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THE DEN, DEN WI[1. CALL TO ORDER]
COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP.[3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
OF THE AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE.49 I TO WELCOME EVERYBODY HERE, AND AT THIS POINT WE'LL JUST TURN IT
[4. FY 2024 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM - KEVIN MASSENGILL, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR]
OVER TO MR. MASSAL TO, UH, GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE CAPITAL INCLUSION PROGRAM.UM, WHAT I'VE PUT IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE, UM, THE CIP FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
I WANTED TO, TO JUST PREFACE MY COMMENTS THAT USUALLY WHEN I COME TO YOU, WE HAVE THE CIP ALREADY LAID OUT IN THE SUGGESTED PRIORITIZED YEARS THAT THE COUNTY, UM, WOULD SEE THESE INVESTMENTS BEING MADE, WHICH YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, IS WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL COUNTY DEPARTMENTS HAVE REQUESTED WHEN THEY REQUESTED IT.
SO, THIS KEVIN MASSENGILL AND OUR CIP COMMITTEE HAVEN'T PRIORITIZED ANY OF THIS YET.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY WAS TALK YOU THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE, I GUESS, HIGHLIGHTS OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
I'M GONNA FOCUS ON, AS THE AGENDA SAYS FY 24, WHICH AGAIN IS THE, UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS ADDING UP JUST UNDER $7 MILLION, $7 MILLION HERE IN FY 24.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT NUMBER'S TOO HIGH, SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME IN, IN ALIGNMENT OF WHAT WE HAVE TO, TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IN FY 24.
SO I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, AT LEAST IDENTIFIED AS STAFF.
AND THEN WE CAN TALK THROUGH, UH, I GUESS SOME OF THE, THE NEXT STEPS.
THE ULTIMATE GOAL HERE IS TO, TO GET YOU ACCLIMATED TO THESE.
AND THEN EITHER MR. BASSETT OR MYSELF, OR BOTH OF US AT YOUR MAY 10TH MEETING, I BELIEVE IT IS, UM, WILL COME BACK WITH THE ACTUAL PRIORITIZED LIST.
SO THIS, IT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THIS.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO FIRST START OFF BY SAYING WAS, AND I KNOW DR.
PRO HAS BEEN A PART OF OUR CIP PROCESS IN THE PAST, UM, AND WHEN WE WENT TO A, A 10 YEAR CIP, THE ULTIMATE GOAL WAS TO TRY TO GET PROJECTS PUT ON THAT 10 YEAR TIMELINE WHERE SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY COULD REALLY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, I'M ON YEAR FIVE AND REALISTICALLY SPEAKING IN FIVE YEARS, THEN I SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE THIS ACTUALLY COME TO COMPLETION OR BE FUNDED AND COME TO COMPLETION.
UM, SO WHERE, WHAT WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY IS NOT THERE.
SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU AGAIN, IF YOU ADD UP, YOU'LL SEE HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE A NUMBER ONE THROUGH 45.
THE 45 PROJECTS ADD UP TO ABOUT 57, LITTLE OVER $57 MILLION.
WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE CIP IS WE, WE PULLED OUT LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE, A LOT OF OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE PROJECTS, WE PULLED THOSE PROJECTS OUT.
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, UH, HBA AND ASSOCIATES.
THE, THE ARCHITECTS ENGINEERS THAT BUILT THESE BUILDINGS.
THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN TODAY, THEY'RE DOING A, A FACILITIES MANAGEMENT REVIEW OF ALL OF OUR MISS FACILITIES.
AND I SAY ALL THAT'S EVERY MUNICIPAL BUILDING.
SO THAT'S, WHETHER IT'S THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OR WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENT, MECHANICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO GET A BETTER FEEL FOR WHEN WE THINK THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE.
SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
WHAT ALSO YOU'RE NOT SEEING IS THAT YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE PARKS AND RECREATION PROJECTS THAT THAT REALLY KIND OF BUBBLED UP TO THE TOP FOR THE, UH, RAY VINES, THE DIRECTOR.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE A MASTER'S, UH, MASTER FACILITIES PLAN THAT'S BEING DONE FOR PARKS AND REC.
I GOT A DRAFT OF THAT TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME.
YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANY OF THOSE THIS, THIS TIME AROUND.
PRO, 'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
IN THE PAST YOU WOULD'VE SENT A C SEEN A CIP IN EXCESS OF 120 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS.
AND SO YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT 57 MILLION.
SO WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK, AND I, I DID THIS FOR YOU GUYS.
I, I WANTED TO, AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT BEING DISINGENUOUS.
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THAT WE INTEND TO DO, BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE REALLY A ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO DO.SO FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, OUR CIP IS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET.
AND SO FROM A FINANCIAL POLICY PERSPECTIVE, WE, YOU KNOW, FOR US, OUR TARGET PAYING CASH EVERY YEAR IS GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND $3 MILLION A YEAR.
WE CAN SEE IT GO ABOVE THAT 3 MILLION A LITTLE BIT, BUT MOST YEARS IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE CLOSER TO 2 MILLION.
SO IF I'M DOING TWO, 3 MILLION A YEAR, AND THAT'S REALISTIC, AND I WENT BACK AND LOOKED OVER THE LAST FIVE FISCAL YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN AVERAGING ABOUT $2.5 MILLION IN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
THE ONLY ANOMALY WAS LAST YEAR.
AND I TOOK THAT OUT BECAUSE LAST YEAR, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE CAME LATER TO YOU ALL, BUT WHEN WE DID, WE WERE LOOKING AT A, A MUCH LARGER CIP FIVE, $6 MILLION.
ONE OF THE LARGEST WE'VE EVER DONE.
AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR THAT, WE HAD FEDERAL MONEY, THE AMERICA RESCUE PLAN ACT, ARPA FUNDS HAD COME IN AND WE TRIED TO STRATEGICALLY USE SOME OF THAT MONEY, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, A TWO TO $3 MILLION CIPA YEAR PAYING CASH IS WHAT A COUNTY OUR SIZE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO MAKE INVESTMENTS IN.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS, AND I'M GONNA TEE SOME OF THIS STUFF OUT SO YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
BUT, UM, WE HAVE ALSO SEE, THE WAY THAT WE BUDGET OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN IS AT THE END OF EVERY FISCAL YEAR, WE TEND TO HAVE BETTER PERFORMED REVENUE THAN WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED.
'CAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND OUR EXPENDITURE BUDGET USUALLY COMES IN BETTER.
MEANING WE DON'T SPEND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR A BUDGET IS A SPENDING PLAN.
IT'S NOT TO, WE DON'T ZERO BASE BUDGET WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT EVERY COUNTY DEPARTMENT SPEND DOWN TO ZERO EVERY YEAR.
SO WHAT USUALLY TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS THERE ARE FUNDS THAT ARE PUT BACK INTO WHAT WE CALL THE UNDESIGNATED FUND, OUR RESERVES, AND THAT HELPS CONTINUE TO FUND THE CIP.
UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, I, I, I SAID, WELL, WHAT IF WE JUST LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO? I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SCHOOL BUSES THAT HAVE TO BE REPLACED EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE AMBULANCES THAT WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE, UM, CERTAIN FIRE APPARATUS THAT'S ON A SCHEDULE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE.
AND THEN WE HAVE POLICE CARS THAT INEVITABLY WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO SWITCH OUT EVERY YEAR.
UM, SO I LOOKED AT JUST THIS PLAN AND THIS YEAR ALONE IN 24, AND WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH THIS, BUT ABOUT 1.7 MILLION IS JUST IN THOSE THINGS.
SO BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE AS A COUNTY, AND I ALREADY TOLD YOU ABOUT TWO TO 3 MILLION IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE PAYING CASH FOR.
ABOUT 1.7 OF THAT IS JUST IN THESE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE REPLACED EVERY YEAR.
SO I TOLD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS YESTERDAY, I, YOU KNOW, FROM A, FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE, THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED REOCCURRING OPERATING EXPENSES THAT WE SHOULD BE FIGURING OUT A WAY TO HAVE ONGOING REVENUES EVERY YEAR, PAY FOR THINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE GONNA COME UP EVERY YEAR TO BE REPLACED.
UM, SO THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE DO IT AGAIN NOW, BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT YEAR END MONEY AND THEN WE TRY TO FIT IT IN HERE.
UM, BUT I JUST TO THE BOARD, IF, IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MOVE THESE THINGS OFF OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN AND PUT 'EM MORE INTO LIKE AN INTERNAL CAPITAL PROGRAM THAT WE CAN JUST SPEND DIFFERENTLY THAN IT WILL FREE UP MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO OTHER CAPITAL EXPENSES LATER.
SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT STRATEGY THAN WHAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST.
I'VE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW, IN SOME JURISDICTIONS IT'S LIKE, YEAH, PLANTED OUT FOR 10 YEARS, BUT USUALLY WHEN YOU HIT YEAR FIVE, YEAR 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU'RE GETTING INTO WHAT IS A MANAGEABLE PLAN.
6, 7, 8, 9, 10, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE FUTURISTIC.
UM, SO THAT'S MY GOAL THIS YEAR.
THAT'S ONE REASON YOU WON'T SEE THIS COMPLETELY BALANCED AND OR PRIORITIZED AT THIS STAGE.
BUT WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU A MONTH LATER, YOU'LL SEE THAT TYPE OF PLAN.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO FIT THAT INTO THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
AND THEN LOOK AT YEAR 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE FUTURISTIC AT WHERE SOME OF THESE EXPENSES CAN BE.
THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO DO THAT Y'ALL WON'T SEE HERE, BUT WE HAVE DEBT FROM THE COUNTY THAT WILL STAIR STEP DOWN FROM OUR DEBT SCHEDULE.
MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE FINANCED SOMETHING OVER 10 YEARS.
AND THEN WHEN THAT COMES TO ITS USEFUL LIFE, IT'S OVER THAT 10 YEARS IS OVER, THAT THAT DEBT THAT WE'RE PAYING GOES AWAY.
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REASON WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD THE GOVERNMENT COMPLEX, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, MAKE RENOVATIONS TO THE OLD, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY.AND TO THE, THE SCHOOL OFFICE, UH, SCHOOL ADMINISTRATIONS.
'CAUSE WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT STAIR STEPPING DOWN OF DEBT.
WELL, OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THERE'S GONNA BE THREE OR FOUR OCCASIONS WHERE SOME OF THE OLD DEBT THAT WE HAVE IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
IT'S GONNA GO AWAY, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA START TO SEE SOME DOWNWARD MOVEMENT THERE.
SO THAT WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE YEARS AND WE POTENTIALLY COULD GO OUT, BORROW FUNDS TO DO OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS AND STILL NOT PAY MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING.
SO THAT'S GONNA HELP US, I THINK, STRATEGICALLY LOOK AT SOME OF THESE, THESE BIGGER THINGS.
AND THEN QUITE HONESTLY, SOME OF THESE THINGS, UM, JUST BECAUSE THEY GET ASKED FOR SHOULDN'T LIVE ON THE SHEET OF PAPER UNLESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE.
SO JUST, JUST BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT OR, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL SYSTEM, WHOMEVER ASKED FOR IT, DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT AUTOMATICALLY SHOULD LIVE ON THE PAPER IF, IF WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, RIGHT NOW IT'S MORE OF A WHAT IS ASKED FOR, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WHAT TYPICALLY, OR NECESSARILY CAN BE DONE.
EXCUSE ME ON YOUR LAST STATEMENT.
IF A DEPARTMENT REQUESTS AND THEY FEEL THAT, THAT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS QUITE URGENT OR IS DEFINITELY NEEDED TO, WHO DO THEY GO AND APPEAL THE DECISION OF THE, OF THE, UH, CIP COMMITTEE, IF YOU ALL SAY, WELL, NOT AT THIS TIME, WE, WE CAN'T DO IT NOW AND THEY THINK IT OUGHT TO BE DONE, WHO DO THEY GO TO APPEAL THAT FIELD? IT'S, IT IS ULTIMATELY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISE THE FINAL DECISION.
UM, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO GET TO THE BOARD A BALANCED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER HAD A DEPARTMENT ASK ME THAT QUESTION.
I THINK THEY TYPICALLY KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO REQUEST WHAT THEY THINK THEY NEED, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT IT DOESN'T GET FUNDED THAT YEAR.
UM, THEY TYPICALLY JUST WAIT TILL THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET IT IN THAT YEAR.
BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT AN OFFICIAL APPEAL PROCESS.
UM, NOW WE DON'T DISCOURAGE OUR EMPLOYEES TO TALK TO BOARD MEMBERS OR THAT TYPE THING EITHER.
BUT I MEAN, IF THERE WAS A REAL NEED, BUT IF THE UPPER MANAGEMENT, THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD LOOKS AT IT THAT IT'S NOT, WE CAN'T DO IT AT THIS TIME, THEN MOST OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE, EXCUSE ME, THAT WOULD BE THE NORMAL IN THE EVENT THAT THE NORMAL ANSWER WOULD BE, WE CAN'T DO IT THIS TIME, THEN YOU WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE A, HAVE THEM TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
WE, WE WOULD, THE CFP ALWAYS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS FOR SOME OF THE BIGGER PROJECTS WOULD BE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD A, SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT NEW FIRE STATION, NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND IF WE LOOK AT IT AS THE COUNTY AND SAY, WELL, WE, WE CAN'T AFFORD THE DEBT PAYMENT ON A NEW SCHOOL AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND WE CAN PLAN IT IN THIS TENURE PERIOD.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM CAN STILL COME AND, AND REQUEST IT ANYWAY, BUT ULTIMATELY STILL BE THE BOARD RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY, YEAH, WE CAN'T.
I WOULD, I I FEEL CERTAIN THAT, UH, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS KNOW THE ROUTINE AND KNOW THAT THEIR FIRST THING THEY DO IS PRIORITIZE WHAT THEY NEED THE MOST.
AND THEIR, THEIR REQUEST IS BASED ON THEIR PRIORITIZATION OF NEED.
UM, SO I THINK A LOT OF THAT DISCUSSION HAS GONE ON OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO FOR THAT.
IT, IT GETS IRONED OUT QUITE A BIT IN THE, IN THE CIP DISCUSSIONS.
UM, AND I THINK WHAT'S HELPFUL IS, YOU KNOW, A COUNTY DEPARTMENT CAN LOOK AT WHAT THEY NEED, BUT WHEN THEY SIT AROUND THESE TABLES AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY GET TO HEAR SOME OF THE OTHER NEEDS.
WE'VE HAD SOME OF EM IN THE US P SAY, WELL, MINE CAN WAIT.
WE RECENTLY, EVEN THROUGH THIS LIST, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS SAID, WELL, I'LL MOVE MINE BACK A FEW YEARS 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT.
SO MOST OF OUR, I MEAN, WE SEE THE BIGGER NEED AND THAT WOULD EXIST.
I KNOW YOU SAID LIKE THE RECURRING ITEMS SUCH AS, I'LL JUST PICK ONE FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLE MM-HMM
GET THAT OFF THE CIP THAT RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK OF THAT REALLY AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, BUT, UM, I ALMOST SAY IT'S OM BUT MY
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POINT IS, WHAT, WHERE WOULD IT BE IN THE BUDGET? BECAUSE THERE'S NO FREE MONEY, RIGHT? MEAN IT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE FREEING IT UP HERE FOR, FOR CIP MEANS IT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.SO WHERE WOULD THAT BE? YEAH, SO IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, HE HAS A CAPITAL LINE ITEM.
AND IN THAT CAPITAL IT CAN INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT INTERNAL CAPITAL AS SMALLER PURCHASES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF MR. BASSETT NEEDED A NEW FIELD VEHICLE, UH, HE COULD REQUEST THAT AS PART OF HIS OPERATING BUDGET AND WE WOULD PUT THAT VEHICLE IN HIS CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, IF IT WAS FUNDED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
THE, THE DIFFICULTY I THINK, OVER THE YEARS FOR SOME OF THESE IS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE POLICE CARS FOR SIX OF THEM IS $232,000.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SIZE REQUEST THAN JUST A CAR THAT MAY BE 40,000, $50,000.
SO OVER THE YEARS IT'S BEEN TRANSITIONED INTO WHAT IS THE SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENT ASPECT OF A CIP, WHICH CAN BE EQUIPMENT AND BUILDINGS.
UM, I JUST THINK WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TELL THE BOARD RECENTLY YESTERDAY WAS I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO GET TO A POINT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT BETTER REVENUE YEARS, WHICH ISN'T THIS YEAR, BUT IN, IN BETTER REVENUE YEARS WHERE WE'RE GROWING SIX, 7%, WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET THESE ITEMS OUT OF THE CIP AND PUTTING THEM IN THE, IN THE OPERATING BUDGET.
'CAUSE IT USED TO BE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD KIND OF RECYCLE SOME OF THESE VEHICLES AROUND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A SCHOOL BUS THAT YOU CAN MOVE FROM A, A LONG HAUL AREA TO A SHORT HAUL AREA.
BUT THERE'S JUST SO MUCH NOW THAT HAPPENS WITH OUR SCHOOL BUSES.
OUR SCHOOL BUSES GET REPLACED.
TYPICALLY IT'S LIKE A 14 YEAR LIFE CYCLE ON SCHOOL BUSES.
WELL, WHEN WE FIRST GOT HERE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE SCHOOL BUSES LAST IN 15, 20 YEARS.
THEY DON'T LAST LIKE THAT ANYMORE.
SO WE STARTED HAVING A LOT OF SCHOOL BUSES NEEDING TO BE REPLACED AT ONE TIME.
SO AGAIN, BUT WE KNOW NOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
AMBULANCES IS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
WE, OUR CALL VOLUME NOW SUGGESTS THAT, THAT WE, WE ARE GOING TO BE REPLACING AN AMBULANCE A YEAR.
THIS YEAR'S NOT A, UH, GOOD REVENUE YEAR.
SO WHAT IS THAT NUMBER THIS YEAR? YEAH, SO THIS YEAR WE'RE, WE'RE GROWING LESS THAN 2%.
SO OVERALL REVENUE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY ABOVE LAST YEAR IS ABOUT $1.3 MILLION MORE THAN THAN THE YEAR BEFORE.
AND SO MY, I GUESS I'M SURPRISED AT THAT.
I WOULD'VE, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT REVENUE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO FLAT.
SO WHAT DRIVE, WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? SO REAL ESTATE, KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE 33 FORMS OF REVENUE.
TWO BIGGEST ONES OBVIOUSLY ARE REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO FROM A REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE AT THE TAIL END OF A REASSESSMENT CYCLE.
SO OUR, OUR REASSESSMENT PEOPLE AT HOME ARE PAYING TAXES TODAY ON THEIR REAL ESTATE BASED ON WHAT YOUR HOME WAS VALUED IN 2019, WHEN THE REASSESSMENT WAS COMPLETE.
BUT THE MARKET ASSESSMENT FOR THE 2019 REASSESSMENT WAS DONE IN 20 17, 20 18.
SO REALLY THE VALUE OF YOUR HOMES HAVE NOT CHANGED AS FAR AS THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE SINCE THAT MARKET ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE IN 20 17, 20 18.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'VE BEEN PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT ON REAL ESTATE TAX.
MOST PEOPLE SINCE THAT LAST REASSESSMENT WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO DO A REASSESSMENT EVERY SIX YEARS.
SO WE ARE IN THAT VERY LAST CYCLE YEAR TO DO THE REAL.
SO THE ONLY REAL ESTATE GROWTH THAT WE'LL SEE IS ANY NEW BROUGHT TO THE INVENTORY.
SO NEW HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT, NEW COMMERCIAL RETAIL OR INDU INDUSTRIAL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT'S COMING ONTO THE BOOKS WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BUMP.
BUT KEEP IN MIND IT TAKES, IT TAKES A LOT OF HOME CONSTRUCTION TO, TO MOVE THAT NEEDLE WHEN IT COMES TO, TO REAL ESTATE TYPICALLY.
UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T DO REASSESSMENTS MORE FREQUENTLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE MOST OF OUR ANNUAL GROWTH IN PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
SO LAST YEAR WAS AN UNPRECEDENTED YEAR WITH PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO COVID, WE HAD SOME SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUES.
UM, OLD CAR VALUES JUST SKYROCKETED.
AND SO WE STARTED TO SEE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN THAT.
AND SO THE BOARD CAME IN LAST YEAR, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE AND LOWERED THE PERSONAL PROPERTY RATE BY 15 CENTS AFTER THEY HAD LOWERED IT THREE YEARS PRIOR BY 15 CENTS.
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SO THEY LOWERED IT THOUGH 15 CENTS LAST YEAR.AND THEY ALSO SAID TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE WITH THE PUBLIC, WE'RE NOT GONNA BASE IT ON A HUNDRED PERCENT OF FAIR MARKET VALUE.
WE'RE GONNA JUST ARBITRARILY TAKE IT DOWN TO 90%.
SO IN ADDITION TO LOWERING IT 15 CENTS, THEY SAID, WE'RE GONNA ONLY DO THAT AT 90% OF THE, THE TOTAL FAIR MARKET VALUE.
SO IN THAT, THE COUNTY STILL HAD A NICE LITTLE BUMP.
'CAUSE YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TRADING CARS EVERY YEAR AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND WHETHER IT'S A, I'VE GOT A BETTER OLDER CAR THAN I HAD, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MEAN IT'S BRAND NEW.
BUT OVERALL IT LOOKED, IT LOOKED GOOD.
WE ANTICIPATED REVENUE LAST YEAR WAS GONNA GROW ABOUT $2.2 MILLION JUST IN, THAT'S WITH MAKING SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.
UM, THE HOPE WAS THAT IF THE MARKET CORRECTED ITSELF, SO THESE OLD CAR VALUES STARTED TO COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
AND NEWER CAR VALUES, IF ANYBODY'S LOOKED AT A NEW CAR THESE DAYS ARE ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH.
BUT OLD CAR VALUES HAVE STARTED TO COME DOWN.
AND SO IT ACTUALLY CAME DOWN FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY, EVEN MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
UM, BUT THANK GOODNESS WE DID IT AT 90% OF FAIR MARKET VALUE.
'CAUSE WHEN THE COMMISSIONER GETS THE NATIVE VALUES, SHE LOOKED AT IT AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF FAIR MARKET VALUE AT THE NEW TAX RATE AND IT BARELY BROKE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, BUT IT ABOUT BROKE EVEN.
SO INSTEAD OF SEEING A SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN PERSONAL PROPERTY, WE ONLY SAW A GROWTH OF ABOUT 300,000.
SO OVERALL WITH THE 1.3 MILLION THAT YOU'RE SEEING, UM, ABOUT 300,000 OF THAT'S IN PERSONAL PROPERTY.
YOU GOT A ABOUT A HUNDRED OR SO THAT'S IN REAL ESTATE.
AND THE REST IS GONNA BE IN, IN SOME OF THOSE OTHER FORMS OF THOSE 33 AREAS OF, OF REVENUE.
BUT THAT, THAT'S THE, THE REASON THAT IT'S MORE OF A FLAT YEAR.
IT'S, AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE REASSESSMENT, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU GET INTO WHAT IS THE EQUALIZED TAX RATE AND WHAT THAT RATE WILL LOOK LIKE.
WE DO KNOW THAT FROM LORI STEVEN'S PERSPECTIVE, OUR SALES RATIO.
'CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF FAIR MARKET VALUE WHEN YOU DO A REASSESSMENT.
SO THAT'S THE CLOSEST TO A HUNDRED PERCENT IS DIRECTLY AFTER REASSESSMENT.
UM, THOSE THAT CAN REMEMBER THE REASSESSMENT OF 2008, WHICH WOULD BE HARD FOR ME TO FORGET.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE YEAR THAT IF YOU REMEMBER, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID THE REASSESSMENT AND THEY DID THE MARKET ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE TIME THAT THE ECONOMY JUST COLLAPSED AND OH 8, 0 9.
UM, SO IT WAS, IT WAS A BAD TIME TO DO A REASSESSMENT.
OUR SALES RATIO AT THAT POINT HAD HAD DROPPED DOWN TO ABOUT 70% OF, OF FAIR MARKET VALUE.
I THINK WE'RE SETTING NOW AT 67%.
SO IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UM, DECREASE FOR WHERE WE'LL BE.
SO THE ASSUMPTION THERE WOULD BE WHEN WE DO THE REASSESSMENT, THE VALUES ARE GONNA SHOW MUCH STRONGER.
NOW SOME THINGS HAVE COOLED DOWN RECENTLY WITH SOME OF THE INTEREST RATES AND INFLATION AND, YOU KNOW, IT HAS STARTED TO COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHERE IT ENDS UP WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT HONEY, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU DECIDE TO DO YOUR OWN OFFICE OF ASSESSMENT SO THAT YOU CAN KEEP MORE CURRENT AND KEEP YOUR CYCLE OF INCOME, UH, AT A STEADIER PACE.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERY SIX YEARS YOU GET THIS HUGE JUMP.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST FLATS OUT.
SO TYPICALLY REASSESSMENTS USED TO COST THE COUNTY ABOUT 300,000, 350,000.
'CAUSE KEEP IN MIND, YOU GOTTA GO OUT AND TOUCH EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY, RIGHT? YOU GOT 13,000 HOUSING UNITS AND ALL THE LAND.
UM, SO YOU, YOU WOULD WANT A RATE OF GROWTH ANNUALLY TO BE SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO PAYING FOR ITSELF IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE AN IN-HOUSE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.
SO LORI AND I LOOKED AT THAT IN, OH, AFTER OH EIGHT AND OH NINE.
UM, AND WE WEREN'T GROWING FAST ENOUGH AT THAT POINT TO JUSTIFY IT.
UM, BUT WHAT WE DID THIS TIME WAITING SIX YEAR CYCLE, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE WERE ON A FOUR YEAR CYCLE, A SIX YEAR CYCLE.
AND I THINK FROM THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, THEY WERE HOPING THAT IF THEY SAW EVERYTHING RAISING SO QUICKLY, THEY WERE HOPING IT WOULD COME BACK DOWN.
IT HAS SOME, BUT SIX YEARS IS TOO LONG.
I MEAN, I THINK LORI STEVENS AND GIVING A REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THERE'S OTHER METHODS NOW THERE'S LIKE A, A TWO YEAR ASSESSMENT THAT CAN BE DONE THAT DOES, UM, SOME DIFFERENT MARKET ASSESSMENTS, UM, TRENDING IN SUBDIVISIONS AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
SO IT'S NOT AS COSTLY AT THE POINT THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GROWING SIX, 7% A YEAR,
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YOU PROBABLY COULD START TO JUSTIFY, BUT I THINK THIS YEAR WE'RE LIKE 1.8.YOU KNOW, THE YEAR BEFORE WE WERE LIKE 2.4, YOU START GETTING BACK IN THE FIVE SIX SEVENS.
AGAIN, THE COUNTY PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK AT IT.
BUT AT WHAT COMES WITH THAT IS GROWTH.
LIKE WE, WE WILL NEED TO BE GROWING FAST ENOUGH TO AT LEAST BREAK EVEN WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING EMPLOYED HERE TO DO THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE I, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD EXPECT AT THE END OF THIS REASSESSMENT IS THAT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE'S GONNA COME DOWN FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S PRESENTLY BEING USED FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL.
WHICH, UM, WHICH THEY PAY RENT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO USE THAT FACILITY, BUT IT'S STILL EDUCATIONAL.
SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE THAT EDUCATIONAL USE, UH, FOR THAT.
BUT NO, I I, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE, I THINK MIKE WOULD PREFER TO BE IN THE CENTER PART OF THE COUNTY MM-HMM
THAT IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR FARMERS TO COME TO THIS LOCATION AND IF THEY'RE ALL CO-LOCATED TOGETHER, UM, AS, AS A POTENTIAL OPTION THERE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE AS FAR AS THE NEW OFFICE FOR, FOR EXTENSION.
HAS MIKE MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE, UH, STATE OFFICES OF COOPERATIVE EXTENSION ARE OF ANY IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE EXTENSION SERVICE HAS TAKEN TREMENDOUS CUTS OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
UH, AND DOES HE HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE LEVEL OF STAFFING AND LE LE LEVEL OF PROGRAMMING IS GOING TO BE WHEN IT COMES DOWN FROM VIRGINIA TECH OR VIRGINIA STATE? WELL, I NO, YOU GREAT, GREAT POINT.
UH, 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S STILL IN QUESTION.
FOR, AND IT'S SOMETHING I KNOW ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF OUR BUDGET, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK, LOOK AT.
AND I, I GOT A CALL TODAY, TALKED TO AN INDIVIDUAL FROM A, A NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY, UM, THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO MAKE CUTS TO EXTENSION.
'CAUSE THEY, ON THE LOCAL SIDE, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP DOING IT EITHER.
SO, UM, I, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND, AND THEN MIKE PARIS, YOU KNOW, MIKE, MIKE SAID, LOOK, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE FOREVER.
AND SO WHEN, WHEN HE RETIRES AND TECH STARTS TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE AT HOW THE OPERATIONS OF THAT'S GONNA BE DONE, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY LOOKED AT.
NOW, SOMETHING I DIDN'T SAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT USDA AND SOME OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OVER THERE, THEY PAY RENT NOW IN THE BUILDING THAT THERE ARE.
AND SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A BIGGER BUILDING FOR EVERYONE THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD GET RENT MM-HMM
TO HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THAT COST IF, AND THE STANDARDS OF FEDERAL CONSTRUCTION'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TOO.
BUT, UM, THAT, THAT POSSIBLY COULD BE A WAY TO RECOUP SOME OF THE EXPENSES.
YOU GOT FARM SERVICES AND YOU'VE GOT EXTENSION, YOU'VE GOT SOIL AND WATER.
UH, THAT'S JUST PROBABLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GOT OTHER GRANT PROGRAMS YOU DO, UH, THAT THEY MANAGE.
BUT AGAIN, GENERALLY THOSE STAFFING DECISIONS AND PERSONNEL DECISION ARE MADE BY THE ADMINISTRATION AT VIRGINIA TECH AND THERE'S NOT THE COUNTY.
AND THEN, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNTY AND CONVINCE YOU THAT MORE STAFFING IS NEEDED.
AND THAT, THAT HITS OUR OPERATING, THE OPERATING SIDE OF OUR BUDGET A A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND WE'RE, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE MIKE AND THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE OVER THERE.
BUT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW I, I WON'T SAY THAT THE NEIGHBORING LOCALITY, THEY CALLED TODAY TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT NO, THEY'RE THEIR BOARD.
I MEAN, REALISTICALLY THEY JUST SAID, LOOK, WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP, KEEP DOING THESE SERVICES AT THE SAME FUNDING LEVEL THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE.
AND IT'S, IT'S A STATE, THE STATE NEEDS TO PAY, IT MAKES IT STATE VERSUS LOCAL A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND IF WE JUST KEEP PAYING IT AS LOCALITIES, THEN THE STATE CAN KEEP PUSHING THE EXPENSE ON TO THE COUNTY.
AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME CONCERN ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
WELL, THE OTHER THING TOO, YOU AND YOU ARE ALREADY AWARE OF IT AND, AND KEEP IT IN MIND, IS THAT THE WAY THE STATE DOES THIS IS THAT THEY WILL SAY, OKAY, WE WILL GIVE YOU A POSITION AND WE'LL PAY FOR IT FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S YOURS AND YOU CAN PAY THE DIFFERENCE.
SO IT'S THEN ONCE THE COUNTY GETS USED TO IT, IT BECOMES ALL OF THEIR FUNDING.
UH, EVEN THOUGH THE STATE MAY HAVE FRONTED IT FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS AND IT GOT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BY GETTING SOMETHING THAT'S FREE.
AND Y YOU DO, I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AND THE GRANTS THAT WE GET FOR THEM AND WE CAN GET IT PAID FOR FOR THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS AND THEN WE PAID HALF THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN THREE FOURTHS THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
AND THEN IT'S ALL ON YOU AFTER.
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THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.AND AGAIN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND I'VE, I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, MIKE IS, IS AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW HE'S REQUESTING IT THIS YEAR, UM, BUT THERE'S SOME STILL SOME QUESTIONS IN MY MIND.
I'M GONNA JUMP YOU DOWN TO NUMBER EIGHT.
NUMBER EIGHT IS THE LIVE FIRE TRAINING FACILITY.
AND SO THIS, THIS IS AN ASSET THAT THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR.
IT'S ABOUT A 2100 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY.
THAT FACILITY WOULD ALLOW THE, THE, UH, FIRE AND EMS DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO PRACTICE AND TRAIN FOR FIRE AND EMS. UH, WE'VE USED OTHER FACILITIES IN THE PAST.
WE'VE HAD SOME RELATIONSHIPS WITH WHAT IS NOW FORT BARFOOT WITH THE FORT PICKETT, UM, OF HAVING A FACILITY OVER THERE.
WE'VE KINDA LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER REGIONAL ASSETS.
I THINK WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE INVESTING IN FIRE AND EMS TO HAVE OUR, OUR OWN FACILITY, UM, I DUNNO IF Y'ALL CAN SEE THIS, THIS IS A, A GOOD PICTURE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS BASICALLY A, A CINDER BLOCK, UH, TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO, TO AGAIN HAVE A CONTROL BURN, HAVE OUR STAFF GO INTO IT AND BE ABLE TO TRAIN APPROPRIATELY.
GOT ONE NOT AWAY, HAS HAS ONE.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD ABOUT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER TO TO TO JOINT JOINTLY DO THAT.
WE A REGIONAL THING LIKE THE, LIKE THE JAIL.
AND WE, UH, PREVIOUSLY WHEN THERE WAS SOME FEDERAL FUNDS, WE, WE TRIED, WE PUT IN THE WHOLE REGION CAME TOGETHER AND, AND PUT FORTH A REGIONAL BURN FACILITY TOGETHER.
AND WE WEREN'T ABLE UNSUCCESSFUL TO GET ANY FEDERAL FUNDS TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT WE, WE HAVE THAT HERE.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR THIS IS THE MOWER, THE ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION COST, NOT NECESSARILY THE CONSTRUCTION.
THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE NEXT YEAR FOR THAT.
BUT THAT $125,000 IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE.
UH, NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST THAT CAME IN AGAIN FOR FIRE AND EMS AS WELL, BUT WE, WE HAVE THE, UH, AUTO PULSE, WHICH IS BASICALLY AN AUTOMATIC CPR DEVICE THAT'S ON OUR AMBULANCES AND SOME OF OUR FIRST RESPONDER VEHICLES.
SO THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO REPLACE, UM, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ON EVERY SINGLE AMBULANCE AND, AND SOME OF OUR PRIMARY FIRST RESPONDER VEHICLES.
AND THAT, THAT COST US $175,000 TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THAT.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF THE INTERESTING PIECE HERE.
WE, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY GOT THESE, WE GOT 'EM PRETTY MUCH AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO WHEN IT'S TIME TO MAINTAIN THEM AND EVEN IN, IN OUR, WE RECOGNIZE IT'S HARDER TO MAINTAIN THESE, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST CHEAPER TO, TO BUY THE NEW ONES THAN IT IS TO TRY TO, TO MAINTAIN THE OLD ONES.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE IN NUMBER NINE.
UM, WOULD YOU BE THE BEST PERSON TO ASK ABOUT THE USAGE ON THOSE, HOW FREQUENTLY THEY'RE USED? YEAH.
I, I HONESTLY DUNNO HOW FREQUENTLY THEY'RE USED.
I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY'RE NEEDED, THEY NEEDED THOSE THINGS THAT WHEN WE JUST KEEP IT IN GOOD OPERATING POSITION.
I MEAN, BUT I, I, BUT I, I, IS THAT SOMETHING Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN? NO, I, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE UM, THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT I THINK I IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE ON THE RECEIVING END OF IT.
IT SAYS IN THE RIGHT UP THAT THE REPAIR COSTS EXCEED THE VALUE OF MOOD.
BUT IT, IT DOES SAY THAT OBVIOUSLY HELPS DURING CARDIAC ARREST.
OUR DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE FREQUENCY, SO I WONDER WHAT THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE UNIT IS.
UM, IT DIDN'T SAY ACTUALLY ABOUT 10 YEARS.
10 YEARS, NINE OR 10 YEARS AGO.
SO HE, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
HOW BE THE NEXT ONE'S WON'T LAST THAT LONG.
THE, THE NEXT ONE, NUMBER 10, YOU'LL SEE THE, UM, AMBULANCE REPLACEMENT.
AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT 310,000 FOR AN AMBULANCE.
UM, ONE REASON YOU WILL NOT SEE AN FY 25 IF WE'RE ABLE TO AFFORD THE ONE IN FY 24.
UM, AND THE ONES THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR AND I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE ARPA MONEY AND THE CARES ACT MONEY, BEFORE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME AMBULANCES IN THE POSITION.
SO WE THINK WE CAN TAKE A BREAK IN 25.
BUT THEN FROM THAT POINT ON, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING STAFF
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THIS YEAR.UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE REPLACING AN AMBULANCE A YEAR, UM, ALL THE WAY OUT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT, UM, PARTICULAR PIECE.
UM, WE, WE HAVE NOW A FLEET OF ABOUT SEVEN AMBULANCES THAT WE USE TO DELIVER SERVICE.
AND EACH DAY, FOUR OF THOSE AMBULANCES ARE IN SERVICE.
SO THE OTHER THREE GO TO THE OTHER FIRE STATIONS AND VOLUNTEERS USE THEM WHEN NEEDED AND WHATNOT.
SO, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT FULLY STAFFING THAT FOURTH AMBULANCE THIS YEAR TOO.
UM, SO THIS ISN'T AN AREA, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CALL VOLUME, OUR CALL VOLUME IS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH AND CONTINUING TO GROW.
NO, THE, THE OVERALL POPULATION IS, IS DIFFERENT.
AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS LIKE AGAIN, MARK, YOU'LL SEE THIS TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 400,000, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO LOOK AT IS THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF, UM, ADJUSTMENT MADE TO THESE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE PAYING $400,000 FOR AN AMBULANCE IN 2033, I MEAN, NOT BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING AMBULANCE PRICES COMING IN ALREADY.
SO WE NEED TO PROBABLY FIGURE IN A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
ALRIGHT, NUMBER 11 IS A TANKER REPLACEMENT.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE GOT IT HERE IN, UH, 24, 26, 29 AND AND 30.
AND SO THESE ARE AT, UM, COMPANY ONE AND FOUR.
SO THIS IS ONE THAT WE HAD PUSHED BACK ONCE BEFORE, BUT WE REALLY FELT LIKE, UH, IF FIRE AND EMS FEELS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE PAID FOR THIS YEAR, WE'VE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING GRANTS, OTHER THINGS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO, TO, UM, THEN BE SUCCESSFUL HERE WITH THIS.
THESE TANKERS ARE A FAIRLY IMPORTANT PIECE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S ON THE SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENT.
SO EVERY TIME WE DON'T REPLACE ONE OF THESE, WHAT IT, WHAT IT REALLY DOES FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT, IT, IT REALLY, IT STARTS TO COMPRESS THE APPARATUS REPLACEMENT.
AND SO ACTUALLY IT, OUR COST WILL INCREASE IF WE DON'T STAY ON TOP OF IT.
NOW WE, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE OLD TANKERS, WE CAN USUALLY TAKE AN OLD TANKER AND MOVE IT TO A LESS CALL AREA WHEN WE GET THE NEW TANKERS COME IN.
AND THEN WHEN WE REALLY HAVE ABSOLUTE NO USE, THEN WE'LL SURPLUS IT AND, AND GET RID OF IT.
17 IS THE, THE ANIMAL SHELTER REPLACEMENT.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
AND SO WE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCE THIS YET BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF BEEN IN A, A LITTLE BIT OF THE LEGAL WORLD BETWEEN, UM, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND A AND, AND A, A PRIVATE ESTATE.
BUT WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL WHO PASSED AWAY AND THROUGH THE WILL GAVE A SIGNIFICANT DONATION AND WITH THE EXPECTATION OF THOSE FUNDS TO BE SPENT AT THE DIMITY ANIMAL SHELTER.
UM, WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION YET TO SAY HOW MUCH THAT IS, BUT THE, THE THOUGHT WAS, AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS, THIS SIGNIFICANT DONATION WOULD BE TO LOOK AT USING THOSE FUNDS TO REPLACE THE ANIMAL SHELTER THAT WE HAVE.
SO THE ANIMAL SHELTER THAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE IS BESIDE THE, IS AT THE LANDFILL.
AND SO IT WAS VERY COMMON IN THE FIFTIES AND THE SIXTIES WHEN YOU, IF YOU HAD A LANDFILL, THAT YOU PUT YOUR ANIMAL SHELTER BESIDE IT FOR THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF EUTHANASIA.
AND WHEN YOU WERE EUTHANIZING THE ANIMALS, YOU JUST THROW 'EM IN THE LANDFILL.
UM, NOW OVER TIME THAT'S KIND OF BEEN A DIFFERENT STIGMA OF I'M GONNA GO ADOPT AN ANIMAL, BUT I'M GONNA GO TO THE LANDFILL TO GO DO THAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE DECIDED TO, TO RELOCATE 'EM AWAY FROM LANDFILLS AND PUT THEM MORE INTO COMMERCIAL RETAIL LOCATIONS.
AND WHEN THEY DO, THEIR ADOPTION RATE GOES UP A LOT AND WE ARE ABLE TO SAVE, UM, BEING ABLE TO HAVE TO EUTHANIZE THE, NOW WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OUR, I MEAN, DEITY COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL WHEN IT COMES TO EUTHANASIA RATES.
I MEAN IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I GOT HERE.
BUT, UM, WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS, ANIMAL, UH, FRIENDLY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SO GOOD AT TRYING TO FIND HOMES FOR THESE.
BUT WITH THIS DONATION, ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE THE, THE AMOUNT AND SIZE OF THE DONATION, WE THINK THIS CAN AT LEAST GO A LONG WAY IN TRYING TO, TO RELOCATE THAT AWAY FROM THE, THE LANDFILL.
UM, AND I SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU WITH THE, THE, THE LIVE FIRE BUILDING, THAT'S A LOCATION FOR THAT.
WE ALREADY HAVE COUNTY PROPERTY, SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THAT IN THE CENTER PART OF THE COUNTY.
SO FREE UP SOME LAND IF WE CAN GET THIS OUT OF THERE.
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INTERESTING ABOUT THE, UH, PERCEPTION ABOUT WHERE IT'S LOCATED, HOW THAT RATES.SO DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF THE COUNTY WHERE YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT? YEAH, SO IN TALKING TO, UM, CHIEF LANGLEY ON, ON THAT, I MEAN, I THINK HE WOULD LIKE TO STAY IN THE VILLAGE AREA.
UM, BUT TRY TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ON, ON ROUTE ONE WOULD BE A GOOD LOCATION IF WE COULDN'T FIND A LOCATION THERE TO DO IT.
PUSHING IT CLOSER TO THE NORTHERN END WHERE YOU HAVE A GREATER POPULATION BASE, UM, MIGHT BE A BETTER, THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE LOCATIONS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY NONE OF THEM ARE COUNTY CONTROLLED.
SO WE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL AREA.
IF YOU COULD HIT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, UM, FOUR 60 AND 7 0 3 ON ROUTE ONE, THAT AREA WOULD BE BE IDEAL.
UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS EVEN ON FOUR 60 THAT'S MAYBE IN THE SUTHERLAND AREA WOULDN'T BE A BAD LOCATION, BUT KEEP IN MIND WITH THIS BEING NOT JUST ADOPTIONS, BUT THIS IS WHERE ANIMAL CONTROL WILL WORK OUT OF.
SO THE, THE CENTER PART OF THE COUNTY IS BETTER WHEN YOU'RE DISPATCHING FOR CALLS.
ALTHOUGH MAJORITY OF OUR CALLS ARE, THEY'RE ALREADY OUT AT ANOTHER PLACE IN THE COUNTY AND THEY GET ANOTHER CALL TO GO TO A A ANOTHER PLACE.
SO, BUT YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE PSYCHE ASSOCIATE, BUT YOU'LL SEE IT TO BE DETERMINED.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, TO SEE WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT REGISTER
UM, ALRIGHT, SO NUMBER 22, THAT'S THE NEXT ONE THAT, THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE.
22 IS FROM JEAN JONES AND THAT'S OUR, OUR TOWER SITES.
LAST YEAR I BROUGHT TWO, TWO SITES TO YOU.
THIS IS THE THIRD SITE THAT WOULD NEED TO GET DONE.
SO YOU THINK ABOUT OUR, OUR, THESE ARE OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION TOWERS.
AND SO THERE ARE HUTS AT EACH ONE OF THESE TOWERS THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE THE HUTS COOLED AND HEATED TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE SO THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T MESS UP.
AND SO IT'S A CRITICAL PART OF OUR RADIO SYSTEM TO HAVE THESE HEATED AND COOLED.
AND SO THIS IS A, A ONE THAT HAS TO BE REPLACED AT THAT.
LAST YEAR I CAME TO YOU AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONTROL SYSTEM AT THE PAMPLIN BUILDING.
UM, AND THIS IS IN, AGAIN, THE REGISTRAR AND THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO REPLACE THE CONTROLS.
BUT IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR I TOLD YOU WE WERE GONNA BE COMING BACK AND WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE ROOFTOP UNITS NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
SO THE $300,000 THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, UH, FOR THAT IS ACTUALLY GETTING THAT ON, ON TOP OF THE ROOF AND, AND GETTING THAT, THAT REPLACED FOR THAT.
28 IS A PARKS AND REC PROJECT.
AND SO WHAT MR. VINES IS LOOKING AT, HE, HE'S HAD, UM, A LOT OF REQUESTS TO USE EAST SIDE, ESPECIALLY DURING THE WINTER MONTHS WHEN HE GETS DARK SOONER.
UM, WE'RE IN NEED OF, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE NUMBER ONE ATHLETIC SPORT IN THE REC DEPARTMENT? SOCCER.
SO, UM, WE STILL, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S FOOTBALL OR THEY THINK IT'S BASKETBALL, BUT SOCCER BY FAR IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST, BIGGEST ONES.
UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PRACTICE SPACES AND, YOU KNOW, THE FIELD THAT WE HAVE LIGHTS ON NOW IS AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX AND THAT GETS COMPLETELY FULL, UH, ESPECIALLY DURING THE SOCCER SEASONS.
SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS, THIS WOULD ACTUALLY LIGHT THE ENTIRE, UH, KIND OF GRASS AREA OF EAST SIDE AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF USE.
SO WHAT HE'S PLANNING ON DOING IN ORDER TO GET THIS COST WHERE HE'S RECOMMENDING IT TO BE, UH, YEARS AGO THERE WAS A, A, UM, A DRIVING RANGE THAT WE GOT A CALL THAT THEY WERE WANTING TO KNOW IF WE WANTED THEIR LIGHT POLES, THAT THEY WERE GOING OUTTA BUSINESS AND WE JUST NEEDED TO COME GET 'EM.
GENE JONES JUMPED IN THE TRUCK, GOT HIS TRAILER, AND WENT OUT THERE AND, UH, WAS ABLE TO GET, GET THESE POLES.
THESE POLES HAVE BEEN IN THE LANDFILL FOR SOME TIME.
SO BEING THAT HE HAD THE POLES, IT, IT, IT'S MORE OF A SITUATION OF JUST GETTING THE EQUIPMENT.
SO WE HAVE, WE LOOKED AT MUSCOW LIGHTING AND SO THEY, THEY'VE ACTUALLY COME IN AND DONE AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THIS COST IS ACTUALLY SAVED AND I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THEM WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET THIS COST.
THIS WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER IF WE ACTUALLY HAD TO GET OUR OWN POLES IN CERTAIN EQUIPMENT.
BUT, UM, INE SAYS IT WILL, IT WILL COMPLETE THE LIGHT UP ALL THE GRASSY AREA, THE OUTDOOR AMENITIES TO INCLUDE THE SOCCER FIELD, THE PATIO AREA, AND THE PLAYGROUND AREA OUT AT, UM, AT EAST SIDE.
THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO A PARKS AND REC 29.
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SO WHEN, WHEN RAY STARTED DOING THE FACILITY STUDY, AND LIKE I SAID, I JUST GOT THE DRAFT TODAY, HAVEN'T LOOKED THROUGH IT TOO MUCH, BUT THE ONE AREA THAT WHEN WE WERE DOING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DISCUSSION AND SURVEYS THAT CAME OUT THE MOST WAS THAT PEOPLE IN DENEE COUNTY WANTED, UH, OUTDOOR BASKETBALL COURTS AND ANOTHER AREA WAS PICKLEBALL.AND SO WHAT, WHAT RAY WAS ABLE TO DO, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MASTER PLAN OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX, WE BUILT EVERYTHING ON RP PRB, PAMPLIN DRIVE EAST, AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT WEST OF RB, PAMPLIN BANK, THAT WAS PHASE TWO.
AND THEN PHASE THREE IS, IS ACTUALLY BEHIND THAT AREA.
SO THIS IS THE, THE IDEA OF THE LOCATION OF THESE BASKETBALL COURTS.
IT WAS THE MASTER PLAN SHOWS BASKETBALL COURTS AND TENNIS COURTS.
BUT WHEN YOU FIRST DRIVE ON TO RB PAMPLIN DRIVE, IT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND THE SPORTS COMPLEXES ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
SO THIS IS JUST THE COST FOR THE COURTS.
THE COURT FOR ONE COURT, IT WAS 189,000 FOR TWO COURTS, IT WAS 379,000.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF HOT OFF THE PRESSES FOR US.
WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN SOME COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE BASKETBALL COURTS.
SO THERE ACTUALLY, UM, THEY'RE NOT PAVEMENT TYPE COURTS.
SO IF YOU'VE SEEN ANY MORE MODERN BASKETBALL, OUTDOOR BASKETBALL COURTS, THERE'S THIS, UM, THERE'S THIS SURFACE CALLED POWER GAME TILE.
IT'S LIKE A, A TILE THAT HAS THE ACTUAL LINES ALREADY IN THE, IN THE TILE THEMSELVES AND THEY'RE BETTER ON YOUR KNEES AND WHATNOT.
SO IT'S NOT AN ASPHALT, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR PICKLEBALL.
SO YOU COULD, THESE COURTS COULD BE USED FOR BOTH PURPOSES.
SO YOU GOT TWO, UM, HIGH SCHOOL SIZE, REGULAR, UH, REGULATION SIZE BASKETBALL COURTS.
THEY WOULD HAVE A 10 FOOT FENCE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND, UM, THE OUTSIDE.
AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE TWO COURTS, THERE WOULD BE A FIVE FOOT FENCE IN BETWEEN.
AND SO, UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE COURTS COULD THEN FURTHER BE DIVIDED INTO PICKLEBALL COURTS.
SO YOU, IT'D BE PICKLEBALL AND, AND BASKETBALL AT $379,000 THERE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PICKLEBALL FACILITIES AT VILLE CENTER MCKINNEY, BUT I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT SOMEONE SAID THEY'RE NOT VERY USABLE DURING THE SUMMERTIME BECAUSE THERE'S NO AIR CONDITIONING AND IT'S TOO HOT TO PLACE.
IS ANYTHING TO THAT, AND IF SO, YEAH, CAN WE LOOK AT THAT HVAC IN THERE? YEAH, I, I'VE KNOWN IN THE PAST THAT WE, WHEN WE, WE ACQUIRED THAT FACILITY FROM THE MCKINNEY TON, UM, AND IT IS HEATED, BUT THERE'S JUST MAJOR FANS THAT ARE AT THE TOP.
SO IT'S NOT AIR CONDITIONED IN THAT.
UM, AND THEY'RE INDOOR COURTS, THEY'RE NOT OUTDOOR COURTS FOR THAT.
SO YEAH, THAT, I KNOW THAT THE MASTER PLAN THAT RAY HAS LOOKED AT, LOOKS AT ALL OF OUR FACILITIES AND ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THOSE MAY BE MORE THAN LIKELY, IT'LL PROBABLY SOMETHING FLUSHED OUT OF THAT MASTER PLAN.
UM, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME TRUTH TO THAT, TO THAT PIECE.
WELL, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, IF WE WANTED TO INCREASE BASKETBALL COURT OR PICKLEBALL COURT, I, THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER OPTION.
BE A WAY OF GOING THEN START THIS REACTION.
OR, OR AT LEAST MAYBE IT'S A POSSIBILITY TO DO BOTH.
KEVIN, KEVIN, I, I, I, SORRY I'M LATE.
I TOLD HIM THAT I HAD SOMETHING I'D ALREADY COMMITTED TO.
BUT THE QUESTION ABOUT THAT, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER, I GUESS IT MCKENNEY THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF MM-HMM
HAS ANYBODY EVER PRICED, UH, NEW HEAT HEATING AND COOLING? WE, WE HAVE, I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT IT IS.
IT'S A, UM, WHEN WE FIRST GOT IT, THE THOUGHT WAS WE WERE GONNA USE IT FOR INDOOR BASKETBALL MAINLY.
AND THAT GAVE US ANOTHER BASKETBALL OPPORTUNITY.
AND BASKETBALL BEING MAINLY A WINTER SPORT THAT THE FUEL OIL, I THINK IS LIKE NUMBER TWO, FUEL OIL, WHICH IS HEATED BY, UM, THE HEATING WAS COVERED, NOT THE AIR CONDITIONING, BUT WHAT THE FACILITY STUDY WAS TO DO FOR RAY IS TO LOOK AT ALL THESE ASSETS AND DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO BRING THEM UP TO MAYBE A MORE USEFUL LEVEL.
SO AGAIN, I, I JUST GOT THE REPORT TODAY.
I'M SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH TAMMY AND, AND RAY NEXT WEEK TO GO OVER IT.
I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT ALL OF OUR PARKS AND REC, INCLUDING THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS FACILITIES ARE PART OF THIS PLAN.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PRIORITIZING SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO IT COULD VERY WELL BE WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU MISSED WAS, THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT MOVE FORWARD ON.
UM, BUT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN FUTURE YEARS A LOT MORE QUALITY OF LIFE PARKS AND REC PROJECTS THAT YOU DON'T
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SEE HERE THIS YEAR.SO YOU'RE, WE ARE WAITING FOR THE PLAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WELL, I KNOW THAT, UH, TALKING ABOUT PICKLEBALL, UH, COUNTRY CLUB PETERSBURG HAS SHUT DOWN A COUPLE OF TENNIS COURTS BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT IN AMERICA.
CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, WE, WE TALKED A LOT WITH JOE CASEY, DR. CASEY OVER IN CHESTERFIELD, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST A CRAVE OF, AND IT'S VERY FAST GROWING.
UM, SO ONE OF THE, SO AGAIN, THE THOUGHT OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX AND EVEN, I GUESS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT OUT THERE WAS I DROPPED LITTLE SUSIE, LITTLE JOHNNY OFF TO GO PLAY FOOTBALL BASKET, WHATEVER, SOME SOFTBALL.
THIS WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO PLAY PICKLEBALL OR GO PLAY BASKETBALL.
OF COURSE IT WOULD BE MANAGED.
SO THERE, WE ASKED ABOUT AN OPERATIONAL INCREASE.
WILL IT REQUIRE ANY OPERATIONAL INCREASE TO DO THIS? AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT USING THE FACILITIES MANAGER THAT THEY HAVE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WE KINDA SAID, IT'S NOT REALLY AN UPFRONT OPERATIONAL COST.
UM, I WOULD IMAGINE IF IT TAKES OFF AND IT, YEAH, IT DOES GET BUILT THAT OTHER PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE GONNA BE LOOKED AT TOO.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE UP HERE TOO, WE, WE SKIPPED OVER, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT THIS YEAR, BUT FERNDALE, APPOMATTOX, RIVERSIDE PARK.
SO FLAR IS LOOKING AT, UM, GOING AFTER SOME FEDERAL FUNDING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, BUT THAT'S A, WE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO COME AND JUST GIVE YOU A, A COMPLETE PRESENTATION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, BUT IT REALLY COMPLETELY RENOVATES FERNDALE PARK.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE CITY'S PARK.
AND OUR CONCERN OVER THE YEARS IS BEFORE THE COUNTY STARTS INVESTING INTO THAT PARK, UM, WE AT LEAST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER IT.
SO THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE.
YOU MENTIONED JOE CASEY, I THIS PHYSICAL PICKLEBALL RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE BASKETBALL COURT.
NOW, UM, WE'RE NOT SHOWING THIS PRICE DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY LIGHTING.
AND SO THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF WHETHER IT NEEDED TO BE AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX ON FOUR 60 OR WHETHER IT NEEDED TO BE AT EAST SIDE ON ROUTE ONE.
THE VALUE OF IT BEING ON FOUR 60 IS THAT IT'S AT A MORE HIGHLY VISIBLE AREA.
AND WITH THEM BEING AT THE FRONT, IT WOULD BE BETTER THAN AT EAST SIDE WHERE YOU MAYBE WOULD HAVE IT NOT AT THE, AT THE FRONT.
SO A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HAVE JUST SAID, WHEN IT COMES TO BASKETBALL COURTS, YOU WANT THEM KIND OF IN HIGHLY VISIBLE AREAS, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY WHERE THEY CAN'T BE SEEN.
UM, BUT THERE'S NO LIGHTING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE ACTUAL COURTS THEMSELVES.
SO I'M GONNA MOVE OVER TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO THE, THE, IF YOU GO TO NUMBER 31, THIS IS WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OUR SCHOOL BUSES, BUT OUR SCHOOL BUS REPLACEMENT.
UM, SO I'M OLD ENOUGH IN DENWOOD COUNTY, AT LEAST THAT I CAN REMEMBER.
THE FIRST SCHOOL BUS, CIP WHERE WE WERE AT LIKE $48,000 A BUS.
UM, THESE BUS PRICES ARE $113,000 A BUS.
SO JUST IN MY CAREER THEY
BUT SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN 24 IS FOR FIVE SCHOOL BUSES AND 20 25 6, IT GOES UP TO SEVEN BUSES AND 39 BUSES AND 32 AND THEN BACK DOWN TO SIX BUSES.
SO AGAIN, WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER, WHEN IT COMES TO SCHOOL BUSES, WE, WE GENERALLY TRY TO GET THIS IS WITH THEM GOING FROM, IN SOME CASES DOUBLE RUNS, HIGHER CALL AREAS, LONGER RUNS, SHORT RUNS, BUT WE, I KNOW THE SCIENCE OF IT IN DENWOODY, BUT IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 14 YEARS BEFORE WE GET TO THE POINT THAT WE JUST HAVE TO REPLACE THE BUS.
AND SO THAT BY LOOKING AT THAT SCHEDULE, THAT'S HOW WE'RE ABLE TO COME UP WITH, WITH THIS DOLLAR FIGURE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THEIR TOP PRIORITIES FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
UH, NEXT ONE, NUMBER 32 GETS INTO, UH, SUNNYSIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO THIS PROJECT WASN'T IDENTIFIED PREVIOUSLY ON ANY PLAN.
SO THIS IS WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL FACILITY STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING.
THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF I'M TRYING TO PREVENT FROM HAPPENING.
UM, SO THIS WAS NEVER ON A PLAN.
THE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WENT IN TO TRY TO MAKE AN HVAC IMPROVEMENT TO SUNNYSIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND WHEN THEY DID, UM, A PART OF
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THIS WAS THAT A, A PRECURSOR WAS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AN ELECTRICAL UPGRADE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A NEW HVAC SYSTEM.AND THAT ELECTRICAL UPGRADE IS BEING ESTIMATED TO BE AT, AT A, AT A A MILLION DOLLARS JUST BEFORE YOU EVEN GET INTO THE HVAC UPGRADE, WHICH WOULD COME IN A SUBSEQUENT YEAR.
SO NOWHERE IN THE CIP WE FIND THIS ISSUE.
AND SO THIS IS ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO FIGURE OUT THIS YEAR, UM, WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S AT SUNNYSIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT UPGRADE.
IS THERE, HAS, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AT THE CIP MEETING LAST, LAST TIME ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS? UH, AT, WHAT IS IT? SOUTH SIDE SOUTH, SOUTH SIDE.
SOUTH SIDE ON ROUTE ONE? YEAH, THOSE HAD, WE LAST I HEARD THERE WE, THAT HAD BEEN FIXED.
UH, WE HAD TALKED TO THE PRINCIPAL THERE, SHERRY CULBERT, AND SHE INDICATED THAT, THAT THAT HAD BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, UH, TWO YEARS AGO.
UH, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND IT REALLY SOUNDED VERY CRITICAL.
YEAH, THEY, SO THE GOOD THING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE RECEIVED OUR ARPA MONEY, IF YOU LOOKED AT ALL THE SCHOOLS, THE SCHOOLS HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF THE, WHAT THEY CALL THE SMALL CAPITAL ITEMS. THEY, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS, UM, WITH THE MONIES THAT THEY'VE HAD, WHICH IS GOOD.
AND MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF IS THAT 1 MILLION ELECTRICAL JUST SEEMS UNUSUAL BECAUSE, I DUNNO,
WESTON AND I, UM, WE'VE BEEN, CAN'T MEET BECAUSE OF SCHEDULING CONFLICTS, BUT SHE WANTED TO SIT DOWN AND KIND OF GO OVER THIS PROJECT WITH ME.
AND IT'S JUST THE JUSTIFICATION AND WHAT THEY TURNED IN, UM, WITH THAT THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADE AT SUNNYSIDE WAS NECESSARY AS A PRECURSOR BEFORE THE NEEDED HVAC SYSTEM UPGRADE.
IT JUST STRIKE ME AS IT'S, IT'S, YEAH.
BUT HVAC HAS GOT MORE EFFICIENT THAN INEFFICIENT, SO IT SHOULDN'T NEED THE ELECTRICITY IT NEEDED IN THE PAST TO RUN WHAT THEY HAVE.
I'M, I'M HOPING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
'CAUSE THAT'S, I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU, IF WE JUST DO THE THINGS WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO.
THE, THE BUSES AND THE, THE AMBULANCES AND THE POLICE CARS.
THIS MAKES TWO SEVEN, AND I TOLD YOU OUR TARGET THIS YEAR WAS 2 MILLION, MAYBE TWO.
WELL, I WANT DESCRIBE, I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT I MEAN, FACILITY REPLACE WAS 50 YEARS OLD GOING DOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, USING THAT AS A GAUGE USEFUL? YOU WOULD THINK.
I MEAN, I, I TIME I, AIR FORCE GAVE ME A LIFETIME.
WELL, AND HOPEFULLY BY THE MAY MEETING, WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA COME BACK MORE PRIORITIZED WITH, WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
UM, 'CAUSE I REALLY WOULD, I MEAN, EVERYTHING I'VE TOLD Y'ALL TODAY, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO PAY CASH FOR I, WITH INTEREST RATES WHERE THEY ARE.
I REALLY WOULD TRY HARD NOT TO BORROW MONEY THIS YEAR, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE NOT SEEING, UM, A BIG REVENUE INCREASE THIS YEAR.
SO I, I'M TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT.
UH, NUMBER 33 IS, UH, UH, THE TURF FIELD, UH, AT THE, WHAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS ASKING FOR IS A, A $1.6 MILLION, UH, CHANGE OVER TO THE FIELD.
THE, IT IS JUST THE FIELD ITSELF.
UM, SO THE, THE IDEA, I THINK REGIONALLY, THEY'RE STARTING TO BE MORE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT ARE CONVERTING OVER TO TURF VERSUS NATURAL, UM, SYNTHETIC VERSUS SYNTHETIC VERSUS NATURAL.
UH, SO MOST RECENTLY, THE CITY OF PETERSBURG HAS COMPLETED THEIR FOOTBALL FIELD WITH A COMPLETE SYNTHETIC.
UM, AND TALKING TO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, UH, EARLIER, PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, IS THEY, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE APPROPRIATING ABOUT 1.5 MILLION TO, FOR THE ROYALS FIELD TO BE CHANGED TO SYNTHETIC.
UM, I KNOW THE SCHOOL SYSTEM LOOKED AT THIS A FEW YEARS AGO AS ABOUT A MILLION.
SO THAT'S A, A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN JUST THREE, FOUR YEARS.
UH, PETERSBURG'S FIELD WAS 1.3, AND PRINCE GEORGE'S ESTIMATING THEIRS TO BE 1.5.
SO I DON'T THINK THE COST IS OFF.
SO I, I, I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YEARS AGO EVERYTHING WAS NATURAL AND SOMEBODY THOUGHT IT SHOULD GO SYNTHETIC, AND THEN THERE WERE A LOT OF INJURIES RESULTING FROM SYNTHETIC.
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SO THERE WAS THIS MOVEMENT BACK TOWARD, UH, NATURAL.SO I DON'T, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT'S DRIVING THOSE? THE ON SYNTHETIC? YEAH.
THE NEW, THE NEW TERM IN, UH, WELL, THE OLD YOU USED CALL IT ASTROTURF, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT.
BUT THE NEW SYNTHETIC TURK NET THAT THEY PUT DOWN HAS REDUCED THE INJURIES FROM THE ORIGINAL ONES.
IT IS A LOT SAFER NOW FOR THE PLAYERS.
AND, AND IT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
UH, IF YOU WATCH THE SYNTHETIC TURF NET WHEN SOMEBODY HITS THE GROUND, YOU SEE ALMOST GRANULAR RUBBER SPLASH UP.
UM, NOW WITH THE NEW SYNTHETIC, TO YOUR POINT, WHEN YOU, YOU DO, YOU SEE LIKE BASEBALL FIELDS, WHEN YOU SEE THE BALL, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, JAMES MADISON UNIVERSITY HAS A COMPLETE SYNTHETIC FIELD.
THE, THE BROWN IN THE INFIELD ISN'T DIRT, IT'S, IT'S JUST BROWN SYNTHETIC.
BUT WHEN THE BALLS HIT, YOU CAN, EVERY TIME IT SKIPS YOU SEE THE, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, IT, IT IS, IT IS A, THE TECHNOLOGY IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WERE HEARING ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.
SO MANY OF THIS LADY, UH, SCHOOLS HAVE GONE TO SIMPLY CALLED THE MAINTENANCE, TRYING TO MAINTAIN NATURAL TURF, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN A HOT CLIMATE.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT WOULD THAT FIELD BE ADAPTABLE, UM, TO FOOTBALL AND SOCCER? WELL, FROM WHAT THEY INDICATED HERE, IT, IT DOES A COUPLE THINGS.
SO IT, IT ACTUALLY, UM, WOULD ALLOW THEM FOR BEING ABLE TO USE THE FIELD FOR SO MANY MORE DIFFERENT THINGS THAN WHAT THEY CAN NOW.
UM, WEATHER IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE FOR GAMES.
UM, FOR THE GAMES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, THE PE CLASSES WOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND USE THE FIELD.
SO THAT'S NOT JUST A EXTRACURRICULAR ATHLETIC ACTIVITY.
IT WOULD BE A, A SCHOOL PURPOSE AS WELL, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING INTO OTHER THINGS THAT WE DON'T DO HERE, LIKE FIELD HOCKEY, LACROSSE AND SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE FOUR A? UM, SO YOU, YOU, SOME OTHER FOUR A HIGH SCHOOLS ARE DOING SOME OF THOSE ATHLETICS AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE INDICATING IT COULD IN DO THAT AS WELL.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR THEM ON THIS PARTICULAR PART, IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S FUNDED OR WHEN IT'S FUNDED, WHAT IS THE LIFE CYCLE OF IT? AND ARE WE, I SAID, I, I REMEMBER YEARS AGO TO THE POINT THAT IT WAS THAT THE MAINTENANCE WEREN'T SO MUCH OF AN ISSUE.
BUT NOW I'VE HEARD THAT MAINTENANCE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE PELLETS THAT ARE PUT DOWN TO TRY TO KEEP IT.
UM, AND THAT YOU'RE MAYBE LOOKING AT A 10 YEAR LIFE CYCLE BEFORE YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT.
THE TURF ITSELF WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED PROBABLY IN A FINITE PERIOD OF TIME, BUT ALL THE PREP WORK FOR THE TURF BE LAID ON, WHETHER IT'S SOME KIND OF COMPACTION OR ALL THE LEVELING HAS TO BE DONE.
GENERALLY WHAT THEY DO NOW IS THEY PULL UP THE TURF AND THEN PUT DOWN NEW TURF OVER TOP THE SAME SUBSTRATE.
SO IT SHOULD, YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE ESTIMATING AFTER GETTING AN ARCHITECT ENGINEER TO LOOK AT IT, THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE SITE IMPROVEMENTS OF ABOUT $75,000 TO LEVEL IT TO GET IT TO WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE.
UM, BUT THE TOTAL COST BEING ABOUT 1.6 MILLION JERSEY.
WELL, THAT'S THE FUNNIEST THING, MS. TUCKER, WHEN I WATCH THESE BASEBALL GAMES AND THEY SLIDE IN THE SECOND AND THEY GET UP AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO WIPE THE DIRT OFF OF 'EM AND THEN NO DIRT.
I WAS, UH, A COUPLE THINGS, DID THEY SAY HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO REPLACE IT ONCE THEY STARTED? THEY DID NOT.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT TRACK FOR STATE OF THE ART TRACK, UH, AT ONE TIME.
AND I WAS WONDERING HOW WILL THAT AFFECT THAT, IF ANY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS, UH, WOULD THAT FEEL, IS THAT A, I KNOW THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T ASK FOR IT.
WOULD THAT BE BE HEATED UNDERNEATH? I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ASKING FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ALRIGHT, BECAUSE I, I KNOW THE, I KNOW THE SAFETY PAD IN SANDRA, BECAUSE WE MM-HMM
PLAYGROUND IN FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN.
WE GOT THE SAME PAD THAT GOES ON ON THAT
SOMETHING WE CAN ASK THEM TO SEE.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T IN INDICATE AT ALL THAT IT'S ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
NOT THAT'S JUST RANDOM QUESTIONS I HAD IN MY MIND.
NO, I, I JUST THOUGHT IF IT WAS ALL, IF YOU HAD IT RIGHT WITH YOU, AND IT, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THAT
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I THINK TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, YOU'VE GOT THE, UM, POPULARITY OF NAVY NATION STATE CHAMPIONS.WESTON AND, AND JEFF WALTERS ABOUT THIS, IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POPULAR POPULARITY IS PROBABLY THE BEST IT'S EVER BEEN WITH NOW TWO STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS.
AND I THINK THE WAY THEY REFER TO IT, WE'VE GOT THE PREMIER PROGRAM AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE WORST FIELDS IN THE REGION, UM, COMPARED TO PRINCE GEORGE GETS A NEW FIELD AND PETERSBURG GETS A NEW FIELD.
I THINK THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY, WHEN I MENTIONED THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS YESTERDAY, THEY, THEY SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE TO ASSIST IN SOME WAY TOO.
WE WERE ABLE TO WORK LAST YEAR, I BROUGHT BACK TO YOU THE, THE, THE BOOSTER CLUBS WANTING TO DO THESE PROJECTS AND RAISE SOME FUNDS THEMSELVES AND MATCH FUNDS.
AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO DO THAT WITH THE COWBELL BOOSTERS AND, AND DO THIS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, UM, AS WELL, NOT JUST ALL TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BUT, UH, I GOT ANOTHER ONE, NOT NOTHING IN THERE WAS MENTIONED ABOUT MOVING THE PRESS BOX TO THE CENTER OF THE FIELD.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S THREE OTHER SIGNIFICANT PIECES OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO, AND THAT'S TO MOVE THE PRESS BOX.
THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS DOWN TO THE RESTROOM FACILITIES AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING, UH, WELL, ACTUALLY FOUR.
THE THIRD IS TO THE VISITORS BLEACHERS.
WE'VE HAD SOME COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS ON THE VISITOR SIDE THAT THERE ARE NO, UM, CENTER AISLES.
THEY'RE ALL THE OLD, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE HAD PEOPLE FALL, WE'VE HAD OLDER PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME, THERE'S, THEY, THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY SAFELY CAN MANEUVER TO THE TOP.
UM, SO APPARENTLY THE CONDITION OF THOSE AREN'T THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
UM, AND THEN THE FOURTH THING WAS ONCE THE PRESS BOX WAS MOVED, THAT YOU COULD, WHAT THEY CALLED THE HILL, YOU KNOW, WHERE KIDS USUALLY WANT TO GO ROLL DOWN THE HILL, UH, THAT AREA TO EXTEND BLEACHERS ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT SIDE TOO.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME MORE EXPENSE THAT COULD BE DONE THAN JUST THE FIELD ITSELF.
WELL, OUTSIDE OF SCHOOLS, WE GOT TWO MORE LEFT.
44 IS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND THESE ARE THE VEHICLES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR I CAME TO YOU AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIX THAT WE NEEDED TO REPLACE THIS A SIX AGAIN, THIS YEAR.
UM, WE HAVE HAD THE MOST DIFFICULT TIME FINDING VEHICLES TO REPLACE.
AND SO WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOT, AND STEVE KENNEDY, SOME OF THE OTHERS ARE THERE AS SOON, AS SOON AS WE HEAR FIVE OR SIX VEHICLES AVAILABLE.
IF YOU DIDN'T GET 'EM IN THE FIRST TWO OR THREE HOURS, THEY WERE GONE.
AND SO WE, WE ENDED UP HAVING TO BUY SOME USED VEHICLES THIS YEAR, JUST 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T FIND THE NEW ONES.
UM, WHAT WE USED TO SEE, WHICH WAS MORE OF THE POLICE CRUISER WITH THE POLICE PACKAGE AS IS GOING AWAY.
SO A LOT OF OUR MAJOR MANUFACTURERS AREN'T DOING THAT ANYMORE.
UM, AND I KNOW THE SHERIFF PREFERS THE POLICE CRUISER OVER AN SUV, UM, BUT I THINK EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE TO SUVS, SUVS TO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SEEING THE, THE CRUISER TYPE ANYMORE.
UM, SO, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IN THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR SIX THIS YEAR.
AND, AND WE, AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT NUMBER CARRIED ALL THE WAY OUT TO, TO 2033.
UM, AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT THE PRICE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OVER TIME, I THINK, TO REFLECT THE TIMING.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, JUST THINK ABOUT IT FROM A POLICE CAR PERSPECTIVE.
WHEN, WHEN A DEPUTY GOES FROM A DEAD STOP CATCHING SOMEONE WHO IS, YOU, YOU COULD SPEAK TO THIS MORE THAN ANYBODY, BUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE GOING FROM A DEAD STOP TO CATCH A SPEEDER, YOU KNOW, THE WEAR AND TEAR THAT YOU PUT ON THAT VEHICLE, AND YOU'VE GOTTA GET SOMETHING THAT'S GOTTA GET UP PRETTY QUICK.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF OURS IN, IN THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, I THINK WE HAD 10 THAT ARE OVER 130,000 MILES.
UM, WE HAD ONE LAST YEAR OVER 180,000 MILES THAT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA BE IN A, YOU KNOW, 150, 160,000 MILE VEHICLE WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO WE HAVE TO CYCLE THOSE VEHICLES OFFERING, DOING PATROL TO DOING SOME OTHER LESS, UM, HARD ON THE VEHICLE TYPE OF THINGS.
AND SO SIX A YEAR IS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH POLICE CARS.
TO ME, THIS IS THE EASIEST ONE TO FIX.
IF THEY GET OUT THERE AND DO SELECTIVE SERVICE MORE THAN THEY'RE DOING NOW, THEY PAY FOR THEIR OWN CARS.
AND I MEAN, REALLY, I MEAN, NOBODY'S WRITING TICKETS ANYMORE MORE HARDLY.
YOU REALLY SEE THEM OUT THERE.
UH, WELL, YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE
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TO ASK FOR THAT MONEY.ALL THE LAST, ALMOST EVERY MORNING WHEN I WALK, I SEE SOMEBODY OUT THERE ALMOST EVERY MORNING.
THE LAST TIME THEY WERE A BIG TICKET.
SOMEBODY, IT HAD TO BE SOMEBODY IN THE COUNTY.
THEY WAS SITTING BEHIND THE TREE, WHAT IS IT, 60 ON
SO WE, I TELL YOU TO, OUR PHILOSOPHY WHEN IT COMES TO, TO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TOLD, WE OF COURSE WE, I, MY LIFE CAREER HERE, I'VE WORKED WITH NUMEROUS DIFFERENT SHERIFFS AND, AND MY PHILOSOPHY, AND I THINK THE BOARDS TOO IS WE DON'T WANNA DIRECTLY TIE TICKET WRITING TO GOING DIRECTLY TO THE, THE PROCEEDS GOING TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
'CAUSE I, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET THE FEELING THAT YOU'RE POLICING FOR PROFIT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TO YOUR POINT, THAT THE MORE TICKETS THAT ARE WRITTEN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES BRING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
BUT THERE'S A REASON WHY WHEN A, LIKE A STATE TROOPER WRITES A TICKET, THAT MONEY DOESN'T GO BACK TO THE STATE POLICE.
SO I, I DON'T, YOU DON'T, YOU JUST DON'T WANNA SET THAT TYPE OF FEELING.
AND THERE IS, THERE IS AN, A NATURAL AMOUNT OF TICKETS THAT SHOULD BE WRITTEN EVERY SHIFT.
ASK THE AVERAGE CITIZEN, DO YOU WANT TO PAY MORE IN TAXES OR WOULD YOU RATHER THE POLICE TO WRITE MORE TICKETS TO PAY FOR THEIR CARS? AND I'LL GUARANTEE YOU, THEY'LL SAY, WRITE MORE TICKETS TO PAY FOR THEIR CARS UNTIL THEY GET THE TICKET.
AND THEY SAY, I GOT THE TICKET.
BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR FAULT AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, IF THEY, WELL HAS DATA THAT SAYS HOW MANY TICKETS THEY WROTE LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE THAT.
AND THIS YEAR I KEEP, I GET ALL THOSE STATISTICS.
SO LAST YEAR ON SHIFT WE WROTE 2100 TICKETS ON SHIFT TWO A SHIFT.
OR DO YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE NOT WRITING TO A SHIFT LIKE SUSSEX, SUSSEX COUNTY MANDATORY TO WRITE SHIFT.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SU SPEECH.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, WELL, IT'S A PERFORMANCE MEASURE IN SUSSEX.
AND THAT, WHAT Y'ALL CALL IT, AND IT'S NOT A QUOTA, IT'S LIKE A PERFORMANCE MEASURE.
BUT 2100, HOW ABOUT THE YEAR BEFORE THAT? UM, THIS IS ON SHIFT.
THIS IS DURING THEIR REGULAR SHIFT TO HU'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY WRITING 3,800 TICKETS ON SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.
SO THAT'S DOWN, THAT'S DOWN TOO.
BUT, UM, SO JUST IN MY, MY TIME HERE, I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN THAT NUMBER AS HIGH AS 15, 16,000 A YEAR EVER SINCE COVID.
AND THEN THE
BUT I CAN TELL YOU GET ON FOUR, SIX IN THE MORNING.
I TRAVEL IT EVERY MORNING AND I DO 60 RELIGIOUSLY SAT BY THERE IN CRUISE CONTROL.
AND I'M THE LAST ONE IN THE LINE.
THEY PASSED ME AS I GO DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I MEAN, WELL, ME, ME AND YOU ARE TOGETHER.
I GOT PASSED BY TYLER SOUTH HALL.
SO YOU
AND HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS GENERATED FOR THE COUNTY? YEAH, SO IT CHANGES.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I REALIZE IT CHANGES.
SO THE YEAR, THE YEAR THAT, IN, IN MY CAREER HERE, WHERE WE WROTE THE MOST, THE, THE COUNTY DEPUTIES WROTE THE MOST TICKETS, LIKE 15, 16,000 TICKETS THAT YEAR.
WE BROUGHT IN ABOUT 1.6 MILLION.
SO THEY WERE DIRECTED TO USE THE COUNTY ORDINANCE FOR THAT.
THEY, THEY DO, THEY DO USE THE COUNTY ORDINANCE FOR THAT.
IS THAT TYPICAL? OR THAT'S TYPICAL, YEAH.
SO IT'S NOT NOW STATE POLICE WRITING A TICKET, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT IN THEIR STATE.
OUR, OUR DEPUTIES ARE GONNA WRITE IT UNDER THE, THE LOCAL STATUTE.
IT'S NOT LIKE, UH, THIS WEEK WE'RE DOING THIS, AND THAT WEEK WE'RE DOING THIS.
IT'S CONSTANTLY, SO THIS YEAR, WE'LL FINISH THE YEAR PROBABLY AROUND 400,000.
NOW, I'M GUESSING SOME OF THE SELECTIVE, UH, UH, GRANTS FORCE YOU TO USE THE LITERARY PART TOO.
YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT USING SELECTIVE GRANTS AS MUCH ANYMORE.
NOW, WHEN WE WERE FIRST GETTING INTO SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT, 'CAUSE THOSE GRANTS ARE SPECIFICALLY TIED TO HIGHWAY SAFETY AREAS.
AND WE WERE, WE, WE WERE DOING THAT.
AND, AND IF, IF THE SHERIFF SEES A SPECIFIC AREA, WE CAN GO AFTER A GRANT AND DO THAT.
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THE COUNTY, WE'LL, WE WILL PAY THE OVERTIME.WE'LL, WE, IT'S OPEN-ENDED FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF OVERTIME BUDGET.
THEY KNOW THAT, UM, YOU MENTIONED USED CARS EARLIER.
I TOOK THAT TO BUYING USED POLICE CARS JURISDICTION.
THEY'RE, NO, THEY WE'RE USING, YOU KNOW, BUYING USED VEHICLES AND TURNING THEM INTO, SO TELL THE SHERIFF TO GO GET PU JOE'S IF YOU WANT ADD
UM, SO YEAH, IF YOU LOOKED AT SHIFT TICKETS AND ELECTIVE TICKETS, YOU'RE GONNA BE FIVE OVER 5, 6 50, 600.
SO TICKETS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE, I DUNNO.
SO A SHIFT TICKET IS JUST YOUR NORMAL SHIFT.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMING IN AND YOU MAY BE WORKING, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN HOURS OF X AND Y AND THAT'S YOUR SHIFT.
THAT'S THE 2100 TICKETS THAT WERE WRITTEN LAST CALENDAR YEAR WAS ON SHIFT.
SO THE COUNTY HAS A PROGRAM THAT SAYS IF YOU WISH TO GO OUT AND WORK OVERTIME, SO MAYBE YOUR SHIFT IS OVER, WE'LL PAY YOU, UM, AN OVERTIME RATE, A SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT RATE TO GO OUT AND DO NOTHING BUT PATROL.
AND SO YOU CAN WORK TWO, THREE HOURS.
NOW WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO REST AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WE HAVE RESTING RULES AND THAT KIND OF, BUT, BUT IF THEY WANNA START A MORNING WITH A COUPLE HOURS OR END AN EVENING WITH A COUPLE HOURS, WE ALLOW THEM TO RUN WHAT'S CONSIDERED SELECTIVE HOURS.
IT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY WHO'S CERTIFIED TO DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
BUT NOT EVERY DEPUTY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, THEY'VE BEEN DOING SELECTIVE IN CARSON.
THEY WOKE THE PEOPLE IN CARSON UP.
BUT THE ELECTIVE IS, IT'S NO, IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S MANDATORY THAT THEY WRITE TWO AN HOUR WHEN TO SELECT IT IN SELECTIVE? I BELIEVE THEY DO DO TWO AN HOUR.
OR IF THEY DON'T DO TWO AN HOUR AND THEY WANNA BE COMPENSATED FOR IT, I THINK THERE'S A CONVERSATION OF WHY DID YOU NOT DO TWO AN HOUR? UM, 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY JUST A TO, TO THE POINT, RIGHT? IF, IF YOU'RE GOING OUT THERE AND DOING IT, THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO WRITE A TICKET, UM, TO DO THAT.
BUT FROM WHAT I'M BEING TOLD, GOING BACK TO, TO HU'S POINT, UM, IF YOU GO TO INTERSTATE 85 NOW, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TICKETS THAT ARE WRITTEN, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE OVER 80 MILES AN HOUR.
A LOT OF THE TICKETS OUT THERE.
SO IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE JUST SELECTED PICKUP TARGET.
WHICH ENVIRONMENT? WELL, MY WIFE CAN TELL YOU THAT THE AVERAGE CALL NOW TO AN AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT IS MUCH MORE SEVERE THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST DUE TO SPEED ISSUES, UH, ON THE INTERSTATE AND THE LOCAL HIGHWAYS THAT THEY'RE SEEING A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN DEATH IN ACCIDENTS NOW.
THAT'S WHY WHEN WE, WE HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION SAFETY AND PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL KILL MORE PEOPLE IN VIRGINIA ON OUR HIGHWAYS THAN WE DO HOMICIDE.
I MEAN AUTOMOBILE ACCENTS AND FATALITIES AND SPEED IS, IS ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE CONTRIBUTORS OF THAT SAY MEAN.
WELL, YEAH, THE BRAKES HAVE BEEN GOING UP STATEWIDE AND UH, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY THROWN AT IT, SO I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THEY'RE NOT.
IT'S A LOT OF MONEY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE.
I INVOLVED WITH, BUT I'M SURPRISED THEY'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE EXTRA MONEY THAT'S COMING, UM, ON THE ENFORCEMENT EDUCATION SIDE.
SOMETHING WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO.
UM, ALRIGHT, LA LAST PROJECT HERE, NUMBER 45 MDT STANDS FOR MOBILE DATA TERMINALS.
SO THAT'S LAPTOPS IN THE POLICE CARS.
SO YEARS AGO WE WERE ABLE TO ACQUIRE, UH, 50 MDTS.
AND SO WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY THIS YEAR.
THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AND THEIR ARPA MONEY PUT FORTH A GRANT THAT WILL REPLACE MDTS THAT, THAT ARE VALUE, UH, WORTHY OF IT.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE TOTAL PROJECT COST HERE BEING $348,000.
I'M, WE'RE SHOWING THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE GRANT, YOU'LL SEE IN THE UPPER GRANT LINE, YOU'LL SEE 218.
SO 218 OF THAT 3 48 COULD BE PAID FOR.
IF WE, WE APPLY FOR THE GRANT,
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WE THINK WE WILL BE VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR JURISDICTION OUR SIZE.SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO REPLACE ALL OF OUR MDTS AND, AND ALL OF OUR, OUR POLICE VEHICLES, UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT GRANT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S GRANT FUNDED.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THAT ONE IS THERE.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT KIND OF CONCLUDES 2024.
WHAT THE EXERCISE NOW WILL BE BEFORE WE COME BACK IN MAY, WILL BE TO TRY TO GET THIS IN A MORE REASONABLE 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT IN THE POSITION TO DO 7 MILLION THIS YEAR, AND WE SURE AS HECK AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO DO 18 MILLION NEXT YEAR.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS BE ABLE TO SPREAD OUT FROM 24 TO ABOUT 27, 8 29 A REALISTIC TWO TO $3 MILLION.
CIP SOME OF THIS WILL HAVE TO CHANGE IN PRIORITY.
UM, AND SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS CAN GET PUSHED.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET PUSHED BACK.
OR IF THEY'RE BIG ENOUGH IN THE, AND WE FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO BE DONE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN WE HAVE DEBT COMING OFF THE BOOKS TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT.
OR IF NOT, THIS IS WHEN, IF, IF IT'S REALLY BELIEVED IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND EITHER, UH, RAISE TAXES TO PAY FOR A CERTAIN THING OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT OPERATIONS AND FIND A WAY TO CUT OPERATIONS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD SOME OF THIS FOR 1 CENT OF REAL ESTATE TO INCREASE 230,000.
NOW, AFTER THE REASSESSMENT, THAT NUMBER WILL GET REEVALUATED, BUT IT'S FOR EVERY PENNY YOU GO UP ON REAL ESTATE, YOU GET 230,000 IN REOCCURRING REVENUE.
SO IT TAKES, IT TAKES A LOT OF REAL ESTATE TO, TO GET THAT NUMBER WHERE YOU NEED IT TO BE.
NOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME JURISDICTIONS THAT WOULD DO REFERENDUM AND SO, SO CHESTERFIELD IS KIND OF ONE OF THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, THEY, HENRICO COUNTY GOOD AT IT TOO.
SO THEY'LL COME IN AND THEY'LL DO A CAFETERIA STYLE REFERENDUM AND THEY PUT IT TO THE PUBLIC.
WESTON AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.
IF, IF THE POPULARITY OF NAVY NATION IS WHERE IT IS, PUT IT ON A REFERENDUM, IT MIGHT BE A 3 CENT TAX INCREASE AND YOU MIGHT GET A NEW SYNTHETIC FIELD.
YOU MAY GET A PARKS AND REC IMPROVEMENT, YOU MAY GET, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU, YOU PUT IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
AND IF THE PUBLIC SAYS, YEAH, I'M WILLING TO PAY TWO OR 3 CENTS MORE A YEAR FOR THAT, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT.
IF THEY VOTE FOR IT, IT'S DONE.
YOU KNOW, AND IT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
WELL, IF, IF THEY DON'T VOTE FOR, DID THEY TAKE IT OUTTA THE HAND? IT DOES.
IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU, IF IT'S VOTED DOWN, THE BOARD CAN'T APPROVE IT FOR THAT'S A PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY IF IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE NEEDED ASSET, IF IT'S A FIREHOUSE OR IF IT WAS A FIRE TRUCK OR SOMETHING, AND WE, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT THAT TOWARDS REFERENDUM.
'CAUSE IF WE HAD TO DO IT, WE, WE DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT POSITION.
BUT SOME OF THESE QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY OF TESTING THE WATERS.
UM, THE ONLY REFERENDUM I KNOW OF THAT WAS DONE IN DI WHEN HE WAS FOR THE MILL TAX AND IT WAS PASSED, AND THAT WAS FOR THE SCHOOL.
SO EVERY, EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT TO EATON, DEWIN COUNTY, THAT MONEY GOES TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND IT PAY FOR SOME OF THEIR SCHOOL DEBT.
I REMEMBER, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN, HOW LONG IT WAS.
I, I, I WAS TOLD IT WAS, I WANNA SAY IT'S LIKE IN THE SEVENTIES, LATE SEVENTIES.
WAS IT A REFERENDUM? I MEAN, FOR, FOR, UH, MEALS TAX? I THOUGHT SO.
I I, I I WAS TOLD IT WAS LIKE IN THE SEVENTIES, EIGHTIES WHEN I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN VOTED IN THE S YEAH.
DO YOU THINK YOU VOTED FOR IT OR YOU VOTED IN THAT? I THOUGHT I REMEMBER ONE.
YOU KNOW, IF WAS IN THE NINETIES OR OH, DID YOU? I CAN'T SWEAR OR VOTED AGAINST IT THAT MAYBE
I WOULDN'T REVEAL THE POSTURE THERE.
UM, SO I DO APOLOGIZE THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT PRIORITIZED YET.
UM, BUT IT IS GONNA BE, WELL BY THE TIME WE COME BACK TO YOU, SO I'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ON MAY 2ND.
I'LL REPORT THE FINAL PLAN TO YOU ON THE 10TH, AND THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL KNOW WHETHER Y'ALL SUPPORT IT OR NOT BEFORE THEY VOTE ON THE 16TH.
UM, SO ON THE, THE BUDGET SIDE, UH,
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THE OPERATING BUDGET SIDE, WE TALKED, I WON'T GO TOO MUCH INTO THIS.I KNOW YOU GOT SOMETHING MARKED TOO TO TALK ABOUT TOO.
UM, BUT ON THE BUDGET, I TOLD YOU IT WAS 1.3 MILLION IN NEW REVENUE, BUT IF WE LOOKED AT ALL THE REQUESTS THIS YEAR FROM EVERYONE, IT WAS SIX AND A HALF MILLION IN NEW REQUEST.
SO SIX AND A HALF MILLION IN REQUESTS AND NOT, I'VE GOT THE BUDGET BALANCED.
UM, OF COURSE NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE HAPPY, BUT AT THE MOMENT IT'S, IT'S BALANCED WITHOUT RAISING TAXES.
UM, WE'VE GOT IT BACK TO, TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT I, I KNOW THESE NUMBERS.
I KNOW IT'S KIND OF DEPRESSING WHEN YOU SEE ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HERE, UM, AS FAR AS THE VALUE AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT'S BEING LOOKED AT HERE.
UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I MEAN OVERALL FINANCIALLY, THE COUNTY'S IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
I DON'T WANNA SEND THAT MESSAGE THAT WE'RE, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE THINGS, IT'S REALLY JUST PRIORITIZATION OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE AND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GOTTA DO AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT COLLECTIVELY WHERE WE, WHERE WE ALL NEED TO BE.
LISTEN, I'LL, I'LL ASK THIS QUESTION AND UM, AND IF AN ANSWER'S NOT APPROPRIATE, THEN THAT'S FINE.
IS BROADBAND NECESSITY OR IS IT, UH, UH, UH, MIKES CAN HAVE AND WHERE ARE WE? AND IF THE ANSWER'S NOT THAT, OH, I CAN I'S NOT RIGHT.
I DON'T MIND, UM, ADDRESSING IT.
SO LAST YEAR, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE, WE CAME TO, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE HAD IN THE CIP WITH THE BROADBAND PROJECT.
SO THE BROADBAND AUTHORITIES THERE.
THE QUESTION OF, I GUESS IT'S REALLY IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, WHETHER IT'S AN ESSENTIAL OR IF IT'S, IF IT'S A WANT OR A HAVE OR A NICE TO HAVE OR, OR A REQUIREMENT.
UM, I THINK FROM THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT THAT IT IS BECOME A NECESSITY TO, TO GET IT TO THEIR HOME.
UM, NOW WE CAN QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S, THAT IS OR ISN'T FROM THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE.
THIS HAS, THIS HAS STILL BEEN ONE OF THEIR, THE TOP PRIORITIES TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT.
SO WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH AND STILL HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH RURAL BAN, THE SUBSIDIARY OF PRINCE GEORGE ELECTRIC RURAL BAN.
UM, FOUND OUT EARLIER IN THIS YEAR THAT SOUTH SIDE ELECTRIC, WHEN THEY WENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, THEY HAD EVALUATED THE POLE STRUCTURE, UM, WITH OKAY.
ANYBODY, UM, UM, THE IDEA WAS TRY, THAT'D BE A, A GREEN LIGHT.
AND MAYBE ME SEE, MAYBE WAGON DOESN'T WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT BROADBAND.
SO WHAT WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS THE, THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC SAFETY CODE IS A CODE THAT IS, IT'S A NATIONAL STANDARD.
RURAL BAND SAYS THEY LOOKED AT THOSE MAPS AND THOSE MAPS FOR DIMITY COUNTY, UH, SHOWED THAT THEY WERE IN A MEDIUM ICE LOAD AREA.
UH, SOUTHSIDE ELECTRIC HAS CONTINUOUSLY FOR 30 PLUS YEARS BUILT ABOVE THE NATIONAL STANDARD.
AND SO THEIR ENTIRE NETWORK, BECAUSE OF THERE ARE 18 LOCALITIES THAT MAKE UP SOUTHSIDE ELECTRIC.
AND SO THE FURTHER WEST GO, THE HIGHER THE ICE.
SO IF THEIR EMPLOYEES WERE GONNA BE WORKING ON THE LINES, THEY DECIDED TO BUILD EVERYTHING FROM HIGH STANDARD.
SO THAT HIGH STANDARD, UM, IS, IS NOT WHAT RIVER, I MEAN, UM, RURAL BAND HAD HAD ASSUMED IN ITS APPLICATION TO GIVE, RECEIVE THE VATI GRANT.
UM, SOUTH ELECTRIC, IT'S, IT'S BEEN THIS WAY FOREVER.
WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU ALL TO WORK WITH YOU, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU TO BUILD TO A LESSER STANDARD.
SO, UM, THAT BEING THE CASE, THE COST OF THE PROJECT THEN BECOMES THE ISSUE.
THE COST IS, IT'S EQUALLY THE SAME COST FOR RULE BAN TO TRENT TRENCH.
UM, ALL THE AREAS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO GET TO AS IT WOULD BE TO GO TO THE NEW HIGHER STANDARD WITH SOUTHSIDE ELECTRIC.
UM, SO THOSE COSTS NOW BEING THE SAME RURAL BAND IS CONSIDERING, AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE ENGINEERED WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GO A TRENCHED PROJECT VERSUS
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AERIAL STAY IN OFF OF SOUTH SIDE ELECTRICS LINES.NOW THERE'S SOME, SOME ISSUES STILL THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT THERE, UM, AS FAR AS JUST LEGALLY AND EASEMENTS AND, AND WHATNOT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE IS NOW THE PROJECT COST IS SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, GREATER THAN, THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ASSUMED.
SO WHAT THE COUNTY NOW HAS DONE IS STARTED TO GO BACK AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH OVERSEES BROADBAND DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE.
ONE OF THE POSITIVE THINGS MAY BE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE BUILD BACK BETTER, UM, INITIATIVE AT THE, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THERE'S $43 BILLION OR THE B $43 BILLION COMING TO THE STATES TO BE SPLIT UP.
THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE FUNDS TO BE SPENT ON, ON THE PROJECT.
SO I THINK WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AS A COUNTY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH RURAL BAN TO LOOK AT THIS POTENTIAL TRENCH PROJECT AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WE'VE GOT $13 MILLION, $10 MILLION, THAT 10 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT, UM, BETWEEN OUR PREVIOUS AWARD AND OTHER FUNDERS AND THE COUNTY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO A PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, WORK ON SOME OF THESE ZONES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, IF WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM AN AERIAL PROJECT TO A TRENCH PROJECT, THE STATE HAS TO GIVE PERMISSION FOR US TO DO THAT.
AND SO, UM, THERE'S SOME ENGINEERING WORK THAT'S BEING DONE AND SOME COLLABORATION BETWEEN SOUTH SIDE AND RURAL BAN WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, SO THE CHALLENGE WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT IS WHAT IS THE TIMELINE ASSOCIATED WITH DOING THAT? AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE RIVER STREET AND RIVER STREET RECEIVED FEDERAL ROFF AWARD BLOCKS.
60% OF THE COUNTY STILL BLOCKS AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN AWARDED DOLLARS, ALREADY BEEN AWARDED TO RIVER STREET AND RIVER STREET'S.
INTENTIONS ARE TO ALSO PUT FIBER IN THE GROUND.
AND THEY'RE PRESENTLY WORKING IN DIMITY NOW ENGINEERING THAT 60% OF DEM WITTY, WHICH IS ABOUT 80% OF OUR POPULATION THAT'S UNSERVED AND UNDERSERVED TO, TO LOOK AT DOING THE EXACT SAME THING.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE COUNTY'S NOT NOT PARTNERED WITH RIVER STREET, WE'RE STILL WITH RURAL BAND, RIVER STREET STILL HAS INTENTIONS TO, TO BUILD OUT THE RDO BLOCKS THAT THEY WERE RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDS FOR.
HAS, HAS ANY CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN TO, UM, UH, ALLOWING THE COMMUNITIES OR THE INDIVIDUALS TO UH, FUND IT IF, YOU KNOW, SO LET'S SAY I WANTED MY UNDERGROUND PROJECT AND I I NEED TO PUT UP A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A CONNECTION FEE, IF YOU WILL.
HAS THERE ANY THOUGHT BEEN GIVEN TO THAT? YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT EVERY OPTION POSSIBLE AND HAVE TO, TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM UM, RURAL BAND'S PERSPECTIVE, THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES EVEN WITH RIVER STREET, THAT IF WE'RE GOING BETWEEN POINTS A AND B, THERE MAY BE A WAY TO COLLABORATE INSTEAD OF THEM BEING IN, IN, IN A DIFFERENT SANDBOX.
THEY COULD BE IN A, IN THE SAME SANDBOX AND COULD WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THAT STUFF DONE.
WELL, DIDN'T WANT TO, DIDN'T WANT TO SABOTAGE THE NEGOTIATION OF DISCUSSION.
WELL, WE, I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW IT'S A DELICATE THING AND IT IT IS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, WE'VE GOT CONTRACTS IN PLACE AND THERE ARE BREACHES OF THOSE CONTRACTS.
AND I WON'T GET INTO TOO MUCH OF ALL THAT, BUT, BUT I, I WAS OUR, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE BOARD TO COUNTY HAS ALWAYS TRIED TO FIND AN INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER THAT COULD GET, GET THE SERVICE PROVIDED AT THE LEAST ASSOCIATED WITH IT FROM THE COUNTY TAXPAYER, UH, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE, UM, IN THIS SITUATION IS JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT THE ASSUMPTION MADE OF, OF RULE IN THEIR DEFENSE.
THEY, THEY'RE THE ONLY, ONE OF THE ONLY, I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER THAT IN THIS AREA AT LEAST, SURY COUNTY IS COMPLETELY UNIVERSALLY COVERED.
AND THEY HAD THE SAME METHODOLOGY THERE AND IS COMPLETE.
THEY'RE PRESENTLY WORKING IN SUSSEX COUNTY AND THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY HAVE A SMALL SOUTH SIDE ELECTRIC FOOTPRINT.
UM, THEY'RE DOING THE SAME DESIGN
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THERE AND WORKING, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEDIUM AND HIGH DOMINION, WHO IS 20% OF OUR PROJECT AND DENWOODY, UM, THEY BUILD TO A MEDIUM STANDARD.THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT IN A HIGH STANDARD AREA.
SO THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN CALL WHAT'S ON FOUR 60 MEDIUM STANDARD OR ANY, ANY OF THE UPGRADES THAT THE MENU JUST MADE IS IN NO WAY, SHAPE POINT, MEDIUM.
IT'S GOTTA BE HEAVY BECAUSE THEY ADDED POLES IN BETWEEN EVERY POLE, PUT BIGGER POLES IN, AND I MEAN, ALL THE WAY INTO OCK THEY DID THAT.
NOW I I I KNOW THEY TELL US THEY BUILT A MEDIUM STANDARD.
WELL, THAT'S THEIR MEDIUM STANDARD.
I, WELL, SO TO DO THE COMPARISON, SOUTH SIDE SAYS, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR LINES, THAT'S HIGH.
I GOT A FOLLOW UP QUESTION YOU ON REAL QUICK.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE THE DUDE CAME FROM.
PRINCE GEORGE ELECTRIC GAVE A PRESENTATION AND I WAS AFRAID FOR HIS SAFETY BECAUSE THE CROWD WAS NOT HAVING WHAT HE HAD TO SAY
BUT YOU, UM, YOU ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO IT'S NOT DOMINION, IT'S SOLELY SIDE ELECTRIC WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.
BUT SO THE SIDE ELECTRIC AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THE STRUCTURE OF THE POLE IS NOT, WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR HAVING AN EXTRA, EXTRA, UM, ATTACHMENTS.
SO WHEN, WHEN, WHEN SOUTH SIDE LOOKS AT IT, UM, SO FOR RULE BAN, THERE'S CLEARANCE FROM WHERE THEIR LINES WOULD BE FROM WHERE THE POWER LINE WOULD BE.
UH, SO THEIR POLE ATTACHMENTS THAT GET INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THE, WHAT IS THE GLAR? YEAH.
THAT, THAT HAPPENS FROM POLE TO POLE.
THE SAG THE SAG THAT TAKES PLACE.
AND SO UNDER A MEDIUM STANDARD, YOU CAN HAVE GREATER SAG UNDER A HIGHER STANDARD.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO PLACE POLES AT CERTAIN POINTS.
OR IF YOUR POLE DOESN'T HAVE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO CARRY THE WEIGHT OF WHAT WOULD BE A THICKER CABLE LINE, THEN YOU WOULD'VE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE POLES.
AND SO IT WAS ESTIMATED, AND I'M I'M SURE THE PRINCE GEORGE REP TOLD YOU THIS, BUT IT ESTIMATED LIKE 9,000 POLES BE REPLACED.
ABOUT 50 50 TO 60% OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REBUILT.
SO TO GO UNDERGROUND ON SIDE SIDE ELECTRIC IS THERE
BECAUSE WE, WE'VE BELIEVE IN THE ENGINEERING OF IT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A HIGHER STANDARD.
SO THE TWO OPTIONS FOR RURAL BAND IS EITHER WE'RE GONNA BUILD ON SOUTH SIDE ELECTRIC, DOING AERIAL FIBER TO A HIGH STANDARD, OR WE'RE GONNA GO UNDERGROUND.
AND THE COST ESTIMATES FOR BOTH ARE ALMOST THE SAME.
LONG TERM, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP OUT THAT WAS, I REMEMBER IN SOME OF THE EARLIER DISCUSSIONS, I, I, I SWEAR I REMEMBER SOMEBODY SAYING THAT INITIALLY THERE WAS GONNA BE A, A MAXIMUM RUN TO PAY FOR UP, UP TO YOUR HOUSE.
AND THEN, THEN LATER IT SAID, NO, IT WAS GONNA BE UNLIMITED.
AND THEN THIS PERSON SAID, IT ROOF ME WAS A THOUSAND FEET.
AND I'M THINKING, OH CRAP, I GOT A LONG WAY TO GO AFTER YOU GET PAST THE THOUSAND FEET.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT.
SO THE, THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH RURAL BAN IS TO GET IT UNLIMITED TO YOUR HOUSE.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT A*****E? OR YOU SAID A THOUSAND FEET THAT TIME? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I PROBABLY DOING THE MATH IN MY HEAD, I'M THINKING IT'S ONLY LIKE 25 CENTS A
NO, THE, SO THE, BUT AGAIN, THE, OUR CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH THEM WAS TO DO THAT.
I DON'T, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM AFTER THAT, UM, WHICH A VERY SIMILAR STATEMENT WAS MADE AND WE REMINDED THEM OF WHAT WAS IN THE CONTRACT.
SO IN GENERAL THEN, RIGHT NOW THE ISSUE IS KEEP GOING ALONG WITH DOMINION, JUST LIKE PLAN, BUT IN AREAS THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY IS.
BUT THE CHALLENGE WITH THE DOMINION AREA IS THE DOMINION AREA IS BROKEN INTO SIX ZONES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE ASKED NOW IS GO BACK AND LOOK AT JUST THE DOMINION AS A PROJECT.
I MEAN, IF YOU WERE JUST TO DO THAT 20% AS A PROJECT.
'CAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T DO IT THAT WAY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT TILL YOU GOT TO EACH ZONE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO ENGINEER THAT ZONE.
IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO UNDERGROUND EVERYWHERE EXCEPT DOMINION, THEN YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT DOMINION AS A SEPARATE PROJECT.
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AND THEN ALL OF THIS, EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SUBJECT TO THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.THAT'S OF THE 10 AND A HALF MILLION, THEY PAID SEVEN AND A HALF, SO THEY WOULD BE PAYING SEVEN AND HALF.
THAT'S QUESTION I NOTICED AREA.
THERE'S BEEN SOME FIBER PUT I TAKE PLACES.
I MEAN, THEY'RE RIGHT OFF THE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANY OF THIS WAS RELATED.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? NO, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
THE, THE ONLY LITTLE GREEN BOXES I'M TALKING ABOUT.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT A, A A UNDERGROUND BOX WITH A COVER.
HALF THE AREA OF THIS TABLE LITERALLY INCHES OFF THE PA WITH WHAT LOOKS LIKE MARKERS WERE, UM, UNDERGROUND PLASTIC, UH, COVERING FOR FIBER TO GO IN.
VERIZON JUST DID ONE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT I THINK THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT TOWER ON SOUTHERN ROAD.
THEY DID NOT YOURS I THINK DOES DID THAT OFF FOUR 60 AND WILSON ROAD, WHEN THEY BUILT THAT NEW TOWER ON WILSON ROAD, THEY RAN FIBER AND IT STARTED WAY UP TOWARDS BLACKSTONE SOMEPLACE CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN, WENT UP UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACK, TOOK THAT TO HAPPEN AND THEN CONNECTED TO THE TOWER.
BUT THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF 5G OR SOMETHING.
NOW I KNOW RURAL BAND HAS PUT SOME FIBER IN, BUT NOT IN THAT, DURING THAT PARTICULAR ZONE ONE, THEY'VE DONE SOME UNDERGROUND FIBER.
THIS IS AN INTERESTING ASIDE, I GUESS I HAVE MY THREE YEAR ANNIVERSARY TO RIVER STREET TODAY BECAUSE THEY SENT ME A CHEESE TRAY, THE MAIL, IT SAYS HAPPY ANNIVERSARY
WELL AGAIN, I MEAN RIVER STREET STILL, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE COMMITTED TO THE STATE.
THEY, THEY WE'RE THE RECIPIENTS OF THE, ONE OF THE LARGEST ADOLF AWARDS IN VIRGINIA, IF NOT THE LARGEST FOR DE WITTY COUNTY.
AND I MEAN, THEY SAY THEY'RE STILL COMMITTED TO, TO GET FIBER.
THEY'VE BEEN GOOD BY ME TO, TO DO IT.
ALL OF IT IS, IS THE COMMITMENT.
WHEN DOES IT HAPPEN? I MEAN, I KNOW RIVER STREET HAD THEIR GUYS OUT DOING THE SURVEY STUFF TO ENGINEER IT, THAT'S DONE OR THEY'RE ENGINEERING IT NOW.
BUT WE YOU CAN DO THAT AND IT CAN BE THREE YEARS BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO DO ANYTHING.
'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT TIMELINES WITH THE ROF AWARD.
I WILL SAY THOUGH, RIVER STREET SIGNED A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE STATE AND THE COUNTY, UM, AND PRINCE GEORGE ELECTRIC FOR THAT FACT THAT, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE IT COMPLETED BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, AND WE WILL SEE, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I'LL RESERVE COMMENT AND YOU KNOW, I, I HOPE FOR OUR CITIZEN'S SAKE THAT THAT IT WORKS AND THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, THEY'VE GOT 13 OTHER LOCALITIES THEY'RE WORKING IN AT THE SAME TIME.
THEY, THEY RECEIVED 130 SOME MILLION, I BELIEVE, OF, OF STATE MONEY ON TOP OF THEIR FEDERAL WAR.
SO THANK YOU, UH, APPRECIATE THAT.
JUST, JUST KEEP IN MIND, UH, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WANTS AND NEEDS, UM, IF THIS WAS PROFITABLE, MARKETS WOULD'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THIS A LONG TIME AGO.
SO LAST MILE, IT'S SO THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT PROFITABLE IS FOR OTHER FUNDS TO BE BROUGHT INTO IT TO OFFSET THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT TOO, IN OUR LIVES.
THERE, THERE ARE NO, IF, IF, IF THEY WERE TO TAKE THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT THEY, THEY THEY KNOW, THEY KNOW THE COST OF IT, DIVIDE THAT BY THE NUMBER OF HOMES, THAT'D GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD OF, OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IF IT WASN'T SUBSIDIZED.
IF IT DIDN'T WANT SOMEBODY ELSE TO PAY FOR IT.
SO EVERYBODY THINKS A GREAT IDEA AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
BUT MAYBE THAT REFERENDUM MIGHT BE A SOLUTION THERE.
UH, WELL I THINK THAT THE BIG QUESTION THERE STILL IS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT'S A REAL ISSUE I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO GET OUR HEADS AROUND IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO LIKE STARLINK AND OTHER THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN COMPLETELY RULE OUT.
SO I MEAN, I'VE GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY LONG TERM.
LIKE YOU ALL, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT WHO, WHO'S TO SAY, I MEAN THE COUNTY COULD GO OUT, BORROW FUNDS, MOVE THIS PROJECT ALONG, THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND THEN TECHNOLOGY CHANGE, THEY FIGURE OUT HOW TO, TO MAKE STARLINK MORE AFFORDABLE, MORE EFFECTIVE.
AND THEN YOU'VE SPENT MONEY IN THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGE.
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AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND, AND WE, WE'VE EXPLAINED THIS TO THE BOARD.UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS NOT WHERE WE WANTED TO GO WHEN RURAL BAN, WHO HAD REALLY PROVEN THEMSELVES THAT THEY COULD DO THIS.
AND I JUST THINK IN ALL THE AREAS THAT THEY HAVE DONE IT AND BEEN EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE AND KIND OF BEEN THE, THE GOLD STANDARD FOR THE STATE.
THEY DID IT IN AREAS THEY'VE NEVER BUILT TO THE HIGH STANDARD.
AND IN, IN SOUTH SIDE ELECTRIC'S TERRITORY, YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD TO THE HIGH STANDARD.
AND THEY INDICATED THAT, UM, COMCAST, THAT'S PRESENTLY ON SOUTH SIDE ELECTRIC'S LINES AND ON DOMINION'S LINES.
UM, NOW DOMINION WILL TELL YOU THEY'RE BUILT INTO A MEDIUM STANDARD.
BUT SOUTH SIDE ELECTRIC WILL SAY, IF YOU SEE COMCAST ON OUR LINES, THEY'RE BUILT TO A HIGH STANDARD.
WE DON'T ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS.
ANY OTHER, I DON'T WANNA RUSH IT ALONG, BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF YEAH, ANY, MR. MASSENGILL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL SEE YOU BACK IN MAY
ALRIGHT, WELL Y'ALL TAKE CARE.
[5. PERSONAL SERVICES/ANIMAL GROOMING ESTABLISHMENT, ZONING ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENT - MARK BASSETT, PLANNING DIRECTOR]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO, UH, NUMBER FIVE.UH, MR. BASSETT, DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF BRING US UP TO DATE ON THIS ANIMAL SERVICES GROOMING THING? YEAH.
UH, BRAD AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, CHES ANIMAL HOSPITAL.
UH, THEY, FOR NOBLE FAMILY, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY IT'S A LEGACY BUSINESS IN DENWOODY NOW.
THE, UM, THEIR SON HAS TAKEN OVER THE OPERATION AND, UM, IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT EXPANDING THE OPERATION.
WE'VE BEEN, UH, WORKING WITH, AS I SAID, THE FAMILY AND THEY'VE, UH, WORKING WITH AN ENGINEERING FIRM ON, UH, BUILDING EXPANSION FOR THEIR CURRENT LOCATION.
UM, OF COURSE YOU ALL KNOW, UH, THE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT, UM, IS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEIR, THEIR CURRENT BUSINESS AND, UM, THEIR CURRENT ENTRANCE INTO THE BUSINESS.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, UH, MS. RENOVO, UH, IS LOOKING AT BUILDING A SECOND BUILDING, UM, JUST, UH, I GUESS YOU'D SAY JUST SOUTHEAST, UH, BETWEEN THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THEIR CURRENT BUILDING ON A, PROBABLY ABOUT A TWO TO FOUR ACRE SITE.
AND SHE'S INTERESTED IN, IN JUST DOING, UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF ANIMAL GROOMING IN THAT BUILDING.
SO, UH, FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, AGAIN, WORKING WITH BRAD AND MYSELF, UM, SHE, UH, SHE IS GOING TO, WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF, UM, WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERED NOW BASICALLY AN ANIMAL HOSPITAL, UM, VETERINARY CLINIC.
UM, IF SHE WAS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE B ONE BASICALLY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, UM, TO MIRROR WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY, WHAT THEIR CURRENT BUSINESS IS ALREADY ZONED, UM, IS ALREADY ZONED B ONE.
SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND B ONE FOR THE ADJOINING PROPERTY WHERE SHE WANTS TO PUT THE NEW BUILDING, UM, WITH THAT SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER STEP OF GETTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A VETERINARY HOSPITAL.
AND, UM, SHE'S EXPRESSED THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THAT SECOND BUILDING BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDERGOING THE EXPANSION NOW FOR THAT CURRENT BUSINESS.
SHE REALLY JUST WANTS TO DO, UM, GROOMING SERVICES.
SO BRAD AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM.
SO RELATED TO THE AMENDMENT THAT WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT, UM, BRAD AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE AND INSTEAD OF JUST INCLUDING, UH, PET GROOMING OR ANIMAL GROOMING ESTABLISHMENT AS A USE IN THE B ONE DISTRICT, WE WANT TO KIND OF, UH, CLEAN UP THE ORDINANCE IN THE B ONE AND B TWO DISTRICTS MAINLY.
AND, UM, ALSO LOOKING AT THE DEFINITIONS, UM, SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCE, UM, OUR B TWO DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR RETAIL USES AND SHOPS.
AND IN THAT, IF YOU GO TO THE DEFINITION SECTION FOR RETAIL USES AND SHOPS, IT INCLUDES, IT INCLUDES PERSONAL SERVICES.
SO BRAD AND I'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, RECOMMENDING TO YOU ALL IS TO, UM, INCLUDE A USE IN THE B ONE DISTRICT.
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UM, THAT WOULD BE PERSONAL SERVICES BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ITEMS LISTED, UM, AS PERSONAL SERVICES SUCH AS PICKUP, LAUNDRY AND DRY CLEANING, COIN OPERATED, LAUNDRIES, BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY SHOPS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.WE ALREADY ALLOW THOSE TYPES OF USES IN THE BB ONE DISTRICT, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
UM, BUT TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE, UM, UH, A NEW USE, INTRODUCING A NEW USE THE, UM, ANIMAL GROOMING SERVICES, UM, NOT JUST FOR THE GR NOBLES.
WE'VE HAD OTHER PEOPLE INQUIRE IN THE PAST ABOUT THAT AND TO KIND OF FACILITATE THAT IN THE V ONE DISTRICT, THE V TWO DISTRICT AS WELL.
UM, IN OTHER DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, WE'D LIKE TO JUST INTRODUCE, UM, A NEW USE PERSONAL SERVICES THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE PET GROOMING AS WELL AS ALL THESE OTHER USES THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE COULD KIND OF CLEAN UP ALL THOSE DISTRICTS CAN CONSOLIDATE A LOT OF THOSE USES, UM, ELIMINATE THOSE AND JUST INCLUDE ALL THOSE UNDER PERSONAL SERVICES.
UM, AND DO THAT UNDER, UNDER ONE ZONING ORDINANCE, AMENDMENT, UM, AND PRESENT THAT TO YOU ALL HOPEFULLY AT YOUR MAY MEETING.
UM, THE GR NOBLES ARE, UM, THEY HAVE KIND OF A PERSONAL TIMELINE AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON IT AND THEY, THEY, OVER TIME THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF STOPPING AND STARTING WITH THEIR EXPANSION AND LOOKING AT BUILDING THAT OTHER BUILDING AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND NOW THEY SEEM LIKE THEY'RE READY TO GO WITH IT.
SO, UM, WE'VE TOLD THEM WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF READY OURSELVES TO, TO DO THIS, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE, TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, AND BRING THAT TO YOU ALL.
SO WE WANTED TO BRING, TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT TONIGHT, JUST MAKE YOU AWARE, UM, THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AND THEN GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UM, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE READY AS WELL TO, UM, FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INTRODUCING THAT ADVERTISING FOR THAT TEXT AMENDMENT.
HOPE HOPEFULLY AT THE MAIN MEETING WITH THIS PERSONAL SERVICE, UM, INCLUDE IN THE GROOMING BUILDING, UH, BUYING AND SELLING OF, OR THE SELLING OF, UM, ITEMS LIKE GROOMING BRUSHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR PARENTS.
SO PEOPLE WANT LIKE PET SUPPLIES? YEAH, PET SUPPLIES.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, WE, WE WOULD THINK SO.
SHE DOESN'T WANT TO BE A FULL BLOWN LIKE PET SUPPLY SHOP, BUT SHE DID SAY SHE WOULD HAVE ITEMS AVAILABLE, LIKE YOU SAID, BRUSHES, THOSE TYPE THAT MAY BE RELATED, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SHE DID INDICATE THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING.
I WAS HOPING THAT, YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.
'CAUSE WE DID TALK TO HER ABOUT THAT AND I DIDN'T HOPING BRING THAT UP.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. BASSETT? YES, I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE STATE ON ROUND ROUNDABOUT, YOU WON'T GIVE A RED LIGHT.
UM, THE PROJECT THEY'VE DONE PRELIMINARY, UM, COST ESTIMATES OR REDONE THOSE FROM THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE.
WE GOT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE WERE, UM, THE 40TH PROJECT OUT OF 40 PROJECTS TO GET THE SMART SCALE FUNDINGS FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT.
AND, UM, RECENT ESTIMATES SHOW, UM, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FUNDING ON THE PROJECT TO COMPLETE IT.
SO WE HAVE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WITH SMART SCALE THAT THE STATE WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD, THE FUNDING WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR THAT PROJECT USING THE SMART SCALE MONIES.
UM, BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
BUT UM, THEY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT STARTING, UH, PURCHASE, UM, ANY RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY NEED FOR THE PROJECT AROUND THAT ROUNDABOUT AREA.
THEY'VE KIND OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S LOOKING LIKE, I'M, I'M GOING FROM MEMORY, I THINK 2025 IS WHAT THEY'RE THINKING FOR PROJECT CONSTRUCTION ON IT.
YOU'RE GOING, I GONNA R RIGHT.
SO THE WAY THE NEW FUNDING WORKS, AND THIS IS CRITICAL WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF, WE HAVE TO THINK IN THE FUTURE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY GOT THE SMART SCALE MONEY, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS ON THE CUSP BEGIN WITH.
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SAY IT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS.WELL, IF THE COST CHANGES OVER TIME AND WHO WOULD'VE EVER GUESSED ABOUT INFLATION, RIGHT? THE COST CHANGES OVER TIME TO A, TO A DEGREE GREATER THAN SOME SMALL PERCENTAGE, THEN THE ONLY WAY THAT PROJECT CAN MOVE FORWARD IS EITHER YOU CUT BACK THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND THEN YOU RUN THE RISK OF IT NOT DOING WHAT YOU WANTED IT TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.
OR YOU GOTTA FIND ANOTHER FUND SOURCE.
AND SO A LOT OF LOCALITIES WILL EITHER JUST CANCEL THE PROJECT OR THEY COME UP THEIR OWN OR IN THIS CASE THAT PART.
THE, SO I SAY THAT BECAUSE LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR, I REALLY HOPE WE CAN DO SOME THINGS ON ONE BETWEEN 85 AND CITY LIMITS TO WIDEN THAT.
AND SO YOU'RE IN THIS, YOU'RE THIS TIGHT ROAD BECAUSE YOU WANT THE COST OF THE PROJECT TO BE SMALL ENOUGH TO COMPETE FOR THE FUNDING, BUT LARGE ENOUGH TO, TO OVERCOME ANY PROBLEMS YOU SEE DOWN THE ROAD WITH AN ESTIMATE.
AND THAT'S A TALL OIL TO COME IN, LOW SCREW, SO DOWN.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT WORKS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOVING TARGETS YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS WHEN WELL, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT WITH THE SELECTIVE COMMENT EARLIER.
I, YOU KIND OF ROLLING THAT INTO THE PHONE, MR. HALLMAN, YOU GOT, WOULD THAT DESIGN AFFECT THE WOUND, THE HOSPITAL? NO, IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T.
IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT BETTER, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMING OUT THERE NOW AT PEAK HOUR AND YOU WANNA MAKE A LEFT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE IT.
SO THIS WAY YOU ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET OUTTA THERE BETTER.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, SOMETHING OUGHT TO BE DONE.
I MEAN, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'VE REQUESTED OR NOT.
IF, IF THE DEFINITIONS ARE DIFFERENT AND IF THERE'S A NUANCE BETWEEN THE B ONE B TWO, UH, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP MORE PEOPLE THAN WILL HURT I WOULD THINK, RIGHT? YES SIR.
THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF WALL.
YOU GONNA PUT IN ANOTHER ROUNDABOUT, PUT IN A MONITOR IN THE PAPER.
YOU GOT IT RIGHT AWAY IN THAT
THERE'S LOT PEOPLE DON'T THAT, AND I'VE SEEN YOU'RE MISS A LOT OF AMBASSADOR ROUNDABOUTS.
IT'S HARD TO IDIOT PROOF ANYTHING.
BUT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW CARWOOD.
YEAH, BUT, AND THEY'RE DRIVING
IS, UH, THE INTERJECTS OR THE, OR THE SOLAR PROJECT, IS THAT ON SCHEDULED TO BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON THE 18TH? UM, NO IT'S NOT.
UM, THEY HAVE TOLD THE BOARD INDICATED TO THE BOARD THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE SUBMITTING A CITING AGREEMENT.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT YET.
SO THAT WON'T BE HEARD UNTIL THEIR MAY MEETING? WELL MAY MEET, YEAH.
THEY THEY MEET TUESDAY, NINTH, 18TH OF APRIL, DON'T THEY? YES.
BUT SO IT WILL NOT BE PRESENTED THERE.
THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THIS MONTH'S REGULAR MEETING FOR THE BOARD.
SO IT'LL BE GOING, SUPPOSEDLY WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING IT.
UH, THE BOARD WILL BE HEARING IT ON MAY 16TH WITH, WITH, LIKE I SAID, A CITING AGREEMENT.
I WOULD SAY THAT WAS, THAT WAS VERY ENTERTAINING.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE BETTER ENERGY.
WHAT'S THAT? I'D HAVE TO HAVE BETTER ENERGY.
I SAY, WELL I'LL LET YOU PUT AN RV ON THE CORNER OF MY PROPERTY CLOSE ENOUGH TO NOT, WAS IT APPROVED? UH, NO, IT WAS NOT APPROVED WAS UNAPPROVED? NO, I KNEW IT WASN'T GONNA BE APPROVED.
WELL, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT IT WAS THE FOLKS THAT MADE, MADE A MADE A CONNECTION TO THE APARTMENT THAT'S
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THE, THE SAME PEOPLE.DID THE MINI STORAGE COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR LOT YET? I THINK THAT WAS APPROVED.
OH YEAH, IT APPROVED IF THEIR LOT CAME IN COMPLIANCE SINCE IT WAS OUT COMPLIANCE.
YEAH, SINCE THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING THROUGH A SITE PLAN AS WE SPEAK.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT.
I THINK THEY'VE GOT HAMPTON GORDON TO HELP HIM OUT WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN HIM OBVIOUSLY TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT YEAH, I WAS, I WAS, I WAS KIND OF INTERESTED TO SEE HIM AT THE MEETING.
HE DIDN'T COME TO OUR MEETING SO WELL HE, HE, HE JUST GOT ASKED THAT DAY, LIKE THAT DAY, RIGHT.
SO I MEAN IT'S, IT THAT'S, THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THE GENTLEMAN WAS FORTHCOMING SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ALL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE AND YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND HE DIDN'T KNOW.
AND IF HE STOPS IT AND YOU KNOW, DOES THE RIGHT THING, I GUESS THAT'S ALL YOU CAN ASK FOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CAUSE? MOTION? DO I SECOND? MOTION MADE AND SECOND.