* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? [00:00:04] SORRY [1.CALL TO ORDER] ABOUT THAT, MR. CHAIR. MR. SIMMONS? HERE. MR. HAYES? HERE. MR. HARLE? HERE. MR. TITUS? HERE. MR. CUNNINGHAM? HERE. DR. PRO. HERE. AND MR. TUCK HERE. MR. SEVEN MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD JOIN US AS WE STAND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ON THE MOMENT OF SILENCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. CAN I GET A MOTION TO [4.APPROVAL OF AGENDA] APPROVE THE AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND IT. MR. CURLEY. MR. HARVILLE? YES. CUNNINGHAM? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. PIT? YES. MR. HAYES? YES. DR. PROSCI? YES. AND MR. TAR? YES. P PRESENT VOTING. AYE. GOOD. UM, [5.MINUTES] HOW ABOUT MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER NINE. WORKSHOP MEETING? CAN I GET A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. MR. GURLEY? MR. HAYES? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. TUS? YES. MR. HORRIBLE. YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. DR. PROSITE? YES. AND MR. TUCKER ABSTAIN. SEVEN. SIX MEMBERS VOTING. AYE. ONE. MEMBER ABSTAIN. UM, REGULAR MEETING. MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 9TH. ALL RIGHT. TUCKER. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. TITUS? YES. MR. HORRIBLE. YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. DR. PROSITE? YES. AND MR. TUCKER ABSTAIN. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. ONE MEMBER. ABSTAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, IT'S NOW ITEM NUMBER [6.ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN FOR 2023] SIX. UM, ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN FOR 2023. MR. BASSETT, WOULD YOU PROCEED YES. WITH THIS SECTION? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, NOW AS, AS MR, THE CHAIR INDICATED THIS TIME FOR THE ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN FOR OUR, UM, CALENDAR YEAR 2023. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY NOMINATION MR. MR. BASSETT? YES. UM, I WANT TO MOVE. THAT'S THE WHAT I WANT. I WANT TO MOVE THAT MR. PROSITE BE THE CHAIRMAN FOR 2023. I'LL SECOND THAT. THAT WAS MR. TUS. YES. CALL THE RULE. ALRIGHT. IT WAS MOTIONAL MR. CUNNINGHAM. AYE. MR. TUS AYE. MR. SIMMONS? AYE. MR. HARVILLE MR. HAYES? YES. DR. PRO SUSTAIN . MR. MR. TUCKER? YES. SIX MEMBER PRESENT VOTING. AYE. ONE MEMBER ABSTAINED. ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIR, JUST A CLARIFICATION. THAT IS IN, IN, UH, THAT RESOLUTION WAS BASICALLY, HOW CAN I SAY IT? WHAT THEY HAD STATED IN THE, UH, AGENDA. YEAH. CAN WE, UM, I GAVE, I GAVE EACH ONE OF THE MEMBERS A RESOLUTION FOR EACH, UM, OH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, OH, I HAVE TO READ THIS. YEAH. UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT LEGAL IS TELLING US. WE NEED TO, TO READ THAT RESOLUTION. OR I GUESS THEY, I'M SLEEPING THE MAIL EFFECTIVELY AGREE THAT THEY WILL ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION. I, I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. IF EVERYBODY JUST, JUST AGREES THAT IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS RESOLUTION. OKAY. IT IS. HE CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. MR. CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT THAT. WE GOT THIS COMPANY. I GOTCHA. AND THE ONLY THING THAT IS, IS TO BASICALLY THIS PERSON, UM, SERVES UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE IS APPOINTED IF SOMETHING HAPPENS NEXT JUNE, JANUARY, THAT'S ALL IT IS. RIGHT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HE, HE ABSTAINED. THAT'S WHY HE TOOK IT. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. NOW I'LL, UH, TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR NEW CHAIR FOR 2023. DR. PROCE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR VOTE. UM, [7.ELECTION OF VICE CHAIRMAN FOR 2023] IT'S NOW TIME TO, UH, ELECT A VICE CHAIRMAN FOR 2023. UH, DO I HAVE ANY NOMINATION FROM THE COURT? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, YES SIR. USING THE VICE UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, [00:05:01] BE IT RESOLVED ITEM, UH, MR. TUS MOTION HAS BEEN, UH, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? I, I JUST WANTED TO, IF I MAY, MR. BASSETT, IF I MAY, UM, YOU ALL HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, UH, A PROCESSION OF WHO, WHO'S VICE CHAIR. AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN YOU AND MR. SIMMONS HAVE, HAVE BEEN. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT AND NOW GO BACK TO VOTING THAT, THAT, THAT, IT'S FINE. YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT EVERYBODY HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE CHAIRMAN. AND SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IF YOU WERE THE VICE CHAIR, THEN YOU BECAME THE CHAIRMAN, MR. SIMMONS WAS NEXT. AND THEN TO MISS FOLLOWED THAT WAY. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, YOU ALL HAVE THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO CHANGE IT. NO, WE DON'T HAVE CHANGE. MS. CHAIR. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S MY MY FAULT. AS FAR AS THE ROTATION, WHO'S BE, I THOUGHT IT WAS MR. TUS WAS MR. NEXT ON THE ROTATION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY FAULT. MR. HUBER USE HIS CHAIR. I SECOND AFTER HIM. I DUNNO, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT DOESN'T MATTER. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. I I'M RELYING ON THE SECRETARY. WOULD YOU PLEASE DIRECT US? I IF YOU'RE GOING, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH THE WAY YOU DID IT, IT WOULD BE MR. SIMMONS, UH, WOULD BE THE VICE CHAIR. I MEAN, WOULD BE THE VICE CHAIR. YES. WELL THEN I WOULD LIKE TO BE RESOLVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER OF DENWITTY COUNTY, VIRGINIA, THAT, UH, MR. SIMMONS SHALL BE THE APPOINTED AS VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF DENWITTY COUNTY, VIRGINIA FOR YEAR 2023 OR UNTIL HE RESIGNS, IS UNABLE TO HOLD OFFICER UNTIL THE SUCCESSOR ASSUMES THE OFFICE AND I YIELD TO MR. SIMMONS FOR THAT POSITION. UH, MOTION'S BEEN, UH, UH, A NOMINATION BEEN MADE FOR MR. SUM HAS BECOME VICE 2023. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AHEAD. IS THAT I SECOND I WOULD I WITHDRAW THE MOTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. WE'RE FINE. ALRIGHT. SO NOW MR. SUMMER HAS BEEN NOMINATED. THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE ARE GOING TO VOTE IN THE NOMINATION OF MR. SENATOR. MR. HARVILLE. DID I HEAR YOU SECOND THAT? YES. ALRIGHT. MR. CUNNINGHAM. AYE. MR. TUS? AYE. MR. TUCKER AYE. MR. HARVILLE AYE. MR. HAYES? YES, DR. PRO AYE. AND MR. SIMMONS, AYE. SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. CONGRATULATIONS MR. SIMMONS. THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. UH, NEXT ON [8.DETERMINATION OF MEETING SCHEDULE FOR 2023] OUR AGENDA IS THE DETERMINATION OF THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR 2023. UH, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE IN THE PACKET, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, UM, OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS RIGHT. IT'S THE SHEET AFTER THE, UM, VICE CHAIR NOMINATION, UH, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU WOULD YIELD FOR SENIOR PLANNER. HE HAS MULTIPLE MISTAKES THAT THE SECRETARY MADE. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. UH, YEP. GOOD EVENING. UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TYPOS ON THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU HAVE. SO, UH, THE DATES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CORRECTED ON THE, UH, UNDER THE REGULAR MEETING DATES ARE AS FOLLOWS. THE DATE FOR AUGUST, UM, THE YEAR SHOULD BE 2023. AND THEN THE MEETING DATE FOR OCTOBER SHOULD BE OCTOBER THE 11TH INSTEAD OF THE 10TH. MINE SAYS OCTOBER 11TH. MINE SAYS THE 11TH. MINE SAYS THE 11TH. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. ANY OTHER, UH, AND THEN THE LAST STATEMENT ON THE RESOLUTION REGARDING THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING FOR 2024, UH, SHOULD HAVE JANUARY 10TH, 2024 INSTEAD OF 2 0 2. OKAY. MINE IS CORRECTED. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S ALL MR. CHAD. THAT I THINK THE REASONING AND I DON'T, THE ONES THAT WERE ONLINE WAS INCORRECT. OKAY. AND I THINK IT HAD BEEN CORRECTED SINCE, SO, OKAY. YES, Y'ALL MAY HAVE THE CORRECT. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. SOUNDS GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, IT'S, UH, IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THE MEETING SCHEDULE FOR 2023, UH, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE ABOUT ADOPTING THAT SCHEDULE? MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE 2023 SCHEDULE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US. SECOND MOTION BEEN MADE. SECOND ROLL CALL. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. TUS? AYE. MR. VILLE AYE. MR. SIMMONS AYE. DR. ? YES. MEMBER [00:10:01] MR. CHAP, I MAY JUST MAKE A COMMENT. I THINK, UH, CLERK AND SECRETARY KNOWS THIS, BUT, UH, AS A CLERK IN THE VIRGINIA CODE THAT SAYS THAT THIS RESOLUTION THAT Y'ALL JUST APPROVED HAS TO BE ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER SEVEN DAYS AHEAD OF YOUR NEXT MEETING. OKAY. SO AFTER WE DON'T, UH, ADOPT THIS SCHEDULE UNTIL AFTER IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED. NO, YOU'LL FIND OKAY. I'M JUST DIRECTING THE CLERK TO MAKE SURE IT'S ADVERTISED. HE'LL DO THAT. YES. SO WE'LL NEED, WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION. NO. OKAY. YOU'RE FINE. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. OKAY. WELL, WE'VE GOT A MEETING SCHEDULE TAKEN CARE OF THE CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN TAKEN CARE OF. UH, NEXT ON, UH, OUR AGENDA, OUR CITIZEN COMMENTS. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DESIRES TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS ON MATTERS PERTAINING TO ZONING ISSUES THAT ARE NOT LISTED UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING. PORTION OF THIS MEETING IS FOR THAT PURPOSE THAT THE CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD IS PROVIDED. THIS TIME IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, NOR IS AT THE TIME FOR DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OR STAFF CITIZENS WHO DO NOT TAKE PART IN THE COMMENT PERIOD MUST ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING. ONE. ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, MR. CORUM LIE, DISRUPTIVE OR AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHALL BE AVOIDED. AVOID WORDS OR ACTS THAT ARE MADE AT AIM OR AIMED AT EVOKING VIOLENCE OR CAN BE DEEMED AS THE BREACH OF THE PEACE. AND LASTLY, DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSIONER. CHAIRMAN. UH, SO HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP MR. GERALD FOR S COMMENT PERIOD? MR. CHAIR? NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN THEY PLAN TO HAVE, UH, COMMENT FOR THIS IS ENDED. NEXT ON [10. CASE C-23-3. Campground on the property containing approximately 186.00 +/- acres. The A-2 zoning district allows, for a RV campground with a conditional use permit. The property is located on the north side of Nash Rd. (Route 647) approximately 0.43 miles west of the intersection of Nash Rd. (Route 647) and Route 1, Dinwiddie, Virginia and is further defined as Tax Map Parcel No. 44-26A. As indicated in the Dinwiddie allows, for a RV campground with a conditional use permit. The property is located on the north side of Nash Rd. (Route 647) approximately 0.43 miles west of the intersection of Nash Rd. (Route 647) and Route 1, Dinwiddie, Virginia and is further defined as Tax Map Parcel No. 44-26A. As indicated in the Dinwiddie County Comprehensive Land Use Plan, the subject property is located within the Planned Growth Area, which allows for low-density residential and agricultural uses for this general area] OUR AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, CASE NUMBER C DASH 23 DASH THREE, MR. BASS KNIGHT, OUR STAFF. YOU WILL, OKAY. UH, GIVE US INFORMATION ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. UH, MY NAME IS BRAD ROBINSON WITH THE COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I'M GONNA GIVE A, UH, BRIEF, UH, STAFF PRESENTATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UH, THE APPLICATION CASE NUMBER IS C DASH 23 DASH THREE. THE APPLICANT IS, UH, JACK KNAPP, WHO IS PRESENT THIS EVENING. AND THE REQUEST IS TO, UH, ESTABLISH AN RV CAMPGROUND IN THE A TWO ZONING DISTRICT. SO, AGAIN, THE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A CAMPGROUND ON A PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED ON NASH ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 0.43 MILES WEST OF ROUTE ONE. SO IT'S A SHORT DISTANCE FROM ROUTE ONE. THE PROPERTY IS MORE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 44 26 A. UH, THE PARCEL ACCORDING TO CURRENT, UH, COUNTY TAX, UH, TAX RECORDS IS 186.1 ACRES. UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, IS ZONED, CURRENTLY ZONED A TWO, WHICH IS THE AGRICULTURAL GENERAL DISTRICT, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A CAMPGROUND USE, UH, WITH A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE PARCEL AS BEING WITHIN THE PLANNED GROWTH AREA, WHICH RECOMMENDS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY, UH, AND IT IS ON THE SCREEN HIGHLIGHTED. UH, IT'S CURRENTLY AN UNDEVELOPED ENFORCED PARCEL SURROUNDED BY PARCELS THAT VARY IN SIZE. SOME PARCELS ARE LARGE AND UNDEVELOPED. SOME PARCELS ARE SMALLER AND CONTAIN RESIDENTIAL HOMES. UH, THE LARGER PARCELS, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PARCELS INCREASE SIZE AS YOU TRAVEL FURTHER WEST ON NASH ROAD, UH, AS THAT GOES AND TRANSITIONS INTO THE, UH, THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA. THE PROPERTY, UH, AS YOU'LL SEE, UH, ON THE SCREEN, IS LOCATED WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, UH, THE COURT, THE DENWOOD COURTHOUSE AREA, UH, WHICH CONTAINS A MIX OF USES AND A MIX OF ZONING, UH, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING. SO, AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO, UH, DEVELOP A CAMPGROUND ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS IDENTIFIED THE POTENTIAL NAME AS BEING PEACEFUL PINES RV PARK. THE ZONING ORDINANCE DEFINES A CAMPGROUND, UH, AS MEANING OR INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, UM, DIFFERENT [00:15:01] TYPES OF CAMPS OR CAMPGROUNDS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE TOURIST CAMPS, UH, TRAVEL TRAILER CAMPS, RECREATION CAMPS, FAMILY CAMPGROUNDS, CAMPING RESORTS, CAMPING COMMUNITIES, OR ANY OTHER AREA PLACE, PARCEL OR ATTRACTIVE LAND ON WHICH THREE OR MORE CAMPSITES ARE OCCUPIED OR INTENDED FOR OCCUPANCY OR FACILITIES ARE ESTABLISHED OR MAINTAINED WHOLLY OR IN PART FOR THE ACCOMMODATION OF CAMPING UNITS FOR PERIODS OF OVERNIGHT OR LONGER. AND AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, SOME LENGTHY, UM, WORDS THERE, BUT THAT IS, UH, TERMINOLOGY FROM THE ZONE OF ORDINANCE AS TO WHAT A CAMP GRANT IS CONSIDERED. SO, AS YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN ON THE APPLICANT'S CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ESTABLISH THE CAMPGROUND WITH ONE ACCESS FROM NASH ROAD, AND THE CAMPGROUND WOULD CONTAINED 300 FULL HOOKUP SITES, A PAVILION AND OFFICE BUILDING, AND THEN AN AREA FOR RV STORAGE. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT FULL HOOKUP MEANS EACH CAMPSITE WOULD HAVE, UM, BASIC SERVICES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE AN ELECTRIC METER, WELL WATER, SEWER, UH, BROADBAND, WIFI, AND CABLE TV. UH, 12 OF THE 300 SITES WOULD ALLOW FOR 80 A ACCESS. UH, ON THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, YOU SHOULD SEE THAT THE PAVILION AND OFFICE BUILDING ARE LOCATED MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG NASH ROAD, AND THEN THE CAMPSITES WOULD BE LOCATED FURTHER INTO THE SITE WITH AN ACCESS ROAD. THE PAVILION AND OFFICE BUILDING WOULD CONTAIN, UM, AMENITIES FOR THE CAMPERS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE MAIN RENTAL OFFICE, UH, TOILETS, SHOWERS, SINKS, WASHERS, DRYERS, A PET WASHING STATION, AND POTENTIALLY OTHER AREAS FOR, UH, SEATING AND GAMES AND GATHERING BY THE CAMPERS PICNIC TABLES. UM, AND ON THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, YOU SHOULD SEE THAT THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE, UH, WOULD CONTAIN WALKING TRAILS, UH, AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT 10% OF THE PARCEL BE RESERVED FOR RECREATION. SO, CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTY, THERE ARE FOUR CAMPGROUNDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY. UM, TWO OF THOSE CAMPGROUNDS RECEIVED APPROVAL IN THE LATE EIGHTIES. UH, THE TWO OTHER CAMPGROUNDS WERE POSSIBLY IN EXISTENCE BEFORE THAT TIME. UH, THE CURRENT CAMPGROUNDS THAT WE HAVE ARE CAMP TOWN CAMPGROUND, UH, LAKE CHEIN, WHICH USED TO BE CALLED COZY COVE, UH, PICTURE LAKE CAMPGROUND, AND THEN WHIPPER KNOCK MARINA IN CAMPGROUND. SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE OUTLINES, UH, 15 REQUIREMENTS THAT A CAMPGROUND HAS TO MEET. SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THE 15 REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND INDICATE, UH, HOW THE APPLICATION COMPLIES WITH EACH OF THE REQUIREMENTS. SO THE FIRST REQUIREMENT BASICALLY SPEAKS TO A MINIMUM, UM, ACREAGE REQUIREMENT OF, UH, 10 ACRES AND A MINIMUM, UH, OF 50 CAMPSITES. UH, THE APPLICATION HAS MET THIS REQUIREMENT AS THE PROPERTY EXCEEDS, UH, THE 10 ACRES THAT, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, IS 186.1 ACRES, AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING MORE THAN 50 CAMPSITES. UH, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE WILL BE A, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 300 CAMPSITES PROPOSED WITH THE REQUEST. UH, THE SECOND REQUIREMENT SPEAKS TO, UH, BA IT'S BASICALLY A LANDSCAPING OR BUFFER, UM, REQUIREMENT, UH, FROM THE MAIN ROAD. THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, MET THIS REQUIREMENT WITH ON THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AND STAFF NOTES THAT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND CONTAINS VEGETATION, UM, THE, THE EXISTENCE STATE OF THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO USE THAT VEGETATION TO ASSIST WITH SCREENING THE PROJECT AS REQUIRED BY THIS REQUIREMENT. UH, THE THIRD REQUIREMENT OF THE ORDINANCE SPEAKS TO A MINIMUM, UM, OPEN SPACE OR BUFFER REQUIREMENT AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY AND ADJOINING ALL ADJOINING PROPERTY, UH, A MINIMUM OPEN SPACE AREA OF 25 FEET, ALONG WITH A FENCE, HEDGE OR SCREEN. UH, THE APPLICANT IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN IS MEETING THIS REQUIREMENT AND THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO, UM, ACTUALLY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE 25 FEET AND WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE 75 FEET, UM, [00:20:01] ON THE EXTERIOR TO ADJOINING PROPERTIES. UH, THE FOURTH REQUIREMENT SPEAKS TO, UM, VDOT INGRESS AND EGRESS, UH, HAVING TO COMPLY WITH THOSE REGULATIONS. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, PRELIMINARILY TALKED WITH VDOT AND, UH, IS MEETING THIS REQUIREMENT. UH, ALSO RECEIVES COMMENTS, UM, PRELIMINARY COMMENTS AT THE LDC, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING. UH, VDOT HAS INDICATED THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THE CAMPGROUND WOULD NEED TO BE A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE. UH, THE FIFTH REQUIREMENT OF THE ORDINANCE FOR CAMPGROUNDS SPEAKS TO, UH, THAT STREETS WITHIN THE CAMPGROUND HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF, UH, BASICALLY OF A MATERIAL THAT WOULD ALLOW VEHICULAR MOVEMENT WITHIN THE CAMPGROUND. UH, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO, UM, DEVELOP A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WITH A PAVEMENT UP TO WHERE THE PAVILION AND OFFICE BUILDING WOULD BE LOCATED, AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE WOULD BE GRAVEL. UM, THOSE SERVICES WOULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. UH, THE SIXTH REQUIREMENT OF THE ORDINANCE REGARDING THE, THE MINIMUM OF 10% OF THE PROPERTY BEING DEVOTED TO RECREATIONAL USE, UH, MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, AND AGAIN, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MET THAT REQUIREMENT. UH, 10% OF THE ACREAGE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WOULD EQUATE TO, UH, 18 ACRES AND IT APPEARS, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE MORE ACREAGE, UM, THAN THAT, UH, FOR RECREATION. UH, NUMBER SEVEN, UH, SPEAKS TO THE CAMPGROUND OWNER OR OPERATOR HAVING TO ESTABLISH A SET OF RULES AND REGULATIONS. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MET THAT REQUIREMENT AND THOSE, UH, THE PROPOSED PARK POLICIES AND REGULATIONS WAS INCLUDED WITH THIS APPLICATION AND WAS, UM, AND IS AVAILABLE AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE REPORT. UH, THE EIGHTH REQUIREMENT IS BASICALLY SPEAKING TO, UH, THE REQUIREMENT OF A BOND OR A CASH ESCROW, UM, TO ENSURE THAT ALL IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE COMPLETED. UM, AND IN LIEU OF THAT, THE APPLICANT CAN HAVE ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMPLETED AT THE TIME. UM, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMENCES, UH, SO THE APPLICANT DOES INTEND TO, UM, COMPLETE ALL CONSTRUCTION AT ONE TIME AND IT'S NOT INTENDING TO PHASE THIS PROJECT. SO IT'S NOT THE APPLICANT'S INTENT AT THIS TIME TO, UM, TO HAVE TO UTILIZE ANY BOND. UH, NUMBER NINE, UM, IT'S BASICALLY THAT REQUIREMENT OF SPEAKING TO HAVING TO FOLLOW THE, UH, CHAPTER 18, UM, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IN THE COUNTY CODE. UH, THAT REQUIREMENT WILL BE REVIEWED MORE IN DEPTH AT THE TIME OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, AND IT IS THE APPLICANT'S INTENT TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT. UH, NUMBER 10 SPEAKS TO AN EXISTING CAMPGROUND, UM, NOT BEING ABLE TO BE ENLARGED OR EXTENDED UNLESS IT CONFORMS TO ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. THIS REQUIREMENT ISN'T APPLICABLE SINCE THIS, UH, THIS IS NOT AN EXISTING CAMPGROUND, THIS IS A NEW CAMPGROUND. NUMBER 11 SPEAKS TO CAMPING UNITS NOT BEING ALLOWED TO BE PLACED ANY CAMPGROUND UNTIL ALL OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE MET. UH, AGAIN, AS I JUST MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS INTENDING TO COMPLETE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT AT THE TIME OF OPENING AND COMMENCING OPERATION, UH, NUMBER 12, UH, SPEAKS TO CAMPING UNITS ONLY BEING ABLE TO BE ACCESSED FROM AN INTERNAL STREET. SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S BASICALLY SAYING THAT, UH, NO CAMPING UNIT CAN BE ACCESSED FROM THE MAIN ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE NASH ROAD. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MET THIS REQUIREMENT, UM, AND AS YOU COULD SEE FROM THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, THERE WILL BE AN INTERNAL ROAD THROUGHOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE CAMPSITES. UH, NUMBER 13 SPEAKS TO RE REQUIREMENT WITH STATE BUILDING CODE. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT, AND THAT WILL BE REVIEWED WHEN, UH, THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IS MADE TO THE BUILDING. OFFICIAL, UH, NUMBER 14, UM, SPEAKS TO, UM, STANDARDS FOR ANY PERMANENT CONSTRUCTION THAT MAY BE DONE ON THE CAMP SITES. THIS REQUIREMENT, UM, BASICALLY IS NOT APPLICABLE AS THE, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT INTEND TO ALLOW THE, UM, THE CAMPERS TO DO ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THEIR CAMPSITES. SO THIS, THIS REQUIREMENT IS NOT APPLICABLE. AND LASTLY, UM, THE 15 NUMBER 15 SPEAKS TO, UM, ANY NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES. THIS [00:25:01] REQUIREMENT ISN'T APPLICABLE 'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT EXISTING. SO THAT'S JUST BRIEFLY SUMMARIZED THE 15, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY'S CODE. AND THIS DOES NOT IN INCLUDE ANY, UH, STATE, UH, REGULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS TO COMPLY WITH AS WELL. THERE ARE OTHER, UM, AGENCIES THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. SO, UH, I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS BEING WITHIN THE PLAN GROWTH AREA, WHICH IS, UH, DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS COMPLIMENTARY SERVICE AND CONVENIENCE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES AND REGIONAL COMMERCIAL CENTERS. AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, A PORTION, A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, ALSO LIES WITHIN THE ROUTE ONE WATER AND SEWER OVERLAY. UM, THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT, UH, STATES THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN THIS OVERLAY, SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS MUST BE EXTENDED BY THE DEVELOPER TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT IS INTENDING TO, UH, UTILIZE WELL IN SEPTIC SYSTEMS ON THE PROPERTY. SO THEREFORE, UM, THE OVERLAY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THIS REQUEST. TO SUMMARIZE, UH, OTHER IMPACTS OF THIS PROPOSAL TO THE COUNTY'S, UH, UTILITIES, SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES, UM, NO IMPACT ON PUBLIC UTILITIES, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO UTILIZE ON ONSITE WELL IN SEPTIC SYSTEMS, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO RECEIVE APPROVAL, UM, FROM THE STATE. THE PROJECT IS NOT INTENDED FOR, UH, PERMANENT RESIDENCE. SO THE THERE NO IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS, UH, EXPECTED OR PROPOSED. UM, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION THAT MAY BE NEEDED WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, THE LENGTH OF STAYS OR LONG TERM CAMPERS. AND, UM, AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN SOME OF THE APPLICANT'S MATERIAL, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO GATE, UH, THE ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY AFTER A CERTAIN, UM, POINT. UM, AND SO THAT, UH, WOULD NEED TO BE COORDINATED. THE GATE AND ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY BY PUBLIC SAFETY WILL NEED TO BE COORDINATED. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT APPLICANT HAS HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH PUBLIC SAFETY ABOUT. AND, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WITH THEM ON HOW THAT'LL BE WORKED OUT. UM, FOR TRANSPORTATION, AGAIN, AS, AS WE'VE MENTIONED, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT AND THIS CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN IS PROPOSING ONLY ONE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY. AND PRELIMINARY COMMENTS HAVE INDICATED THAT THAT ENTRANCE WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE. UH, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST A SHORT DISTANCE FROM ROUTE ONE, IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC TO THE SITE IS GONNA BE, UM, ACCESSING THE SITE FROM ROUTE ONE ON NASH ROAD. SO TO SUMMARIZE, UM, SECTION 22 DASH 22 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH, UM, OUTLINES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS STATES THAT ANY PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER, WHICH ALLOW A USE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHALL NOT PROHIBIT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM DENYING AN APPLICATION FOR A PARTICULAR PERMIT UPON FINDING AFTER PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE ISSUANCE OF SUCH PERMIT WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTENT, PURPOSE, AND DESIGN OF THIS CHAPTER AND OR SECTION 22 DASH TWO OF THE COUNTY CODE. SO SECTION 22 DASH TWO GOES ON TO SAY THAT, UH, THE PURPOSE OF PROMOTING HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC IN ACCOMPLISHING THE OBJECTIONS OF THE VIRGINIA CODE 15.1 DASH 4 27, THE CHAPTER HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO PROVIDE FOR ADEQUATE LIGHT AIR, CONVENIENCE OF ACCESS AND SAFETY. UH, REDUCE OR PREVENT CONGESTION IN THE PUBLIC STREETS, FACILITATE THE CREATION OF A CONVENIENT AND ATTRACTIVE AND HARMONIOUS COMMUNITY, UH, EXPEDITE PROVISION OF ADEQUATE POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION, DISASTER EVACUATION, CIVIL DEFENSE, TRANSPORTATION, WATER, SEWAGE SCHOOLS, PARKS, FOREST PLAYGROUNDS, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, UH, TO PROTECT AGAINST DESTRUCTION OF OR ENCOURAGEMENT UPON HISTORIC AREAS. AND TO PROTECT AGAINST ONE OR MORE OF SOME OF THE FOLLOWING, SUCH AS OVERCROWDING OF LAND, UNDUE [00:30:01] DENSITY, OBSTRUCTION OF LIGHT AND AIR, DANGER IN CONGESTION, TRAVEL, LOSS OF LIFE, HEALTH OR PROPERTY FROM FIRE, FLOOD, PANIC, OR OTHER DANGERS. SO AGAIN, ALL OF THE LANGUAGE THAT I JUST READ IS FROM THE COUNTY CODE, AND THAT'S JUST OUTLINING THE, UH, THE INTENT OF, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. SO, PLANNING STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS REQUEST AND HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UH, ONLY SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO AS OF WRITE DOWN, STAFF HAS OUTLINED, UH, I BELIEVE SEVEN, EIGHT CONDITIONS, MINIMUM CONDITIONS, UH, CURRENTLY, THOSE CONDITIONS, UM, NUMBER ONE, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE BRIEFLY. SO THE FIRST CONDITION IS BASICALLY, UH, LIMITING THE NUMBER OF CAMPSITES ON THE PROPERTY TO 300 AS WAS SHOWN ON THE, UH, SITE PLAN AND PRESENTED IN THE APPLICATION. IT'S ALSO LIMITING THAT THE ACCESS TO THE CAMPGROUND WOULD ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESS FROM NASHVILLE. UH, THE SECOND CONDITION SPEAKS TO COMPLIANCE WITH, UM, THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS. UH, NUMBER THREE TALKS ABOUT, UH, BEING SUBJECT TO ALL PROVISIONS OF STATE LAW. UH, NUMBER FOUR, UH, SPEAKS TO THE CAMPGROUND ONLY BEING OCCUPIED BY PERSONS IN CAMPING UNITS AS DEFINED IN THE STATE CODE. UH, THE FIFTH CONDITION SPEAKS TO THE, THE WATER AND SEWAGE FACILITIES HAVING TO COMPLY WITH THE BOARD OF HEALTH STATE WATER CONTROL BOARD. THE SIXTH CONDITION SPEAKS TO THE CAMPGROUND OPERATOR NEEDING TO MAINTAIN A REGISTER OF, UM, EVERYONE IN THE CAMPGROUND AND BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT, UH, WHEN NEEDED UPON REQUEST BY LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. UH, THE SEVEN CONDITIONS SPEAKS TO, UM, UH, QUIET HOURS THAT THE REF APPLICANT HAS REFERENCED. THE MATERIAL, UH, PROPOSE INQUIRED HOURS OF 10:00 PM TO 8:00 AM THAT IS SLIGHTLY MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE COUNTY'S, UM, NOISE ORDINANCE. SO THIS IS WHY THIS IS A CONDITION. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING, IF ANY, UH, NEEDING TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND NOT EXCEEDING A CERTAIN FOOT CAN OR AT THE PROPERTY LINE. SO SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS, UM, NUMBERS TWO THROUGH SIX, UH, WERE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACED ON SOME OF THE EXISTING CAMPGROUNDS IN THE COUNTY. UH, SO THIS IS WHY THESE CONDITIONS ARE INCLUDED. AND AS I CONCLUDE THIS SECTION, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT THESE ARE JUST RECOMMENDED STAFF CONDITIONS. UM, YOU AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, AMEND THESE CONDITIONS AS NEEDED AND ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT STAFF HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED. UM, SO WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, I'LL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION AND TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS SHE MIGHT HAVE. UH, AND MR. KNAPP, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AS WELL. OKAY. UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR OUR PRESENTER? I DO HAVE ONE SIR. UH, YES. ON, UH, PAGE FOUR OF YOUR PRESENTATION, THE PARAGRAPH SECOND PARAGRAPH FROM THE BOTTOM BEGINS WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES DESIGNATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. UM, MIDWAY THROUGH THIS PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS, A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE ROUTE ONE WATER SEWER OVERLAY, WHICH EXTENDS A HALF MILE OUT EAST AND WEST FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROUTE ONE CORRIDOR FROM THE SOUTHERN URBAN AREA BOUNDARY DOWN TO THE DEN COURTHOUSE COMMUNITY AREA. ACCORDING TO THE PLAN, WHEN DEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN THIS WATER, SEWER SEWER OVERLAY, SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS MUST BE EXTENDED BY THE DEVELOPER TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN YOU SAY THE APPLICA APPLICATION PROPOSES TO USE WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEM, THEREFORE IS NO IMPACT TO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT ON THIS REQUEST. MY PROBLEM IS, WITH THIS TERM, MUST THAT, THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, THEN WITHIN THE CERTAIN AREA, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS MUST [00:35:01] BE EXTENDED BY THE DEVELOPER TO THE, TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. UM, MY QUESTION OR MY CONCERN IS, IF YOU'RE GONNA USE THE TERM MUST BE DONE, THAT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY OTHER OPTION. AND WHAT I'M READING THIS TO SAY IS THAT IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS WITHIN THIS OVERLAY AREA, THEN THEY HAVE TO TIE INTO THAT SYSTEM. I, IF I'M WRONG, LET ME KNOW. 'CAUSE THAT'S, THIS IS WHERE I'M HUNG UP BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING MUST BE DONE, IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. AND RIGHT HERE IS WHAT I'M SEEING IS AN OPTION. THEY'VE TAKEN THE OTHER OPTION TO USE WELL IN SEPTIC AS OPPOSED TO THE WATER OVERLAY, WHAT THE WATER OVERLAY, UH, SAYS IT SHOULD USE. AND SO, WHICH IS IT? DO WE, DO WE FOLLOW THE CODE OR DO WE HAVE THE OPTION TO SWITCH UP? MR. TUCKER? I CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH MR. ROBINSON BEING RELATIVELY NEW TO THE COUNTY. UM, I'VE DEALT WITH THIS, UH, WITH DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, UH, AS PART OF THE, UM, LAND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. UM, THE WAY WE'VE HANDLED THAT, OF COURSE, THE COMP PLAN IS A GUIDANCE DOCUMENT, AND THAT IS STRONG LANGUAGE WITHIN THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, SO THE WAY WE'VE HANDLED THAT IS THE, UM, AS BRAD ALSO CITED AND HIS LATER IN HIS REPORT, UH, THE DEWINE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, UM, IS OUR, UM, PUBLIC SERVICE PROVIDER FOR WATER AND SEWER. WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SUBMIT A LETTER, UM, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT SAYING THAT, UM, IT'S INFEASIBLE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT AND WATER AND SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE, UM, TO THIS PROPERTY, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT. UH, AND THERE'S ALSO OTHER LANGUAGE, UM, WITHIN THE, UM, WITHIN THE COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES RELATED TO WATER AND SEWER. UM, THAT INDICATES THAT IF, IF PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE, THAT, UM, YOU CAN PROVIDE A CENTRALIZED, UM, SYSTEM FOR WATER AND SEWER FOR A PROJECT. UM, SO OUR BELIEF IS THAT A CAMPGROUND WOULD FALL UNDER THAT AND THEY, THAT OWNER AND, UM, RELATED TO OUR APPLICATION AS WELL AS THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE, UM, CENTRALIZED WASTEWATER AND, UM, POTABLE WATER, PUBLIC WATER, UM, FOR THE CAMP FOR EACH CAMPSITE. SO THAT, THAT'S HOW WE HANDLE THAT PROVISION WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS, UM, RELATED TO MEETING THE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTY CODE RELATED TO PUBLIC WATER AND PUBLIC SEWER. I HOPE, I HOPE THAT'S ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. CAN I ANSWER, CAN I REPHRASE THAT A LITTLE BIT? MM-HMM . IF THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY SOMEWHERE THAT IS CURRENTLY SERVED BY WATER AND SEWER, BUT SUBSEQUENTLY THE WATER AUTHORITY, UM, PROVIDES SERVICE AS DESCRIBED IN THIS CASE HALF A MILE OR SO. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO HOOK UP TO THE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER. UH, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT, BUT, UM, IF IT'S INFEASIBLE FROM A ENGINEERING AND, UM, THEY DO LOOK AT COST AS WELL. UM, AND HE'S COME TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND THE, THE WATER AUTHORITY INDICATED THAT, UM, THEY CANNOT PROVIDE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER. WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC WATER. YEAH, I KNOW THE CLOSEST PUBLIC WATER IS LAKE JORDAN FROM A GEOGRAPHIC STAND. THERE IS PUBLIC SEWER IN THE COURTHOUSE AREA, BUT IT, IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THIS, THIS PROPERTY. UM, SO THAT'S WHY I SAY WE, WE GET A LETTER FROM THE WATER AUTHORITY, UM, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, BUT THE ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO, IF THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF CENTRALIZED, UM, WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM FOR THE PROJECT. WELL, I GUESS I'M MORE CURIOUS THAN ANYTHING ELSE, BUT IF YOU HAVE A CENTRALIZED SEWER SYSTEM, WHAT'S THE ENGINEERING IN? WHY IS IT INCAPABLE OF HOOKING UP TO A A ANOTHER SYSTEM? YOU JUST TAKE A PIPE INSTEAD OF GOING HERE, YOU JUST GO THERE. I DON'T, I DON'T FOLLOW [00:40:01] THAT. UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, UM, GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE THAT COURTHOUSE SEWER IS FROM THIS PROPERTY, UM, NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN I READ HERE, AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE MR. TUR IS GOING TO, WHEN I READ HERE, WHEN IT'S SUBSEQUENTLY AVAILABLE, WHICH WE'RE SAYING THIS AREA IS GONNA BE POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? POSSIBLY. YEAH, POSSIBLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM HAVING TO HOOK UP TO IT? UM, NOTHING THAT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE WATER AUTHORITY. AND THEY DO HAVE, UM, LANGUAGE IN, IN THEIR REGULATIONS RELATED TO THAT. UM, BUT THE QUESTION IS, WOULD THEY MUST HOOK UP TO IT? I'M JUST CURIOUS. YEAH. IF IT'S WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF, OF IT BEING AVAILABLE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO THAT THAT'S FINE. I, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE HAVE A PROPOSED PROJECT UP OFF OF, UM, OH GOSH, UP, UP NEAR THE STATE POLICE HEADQUARTERS ON ROUTE ONE AND I 85. AND WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S ADJACENT TO THAT PROPERTY, UM, CPEC, UH, TRUCK SHOP. UM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH CURRENTLY SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THEM TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY. AND THE WATER AUTHORITY IS REQUIRING THEM TO, UM, HOOK TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER FOR THAT PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S WITHIN, UM, THEIR REQUIRED DISTANCE, UM, TO THAT. AND THEY'RE ALSO HAVING TO EXTEND IT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, SO THAT THE STATE POLICE HEADQUARTERS WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO, UM, HOOK ONTO THAT SYSTEM. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN REQUIRED. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S AVAILABLE NOW, CORRECT? YES. AND SO THE WAY I WAS READING THIS, I THINK LIKE YOU WERE, THAT IF IT EVER COMES TO THIS SITE, THEN THEY WOULD BE IN THE SAME ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES. HERE WITH THAT SITE, YOU THEN THEREFORE HAVE TO HOOK UP TO IT. YES. OKAY. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO, SO I I, I, I, OKAY. I THINK I'M CLEAR. IF THE FACILITIES EVER GET TO THAT AREA, THEN THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HOOK UP TO IT. YES. THEY WOULD HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT. YEAH. WITH THE, SO UNTIL WATER AUTHORITY. OKAY. YES, I GOT YOU. NOW I'M STRAIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? YEAH. YES, SIR. YEAH, I GOT A COUPLE, UH, I, I WAS LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF THESE, UH, THINGS IN THE ORDINANCE, LIKE NUMBER 14, I GOT A LOT OF, LOT OF THINGS THE APPLICANT DOES NOT INTEND TO ALLOW PERMANENT CONSTRUCTION BY THE CAMERAS. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE LEFT REALLY, UH, WIDE OPEN. THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE MADE KNOWN THAT THEY EITHER E IS OR ISN'T, OR SHE IS OR ISN'T. AND IT SHOULD BE PUT IN HERE TO WHERE HE COULD BE HELD TO NOT DOING IT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO. ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN HERE THAT SAID CAN'T BE DOING WELL, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T INTEND TO DOING CERTAIN THINGS, BUT SOMEHOW SOMETIMES YOU ASK MY WIFE, I DO IT , SO I GET IN TROUBLE. SO HOW DO YOU KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING? LIKE BUILDINGS NUMBER 14, THAT'S PRETTY BIG SIZE THINGS THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THE OTHER THING IS, I MEAN, IT'S 55 MILE PER HOUR DOWN THROUGH THAT ROAD. TRAFFIC IS ALREADY, I MEAN, I LIVE ON THE ROAD. THAT'S THE REASON I'M SPEAKING ABOUT IT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE AQUIFER SYSTEM. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HOOK UP TO A WELL SYSTEM. I GOT WELLS DOWN THE ROAD, WE GOT 10 FOLKS THAT'S GOT WELLS THERE. I SAID, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT. WHEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT 300 FULL HOOKUP UNITS AT, IF THEY HAVE FULL, I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD BUILD OUT FOR NOTHING, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS. SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SAFETY, TRAFFIC SPEED, AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS TURNING INTO A CAMPGROUND THAT HAS PERMANENT BUILDINGS. I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OF THOSE IN THE COUNTY NOW. THAT'S JUST MEANT MY THOUGHT PROCESS. I'VE BEEN THROUGH 'EM AND I'VE LOOKED AT 'EM. ALRIGHT, YOU CAN'T POLICE 'EM. AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. I'M JUST, I'M NOT, NOT FEELING IT RIGHT NOW. SAM, I HAD A QUESTION TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON THAT. I WAS FASCINATED BY THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE LONGER THAN BACK BEFORE THE EIGHTIES, BUT I WAS FASCINATED THAT THE FOUR CAMPGROUNDS [00:45:01] WE HAVE WERE ALL EITHER IN THE EIGHTIES OR MAYBE BEFORE THAT. AND, UM, IT WAS ONE OF 'EM I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. SO THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING TOO. BUT, UM, I'M CURIOUS, OF THE FOUR, WE HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE THAT MR. CUNNINGHAM BROUGHT UP. I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW MANY OF THOSE FOUR LOCATIONS HAVE PERMANENT RESIDENCE? AND THEN SECONDLY, OF THOSE FOUR LOCATIONS, WHAT ARE THEIR SIZES? LIKE THIS ONE'S PROPOSED TO BE 300. ARE THOSE 4, 330? WHAT I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT AND THEN, UM, KIND OF RELATED, UM, TO THAT AS WELL. AND I, I, FORGIVE ME, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT WE'VE HAD CASES IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO WITH A CERTAIN TYPE OF, OF, UM, OF, UH, GOSH, I WISH I COULD THINK OF THE NAME OF IT, WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND DO CERTAIN THINGS LIKE, UH, UH, IT HAD, THEY COULD ONLY BE THERE FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. WHAT AM I THINKING OF TALKING ABOUT JOBS AND WORK? NO, NOW SAYING SOMEWHERE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? IT WAS, IT'S A LENGTH OF STAY YOU'RE TALKING OR YOU TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. AND I, I, IT WAS LIKE, I, I FORGET HOW MUCH IT WAS, BUT MY QUESTION WAS WHY WOULDN'T THIS BE LOOKED AT THE SAME WAY? AND AGAIN, THAT KIND OF LED ME BACK TO, WELL, WHAT IS THE OTHER FOUR DOING? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER FOUR DOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT. SO WHAT, WHAT WERE WE TALKING ABOUT? MARK, BRAD? WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? WHAT AM I THINKING? IT'S NOT B AND B. IT WAS, UH, WAS ITOR TOURISM FARM STAYS. FARM STAYS, I'M SORRY. FARM, YES. THANK YOU. I COULD NOT THINK OF IT. SO WITH THE FARM STAY, DIDN'T WE SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE A MAXIMUM TIME LIMIT? AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRACTICALITY THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY WOULD BE THERE FOR THE MAX X NUMBER OF DAYS, THEY'D HAVE TO FLIP IT AROUND AND COME BACK AND START THE CLOCK AGAIN, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT I WONDERED WHY THIS WASN'T CONSIDERED THE SAME WAY, AND I WONDERED WHAT THE, LIKE I SAID, I WONDERED WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE OTHER FOUR ARE IN TERMS OF PERMANENT STAYS AND NUMBER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY TOTAL CAMPGROUND CAMPSITES WE HAVE IN DENWITTY COUNTY AS, AS WE SIT TODAY, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY RATE ON THOSE CAMPGROUNDS? UH, I CAN TELL YOU WHIP ORNOT, COZY COVE ARE BASICALLY 70% PERMANENT CAMPSITES WITH COVERED TRAILERS AND DECKS AND STUFF ON THEM. UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT CAMP TOWN. I'VE NEVER BEEN IN CAMP TOWN BEFORE. UH, I, I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHAT'S DRIVING 300 CAMPSITES? I DIDN'T KNOW DEN WITTY WAS THAT POPULAR FOR CAMPING, BUT APPARENTLY WE ON THE MAP, . WELL, THAT WAS, MY QUESTIONS ARE DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH YOURS TOO. SO ANYONE ELSE? I'VE GOT A COUPLE THAT I'D LIKE TO THROW IN, BUT WHEN'S MY TURN? NOW, UH, AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU, YOU JUST SAID, UH, ON OVERVIEW OF IMPACTS, AS THE PROJECT IS NOT INTENDED FOR PERMANENT OCCUPANCY, AND I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE WORD INTENDED. UH, AGAIN, AND I THINK THE COUNTY HAS AN ORDINANCE OR A POLICY ABOUT HOW MANY CAN, HOW MANY DAYS SOMEONE CAN STAY IN A TEMPORARY CAMPGROUND BECAUSE, SO YOU DO, CAN YOU SAY, DO, DOES COUNTY SAY YOU CAN STAY A MAXIMUM OF 30 DAYS? IS THAT AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CAN, UH, THE COUNTY RESTRICT IT? CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT, UH, ADDRESSES THAT WITH A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF DAYS. OKAY. FOR CAMPGROUNDS, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING WE WOULD PUT IN THE CONDITIONS. SUPPOSE A FARM PUT IN A MOBILE HOME OR TRAILER AND UH, UH, TEMPORARILY AND THEN THEY STAY THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. DON'T WE HAVE A, A RULE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T DO THAT? UM, THE RULE WE USE INTERNALLY, THE, OUR POLICY IS 30, 30 DAYS. MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY I GOT THAT. NOW, UH, FOR FARMERS, WE DO HAVE PROVISIONS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ACRES OF THE FARM. YOU CAN HAVE, UM, WORKER HOUSING, UM, WHICH CAN BE MANUFACTURED HOMES, BUT THAT'S ADDRESSED DIRECTLY IN THE ORDINANCE. UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH RESTRICTED BY HEALTH CONDITIONS, SEPTIC TANK, WELL, WATER, YES. UH, THAT KIND OF THING. YES. WELL GO BACK TO AND THE NUMBER OF ACRES OF THE EXISTING FARM. BUT, UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING DIRECTLY RELATED TO CAMPGROUNDS, UM, LIKE THE STAY. SO AS, AS MR. ROBINSON [00:50:01] INDICATED, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CONDITION THAT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE TO ADD AS PART OF, UM, THE CONDITIONS FOR, FOR THE CAMPGROUND. WELL, I, I I'M SURE THE, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE DUE DILIGENCE AND HAS REALLY DONE A LOT OF SEARCHING. IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS, AND IT ALL, IT LOOKS GREAT, EXCEPT THAT I, I DON'T LIKE THE WORD INTENDED. IT EITHER IS OR ISN'T. UH, I DON'T LIKE, UH, IT'S EITHER PERMANENT, IT'S EITHER LIMITED ON TIME OR PERMANENT. IT'S INTENDED FOR RECREATION AND TRAVEL AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT WHAT IF, UH, A CONSTRUCTION CREW WANTS TO COME IN AND SET UP A HALF DOZEN, UH, CAMP SITES WHILE THEY WORK ON A, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTH PROJECT? UH, IS, IS THAT GONNA BE OKAY? UM, IT'S A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT BETWEEN MY VISION OF A CAMPSITE THAT GIVES PEOPLE A, A PLACE TO GO AND REST AND RELAX AND ENJOY THE NATURE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND A AND A CHEAP PLACE TO STAY, UH, THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT. UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW IS SECURITY GOING TO BE ADDRESSED? UM, AND MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T READ IT RIGHT. UM, IF YOU GOT 300 CAMPSITES, YOU GOT POTENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, 5, 6, 700 PEOPLE. IS THERE ANY KIND OF SECURITY, UH, INVOLVED IN, IN POLICING THAT IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IT LOOKED LIKE NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED ANYWAY? UM, BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THAN THE NOISE THING YOU HAD QUESTION ABOUT THAT YOU TALK ABOUT FROM 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TO EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. THAT'S FINE TOO. BUT, UM, AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY'S LIKE THAT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, PLAYING THE, YOUR MUSIC OR GOT A PARTY GOING ON, UM, HOW IS THAT ADDRESSED? UM, IT'S NOT GONNA DO THE NEIGHBORS IN THE SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO IT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO IT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE VERY HAPPY. SO HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THAT PIECE OF TRANQUILITY, UH, WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE TOGETHER, THAT CLOSE TOGETHER? I BELIEVE THE PARK POLICIES, UM, SPEAK TO SOME OF THAT, BUT THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME MORE DETAIL AND WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. ANY OTHER? YES, SIR. MR. OH, GO AHEAD, SIR. NO, NO. BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PERMANENCY, THAT'S WHY, AND I COULDN'T THINK OF IT, BUT FARM STAY. SO WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR FARM STAY? SHOULD WE WANT TO PUT A CONDITION ON THIS ONE THAT'S, UM, EQUIVALENT TO THAT? WHAT WOULD IT BE? YEAH, THE POLICY WE'VE USED INTERNALLY, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT THE LENGTH OF STAY SPECIFICALLY, BUT WE'VE USED 30 DAYS WOULD BE CONSIDERED. OKAY. UM, SHORT TERM TO BE CONSISTENT. YEP. AND, AND THEN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE USED AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE EXPRESSED TO OTHER, UM, INDIVIDUALS WE'VE MET WITH THAT WANTED TO DO FARM STAY OR A SHORT TERM STAY FACILITY. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD MR. CHAIRMAN WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO YOUR INTERNAL REVIEW. I, I'M JUST, I WANT TO CLARIFY. THE PUBLIC SAFETY HAD NO PROBLEM WITH ONE ENTRANCE, GIVEN HOW MANY AT BUILD OUT, THAT'S A LOT OF HOMES THAT COULD BE AFFECTED IN A FIRE AT HOMES, RV, CAMPERS, IT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD BE AFFECTED, UM, IN A FIRE AND ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESS. SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT. THIS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY WERE, THIS WENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. I MEAN, I, I WOULD THINK IF WE HAD A SUBDIVISION WITH HALF THAT MANY, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE CLAMORING FOR A SECOND ENTRANCE, JUST LIKE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX? 150? IT'D BE 300, 3 50 SOMETHING. SOME APARTMENTS. YEAH. SO FROM 400, THEY WANTED TO HAVE A SECOND ENTRANCE THERE. SO THAT SEEMS INCONSISTENT TO ME. RIGHT. YEAH. I GOT QUESTION FOR MR. BASSETT. UH, MR. BASSETT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A, LIKE, LIKE HUDDY HAD SAID, WE GOT A COUPLE OF THOSE CAMPGROUNDS HERE ALREADY. UH, WHO POLICES THE STAYS THERE THAT THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON? DO WE HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT? WE CAN'T REALLY ENFORCE IT, CAN WE, UM, ON THOSE EXISTING CAMPGROUNDS MM-HMM . THERE ARE NO, UH, SPECIFIC ZONING CONDITIONS. PERMANENT HOUSING IS RELATED TO THOSE. YOU, YOU'RE NOT, UM, PERMANENTLY LIVING THERE, BUT THEY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN THERE. I, I'VE WORKED WITH 'EM IN THE PAST AND, UM, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE, HAS KIND OF INDICATED IN THE, UM, CONDITIONS AND, UH, ARE THE, THE STATE HEALTH OFFICIAL CAN LOOK AT THE REGISTER AND THE SHERIFF CAN LOOK AT THE REGISTER. UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY RIGHT. TO DO THAT. EXACTLY. SO THAT BOARD REALLY, [00:55:01] WE, UM, THE STATE, YOU KNOW, HAS CAMPGROUND REGULATIONS, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH EITHER THE STATE OR THE SHERIFF YEAH. IF YOU WERE GOING ENFORCE ON THAT ISSUE. YES. SO THE, THE OTHER THING IS, I, I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING HOW MANY MAYBE CALLS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT OR EMS OR ANY OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED TO, THE CAMPGROUNDS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE ALREADY HERE. THAT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY MUCH, I'LL CALL IT, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, FULL BUILD OUT ALMOST MM-HMM . SO DO YOU KNOW ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS? I I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS THIS EVENING. WE CAN GET THOSE FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE. ALRIGHT. AND I'M, AGAIN, I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU'RE, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OUR, OUR FIRE AND EMS PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IT. SO LIKE, LIKE MR. ROBINSON, I, WHEN THEY CAME TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE TO MEET WITH EVERYONE, THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM FIRE AND EMS. OKAY. UM, AS A CONCERN, NUMBER OF CALLS OR THAT TYPE OF THING. UM, BEING OVERBURDENED WITH THAT. I GOTCHA. IT, IT, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME ANYWAY, THAT WAS NOT, NOT STATED AS, AS A CONCERN. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. UM, SOMEBODY WOULD, ONE OF YOU WAS STATING THE NAMES OF THE CAMPGROUNDS ALREADY AND THEN WITH IT, UM, IS THAT INCLUDED, THE ONE THAT SAID THE, THE DRAKE STRIP? THE CAMPGROUND, THAT'S ONE PICTURE HEIGHT. WE, WE DID NOT, WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT ONE, BUT THAT, UM, CAMPING IS ALLOWED AS PART OF THE CUP THAT WAS AGREED TO FOR THE MOTOR SPORTS PARK. SO CAMPING IS ALLOWED THERE. SO THERE'S A SEPARATE ONE FROM LAKE, FROM PICTURE LAKE? YES. IT'S SEPARATE. THERE IS CAMPING AND THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF CAMP SITES RELATED TO THE VIRGINIA MOTOR SPORTS PARK. BUT THAT HAS, SINCE I'VE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY, THAT'S NEVER COME UP. IT'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY ISSUES THAT, BUT THIS PICTURE LAKE JUST ADDED SITES, RIGHT? YES, THEY DID. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY SITES THEY, THAT THEY ADDED? MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. DID THEY DOUBLE? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DOUBLED. WELL, MORE CORRECTLY THEY ADDED AND CAME FOR FORGIVENESS, RIGHT? ? NO, NO. THEY WENT THROUGH, THEY WENT THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS, MISUNDERSTOOD. EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED. NO, UM, BUT I, I, WE CAN GET YOU THAT NUMBER, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO MISSTATE THE NUMBER. IF, IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR MR. ROBINSON, PERHAPS IT'S TIME TO, UH, ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND PRESENT ANY INFORMATION THAT HE THINKS IS RELEVANT. UH, AND THEN AFTER THAT PRESENTATION HAS BEEN MADE, WE WILL, UH, OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE PRO OR CON, IT'S THEIR TIME TO DO THAT. AND THEN AGAIN, AFTER THAT'S DONE, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WILL AGAIN DISCUSS IT AND KIND OF TRY TO GET A, A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD OR WHAT THAT MEANS. IS THAT OKAY? THANK YOU, MR. ROBINSON. THANK YOU. SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE THAT THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO COME FORWARD. UH, THANK YOU. AND WHAT I WOULD ALSO ASK IS THAT YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JACK KNAPP. THIS IS MY WIFE DEBBIE. WE'VE BEEN MARRIED 34 YEARS, OUR HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEARTS, AND THIS IS LONG-TERM DREAM FOR OURS. UM, DENWITTY COUNTY IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR US TO SETTLE IN AND RETIRE, AND WE'RE GONNA BE LIVING ON THE CAMPGROUND FULL TIME. UH, SO THIS WILL BE OUR BACKYARD THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT. SO I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, WE HAVE TOURED, IF NOT ALL, I WOULD SAY ALL, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I'VE HIT 'EM ALL THE CAMPGROUNDS THAT YOU HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS EVENING. AND WE HOLD THE SAME CONCERNS FOR OUR CAMPGROUND THAT YOU HOLD, THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE LONG-TERM TENANTS OR THE TENANTS THAT ARE CHALLENGING. AND WE HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THAT IN OUR, UM, PRESENTATION. IF YOU GUYS COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, THE COLOR. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WERE GIVEN THE COLOR SHEET. MINE'S NOT COLOR. I APOLOGIZE. MY PRINTER DOESN'T PRINT AND COLOR. UM, BUT, UH, WE WENT THROUGH, UH, I, I'LL START WITH THE, UM, LET'S SEE, THE SECURITY. UM, I THINK THAT'S TOWARD THE END OF THE BOOKLET. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THE RIGHT PAGE. BUT WE, THE SECURITY, WHAT WE'VE DECIDED, AND WE ACTUALLY, UH, AFTER WE MADE THE APPLICATION, WE STARTED [01:00:01] DOING SOME MORE WORK ON HOW TO GET THROUGH THE GATE. UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A GATE. UH, AND THE REASON FOR THE GATE IS TO KEEP OUT THE RIFFRAFF. UM, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN OUR, MY WIFE AND I LIVE IN, IN MIDDLE LITHIUM RIGHT NOW. WE LIVE IN A GATED HOUSE. AND, UH, THE REASON WE DO THAT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING ON OUR PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T WANT ON OUR PROPERTY. SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME THING HERE. WE WANNA LIVE ON SITE AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING ON THERE THAT, UH, ARE NOT INVITED. SO WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING ON SWITCHING UP AND GOING INSTEAD OF WITH A, UH, WINDSHIELD SYSTEM, WE'RE GONNA USE A LICENSE PLATE READER. SO THAT'S GONNA GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT SAFETY PAGE IS. I'M SORRY GUYS. NINE PAGE NINE. PAGE NINE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE TO SEE IT ON OUR, UH, ONLINE. WE DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR PACKET. OH, OH, OH. OKAY. SO FLIP OVER TO PAGE NINE. TOP OF THE PAGE. TOP OF THE PAGE SAYS EMERGENCY, THE TOP OF THE PAGE SAYS, EMERGENCY HAS A POLICE, SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR CAR ON IT. MM-HMM . UM, SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY? WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS A, UH, HURRICANE OR LET'S SAY, GOD FORBID THERE'S A FIRE OR A TORNADO COMING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BLAST SYSTEM THAT REACHES OUT TO ALL OF OUR CAMPERS AND WARNS THEM OF THE DANGER. AND WE'RE ALSO, BY HAVING THE LICENSE PLATE READER, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PULL THAT UP ON THE COMPUTER AND KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY CARS, HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE IN OUR SITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WHETHER THEY'RE GUEST OF GUEST OR WHETHER THEY'RE OUR GUEST. OKAY? NOW, EXCUSE ME, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF CHALLENGING OCCUPANTS GUEST IS WHAT THE WORD WE'RE USING. WE ARE RUNNING OUR CAMPGROUND ON A LICENSE BASIS. SO JUST LIKE WHEN YOU GET YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE, WHEN YOU NO LONGER HAVE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE, WHEN IT GETS REVOKED, YOU ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO DRIVE. WHEN YOU GO TO A BASEBALL GAME, SAY YOU GO TO THE SQUIRRELS, YOU GET A TICKET TO GO SIT IN THE STANDS OF THE BASEBALL GAME, THAT TICKET IS A LICENSE FOR YOU TO SIT IN. THE BASEBALL STANDS. IF YOU GET ROWDY, IF YOU START ACTING UP OR ACTING OUT AND THE, AND THE SECURITY GETS AHOLD OF YOU, THEY WILL REVOKE YOUR LICENSE. YOU ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED AT THAT GAME. THAT TICKET IS REVOKED. THAT LICENSE IS REVOKED. WE ARE OPERATING THE SAME WAY. WE'VE TALKED TO LEGAL AND THEY HAVE ADVISED US TO GO THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE WE WANT A STRICT CAMPGROUND. SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA CHALLENGING GUESTS. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY SECOND NIGHT OF 1:00 AM ROCK AND ROLL BLARING BECAUSE I'M GONNA LIVE THERE AND AS SOON AS I HEAR ABOUT IT, I'M GONNA SHUT 'EM DOWN AND I'LL PROBABLY BE GIVEN A CALL TO THE, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ASK 'EM TO COME HELP ESCORT THIS TENANT. YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, LICENSEE OFF OFFSITE RIGHT THEN. BUT IT'LL DEFINITELY BE DONE THE NEXT DAY. 'CAUSE I'M JUST NOT GONNA PUT UP WITH IT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE, MYSELF OR MY WIFE OR OUR STAFF WILL BE GOING AROUND EVERY DAY COLLECTING GARBAGE. WE DON'T WANT ANY RODENT VERMIN, YOU KNOW, INFESTATIONS ANY PROBLEMS. SO THE CAMPERS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR TRASH AT THE END. RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA GO BY WITH THE GATOR, PICK IT ALL UP, TAKE IT BACK TO THE DUMPSTER. THE DUMPSTERS ARE GONNA BE LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE SO THAT THERE'S NO NOISE ISSUES WITH THE TRASH PICKUP. SO THE GUY WITH THE DUMPSTER CAN COME AT THREE IN THE MORNING IF HE WANTS TO. HE'S JUST GONNA BE AT THE ENTRANCE. OUR SITE IS FULL OF TREES. ALRIGHT, LOB LOLLY PINES. IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LOY FARM FOR PROBABLY CENTURIES, AND WE'RE GONNA LEAVE AS MANY AS WE CAN. THE ONLY THING WE'RE TAKING OUT IS A 24 FEET WIDE FOR THE STREETS, WHICH ARE PLENTY WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE SECURITY VEHICLES TO GET DOWN. THEY'RE GONNA BE PACKED. UH, THE ROADS ARE GONNA ALL BE COMPACTED WITH GRAVEL AND EACH SITE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 12 FOOT WIDE MINIMUM. THE A DA SITES WOULD BE 20 FEET WIDE. UH, A DA SITES ARE NOT REQUIRED AT THIS TIME, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT JUST TO BE IN COMPLIANCE FOR WHEN IT DOES KICK IN. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DA COMPLIANT BATHROOMS UP FRONT AS WELL. UM, THE SIZE OF OUR SITES, OH, THE SIZE OF OUR SITES IS HUGE. SO I DID A LITTLE MATH BEFORE I CAME OVER, AND WHEN YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU DO THE NUMBERS ON THE, ON THE SIGN, I MEAN, ON THE SITE PLAN, THERE'S 80 FEET FROM PEDESTAL TO PEDESTAL. THAT'S THE LARGEST THAT I'M AWARE OF ON THE EAST COAST SITES FOR A CAMPER. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL OF THAT FILLED WITH LO LOLLY PINE TREES. SO THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE A LONG WAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GUYS HAVE BEEN TO A CAMPGROUND WHERE YOU CAN ALMOST REACH OUT AND TOUCH YOUR NEIGHBOR, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU CAN HAND SALT SHAKER. HEY, CAN YOU GUYS GOTTA GET EXTRA FIRE CUP OR SOMETHING? SO OURS ISN'T GONNA BE LIKE THAT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HEAR YOUR NEIGHBORS TALKING TYPICALLY. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HEAR 'EM ARGUING. UM, BECAUSE THERE'S 80 FEET WITH LOUD LOLLY PINES BETWEEN EVERY SITE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE TO TRY TO KEEP CAMPERS APART. WE HAVE RULES ABOUT, UM, EXCESSIVE NOISE. MOST OF THESE BIG RIGS THAT COME IN THESE DAYS HAVE THE TVS ON THE OUTSIDE. UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT WORD TO USE, PROFANITY, PROFANITY, NUDITY, THAT KIND OF THING ON THOSE TVS. IF WE, IF WE CATCH YOU, YOU'RE GONE. YOUR LICENSE IS REVOKED. WE ARE GONNA BE VERY STRICT NOW. WELL, MR. KNAPP, YOU'RE WANTING TO FILL THE SITES UP. I AM, YES. BUT IN ORDER [01:05:01] TO KEEP THE QUALITY UP, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE MORE. WE INTERVIEWED ALL OF THE OTHER CAMPGROUNDS IN THE AREA. MY WIFE CALLED 'EM ALL AND SAID, DO YOU HAVE ANY OPEN SITES? HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE? WHAT ABOUT YOUR LONG-TERM? THE LONG-TERM PEOPLE ARE A MONTH OR LONGER, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DEFINITION IS. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE FOUND THAT OUT A FEW MONTHS AGO. ONE OF THE CAMPGROUNDS IN THE AREA HAS 535 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST TO GET INTO THE LONG-TERM SITES. WE'RE ONLY 300 SITES. I DON'T EXPECT TO GET VERY MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PAY, THEY'RE PLANNING ON PAYING $525 A A MONTH FOR THAT. WE'RE GONNA BE ABOUT DOUBLE THAT. WE HAVE TO BE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA GET THE RIFFRAFF. AND I HOPE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. THE KIND OF PEOPLE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, WE CAN'T HANDLE THAT. THEY'RE IN MY BACKYARD, THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET. I CAN'T HAVE THAT KINDA STUFF. I'LL BE KICKED OUT. YOU GUYS WILL KICK ME OUT. YOU'LL SHUT ME DOWN. THE SHERIFF WILL COME AND SHUT ME DOWN. . I WANT THIS TO BE MY RETIREMENT HOME. I WANT DEWIN TO BE WHERE I CAN SAY THIS IS THE BEST CAMPGROUND ON THE EAST COAST. UM, THE EMS AND THE SHERIFFS AND ALL THAT THROUGH THE LICENSE PLATE READERS. YEAH. THE LICENSE PLATE READER WILL HAVE ALL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EMS FIRE DEPARTMENT, EVERYBODY WHO'S, UH, WOULD BE NEEDING ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE THEIR LICENSE PLATE ALREADY ENTERED INTO OUR SYSTEM. SO AS THEY PULL UP TO THE GATE, IT OPENS, THEY'RE ALLOWED RIGHT IN. IF YOU GUYS GET NEW PLATES, THAT WOULD BE, WE'D BE ASKING FOR THOSE NEW PLATES AS WELL. OR THEY KEY THE MIC. YEAH. OR THE OTHER SYSTEM IS THEY KEY THEIR MIC WHEN THEY PULL UP. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY GOT THEIR, UH, RADIO AND THEN WHEN THEY HIT IT, OURS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY READ IT, OPEN THE GATE, AND THEY COME IN AND DO THEIR JOB. OUR PETS. I WAS HERE LAST MONTH WHEN YOU GUYS, UH, HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE, UH, WAS THIS THE SAME GROUP THAT TALKED ABOUT OKAY. THE, IT WAS, THAT WAS THE BOARD. OH, OKAY. WITH THE SNAKE ORDINANCE. YEAH. THE SNAKE ORDINANCE. UM, WE'VE COVERED THAT BECAUSE I WAS HERE, WE DECIDED TO COVER THAT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITING PETS TO TWO DOGS, TWO CATS AND, AND CAGED BIRDS. UM, EVERYBODY TRAVELS WITH PETS THESE DAYS, BUT WE REALLY DON'T WANT VENOMOUS IN THERE. UM, WHAT ELSE DID WE TALK ABOUT? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ON THE LIST. THAT'S ALL THE NOTES THERE. CAN YOU GUYS REMIND ME OF YOUR OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, THE ONES I HAD WAS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAD. OKAY. THAT YOU ANSWERED. I DON'T INTEND, I DON'T INTEND TO DO THINGS. I AM FINE TO, I BROTHER MR. BRAD AND I TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE ADDED STRUCTURES. MM-HMM . THE NEW CAMPERS TODAY THAT WE'RE WANTING TO GET IN THE FIFTH WHEELS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN 'EM. THEY HAVE THE AUTOMATED, WELL, NOT AUTOMATED. WELL, THEY, THEY'RE, BUT ANYWAY, THEY HAVE THE DOORS THAT OPEN IN THE BACK THAT CREATE A DECK. HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE? THEY OPEN IN THE BACK WHERE THEY OPEN ON THE SIDE. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE WE'RE WANTING TO APPEAL TO. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A 65 FOOT DEEP SITE LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, AND YOU, AND THAT'S ALL GRAVEL, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER 10 FEET BEYOND THAT THAT GOES INTO THE WOODS. MY GOAL IS TO GET THE GUYS WITH THOSE CAMPERS THAT HAVE THE DROP DOWN GATE IN THE BACK TO BACK ALL THE WAY UP. BECAUSE THERE'S, IF YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S JUST TONS OF SPACE BETWEEN SITES, UH, REAR TO REAR. RIGHT. THERE IS JUST SO MUCH SPACE THAT THEY'LL NEVER SEE EACH OTHER THROUGH THE WOODS. THAT'S THE GOAL. WHEN THEY GET THEIR BACK DOOR OPENED AND THEY HAVE THAT DECK, THEY'LL NEVER NEED TO BUILD, UH, A DECK. A DECK, ADDITIONAL DECK. YEAH. OR STEPS TO IT. 'CAUSE THEY COME OFF THE STEPS. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW IT. WE'RE GONNA RIDE AROUND EVERY DAY AND PICK UP TRASH. WE START SEEING THE TOTES. YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YOU GO TO A PERMANENT SITE, RIGHT. YOU START SEEING THE TOTES STUFFED UNDERNEATH THE FIFTH WHEEL. IT'S STUFFED UNDERNEATH THE, THE 19 FOOTERS OUT THERE. WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT. IF THEY HAVE TO START PUTTING A TOTE OUTSIDE, IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO GET A STORAGE UNIT. SO OUR WAY TO SOLVE THAT IS WE'RE GONNA OFFER, LIKE THE RUBBER MADE LOCKABLE SHEDS. WE'RE GONNA STANDARDIZE 'EM. IF THEY NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY CAN RENT ONE OF THOSE FROM US. WE'LL PUT IT ON THEIR SITE FOR 'EM, AND THEY CAN STORE THEIR, THEIR STUFF BACK IN THE, BACK INSIDE THAT LOCKABLE RUBBERMAID SHED. THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW TO LOOK LIKE A JUNKIE. LIKE THE OTHER ONES LOOK LIKE THEY'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE EIGHTIES OR EARLIER. THIS IS OUR BACKYARD. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA LIVE. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TO DO THIS CAMPGROUND. SO WE TRIED TO THINK OF MY, MY WIFE HAS LOVED LIVING WITH A GATE FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. SHE'S LIKE, HONEY, I DON'T WANNA LIVE IN A PLACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A GATE. I WANT MY SAFETY. I SAID, HOW YOU IN WIN COUNTY? EVERYBODY LOVES EVERYBODY DOWN THERE. IT'S NOT CHESTERFIELD. AND SHE SAID, UH, I WANT A GATE. SO WE GOT A GATE. AND UH, YOUR WIFE WAS SMART. YEAH. . SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE SET IT UP THAT WAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WHILE, WHILE I GET THE PHONE, DO YOU WANT TO GO AND ASK SOME QUESTIONS WHILE, YEAH. I, I, I JUST, I MEAN, WHEN YOU, I, I [01:10:01] JUST, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE WORDS LIKE I INTEND TO. I EITHER YOU DO OR YOU DON'T. I'M FINE TO CHANGE THOSE. I MEAN, ALL, ALL THOSE WHERE IT SAYS IT, I MEAN, IT IS, IT JUST LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN FOR YOU TO DO IT. INTERPRETATION. YES. THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING, IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STRUCTURE PUT ON THERE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH BUILDING CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S, WE CAN SHUT IT DOWN THEN. YEAH. YOU DON'T, NO. OKAY. IF, IF YOU GO TO THE OTHERS, IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DON'T GO TO BUILDING. WELL, THEY WERE IN THE EIGHTIES EARLIER. WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW IT. THAT. AND, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT IS NOT OUR MODEL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM THE COPY. I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I REALLY DO. BUT IF THAT AIN'T IN WRITING GOTCHA. IT DOESN'T MATTER. I DO UNDERSTAND. WE'LL BE GLAD TO PUT IT IN WRITING. YES. I'M SURE YOU'RE FIND PEOPLE, WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVEN'T MET US YET. WELL, BUT WE CAN PUT IT IN WRITING. YEAH. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. YOU TOO. UH, ARE YOU PLANNING ON HOSTING EVENTS THAT IS ADDRESSED, THAT'S ADDRESSED IN THE, UH, COLOR EVENT BOOK BROCHURE. ON WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON, SIR? ALL RIGHT. LEMME SEE. UM, WE TRIED, GUYS, I PROMISE YOU WE TRIED REALLY HARD TO BE AS THOROUGH AS WE COULD. AND YOU WERE. OKAY. I MEAN, I, I READ THROUGH THIS QUICKLY. YEAH. THERE WAS A LOT IN THERE. YES, SIR. ACTIVITIES, PAGE NUMBER SEVEN SEVEN, UM, RIGHT BELOW THE WORD ACTIVITIES SAYS, WHILE WE PLAN ON HAVING MANY ONSITE FUN EVENTS FOR OUR CAMPERS TO ENJOY, THEY WILL TYPICALLY NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO I READ RIGHT OFF YOUR, UH, WEBSITE RULES AND REGULATIONS. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I GOT THIS FROM. NOR WILL THEY HAVE A FEE INVOLVED. IF OUR EVENTS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR THERE IS A FEE INVOLVED, WE APPLY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WITH THE COUNTY AS REQUIRED. OKAY. YES, SIR. GOOD QUESTION. AND SO YOU CAN SHUT US DOWN IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN A PARTICULAR EVENT THAT WERE GONNA HAPPEN. RIGHT. I MEAN, I, I WAS GETTING AT, I KNOW CAMP CAMPGROUNDS OFTEN WILL HAVE LIKE SMALL CONCERTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT AT A PAVILION THAT YOU HAVE SET UP IN THE MIDDLE OR WHATEVER. UH, WE WOULD DO THAT IF IT WAS FREE, BUT WE CAN'T INVITE THE COUNTY WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION. I, I'M NOT SAYING FOR THE, I I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT YOUR CAMPERS. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, LIKE LET'S SAY YOU'RE THERE AT CHRISTMAS. OKAY. HAVING A, THE GOLF CART CHRISTMAS PARADE. OH, YEAH. STUFF LIKE THAT EVERY DAY, SIR. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THOSE TYPE EVENTS HAPPEN. YES, SIR. BUT, UH, JUST KINDA WONDERING HOW BIG SOME OF THESE THINGS MIGHT BE IF IT WOULD INCLUDE, YOU THINK 300 OF THE ALL 300 CAMPERS WOULD COME TO IT, OR, I DOUBT IT. MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA PROBABLY BE HOLED UP USING THE BROADBAND WIFI THAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR 'EM. , WE, WE KNOW THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE RIGHT. I MEAN, CAMPERS ARE SOCIAL BEINGS. OKAY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT. UM, WE'RE REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND WE'VE SEEN THE NEED FOR HOUSING. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANNA DO THIS, IS BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA HELP. FULL DISCLOSURE, I'VE BEEN A CONTRACTOR FOR 30 YEARS. I, I PAINTED MY WAY THROUGH COLLEGE. I PAINTED MY WAY AFTERWARDS. UM, I WAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION PAINTER. AND WHEN BRACK CAME THROUGH AND FORT LEE BLEW UP, I WAS RIGHT DOWN THERE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR TRYING TO GET THOSE CONTRACTS FOR THE PAINTING. I WENT ON SITE. YOU HAD TO GET THE RAPID GATE BACK THERE TO GET ON. I TRIED TO HIRE PEOPLE. IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO HIRE PEOPLE BACK THEN. THEY WERE ALL, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO HIRE PEOPLE. YEAH. IMPOSSIBLE TO HIRE PEOPLE. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT. OKAY. . THEY DIDN'T HAVE, ANYWAY. HEY, LEMME JUST TO, TO GET TO THE POINT. ALMOST EVERYBODY I WORKED WITH DOWN THERE WAS FROM TEXAS OR OKLAHOMA BECAUSE THEY WERE SHIPPED IN BY THE MAIN BUILDER, FOR LACK OF A BETTER, I WAS THE ONLY GUY THAT OUTBID EVERYBODY ELSE FOR THE PAINTING, FOR THE LOCAL. SO I WAS, I WAS IN MIDDLE IAN DRIVING DOWN EVERY DAY AND WE WERE PAINTING DOWN THERE. WHEN I STARTED TALKING TO GUYS, I'M LIKE, WHERE ARE YOU STAYING? WELL, WE'RE STAYING IN A HOTEL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STAYING IN A HOTEL, STAYING IN A HOTEL. AND THESE ARE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS. THEY'RE MY KIND OF PEOPLE. THEY'RE, THEY GOT SALT OF THE EARTH. YEAH. THEY GOT THE MUD ON THEIR BOOTS AND THEY HOME EVERY NIGHT. AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF GUYS I WANT TO APPEAL TO. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THEIR BOSS PAYS FOR EVERYBODY'S HOTEL. SO HE'S, HE'S TRYING TO FIND THOSE EXTENDED STAY PLACES. HE WOULD FAR RATHER HAVE THEM STAYING AT A CAMPGROUND LIKE MINE SO HE CAN CORRAL 'EM AND KEEP 'EM IN LINE AND THEN TRUCK 'EM OVER TO THE BASE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION LIKE THAT. UH, THAT WOULD GIVE ME A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. YES, SIR. WHEN ASKING THAT, YES SIR. WOULD YOU BE OWNING ANY OF THESE CAMPERS YOURSELF? NO, SIR. TO RENT OUT TO PEOPLE? SIR, I DO NOT WANNA BE IN THE HOSPITALITY BUSINESS. NO, SIR. I DON'T LIKE CLEANING SHEETS. I MEAN, THAT I, I MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK LIKE THAT, IT KIND OF LENDS ITSELF TO THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. WE ARE GONNA, NO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING THEIR OWN CAMPER AND IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE IN GOOD WORKING CONDITION. IT'S GONNA HAVE TO LOOK GOOD. OR THEY'RE OUT THERE. OKAY. WE, WE HAVE A 10 YEAR RULE ON IT, BUT IT'S, IF THEY SEND US A PICTURE AND THEY GOT A, A VINTAGE AND IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, COME ON, WE'RE GOOD. BUT IF IT, IF YOU SEND YOU A 2-YEAR-OLD CAMPER AND IT'S BEEN WRECKED. I'M SORRY. YOUR LICENSE IS REVOKED. MM-HMM . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M, IF HE [01:15:02] PARDON ME? NO, I, I, I'M OKAY. I'M JUST, I, I MEAN, YOU HEARD MY, MY, UH, ISSUES. WELL, SOMEWHERE IN, UH, MR. ROBINSON'S PRESENTATION, IT, ONE OF THE PARAGRAPHS TALKED ABOUT PRIMARILY DESIGN FOR TRAVELERS AND INTER UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT DIDN'T MENTION, UH, HOME AWAY FROM HOME FOR CONTRACTOR CREWS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT KIND OF GIVES IT A WHOLE DIFFERENT FLAVOR OF A CAMPGROUND. WELL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL, WE DON'T ALLOW TENTS. AND WHEN YOU THINK OF A CAMPGROUND, A LOT OF TIMES YOU DO THINK OF TENTS. WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, THIS IS AN RV PARK, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE TENT CAMPING AT OUR PARK. WE'RE LOOKING TO APPEAL TO THE NURSES THAT NEED LONG TERM CONTRACTS, LIKE SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS. UM, THOSE TYPES OF CONTRACTS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY MOVE HERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, A MONTHLY PERIOD OF TIME USUALLY. UM, BUT ANYTHING OVER FOUR WEEKS WOULD BE CONSIDERED LONG TERM. WELL, I, I GUESS THAT GOES BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT. HOW LONG CAN PEOPLE STAY THERE? HOW, I MEAN, IF THEY CAN, IF IT'S OPEN ENDED, THEY CAN COME AND STAY A YEAR. WE WON'T ALLOW ANY MAIL. UH, EVEN MY WIFE AND I WILL NOT GET MAIL AT THE SITE. UH, SO THAT KIND OF ELIMINATES ONE OF THE CONCERNS FOR A MOBILE HOME PARK. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING A, A QUASI MOBILE HOME PARK. RIGHT? WOULD THAT BE YEAH. YEAH. SO BY HAVING IT BE A LICENSE, IT'S A DAILY LICENSE. THEY MAY HAVE PREPAID. WE'LL GIVE 'EM A REFUND WHEN WE SEND 'EM PACKING. THE CAMPERS ARE ALSO NOT GONNA BE UP ON BLOCKS. THESE SAN THESE CAMPERS HAVE TO BE MOBILE. THEY HAVE TO BE READY TO GO. THIS IS GOING, THIS IS IN OUR GUIDELINES, IN OUR RULES AND REGS THAT THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY ALL. AND OUR SITES ARE GONNA BE LEVEL THAT KEEPS 'EM FROM PUTTING THE BLOCKS UP. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT, UH, OFF CAMPSITE PARKING? SO CAMPSITE, YOU GOT BIG, YOU GOT A CAMPSITE, YOU GOT A, A RV ON IT. UH, IS THERE GONNA BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO OR THREE VEHICLES? CAN THEY PARK OUT STREET MAXIMUM OF TWO? ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT? THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION AND AN ADDITIONAL FEE. SO THERE WOULD BE PARKING UP TOWARDS THE FRONT. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A STORAGE AREA IF THEY HAD SOMETHING TO STORE FOR SOME REASON. BUT SOME OF THESE BIG RIGS COME IN WITH A BIG CAR HAULER IN THE BACK. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAMP WITH THOSE GUYS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OUTTA MY LEAGUE. BUT THOSE GUYS COME IN, THEY'RE GONNA PUT THEIR, THEIR CAR HAULER IN THE STORAGE AREA. OKAY. AND THEN THEIR CAR WILL BE NOSED IN WITH THEIR CAMPER. SO YOU, YOU DON'T ENVISION A PROBLEM WITH, UH, PEOPLE'S AUTOMOBILES, TRUCKS, UH, PARKING ON THE STREET. AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TRICKING THAT. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE ON THE STREET, AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE ON THE GROUNDS EXCEPT FOR WHERE THERE'S GRAVEL. SO RIGHT THERE ON THEIR SPOT IS WHERE THEY'RE ONLY, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE. AND AGAIN, MAXIMUM OF TWO. AND WE ONLY ALLOW TWO GUESTS PER CAMPSITE. UH, TWO, TWO GUESTS OF THE GUEST. SO IF, IF JUNIOR COMES DOWN HERE AND HE GETS A JOB AND HIS MOM AND DAD LIVE IN SANDSTON AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY SON, WE WANNA COME BRING YOU A STEAK DINNER. MOM AND DAD CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE HIM A STEAK DINNER. BUT THEY'RE PARKING ON HIS CAMP PAD. THEY'RE NOT GONNA PARK ON THE STREET. BECAUSE WE ARE GOING AROUND, REMEMBER, WE'RE GOING AROUND EVERY DAY PICKING UP TRASH. AND WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THOSE TOTES OUTSIDE. WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THE MESSY TRAILERS. WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THE PEOPLE WE HAVE IN HERE. STANDARDS ABOUT WASHING THEIR TRAILERS. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO, IF THEY'RE DIRTY, THEY'VE GOTTA BE WASHED. THE MOLD AND THE MILDEW OR WHATEVER GROWS ON THE SIDE OF 'EM. IT'S LIKE, NO, I, IT NEEDS TO LOOK NICE. IT NEEDS TO, THIS, THIS PARK IS GONNA BE UNLIKE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE USED TO. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT WHAT YOU'RE USED TO IN DENWITTY. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE EIGHTIES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. UH, AND IT'S NOW TIME FOR, UH, WE ARE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, DO WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP? MR. GERALD, MR. CHAIR, THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. SPEAK. UH, IF THERE'S, IS ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THAT HADN'T SIGNED UP? DID YOU ASK ANYBODY THIS ONLINE? OH, OH YEAH. ONE MORE THING. I'M SORRY GUYS. YES. ONE MORE THING. UM, ON THE MAP. I'M GLAD IT'S STILL UP. COMPLETELY FORGOT. I'M GONNA GET UP A LITTLE CLOSER. IS THAT OKAY? OH YEAH. ON THE MAP, THIS THIS FAR LEFT PART THAT I DREW IN, IN BLACK UHHUH. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. ALONG THE, UH, THIS SIDE OVER HERE IS BOY AND BLANK. OKAY. SO THIS LITTLE 50 FOOT WIDE SECTION, IT'S NOT ON THE MAP. 'CAUSE THE PHIPPS JUST SOLD THIS TO THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THIS PARCEL OVER HERE FROM EM. SO THE PARCEL THAT YOU SEE THAT SAYS POTENTIAL ACTIVITIES AREA IS A 50 ACRE PARCEL. THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS A 50 ACRE PARCEL THAT IS OWNED BY THE BUM GUARDS. AND WE TALKED TO THEM BECAUSE THEY HAD A EASEMENT THAT RAN RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF OUR CAMPGROUND. AND AN EASEMENT DOESN'T GIVE THEM FULL ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY. SO RATHER THAN HAVE THEM STAY IN THAT EASEMENT AND KIND OF GO RIGHT [01:20:01] TO THE MIDDLE OF OUR CAMPGROUND, THE PHIPPS WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO SELL THEM TWO ACRES. IT'S A 50 FOOT WIDE STRETCH THAT GETS THEM BACK TO THEIR PROPERTY. SO TYPICALLY IT'S CALLED A FLAG LOT. SO YOU HAVE A FLAG POLE, NOW YOU SEE THE FLAG POLE, AND THEN THE FLAG IS THE LOT. SO THE 50 ACRES IS OVER HERE FOR THEM. AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A MAILBOX ON NASH ROAD. SO HAMPTON GORDON, SOME OF YOU GUYS MAY KNOW HIM. UH, HE, HE'S GONNA FINISH MARKING THAT THIS WEEK FOR US SURVEYOR. HE'S GONNA FINISH MARKING THAT. SO THAT WAY THIS FAMILY, NOW, THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY NO LONGER IS LANDLOCKED. THEY NOW HAVE FULL ACCESS TO NASH ROAD AND IT'S 50 FEET WIDE, SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE MULTIPLE HOUSES ON IT IF THEY WERE SO, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE A FAMILY. WE'VE MET 'EM, MET 'EM OUTSIDE ON THE SITE. SO I APOLOGIZE ABOUT NOT TELLING YOU THAT. I GOT A FOLLOW UP TO THAT. SO, IS THAT PARCEL 44 DASH 26? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEN THE FOLKS THAT ARE GONNA BE LIVING THERE HAVE BOUGHT A, UH, 50 FOOT STRIP OFF OF THE 186.1 ACRES. YES, SIR. AND IT'S TWO ACRES. OKAY. GOTCHA. YES, SIR. SO NOW WE'RE 184 POINT SOMETHING. I UNDERSTAND. YES, SIR. OKAY. MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, SINCE WE HAVE, IS ANYONE, UH, MR. EARL SIGNED UP ONLINE? NO. MR. CHAIR, THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP ONLINE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS, WERE THEY HERE TO SPEAK OR THEY'RE JUST HERE FOR SUPPORT, SO, BUT I, I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP ON PAPER. MR. CHAIR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK YOU, YOU ARE WELCOME. BUT IF NOT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN. I HAVE OUR DISCUSSION AND, AND COME TO SOME KIND OF YOU'D LIKE TO PIN. YES, SIR. PLEASE COME UP. MY NAME'S TERRY CHAMBERS, UH, TERRY CHAMBERS UHHUH. AND YOUR ADDRESS? ADDRESS IS 1 7 65 NASH ROAD. OKAY. I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE POND FROM MY DAD. OKAY. YES, SIR. NICE TO MEET YOU ALL. AND THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY. UM, AS I TOLD UH, THESE PEOPLE TONIGHT, WHEN I MET 'EM FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, I TOLD 'EM, I SAID, BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'M NERVOUS, UH, WHEN I HEARD THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA POTENTIALLY BE THERE. AND, UM, THEN IT'S BEEN A NICE TOWN. AND I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, YOU KNOW, AT MY DAD'S PLACE. AND I GREW UP THERE AND I, I BUILT A HOME ACROSS THE POND FROM IT. WE BUILT IT OURSELF, YOU KNOW. AND, UM, I TAKE PRIDE IN THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT PLACE AND, AND HOW QUIET AND NICE IT HAS BEEN AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE'VE HAD ALL ALONG. IF THERE'VE BEEN NO ISSUES, UM, I'M A FIREMAN IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY AND I RESPOND TO, UH, SEVERAL PLACES SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY ARE PUTTING UP. AND, UM, WITH THAT IN TIME, THINGS CHANGE. AND I SHARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL HAVE. YOU KNOW, IT ALL LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER AND THE, UM, THE, THE VERBIAGE LENS TO THINGS CAN CHANGE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPANSION OR INTERPRETATION. SO I, I'M NERVOUS AS TO WHAT THOSE INTERPRETATIONS MAY BECOME IN THE FUTURE. UM, I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE, UH, A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE AND I WANT DEWIN COUNTY TO REMAIN A, A GREAT PLACE. AND, UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BEING ABLE TO COME IN THERE AND DO THEIR JOB. 'CAUSE 300, 300 RESIDENTS TIMES TWO OR MORE IS, IS A LOT TO TAKE CARE OF, UH, THE IMPACT ON THE, THE COUNTY. UM, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT OR ACROSS THE, THE ROAD FROM MY HOME. UM, I WELCOME PEOPLE TO, TO DENWOOD COUNTY AND, AND ENJOY THE GROWTH, UH, AND THE TAX BASE AND THE THINGS THAT HELP OUR COMMUNITY. UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE FOR THE FUTURE. AND FOR THAT, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW I'M CONCERNED AS WELL, AND HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS YOU ALL DO AND SAME QUESTIONS, AND LIKE THOSE THINGS TO BE ANSWERED, YOU KNOW? SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT AND, UH, I WISH YOU ALL WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. HOWEVER THIS SHAKES OUT. LOOK FORWARD TO BEING YOUR NEIGHBOR. YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SPEAKING. YES, THANK YOU. UM, I GOT THE QUESTION THAT I'VE GOT, AND I'LL JUST START IT OFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND. WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF TWO, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, UH, THE AFRICA DECIDES TO SELL THE PLACE AND THE STANDARDS, UH, UH, HOW DOES THAT TRANSFER TO THE PEOPLE WHO BUY IT? UH, HOW DOES THAT WORK? QUESTION? YES. YES. THAT, YEAH. IF YOU ALL APPROVED THE CUP WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT WOULD TRANSFER WITH, WITH THE LAND, WHOEVER BOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY ANY AND ALL CONDITIONS YOU ALL APPROVED AS PART OF THE RV CAMPGROUND. ALRIGHT? DOES THAT, DOES THAT, DOES THAT MEAN WHATEVER THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT BUY IT INTENDS TO DO? COULD HAPPEN? THEY, I THINK WE PRETTY MUCH, PRETTY MUCH, UH, SAID IS KIND OF A POISON PILL HERE. YEAH. UM, BUT SAM, WELL, SO TO THAT POINT, I MEAN, I HEARD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS YOU SAID MR. NAPP. UM, BUT I THINK TO ME IT'S A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, ON [01:25:01] A VERY SPECIFIC LEVEL TO CODIFY ALL OF THAT LANGUAGE THERE. SO THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT GET TRANSFERRED TO SUBSEQUENT OWNERS. THAT'S ONE THING. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT HIT ME, LIKE I SAID, I'M FASCINATED BY THE FACT THAT I, IT WAS ALL THE, THE CAMPGROUNDS WE HAVE ARE ALL IN THE BACKGROUND TO ME. I, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. I, I WAS FASCINATED THAT ALL FOUR OF 'EM WERE 35, 40 YEARS OLD. YOU KNOW, I WONDER IF WE NEED A, IF WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT A, A NEW ORDINANCE FOR THAT RATHER THAN JUST DEALING WITH IT AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN AN AG AGRICULTURAL AREA. UM, I DON'T KNOW. JUST THROWING THAT UP. I I, I DON'T WANT, I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW A MONKEY WRENCH, YOU KNOW, OF, OF CHURNING SOMETHING FOREVER AND EVER AFTER YOU'VE MADE AN APPLICATION. BUT IT DOES BEG THE QUESTION TO ME. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT IT. SO THAT, THAT, THAT THE, THE BUSINESS OF, OF CODIFYING ALL OF OUR CONCERNS, I THINK IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN AS LONG AS QUITE A FEW OF YOU, IS THAT IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING, YOU KNOW, JUST STANDING UP AND SAYING, YEAH, WE WILLING TO DO THAT, DOESN'T GIVE, GIVE US THE ASSURANCES THAT WE CAN HAVE AND SHOULD HAVE TO, TO MAKE A DECISION. UM, AND, AND THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE THIS KIND OF MEETING IS THAT, SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR CONCERNS ARE, THEN YOU TOO CAN REFLECT ON WHAT YOU'RE HEARING US SAY AND SAY, OKAY, WELL HOW CAN WE IMPROVE OUR MESSAGE IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE? I, ANYBODY ELSE, PLEASE. I, I, I, I, I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU THERE AND WITH, UH, MR. CUNNINGHAM. 'CAUSE I REMEMBER A CASE WE HAD SEVERAL, UH, ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, AND THE GUY SAID, YEAH, WE'LL DO THIS. WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN DO THIS. BUT IT WAS NOT PUT IN WRITING AND HE DIDN'T DO IT. AND I THINK HE WENT DOWN AND BOUGHT A HAMBURGER FROM THE GUY, SOMETHING. AND HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE SELLING HAMBURGERS. ANYWAY, I'M JUST DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE IN A SECOND. . SO I, I'M JUST, I, I'M IN AGREEMENT. I, I THINK THE PLACES WHERE IT SAYS THAT YOU WOULD INTEND TO DO SOMETHING NEED TO BE MORE DEFINED, EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. AND I THINK THOSE NEED TO BE SPELLED OUT. I, I REALLY DO. I THINK THEY NEED TO BE SPELLED OUT. UH, YEAH. THERE ANY, I'M SORRY. I I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, TONIGHT I FEEL IT WOULD BE RASH OF US TO GO AND MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. I, I JUST LEARNED THAT THIS WHEN I GOT MY AGENDA, SO I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT ANYTHING OR PLAN A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THIS. I'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAMPGROUNDS THAT I ASKED TONIGHT THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERED. I'D LIKE TO GET ANSWERS TO THAT. MR. KNAPP MAY LIKE TO REWRITE SOME THINGS AND COME BACK IN FRONT OF US WITH BETTER WORDING. UH, I WILL, I WILL SAY OUR STUFF IS ALL WRITTEN. IT'S ALWAYS ANSWER. IT'S ALREADY ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. OKAY. UH, SO THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING ARE ON THE, UH, ON THE 15 ITEMS, RIGHT? THAT WERE ALREADY, THAT WERE ANSWERED BY MR. BRAD. ALRIGHT. AND THOSE ARE THINGS I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH. CHANGING OUR STUFF IS ALREADY WE'VE ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE WERE, WE WERE TOLD TO BE AS THOROUGH AS WE COULD. RIGHT. SO WE ANTICIPATED YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR QUESTIONS, QUITE FRANKLY, WERE IN LINE WITH EXACTLY WHAT WE ANSWERED OUT OF THAT BROCHURE. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY, I WOULD WANT A CONDITION IN THERE THAT NO PERMANENT STRUCTURES CAN BE BUILT. I AGREE ON ANY OF THE LOTS. WE AGREE. UH, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD BE TWO ENTRANCES. NOW, ONE COULD BE TOTALLY GATED OFF AND RARELY EVER USED. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT THERE WAS A TRUE EMERGENCY AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE WHERE YOUR, YOUR HOME AND YOUR OFFICE AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE IS CLOGGED UP. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INGRESS AND EGRESS IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY, IN MY OPINION. UH, AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO THINK ABOUT AND LOOK AT SOME OTHER CAMPGROUNDS HERE IN THE COUNTY AND MAYBE COME UP WITH. SO I WOULD PERSONALLY ASK THAT WE TABLE THIS, WHETHER IT BE FOR ONE MONTH UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, OR WHAT, WHERE WE HAVE TIME TO DIGEST WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH MR. KNAPP, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AMONG OURSELVES BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. OKAY. I, I, I AGREE [01:30:01] WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO HAVE BETTER CONDITIONS, MORE DEFINED CONDITIONS. RIGHT. BUT JUST TO BE FAIR TO YOU, A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE COME TO MY MIND THAT I'M STILL KIND OF, UM, STRUGGLING WITH IS A TIME LIMIT. AND I THINK YOUR EXAMPLE OF THE NURSES, OR THE EXAMPLE OF FORT LEE AND THE PAINTING ARE GOOD EXAMPLES THAT MAY GO BEYOND 30 DAYS. BUT ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN SAYING. THAT A STAY IS GONNA BE LIMITED TO SOME AMOUNT OF TIME. AND 30 DAYS HAS BEEN THROWN OUT THERE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER OR NOT, BUT 30 DAYS, IT WOULD BE A TIMEFRAME AT LEAST TO KIND OF START THE DISCUSSIONS ON SO THAT THERE IS NOT A PERMANENCY HERE, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD INCLUDE US THEN, SINCE WE'RE THE PEOPLE THAT WELL, NO, NOT YOU. I, I WOULD SAY IN, IN, IN MY VISION OF THINGS, YOU GUYS BEING THE OWNER WOULD NOT, THAT WOULD NOT APPLY TO YOU. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE STAFF. YEAH. WELL, OKAY. SO, AND THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE GONNA STAY THERE AS WELL SINCE IT STARTS GETTING TO BE MORE, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORE OFTEN BECAUSE, AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF OUR PEOPLE STAYED PAST 30? DID THEY NEED TO MOVE ONE SITE AND THEN MOVE BACK? WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE MAIL. YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE NOT PERMANENT. WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT LIKE, LIKE, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THESE OTHER FOUR SITES. WE'VE, WE'VE MENTIONED SEVERAL OF US HAVE MENTIONED THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN WOULD BE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN. SO WHAT I THINK OF AN RV PARK, AND I'M NOT AN RV PERSON. OKAY? OKAY. UM, I, I JOINED, I WASN'T THE AIR FORCE, I THINK, SO I GO IN THE ARMY BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO SLEEP IN A TENT. . I WANTED TO, I I CHOSE THE, YOU LIKE THE RV LIFESTYLE. ME TOO. SO I, I, I CHOSE THE AIR FORCE FOR A GOOD REASON. BUT, UM, SO THE POINT IS THAT WHEN I THINK OF AN RV, I'M THINKING OF SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE'S AN APPEAL TO IT. IF I HAD A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND OR $304,000 TO BUY A REALLY NICE RV AND I WANTED TO TOUR THE COMP COUNTRY, I COULD ENVISION STOPPING IN A PLACE LIKE THIS FOR A NIGHT OR TWO OR THREE OR WHATEVER, AND THEN MOVES YOU ON, ON TO THE NEXT PART. BUT MY PERCEPTION IS THAT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING. MY PERCEPTION IS THEY'RE COMING IN AND HANGING OUT FOR A LOT LONGER. AND IN THE CASE OF THE FOUR WE ALREADY HAVE, THEY'RE HANGING OUT PERMANENT. AND I, I, I'M JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PERMANENCY, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU IF YOU'VE GOT THE NURSE WITH THIS SIX MONTH CONTRACT OR THE, OR THE CONSTRUCTION MUD AND THE BOOTS PERSON HAS GOT A SIX MONTH CONTRACT TO TRY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. BUT I, I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO, TO GROW INTO SOMETHING TO WHERE THIS BECOMES A DEFACTO, UM, YOU KNOW, MOBILE HOME PARK OR A DEFACTO UM, SUBDIVISION. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID. MM-HMM . AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT THAT'S KIND OF RELATED TO ME, RELATED TO THAT IS OUR COMP PLAN TODAY AND OUR NEW COMP PLAN THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING NOW SHOWS THIS AS A PLANNED GROWTH AREA. AND I WASN'T AWARE OF JUST, I, I, I GUESS MR. PHIPPS, YOU'VE OWNED THIS, YOUR FAMILY'S ON IT FOR A WHILE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THESE PARCELS ARE THE ONLY BIG PARCELS IN THIS AREA THAT ARE, REMAIN, REMAIN IN WHAT WE CALL A PLANNED GROWTH AREA. LIKE WHERE I LIVE IS, IT'S THIS SIZE PARCELS IN BIGGER, ALL AROUND. GOTCHA. BUT IT'S NOT A PLANNED GROWTH AREA. GOTCHA. AND THIS IS A PLANNED GROWTH AREA. SO I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT, ABOUT ESTABLISHING WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO IN A PLANNED GROWTH AREA, BUT I'M EVEN MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PERMANENCY. I'D LIKE TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT SAYS, THIS IS THE TIMEFRAME YOU HAVE. EVEN THOUGH I DO UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF THE, OF THE CONTRACT YOU MENTIONED. BUT WE KNOW SIX MONTHS IS ONE THING. 16 YEARS IS ANOTHER. THAT THAT'S MY THINKING. IF, IF THEY HAVE TO. WELL, CAN WE, CAN I JUST PUT THE BUG IN HERE THAT IF, WHEN YOU'RE, AND I AGREE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STRESS, I DON'T WANT TO END UP LOOKING LIKE THE OTHER CAMPGROUNDS. THIS WAS 40 YEARS THOSE GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS. AND YOU KNOW, HE MENTIONED THE FACT THAT THOSE ARE THE KINDS THAT HE HAS TROUBLE WITH. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE METH PLACES, THEY'RE THE PLACES THAT HAVE DETERIORATED IT. LOOK, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA KNOCK THEM. THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT WE'RE GONNA CHARGE ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING TO GET IN TO START WITH. WE WILL HAVE OVERNIGHT STAYS. THERE WILL BE SOME LIMITED TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE SOME OF THAT. WE CAN'T AVOID IT. AND WE WANNA BE THE PREMIER CAMPGROUND ON THE EAST COAST. AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE OVERNIGHT STAYS WHERE THE PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY STAY AND THEY GO, WOW, THERE'S 80 FEET FROM PEDESTAL TO PEDESTAL. YOU JUST DON'T GET THAT ANYWHERE ELSE. I MEAN, OUT WEST. YEAH. BUT OUT WEST YOU CAN PARK ON BLM LAND FOR FREE. RIGHT. . SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER OUT WEST, HERE ON THE EAST COAST, THEY'RE VERY LIMITED. MOST EVERYBODY IS SHOULDER TO SHOULDER. YOU HEAR YOUR NEIGHBOR TAKING A SHOWER OUT HERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT. AND AS FAR AS THE PLANNED GROWTH SIDE OF IT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 300 CAMP SITES THAT CAN'T BE SEEN BY ANYONE ELSE, THAT CANNOT BE SEEN BY ANY SIDE. THIS, THIS LOB LOLLY FARM IS COMPLETELY OVERRUN WITH STICKER BUSHES AND LOW UNDERGROWTH UNDERNEATH ALL THESE PINE TREES. [01:35:01] AND YOU CAN'T GO 20 FEET IN THERE, LET ALONE 75, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING IT. IT'S ALSO UP AN INCLINE. AND SO YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE PAVILION FROM THE, THE STREET THAT GOES INTO IT. UM, SO THAT'S GONNA GIVE A LOT OF PRIVACY FOR THE PLANNED GROWTH BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE 300 CAMPSITES THAT ARE BRINGING REVENUE TO THE COUNTY IN A, IN A, IN A GROWTH AREA THAT WOULD BE ALREADY ESTABLISHED FOR WHEN THE REST OF IT'S DIVVIED UP INTO SUBDIVISIONS. DOES YOUR BUSINESS MODEL HAVE A, UM, A, A STRATIFICATION OF, UH, TENANTS BASED ON, UH, AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY? WE ARE GOING FOR THE ONES WHO ARE STAYING 30 DAYS OR LONGER. THAT'S OUR PRIMARY GOAL. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YEAH. AND, AND SO, I MEAN, AND SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING. I WAS NOT, YOU SAY 30 DAYS OR LONGER. THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR TARGET MARKET. YES, SIR. WE WANNA GET THE NURSES, THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS. OH, WE WANT TO GET THE GUYS WHO ARE COMING IN HERE AND NEED A PLACE. WE ARE GONNA GO TO THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND LET 'EM KNOW WE EXIST. AND THAT WAY THEY CAN SEND IN THEIR, THEIR CREWS AND THEY CAN STAY HERE. LIKE WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THE SITE DOWN IN PRINCE GEORGE, WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE DRONE FACTORY, WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING ANOTHER ALDI DISTRIBUTION CENTER OR A WAGON DISTRIBUTION CENTER, WE WANT THOSE GUYS TO COME AND STAY WITH US. I WELCOME 'EM WITH OPEN, OPEN ARMS TO MY BACKYARD. AND AS FAR AS CONTINUATION, I AGREE WITH YOU. THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S PUT INTO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT THIS, THIS CONTINUES, THESE RULES, OR, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANNA WORD IT WOULD BE CONTINUE TO THE NEXT OWNER. YOUR, YOUR, YOUR STATEMENT. EXCUSE ME. UM, THE STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE TO ME TAKES IT AWAY FROM BEING AN RV CAMPGROUND. YOU DID THIS STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE AS FAR AS I'M, AS FAR AS MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE IS CONCERNED. GOTCHA. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AN RV CAMPGROUND, I'M THINKING, UM, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF AN UPSCALED. KOA, I MEAN, YOU, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE, THE SIZE AND THE ABILITY TO DIMENSIONS BE ABLE TO BACK STUFF IN MM-HMM . BUT TO ME IT'S, YOU'RE DEFINING UPSCALED. KOA WHERE I PULL MY, TAKE MY FAMILY FOR A WEEKEND, WE GO OFF AND WE COME DOWN AND WE BACK IN. WE ARE THERE FOR TWO, THREE DAYS AND THEN IT'S BACK TO WORK. YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THOUGH THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE SIX MONTH PEOPLE. THAT'S NOT, TO ME, THAT'S NOT A CAMPGROUND. I, THAT'S MORE, UH, OF TRYING TO DEAL WITH LACK OF, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE TRANS TRANSIENT HOUSING. TRANSIENT. YEAH. UH, WELL, THAT REALLY CHANGES A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR ME. . YEAH. AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS WILL NOT BE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY THE CAMPER TO START WITH. IT HAS TO BE MODERN. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. BUT, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO PAY CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT PER MONTH TO STAY THERE UNDER THE LABEL OF A CAMPGROUND. RVS, YOU'RE TRYING TO REALLY ESTABLISH, UH, OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO STAY LONG TERM. THEY, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T STAY LONGER THAN YOU'LL LET 'EM, YOU JUST SAID MONTHS. YEAH. THAT'S, THEY ALSO CAN'T STAY HERE UNLESS THEY'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING UP. EVERYTHING LOOKS FANTASTIC. ALL OF THE RVS ARE MOBILE READY TO GO AT ANY TIME. IT STATES RIGHT. IN OUR, UM, RULES AND REGULATIONS, THEY HAVE TO BE OPERABLE. THEY'RE, THEY CAN'T BE WORKED ON BEING WORKED ON AND HAVING ISSUES WHEN THEY'RE NOT MOBILE. IF YOU DO NOT KEEP YOUR SITE UP, YOU'RE OUT. YOU HAVE A LICENSE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, . BUT OTHERWISE THEY'RE OUT. CAN'T. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THE LICENSE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING HUNG UP. THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME. AND, AND YOU'RE SAYING UP TO SIX MONTHS, WHICH TO ME DOES NOT MEAN IT'S JUST A CAMPGROUND. IT WOULD BE MORE LONG TRANSIT HOUSING OF YOUR OWN HOUSE. PULL YOUR HOUSE HERE, PARK IT FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN YOU GOTTA MOVE ON. THAT'S, IT'S YOUR HOUSE. YOU CAN PARK IT HERE FOR SIX MONTHS, BUT THEN YOU GOTTA MOVE ON. THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I IDENTIFY AS A CAMPGROUND. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ME. GOTCHA. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. I DON'T IDENTIFY THAT AS A CAMPGROUND. OH, FOR SIX MONTHS. THAT'S TOO LONG. IS THERE ANY OTHER WORD THAT YOU COULD USE THAT INSTEAD OF INTENDED THAT [01:40:01] WOULD GIVE US SOME DEFINITION OF LIMITS ABOUT HOW FAR THIS CAN GO? EITHER WAY? UH, INTENDED MEANS YOU, YOU HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF DOING IT A CERTAIN WAY, AS LONG AS THINGS STAY LIKE THEY ARE AT THE PRESENT TIME. BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD, WELL, WE INTEND TO DO THAT, BUT WE REALLY COULDN'T AFFORD IT. UH, WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T BUY ANOTHER LOAD OF ROCK. WE COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, DRAIN THE POND AND, AND GET WHATEVER WE MR. MR. CHAIR INTENDED. DOESN'T GIVE US ANYTHING TO WORK WITH. YES, SIR. SO MAYBE THERE'S A, A, MAYBE IF THIS THING IS TABLED, PERHAPS YOU CAN GO BACK AND REFLECT ON THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY OF MAKING US, UM, MORE COMFORTABLE. NOW, KEEP IN MIND WE'VE GOT SEVEN PEOPLE HERE. EVERYBODY VOTES INDEPENDENTLY AND OURS IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS. AND THEN THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ABOUT THAT. SO OUR JOB IS TO VET YEAH. THIS CASE AS BEST WE CAN WITH THE INFORMATION PROVIDED. UM, YOU KNOW, I I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE BLESSED IN DENVER COUNTY TO HAVE YOU FOLKS LIVE HERE. I REALLY DO. I MEAN, YOU'RE THE KIND OF FOLKS WE NEED. UH, AND I, I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUS BY THE TIME YOU PUT IN THE WAY YOU CONDUCT YOURSELF, THAT KIND OF THING. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, HAVE SOME REASSURANCES THAT YOU KNOW IT GOING, IT'LL GO THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO GO. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR, GO AHEAD. IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME OF THIS STUFF STRAIGHT BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING WHERE WE CAN FINALIZE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE DO HAVE A FEW OTHER THINGS TO, TO GO THROUGH TONIGHT. CAN I ASK MARK OR MIKE TO KIND OF HELP US GO THROUGH THE TABLING TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? YOU, YOU HAVE A HUNDRED DAYS FROM WHEN THE APPLICATION FIRST COMES AT YOU TO, UH, MAKE A DECISION. SO TABLING IT FOR NEXT MEETING IS NO LEGAL PROBLEM. OKAY. IN FACT, I, I WOULD ALMOST RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THESE, WHAT WHAT THE ISSUE IS, AND THIS IS ME JUST FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, IS THE CONDITIONS AREN'T DETAILED ENOUGH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. ROBINSON'S REALLY HAD, IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK THE APPLICANT AND MR. ROBINSON AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO WORK TOGETHER TOO. 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF THAT Y'ALL SAID THAT YOU INTEND TO DO. AND THAT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO CONDITIONS. WHATEVER YOU CON THAT'S WHAT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS, IS THAT WHATEVER YOUR CONCERNS ARE, YOU ADDRESS 'EM IN THE CONDITIONS. AND THE CONDITIONS DO JUST TO BELAY THAT TOO. 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES. I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT. IT'S JUST LIKE ZONING. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU PUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON SOMETHING, THEY PUT IT ON THE ZONING MAP THAT IT'S ZONE X OR WHATEVER IT IS WITH CONDITIONS. AND SO THOSE CONDITIONS STAY WITH THAT LAND IF IT'S SOLD. SO, SO IT STICKS WITH IT, IT RUNS WITH THE LAND. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CONCERNS AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ARE REFLECTED IN THESE CONDITIONS, WILL STAY ON AT THE PRESENT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE. THEY'RE GOING TO SECOND AND DISCUSS THAT, THAT WE ARE GOING TO TABLE IT, UH, FOR UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING OR UNTIL, UH, SUFFICIENT PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE ON DEFINING THE CONDITIONS BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. SO IF IT DOES IT IN 30 DAYS, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE'VE GOT UP TO A HUNDRED DAYS FOR THAT PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND TO THE POINT WHERE THE STAFF AND YOU FOLKS ARE, THINK YOU'VE GIVEN YOUR BEST SHOT BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD US SAY TONIGHT. GOTCHA. IS THAT FAIR? THAT SOUNDS GOOD. YES, SIR. NOT WHAT YOU WANTED HERE, I'M SURE . NO, THAT'S OKAY. SECOND A MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FORWARD TO DEFER. WE GOT A MOTION SECOND, I GUESS TO A QUESTION THOUGH. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. A QUESTION BEFORE YOU GET TO THE VOTE PART. GO AHEAD, SIR. NOW, ONE THING IT'S TELLING THOUGH, THAT YOU MENTIONED TO ME, UM, WHEN IN RESPONSE TO MY QUESTION THAT IS, WAS I, WHEN I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE STRATIFICATION OF YOUR BUSINESS MODEL, WHAT I WAS HOPING TO HEAR YOU SAY WAS AT 300, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE TO MAYBE HAVE TWO 50 OR SOME NUMBER THAT WAS UNDER A MONTH AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. BUT YOUR ANSWER WAS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT YOUR BUSINESS MODEL IS TO HAVE, IS TO HAVE SIX MONTHS OR LONGER OR, OR SIX, I'M SORRY, JUST AROUND SIX MONTHS, A MONTH, A MONTH OR LONGER. YES, SIR. YEAH. AND SO, UM, I, PART OF ME SAYS IF THAT, IF THAT'S THE, YOUR MESSAGE, I'M NOT SURE IF A HUNDRED DAYS IS GOING TO DO IT FOR ME. 'CAUSE THAT SOUNDS, YOU SEEM PRETTY RESOLUTE, I GUESS, IN THAT. [01:45:01] BUT I'M WILLING TO, IN THE SPIRIT OF TRYING TO BE COLLABORATIVE, I'M WILLING TO VOTE ALONG WITH THAT. BUT I, I HAVE THAT DEEP CONCERN. I JUST WANT, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE CONCERN WOULD BE ABOUT HAVING PEOPLE LIVE IN DUN WITTY COUNTY LONGER THAN 30 DAYS? YEAH, SO I ASKED, AGAIN, I WAS FASCINATED BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FOUR CAMPGROUND OR FIVE, I GUESS WITH THE RACETRACK. I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE. BUT THE FOUR THAT WE HAVE, AND THE, THE ISSUES THAT THEY, THAT WE DEAL WITH THERE ARE ALL PASSE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 35 YEARS, THEIR GRANDFATHER, WHATEVER. SO HERE'S THE VERY FIRST TIME ONE OF THESE HAS COME UP THAT WE HAVE SOME ABILITY TO HAVE INPUT ON. GOTCHA. AND SO IN THAT SPIRIT, UM, I HAD THIS VISION OF BY AND LARGE, MOST PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA BE THERE FOR A DAY OR TWO OR MAYBE A WEEK AND MOVE ON. AND SO, UM, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, IT REALLY, I WAS SHOCKED WHEN YOU SAID JUST THE OPPOSITE. GOTCHA. AND SAID YOU WERE LOOKING AT BEYOND THAT YOUR BUSINESS MODEL WAS WAY BEYOND THAT. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE AN RV PARK SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S THERE FOR, AS I SAID EARLIER, SOMEBODY COMES IN AND MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND, UH, THEY'RE PASSING THROUGH, THEY'RE GOING FROM PENNSYLVANIA TO SOUTH CAROLINA AND THEY WANT TO STOP AND SEE FIVE FORKS AND THE PETERSBURG BATTLEFIELDS, WHATEVER, AND THEY STOP FOR A WEEK OR SO AND MOVE ON. AND THEN, UM, WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOUR BUSINESS MODEL THOUGH, IS REALLY MORE LONGER TERM, THAT THAT CHANGES THINGS FOR ME QUITE A BIT. AND I'M NOT, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COULD BE HARD TO CODIFY, RIGHT? YEAH, I, I SUPPOSE SO. YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LONG-TERM CAMPING OR HOMESCHOOLING, THEY ARE THE KIND THAT STAY IN THEIR CAMPER FOR WORK. SO THEY NEED A BROADBAND WIFI, WHICH WE'LL PROVIDE. UM, AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WE'RE GOING AFTER. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW SELLING THEIR HOMES. THEY'RE MINIMALIST LIVING, THEY'RE ECO ECOLOGY DRIVEN. THEY WANNA LIVE IN A CAMPGROUND BECAUSE IT HAS LESS FOOTPRINT, LESS DAMAGE, IF YOU WILL. UM, AND SO THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING FOR. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO DO THIS BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH REGULATION THAT CAN BE PUT ON THE GRANDFATHER CAMPGROUND. SO WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT, YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE. WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR BUSINESS MODEL. I CAN MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF WE DID THE OVERNIGHT STAYS. BUT THAT'S NOT THE PER I'M TRYING TO MEET A NEED. MY WIFE AND I ARE REALTORS. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE SEE THE NEED FOR THIS BECAUSE WE WERE HOPING THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH CAMPGROUNDS ACROSS THE EAST COAST. WE WERE HOPING, LOOKING THROUGH OUR PAPERWORK, THAT YOU ALL WOULD SEE HOW VASTLY DIFFERENT WE ARE FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE. YEAH. AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ATTRACTING THE SAME KIND OF FOLKS. UM, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT OUR CAMPGROUND IS VERSUS WHAT THESE OTHERS THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE ARE WITH ALL OF THEIR PROBLEMS AND ISSUES THAT THEY MAY COME WITH MR. CHAIR. I'M GONNA STATE AGAIN, TO THE APPLICANT'S WHAT, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS TONIGHT. THAT THESE IDEAS ARE NOT IN THE CONDITIONS AND YOU REALLY NEED TO TALK TO PLANNING TO GET THAT DOWN INTO DETAIL. I THINK WE'VE CAUGHT WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE. OKAY. WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE CONDI, WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAIL AND THE CONDITIONS. YES, SIR. AND IF Y'ALL WORK WITH PLANNING, UH, IS LEGAL, WE'D BE GLAD TO LOOK OVER THEM TOO. THANK YOU. SO I, I GUESS WE ARE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT ANIMAL TOO, THEN WE HAVE BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO DEALING, BUT WE ACCUSTOMED DEALING WITH, UH, SUBDIVISIONS. GOTCHA. AND WE ALL SEEM TO HAVE AN IDEA THAT'S PRETTY SIMILAR ABOUT WHAT AN RV CAMPGROUND LOOKS LIKE. AND THIS IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND IT, IT, IT REQUIRES US TO THINK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN WE HAVE ON SURE. SUBDIVISION OR YES SIR. CAMP, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CALL A CAMPGROUND. SO IF YOU CAN GIVE US A LITTLE TIME TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION, THEN WE CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ASK FOR A SECOND? I, NO, I, I MEAN, I, I THINK THEY GOT A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL. I MEAN, 'CAUSE I, I WORKED CONTRACT WORK FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE I GOT, GOT GOT ON AT DOMINION, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THAT. BUT I, I, I STILL, I STILL WONDER WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE WATER. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU GOT 300, BASICALLY 300 HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE THAT YOU GOTTA SUPPLY WATER TO. YEAH. IT'S 30,000 GALLONS A DAY. YEAH. WELL, ALRIGHT. YEAH. AND IT'S 30,000 GALLONS OF WASTEWATER WE GOTTA DEAL WITH TOO. AND THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T, THAT'S WHY DENWOOD COUNTY SAID, PLEASE DON'T TAP INTO OUR SYSTEM UNDERSTAND. AND WE HAVE A PLAN. I UNDERSTAND. WE DO HAVE A PLAN. WE'VE TALKED TO DR. GREG MONET, THE SOIL SCIENTIST. I, I UNDERSTAND. ALRIGHT SIR. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. AND [01:50:01] HAS BEEN MADE TO TABLE IT. UH, IT WAS SECOND. I MEAN, AND SECONDED BY MR. TUCKER. YES. UH, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH US. UM, IF THERE NO MORE, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I JUST WANTED TO ASK MR. I JUST WANTED TO ASK MR. JURY ONE QUESTION. YES. UM, ARE WE, ARE WE DOING THE COMPLETE 30, 60, 90 OR ARE WE JUST, JUST GOING, I CAN PUT DEFERRED OR, 'CAUSE I HEARD THE HUNDRED DAYS. SO THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT OF DEFERRAL. THE PC HAS THE RIGHT TO TABLE. AND WHAT I HEARD WAS A MOTION FOR, FOR 30 DAYS TO TABLE IT AT LEAST 30 DAYS. RIGHT. AND IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S READY AT THE END OF THOSE 30 DAYS AND THE, AND THE PLANNING STAFF, THEY'LL TALK TO THE APPLICANT AND THEY CERTAINLY CAN DEFER IT LONGER THAN THAT. SO I'M OKAY TO PUT 30 DAYS THEN IS WHAT I'M ASKING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. UN. UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO, UM, UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO ASK FOR A DEFERRAL. WE, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AT THAT. YEAH, WE JUST GO. WE ALRIGHT. OKAY. UH, C DASH 23 DASH THREE IS, MR. TIPMAN MADE A MOTION. MR. TUCKER SECONDED FOR DEFERRAL FOR 30 DAYS TABLE, NO TABLED FOR 30 DAYS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. TUS? YES. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. HARVILLE? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. AND DR. PROSCI? YES. C DASH 23 DASH THREE HAS BEEN TABLED FOR 30 DAYS. ALL MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE WELCOME TO STAY IN HERE. ALL THE EXCITING COMMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE MADE ABOUT OLD BUSINESS AND NEW BUSINESS . UH, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, GENTLEMEN. YES, SIR. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA IS OLD [11.OLD BUSINESS] BUSINESS, UH, BASSETT. UH, YES. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO, UH, COMMENT ON ONE ITEM. UH, WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT IT OUR VERY BRIEFLY AT OUR WORKSHOP MEETING. UM, MR. ROBINSON ESPECIALLY, UM, HAS STILL BEEN, UH, LOOKING INTO, UH, AMONG HIS, AS ALSO WAS MENTIONED AS MANY OTHER DUTIES. HE'S BEEN LOOKING INTO THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS WORKSHOP, HE GAVE KIND OF A GENERAL, UH, INTRODUCTION TO THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND, UM, STILL YOU ALL INDICATED THAT YOU WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LOOKING MORE, HAVING STAFF LOOK MORE INTO THAT AND BRING SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BACK TO YOU ALL. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UM, BRAD AND MYSELF WERE STILL CONTINUING, UH, THAT WORK AND, UM, PROBABLY NOT AT YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING, BUT PERHAPS AT LOOKING AT YOUR MARCH MEETING, UM, BE ABLE TO BRING, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, TO YOU ALL RELATED TO THAT AND FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. AND, UH, MR. ROBINSON HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE, UH, BEEN ASKING US ABOUT THE PROGRESS RELATED TO THAT AND THAT THAT'S BEEN CONVEYED TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS AS WELL. UM, AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER OLD BUSINESS? NO. MR. CHAIR STAFF OR PLANNING COMMISSION? I GOT ONE THING. I'M, I'M, I'M KIND OF HESITANT, BUT I'M WANT TO ASK A QUESTION FOR THE BENEFIT OF Y'ALL TO HEAR THE ANSWER. SO I KNOW, UM, I KNOW LAST MONTH, I THINK EVERY, YOU WERE THE ONE THAT MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD, UH, HAD, UM, I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL HAD CONTACT FROM THE, UH, LILY POND. OH YEAH. AND UM, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I DID THERE WAS I SAID I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO MEET WITH 'EM, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THEM GIVE ME THEIR, UH, UH, BRIEFING ON WHAT'S BEEN UPDATED. AND THEY SENT ME A ONE PAGER. DID ANYBODY ELSE GET THAT ONE PAGER ON, ON WHAT THE CHANGES ARE? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO ASK ABOUT, I'M, I'M ASKING IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A STANDARD DEFINITION HERE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR ONE PAGER WAS THAT THEY HAD MADE A NET ZERO, THEY WERE NET ZERO IN TERMS OF, UM, IMPACT TO AGRICULTURE. AND I THOUGHT MY REACTION TO IT WAS, NO, YOU'RE 100% AFFECTING AGRICULTURE. AND I'M GUESSING THAT THE REASON THAT THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN MY PERCEPTION AND WHAT THEY WROTE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AFFECTING CROP LAND. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE AFFECTING [01:55:01] EVERYTHING BUT CROP LAND. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A STANDARD DEFINITION ON THAT? BECAUSE TO ME IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING. UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK AT IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. I LOOKED AT IT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I WAS LIKE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IS THEY'RE NOT GOING AND PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON CONCRETE. THEY'RE PUTTING IT ON FOREST LAND. SO THERE IS NO STANDARD DEFINITION TO THAT. NO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. NO. AND WE DO ADDRESS BOTH OF THOSE IN OUR, UM, SOLAR ORDINANCE THAT WE ADOPTED, UM, CROPLAND AND, UM, FORESTAL, TIMBERLAND OR FORESTRY, UM, PRODUCTION, FORESTRY, WHATEVER. WELL, SO MAYBE THEY WERE, MAYBE THEY WERE WRITING IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCE THEN IF IT IS A D IF IT'S A DIFFERENT DEFINITION. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. UM, OUR, OUR ORDINANCE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES BOTH. SO I I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO 'CAUSE THEY DO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT I, I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THEY ONLY ADDRESSED IT RELATED TO CROPLAND. OKAY. I, I COULD BE MISTAKEN. BUT MY INITIAL REVIEW THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS TO ME AS WELL, THAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT TAKING FORESTRY INTO ACCOUNT AS AGRICULTURE. RIGHT. I DON'T BELIEVE. RIGHT. I COULD BE WRONG. AND I THINK THE MODEL THEY'RE FOLLOWING IS LIKE WETLANDS. LIKE WE, WE CAN DISTURB WETLANDS OVER HERE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GO AND BUY LAND OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE IT A WETLAND. AND SO YOU GOT, YOU DESTROY 10 ACRES OF WETLAND AND THEN OVER HERE WE ARE GOING TO BUY 10 ACRES AND ANOTHER WET. SO YOU GOT ZERO SUM. THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. I DUNNO IF THAT'S ANY OTHER, UH, OLD BUSINESS. OKAY. UH, [12.NEW BUSINESS] NEW BUSINESS, MR. BASSETT. UH, I HAVE NO NEW BUSINESS. MR. CHAIR. WILL, WILL WE STILL BE HERE IN LILY POND NEXT MONTH? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'VE ASKED THEM ABOUT A CITING AGREEMENT BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T DO A CITING AGREEMENT, THEY HAVE TO DO, SHOW THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THAT HAS NOT REALLY BEEN ADDRESSED, UM, DIRECTLY IN THEIR APPLICATION. SO I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH 'EM AND THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN ME AN ANSWER ON THAT. SO, 'CAUSE IF WE ADVERTISE IT, WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE, YOU KNOW, THE THREE SEPARATE, THE, THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN, THE REZONING AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO, UM, HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN ANSWER BACK FROM THEM ON, ON THAT. MR. CHAIR, LET ME ASK A QUESTION. YES, SIR. THIS IS MY, UH, YOU KNOW, I HEAR SOLA AND SURY AND I HEAR IT HERE AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A CUTE NAME. AND WHICH ONE IS LILY POND? THATS THE INTERJECTS, THE INTERJECT SOLAR. THAT WAS GONNA BE THE BIG ONE OUT, UH, BRICK ROAD AND HALIFAX. AND DID Y'ALL CARSON ROAD, DID Y'ALL TURN THAT DOWN OR WAS IT UM, WE PASSED IT. THE BOARD TURNED IT DOWN, BUT THEY'RE BRINGING IT BACK. AND THAT'S BEEN A YEAR. IT, IF WE HAVE SPLIT, UH, SIX MONTHS, THEY, WE HAVE SIX MONTHS ON. WE HAD A COUPLE, COUPLE OF THAT, BUT WE DID. BUT YEAH, THEY MET THIS LEVEL AND IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A YEAR. . YEAH. I, I, I WAS, MOST COUNTIES, THAT ORDINANCE SAYS YOU CAN'T BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR A YEAR. AND MARK'S REMINDED ME THAT DENWITTY SAYS SIX MONTHS. I JUST WANNA LET Y'ALL KIND OF, OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S THE REASON I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED. IT WAS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE RIGHT ONE, BUT SURPRISED IT WAS COMING BACK THIS QUICK. YEAH, I DID NOT GET THAT SINGLE PAGE THAT YOU MENTIONED, SAM. AND, UM, WELL I DID RESPOND WHEN THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO MEET WITH ME, LIKE THEY WANTED TO MEET WITH EACH OF US. UM, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR EVERYTHING YOU SAID AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THAT WAS THE LAST I HEARD FROM. SO A COUPLE OF SALIENT POINTS OFF OF THAT. IT SAYS THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S FIVE BULLETS HERE, PRIORITIZING AGRICULTURAL PRESERVATION. THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE THE NET ZERO IMPACT ON AGRICULTURE THAT I WAS QUESTIONING THE, UM, UM, UH, A WHILE AGO. AMERICAN ENERGY INDEPENDENCE BY AMERICAN COMMITMENT, LOCAL INVESTMENT, WHICH RELATES TO THE REVENUE THAT WOULD COME TO THE COUNTY. UH, WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND THEN THIS WAS INTERESTING TOO BECAUSE THIS HAS CHANGED OVER TIME AND I, I THINK IT WAS IT'S REFLECTIVE OF, UH, OF IMPROVING TECHNOLOGY, BUT THEY, THEIR, THEIR PROJECT NOW IS 80 MEGAWATTS THAT WILL BE LOCATED ON LESS THAN 500 ACRES. SO THOSE ARE THE SALIENT POINTS IN THE ONE PAGER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, WE'LL BE MOVED TO NUMBER 13, WHAT YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ALL NIGHT LONG [13.REVIEW OF BY-LAWS] REVIEW OF BYLAWS AND, AND WE WANT TO HEAR, UH, MR. DREW READ 'EM ALL . SO WE'LL TURN OVER STAFF. I'LL SEND IT TO YOU BY EMAIL. [02:00:01] TURN OVER STAFF FOR WHAT YOU, UH, NEED FOR US TO HEAR OR DO. UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS INCLUDE THOSE IN YOUR PACKET FOR ANY, UM, COMMENTS, ANY ITEMS THAT YOU MAY WANNA UPDATE OR CHANGE. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL ON THAT RELATED TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT OR OVER THE PAST YEAR THAT WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. I GREAT. DO WE NEED A MOTION, UH, TO ACCEPT? I, I THINK WHAT MARK IS SAYING IS MAYBE Y'ALL CAN JUST BRIEFLY LOOK OVER THEM BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MEETING. AND IF Y'ALL WANT ANY CHANGES MADE, WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT. AND IF NOT, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. SOME, I THINK NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT OF HANDS BEHIND THE TABLE. WE ALL AGREED. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. SO, SO IT, IT IS JUST A GOOD IDEA FOR THE BOARDS TO, YOU KNOW, SO MANY BOARDS AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS. I'VE BEEN AROUND, IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE THEY'VE EVEN LOOKED AT THE PLANNING. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING ANNUALLY AND I APPRECIATE MARK AND STAFF DOING THAT, SO THAT'S GREAT. JUST A, UH, WELL WE ARE GOING TO, UH, HAVE A CHANCE BETWEEN NOW, NEXT MEETING TO RESPOND ANYWAY, WE THINK THE PROGRAM OKAY. REVIEW OF, UH, [14.REVIEW CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF CONDUCT] CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF CONDUCT. I'LL KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON SAME THING AS THAT ON WHAT, UH, FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS, RIGHT. AS NUMBER WELL, MR. JURY INDICATED THAT'S OKAY WITH THE, YEAH. OKAY. YES. UH, AND THEN, [15.COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] UH, NUMBER 15, PLANNING COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. I'M READY TO GO. I, I HAVE SOME, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALRIGHT, MR. , I WANT TO ONE, ONE MINUTE, TWO MINUTES. ALL YOU NEED, I JUST WANNA SAY WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH TONIGHT, UM, IS, HAS BEEN, UM, QUITE A BIT. BUT WHAT WE, UH, WHAT WE ARE SPENDING OUR TIME, WHAT WE HAVE SPENT OUR TIME ON IS THE FACT THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE CAMP, THE RV CAMP SITUATION, AND WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT LONG TERM CAMPING. RIGHT. AND SO, UM, FROM MY EXPERIENCE AT THE, WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THE CAMPGROUND AT, AT THE, AT THE, UM, RACETRACK, I'VE HAD ACTUALLY DELIVERED GRAVEL TO A CUSTOMER WHO WAS, WHO HAS A CAMP, UH, CAMPSITE, THE CAMPSITE THERE, INDICATING HE'S TED THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND SO I, I GUESS THAT, AND, AND I COULD BE WRONG, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS THE TAX BASE THAT WE ARE, THAT THE COUNTY IS MISSING FROM THE, THOSE TYPE OF RESIDENTS, UH, WE'RE NOT GETTING THEM. UM, AND THAT MAY BE A, MAY BE A ISSUE FOR US AND, AND, UH, SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK INTO. BUT, UH, JUST MY EXPERIENCE, UM, THIS PAST COUPLE WEEKS, I, UM, I HAD AN ACRE OF LAND THAT'S, I'VE HAD IT OVER 40 YEARS. AND, UM, I DECIDED TO PUT A, WELL, MY NEPHEW WANTED A PLACE TO STAY, SO WE GOT A, UM, I GOT A SINGLE WIDE, AND I PUT IT ON ON THERE. MR. GIRL IS AWARE OF IT, UM, FOR MY, FOR MY NEPHEW, RIGHT. AND BEFORE I, I HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED, UM, GETTING IT ALL SET UP, BUT ALREADY I WENT THERE AND ALL ALREADY ON THE DOOR AS A, AS A, A LITTLE, A LITTLE PIECE OF CARD THAT SAYS, WE ARE THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUES. WE'VE BEEN HERE AND WE OBSESS, WE OBSESS YOUR PROPERTY ALREADY . SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, UM, I THINK WHAT WE ARE LOSING OUT ON THESE, THESE LONG TERM CAMPUSES IS, IS COUNTY TAXES, REAL ESTATE TAXES. SO, UM, MAYBE THERE MAY BE SOME ROUTE THAT THE COUNTY CAN, CAN START LOOKING AT TO IF WE ADAPT EVEN THESE PROPOSALS, THIS PROPOSAL TONIGHT, MAYBE SOMEHOW WE CAN DEVELOP, THE COUNTY CAN DEVELOP SOME WAY TO, TO GET, UM, TAXES OUT OF THE PERSON THAT STAYS THERE FOR SIX, SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WE SAID WE GOT 30 DAYS TO LOOK OVER ALL OF THIS, AND OF COURSE THAT CAN'T HAPPEN IN 30 DAYS. BUT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. EXCELLENT POINT. WELL THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED, UM, THE IDEA THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ORDINANCE TO COVER THIS BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES ARE ALL ANCIENT HISTORY REALLY. RIGHT, RIGHT. 35, 40 YEARS AGO. AND, UH, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. SO DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO TREAT THESE KINDS OF THINGS THE SAME WAY AS, [02:05:01] 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASING YOUR CONDITIONAL, UM, USE ON A TWO AND A LONG LIST OF LIKE UP TO 70 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. SO IF, IF THIS IS, UM, I JUST WONDER IF IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE ADDRESSED IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCES THAN, THAN CONDITIONAL USES FOR THAT. AND, AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS MM-HMM . AND I, THAT'S WHAT I MADE. THE COMMENT IS IT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN WE'VE EVER HAD TO DEAL WITH BEFORE AND WE DON'T HAVE A MODEL TO, TO LOOK AT, TO SAY THIS IS WHAT, AND, AND THE TAX THING IS, IS AN EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT SUGGESTION, UH, IS THAT IT'S ALMOST AN END AROUND RUN, IF YOU WILL, TO PROVIDE NOT NECESSARILY LOW INCOME HOUSING, BUT TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE THAN WE, THAN WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT. AND THAT PROBABLY A GREAT BUSINESS MODEL. SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS YOU ASKED HER ABOUT THE STRATER? I I'M WONDERING IS HE SAID, YOU KNOW, 300 I, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING, BUT I I JUST DON'T ENVISION HIM OPENING THAT PARK AND WITHIN A YEAR HAVING 300 PEOPLE IN THERE. I I MAYBE HE CAN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WELL IF, IF HE'S GOING TO A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AROUND AND ALL, IT'LL BE EASY TO GET 300 PEOPLE. YEAH. I MEAN IF HE SAYS HE WE, WE ARE GONNA GO OVERTLY GO OUT AND CONTACT BIG COMPANIES WHO HAVE BIG PROJECTS IN THIS AREA AND LET 'EM KNOW THAT WE CAN HELP THEM OUT AND, AND PROVIDE THEM AN OPTION. I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD MARKETING REALLY. SO, SO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT IT NOT BEING, BEING A DIFFERENT ANIMAL, SOME OF THE, AGAIN, I THINK, UH, WHY WE WOULD WANNA MAYBE CONSIDER THIS AS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ZONING, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF, OF, OF, OF SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE DON'T LIKE PRIVATE ROADS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED THE IDEA THAT THAT THAT, THAT IN THIS CASE, THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL SAID, WELL YOU GOTTA GO TO THE POST OFFICE. BUT, SO IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE, WE'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT NOT ONLY FIRE AND EMS, BUT WE'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SCHOOL BUSES, THINK ABOUT, UM, DELIVERIES. YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED AS WELL, RIGHT? WELL IF THIS PROBABLY IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A MAILBOX, SO YOU GOTTA GO DOWN TO THE POST OFFICE ACROSS FROM BT HALL GRAVES OR DO THEY PUT UP A BIG MASSIVE POSTAL STAND WITH BOXES OUT AT THE GATE? I GUESS YOU COULD, THAT YOU CAN RENT. I MEAN LISTEN, I'VE JUST, JUST THROWING THIS IDEA OUT TO YOU TOO. AND OF COURSE WE'RE NOT HERE TO BEAT THIS AND I WAS TRYING TO GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND THEY NEEDED TO TALK TO, TO PLANNING TO TRY TO GET THE STUFF DONE. BUT YOU CAN PUT A LIMIT ON HOW LONG A TRAILER CAN STAY ON THE PARCEL PERIOD. AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TAXATION TOO. AND LARRY STEVENS IS MORE EXPERT IN THIS THAN, THAN I, WHICH PER YOU PAY PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES ON THESE RVS, BUT IT'S GONNA BE WHERE YOU LICENSE THEM. YEAH. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT LORI PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THIS, BUT THE PERSON THAT IS PERMANENTLY DOWN IN WHERE PICTURE LAKE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SHE COULD PROBABLY TAX 'EM. YOU UNDERSTAND ME IF SHE KNEW IT AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S THAT, AND OF COURSE YOU GOT HOSPITALITY TAXES AND STUFF THE COUNTY COULD OPPOSE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH AN ORDINANCE. BUT, UH, SO THERE'S A WAY TO TAX IT. BUT I MEAN, WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE, MY WIFE AND I GOT A, JUST A SMALL, NOT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, TRAVEL TRAILER TOO. AND WE'VE GONE INTO CAMP GRINDS, BUT EVERY CAMPGROUND I'VE EVER BEEN IN IS, IS SUNDAY NIGHT. THERE'S NOBODY THERE IF YOU UNDERSTAND ME AND GONE. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE WHAT I ENVISION, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SIGN AT THE ROAD AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T WANNA STAY. AND I DON'T, I MEAN I I WE TRY TO BE AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHEN WE'RE CAMPING . AND SO YOU NOT DON'T WANT TO GO INTO A PERMIT, YOU CAN'T RUN. WELL THAT'S A HUGE, YEAH, THAT'S IT. IF YOU WANNA BE AWAY FROM PEOPLE, THAT'D BE A GOOD ONE TO STAY IN. BUT IF HE'S GONNA HAVE IT FILLED UP WITH PEOPLE THAT'S STAYING THERE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AT A TIME, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO GET YOU ONE. AND WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SEE DAN AND SURREY AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. 'CAUSE SURY HAS THE POWER OUTAGES, WHICH BUTCH IS FAMILIAR WITH, WHAT, TWO TIMES A YEAR. AND THEY, CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE STRUGGLE TO FIND PLACES TO STAY. AND I HAVE GOT, I KNOW ONE GENTLEMAN IN SURRY COUNTY THAT'S GOT A, I'M GONNA CALL IT A TRAILER PARK. HE MIGHT CALL IT THE RV PARK, BUT UM, THEY DO BRING IN THE RVS DURING THAT OUTAGE. BUT I WOULD SAY 80% OF THEM STAY THERE. I MEAN THE TRAILER IS THERE, LIKE THERE'S ONE ON ALL THE TIME. THERE'S ONE ON THE ROAD INTO TO HOG ISLAND OR WHATEVER AND THERE'S ONE ON ROUTE 10. THAT'S THE ONES I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE ONE INTO HOG ISLAND. YEAH. [02:10:01] AND NOW AGAIN, 80% OF 'EM ARE NEVER MOVED. SO, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING IT FOR. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE NEED 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, BUT UM, BUT YOU CERTAINLY CAN PUT A LIMIT ON HOW LONG, AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MOVE IT FROM SITE TO SITE. NO, YOU CAN PUT A LIMIT ON HOW LONG SOMEBODY CAN STAY THERE IF IT'S A CONCERN. 'CAUSE I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE IT. WELL, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE DISCUSSION AND THE COMMENTS. UH, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE COMMENTS ARE RIGHT ON TRACK, RIGHT ON TRACK IN AGREEMENT WITH EACH OTHER. SO I THINK IT WOULD GIVE US A PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION TO FOLLOW UP. I THINK. I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST THING IS YOU CAN PUT ALL YOU WANT ON THERE, BUT THE HARDEST IS POLICING IT. YEP. IT'S OBVIOUS IN MY OPINION ON WHAT'S HERE NOW. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU SAID THAT WITHIN A MONTH OF PUTTING UP THE TRAILER ON YOUR, FOR YOUR NEPHEW, YOU HAD THE LITTLE CARD ON THE DOOR. ON THE DOOR. UM, SO WHAT ABOUT THESE OTHER FOUR LOCATIONS THAT, THAT WE KNOW, OR AT LEAST WHAT I'M HEARING SOME OF Y'ALL SAY, IS THERE SOME PERMANENT PEOPLE, LIKE THE FOLKS WHO ARE DELIVERING GRAVEL FOR AND ALL, DO THEY GET SIMILAR CARDS? HAVE THEY GOTTEN SIMILAR CARDS? NO, THAT'S ALL BASED ON BUILDING PERMITS. AH, GOTCHA. AND THEY GET THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR HIM TO PUT IT UP. I GOTCHA. THAT'S WHEN THEY GO OUT AND ASSESS WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, AND IF THERE IS NO BUILDING PERMIT AND THERE IS NO ASSESSMENT, SO CAN I PARAPHRASE THAT TO SAY YOU DID THINGS THE RIGHT WAY, WENT AND GOT A BUILDING PERMIT AND THAT TRIGGERED AN ISSUE. BUT IF PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING AND GETTING SOMETHING FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT MAY NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF IT. RIGHT. BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DO IT, UM, AND DON'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT. THERE'S NO TRIGGER. AND SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO A A, A COMPLAINT DRIVEN PROCESS. RIGHT. AND I GOTTA PAY MORE TAXES, . I KNOW, I HEAR YOU. I HEAR YOU BEING HONEST. I WOULD BE WILLING TO TELL YOU THAT I GUARANTEE IF YOU PUT A CARPORT OFF OF YOUR HOUSE, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE VALUE OF YOUR HOUSE. AND ALL THESE CAMPSITES THAT HAVE CARPORTS WITH THE CAMPER UNDER IT SHOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT VALUE TO THAT LOT BECAUSE OF THAT. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LIKELY TO HAVE HAD A PERMIT. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO IF I PUT UP A CARPORT OF MY HOUSE AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DO IT MYSELF, NOTHING HAPPENS. BUT IF I HIRE SOMEBODY THAT LEGALLY BECAUSE OF THEIR LICENSING HAS TO, HAS TO DO THAT, THEN THAT TRIGGERS A BUILDING PERMIT OR UNTIL THE NEXT REASSESSMENT AND THEY DRIVE IN YOUR YARD AND GO, HEY, THAT WASN'T THERE LAST TIME I CAME HERE. CALL IT AN AGRICULTURAL BUILDING, THEN YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT ANYWAY. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. YOU GET A RIGHT, YOU GET A AFFIDAVIT THAT SAYS IT'S A AG. SO FOR MR. TUCKER'S SAKE, I WANT TO CALL IT A PIGEON, A PIGEON FACILITY, A TRANSIENT PIGEON FACILITY, , ANY, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T NEED THE TRACTOR TRAILER. PARKER TOO. ALL ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MR. HAYES? [16.PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS] I, FOR THE RECORD, I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO NOW, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT WE HAVE WORKED WITH ALL THE CAMPGROUNDS ON WHAT'S ALLOWED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, THE SCREENED PORCH, THE CERTAIN SIZE AND ALL THAT. THEY'VE ALL BEEN PUT ON NOTICE. THEY'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT. UM, ALVIN CAN PROBABLY, BUT WE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OF THOSE WHIPPER KNOCK MARINA, UH, CHEIN CAMPGROUND, UM, THEY HAVE, THE PARK OWNERS HAVE BEEN MAKING THEM COME IN AND GET THE BUILDING PERMITS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY'VE BEEN ALL BEEN PRETTY GOOD ABOUT DOING THAT. SO, OKAY. WE HAVE, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT ANYWAY WITH ALL THE CAMPGROUNDS. I, I'VE GOT ONE QUICK THING. I JUST, AND THIS IS PROBABLY ME BEING, I DON'T KNOW YOU WHATEVER ME, . I'VE BEEN HERE PROBABLY ABOUT OUR LAST FIVE OR SIX MEETINGS STARTING AT FIVE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. NOW I'M DIABETIC AND EATING ON TIME AND EATING AT A CERTAIN TIME MEANS A LOT TO ME. MM-HMM . I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYBODY TO PROVIDE FOOD FOR ME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I WAS GOING TO TONIGHT AND I REFRAINED FROM DOING IT, BRING MY SUPPER WITH ME AND WHILE WE WERE SITTING IN THAT ROOM, BREAK IT OUT AND EAT IT BECAUSE I KNEW WE WOULDN'T HAVE TIME IN BETWEEN TO EAT ANYTHING. AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THE NEXT GO ROUND, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO. SO WHEN I BREAK OUT THAT SALAD AND I'M OVER THERE CRUNCHING , YOU'LL KNOW WHY I DID IT. BECAUSE TO ME IT'S ABOUT BEING A HEALTHY PERSON AND EATING AT CERTAIN TIMES. I DON'T MIND COMING AT FIVE O'CLOCK, BUT IT REALLY WOULD BE NICE IF THE COUNTY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET YOU A SANDWICH AND A DRINK AND A BAG OF CHIPS OR SOMETHING. AND WHILE WE ARE TALKING, Y'ALL CAN HAVE YOUR SANDWICH 'CAUSE WE KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING AFTER THIS AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE SUPPER. [02:15:01] 'CAUSE I'M GONNA GO HOME NOW AND IT'LL BE 10 O'CLOCK BEFORE I GET ANYTHING OR LATER. AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD TIME TO GET. GOOD POINT. THAT'S WHY WAS LATE COMING. I HAD TO EAT. GOOD POINT, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT IS MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION INTERNALLY AS A STAFF MANY TIMES. SO I DO INTEND, UH, WE'VE GOT BUDGET COMING UP AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT DURING THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL AND I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS, SAME THING, MS. CHIUS, THEY'RE DIABETIC AND HAVE TO KIND OF FOLLOW THAT REGIMEN AND ALL THAT. SO CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE INTEND TO ADDRESS ADDRESSES STAFF IF IF WORSE COMES TO WORSE, LIKE YOU SAID, IF, IF YOU ALL NEED TO BRING SOMETHING, THEN THAT I'M WILLING TO DO THAT. THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT BEING RUDE IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY WHEN I BREAK IT OUT AND GO, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M BREAKING IT OUT FOR A REASON. ONE, I'M HUNGRY. YOU WANT BE RUDE IF YOU DO THAT. IF YOU'RE, IF I'M NOT RUDE, ASK IF I CAN HAVE A BITE. . WELL I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING A LITTLE EXTRA PASS AROUND. I'M JOKING. PLEASE, PLEASE JUST KNOW THAT WHEN YOU DO EAT YOU WILL BE ON CAMERA. THAT'S A SO PLEASE. SO PLEASE BRING NAPKINS AND, AND AND LET'S DO IT IN A GAME FIVE MANNER PLEASE. PLEASE. WELL I DON'T THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EATING AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING TIME BETWEEN THE FIVE O'CLOCK MEETING AND THE SEVEN O'CLOCK MEETING WHERE YOU CAN GET A BITE TO EAT. RIGHT. AND I DON'T, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A LONG 30 MINUTES BETWEEN THE MEETINGS. IS AMPLE TIME FOR ME TO EAT A SANDWICH AND BE PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S GOOD POINT. MR. CHAIRMAN. YES SIR. UM, I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD FOR WORKING WITH ME THIS YEAR. I HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME. I ENJOY WORKING WITH YOU GUYS AND EXCHANGING IDEAS. THANK YOU FOR BEING MY VICE CHAIR AND PITCHING IN FOR ME WHEN I COULDN'T GET HERE. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. I'VE HAD, AGAIN, I IT'S BEEN ENJOYABLE. THANK YOU. ENJOY MY HEALTH IS GETTING BETTER. YOU HAVE UH, SERVICE. WELL THANK YOU. I TRY ALL OF US VERY SINCERELY. THANK YOU. YOU JUST TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU GOT A 12 MORE MEETINGS TO GO BEFORE NEXT, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR THIS TIME. 12. I'LL BE HERE FOR 12. FOR 11 TO 12. ALRIGHT. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR, UH, EVERYTHING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. AND YOU KNOW ME BY NOW THAT IF YOU GOT SOMETHING ON YOUR MIND, YOU TELL ME EITHER DURING THE MEETING OR BEFORE OR AFTER MEETING. UM, I NEED ALL THE HELP AND GUIDANCE THAT I CAN GET. UM, ANY KIND OF INFORMATION IS HELPFUL. SO, UM, WE'LL TRY TO MAKE OUR MEETINGS AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. AND UM, ANY, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE CASE THAT YOU'VE TABLED, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT LILY POND SOLAR. DON'T THINK IT'LL BE COMING IN FEBRUARY. UM, BUT WE MAY HAVE THAT CASE AND, BUT WE DO HAVE TWO CASES THAT WILL BE COMING. UM, ONE IS THE OWNER OF THE, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER THE APPLICANT'S NAME, BUT THE OWNER OF THE EXXON SERVICE STATION IN MCKINNEY OWNS PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE ROUTE 40. UM, OH YEAH. YEAH. HE'S PLANNING ON DOING MINI STORAGE FACILITY. HE'S MADE APPLICATION FOR THAT. SO YOU ALL BE HEARING THAT. AND, UM, RELATED TO THIS EVENING, UH, BRAD AND I DO WORK WITH APPLICANTS ON THE CONDITIONS AND WE CERTAINLY TRY TO THINK OF ALL THE CONDITIONS WE CAN THINK OF RELATED TO. UM, SO THAT CASE WILL BE BRINGING THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU ALL FEEL ARE NECESSARY. SO, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THAT CASE IS COMING FOR MAY SELFER SERVICE STORAGE MINI FACILITY. UM, AND WE HAVE ONE OTHER APPLICATION THAT BRAD, HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE, THE FAMILY WHO OWNS THE COMMUNITY MARKET ON FOUR 60 NEAR OAKLAND CHURCH. YEAH. UM, THEY'RE WANTING TO GO BACK TO DOING, I BELIEVE, UM, UH, PROVIDING FUEL, UH, FUEL PUMPS I BELIEVE. AND THAT WAS KIND OF GRANDFATHERED BEFORE. SO THEY'RE GONNA COME, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DR. MOORE AS WELL. THEY'RE GONNA BRING AN APPLICATION TO REZONE THAT TO B TWO SO THAT THEY CAN, UM, HAVE THEIR STORE AS WELL AS PROVIDE FUEL. UM, SO THAT APPLICATION WILL BE COMING TO YOU ALL AND DR. MOORE AS I SAID'S BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. SO THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT CASE IS GONNA BE DOUBLE ADVERTISED. UM, JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT. THAT'S THE ONE NEXT TO THE BIKERS, UH, THE OLD PETROL STATION RIGHT THERE NEXT TO SUTHERLAND MANOR WHERE THE BIKERS ARE IN ONE HALF OF IT [02:20:01] AND THEY COME HAVE THEIR THING AND SHOOT AT EACH OTHER AND ALL THAT. AND THEN THEY LEAVE. AND , IT'S, IT'S IN THAT BUILDING WHERE THE, UH, THE, AN THE ANTIQUE STORE USED TO BE. YEAH. BUGGYS THAT FRONT AND THE UH, AIRPLANE FU LOGS. RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S THE LOCATION. HUDDY, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE, WHERE THE ANTIQUE STORE WAS AND THEY YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE. OKAY. THEY MOVED FROM THAT WHITE BUILDING THAT WAS ACROSS FROM MCCREE ELECTRIC. RIGHT. THE BIKERS DID, THEY WERE IN THAT. OH, OKAY. AND NOW THEY'RE IN THE SECOND HALF WHERE THE ANTIQUES WERE. OH, I AND THE COMMUNITY STOP. I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT. AND THE STORE IS VACANT. THE STORE SIDE IS VACANT. RIGHT, RIGHT. WHICH IT DID USED TO BE A PETROL. YEAH, IT DID. IT WAS A PETROL STATION. DOES IT STILL HAVE, DOES IT STILL HAVE THE PUMPS OUT THERE? AT LEAST THE ISLAND OUT? YES. PUMPS ARE THERE. EVERYTHING'S THERE. YEAH. AND THEY HAD TO, I REMEMBER THEY HAD TO PUT IN, THEY HAD A LEAK. YEAH. AND THEY TORE 'EM OUT AND THEY HAVE THE, WELL IN THE MIDDLE OF FOUR 60 THAT THEY HAVE TO DIP OUT OF TO CHECK FOR ANY LEAKS OR ANYTHING. MM-HMM . OH, OKAY. BUT I SAW SOMEBODY OUT THERE. I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY PUT IN NEW TANKS, BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE ANYMORE. BUT, UH, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE PULL IN THERE AND TRY TO GET GAS . SO ON THE SELF STORAGE THERE, JUST, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S THE, THE, THE ACCESS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS SOLELY OFF THE FRONTAGE ROAD. CORRECT? YES. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY. CORRECT. SO I'VE ALREADY HAD CONSTITUENTS ASK ME ABOUT THIS. I I WANT TO JUST LET YOU BE AWARE OF THIS. SO THIS, IF YOU REMEMBER WE HAD A CASE A YEAR OR TWO AGO WHERE THE FOLKS THAT WERE IN THAT QUADRANT OFF THE FRONTAGE ROAD IN MCKINNEY WANTED TO WHERE IT HAD BEEN REZONED COMMERCIAL WHEN, WHEN 85 WAS BUILT, REMEMBER THEY CAME HERE AND WANTED TO HAVE IT REZONED BACK TO AGRICULTURE. BACK TO AG. AG THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT'S OFF OF THE SAME FRONTAGE ROAD THAT THIS GUY WANTS TO PUT A, UM, A UH, UH, STORAGE, A MINI STORAGE. AND THE OTHER POINT, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME SAYING THIS, 'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS WAS A CONSTITUENT COMPLAINT TO ME WAS I HAVE A, THIS CONSTITUENT APPROACH ME BECAUSE SHE'S VERY, UH, ACTIVE IN GOING TO DEQ WEBSITE. SHE REALIZED THAT THEY WERE CLEARING LAND WITHOUT A PERMIT AND THEY'VE CLEARED THE LAND WITHOUT A PERMIT AND THEN THEY STOPPED WHEN YOU YES. TOLD 'EM TO STOP. SO THAT, JUST A COUPLE KEY POINTS TO THINK ABOUT. IT'S, IT'S IN AN AREA OFF OF A FRONTAGE ROAD. IT'S NOT OFF OF 85. RIGHT. OKAY. I MEAN, NOT OFF OF 40, IT'S OFF OF THE FURNISH ROAD FIVE. THE SERVICE STATION OLD. NO, NO, NO. THIS IS WHEN 85 WAS BUILT. YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THREE SERVICE STATIONS WERE BUILT, EXXON GULF AND TEXACO. THE ONE QUADRANT THAT WAS NEVER BUILT ON WAS THE ONE WITH THE FURNACE ROAD, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS REZONED AT THE TIME TO COMMERCIAL. BUT WE HELPED TO REZONE IT BACK TO AGRICULTURE A YEAR OR TWO AGO. WELL, I'M SAYING THE THE QUAD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BEHIND THE SERVICE STATION. NO, IT'S ON THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT WHERE THE FURNACE ROAD IS. IT'S THE ONLY QUADRANT ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD. YEAH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE. YEAH, BUT NOT THE MECHANIC SIDE ROAD, I GUESS THE DOLLAR GENERAL OR WHATEVER IT IS. NO, IF YOU'RE GOING EAST FROM RIGHT ONE, YOU CROSS 85 OKAY. GOING EAST. OKAY. YEAH. YOU PASS THE EXXON ON YOUR LEFT, YOU'VE PASSED THE OIL DILAPIDATED GULF ON YOUR RIGHT YOU CROSS 85 AND THERE USED TO BE A TEXACO ON THE RIGHT THAT MORPHED INTO A TIRE STORE THAT'S NOW COMPLETELY GONE. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT IS A FRONTAGE ROAD THAT LEADS TO AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY NOW. AND THAT'S WHERE HE'S WANTING TO DO IT. I, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN I WAS THINKING. YEAH. AND, AND, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CASE. 'CAUSE I WAS CONFUSED TOO WHEN THE CONSTITUENT CAME TO ME BECAUSE THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT TRUCK STOPS AND EVERYTHING. AND I REMEMBER 15 YEARS AGO THE TRUCK STOP ISSUE OVER THERE BEHIND THE FAMILY DOLLAR. MM-HMM . UH, ANY MORE COMMENTS? IF NOT NO, MR. CHAIR. I, I, I JUST MR. CHAIR. OH, I'M SORRY. MR. JURY HAS, OH, I'M SORRY. JUST REAL QUICK. THE, THE BOARD CLERK WOULD GET ME, BECAUSE I PROMISE HER I WOULD SAY THIS, I'M SORRY. CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORMS ARE DUE BY JANUARY 30TH. SO, AND I PROMISE THEY HAVE CONFLICT INTEREST. KAISHA HAS MINE. RIGHT. I FEEL MINE. AND SOMETHING WHAT SHE DID FOR YOU GUYS WHO ARE THERE, SHE GAVE YOU THE PACKET ON THE BACK. THE LAST PAPER SHOWS WHAT YOU HAD LAST YEAR. SHE SAID JUST WRITE IT ON THE NEW ONE AND SIGN IT AND GIVE IT TO ME AND I'LL GIVE IT TO HER. THREE PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT. WE JUST WAITING FOR THE LAST FOUR MEMBERS TO DO THAT. ALL YOU KNOW IS, I HAVE IN MY, I HAVE TO ADJUST. I HAVE IT RIGHT THERE. MOTION JAR. HAVE A CHANCE TO WRITE. I'LL EMAIL. IS THAT OKAY? JUST ONE MORE THING. JUST, JUST JUST THE FYI TO Y'ALL. I'M IS THE A JUST JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, THE AGRITOURISM UH, ORDINANCE LAWSUIT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE HEARD FEBRUARY 16TH [02:25:01] IS WHEN THE HEARING IS AND I'LL BE HANDLING IT. SO, UH OH. THAT'S FROM LONG AGO. IT'S BEEN SO LONG AGO. Y'ALL FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT. IS IT ONE WITH PAGE GRAPES INVOLVED? YES. OKAY. YEAH, WHEN THE BOY PASSED THE 10 ORDINANCES AND Y'ALL DID TOO WITH AGRITOURISM AND NOISE AND ALL THAT, THAT WAS A CHALLENGE TO IT. AND FINALLY, FINALLY, HE HAS RIPENED UP TO GO TO COURT. SO CIRCUIT COURT, CIRCUIT COURT, CAMPGROUND. THE OLD LINENS CAMPER. SO COME PULL UP A CHAIR AND OH, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING. NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COME PULL UP A CHAIR. WATCH YOU WORK. RIGHT. I'VE GOT A ROOT CANAL THAT DAY I'M HAVING, I JUST NEED A MOTION. IF, IF WE ARE ADJOURNING, I NEED A MOTION. I GAVE YOU THE MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THOSE OPPOSED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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