* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WE [00:00:01] ARE UNMUTED. MR. CHAIR, [1. CALL TO ORDER] IT'S TIME TO CALL THE, UM, JULY 12TH MEETING TO ORDER. WE START OFF BY, UM, PATION TO THE FLAG. IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE, I PLEDGE TO JESUS, TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL. MR. GARLEY. MR. CUNNINGHAM? HERE. MR. TUCKER? HERE. MR. BLE? HERE. MR. TITUS? HERE. MR. HAYES? HERE. AND MR. SIMMONS. OKAY. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT. [3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] APPROVE OF THE AGENDA. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MOTION TO APPROVE. THE AGENDA IS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY. THE MOTION HAVE BEEN THE AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED. AND SECOND, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE? MR. HARVILLE? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. TUSS? AYE. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. HAYES? YES. AND MR. SIMMONS? YES. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ELECTION FOR [5. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN FOR 2023 & 6. ELECTION OF VICE CHAIRMAN FOR 2023] CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN? I THINK IT, I THINK AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIR, YOU TURN IT OVER TO MR. BASSETT. HE DOES THE CHAIR. MR. BASSETT. MR. BASSETT. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU MR. SIMMONS. UM, TONIGHT, I, I TALKED WITH MR. DRURY EARLIER TODAY, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS TONIGHT. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD IT ON THE AGENDA FOR ELECTIONS OF OFFICERS. UM, IF YOU ALL AREN'T PREPARED TO DO THAT THIS EVENING, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THIS EVENING, UM, PER OUR BYLAWS. UM, WHEN THE, UH, CHAIRPERSON IS NOT AVAILABLE, UH, AT THE MEETING, THEN THE VICE CHAIR WOULD TAKE OVER AND RUN THE MEETING. UM, SO, UM, THAT'S, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, WHAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA, UH, WITH, UH, THE, UH, NOMINATION, THEN ELECTION OF CHAIRPERSON FOR THE REMAINDER OF, OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, UM, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. UM, THAT'S, UH, UP, UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, AND YOU MR. SIMMONS, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT, UM, I, I DON'T THINK I'VE BUTCHERED WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TOO MUCH, MIKE, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IF EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. IT'S FINE WITH ME. FINE WITH ME. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. UM, SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UM, AS NORMAL PRACTICE, UH, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISS KIND OF A POLICY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S HAD OVER, UH, NUM QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW. UM, KIND OF GONE WITH CHAIRPERSON AND VICE CHAIRPERSON ON A ROADING, R ROTATING BASIS, UH, . SO, UH, OF COURSE MR. SIMMONS, UH, IT'S HIS TURN TO ACT AS CHAIRPERSON FOR THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION. SO, UM, IF, IF, UH, DO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR MR. CHAIR? YES. CAN I ASK THE ATTORNEY A QUESTION, PLEASE? YES. CAN WE DO IT ALL IN ONE MOTION, MR. DREW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR? YES. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. OKAY. UNLESS, AND AGAIN, SOMEBODY ELSE CAN, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE DISAGREE, UH, UH UH, CANNOT BE APPROVED. BUT THE FIRST MOTION, I'M FINE WITH THAT. WELL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO IT. AND ANYBODY, IF YOU DISAGREE, SEE ME OUTSIDE IN A FEW MINUTES. , MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT MR. SIMMONS CHAIRMAN AND, UH, HUDY. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. BE THE VICE CHAIR. . OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WELL, BUT ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? YEAH, I'M SORRY. ANY DISCUSSION? SOMEBODY SECOND. I MOVE THE NOMINATION BE CLOSED. OKAY. IT WASN'T A NOMINATION, IT WAS A MOTION. WELL, I'M SORRY THEN I JUST YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. NO, NO, NOT YOU. OH, , YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO, SIR. OKAY, COOL. WE CAN RUN IT NOW. ALRIGHT. OKAY. CAN I DO IT? WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE, UH, NOMINATION MR. SIMMONS' CHAIR AND MR. TIPMAN AS VICE CHAIR OBJECT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. I WILL, UH, READ THE MOTION THEN FOR, UH, BE RESOLVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF DI WITTY COUNTY, VIRGINIA, THAT ANTHONY SIMMONS SHALL BE APPOINTED AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING MISSION OF DIMITY COUNTY, VIRGINIA FOR THE YEAR 2023 OR UNTIL HE RESIGNS, IS UNABLE TO HOLD OFFICE OR UNTIL A SUCCESSOR [00:05:01] ASSUMES OFFICE. AND THEN SINCE WE MADE, UH, NOMINATION AS WELL FOR VICE CHAIR, UH, FOR THE VICE CHAIR, THE NON THE RESOLUTION READS AS BE IT RESOLVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF DIMITY COUNTY, VIRGINIA, THAT EDWARD TEUS III SHALL BE APPOINTED AS THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF DIMITY COUNTY, VIRGINIA FOR THE YEAR 2023 OR UNTIL HE RESIGNS IS UNABLE TO HOLD OFFICE OR UNTIL A SUCCESSOR ASSUMED OFFICE. UH, I GUESS, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT RESOLUTION? I'M ASSUMING THE MOTION WAS THAT, I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST READING IT OKAY. INTO THE RECORD, WHICH I'M FINE WITH UNLESS Y'ALL WANT TO FORMALIZE IT, BUT I'M OKAY WITH WELL, THE MOTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AND SECONDS DO WE NEED TO HAVE A VOTE? NOT ON THAT. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, [7. RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION] NUMBER SEVEN, RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION FOR DR. EVERETT PROSITE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YOU'RE WELCOME, SIR. OKAY. UH, THANK MR. CHAIR. UH, TONIGHT, UH, WE'RE, I'D LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD, UH, RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION, UM, FROM PLANNING STAFF AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS OR DR. DR. EVERETT M . AND I WILL, UH, READ THE RESOLUTIONS. UH, WHERE IS DR. EVERETT EMPRO SERVED ON THE DIY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION AS A COMMISSIONER FOR 11 YEARS FROM JANUARY, 2012 TO JULY, 2023, AND AS CHAIRMAN FOR CALENDAR YEARS 2016 AND 2023 IN ALL SUCH SERVICE HANDLING, ZONING AND SUBDIVISION CASES AND LAND USE PLANNING ISSUES WITH DISTINCTION, INTEGRITY AND FORESIGHT. AND WHEREAS DR. EVER GREATLY CONTRIBUTED TO PLANNING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH OF THE COUNTY INVOLVING ALL RELATED LOCAL COMMUNITY AND GOVERNMENT CONCERNS TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS AND THE COUNTY BY PARTICIPATING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN UPDATES AND SERVING ON SEVERAL PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNTY COMMITTEES, ADDRESSING A VARIETY OF PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUES. AND WHEREAS THE DEY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS 12TH DAY OF JULY IS DESIROUS OF ACKNOWLEDGING THESE QUALITIES AND EXPRESSING ITS APPRECIATION FOR THIS WORK ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY . AND NOW THEREFORE BEING RESOLVED THAT THE DIY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION HEREBY COMMENCE DR. EVER BEEN PRECISE FOR HIS CONTRIBUTIONS AND DEVOTED SERVICE TO THE COUNTY OF DENWITTY AND ITS CITIZENS AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THIS RESOLUTION BE PRESENTED TO DR. EVER AND A COPY SPREAD UPON THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING FOR ETERNITY. THANK YOU. SPEECH. OH MY GOODNESS. PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. HE PUT IT IN EVERYTHING THAT I WROTE. SO, UH, ALL JOKING ASIDE, THIS IS THE GREATEST HONOR THAT I'VE EVER HAD. LITERALLY, AND I HAVE BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK A FEW TIMES AND I APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH. UM, I WISH I HAD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW ME EIGHT OR 10 HOURS TO TELL EACH OF YOU . NO, I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT. HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AS INDIVIDUALS, UH, SERVING WITH YOU AND, UH, AND FOR THE COUNTY AS WE ALL DO, HAS BEEN AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE. UM, PURELY, I REMEMBER WHEN THE YOUNG MAN WHO WAS A REPORTER FOR THE THEN DIDN'T REALLY MONETARY ASKED ME, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? AND I SAID, IT IS SIMPLE. IT, IT'S CALLED, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICE. THAT'S OUR JOB. TO THOSE OF US WHO MUCH HAS BEEN GIVEN MUCH AS EXPECTED, AND THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING BUT A HEARTFELT DESIRE FROM EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS FOR ALMOST 12 YEARS, THAT WE WANT TO GIVE BACK TO THE COUNTY THAT'S GIVEN BACK SO MUCH TO US. I HAVE, UH, HAD THE PRIVILEGE ALSO OF SEEING BEHIND THE SCENES WHAT MOST CITIZENS DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE. AND THAT'S HOW COMPETENT AND HOW PROFESSIONAL THE LEADERSHIP IN THIS COUNTY IS. FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THROUGH OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. MASSENGILL [00:10:01] AND ALL OF HIS DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, ESPECIALLY MARK BASSETT AND HIS TEAM, UH, UNBELIEVABLE IN THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND THEIR COMPETENCE IN DOING THEIR JOB. I DON'T KNOW OF A SINGLE COUNTY AROUND HERE THAT HAS THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP THAT WE HAVE. AND I'VE SEEN IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CAMERAS WERE ROLLING. I'VE SEEN IT WHEN EVERYBODY WAS IN THE UPPER ROAR. BUT I'VE SEEN IT EVERY TIME WHEN THEY WERE SPECIAL. AND I WOULD HOPE FOR THE FUTURE THAT WE WOULD HANG ON TO THIS LEADERSHIP AND, AND ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THEN WITH IT. IT'S REALLY A UNIQUE GRIP. WHEN I, IN A FORMAL LIFE, I HAD A CHANCE TO WORK WITH ALL 100 COUNTIES AND THE CHEROKEE INDIAN RESERVATION IN NORTH CAROLINA. AND I DEALT WITH THE PLANNING, THEY CALL 'EM PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, THE, UH, RESIDENT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, DEALING WITH PERSONNEL ISSUES. I WAS, UH, DEALING WITH, UH, HIRING AND FIRING AND PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT OF OUR EXTENSION AGENTS WHO ARE PART OF EVERY COUNTY. I SAW SOME REALLY GOOD ONES. I NEVER SAW ONE AS GOOD AND AS COMPETENT AND AS PROFESSIONAL AS THE ONES THAT WE HAVE IN ITY COUNTY. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE COUNTY FOR RECOGNIZING THEM AND THE STAFF THAT THEY HAD PUT TOGETHER. NOW, I'LL TELL YOU THIS, THIS WAS NOT, I APOLOGIZE UPFRONT, IF, IF RETIRING AT IN MIDTERM JULY ONE RATHER THAN DECEMBER 31 IS A PROBLEM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. IT WAS JUST TIME FOR ME TO GO, I, SO THAT YOU'LL KNOW. I HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS SINCE LAST YEAR AND HAD SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED RETIRING AT THE END OF DECEMBER BEFORE THE, UH, NEW OFFICES WERE INSTALLED. BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL CASES THAT I WANTED TO SEE THE SEE TO CONCLUSION THAT I THOUGHT WERE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTY. NOT THAT I HAD MUCH TO DO WITH THEM EXCEPT ONE VOTE. IT JUST THAT I, I FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD AS WE HAD FOR THE SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE. SO THIS WAS NOT A SUDDEN DECISION. THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN I DECIDED, WELL, I NEED TO GO. WELL, SOMEBODY CAME UP TO ME AND SAID, EVER YOU NEED TO GO? NO. UH, WHEN PEOPLE COME UP TO YOU AND TELL YOU THEY WANT YOU TO STAY RATHER THAN THEY WANT YOU TO LEAVE, THEN IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO GO . UM, AND PEOPLE, AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KIND AND GRACIOUS FROM THE TOP DOWN AND I APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW, MY TELEPHONE NUMBER, YOU KNOW MY ADDRESS, YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE. UM, YOU KNOW THAT ANYTIME YOU NEED ANYTHING WAS A PLACE TO GO FISHING OR A PLACE TO SIT INTO A DEER STAND OR A PLACE TO TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO HAD BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK OR TWO, COME SEE ME. THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING. YOU ARE EXTREMELY SPECIAL. GOD BLESS YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK, YEAH. AMEN. MR. CHANCE, SINCE HE'S GOT THE RESOLUTION, MAYBE, MAYBE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. OKAY. OR MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK. . I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, SO SORRY. YOU CAN'T DO IT. OH, FORGIVE. MR. TUCKER. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION GIVEN TO DR. EVERETT PROCE TONIGHT. I SECOND MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. TITUS AYE. MR. HARVILLE AYE. MR. HAYES? YES. AND MR. SIMMONS? YES. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING AYE. OKAY, NOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE OF [8. MINUTES] THE MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 14TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MINUTES BE APPROVED. I SECONDER. CAN WE HAVE A VOTE? MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. HARVILLE? YES. MR. TITUS ABSTAIN. MR. HAYES ABSTAIN AND MR. SIMMONS? YES. FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING AYE. TWO MEMBERS PRESENT ABSTAINING. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? MR. CHAIR? THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP. SO I'LL OPEN UP THE CITIZEN COMMENT AND I'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN. COMMENT NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING LIKE MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANTED TO, I I HAVE TO LEAVE AT THIS TIME. I WANTED TO BE HERE TONIGHT. I WANTED TO TALK TO DR. PROCE IN PERSON. I WANTED TO BE HERE FOR HIS RESOLUTION. UH, BUT I AM GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE. I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT I NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. [00:15:01] THANK YOU, SIR. THANK Y'ALL. YOU'RE EXCUSED. BRING US A SANDWICH BACK. YEAH, BRING US . OKAY. CASE [10. PUBLIC HEARING CASE P-23-4] P DASH 23 DASH FOUR. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. UM, FOR THE RECORD, I AM BRAD ROBINSON WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND YOU SHOULD RECALL THAT, UM, THIS CASE, WHICH IS P DASH 23 DASH FOUR, UM, WAS ON YOUR AGENDA LAST MONTH AT THE JUNE MEETING, UH, JUNE THE 14TH. THE APPLICANT FOR THE CASE IS ROCK RIVER INCORPORATED, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING A REZONING OF TAX PARCEL 44 DASH 26 A. UH, THAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON NASH ROAD AND THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM THE CURRENT AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, A TWO TO RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE WITH PROFFERS. SO AT THE JUNE 14TH MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ELECTED TO TABLE THIS APPLICATION, UH, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND EVALUATION OF THE PROFFERS. SINCE LAST MEETING, STAFF HAS RECEIVED A REVISED PROFFER STATEMENT FROM THE APPLICANT, WHICH YOU HAVE, UH, IN YOUR PACKET. IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 17 PROFFERS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WITH THE PREVIOUS PROFFER STATEMENT. UM, THE REVISED PROFFER STATEMENT NOW HAS A TOTAL OF 18 PROFFERS. SO THERE'S BEEN, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PROFFER THAT'S BEEN ADDED. PROFFER NUMBER 18. SO JUST TO BRIEFLY MENTION, UM, THE REVISIONS TO THE PROFFER STATEMENT, UM, PROFFER NUMBER 11 ABOUT FENCES, UM, WAS REVISED TO STATE THAT ALL FENCES SHALL INCLUDE ONLY THE REAR YARD INSTEAD OF ENCLOSED IN THE PREVIOUS PROFFER STATEMENT THAT READ AS ENCLOSING ONLY THE REAR YARD. AND THE NEXT PROFFER THAT WAS REVISED WAS PROFFER NUMBER 14. THIS PROFFER, UH, TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE AREAS OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE CLEAR CUT FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, AREAS THAT WOULD INCLUDE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PUBLIC ROAD, UM, PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS, HOME SITE, THE WELL DRAIN FIELD, AND AREAS DESIGNATED AS COMMON OR RECREATIONAL AREAS. THE APPLICANT IN THE REVISED PROFFER STATEMENT HAS ADDED A STATEMENT THAT THE APPOINTED HOA WILL DEVELOP ANY COMMON AREA. UH, BUT OTHERWISE, UH, ALL OF THE, OF THE, ALL OF THE OTHER LANGUAGE IN THAT PROFFER IS THE SAME. SO THAT STATEMENT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THAT PROFFER. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, AS I MENTIONED, PROFFER 18 IS NEW THAT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE PROFFER STATEMENT THAT PROFFER READS. THE OWNERS SHALL EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A LEFT TURN LANE IN TAPER BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF A VDOT STUDY. THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE LEFT TURN LANE IN TAPER SHALL BE SUBJECT TO VDO T'S APPROVAL. THE OWNERS SHALL PROMPTLY INITIATE DISCUSSIONS AND COMPLY WITH THE NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS AS DETERMINED BY VDOT, ENSURING THAT THE LEFT TURN LANE IN TAPER ARE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR CO FOR THEIR FINAL HOME. SO THAT SUMMARIZES THE, UM, CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE PROFFER STATEMENT SINCE YOU HEARD THIS CASE ON JUNE THE 14TH. AGAIN, TO RECAP, UM, REVISIONS, SLIGHT REVISIONS TO NUMBER 11 AND 14, AND THEN IN ADDITION IN PROFFER NUMBER 18. SO THAT CONCLUDES, UH, STAFF'S PRESENTATION. AT THIS TIME, I CAN ATTEMPT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, AND ROCK RIVER IS PRESENT AS WELL. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. [00:20:02] GRAB COME UP. YES, THIS SPOKESPERSON IS HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK, COME UP TO THE MIC? UH, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS, I, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SPEAK, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. DISCUSSIONS AMONG THE YOU QUESTION. OH, YES, I DO. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF EXPLORER. I KNOW WHAT MINE IS, BUT WHAT'S THAT EXACTLY IN YOUR DEFINITION? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED? WHETHER IT CAN HAPPEN ONCE WE GET INTO THE SUBDIVISION MM-HMM . UM, LAYOUT, ALL OF THE OTHER ENGINEERING, UM, WHAT THE NECESSITIES ARE. UM, WHETHER WE HAVE THE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM, AND I'M CAUTIOUS IN HOW I WORD MYSELF. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN FRONT OF THE SUBDIVISION TO WIDE THE ROAD. MY CONCERNS WOULD BE THAT DO WE HAVE ENOUGH DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BRIDGE AND THE OTHER EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY TO GET BOAT TAPERS IN MM-HMM . SO I THINK WE WILL END UP HAVING TO DEFER BACK TO V DIVE AND WILL THAT WORK OR NOT? MR. CHAIR, MAY I, IF YOU DON'T MIND? SURE. UM, WE CAN HEAR YOU VERY WELL IN HERE, BUT WHEN THIS IS BEING WATCHED ON SWAG, IT, SO IF YOU WOULD COME TO THE MIC. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE. SURE. IF YOU'LL GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. JEFF SMORE, ROCK RIVER HOMES INCORPORATED 2 2 0 2 0 VILLE ROAD, VILLE, VIRGINIA. MM-HMM . UM, WHEN YOU ASKED A QUESTION OF THE DEFINITION OF EXPLORER, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THE ROAD FRONTAGE IF THE ROAD NEEDED TO BE WIDENED, BUT AS FAR AS THE TAPERS ON THE LEFT TURN LANE OR ANY OTHER TURN LANE THAT MAY BE REQUIRED ONCE WE PUT IN THE DUAL ENTRANCE INTO THE SUBDIVISION MM-HMM . WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE, THE TURN LANE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY EXPLORE. AND I THINK IT'LL COME BACK TO PART OF VDOT. WE'LL HAVE SOME OF THE FINAL SAY IN THE DISTANCE, IN THE STORAGE CAPACITY OF THE TURN LANE. SO IF VDOT REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE ONE, YOU WILL PUT IT IN. IF VDOT REQUIRES US TO PUT ONE IN, WE WILL PUT ONE IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . I, I HAVE A QUESTION. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I, YEP, I HAVE SOME TOO. OKAY, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, MR. HARVEY. UH, SIR, I, I WAS JUST NOTICING THE, UM, NUMBER SIX WHERE IT SAYS THE MINIMUM SIZE OF A DWELLING IS 1500 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. IS THAT NORMALLY IN YOUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS? UM, THE REQUIREMENT GOES AS LOW AS 1500 SQUARE FEET, OR MOST ALL OF OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS GO AS LOW AS 1200 SQUARE FEET. OKAY. TURKEY RUN, WHICH IS IN DENWITTY, HAD A MINIMUM OF 1,750 SQUARE FEET. MM-HMM . THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, AND TO TODAY'S ECONOMY, TODAY'S MARKET, WE FEEL LIKE BUILDING A QUALITY PRODUCT, THAT THE COMMUNITY, IT WORKS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET INTO A NICE HOME. AND PRICE POINT 1500 IS PROBABLY THE MAGIC NUMBER OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM, THERE'S OTHER LOCALITIES WHERE 1500 IS THE, THE GOOD POINT. HOPE THAT MADE SENSE. OKAY. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CONCERNED WITH PUTTING A 1750 MINIMUM ON IT. AND THEN WE END UP WITH HOMES THAT YOU CAN'T SELL BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY CAN'T AFFORD 'EM. SO, UH, 15, CAN YOU GET A THREE BED A A COMFORTABLE THREE BEDROOM HOUSE OUT OF 1500 SQUARE FEET? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. YEAH. QUESTION? YES SIR. THANK YOU. UM, SO I APOLOGIZE. I WASN'T HERE LAST MONTH. I HAD A BUSINESS ENGAGEMENT AND COULDN'T BE HERE. UM, I DO THINK, UH, MR. PRO, ACTUALLY, I DIDN'T HEAR THIS UNTIL THIS WEEK, BUT I THINK YOU READ SOME OF MY COMMENTS LAST MONTH. SO I HOPE THEY WERE, HOPE THEY WERE TALKED ABOUT. UM, I, I, UH, FIRST OFF, I'LL START WITH I GUESS KIND OF BIG PICTURE AND ZERO IN, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA FOR THIS AREA. IT KIND OF FITS THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF SEVERAL TIMES NOW OVER THE LAST COUPLE DECADES. THIS IS, I BELIEVE, A GOOD PLACE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. LIKE YOU HAVE, UM, THE, UM, I THINK THE ONLY ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS IS, UH, IT'S CONNECTIVITY WITH THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT THROUGH THE WOODS FROM SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT YOU GOTTA GO ALL THE WAY AROUND AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. UM, I, I HEARD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON TURKEY EGG ROAD, AND UM, I JUST GOT BY THERE LAST FRIDAY AND I LOOKED AT IT AND I LIKED THAT. I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE AFTER SEEING [00:25:01] THAT, AND ALSO LOOKING AT YOUR, UM, YOUR SCHEMATIC HERE IS AT LEAST ALONG THE MAIN ROADS, YOU KNOW, WHY ISN'T THERE LIKE A SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO WALK, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT NECESSARILY ON THE DEAD END STREETS, BUT THE, THE MAIN DRAG, IF YOU WILL. UM, ANOTHER COMMENT I HAD IS, I'M FAMILIAR WITH STONY CREEK AND IT'S FLOODING. 'CAUSE I'M, I'M RETIRED FROM VITA, IT'LL COME UP HERE TO GET IN A MINUTE. I'M, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT VITA AND I'M RETIRED FROM VDOT. AND SO I LOOKED UP THE FLOOD PLAIN MAP, THE FEMA FLOOD PLANE MAP, AND IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, ALL OF YOUR LOTS ALONG THE STREAM OR IMPACTED BY THE FLOODPLAIN. AND TO ME THAT'S WOULD BE IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO SHOW ON HERE BECAUSE HONESTLY, DO YOU HAVE A TWO? WELL, DO YOU, I MEAN, HOW MUCH LOT REALLY DO YOU HAVE LEFT, I GUESS IS MY POINT? AND THEN THAT KIND OF LEADS TO ANOTHER CONCERN I HAD IS WHAT DO THESE FOLKS DO THAT LIVE HERE? UM, IF YOU HAVE UP TO 77 LOTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? I MEAN, ARE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DRIVE SOMEWHERE TO DEPEND ON COUNTY, UH, PAID FOR RECREATION, FOR INSTANCE, AS OPPOSED TO IS THERE A PLAN TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF ON ONSITE RECREATION? I DON'T MEAN SOMETHING EXPENSIVE LIKE A POOL AND A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I JUST MEANT JUST WALKING OR, OR WHATEVER. JUST SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE THAT WOULDN'T FORCE DEPENDENCE ON, YOU KNOW, A COUNTY, UM, UH, PAID FOR, UH, FACILITY. UM, THE BUSINESS ABOUT THE ROAD THING. UM, I APPRECIATE YOU ADDING IN, UH, NUMBER 18, BUT I WOULD LIKE, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO SEE THAT TURNED AROUND, UM, THAT YOU WOULD COMMIT TO A LEFT AND A RIGHT TURN LANE AND TAPERS ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF YOUR PROPERTY THAT BORDERS NASH ROAD. UNLESS VDOT SAYS IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. AND THE REASON, THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE I KNOW VDOT WORKS ON MINIMUM STANDARDS. AND ONE THING I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS IS THAT THE COUNTY HAS SOME, SOME, UM, ORDINANCES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, RE I WILL SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN SAY THAT, THAT THE STATE'S VERY LOOSE MAINTAINED, UM, UH, OR, UH, RULES. AND IT'S NOT A CRITICISM OF VDOT. I, I WORKED THERE FOR 30 YEARS, BUT VDOT HAS A KIND OF A ONE SIZE FITS ALL THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HELP WITH A INDIVIDUAL LOCALITY. AND I'LL GIVE YOU A CASE IN POINT. I WASN'T ON THE COMMISSION BACK IN THE NINETIES, BUT THE ONE I USE THAT'S KIND OF MY, KIND OF MY SHOW AND TELL IS THE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE JORDAN, THE LAKE ACROSS FROM S SHEHA MM-HMM . THERE'S A TEENY TINY, UM, STORAGE AND TAPER THERE AND GOING SOUTHBOUND IN A RIGHT TURN LANE. AND IF YOU'RE GOING THE SPEED LIMIT 55, AND ARGUABLY THE OPERATING SPEED IS PROBABLY MORE LIKE 62. IF YOU'RE GOING 55 TO 60 MILES AN HOUR, THERE'S REALLY NO ROOM FOR SOMEBODY TO GET OFF THERE. AND JUST TO BE CONSISTENT ABOUT IT, I, IF I HAD BEEN ON A COMMISSION, THEN I WOULD'VE ASKED THEM THE SAME THING TO PROVIDE A RIGHT TURN LANE AND TAPER TO BE ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF THEIR PROPERTY. BUT THEY DID WHAT VDOT MINIMUM WAS, AND I, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE A VDOT MINIMUM. UM, AND THEN ANOTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, I MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS WITH THE APARTMENT CASE OFF OF 2 26, AND I WANNA BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I SAID TO THAT APPLICANT. AND I, I SAID THE SAME THING TO THAT APPLICANT THAT I ASKED HIM TO RIDE ON A RIGHT TURN LANE IN THE LEFT TURN LANE. UM, THAT'S OUR MOST RECENT CASE THAT'S SIMILAR TO THIS IN MY MIND THAT I ASKED, UM, THAT HE CONSIDER A PROFFER OF A RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANE FOR HIS FULL LENGTH OF HIS, OF HIS DEVELOPMENT TOO. UM, I, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT ONE ENTRANCE INTO SO MANY HOUSES TOO. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, I, I NEED TO GET EDUCATED NOT HAVING BEEN HERE LAST MONTH AND OH, AND I RESPECT THE FACT THAT A MONTH IS ALREADY TICKED BY I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID ABOUT THAT. UM, I JUST NEED TO GET EDUCATED ON THAT. BUT IT, IT, I I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PERSONAL CONCERN AND I HAVE HEARD ANECDOTALLY THAT THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE'S INSURANCE PRICES TOO. I REMEMBER WE HAD A CASE OFF OF BLUE TARTAN ROAD SOME YEARS AGO WHERE THAT CAME UP. SO, UM, I DO LIKE THE FACT YOU HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO FROM ONE OF MARK BASSETT'S PREDECESSORS THAT, UM, THAT'S A GOOD THING. I USED TO THINK THEY WERE NOT, BUT SO MANY COMPLAINTS COME TO THE COUNTY AND I, I LIKE, I LIKE TO HAVE THE, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. UM, I GUESS THAT'S A LOT, BUT THAT'S MY COMMENT. IT IS. I WASN'T TAKING NOTES TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO EACH ONE OF THEM, BUT AS FAR AS THE ENTRANCE GOES, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN WE HAD THE OTHER MEETING WAS A BOULEVARD ENTRANCE BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE, THE POSSIBILITIES OF GETTING TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCE. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONNECT TO THE OTHER [00:30:02] COMMUNITIES AROUND IT. SO WHAT IS A BOULEVARD ENTRANCE? I WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF THAT? IT'S GONNA BE A BOULEVARD ENTRANCE THAT, WELL, THERE WOULD BE RADIUS IN AND IT HAS A MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE. SO THEY'RE COMING OFF OF NASH ROAD. YOU HAVE A IN AND AN OUT. SO IS THAT TWO LANES IN, TWO LANES OUT, ONE LANE IN AND ONE LANE OUT? I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DESIGN ON IT, BUT I'M GONNA SAY IT'S GONNA BE ONE LANE IN AND ONE LANE OUT. BUT AT THE ROAD THERE'LL BE FLARE. YEAH. AGAIN, I GUESS, I GUESS ME PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THAT. AND IT, IT'S, IT'S A LOT LIKE THE FLOOD PLAIN LACKING AND, YOU KNOW, JUST I, SO THE FLOW PLANE LACKING AND, AND PART OF WHAT I THINK YOU MISSED IS THE SCHEMATIC DOES SHOW 77 LIGHTS. OKAY. WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET 77 LIGHTS IN THERE OR NOT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE ENGINEERING. OKAY. WE DIDN'T WANT TO START THE ENGINEERING AND SPEND A HUNDRED TO $200,000 ON THE ENGINEER OR I KNOWING IF WE COULD GET REZONED. I DID THE LAYOUT INTENTIONALLY LIKE THAT TO SAY, HEY, IF THIS HERE, THIS LOT SIZE, THIS IS THE MOST LOTS WE CAN GET IN HERE. SO WE PACKED IT FULL. OKAY. WE MAY ONLY END UP WITH 60, 65 LOTS BY THE TIME WE GET THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FEMA, THE FLOOD PLAIN, ALL OF THAT CONSIDERED, I EXPECT THAT LOT COUNT'S GONNA COME DOWN, BUT IT'S EASIER. AND I FELT LIKE IT WAS MORE FORTHCOMING TO SAY, HEY, IF I CAN PUT 77 IN, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN INSTEAD OF PROPOSING 60 AND COMING BACK AND WANTING TO GO 77. AS FAR AS THE COMMON AREA OR THE RECREATIONAL AREA, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING IN A, IN A REC AREA. IT, IT, IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW, HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA HAVE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE SWING SETS WITH ADULTS AND PARENTS THERE WATCHING IT, OR IS IT GONNA BE A PICNIC AREA THAT'S GONNA END UP WITH TEENAGERS THAT'S GONNA HANG OUT THERE UNSUPERVISED WHERE BAD THINGS CAN HAPPEN? SO IT IS TRYING TO PUT THE CONTROL OF THAT AREA BACK INTO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. WE, WE INTEND, AND WE KNOW THAT AS WE GO INTO THE DESIGN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE BETWEEN OUR RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AREAS, OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, THERE'S GONNA BE AREA IN THERE FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS WE CALL OPEN SPACE. WE WOULD DEDICATE THAT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH RECREATION AREA. I FELT LIKE THAT THAT WAS BETTER SERVED TO DO IT THAT WAY THAN FOR US TO INSTALL SOMETHING. SO WHAT, WHICH LOT WOULD BE, UH, UH, DEDICATED TO A OR LOTS BE DEDICATED TO A COMMON AREA? IT WOULD BE ONE, ONE. I'M EXPECTING IT TO BE TWO ACRES. OKAY. AND I WOULD EXPECT IT'S GONNA BE ON THE LOWER SIDE TOWARDS THE SONY CREEK. THAT MAKES SENSE. I DID YOU, I I'M JUST, AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE A, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PROPER IF I MISSED IT, IF THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PROPER TO SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT AT THIS POINT HERE, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, I'M UNDER A CONTRACT TO WHERE IF I DON'T GO TO THE BOARD TOMORROW, THEN I'M PROBABLY GONNA GET KNOCKED OUT OF MY CONTRACT. SO THESE COMMENTS AND THESE, THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE NOW UNDERSTAND YOU WEREN'T HERE, WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE KNOWN THEN. YEAH. SO THAT WE COULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT BECAUSE WE'RE HERE AND I, I TRIED TO ADDRESS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST TIME IN AN EFFORT FOR US TO GET A VOTE TONIGHT. WELL, I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I DIDN'T NO, IT'S OKAY. EXPECT THAT. IT'S OKAY. I, AND I WILL SAY THIS TOO, I, I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK I'M ASKING YOU TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ENGINEERING. UM, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, I WOULD SAY THIS, AS I SAID, I I, THE EXPERIENCE I HAVE IS I'M IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR NOW. I HAVE BEEN FOR A WHILE, AND I HAVE TO COMPETE FOR PROJECTS MUCH LIKE YOU'RE COMPETING HERE. YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES I SPEND 10 TENS OF THOUSANDS OR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND I GET LUCKY AND I GET TENS OF MILLIONS BACK. AND OTHER TIMES I JUST HAVE TO WRITE IT OFF, YOU KNOW? SO IT IS A BALANCE, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IS JUST TO FIND THAT RIGHT BALANCE OF WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO COMMIT TO. SO THAT WAS, I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I WAS COMING FROM. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. I THINK IT'S ALSO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS IF WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY WANT? WHAT IS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY? WHO ELSE IS GONNA COME IN HERE AND SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY TO PROVIDE THE SUBDIVISION THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS? OH, AND ONE, ONE THING TOO, I THINK THIS CAME UP IN OUR PREVIOUS CASE WITH THE SAME PROPERTY, BUT I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER, ISN'T THERE, IS, ISN'T THERE A PURPOSE FOR THE STRIP ALONG THE, ALONG THE, UH, THAT'S FOR ACCESS TO THE OTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY IN IT? THAT'S WHAT THAT STRIP IS ON THE EAST SIDE. THAT'S CORRECT. IT HAD A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT OR THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CUT OFF SURVEYED AND THAT BELONGS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. NOW THAT'S THEIR ACCESS. OKAY. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. NO, THANK YOU. I THINK THANK YOU, SIR. [00:35:01] I THINK I'VE KIND OF MADE, MADE MY POINTS QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. TUCKER? ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, MR. HARVEY. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. BUTCH. BUTCH. YEAH. I'M JUST, I'M I, YOU GONNA HAVE CURB AND GUTTER? NO, SIR. UH, WHAT KIND OF, UH, ROADS? GRAVEL ROADS? NO SIR. IT'LL BE PAVED ROADS WITH OPEN DITCHES. OPEN DITCHES. BE JUST LIKE THE TURKEY RUN SUBDIVISION. OKAY. WELL, SO I'D LIKE TO ADD A COMMENT TO THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION THAT, THAT BUTCH ASKS. AND I MEAN, THAT DIDN'T COST A WHOLE LOT TO SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT. LIKE, LIKE A BOULEVARD. WHAT IS THAT? WHEN YOU SAID BOULEVARD, I TELL YOU THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MIND TO ME WAS FOUR LANES. THAT'S AND A MEDIAN THAT'S LIKE 60 FEET. AND I KNEW YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT A 60 FOOT ROAD. IT WILL HAVE A MEDIAN, IT'LL HAVE A LANDSCAPE MEDIAN, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE FOUR LANES. RIGHT. BE A LANE IN AND A LANE OUT AND BACK TO THE PART OF THE CURB AND GUTTER THAT AREA. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE CARBON GUTTER. BUT ONCE WE GET PAST THAT, THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION, WHEN YOU START DOING CURB AND GUTTER, YOU KNOW WHAT IT DOES. AND YOU GOTTA DO THE CURB AND GUTTER IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE SIDEWALKS. AND IT'S JUST, IT, IT TAKES IT ANOTHER LEVEL. IT'S LIKE THE 1500 SQUARE FOOT TO A 1,750 SQUARE FOOT. WHAT CAN THE COUNTY ABSORB? WHAT MAKES IT FEASIBLE TO, TO DO, I I, MY WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS IS WE HAD THE LAKE JORDAN COMPLEX UP THERE THAT IS AWAY FROM THIS, THE CENTER OF THE COUNTY. I, I, IF I, I CAN CALL IT THAT. 'CAUSE THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS. YOU'RE RIGHT HERE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING AND ALL THAT. AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ASKED YOU ABOUT, INCLUDING A COMMON AREA WITH A SWIMMING POOL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND TO ME, MY THOUGHT, MY MIND SAYS TO ME THAT IF WE ARE RIGHT HERE IN THIS AREA, WHICH THERE'S OTHER LAND AROUND HERE, AND, AND Y'ALL CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY COULD BE UTILIZED WALKING TRAILS AND THINGS AS SUCH. WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO DEVELOP THIS LAND AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN WHAT'S AT LAKE JORDAN BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S AT? AND THAT'S, AND MAYBE I'M, I'M SHOOTING FOR THE STARS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IN MY OPINION, THIS IS BETTER THAN LAKE JORDAN BECAUSE THOSE ARE WHAT, HALF ACRE LOTS? YEAH, THE LOTS ARE, BUT THEY'RE 1700 SQUARE FEET AS OPPOSED TO 1500 SQUARE, UH, SQUARE FEET WITH INCLUSIVE OF DECKS, PORCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S, THERE IS INCLUSIVE OR EXCLUSIVE, UH, I, I THINK I GOT THE PROFFERS RIGHT HERE FOR THEM. I'LL BE WITH YOU IN A MINUTE, MAN. I APOLOGIZE. NO, THAT'S FINE. UM, THEIRS IS MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, FINISHED FLOOR SPACE EXCLUSIVE OF SUCH THINGS AS ATTACHED GARAGE, ENCLOSED GREEN PORCHES, ET CETERA. FOR A SINGLE STORY, FAMILY DWELLING SHALL BE 1500 SQUARE FEET AND FOR ALL OTHER DWELLINGS, 1750. I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE 1500 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM. AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE OF A RURAL SETTING IS WHAT WE'RE DEVELOPING AND DESIGNING INSTEAD OF SOMETHING ON HALF ACRE LOTS. I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE COMMON AREA, YOU KNOW, THE CHILDREN PLAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT. THEY HAVE ROOM IN THEIR OWN YARD TO PLAY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING AND WE'RE GOING TO DO COMMON AREA, BUT THE HOA NEEDS TO DETERMINE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEM. MM-HMM . MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND THE TIME CONSTRAINT. UH, WE PUT THIS DEVELOPER UNDER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I ALSO FEEL LIKE IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS BEST FOR THE COUNTY. THAT'S WHY WE VOLUNTEER TO DO THIS. AND SOMETIME THOSE THINGS GET INTO CONFLICT. [00:40:02] UM, I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH THIS LAST PROFFER NUMBER 18. UM, I UNDERSTAND HIS, I NOW FULLY UNDERSTAND HIS BUILDER'S DEFINITION OF EXPLORE, UM, THE EXPLORING THE FEASIBILITY AND REQUIREMENTS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE DONE IN THE COUNTY. AND WE SPEND HOURS UPON HOURS, UPON HOURS DEVELOPING A COMP PLAN, COMING UP WITH DESIGN LAYOUTS AND EVERYTHING, HOW WE WANNA SEE THE COUNTY AND HOW WE WANNA SEE IT DEVELOPED. AND I'M JUST NOT, I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH THIS EIGHT PROFFER, NUMBER 18 AT, AT, I'M NOT, BECAUSE AT THE END, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, ENSURING THAT THE LEFT TURN LANE AND TAPER ARE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE FINAL HOME. WHETHER THAT'S THE HOME BEING AS AFTER THE HOME IS BUILT OR AFTER ITS CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR AFTER IT IS OCCUPIED. I, I DON'T KNOW. NOW IN MY LIMITED THINKING THAT ONCE THE FINAL HOME IS BUILT, THE REALTOR WILL HAVE THE PROBLEM OF FINDING SOMEONE FOR THE HOME, BUT THE DEVELOPER WILL BE GONE WITH THE PROJECT. THAT PROJECT WILL BE OLD AND HE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ANOTHER PROJECT. SO EVEN IF VDOT SAYS, DO THE MINIMUM STANDARD, THAT'S NOT MINIMUM IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR US. FOR ME, IT'S NOT, HAS NOT BEEN, UH, I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION NOW, THIS IS I THINK MY THIRD OR FOURTH TERM ON THIS COMMISSION. AND WE'VE GONE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER THESE ISSUES OF STANDARDS. AND, UH, I THOUGHT WE HAD COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WHAT VO PROPOSES WAS JUST NOT SUFFICIENT. AND WE'VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE OF THAT WITH THE, THE PROPERTY ACROSS FROM WHAT USED TO BE RAGSDALE. THAT IS NOW LAKE JORDAN. MM-HMM . WE SEE, WE SEE THE EVIDENCE OF THAT THERE. UM, SOMEONE COMING UP, COMING NORTH ON ROUTE ONE GOING INTO LAKE JORDAN, GONNA HAVE TO COME TO A FULL STOP IF TRAFFIC WAS THERE. AND GOD FORBID SOMEBODY COMING BEHIND THEM SIX, TWO MILES AN HOUR, TWO CARS BACK AND DON'T SEE THE GUY STOPPED, DON'T SEE A TAIL LIGHT UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE. AND YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE, EXCUSE ME FOR SAYING THIS TO YOU GUYS. I'M NOT FROM VIRGINIA ORIGINALLY, BUT I DO KNOW HOW Y'ALL DRIVE AND Y'ALL CAN'T DRIVE IN VIRGINIA. I'M SORRY, YOU JUST CAN'T DRIVE HERE IN THE RAIN, CAN'T DRIVE IN SUNSHINE DEFINITELY CAN'T DRIVE IN SNOW. BUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF AN ACCIDENT, WE ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THAT. AND THIS PROFIT DOES NOT DO THAT FOR ME. I'M SORRY. IT DOESN'T DO IT, IT DOES NOT DO IT. SIR, I'M SORRY. THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, IF I COULD CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE BUILDER AND THE DEVELOPER. IT'S NOT UP TO THE REALTOR TO OBTAIN THAT. NO, NO, NO, NO. I UNDERSTAND THIS. OKAY. I I UNDERSTAND THAT. I KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT. OKAY. BUT I'M SAYING ONCE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCUS OCCUPANCY IS GRANTED, THEN THE REALTOR WILL TRY TO PUT SOMEBODY IN THE HOUSE. AM I RIGHT? YOU CAN'T PUT NOBODY, WE NOBODY CAN GO IN UNTIL YOU GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. NOW, ARE YOU THE ONE WHO'S GOING TO BE GOING OUT LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN ONCE YOU'RE GRANTED THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? WILL YOU BE THE ONE, WILL YOUR COMPANY BE THE ONE GOING TO ADVERTISE AND SHOW THE HOME TO SOMEBODY WHO, WHO WANTS TO BUY IT? ABSOLUTELY. YOUR HOME, YOU'LL BE DOING ALL OF THAT? WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN INSIDE SALES DEPARTMENT. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU'LL STILL, YOU'LL BE DOING IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH, I WASN'T TRYING TO HAVE ANY GRAY AREA THERE TO GET AROUND ANY OF THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO HAVE THE CERTIFICATE OF OP OCCUPANCY AND THAT THAT WHATEVER DECISION IS MADE WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN PRIOR TO THAT LAST CERTIFICATE BEING ISSUED. BUT WHY COULDN'T YOU, WHY CAN'T YOU COMMIT TO DOING THE TURN LANE? THE, THE, THE, AT LEAST THE LEFT TURN INTO THE, INTO THE PLACE? WHY CAN'T YOU COMMIT TO WIDENING THE ROAD ENOUGH THROUGH ON THE EDGE OF YOUR PROPERTY TO WHERE YOU COULD PUT A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE [00:45:01] BUILDING, INTO THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE I'M, I'M JUST, I, MY CONCERN IS BETWEEN THE BRIDGE DOWN WHERE STONY CREEK IS UP TO AND TO PUT THAT LEFT TURN LANE IN IS IF I HAVE ENOUGH DISTANCE ACCORDING TO WHAT VDO T'S RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE. OKAY. SO I WAS TRYING TO WORD IT IN A WAY TO YES, WE WILL DEFINITELY EXPLORE THIS IDEA IF VDOT WOULD ALLOW IT. ALRIGHT, SO, SO LET, LET ME, LET ME SEE. YOU'RE GOING TO EXPLORE THE IDEA OF THE LEFT TURN LANE BASED ON VDO T'S RECOMMENDATIONS IF THERE IS ENOUGH ROAD FRONTAGE. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. I'M ASKING YOU TO PUT IN THE LEFT TURN LANE BECAUSE WE'RE COMING OFF THE BRIDGE. THERE'S THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE COMING SOMEBODY, I, I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE SAME TRAUMATIC INCIDENT IN MY HEAD. SOMEONE COMING OFF THAT BRIDGE DRIVING FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT. AND THERE'S A CAR STOP TO MAKE A LEFT TURN INTO YOUR PROPERTY. IT'S A POSSIBILITY OF A REAR END COLLISION WITHOUT THE TAPER, WITHOUT THAT LANE BEING AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO GET OVER INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN SO A CAR CAN PASS THEM ON THE RIGHT. IF THEY GOTTA SIT THERE JUST OFF THAT BRIDGE TO TRY TO MAKE THAT TURN WHILE TRAFFIC IS COMING, THAT, THAT'S AN INVITATION FOR AN ACCIDENT, ESPECIALLY THE WAY FOLK DRIVE UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. I'VE SAT THERE AND WATCHED 'EM DRIVE IT AND I ASKED YOU IN THE LAST, LAST MONTH, I ASK YOU ABOUT THAT AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACCIDENT. AM I RIGHT? WE DID. ALRIGHT. THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE WAS A MOTHER HAD JUST PICKED HER CHILDREN UP IN A MINIVAN AND SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS SITTING THERE AND SHE WAS WAITING TO MAKE HER LEFT TURN. I DO REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION. ALRIGHT. SO, AND THEN YOU SAY, WELL, YOU, YOUR ANSWER THEN COMES BACK THAT YOU'LL EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A LEFT TURN, LEFT TURN AND TAPER BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF VDOT STUDY. UH, WHICH, AND THEN YOU COME DOWN TO THE END AND SAY THE OWNER SHALL PROPERLY INITIATE DISCUSSIONS AND COMPLY WITH THE NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS AS DETERMINED BY, BY VO ENSURING THAT THE LEFT TURN LANE AND TAPER ARE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. CORRECT. BUT WHAT IF YOU GOT OTHER, OTHER, THE HO OTHER HOMEOWNERS IN THERE AND YOU GOT ONE HOME THAT YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED AND YOU GOT OTHER HOMES HOMEOWNERS ALREADY IN THERE WHO HAVE CHILDREN ON BOARD WAITING TO TURN LEFT INTO THE PROPERTY ON THE BOULEVARD, TURN LEFT TO GO IN, TRAFFIC'S COMING ON, THEY HAVE TO STOP AND SOMEONE COMES ACROSS THE BRIDGE FLYING ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND THEY DO FLY UP AND DOWN NASH ROAD. IN FACT, WE HAD A DISCUSSION, IF THE COUNTY WOULD PUT OFFICERS PATROLMEN SITTING OUT THERE, THEY COULD WRITE ENOUGH TICKETS TO BUY A CAR IN ABOUT SIX WEEKS FAST. THOSE FOLK DRIVE UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. SO I'M JUST NOT SATIS I'M JUST GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU. NO, THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH YOUR RESPONSE TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK, LAST MONTH. SO WHAT YOU WANNA SEE IS YOU WANNA SEE IN THE PROFFER THAT WE WILL INSTALL A LEFT HAND TURN LANE AND THEN YOU'LL VOTE YES. I DIDN'T SAY THAT RIGHT. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING. YEAH, WE'RE COMMUNICATING. BUT I DIDN'T SAY I WOULD VOTE. YES. OKAY. IF YOU, IF YOU SAID TO DO THAT, MAY I ADD SOMETHING THAT MAY HELP YOU? YEAH. TO KIND OF GET BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE. THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED TURNING AROUND BECAUSE WHAT IS THE DISTANCE OF THE ROAD FRONTAGE OF YOUR PROPERTY? UH, THE PROPOSED PROPERTY? IT'S NOT VERY LONG, BUT HOW MUCH IS IT? I, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE ALL OF MY PAPERWORK. IT'S PROBABLY ON THAT SCHEMATIC, BUT I THINK IT'S 13. I'M WORKING ON A COUPLE PROJECTS. 1300, I THINK IT'S AROUND 1300. SO I KNOW JUST ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT FOR THAT SPEED, WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE. BUT THE POINT IS, IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM THERE BETWEEN, ALONG HIS PROPERTY. 'CAUSE HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BEYOND THE LIMITS OF HIS PROPERTY. SO IF HE WERE TO PUT IN A RIGHT AND A LEFT TURN LANE, LIKE I SUGGESTED, LET'S JUST SAY THAT'S, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A RIGHT AND ONE DIRECTION AND A LEFT AND ANOTHER DIRECTION THAT'S ANOTHER 24 FEET. SO IF HE WERE TO LOSE 24 TO 30 FEET, DEPENDING ON THE TOPOGRAPHY, IF HE WAS LOSING 30 FEET OF HIS PROPERTY FOR THAT, THEN IT WOULD ONLY BE SO LONG. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS, BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT YOU MIGHT GET SOME, SOME VALUABLE FEEDBACK FROM VDOT, I WAS SIMPLY SUGGESTING TURNING IT [00:50:01] AROUND THE PROPER, INSTEAD OF SAYING LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHAT VDOT SAYS. I HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT BECAUSE I, I, I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, HOW THEY LOOK AT THINGS. MY RECOMMENDATION WAS YOU COMMIT TO THAT FULL LENGTH UNLESS THEY TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT. THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE LITTLE NUANCE I HAD IN THERE. AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT SATISFY YOUR CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT PROBABLY WON'T, NOT, NOT THAT IT, IT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD. OKAY. UM, OKAY, BECAUSE I I I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A RIGHT TAPER. I UNDERSTAND. I JUST WANT, I JUST, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE LEFT COM PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T TURNED LEFT GOING INTO THE PROPERTY. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S ON. THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M HUNG UP. UH, AND I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH ROAD FRONTAGE TO INCREASE. I MEAN, IF THEY GET OVER AND HAVE TO STOP, EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO, IT'S JUST THE FACT OF GETTING OVER SO THEY DON'T GET HIT IN THE BACK. I UNDERSTAND. SO TRAFFIC CAN GO BY THEM ON THE RIGHT. THAT THAT'S ALL I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ALL. SO THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT IS GOING BACK TO THE VDOT DISCUSSION, GIVING UP THE, THE, THE 30 FEET OR WHATEVER IT TAKES ON THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY IS NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE HEART BURNS OVER. BUT WHEN YOU MOVE OVER THAT AWAY, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE BEFORE WE GET BACK TO THE BRIDGE. WE GOTTA TAPER BACK INTO THE BRIDGE. SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS IF WE LEAVE ROUTE ONE GOING DOWN NASH ROAD, WE'RE IN, WE'RE GONNA WIDEN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD IN AN EFFORT TO GET THAT LEFT HAND TURN LANE IN. BUT THAT ROAD'S GOTTA GET BACK IN BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BRIDGE. AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU WHAT THE DISTANCE WAS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH ROOM THERE. I REALIZE THAT, AND, AND, AND, AND TO MR. TUCKER'S POINT, IT MAY NOT BE EVEN WITH THAT CONSTRAINT IN MIND, IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH ROOM TO SATISFY SOME FOLKS. I DON'T KNOW. IT, IT, IT IT MAY NOT. BUT BASED UPON THE WAY THEY PUT THE PROFFER IN IT DOESN'T SATISFY, IT DOESN'T SATISFY WHAT I WANT. I MEAN, I DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD EVERY DAY SOMETIME MORE THAN ONCE OR TWICE OR THREE TIMES AND I DON'T KNOW THE DISTANCE AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE, YOU PLAN ON PUTTING YOUR ENTRANCE AND I PROBABLY, I MEAN IS IT NEAR YOUR SIGN THAT SAYS OR, OR SOMEBODY SIGN SAYS FOR SALE? YEAH, SO IT WOULD BE AT THE, THE END OF THE PROPERTY CLOSER TO ROUTE ONE. THE CLOSER YOU GET TO STONY CREEK IS PART OF THAT'S ALL PROBABLY GONNA BE WHERE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, LIKE WHERE THEY CUT THE ROAD UP THROUGH THERE, THE ONE THAT WE SH IT SHOWS ON HERE HOW FAR IT'LL BE PAST THAT GOING DOWN NASH. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. NEAR WHERE THE SIGN IS. YES. OKAY. WELL, UH, LET'S SEE. MI MR. HAYES, I, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT DISTANCE. IT'S, YEAH, MR. DINSMORE WAS RIGHT, IT'S LIKE 1200, 1300 FEET ALONG THE FRONTAGE ALONG NASH ROAD. YEAH. SO JUST, JUST JUST BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH, IF PEOPLE ARE GOING BY THERE 55 MILES AN HOUR, THAT'S 88 FEET PER SECOND. RIGHT? SO AT, AT THAT SPEED, UM, YOU COVER 1300 FEET AND 14 SECONDS. SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I, I, I MEAN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SOMEBODY I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN ANSWER IT, BUT AT WHAT, WELL YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO, SAM, AT WHAT POINT DO THEY TAKE THOSE SECONDARY ROADS OR, UH, LIKE THAT AND CHANGE THE UH, UH, SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S 45 TO A CERTAIN POINT. SO, AND THEN BOOM, 55. YEAH. SO IS IT 45 AT ALL IN NASHVILLE? YES. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT TO BE THAT WAY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE GENERAL PROCESS WOULD BE THAT A SPEED STUDY WOULD BE DONE AND THE SPEED STUDY LOOKS FOR GEOMETRIC ALIGNMENT AND THE ALIGNMENT TO THAT BRIDGE IS PRETTY DARN THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY. IT'S PRETTY DARN GOOD BECAUSE, UM, OF WHEN THE BRIDGE ROOF REPLACED, IF ANYBODY'S BEEN AROUND A WHILE, YOU REMEMBER IT, IT WAS CUT DOWN QUITE A BIT. UM, SOME, I KNEW SOMEBODY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT, BUT . BUT ANYWAY, THE POINT IS GOOD OR BAD, THAT WAS DESIGNED TO HELP THINGS LIKE YOUR PRO LIKE YOUR, UM, PROPOSAL YEARS IN THE FUTURE. THAT DECISION WAS MADE 30 YEARS AGO. SO WITH THAT SPEED LIMIT BEING WHAT IT IS, YOU, IT DOES INCREASE AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER OPERATING SPEED. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY'LL TAKE THE, THEY'LL TAKE THE 85TH PERCENTILE, I THINK IS THE, IS THE CORRECT TERM, BUT THEY WILL LOOK AT THAT AND YOU'LL FIND THAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA WARRANT DROPPING IT TO 45. AND THAT OFTEN IS THE CASE BECAUSE THEN THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE SPEED LIMIT AND WHAT PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IS SO GREAT THAT YOU END UP WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE JUST SPEEDING BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THAT'S NATURAL FOR THEM VERSUS PEOPLE WHO [00:55:01] ARE GONNA LOOK AT IT AND FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW. IT IT'S THAT DIFFERENTIAL SPEED THAT USUALLY WHAT'S BECOMES DANGEROUS UNLESS IT'S AN OFF THE ROAD ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DOES THAT HELP? IN OTHER WORDS, THE ANSWER IS I DON'T THINK IT, I I I THINK IT'D BE PRETTY TOUGH TO GET DOWN TO 45. THERE IS WHAT I'M, I'M THINKING, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S JUST MY GUESS IT PROBABLY RIGHT NOW WOULD BE A GOOD MONEY MAKING POSSIBILITY FOR THE COUNTY IF WE JUST DID THE RIGHT THING. , MR. MR. CHAIR. I COULD MAKE A COMMENT TOO, WHILE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NUMBER 18. UM, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE LEGALLY WITH IT AS WELL. IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT. I I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ENFORCE FINAL, IN OTHER WORDS, CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE FINAL HOME. JUST, JUST SAYING THIS IS AN ALL, ALWAYS AN ARGUMENT WHETHER IT'S THE FINAL HOME, AND I UNDERSTAND IF IT'S MAXED OUT, BUT, UH, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT, THERE'S NEVER A FINAL HOME. SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME LEGALLY THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. SO I WANTED TO ADD THAT. WELL, WELL, MR. DREW, ONE THING I I LEARNED JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO WAS THAT ONE OF THE CASES THAT WE HAD HERE IN THE LAST, IN, IN OUR TENURE, MR. TUCKER, I KNOW FOR A FACT, UM, IT, IT, IT WAS A STIPULATION. LIKE HE SAID THAT ONE, IT WAS A TIPPING POINT. ONCE YOU GOT TO THAT TIPPING POINT AND SOMETHING WAS GONNA BE DONE AND THAT TIPPING POINT HADN'T HEARD IT HAPPEN YET, HADN'T HAPPENED, HAPPEN YET. . SO IS THAT NORTHERN END OF THE COUNTY? MM-HMM . IT, IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN IN MY OPINION. NOT NOW. THANK, UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MR. CHAIR, ONE OTHER THING. WE, WE HAVE TO OPEN AND CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER TOO. OKAY. NEW NEW LAWS AS OF JULY 1ST. OKAY. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEP. PLEASE. THE STATE, MR. CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP. OKAY. YOU'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. CHAIR, GO AHEAD AND CLOSE IT. CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS NEXT. I, I I GUESS I'LL JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT I SAID BEFORE, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE TO YOU, SIR, THAT I WASN'T HERE LAST MONTH AND MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU DIRECTLY. THAT'S MY FAULT FOR NOT DOING THAT. UM, I JUST, I DON'T WANT YOU TO, I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO SPEND, LIKE I SAID, A LOT, A LOT OF MONEY TO ENGINEER SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENS. THAT'S A WASTE OF MONEY. UM, LORD KNOWS I'VE DONE THAT A LOT IN MY CAREER, BUT, UH, I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE HAD BEEN MOVED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG. AND I GUESS TO MR. DREW'S POINT, MR. TUCKER'S POINT CAN RELATE TO NUMBER 18, BUT TO BE WRITTEN A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND A LITTLE MORE OBJECTIVELY, I GUESS WOULD BE MY FEELINGS ON IT. OKAY. WHAT I MEAN, MR. JURY, I MEAN, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S OPEN-ENDED SOMEWHAT. HOW DO YOU CLOSE IT TO SATISFY WHAT WE MAY WANT? I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE HAD IN THE PROFITS FOR, UM, THE GAMMON PROJECT, BUT IT, WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE. YEAH. AND I REMEMBER BEING SATISFIED WITH THAT ONE. AND I THINK Y'ALL WERE TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF MARK, IF YOU REMEMBERED IT TOO, IT DID MORE LIKE WHAT MR. HAYES WAS TALKING ABOUT. UM, IF, IF IT WAS VDOT, IF IT WAS FEASIBLE AND THEY COULD DO IT ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. AND I'M FORGETTING WHAT THE CUTOFF WAS, BUT IT WAS A DEFINITE DONE, NOT A TIMING. YEAH. WE, WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME CONVERSATION. I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HOW MUCH WAS BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT SAME CONVERSATIONS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. UH, MARK. OH, I'M SORRY. MR. ROBINSON. BRAD. YEAH. BRAD. YEAH. BRAD, THIS IS GOING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TOMORROW, RIGHT? NO, ON THE NEXT MEETING. THIS MEETING THIS MONTH, UH, NO, THIS CASE WAS NOT DOUBLE ADVERTISED. SO IT IS NOT SCHEDULED TO GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. UH, IT WOULD'VE GONE NEXT WEEK IF IT HAD BEEN DOUBLE ADVERTISED. BUT, BUT WE HAD NO, I I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD POSTPONE [01:00:01] THE MEETING FOR A MONTH AND IT WOULD BE DOUBLE ADVERTISED SO THAT IT COULD GET TO THE, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THIS MONTH. WE HAD TO BASED, BASED ON, LET ME FINISH. HMM. BASED ON, IN PART HIS NEED TO HAVE A DEFINITE ANSWER BEFORE HE LOSE THE CONTRACT. THAT, NOW THAT WAS JUST MY, WELL, AM I RIGHT? IT WAS MENTIONED, BUT WE, WE, WE AS STAFF HAD TO CONFER WITH THE ADMINISTRATION OFFICE ON, ON THAT, ON WHETHER THAT REQUEST WOULD BE ALLOWED. AND WE DID NOT GET APPROVAL TO ADVER DOUBLE ADVERTISE. OKAY. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. APPRECIATE IT. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON, ON THAT. OKAY. MR. HARVILLE, NO FURTHER COMMENT. OKAY. WELL, I GUESS WITH THAT IN MIND, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL. I DON'T HOW WE CLOSE THE END. HOW YOU CLOSE THAT, UH, RESOLVED MR. CHAIRMAN BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 A SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC, THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSES FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT REZONING P 23 DASH FOUR BE RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU. I SECOND YOU CAN'T SECOND THE MOTION? NO, SIR. I'M ASKING FOR A SECOND. OH, YOU'LL ASKING FOR A SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. MOTION THAT HAS BEEN MADE. AND SECOND, CAN WE VOTE NOW? MR. CUNNINGHAM? NAY, SIR? NO. MR. HARVILLE? NO. MR. TUCKER. WHAT I'M VOTING FOR DISAPPROVAL, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. I VOTE YES. MR. HAYES? YES. AND MR. SIMMONS? NO. P DASH 23 DASH FOUR AS THREE NOS AND TWO YESES IF I'M RIGHT. UH, THAT IS A GOING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A DENIAL OR DISAPPROVAL. IT WAS JE THE MOTION WAS REJECTED. REJECTED. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. YES, IT WAS DISAPPROVAL ON THREE NOS. YEP. OKAY. NEED A NEW, NEW MOTION? HMM? YOU NEED A NEW MOTION? NEED A NEW MOTION? MY MOTION WAS DEFEATED. OKAY, SO YOU NEEDED A MOTION. OKAY. I ENTERTAIN A MOTION NOW. ALL BE RESOLVED THEN. AN ORDER TO SHARE. COMPLIANCE VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6 A SEVEN IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT REZONING. P DASH 23 DASH FOUR BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH PROFFERS, THE WATER SUPERVISOR. SECOND. THAT WAS MR. HAYES. MR. TUCKER. MR. TUCKER. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. HARVILLE? YES. MR. TUCKER? NO. MR. HAYES? NO. AND MR. SIMMONS? NO. P DASH 23 DASH FOUR [01:05:01] HAS BEEN HAS . OKAY, LEMME GET THIS RIGHT. WE'RE SENDING IT WITH A NO, THREE NOS AND TWO YESES. UH, FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. WE'VE GOT A SECOND MOTION THAT FAILED. MM-HMM . ANYONE WANNA REDO A MOTION? WELL, THE ONLY OTHER THING I CAN THINK OF THAT WOULD HELP ME, THAT MAY NOT HELP YOU, AND THAT IS, UM, TO, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE LOST A MONTH, BUT I'M WILLING TO TALK WITH FOLKS AND TRY TO MAKE SOME, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAKE SOME HEADWAY WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES. BUT THAT'S TAKING TIME TOO. SO, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD ISSUES? WELL, AND THE OTHER ONES I HAD TOO ABOUT, I HAD, I HAD SEVERAL, THEY WERE MAINLY RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION, BUT IT HAD TO DO WITH THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A PROPER THAT WOULD BE MORE OBJECTIVE IN RE IN, IN REGARD TO, UH, UM, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN IN REGARD TO RECREATION OR, UH, THE SPACE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO USE. YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT I BROUGHT UP. I'M, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT TAKES UP, WE'RE ALREADY 30 INTO DAYS INTO A HUNDRED, AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A HUNDRED, I DON'T THINK. DO YOU, SO LET ME, LET ME INTERRUPT TO THE CHAT TOO. MR. MR. SIMMONS, YOU SAID NO ON THIS ONE? YES. CORRECT. AND SO YOU WERE DENYING THE APPROVAL, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD SO WELL WITH THAT IN MIND, HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL THIS MONTH ANYWAY. RIGHT. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE THEY MEET AGAIN. AM I RIGHT OR WRONG? SO IF HE TAKE THOSE 30 DAYS THAT, THAT'S CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU TAKE THOSE 30 DAYS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET ALL ISSUES RESOLVED, IT'LL STILL ALL WORK OUT. WELL, IT WON'T BECAUSE I, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS UNDER A TIME CONSTRAINT. THAT'S WHY I ASKED BRAD THE QUESTION I DID, BECAUSE IN OUR LAST MEETING WE DID, IF I'M NOT WRONG, UH, BRAD OR NOT WRONG, WE DID SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD TABLE THE, THE MEETING TABLE, THIS ISSUE FOR THIS MONTH, AND THAT IT WILL BE DOUBLE ADVERTISED SO THAT THE, IT COULD GET TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THIS MONTH BECAUSE HE SAID HE WAS UNDER TIME CONSTRAINT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAID. NOW, THAT WAS OUR AGREEMENT. BUT THE, THE POWERS THAT BE WHO ARE OVER US SAID IT CAN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE SOMETHING ELSE IS FILLING, FILLING THE SPACE. SO THAT'S, I WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS ENOUGH TIME, IF HE HAS ANOTHER, WHAT, 60 DAYS. I MEAN, WHETHER WE, WHETHER WE'D APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE IT, IT STILL WOULDN'T GET THERE IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT IT WOULD GET THERE IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT HE'S, HE'S SUGGESTING HE WOULD GET THERE IN THE TIMEFRAME ANYWAY. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING, BECAUSE THERE, THERE, IT'S NOT ONLY JULY CALENDAR, AND BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING FROM HIM WAS THAT HE WAS ON A TIME CONSTRAINT TO GET THIS DONE, GET IT APPROVED. MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND. I, I'VE BEEN HEARING, AND EVEN I LEGALLY WAS HUNG UP ON THE NUMBER 18, UM, ENFORCEABILITY. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE ANY, UM, LANGUAGE HE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH Y'ALL OR WHETHER IT WOULD HELP IF, AND AGAIN, PROFITS ARE VOLUNTARY, SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THE COUNTY. WE CAN'T TELL YOU TO DO SOMETHING AND EVERYTHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT ANY, ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON NUMBER 18 IF IT WOULD HELP THE PLANNING COMMISSION. CAN I APPROACH THE YES, PLEASE. SO I'M, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT AND I ASK THE QUESTION. IT'S HARD FOR US OR ME TO PUT INTO WORDS. SOMETHING'S GONNA BE AGREEABLE AMONGST EVERYONE. I ASKED THE CONVERSATION, WAS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A MEETING OR A WORKSHOP OR SOMETHING SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS TO TRY TO GET SOME LEVEL PLAYING AREA TO KNOW HOW TO WORD THIS TO MAKE EVERYONE COMFORTABLE. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S POSITION. I UNDERSTAND YOURS, UNDERSTAND THE VDOT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND HIS ISSUE AS FAR AS THE LAST CO THE, THE TIPPING POINTS. I, I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT. NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE I PUT INTO THIS, UNLESS I PUT IN THERE, I AM GOING TO INSTALL A LEFT TURN LANE PRIOR TO STARTING CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL GREAT. AND IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD FOR ME TO COMMIT TO DOING THAT. ASIDE FROM THAT, WE COULD PHASE THE PROJECT. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO PHASE THE PROJECT. [01:10:02] WE COULD SAY ONCE 10 HOUSES ARE COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS AS FAR, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T MAKE THE BOARD MEETING NEITHER. YEAH. SO I WAS SITTING HERE THINKING THE SAME THING. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING, ASKING THE QUESTION. I AM UNDER TIME CONSTRAINTS AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING TO THE LAST MEETING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF HELP I CAN GET IN MY CONTRACT IF I CAN GET AN EXTENSION. BUT IF I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS A GOAL AND WE'RE ALL WILLING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, THEN WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD. MR. SIMMONS, I GOT A SUGGESTION. GO AHEAD. YOU MADE A VERY GOOD POINT. I HADN'T, AND I WASN'T HERE AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION OVER THE DOUBLE, UM, ADVERTISEMENT. BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, YOU, YOU, YOU STRUCK A CHORD WITH EXACTLY WHAT I WAS INTERESTED IN AND BEING ABLE TO TALK THROUGH SOME THINGS. AND JUST LIKE YOU'RE SUGGESTING TOO, IS THERE A WAY TO DOUBLE ADVERTISE FOR AUGUST THAT WE WORK THROUGH SOME THINGS, TALK THROUGH SOME THINGS, IT DOES IN FACT COME BACK UP BEFORE US BECAUSE THE WAY WE'VE LEFT IT TONIGHT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT WILL. RIGHT. AND THEN GO TO THE BOARD A WEEK LATER. IS THAT POSSIBLE? Y'ALL WANNA SPEAK TO THAT AS STAFF? YEAH. UM, AS FAR AS MR. CHAIR, LET ME JUST INTERRUPT. YEAH. I'M GONNA GO UPSTAIRS AND GRAB THE, UH, GAMMON FILE. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'D BE HELPFUL OR NOT. UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SAY, IT'S NOT UP TO STAFF, RIGHT? NOR Y'ALL TO SAY THAT THEY'LL DOUBLE ADVERTISE. THE BOARD REALLY DOES NOT LIKE TO DOUBLE ADVERTISE. AND UM, THAT'S UP TO COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND BASICALLY THE BOARD, RIGHT? SO IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO SAY THAT. BUT I'M GOING, I'M GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK. MARK. WE I PROBABLY SAID IT. YEAH. MR. JURY HAS STATED EXACTLY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COMMIT TO DOUBLE ADVERTISE. WE, WE WILL COMMIT TO TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT IT IS UP TO THE BOARD AND THE ADMINISTRATION AND MR. JURY DID MAKE A POINT, UM, IN THE PAST, UM, PRIOR TO COVID, UM, AND THEN GOING THROUGH COVID AND COMING OUT OF IT, THE BOARD DID MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT THEY REALLY PREFER NOT TO DOUBLE ADVERTISE. UM, YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION THIS ONE TIME SINCE WE HOLD THE GENTLEMAN UP NOW 60 DAYS? YEAH, I YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY, YEAH, I KNOW YOU CAN'T. I JUST, YOU CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT EITHER. NO, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO COMMIT TO IT. I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AS WE WERE TALKING, MAYBE THEY'LL MAKE AN EXCEPTION SINCE WE HOLD HIM UP. ITS TIME. BUT, BUT IS THIS JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER. BOY, A HUNDRED DAYS WOULD BE A LANDMARK. I'M GONNA HAVE TO, I'M PRETTY SURE BE INCLUSIVE THROUGH OUR, UH, SEPTEMBER MEETING. I, YEAH. SO I'M THINKING, UH, JUNE, JULY, AUGUST. YEAH. IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE THROUGHOUT SEPTEMBER MEETING. YEAH. OR SEPTEMBER UP THROUGH OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING. UM, O ONLY THING, I, ONLY THING I I ONLY THING I CAN SUGGEST IS TWO PARTS. ONE THAT YOU, SIR, SEE IF YOU CAN GET AN EXTENSION AND TWO, UH, MEET, GET PLANNING AND MAYBE ONE OR TWO COM TWO MEMBERS ON COMMISSION TO WITH YOU TO SIT DOWN AND WORK THROUGH, WORK THROUGH THESE ISSUES AND THE, AND HAVE THE MEETING IN JULY THAT'S GONNA PUT, THAT'S GONNA PUT US, I MEAN, MEETING IN AUGUST, WHICH THEN WOULD PUT THE YOU ON THE DOCKET FOR, UH, POSSIBLY SEPTEMBER. THAT THAT'S NOW WE, WE WE CAN, WE CAN, WE COULD, WE COULD GO THAT ROUTE. YOU COULD ASK, LET GET IT RIGHT NOW. YOU COULD ASK THE TABLE IF WE DID TABLE, WE TABLED IT, BUT YOU COULD ASK THE TABLE FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO GIVE US TIME TO PUT THAT TOGETHER AND TRY TO GET YOU DONE AND OUT INTO, UH, SEPTEMBER. UH, BUT BEYOND THAT, I'M A LOST BALL WITH NO WEEDS. I, UH, I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE JUMPING FOR THAT ACREAGE ON THE ASH ROAD. IT [01:15:01] MAY BE A LOT. I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW. I MEAN, YEAH. I MEAN, ALL I CAN DO IS ASK FOR THE EXTENSION. IT'S JUST LIKE ALL THEY CAN DO IS ASK FOR IT TO BE DOUBLE AAS. RIGHT? I MEAN, I I'M IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S MERCY. YES, SIR. YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND I'M JUST SAYING. YEAH. WE, WE, WE, WE DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT. RIGHT. UM, BUT WE ARE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE HELD RESPONSIBLE AND THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY OKAY. AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS EXPECT US TO DO A THOROUGH JOB ON EVERY CASE THAT WE GET. SO THEY DON'T GET ANY BLOW BACK FROM ANYTHING. AND I'M, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AN ACCIDENT OFFERED IT RIGHT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE WE SAID, OH, GO AHEAD AND DO IT. GO AHEAD AND DO IT. AND WE'RE ABOUT THIS LATER ON AND SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT'S GONNA BE BLOW BACK ON THE BOARD. AND I, YOU KNOW, I IF YOU SMACK THE BULL AND THE BULL KICKED, YOU KNOW WHO'S BEHIND THE BULL, RIGHT? WE ARE BEHIND THE BULL. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET KICKED. I'M SORRY, EXCUSE ME FOR PUTTING IT IN THAT LINGO. BUT I TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN UP MY LANGUAGE THESE LAST FEW MONTHS. I'M GONNA GO BACK AND WATCH THIS MR. MR. CHAFF. YES. AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, AND Y'ALL TELL ME, I, UM, I KNOW THERE'S OTHER ISSUES OTHER THAN THE TURN LANE THAT YOU MAY I DID PULL GAMON FINAL PROS. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT. I EVEN READ IT THIS EVENING 'CAUSE I WASN'T PRIVY TO THE CONVERSATION AFTER I LEFT. BUT, UH, BUT I DO HAVE 'EM AS TO WHAT WE DID THERE. AND IT DIDN'T OBLIGATE THE DEVELOPER. IT OBLIGATED THE DEVELOPER UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND ME. YEAH. AND THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE SPIRIT OF WHAT I SAID EARLIER WAS TO, TO FOLLOW THE LANGUAGE THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT JUST TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR IT? THAT I MAY HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT THAT. HOW DOES THAT READ? HE, HE WAS OBLIGATED. GO AHEAD. AND, AND THAT'S OKAY. IT'S, IT'S A LONG PARAGRAPH. BUT THE ESSENCE OF IT IS BASICALLY IF IT'S UM, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT THE EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE IN TAPER CANNOT BE CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT REQUIRING ACQUISITION OF ALL SITE RIGHT AWAY FROM ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS, HIS OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE THIS LEFT TURN LANE IN TAPER SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED. AND IT TALKS ABOUT DOING SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THIS TYPE OF THING. AND WHETHER YOU WANT TO SAY IT, VDOT WON'T ALLOW IT. UH, IT JUST IS NOT FEASIBLE IF YOU UNDERSTAND ME. SO WHAT MR. HAYES IS SAYING IS YOU OBLIGATE YOURSELF, BUT YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD OUT IF IT JUST CAN'T PHYSICALLY YOU UNDERSTAND, MAY BE BE DONE. THAT'S THE WAY THAT ONE WAS WRITTEN. BASICALLY THE WAY I, THE WAY I INTERPRETED THAT THEY COMMITTED TO DOING IT UNLESS THEY COULDN'T ACQUIRE THE LAND OR THEY COULDN'T DO THIS. YEAH. RIGHT. THAT, AND TO ME IT JUST TURNS IT COMPLETELY AROUND FROM WHAT YOU HAD. THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE TO ME. IN OTHER WORDS, WHATEVER YOU'RE COMMITTING TO NOW WILL ONLY GO DOWN. IT WON'T GO ANY, IT WON'T BE ANYMORE. IN, IN YOUR CASE, ACTUALLY, YOUR EXPLORATION MAY DETERMINE YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO. BUT THIS, THIS AT LEAST PUTS YOU IN A BOX THAT COULD COME DOWN. YOU'LL, YOU'LL KNOW THAT COST OF GOING IN, I GUESS THE, THE MAXIMUM COST. YEAH. BUT THIS IS ALSO THE, THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING THERE, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY NOT COMMITTED TO ANYTHING. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT'S WORDED, BUT IF THEY CAN'T DO THIS OR AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER WON'T GIVE 'EM THIS OR VDOT DOESN'T, THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. WELL, YOU HAVE 13, YOU HAVE 1300 FEET MORE OR LESS THAT MARK SAID. SO, UM, YOU, YOU COULD NOT BE OBLIGATED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE NEXT PERSON'S PROPERTY ON EITHER SIDE OF YOU, ACROSS THE CREEK OR UP THE HILL. AND SO THE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT IF IF WHAT CAN BE DONE IN 13 FEET AND I'M JUST BALL PARKING THAT'S ABOUT 30 FEET INTO YOUR PROPERTY BASED ON THE TERRAIN. IF THAT CAN'T BE DONE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY CAN'T. BUT OTHERWISE YOU'RE OBLIGATING YOURSELF TO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO IN 1300 FEET. I, NOT, NOT ARGUING, BUT I FELT LIKE THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING. UNDERSTOOD. WILLING TO EXPLORE THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT VDO MAY OR MAY NOT ALLOW BECAUSE OF THE TAPER BACK TO THE BRIDGE TO, SO I WAS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR LAST DISCUSSION. IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE VERBIAGE ON IT, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO, LET'S, LET'S GET TOGETHER, LET'S TRY TO FIGURE THAT PART OF IT OUT. BUT WHAT OTHER ISSUES IS IT THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE FEMA MAP, REALLY ALL I WANNA DO IS JUST OVERLAY THAT AND GET YOU A ROUGH [01:20:01] ACREAGE. THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M REALLY WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW WITHOUT STARTING STORM MANAGEMENT, ENGINEERING DESIGN. 'CAUSE SOME OF THAT'S GONNA DICTATE THESE OTHER THINGS ALSO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE GONNA LOSE SEVERAL ACRES FOR STORMWATER, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, LET ME JUST BE BLUNT. THE VIRGINIA CODE IS SO RESTRICTED WHAT COUNTY NOW CAN DO WITH PROFITS AND WHAT WE CAN REQUIRE AND CAN'T REQUIRE. WE REALLY CAN'T SIT DOWN AND TELL YOU WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO AS AN ATTORNEY. MM-HMM . EITHER. AND NUMBER 18 IS NOT WRITTEN LEGALLY SUFFICIENT. SO EITHER YOU HAVE TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY TO WRITE IT LEGALLY EFFICIENT OR KEEP ON PUSHING STUFF AT US UNTIL WE SAY OKAY. AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE BLUNT, BUT IT IS DIFFICULT FOR US AS STAFF TO TAKE ITEMS LIKE THIS THAT YOU ARE WRITING. THAT'S NOT LEGAL. I CAN HAVE AN ATTORNEY WRITE IT ILLEGALLY, YOU KNOW, IN JUST TALKING BLUNT. BUT, BUT THESE GENTLEMEN OVER HERE, IT HAS TO BE TO WHERE IT'S GONNA BE. IT'S GONNA FEEL GOOD TO THEM ALSO. AND IT'S LEGAL TO YOU. OH, I GET IT. SO, YEAH. SO I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION TO REALLY SEE WHAT THEY WANT AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT LEGAL IF, IF, IF WE CAN DO IT. IF I CAN SEE MY WAY CLEAR OF IT. I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT TO PROVIDE A COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO PROVIDE NICE HOMES, BUT IT HAS TO, HAS TO BE PROFITABLE OR IT'S, WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME. I KNOW. AND LET ME DO EVEN MORE, FRANK IS, AND I'LL TELL THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS, THERE'S THINGS THAT GO ON BEHIND THE SCENE THAT STAFF, WE SEE THAT Y'ALL DON'T SEE. THIS ISN'T THE FIRST PROFFER. AND IT TOOK SOME TIME FOR STAFF TO GET THESE TO THIS POINT. 'CAUSE THE FIRST ONES THEY SHOW ME WEREN'T SUFFICIENT AT ALL. SO I DON'T, I KNOW YOU ON A TIME CONSTRAINT, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANY MORE THAN YOU'RE WILLING TO PROVIDE STAFF, IF YOU UNDERSTAND MM-HMM . SO I JUST LITTLE TIRED OF IT SEEING IT BEING PUSHED BACK ON THE COUNTY. UM, 'CAUSE IT TOOK SOME TIME FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM STAFF TO GET IT TO THIS POINT. SO, SO I KNOW YOU CAN'T GET AN ATTORNEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ONE PRIOR IF YOU REALLY WANTED THIS TO GO THROUGH TONIGHT. I, OKAY. THIS, THIS IS NOT A SMILE. IT'S SERIOUS. YOU, YOU, YOU CLAIM IT'S VERY SERIOUS AND I UNDERSTAND. SO I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME, SOME LANGUAGE IN HOW THE, THE VERY FIRST PART OF IT WAS DONE 'CAUSE WE GOT THE FEEDBACK AND THAT HAD TO BE REVISED THIS LAST TIME. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF TIME THAT WAS, THAT HAD TO BE TAKEN UP IN THAT. AND IF I DID TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF ANYONE'S TIME, I APOLOGIZE. IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT, IT'S THAT THESE THINGS TO GO LEGALLY THROUGH. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT DENWITTY DOES 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN OTHER COUNTIES AND Y'ALL ARE DOING A WAY BETTER JOB THAN WHEN I CAME HERE 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO. IF YOU UNDERSTAND ME. AND, UH, IT JUST TAKES TIME. SO THE EXPECTATIONS CAN'T BE, YOU UNDERSTAND ME TO COME IN HERE AND JUST, JUST DO IT. BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE TIME CONSTRAINTS YOU UNDER TOO. OKAY. SO I BELIEVE WE WERE DISCUSSING SOME OPTIONS AND THOSE OPTIONS WE WERE DISCUSSING, I BELIEVE HE JUST SHOT DOWN AND SAID THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A MEETING. SO THINK NO, YOU SAY THAT, I THINK WHAT I HEARD YOU HAVE TO LOOK, DO CHECK INTO THAT, RIGHT? FOR THE DOUBLE ADVERTISING, YES. WE HAVE TO, THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY ADMINISTRATION. MR. SIMMONS, I'LL, I'LL COMMIT THIS. IF, IF PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THAT AND WHETHER THAT WORKS OUT OR NOT, I'D LIKE TO COMMIT MY TIME TO HELP WITH THE CONCERNS THAT I BROUGHT UP TONIGHT. OKAY. HOWEVER, SOUNDS GOOD. YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER IF WE CAN. AND DON'T LET ME MISINTERPRET. 'CAUSE YOU AND I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND. I, I, WE CAN AS A COUNTY TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. YOU CERTAINLY CAN SIT DOWN WITH PEOPLE AND DISCUSS OKAY. DISCUSS IT. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S A NUANCE THERE IF YOU UNDERSTAND ME. YEAH. IN OTHER WORDS, I CAN'T, WE CAN'T TELL YOU YOU GOTTA DO X, Y, Z OH, WE ARE NOT GONNA APPROVE IT. BUT YOU CERTAINLY CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND THAT'S FINE. YEAH. IT, IT'S A MATTER OF SAYING WHAT WHAT MAKES US COMFORTABLE. EXACTLY. SO, SO YES, YOU CAN MEET WITH, WITH COMMISSION MEMBERS. SO, SO THEN MR. DREWRY, THEN THIS WOULD BE NEED TO BE TABLED AGAIN, RIGHT? I WOULDN'T PRIVY TO THE CONVERSATION AS TO TIMELINE WHEN I WENT UPSTAIRS, [01:25:01] BUT YES, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA VOTE TONIGHT, YOU WOULD. SO EITHER YES, TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER OR Y'ALL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIFFER. , I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. 'CAUSE IT WAS KIND OF SURPRISING TO ME THAT HAD THE VOTE CAME UP WITH TWO, YOU KNOW, TWO, UH, THREE, TWO DECISIONS. SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? I MEAN, IF, IF IN THE ABSENCE OF ANYTHING ELSE, IN THE ABSENCE OF A COMMITMENT TO DOUBLE ADVERTISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHAT HAPPENS NOW GOING FORWARD TO THE BOARD IN AUGUST? IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING FURTHER TONIGHT, MARK, TELL ME, HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED? HAS THERE EVER BEEN A A NO RECOMMENDATION SENT UP TO THE BOARD? I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH, WE, WE HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE HAD I SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. I MEAN, I REMEMBER SOMETHING THAT WE SAID WHERE, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS SAID THEY DISAPPROVED SOMETHING AND IT WENT TO THE BOARD. YES. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER ONE WHERE WE HAD, LIKE, WE HAD TONIGHT WHERE YOU HAD 3, 2, 2 3 AGAINST AND THEN 3, 2, 4 OR, OR WHATEVER, VICE VERSA. TWO TWO FAILED MOTIONS. YEAH. YEAH. TWO FAILED MOTIONS, TWO FAILED OPPOSING MOTIONS ALMOST. YEAH. YEAH. AND, UH, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S UNIQUE TO ME, I THINK. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE BASIS FROM OUR QUESTION. I CAN CERTAINLY, AND I'LL HAVE TO TELL YOU, I'M, I'M THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. I'M NOT THE THE GUY THAT MAKES THE DECISION IF YOU UNDERSTAND ME. SO, UM, I COULD CERTAINLY TALK TO TYLER IF HE WAS COMFORTABLE. IF Y'ALL WANTED TO SEND IT TO THE BOARD BASICALLY WITH AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HAPPENED. WELL, MR. SIMMONS, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALSO SAY THAT IT'S OUR SENTIMENT. I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS WE WANT TO TRY TO HELP, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD'S WILLING, YOU KNOW, WHAT MECHANISM THEY'RE WANTING TO USE. BUT WE'RE WILLING TO HELP. AND I WOULDN'T, AGAIN, WITH THE CALENDAR, DOES IT WORK FOR ANOTHER BOARD? IF IT'S DOUBLE ADVERTISING THE HUNDRED DAY YEAH, THE HUNDRED DAYS AND THE WHOLE, EVERYTHING WORKS. MM-HMM . WORKS OUT FOR IT TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST. YEP. AND THEN THE BOARD MEETING IS YEAH, LATE AUGUST E EVEN IF THEY DON'T, THEY'D GO TO SEPTEMBER. IT WOULD GO INTO SEPTEMBER. THIS THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE, WE, WE WOULD'VE MADE A DECISION IN AUGUST AND THEN IT WOULD GO, IF YOU CAN'T DOUBLE BOOK IN AUGUST, IT WOULD, THE DECISION WOULD BE MADE IN SEPTEMBER FOR US. AND IF YOU CAN'T DOUBLE BOOK IT IN AUGUST FOR IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE BOARD, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE BOARD IN SEPTEMBER. AM I RIGHT, BRAD? RIGHT. IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T DOUBLE ADVERTISE IN AUGUST, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE BOARD AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 19TH MEETING. OKAY. RIGHT. WHERE DOES IT PUT YOU? SO THAT'S, I'M NOT SURE. I WOULD HAVE TO JUST LIKE THERE AT, AT THE MERCY OF SOMEBODY ELSE WHETHER OR THEY WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE DOUBLE ADVERTISED. I HAVE TO GO TRY TO NEGOTIATE AN EXTENSION. YEAH. I I ALSO, THIS IS JUST AN OPTION. I'M NOT ADVOCATING. UM, I CAN TALK TO MR. SOUTHALL ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK THAT I, AND HE WILL BE OKAY WITH A, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THIS, A MOTION TO BRING IT BACK AND KNOW IT WAS BASICALLY TO BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN AUGUST. IF IT CAN BE DOUBLE TAB ADVERTISED, IF NOT TO SEND IT THROUGH WITH THE HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENED THIS EVENING. AND IT WAS BASICALLY GO TO THE, GO TO THE AUGUST MEETING. I MEAN I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY ALL WE CAN DO. YEAH. BASICALLY. YEAH. BUT I'D WANT A MOTION FOR IT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. I GET A MOTION FOR THAT. AND LET ME EXPLAIN TOO, AND I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. I MEAN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS A RECOMMENDATION BOARD TO FLUSH OUT THE ISSUES AND IF THE STAFF REPORT, BRAD, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? BASICALLY OF PORTRAYING THE ISSUES TO THE, TO THE BOARD AND HOW WE CAME TO WHERE WE ARE YOU OKAY WITH PRESENTING LIKE THAT AT THE BOARD? IF WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, I HOPE WE WILL. BUT I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT. SORT OF KIND. YES. WE PREFER OR HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD. YES. YEAH. SO I, AND, AND, AND HONESTLY I WOULD FEEL BETTER GOING TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT IF NOT, I'M JUST GONNA GET TO THE BOARD AND I'M GONNA HAVE SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES, SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS AND WE'RE WASTING, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME. WELL THEN LET'S MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE WITH A REQUEST FOR IT TO BE DOUBLE ADVERTISED [01:30:01] IF APPROVED. YOU UNDERSTAND ME, ADMINISTRATION, I'LL, ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT THAT. I'LL SAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT IF THE BOARD IS WILLING TO DOUBLE ADVERTISE IN AUGUST, THAT WE TABLE THIS ONE MORE MONTH TO THE AUGUST MEETING. AND DURING THAT TIME WE'LL WORK TOGETHER WITH THE APPLICANT IN THE ABSENCE OF THE BOARD MAKING SUCH A FAVORABLE DECISION TO DOUBLE ADVERTISE. THEN THIS WOULD GO TO THE BOARD IN A AUGUST WITH NO RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS TALKING ABOUT. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING AND YOU'D LET ME, I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT. IS THAT BASICALLY YOU'D PREFER FOR IT TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST AND, AND WITH A STERN REQUEST TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND BOARD TO, TO DOUBLE ADVERTISE FOR AUGUST? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER. AND I MEAN ON THE, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, I AM, WHEN I, I I HAVE TO START WORKING ON EXTENSION. I'M GONNA TRY TO WORK MY EXTENSION OUT THROUGH SEPTEMBER JUST IN CASE THAT GETS DENIED. AT LEAST I KNOW THAT I WOULD HAVE TIME, I WOULD PREFER TO GET IT EXPEDITED. BUT IF IT GOES THAT WAY, I WOULD STILL PREFER FOR YOU GUYS TO HEAR IT. LET'S GET AN APPROVAL OR A DENIAL BEFORE WHATEVER GOES TO THE BOARD. 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S, IT HAS A BETTER CHANCE GOING THROUGH THERE IF I HAVE Y'ALL'S BLESSINGS. I, SO I KNOW WE ARE TALKING THROUGH THIS AND EVERYTHING, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMAL. BUT, UH, MR. HAYES, I I WOULD SUGGEST THE MOTION BE MADE TO TABLE IT TO THE, UH, TO THE AUGUST MEETING, UH, WITH A REQUEST TO STAFF TO AGAIN, ASK FOR DOUBLE ADVERTISEMENT. ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL REMAKE THAT MOTION WITHOUT THE WORD STERN THOUGH. , UM, IN, IN DEFERENCE TO THE BOARD. UM, SO I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS, UM, APPLICATION JUST UNTIL, UM, OUR AUGUST MEETING WITH THE REQUEST THAT THE BOARD DOUBLE ADVERTISE IN AUGUST PERIOD. SO THAT WAS MR. CUNNINGHAM. AYE MR. HARVILLE? YES. YES. MR. TUCKER. YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM. A AYE, MR. HAYES . YES. MR. MR. SIMMONS? YES. FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. YEAH. SO THAT MEANS THEN THAT, UH, YOU'VE AGREED TO WORK WITH THEM. YEAH, I, IIII, I WANNA SAY BIG PICTURE, I THINK THIS FITS OUR COMP PLAN APPROVAL THAT WE, UH, AND UPDATES WE'VE BEEN DOING 'EM FOR SINCE I'VE EVER BEEN ON THE BOARD. UM, WHEN I SIT HERE AND LOOK AT THAT PHOTO UP THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT FITS NICELY. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS GREAT. UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS NEED TO BE MEMORIALIZED MORE OBJECTIVELY AND I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND I'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE AT LEAST THAT THAT'S HISTORICALLY WHEN WE HAD COMMISSION MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, DO THIS AND IT COULD BE MAYBE A COUPLE FOLKS. AND, UH, SO I'M, I'M PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT, HOPEFULLY. AND, AND, UM, CAN'T DO THAT. CAN'T DO THAT. CAN'T DO THAT. ARE YOU TALKING TO US? ARE YOU ? OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT I, I CAN'T I, IT THE, I THINK THAT'LL WORK FINE. Y'ALL WORK, YOU'RE GOING ALL GONNA WORK WITH STAFF AND WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UM, WELL, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. Y'ALL, Y'ALL, Y'ALL KNEW THE LEGAL LEAVE SO WELL. I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. I THINK I CAN SPEAK ON YOUR, I CAN OPERATE ON YOUR BEHALF. YEAH. I FEEL COMFORTABLE. YEAH. I I I I'M SURE YOU CAN, UM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THAT MY PLACE ON THAT AND WORK WITH THEM? I REALLY WOULD, BUT I CAN'T. I CAN'T. OKAY. SIMPLY BECAUSE I HAVE THREE OR FOUR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS EVERY WEEK. NO PROBLEM. I GOT CUT. I CAN'T YEAH. GET YOURSELF STRAIGHT, MAN. I'M WORKING ON IT. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF. I'M WORKING ON IT. IT'S JUST THAT, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WHEN IT COMES, WHEN IT, SINCE WE, WE ARE DOING THIS, MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE ATTORNEY WILL BE ABLE TO SAY, I CAN STAND ON THIS. WELL, I THINK ONE THING WOULD HELP ME IN BEING ABLE TO, TO ACT ON YOUR BEHALF. I WOULD RECOMMEND TO GET A COPY OF THE GAMMON PROPER THAT'S RELATED TO THIS FROM MR. DREW TONIGHT. AND YOU TELL ME, TAKE A FEW DAYS AND TELL ME WHAT YOU LIKE AND DISLIKE ABOUT IT. OKAY. [01:35:01] I CAN DO THAT. SOMEONE AT ONE POINT SAID, POSSIBLY IF WE WERE GONNA DO THAT, MAYBE GETTING A BOARD MEMBER OR TWO AS WELL. IS THAT POSSIBLE? AND IF SO, CAN'T SPEAK. YEAH, IF THEY'LL DO IT. I MEAN, ALRIGHT. AS LONG AS YOU HAVEN'T GOT MORE THAN MORE THAN TWO OF EITHER BODY, YOU'RE FINE. RIGHT. TWO OF US. OKAY. RIGHT? YEAH. YES. MM-HMM . TWO'S FINE. YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE THREE, TWO BY TWO. AND I, I MAY BE ABLE TO FIND AT LEAST ONE BOARD MEMBER. MATTER OF FACT, I WILL FIND ONE BOARD MEMBER. DON'T DO IT, MS. CUNNINGHAM. SIR. DON'T DO IT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, ? THEY DON'T MIND ASKING ME. I'LL ASK THEM. OKAY. TWO BY TWO. JUST LIKE THE ARC. YEAH. ALRIGHT. I'M SATISFIED. AND I, AND WHILE I'VE TALKED, THIS IS DOUBLE SPEAK 'CAUSE SOMETIMES I DON'T LIKE LAW. 'CAUSE IN ENGINEERING, ONE PLUS ONE IS TWO. AND I TELL PEOPLE ONE PLUS ONE IS WHATEVER YOU CAN ARGUE IT TO BE IN LAW AND IT'S JUST WEIRD, YOU KNOW. BUT, UM, THAT'S BLAST. IF Y'ALL CAN GET ME SOME ROUGH LANGUAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU UNDERSTAND ME. ONCE Y'ALL GET TO THE AGREEMENT, I DON'T MIND GIVING IT UP, UP OR DOWN IF YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, WHETHER IT'S LEGALLY OKAY. WE'LL HAVE AN ATTORNEY WRITE IT THE NEXT TIME. ONCE WE'VE GOT THIS I'LL HAVE AN ATTORNEY WRITE IT UP. AND YOU, YOU'RE VERY CLOSE. AS I SAID ON THIS, ON THIS PROFFER ON THIS ONE. THE, THE 18 NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT, AND OF COURSE WE'VE GOT OTHER EXAMPLES. I'VE BEEN IN OTHER LOCALITIES AND WE, THERE WAS MORE EXAMPLES. YOU UNDERSTAND ME? SO I, I DO. SO, YEP. SO WE ARE ALL IN, WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT. RIGHT? OKAY. I NEED TO GET CONTACTED. ARE YOU, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? YOU COMFORTABLE WHAT WE ARE DOING? YES, SIR. I MEAN, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WILLINGNESS AND I APPRECIATE THE INFORMAL CONVERSATION. ALL OF THAT IS GREAT. I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE END OF IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I WANNA FEEL LIKE WE ALL DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION. ALRIGHT, SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE, UH, CASE P DASH 23 DASH FOUR FOR MR. TUCKER. WE ALREADY DID THAT. WE DID THAT. WE ALREADY DID THAT. YES, SIR. YES, THAT'S WHAT WE JUST DID, SIR. THAT'S WHAT I JUST VOTED ON. YES, SIR. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. UM, NUMBER 11, OLD BUSINESS. I HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. NUMBER 12. NEW BUSINESS. NO NEW BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. NUMBER 13. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS. NUMBER [14. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS] 14, PLANNING DIRECTOR COMMENTS. YES, MR. CHAIR, JUST WANT TO, UH, REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE, UH, DRAFT 2043 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL BE COMING TO YOU ALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT YOUR AUGUST MEETING. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE ADVERTISING IT FOR THAT. SO WE, WE'VE STARTED THAT PROCESS, BUT THE ADS WILL BE APPEARING COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS IN THE PAPER. SO WE WILL BE HAVING PUBLIC HEARING AT YOUR AUGUST MEETING, MR. BE? YES. YOU MENTIONED THAT LAST MONTH ABOUT THE SHARONS SHARONS PARK. YES. UH, STAFF IS, MR. ROBINSON IN PARTICULAR IS WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT. AND THERE'S SOME ITEMS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION. SO THEIR APPLICATION TECHNICALLY IS NOT COMPLETE OKAY. TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADVERTISING FOR PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING, MR. ROBINSON'S WORKING WITH THEM, SO WE'RE NOT SURE IF THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THE AUGUST MEETING, UM, WITH A COMPLETE APPLICATION YET. SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO PLAY THAT BY YEAR OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. OKAY. UM, IF NOT, THAT WILL BE COMING TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, REGULAR MEETING FOR PUBLIC HEARING. SO I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I, I'M, I'M THINKING I'M GONNA PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER CONFLICT IN SEPTEMBER, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY BIG GOING ON. I DON'T WANT TO MISS IT AGAIN. UM, SO WHAT ARE YOU THINKING MIGHT COME IN SEPTEMBER AT THIS POINT, THAT CASE? YEAH, THAT WAS THE, UM, SHAN'S PROPERTY RIGHT OFF OF TROUBLE FIELD ROAD. RIGHT. CONTINUING THE SAND OF GRAVEL MINING. THEY HAVE TO, UM, GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS TO EXPAND UPON THE YES, YES. TO EXPAND. [01:40:01] SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING. I MEAN, I KNOW THINGS COULD CHANGE, BUT THAT'S ALL THAT'S ON THE A HORIZON RIGHT NOW. UM, WE ARE WORKING ON ANOTHER CASE. THE, THE OTHER CASE IN SEPTEMBER WOULD BE, UM, THE, UM, WALKER PROPERTY ON HEIMER ROAD ACROSS FROM WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING, UM, ACROSS HOFHEIMER. IT GETS TO BE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF HOFHEIMER. THAT PROPERTY THEY HAVE THERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING IN REQUESTING A REZONING, UM, TO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL. UM, THEY, THEY'VE HAD FEEDBACK FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE LOOKING AT THAT PROPERTY AND, UM, THEY REALLY FEEL LIKE, UM, TO BETTER MARKET THAT PROPERTY, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THEM IS TO REZONE THE M TWO ON THAT SITE. SO IS THAT THE SAME PROPERTY WE HAD THE APARTMENT COMPLEX FROM YOU? YES. THAT'S THE SAME PROPERTY? YEP. YES. YEP. UNDERSTOOD. WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, FERN PROPERTY? UM, UH, FERNDALE? THE CHEIN ANIMAL HOSPITAL? YES. YEAH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM. NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN THAT'LL BE COMING FOR OKAY. REZONING FOR PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, BUT YEAH, BUT IT'S IN THE WORKS. YEAH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM. ALRIGHT. ROUNDABOUT, WHAT ABOUT MY ROUNDABOUT THAT'S MOVING FORWARD? YOU'RE GONNA LOVE IT, MAN. WHEN YOU FORGET SOMETHING, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO JUST TURN RIGHT THROUGH AND GO HOME JUST SO EASILY. YOU GOT THE RIGHT AWAY. WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, JUST REMEMBER THAT. IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, YOU DON'T. I HAVE A QUESTION, SIR. YES. MR. MANN, UH, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP WITH THE ABSENCE OF DR. PROSITE? IT, IT APPEARS TO ME IT IS, IS SIX ON THE COMMITTEE THEN NOW? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SHOULD, SHOULD IT BE AN ODD NUMBER? I MEAN, HOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS OF WHAT DO WE, WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP? YEAH, THE, UM, UH, DR. PROSITE DID, UM, SUBMIT HIS RESIGNATION TO THE BOARD SO THEY'RE AWARE OF THE VACANCY AND THEY'LL BE PUTTING THAT ON THEIR AGENDA FOR APPOINTING A NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONER. BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TOO? YES, THE BOARD. OKAY. YOU HAD SOMEBODY IN MIND? NO, I'M ALREADY ON IT. . I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THAT PROCESS GOES THROUGH. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE THEY WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT. AND I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT. I'M NOT SURE WHEN THAT APPOINTMENT WILL BE MADE, BUT PERHAPS NEXT WEEK OR PERHAPS THEIR AUGUST BOARD MEETING. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE, WHAT'S THE, UM, FOR VOTING PURPOSES. HE HAD THE ODD DOES, WHAT'S THE NA WHAT'S THE, UM, NAME OF THAT POSITION? I, I'M A DISTRICT UM, REPRESENTATIVE. UM, HE WASN'T THOUGH, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT DID, WHAT POSITION IS THAT? HE WAS, HE WAS, YEAH, HE WAS, MR. HAYES IS AT LARGE. OKAY, I GOTCHA. YEAH, I I'M FEELING BAD HERE. I'M THE ONLY PERSON I CAN REPRESENT DARVILLE, SO I JUST, I I'M JUST, I DON'T FEEL ADEQUATE. YOU'RE DOING GOOD. YOU'RE DOING GOOD. . BUT TECHNICALLY, UM, HE'S THE, EVERETT WAS THE DISTRICT. HE WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE. OKAY. YEAH. I'M SORRY. I GOT THAT. YEAH. BUT YEAH, I GOT YOU. OKAY. SO MS. MR. MOODY WILL PROBABLY BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OKAY. IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. I THINK HE'S MEETING WITH SAM THIS WEEK. MR. MOODY WILL BE WITH YOU THIS WEEK TOO. SELECT SOMEBODY. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO CONSULT ME. NO. YOU SURE? MM-HMM. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER A LONG TIME. SAM, I THINK, I THINK CULTURALLY, I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY UP TO HIM TO THINK ABOUT WHO HE MIGHT WANT TO NOMINATE, BUT THE WHOLE BOARD HAS TO VOTE ON IT. BUT I'M NOT THE MAYOR OF DARVILLE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. WHO ISN'T THAT? I'M, I'M MORE ON, I'M, I REMEMBER I'M THE TRI-CITIES GUY. DARVILLE, MARK MOORE CORN OR FLAT ROCK . MR. BRO WAS TRULY DARWIN , WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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