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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
ATION TO THE FLAG AND ONE WITH SILENCE, PLEASE.I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND, AND TO THE REPUBLIC.
REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
APPROVE OF AGENDA, UH, AGENDA HEARING.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVE OF THE MINUTES.OCTOBER 11TH WORKSHOP MEETING.
I WILL MOVE THAT THE MASS BE APPROVED AS READ IS PRESENTED.
[6.CITIZEN COMMENTS ]
SIX.DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP FOR THE CITIZEN COMMENTS YOU WANT ME TO DO? NOT MR. THE CHAIR.
SO I WILL OPEN AND I WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN.
COMMENTS OPEN, CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENTS, PUBLIC HEARING
[7.A. CASE C-23-5]
CASE C DASH 23 DASH FIVE.GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BRAD ROBINSON WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND I'M GOING TO GIVE A STAFF PRESENTATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C DASH 23 DASH FIVE.
THE APPLICANT FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS STONY CREEK MATERIALS, WHO IS REQUESTING TO, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL TO OPERATE AN OPEN PIT AND SAND OPEN PIT, SAND AND GRAVEL MINE.
THE PROPERTY CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 110.8 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES AND IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF REFIELD ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 1.2 MILES EAST OF THE INTERSECTION WITH BLACK BRANCH ROAD.
THERE ARE THREE PARCELS INCLUDED WITH THIS REQUEST.
THOSE PARCELS ARE IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCELS AGE OF SIX S 41, 87 DASH EIGHT AND 87 DASH 17.
AND THOSE PARCELS ARE REPRESENTED ON THE SCREEN OUTLINED IN RED.
ALL OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED, UM, AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, WHICH IS THE A TWO DISTRICT.
THE A TWO DISTRICT PERMITS FOR OPEN PIT MINING FOR MINERALS OR MINERAL SANDS, UH, WITH APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS PROPERTY AS BEING WITHIN A RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, WHICH IS DESCRIBED AS BEING INTENDED TO LIMIT NEW GROWTH AND ENCOURAGE THE CONTINUATION OF EXISTING AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TROUBLE FIELD ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY SURROUNDED BY UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES FARMLAND AND FORESTAL USES.
UH, STONY CREEK ALSO RUNS, UM, WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED MINING OPERATION IS PROPOSED TO BE OPERATED SIMILAR TO THE ADJACENT MINING OPERATIONS AROUND THE PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, THE PEGRAM MINE, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN 2012, THE SHANS MINE, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN, UH, 2016, AND THEN ANOTHER SHANDS MINE, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN 2020.
THOSE MINES WERE APPROVED THROUGH PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, AND THIS REQUEST IS PROPOSING BASICALLY TO EXPAND, UH, THAT TYPE OF OPERATION ONTO THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES.
UH, THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE MINE WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE OTHER MINES, WHICH THOSE HOURS INCLUDE, UH, 7:00 AM
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TO 4:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.AND THEN, UH, WITH CONSIDERATION TO AREA CITIZENS, THEY'RE LIMITED ON SATURDAYS FROM 8:00 AM TO 2:00 PM SO TO DESCRIBE THE MINING OPERATION, THE SAND AND GRAVEL MATERIAL WAS MINED USING AN EXCAVATOR.
UH, THERE WOULD BE NO BLASTING OF MATERIALS.
THE MATERIAL IS STOCKPILED ON THE MINE SITE.
THAT MATERIAL WAS THEN LOADED INTO A LOADER USING AN EXCAVATOR.
THE MAXIMUM DEPTH OF THE MINE PIT WOULD BE 14 FEET.
AS THE MINING IN THE AREA IS COMPLETED, THE BANKS OF THE, LET ME BACKTRACK.
UM, WITH THE PROGRESSION OF THE MINING TAKING PLACE BELOW THE WATER TABLE POOLING, A WATER WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE PLACE IN THE MINE PITS, WHICH CREATES A SMALL LAKE.
AS THE MINING IS COMPLETED, THE BANKS OF THESE LAKES ARE SLOPED AND THEN STABILIZED.
THE MINING PIT AREAS ARE BUFFERED FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA BY BERMS, WHICH ARE, UH, CREATED FROM THE EXCAVATED TOP SOIL.
THESE BERMS ARE THREE FEET IN HEIGHT AND FOUR FEET WIDE EXCESS TOP, SO IS USED TO RECLAIM THE MINE SITE AFTER THE MINE AND OPERATION BY SPREADING AND DISKING IN THIS TOP SOLE, THE STOCKPILE SAND AND GRAVEL MATERIAL IS PROCESSED ON THE SITE USING A SCREENING PLANT.
THERE IS NO CRUSHING OF ROCK MATERIAL ALLOWED AS PART OF THIS MINING OPERATION.
ANY OVERBURDEN OR WASTE MATERIAL IS STOCKPILED ON THE SITE AND SEEDED ANY RUNOFF FROM THE STOCKPILE DRAINS BACK INTO THE MINE PIT AREAS.
THE STOCKPILE WASTE MATERIAL IS EITHER SOLD OR UTILIZED ON THE SITE TO RECLAIM THE BANKS AND SLOPES.
AFTER THE SAND AND GRAVEL IS PROCESSED ON THE SITE, IT IS HAULED OFFSITE USING THE HAUL ROAD THAT EXTENDS INTO THE SITE FROM REFIELD ROAD.
THE HALL ROAD IS TO BE WATERED AS NEEDED TO CONTROL DUST.
IT'S ESTIMATED THAT NO MORE THAN 50 TRUCKLOADS OF MINE SAND AND GRAVEL MATERIAL WILL BE HAULED OFF SITE EACH DAY.
FOLLOWING THE MINE OPERATION, THE POST MINE LAND USE WILL RETURN TO THE PRE MINE AGRICULTURAL USE.
THE ENTIRE MINE SITE IS RECLAIMED BY REVEGETATING THE SITE USING THE STOCKPILE TOPSOIL AND ANY STOCKPILE OVERBURDENED.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY'S WITHIN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
AS INDICATED IN THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE DEPARTMENT OF MINES MINERALS AND ENERGY AND MORE SPECIFICALLY THE DIVISION OF MINERAL MINING WILL ISSUE AND OVERSEE THE PROPOSED MINING OPERATION.
THE MINING OPERATION WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THIS PERMIT AND THE LICENSE.
DRAINAGE SAFETY AND RECLAMATION PRACTICES ARE MADE A PART OF THE PERMIT AS ARE PERIODIC INSPECTIONS BY THE OPERATOR.
WITH REGARDS TO IMPACTS ON PUBLIC UTILITIES, SCHOOL SYSTEM AND PUBLIC SAFETY, THERE WOULD BE NO IMPACT TO SCHOOLS.
THE EXISTING UTILITIES ARE HANDLED ON SITE.
MECHANICAL SYSTEM UTILIZED ON THE SITE INCLUDE AN EXCAVATOR, A RUBBER HIRED LOADER CONVEYOR, AND SCREENING PLANT IN A DEWATERING SCREW.
THE SYSTEMS NEEDING ONSITE POWER WOULD BE POWERED BY A DIESEL ENGINE.
UH, THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAVE ADDRESSED THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES INVOLVED WITH THIS PROPOSED USE.
WITH REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION, VDOT HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST TO ALLOW THE, A MAXIMUM OF 50 DUMP TRUCKS PER DAY ON THE DAYS IS SPECIFIED IN THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF THE MINING OPERATION, APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL VDOT PERMIT REQUIREMENTS.
AGAIN, SOME OF THIS HAS ALREADY OCCURRED WITH THE EXISTING OPERATIONS AROUND THE SITE.
SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY INCORPORATING THIS, THESE PROPERTIES INTO THAT OPERATION.
SO IT'S SET FORTH IN SECTION 22 DASH 22 OF THE DENWOOD COUNTY CODE.
ANY PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER, WHICH ALLOW A USE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHALL NOT PROHIBIT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM DENYING AN APPLICATION FOR A PARTICULAR PERMIT.
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AFTER PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE ISSUANCE OF SUCH PERMIT WILL NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTENT, PURPOSE AND DESIGN OF THIS CHAPTER AND OR SECTION 22 DASH TWO OF THE CO COUNTY CODE PLANNING STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED CONDITIONING PERMIT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.UH, THOSE CONDITIONS ARE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF PURPORT INCLUDE A TOTAL OF 11 CONDITIONS.
THESE CONDITIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THAT WERE APPLIED TO THE SURROUNDING OPERATIONS.
THOSE CONDITIONS INCLUDE NUMBER ONE, THAT THE PROPERTY, THE USE IS LIMITED TO THE PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED IN THIS APPLICATION, WHICH ARE 86 DASH 41, 87 DASH EIGHT AND 87 17.
THE ACCESS TO THE OPERATION WOULD BE THROUGH AN EXISTING PARCEL, IS UTILIZED BY THE OTHER OPERATIONS, WHICH INCLUDES, WHICH IS TAX MAP 87 DASH 13.
MR. GIRL, IF YOU WOULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE JUST TO SHOW THE SURROUNDING OPERATIONS.
SO ON THE SCREEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND THEN THE ADJACENT, UH, MINING OPERATIONS ARE IN OTHER COLORS.
THE LIGHT BLUE IS THE REQUEST THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2012.
THE RED IS THE REQUEST, EXCUSE ME, THE ORANGE IS THE REQUEST THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2016 AND THE RED OR LIGHT RED IS THE REQUEST THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2020.
JUST THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE, UH, PROXIMITY OF THE OPERATION TO THE SURROUNDING PARCELS AND THE SURROUNDING OPERATION.
CONDITION NUMBER TWO PERTAINS TO THE, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION.
AS MENTIONED IT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 7:00 AM TO 4:00 PM SATURDAY, 8:00 AM TO 2:00 PM AND THERE IS A PROVISION FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS IF NEEDED.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER THREE, UM, SPECIFIES A MAXIMUM DEPTH OF THE MINING PITS.
AS I MENTIONED THAT WAS 14 FEET.
CONDITION NUMBER FOUR RESTRICTS, UH, CRUSHING OF SAND, GRAVEL, OR STONE CONDITION.
NUMBER FIVE, RESTRICTS BLASTING ON THE SITE.
UH, UTILIZING AN EXCAVATOR IS REQUIRED.
NUMBER SIX RESTRICTS PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE MINING SITES.
NUMBER SEVEN REQUIRES, UH, WHEN A, WHEN A MINING SITE IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE, UH, CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN REQUIRES AN EARTH AND BURN ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN THERE'S, UH, SPECIFIES THE HEIGHT AND WIDTH OF THAT BURN.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT, UM, REFERS TO, UH, REGARDS THE, UH, HAULING OPERATIONS AND RESTRICTION OF MAXIMUM OF 50 TRUCKLOADS OF MINE MATERIAL.
AND THAT HAS TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN CONDITION NUMBER TWO.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER NINE RE REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO OBTAIN ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL PERMITS.
AND THOSE PERMITS HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED IN GOOD STANDING BY THE OWNER OPERATOR AND STAFF NOTES.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY PREVIOUS ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE EXISTING OPERATIONS.
AND THEN CONDITION NUMBER 10 REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO, UM, ALL OPERATIONS PURSUANT TO THE CONDITION USE PERMIT HAVE TO BE CONDUCTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAWS.
AND THEN THE LAST CONDITION NUMBER 11, UH, REQUIRES THAT THE CONDITION USE PERMIT BE REVIEWED MINIMUM OF ONCE PER CALENDAR YEAR.
SO THIS IS GONNA CONCLUDE STAFF'S PRESENTATION OF THIS CONDITION.
I CAN ATTEMPT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT AND SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALSO PRESENT THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
WELL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, ALL OF THE UH, UH, CONDITIONS AND WHATNOT ARE IDENTICAL TO, UH, WHAT WE HAD BEFORE AND THE ONES WE HAD IN 2012 IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU READ OVER THE, UH, THE 50 TRUCKLOADS, IS THAT 50 INCLUDING WHAT'S ALREADY THERE OR 50 MORE? OR CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? BRAD? I, IF YOU, MR. ROBIN, IF YOU
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DON'T MIND, I CAN ADDRESS THAT JUST 'CAUSE I'VE DEALT WITH IT.UM, BEFORE THAT, THAT SAME QUESTION.
UM, EVEN, UH, JUST AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, UM, WE, THE INTERPRETATION WE'VE MADE, UM, SINCE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS APPROVED IN 2012, IS THAT, UM, EACH SEPARATE CONDITION OF THE USE PERMIT WAS, IS ALLOWED THE 50 TRIPS.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONES ARE STILL OPERATIONAL AND WHICH ONES AREN'T OPERATIONAL, BUT EACH SEPARATE MINING PERMIT IS ALLOWED THE 50 TRIPS.
SO NOW ARE WE UP TO 150 TRUCKLOAD TODAY? POTENTIALLY? YES.
WE'VE NEVER HAD, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS.
UM, VDOT HAS NEVER, UM, HAD TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES OUT THERE AS WELL.
SO, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE IT'S NEVER BEEN A, ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE NUMBER OF TRIPS ON TROUBLE FIELD ROAD.
QUESTIONS TO ANYBODY? DID APPLICANT WANNA COME UP AND HAVE SOMETHING HE NEEDS TO SAY? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.
TODD BRYANT, THE OWNER OF THE PIT.
AND THIS IS JEFF, THE MANAGER OF THE PIT.
ARE Y'ALL PAYING THE FINE FOR THE PHONE RINGING? SIR? ARE YOU PAYING THE FINE FOR THE PHONE RINGING
I'D BE GLAD TO TAKE THE HUNDRED
AND A LOT OF THAT SAND GOES TO VDOT FOR THE, UH, SNOW REMOVAL.
UM, SO WHEN MR. BASSETT WAS TALKING, AND YOU MENTIONED IT WAS INTERPRETED AS 50 PER, BUT UM, YOU DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYTHING WAS CLOSED.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, HAVE YOU, IF ARE ANY OF THESE PARCELS SHOWN IN THE VARIOUS COLORS UP THERE? THE, I'M CALLING IT THE ARMS, THE BLUE AND THE RED.
ARE ANY OF THOSE NOW COMPLETE OR DO YOU, I MEAN WERE THEY, WE ARE CLOSING OUT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT PARTIAL IT IS.
IT'S THE, UH, PIGMENT LAND, PIRI LAND.
WE ARE CLOSING THAT OUT AS WE SPEAK NOW.
YEAH, BECAUSE IF I, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOUR NORMAL BUSINESS IS YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU, YOU'VE EXHAUSTED THAT PARTICULAR SITE AND YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
THE, UM, THE MINING OPERATION GIVE US 10 TO 15 ACRES AT A TIME UNTIL WE RECLAIM THE LAST PIECE, WE WON'T.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A, A DISASTER BACK THERE
SO WE GOT TO RECLAIM IT TO GET ANOTHER PIECE FROM THE MINING.
AND PEOPLE, YOU SAID NO PUBLIC ACCESS.
HOW DID YOU STOP THE PUBLIC FROM GOING THERE? GATES.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP AND I SEE ON THE ORANGE, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY TOUCHES TROUBLE FIELD.
UH, YOU HAVE SOME ACTIVE MINING GOING ON THERE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
HAS THAT, HAS THE SIDE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE MOUNTING ON IT ALREADY BEEN MINED OUT OR IS THAT STILL GOOD FOR THE, THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S NOT IN, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY GOING TO DO WITH THE LAND 118 ACRES RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY DON'T, SOMEBODY HAD JUST PURCHASED THAT LAND AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR INTENT IS.
AND ON THE RED LAND, I SEE SOME HAS BEEN MINED IN ONE PORTION.
I MEAN IS HOW MUCH MORE DO, I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS OUTTA WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE LEFT BEFORE YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE? WE PROBABLY GOT APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 60 OR 70 ACRES LEFT.
WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW IS THE PIECE IN THE RED, IT IS A 17 ACRE PIECE
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UP THERE THAT SAM OWNS.AND IF, IF WE DON'T MIND THAT, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A LITTLE ISLAND OUT THERE THAT YOU HAVE TO GET A BOAT TO GET TO
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING FOR THAT ONE.
AND OUTTA WHAT YOU, YOU'RE ASKING FOR TODAY ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BE MINED? THE STATE IS HOLDING US FIVE FOOT OFF, 500 FOOT OFF OF THE ROAD.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING OUT OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WHICH I THINK IS, UH, WHAT IS IT, 80 ACRES? IT'S THREE THREE.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE, I'D SAY CLOSE TO, CLOSE TO 55 TO 60.
WHICH YOU FEEL LIKE WOULD MAYBE CARRY YOU THROUGH TO WHEN, HOW, HOW SOON DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK AGAIN AND ASK FOR MORE LAND TO BE CONDITIONED? NO, SIR.
TO SHANE'S OWN THE LAND AND RIGHT.
EVERYTHING THEY HAVE THAT THEY WANT THE MINE TO BE DONE, WE GUESS MAYBE 25 YEARS.
AND, AND THEN I GUESS, WHAT IS THE MINING COMPANY? WHAT KIND OF RESTRICTIONS DO THEY HAVE WHEN YOU GET, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A POWER LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.
IS IT NOT ON THE FAR LEFT YELLOW PIECE? YES, SIR.
YOU SEE THE LINE THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH, IS THAT POWER LINE? YES SIR.
I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE TO STAY A GOOD DISTANCE OFF OF THAT.
AND STONEY CREEK ITSELF? YEAH.
YOU GOTTA STAY OFF THE CREEK AS WELL.
WHERE IS THE, WHERE IS STONY CREEK ON THIS? IT IS TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTIES.
IT KIND OF RUNS BETWEEN THE BLUE AND THE RED AND THE YELLOW.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
AND THAT, THAT POWER LINE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IT ONLY FEEDS SAM'S UH, BARNS BACK THERE? THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL ON IT.
OH, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A HIGH POWER TRANSMISSION LINE.
WE AIN'T, WE AIN'T NOWHERE NEAR THAT
YEAH, I MEAN YOU'VE GOT TWO PIECES THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THAT THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH IT.
THAT'S LIKE THE LITTLE PIECE IN THE BACK.
I MEAN, IT ALREADY LOOKS LIKE A THIRD OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS NOTHING BUT POWER LINE TO BEGIN WITH.
YEAH, THAT'S THE PIECE OF GOES BACK THERE SOUNDS YEAH.
TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE BITTY PIECE ON, BUT YEAH.
YEAH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL MAKE US STAY OFF OF THAT.
WE'LL STAY OFF OF THAT FAR ENOUGH THAT WE, 'CAUSE THEY OWN THE EASEMENT BACK THERE.
WE WOULDN'T GO ONTO THAT EASEMENT.
SO I FOLLOW UP, UM, YOU SAID YOU HAD TO STAY OFF 500 FEET OFF THE ROAD.
WHAT STATE AGENCY SAID THAT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
WAS THAT MINES AND MINERALS? PAUL PAUL FROM YEAH.
YEAH, THEY KEEP US 500 FOOT OFF THE ROAD.
I GOT OVER THE, OVER THE FINE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS? YOU GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING? OH YES.
THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT TIME IS PROVIDED FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE THEIR VIEWS HEARD YOUR COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME.
YOUR COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME MUST BE COMPLIED TO THE MATTER IN THE CASE THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
AND THEY SHOULD BE NOT BE PRIMITIVE OR REPETITIVE.
YOU ARE ASKED TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WITH THE CORN.
LOUD, DISRUPTIVE, AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHALL BE AVOIDED.
ALSO, AVOID WORDS THAT ACT OR 10 OR EVOKE VIOLENCE OR TO DEEM TO BE A BREACH OF THE PEACE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS TIME IS NOT INTENDED TO BE QUESTIONED AND ANSWERED SUPERIOR OR A TIME FOR A DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OR STAFF.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, MR. CHAIR.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS ON ENTERTAIN A MOTION,
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I WILL READ IT.BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6 A SEVEN.
IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR THE, FOR THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED AND TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE, I MOVE THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST C DASH 23 DASH FIVE AS PRESENTED FOR AN OPEN PIT, SAND AND GRAVEL MOUNTING OPERATION.
BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MR. CHAIR, I CAN VERIFY, UH, THEY HAD THREE OPTIONS.
I ASKED WOULD THAT BE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS? I'LL ACCEPT THAT.
LET'S, LET'S GO WITH APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
YEAH, I'LL ACCEPT THAT CONDITIONS YOU PAY YOUR FINE.
C DASH 23 DASH FIVE HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ALRIGHT, ALVIN, CAN YOU FIX MY SCREEN PLEASE? OKAY.
[7.B. CASE P-23-7]
P DASH 23 DASH SEVEN.UH, THE CASE WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT, P DASH 23 DASH SEVEN.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS RIVER RLLC AND THE AGENT, VALENCIA JONES, MS. JONES IS HERE THIS EVENING, UH, ACTING AS THE AGENT FOR THIS REQUEST.
UH, THE RE REQUEST FOR THE REZONING, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, PROPERTY, THE APPROXIMATELY EIGHT ACRES IS CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
CONS, CONSERVATIVE RR AND, UM, RIVER RLLC IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO R ONE, UM, WHICH ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AT A LOT SIZE OF 1.1 AND A HALF ACRES, UM, WITH A MINIMUM ROAD FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT OF 100 FEET.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, LOOKING AT OUR LOCATION MAP OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF RIVER ROAD.
UM, IT'S FOUNDED ON THE NORTH AND EAST EASTERN SIDES BY, UH, THE CLAY ESTATES SUBDIVISION, UH, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED UM, IN TWO PARTS IN 1973.
UM, THE LOTS ALONG RIVER ROAD WERE CREATED AND THEN THE, UM, LARGER PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISION WAS CREATED BACK IN 1977.
UM, THE LOTS ACROSS RIVER ROAD, UM, THAT PORTION OF THE, UH, PROPERTY, UH, OF THE PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY IS OWNED A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL.
AND THEN I DIDN'T STATE THAT THE CLAY ESTATE SUBDIVISION THAT PORT ALL OF THAT PROPERTY THAT'S PART OF THE SUBDIVISION IS OWNED, UH, RESIDENTIAL R ONE, UM, WHICH IS THE SAME CLASSIFICATION THAT THE
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APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS EVENING.UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LOT SIZES VARY IN THE CLAY ESTATE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE LOT SIZES RANGE FROM A HALF AN ACRE UP TO, UM, ONE AND A HALF ACRES.
AND, UM, IN THE GENERAL AREA, THE LOT SIZES RANGE FROM UH, THREE ACRES DOWN TO A HALF AN ACRE.
UM, THE ENTIRE AREA, THERE IS NO, UM, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER AVAILABLE.
ALL LOTS ARE ON, UH, WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. MM-HMM
UH, LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OF COURSE WE'RE UNDER THE NEW NEWLY ADOPTED 2043 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THIS AREA, UM, AS WAS THE CASE, UH, IN OUR PREVIOUS PLAN AS WITHIN THE PHASED GROWTH AREA, UH, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR PHYSICAL TRANSITION BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREAS.
FURTHER, THE PHASED GROWTH AREAS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS I INDICATED, UH, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN THIS AREA.
THEREFORE, UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, UNDER THE, IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN, UM, IS ALLOWED TO UTILIZE INDIVIDUAL WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. UM, LOOKING AT THE COMP COMPOSITION AND PURPOSE STATEMENT, UH, FOR OUR R ONE ZONING DISTRICT, UH, THE, I'LL JUST READ THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THAT.
UH, STATES THAT RESIDENTIAL LIMITED DISTRICT R ONE IS COMPOSED OF CERTAIN QUIET LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS PLUS CERTAIN OPEN AREAS WHERE SIMILAR RESIDE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT APPEARS LIKELY TO OCCUR.
UM, IT STAFF'S OPINION, UH, THAT THE PROS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PURPOSE STATEMENT OF THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE LAND USE CHAPTER, UH, PORTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN OUR NEW NEWLY ADOPTED STRATEGIES FOR STRATEGIC GROWTH AND SMART LAND USE.
UH, NUMBER SIX, SPECIFICALLY, UH, STATES THAT INCLUDES DIRECT NEW DEVELOPMENT TO AREAS PLANNED FOR FUTURE GROWTH.
AND WE BELIEVE THIS REZONING ALLOWS FOR FUTURE GROWTH IN AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION CLAY ESTATES, AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS WITH SIMILAR LOT SIZES.
UM, WHEN WE BROUGHT THE REZONING REQUEST, UH, FOR REVIEW BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UM, AGAIN, IT WAS INDICATED THAT ALL, UH, THE, UH, WATER AND SEWER WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED ON EACH LOT WITH INDIVIDUAL WELLS AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. AND, UM, STAFF ESTIMATES THAT THE PROPOSED, UH, PROBABLY COULD GET MAYBE FIVE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, UM, WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY USING, UTILIZING THE, UM, RATIO THAT WE USE.
UM, APPROXIMATELY TWO STUDENTS, UM, FROM UH, DEVELOPING APPROXIMATELY FIVE LOTS.
UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY GET INTO DEVELOPMENT, UM, THEY MAY GET FEWER THAN THAT.
UM, IT JUST, THAT'LL HAVE TO BE DETERMINED.
UM, PUBLIC SAFETY DIDN'T INDICATE, UM, ANY ISSUES WITH REZONING THE PROPERTY.
UM, VDOT, UM, THEIR INITIAL REVIEW INDICATED THAT, UH, THE CHIP GENERATION FOR THE PROPOSED FIVE LOTS, UH, WOULD BE, UH, 50 VEHICLES PER DAY.
AND THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT, UH, FOR THIS PORTION OF RIVER ROAD IS 1,400 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS, UH, PER DAY.
UM, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED AND HOW THE ENTRANCES ARE DEVELOPED, UM, IF THEY HAD THREE TO FIVE LOTS, UM, UTILIZING ONE ENTRANCE, UM, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A LOW VOLUME COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE.
UM, OTHERWISE IF THEY TWO LOTS SHARED AN ENTRANCE, UM, THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO HAVE THEIR, UM, NORMAL ENTRANCE, UH, FOR, FOR UH, FOUR LOTS DEVELOPED, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ALONG, UH, VDOT ROAD.
UM, LASTLY, JUST WANTED TO INDICATE THAT, UM, VDOT DID NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS.
UH, WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING.
UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUEST GIVEN THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED IS COMPATIBLE WITH
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THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES.UH, TWO, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FITS WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED USE CONFORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED IN THE PHASE GROWTH AREA AND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS GENERAL AREA.
UM, THAT'S OUR STAFF REPORT, UH, THIS EVENING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, RELATED TO THE REPORT? UM, IF NOT, AGAIN, MS. JONES IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT.
ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE COURSE SIR.
SIR, JUST SO THAT I KNOW YOU SAID IF THEY USE A SIR DRIVEWAY THEN THEY CAN ONLY POSSIBLY HAVE FOUR LOTS.
IS THAT WHAT, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECT? UH, NO, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF LOTS THEY HAVE UTILIZING, UH, AN ACCESS POINT UHHUH
UM, IF THEY JUST HAVE TWO OR ONE LOT UTILIZING ONE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE, THEN THEY HAVE TO PUT IN, IT'S A LESSER STANDARD FOR THAT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE.
I HAVE HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THAT TOO.
MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT IS THAT IF YOU END UP WITH A TOTAL OF FOUR LOTS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE UM, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE TOTAL FIVE ONE PLUS THE NEW FOUR, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
FIVE TIMES, ONE AND A HALF POTENTIALLY THAT RIGHT.
IF THEY CAN MAKE IT ALL WORK, THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.
SO IF THEY HAD FOUR, YOU WOULD'VE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE TWO TO FOUR ENTRANCES DEPENDING ON WHETHER THEY WERE SHARED OR NOT.
AND, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I JUST DON'T LIKE SHARED ENTRANCES.
THEY, THEY'RE GREAT WHEN YOU AND I CAN SHARE AN ENTRANCE, BUT WHEN WE SELL OUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT NOT LIKE THEM, BUT I'M SURPRISED ACTUALLY IF IT IS.
SO VDO IS RECOMMENDING A POTENTIAL FOR ONE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S PRACTICAL.
NO, I THAT, UM, THE WAY I PRESENTED THAT IN THE REPORT, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR, THEIR ACTUAL LETTER THAT THEY SENT THEIR REVIEW LETTER ON THE PROPOSED REZONING, UM, THEY JUST LAID OUT THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, UM, WITHIN THEIR REPORT, WHAT TYPE OF ENTRANCE WILL BE REQUIRED DEPENDING HOW THE ENTRANCES WERE DEVELOPED ON ALONG RIVER ROAD.
SO THAT IS CONFUSING THE WAY I'VE PRESENTED IN THE REPORT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A MAP FOR THIS TO SHOW HOW THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THE LIGHTS IN.
I ASSUME THOUGH, THAT INDEPENDENCE COULD COME ALL THE WAY OUT TO RIVER ROAD BECAUSE THERE IS A, A EASEMENT MADE FOR INDEPENDENCE TO COME ALL THE WAY OUT.
WOULD THAT CHANGE ANY OF THE WAY THE LOTS SET UPS WOULD BE IN HOW MANY LOTS WOULD THEN BE AVAILABLE? SEE THAT I, I'M HEARING FIVE, MAYBE SIX NOW ALTOGETHER.
BUT YOU COULD TAKE THAT PIECE OF SPACE AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE AREA BEHIND IT AND FIT A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THAT IN THERE, IF THEY DECIDE TO PUT INDEPENDENCE ALL THE WAY OUT AND THEN POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING WITH A CUL-DE-SAC, UM, IN BEHIND THE EXISTING CLAY ESTATES LOTS OR NO? WE, WHEN WHEN I, ALRIGHT.
IF YOU LOOK AT INDEPENDENCE COMING DOWN TO HOPE YES.
WHERE THAT INTERSECTION IS, RIGHT? YES.
YOU CAN SEE THE EASEMENT CONTINUE ON TO TOUCH THAT LOT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THEY COULD CARRY INDEPENDENCE ALL THE WAY OUT TO RIVER ROAD RIGHT.
AND MAKE A SECOND ENTRANCE FOR PLAY ESTATES.
THEY COULD ALSO PUT IN A ROAD TO THE LEFT BEHIND THOSE LOTS AND MAKE A CUL-DE-SAC OR SOMETHING.
THERE'S SOME CREATIVE WAYS THAT LOTS COULD BE MADE ON THIS THAT I DON'T LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY COMES WITHOUT A PLAN IN FRONT OF US TO SHOW WHAT THEIR INTENT IS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? UM, ARE YOU SAYING THEY COULD EXTEND UH, ALRIGHT, YOU COULD EXTEND INDEPENDENCE ALL THE WAY YEP.
JUST GO STRAIGHT DOWN THEN THE LOTS ON HOPE THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP GO OFF TO THE LEFT, YOU COULD COME RIGHT BEHIND THOSE LOTS AND, AND BRING A STREET, I DON'T KNOW, BEHIND LOT 19 C ONE B TWO 19 C ONE B ONE AND MAKE MAYBE A LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END AND PEOPLE COULD GO
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BACK OUT TO INDEPENDENCE AND COME DOWN THE RIVER ROAD AND IT COULD BREAK UP THE LOTS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU, WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING IN OUR MIND, WHICH ARE NOTHING BUT STRAIGHT LOTS THAT RUN STRAIGHT TO RIVER ROAD AND DUMP ON THE RIVER ROAD.AND I, I I GUESS IS VALENCIA JONES RIVER ROAD LLC? OR IS SHE JUST REPRESENTING RIVER RIVER ROAD? LLCI DON'T KNOW WHO RIVER ROAD LLC IS.
SHE SHE IS, UH, HER PERCENTAGE OWNER.
THERE'S THREE OWNERS AND SHE IS ONE OF THE ONE OF THE OWNERS IN THE LLC.
DID THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CLAY ESTATES? NO.
SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO BRING INDEPENDENTS THROUGH THERE, I GUESS.
UM, THEY POTENTIALLY THEY COULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE THAT RIGHT OF WAY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT THEY DON'T OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY CURRENTLY.
SO I, I I THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING TOO AND I WAS GONNA SAVE THAT FOR THE APPLICANT BECAUSE MY QUE I DO HAVE A, I GUESS I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR YOU JUST TO BE SURE.
SO WHEN I READ IT AND I SAW THE TOTAL OF FOUR NEW LOSS, FOUR NEW LOSS, TOTAL OF FIVE, THEN THE FOLLOW UP I GUESS TO YOU IS THAT USING THIS ZONING REZONING, THEY COULD HAVE MORE THAN THOSE NUMBER OF LOTS IF THEY WANTED TO CHOOSE A METHODOLOGY SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. TIMMA SAYS HAS, UH, BROUGHT UP.
I, I GUESS I MAY BE MISSING SOMETHING, BUT SINCE THEY'RE ON WELL AND SEPTIC, THE LOT, THE LOT SIZES HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, AN ONE ACRE AND A HALF AND OH, OKAY.
I GUESS SO I I DON'T SEE HOW THEY COULD DO ANY OF THOSE.
IS NOT CLAY ESTATES THE WHOLE PLACE ON WELL, IN SEPTIC YES IT IS.
THEY, AS I SAID, INDICATED THE, THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN 1973 AND 77 AND WE HAD DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS BACK THEN.
THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY THAT'S BEFORE YOU GO INSIDE
SO THEY HAVE TO UNDER OUR CURRENT TO ADHERE TO THE 1.1 ACRES.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED ONE AND A HALF ACRE.
IT SORT OF MAKES THAT MOOT IF ALL YOU CAN GET IS FOUR LOTS OUT OF IT, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO RIGHT.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND I'M NOT, I, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME, BUT RIGHT.
AND I I I JUST THOUGHT THE WAY WE ARE THINKING THAT RIGHT.
ALL YOU COULD DO, BUT IF YOU DID SOMETHING YOU COULD GO DOWN TO HALF ACRE LOTS IF THEY COULD STILL GET A WELL IN SEPTIC ON IT.
AND I, I SHOULD HAVE MADE THAT POINT CLEAR.
THEY, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I GUESS THAT'S WHY I WAS YEAH.
WHY COULDN'T THEY DO THE SAME THING? RIGHT.
THEY EXTENDED THE STREET AND DID SOME CREATIVE, IT IS INCONSISTENT 'CAUSE YOU GOT ALL THAT AROUND YOU TO WORK THERE FOR 50 YEARS AND NOBODY HAD A WELL PROBLEM.
RIGHT? YEAH, THEY WERE, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP IT THAT WAY IN THE SEVENTIES.
NOW THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DEVELOP IT THAT WAY.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NO, THAT'S OKAY.
THIS IS ALL A LEARNING PROCESS.
ANY CLARIFICATION? EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY WE LEARNING MAN.
SO JUST SO I GOT ONE LAST THING.
IF THEY DECIDE LATER ON THEY DO WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY GOTTA COME BACK AND ASK, AM I CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT THEY'RE REALLY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.
ANY DIFFERENT UNLESS THE COUNTY WERE TO CHANGE OUR STANDARDS FOR MINIMUM LOT SIZES.
IF YOU'RE ON WELL AND SEPTIC AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CHANGE, SOME OF THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS CALL FOR THAT.
MR. APPLICANT HAVE SOMETHING SHE NEEDS TO SAY? NO, SIR.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T BITE FOR ONE LEG AT A TIME.
I'M VALENCIA JONES AND I'M PART OF THE OWNERSHIP OF 2008 RIVER.
UM, RLLC EXCUSE ME JUST A SECOND.
CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? UM, MY PHYSICAL ADDRESS YES.
IS 4 1 1 2 RALPH ROAD AND THAT'S SOUTH CHESTERFIELD, VIRGINIA, 2 3 8 0 3.
AND, UM, THIS IS THE OTHER OWNER, BERNARD JONES, THAT, UM, IS PART OF THE RIVER LLC.
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QUESTIONS? OKAY.ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. JONES? I DON'T HAVE NO, NOTHING.
NOBODY, WE, WE ALL ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
I GET HOW MANY, HOW MANY HOUSES WILL YOU PLAN TO PUT ON THERE? UM, WELL PER MY REQUIREMENTS I CAN ONLY DO FOUR TO FIVE.
AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU
I WAS CHEERING BACK HERE LIKE YES, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, FOUR TO FIVE, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN APPROVED TO DO WITH THE, UM, ACRE AND A HALF.
SO YES, THE PEOPLE THAT DO BUY THE PROPERTY WILL HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO OWN AN ACRE AND A HALF OF LAND.
UM, WHAT WE ARE GEARING TOWARDS IS BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR THOSE UNDER LIKE $200,000 MM-HMM
SO THAT THEY CAN REALIZE HOME OWNERSHIP BEFORE 15 TO 30 YEARS.
SO THE GOAL IS FOR THE GEN GEN XES, THOSE THAT ARE WORKING AROUND, LIKE THAT WILL BE MAYBE AT THE AUDI OR AT THE WALMART, WHICH IS WHERE MY SON IS, UM, AT THE, UM, UM, THE OTHER ONE THAT'S OUT HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS THAT THEY CAN OWN, OWN A HOME AND IT NOT BE PRICED TOO MUCH THAT THEY CAN'T REALIZE HOME OWNERSHIP.
UM, SO THEY WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, ENORMOUS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT THAT'LL BE LIKE TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHS THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL BE STARTER HOMES.
BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, FOR EIGHT AND A HALF A LAND FOR, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT GRADUATE FROM RICHARD BLAND OR VIRGINIA STATE, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I'LL GET A CHANCE TO FIND HOW TO CUT GRASS TOO
SO YES, IF HE CAN MAKE MORE AT SOME POINT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
BUT FOR NOW, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
SO WE'LL DO THE MODELS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING ELSE OPENS UP IN THE AREA, THEN WE CAN PURCHASE MORE LAND.
SO EACH HOME WILL HAVE ITS OWN PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
UM, WELL, BASED ON WHAT VDOT SAID, WE ARE GONNA HAVE, WELL THE WAY THAT I WAS ENVISIONING IT IS COMING OFF A RIVER, IT WOULD JUST GO STRAIGHT INTO WHAT YOU WOULD PERCEIVE AS A CUL-DE-SAC.
SO IT KINDA WOULD BE AROUND THIS WAY.
SO THEN THE INLETS FOR EACH, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY WOULD GO OFF FROM ONE MAIN ROAD.
OH, SO YOU HAVE ONE ENTRANCE AND IT WOULD BRANCH OFF IDEALLY.
AND THEN IT WOULD BRANCH OFF INTO EACH INDIVIDUAL DOOR, YOU KNOW, TO EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON'S HOME.
NOW MY, MY, MY FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS WHO'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT ENTRANCE? IS THAT RESPONSIBILITY OF, OF THE LLC? YEAH.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE THAT 'CAUSE WE'LL HAVE SOME OTHER, UM, AREAS THAT ARE AROUND THAT WE'LL BE MAINTAINING AS COMMON GROUND.
SO YES, WE'LL BE MAKING CERTAIN THAT IT'S CLEAR FOR SNOW, CLEAR FOR TRASH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE CUL-DE-SAC OR IF BEEN IN COMMUNITY, IF YOU WILL.
I, THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT UM, WE WERE DISCUSSING HERE TONIGHT WAS THE ENTRANCES.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE SHARED THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
HE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SHARED INTEREST WOULD BE OKAY WITH US.
BUT IF HE SELLS AND A NEW GUY COMES IN AND HAS TO SHARE THE ENTRANCE AND SAY WE HAVE A BEDWIN AND I'M NOT GONNA PUT NO GRAVEL IN IT.
OH NO, WE'LL HAVE THAT COMMON AREA ZONE.
IT'LL BE PAVED AND SMOOTH FOR EVERYONE THAT THAT'S TO ACCESS.
I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT THEN I GUESS, SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS INITIALLY, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS THAT IT WAS A GREAT PLACE TO KIND OF FILL IN THE GAP, YOU MIGHT SAY.
AND I, I NOTICED THAT THE OTHER LOTS ALONG RIVER ROAD HAD A SINGLE ENTRANCE.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT ABOUT THE INDEPENDENCE THING, BUT I FIGURED, UM, CORRECTLY, IF I ASSUMED CORRECTLY IN THIS CASE FOR ONCE, THAT WHAT MARK YOU SAID WAS, IT WAS NO WAY TO GO BELOW, BELOW AN ACRE AND A HALF BECAUSE OF THE REASON YOU STATED SO.
BUT NOW WHEN YOU BRING BACK UP THE ENTRANCE, IT ALMOST GETS BACK TO, UM, IF THIS WAS A BIG SUBDIVISION, LIKE A CASE WE HAD RECENTLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION IN THAT MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, SOMETHING IN THERE THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT COMMON AREAS AND ENTRANCES AND THINGS LIKE THIS.
I DIDN'T BRING THAT UP INITIALLY BECAUSE AGAIN, I HAD ASSUMED IT WOULD BE FOUR SEPARATE IN ENTRANCES IN THIS.
AND I'M ASSUMING THE OTHER, THE OTHER PROPERTY ISN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION EITHER.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU COULD JOIN TO, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, BUT WHEN YOU START SAYING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE,
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YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR HOW THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE IN PERPETUITY? UM, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS GONNA HAVE TO ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO.
DO WE HAVE TO GET IT APPROVED OR CAN WE JUST HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A LITTLE RULE BOOK AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE THAT AREA BACK THERE.
BUT YES, UM, PREMATURELY SPEAKING, IT WOULD BE JUST BASED ON THE GUIDELINES THAT VDOT PROVIDED.
UM, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE COULD HAVE MADE A DIRECT ACCESS FROM THE ROAD TO EACH PROPERTY, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT WE'RE ALREADY LIMITED TO DO.
NOW OBVIOUSLY IF WE ARE APPROVED TO DO MORE, THEN WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE IN TERMS OF DESIGN, BUT FOR NOW WE WERE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
WELL, AND AND ONE OTHER POINT I GUESS TO MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE PLACE ON NASH ROAD THAT CAME UP SEVERAL MONTHS AGO IS NOT HAVING A PLAN MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, AND UM, THAT WAS ONE OF MY PERSONAL CRITICISMS OF THAT.
I DID NOT INITIALLY HAVE THAT CRITICISM HERE.
'CAUSE AGAIN, I WAS ASSUMING FOUR ENTRANCES, BUT I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I'M LOOKING TO, UH, MAYBE MR. DREWRY MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE, BUT IN TERMS OF, UH, ESTABLISHMENT OF A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, SHOULDN'T THAT BE AT THE STAGE OF REZONING IF, UM, A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, AND THIS IS TO BE LEGALLY BINDING ON ALL THE PROPERTY, THEY CAN DO IT AND RECORD IT AND START IT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY NEED TO DO IT BEFORE THEY SELL ANY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
I'M JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT FACT TAKES PLACE.
AND SO, SO THAT'S THE LEGAL THING.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE GOTTA, YOU GOTTA FORM THE HOA AND THEY CAN, YOU CAN DO IT NOW, IN OTHER WORDS, IN THE, AND RECORD IT AND PUT IT ON THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WHAT YOU ARE PROBABLY REFERRING TO IS THAT IF WE WANT TO REQUIRE IT, UM, FROM THE COUNTY LEVEL, WE HAVE TO HAVE PROS THAT STATE THAT.
WELL THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I'M GOING BECAUSE, UM, I THINK, I GUESS FROM MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE IS I, I LIKE THE IDEA YOU'RE DOING, I THINK IT'S PERFECT FOR THE AREA, ALL THAT, BUT I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT IT DOWN THE ROAD, MUCH LIKE THE EXAMPLE THAT WE HAD TOGETHER.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THOSE FIVE FOLKS ARE GONNA BE 50 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T SEE IT BEING LARGE ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, WARRANT A SWIMMING POOL OR SOME OTHER GREAT AMENITY.
BUT THE ENTRANCE IS SOMETHING, THE WAY YOU PROPOSED IT, I, YOU KNOW, I WORRY ABOUT THAT FOR LIKE DOWN THE ROAD, HOW YOU HANDLE POST OFFICE, HOW YOU HANDLE BUSES, HOW YOU HANDLE JUST INTERACTION BETWEEN FUTURE LANDOWNERS, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I'M JUST, I'M ASKING, I GUESS MY, I'LL REPHRASE, REFRAME.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DO YOU, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT THAT IT'S BETTER FOR US TO, UH, CONSIDER THAT AS A, UM, AS A PROPER OR NOT? IF, AND AND I PROBABLY WOULDN'T LISTEN TO NATURAL QUESTION, BUT TO THE DETAIL, UM, HERE, IF THERE'S GONNA BE COMMON AREAS THAT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED BY AN HOA, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN DO THAT PRO VOLUNTARILY RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD'VE TO BE VOLUNTARY.
IF, IF FOR SOME REASON YOU WANTED AN HOA YOU UNDERST STEMI, YES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE.
IF IT WAS GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT, IT WOULD'VE TO BE DONE THROUGH PROFIT.
A PROFIT, A SIMPLE PROFIT STATEMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
AND WHAT I GUESS I'M MISSING IS INM, YOU WEIGH IN ON THIS MM-HMM
IF A SINGLE ENTRANCE WOULD COME IN, WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD OWN THAT ROAD? UM, TYPICALLY THE WAY SHE'S DESCRIBED IT, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE EASEMENTS ACROSS PROPERTY LINES TO ALLOW INGRESS AND EGRESS ACROSS THOSE PROPERTY LINES.
IT WOULD, THERE WOULDN'T BE AN ACTUAL SUBDIVISION STREET.
SO VDOT, WHENEVER YOU HAVE THREE OR MORE PEOPLE UTILIZING THE SAME ENTRANCE, VDOT AND THEIR REGS ACTUALLY REQUIRES A, UH, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, UM, BETWEEN ALL THE LOTS THAT ARE UTILIZING THAT COMMON ENTRANCE.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S BEYOND, BEYOND DOING ANYTHING ELSE, UM, THE VDOT REQUIREMENT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IF THEY HAD A COMMON ENTRANCE, UM, WITH THREE OR MORE PEOPLE UTILIZING THAT, UM, IN MY OPINION, THEY WOULDN'T NEED A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION TO WORRY ABOUT MAINTAINING THAT ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT'S REQUIRED BY VOT.
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MS. JONES, AS SHE'S INDICATED, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THEIR FIRST PROJECT THAT THEY'VE WORKED ON, UM, DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY, IN MY OPINION, WITH THE WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS, UM, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT MAY BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ALLOW FOR COMMON AREA FOR ALL THE LOTS TO USE BASED ON THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LOT WITH THE AMOUNT OF ROAD FRONTAGE AND VERY LITTLE DEPTH TO THE OVERALL PARCEL EXISTING EIGHT ACRES.SO TO BE ABLE TO GET, GET THE LOTS THAT THEY WANT, AND THEN TO ALSO ALLOW FOR COMMON AREA, UM, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA WANT THE WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEM TO BE ON THE LOT WITH THE HOME.
UM, HOPEFULLY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A WELL EASEMENT OR A SEPTIC EASEMENT GOING ON TO ONE OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
SO IN MY OPINION, IT, YOU KIND OF HIT ON THAT MR. HAYES, WITH THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE LIMITED AREA THAT THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP.
IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS MS. JONES WOULD LIKE TO DO ON THIS PARCEL ANYWAY.
MAYBE IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE THAT THEY COULD DEVELOP, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT GIVEN THE EIGHT ACRES AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS, VDOT HAS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO ALLOW FOR COMMON AREA WITHIN THE PROPERTY, UM, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO WE WEREN'T REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, GIVEN THAT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF AMENITIES SUCH AS A OPEN SPACE AREA, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF HAVING TO DEVELOP THE LOTS THEMSELVES.
SO, BUT AS FAR AS JUST THE ENTRANCE, THAT TYPE OF THING, IF THEY DO WANT TO HAVE A, A COMMON ENTRANCE, VDO T'S GONNA REQUIRE THAT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT ALL LOTS WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY TO SHARE IN THE MAINTENANCE OF THE, NOT OF THE OVERALL DRIVEWAY, BUT OF THE, THE ENTRANCE PORTION THAT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND OF COURSE THEY COULD EXPAND IT TO INCLUDE, UM, THE EASEMENTS TO GET TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES.
BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE LOW VOLUME COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE, I THINK.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S TIED TO THIS.
SO, SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND, I, I LIKE YOUR IDEA ABOUT HAVING A SINGLE ENTRANCE AND DOING THAT.
AND LIKE MR. BASSETT SAID, I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU WERE IN A MUCH BIGGER PROPERTY THAT HAD A DEEP, A MUCH DEEPER MAN, THAT'D BE AWESOME.
BUT GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE, I, I THINK, AND, AND THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND THE WELL RESTRICTION AND THE, UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RESTRICTION, YOU'RE BETTER OFF JUST TO HAVE FIVE SEPARATE ENTRANCES.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS GOTTEN ADJACENT TO YOU AND ACROSS THE STREET.
I MEAN, I I'M THINKING THAT THAT MAY BE THE CASE WITH THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANT THOSE DRIVEWAYS TO CROSS.
UH, SEPTIC LINES ARE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WELL, THAT KIND OF THING.
IT, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO HAVE ONE COMMON ENTRANCE, MR. TUCK.
I DON'T, I MEAN, IT'S, I KNOW I DON'T LIKE PROPAGATING THAT.
I MEAN, BUT IT'S ALREADY THERE.
BUT, UM, I, I GUESS MY POINT IS, I, I, I STAND, I RETRACT MY THOUGHT ABOUT AN HOA GIVEN WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE, UH, MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE THAT KIND OF, THAT KIND OF ACCOMPLISHES THE, THIS DEFACTO ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME THING AND, AND BASED ON, I MEAN, THIS IS YOUR FIRST ONE.
WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU GET THIS ONE RIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU GET THIS ONE RIGHT.
THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE OUR PRIDE AND JOY.
BUT, UM, I, I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE.
UH, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, MY OPPOSITION IS YOU GOT ALL OF THIS, EVERYTHING DUMPING ON THE RIVER ROAD AND UH, WE HAD THE PROBLEM OLDS ROAD, YOU REMEMBER WE PUT, YOU GOT PUT IT OUT THERE AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU GOT BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, 15 LOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
NOW THEY ALL WANT TO COME OUT ON THE EMPTY INTO IT.
BUT I, I, I, BASED ON THE, THE DEPTH YOU'VE GOT OF YOUR PROPERTY, YOU PROBABLY JUST SORT OF JUST GO AHEAD AND LET 'EM PUT THE DRIVEWAY OUT THERE IF THEY GET THEIR CAR HIT THAT'S ON THERE.
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YES SIR.YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING SIR? COME ON.
COME ON UP HERE AND SAY SOMETHING.
NO, YOU, MY NAME IS, UH, BERNARD JONES.
SO, UM, YOU WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE E TO GO INTO THE DRIVEWAY.
WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THE HOUSES, THEY PUT A DRIVEWAY DOWN AND THEN YOU GOT SECTION OF THE HOUSES GOING WHERE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE WATER SUB TANK GOES.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY, THEY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN DRIVEWAY, BUT THEY'LL CLEAR, THE VDO WOULD CLEAR THE ROAD TO GO INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
LIKE, LIKE, SO, AND YOU HAD, THEY HAD THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S THE WAY THEY SEE MY PICTURE THAT, THAT YOU'RE DRAWING IN MY MIND,
AND EVERYBODY'S DRIVEWAY GOES TO THE CUL-DE-SAC OR THAT LITTLE ROAD, AND THEN THAT'S THE ENTRANCE THAT THEY USED TO GO ON TO, OR WILL V DOT NOT ACCEPT THE ROAD, BUT OF CERTAIN LENGTH AND YEAH, YOU JUST PRICED THEM OUT OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT?
WE'LL WORK ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU, YOU GOT SOMETHING FOR US TO SEE? NOT YET.
THEY, THEY SAID THE END OF THE WEEK WE WOULD HAVE IT, SO OH, I'M HOPING, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SPAN IT OVER AS SOON AS COME BACK AND SEE US NEXT WEEK.
NO, WE WON'T BE HERE NEXT WEEK,
BUT, UH, I, I APPLAUD YOU FOR DOING THE PROJECT.
I, I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING THE PROJECT AND UH, I'M SURE MR. BASSETT'S NOT GOING TO STEER YOU WRONG.
WELL, I WOULD CAUTION YOU ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, ACCEPTABLE TO THE STATE STANDARDS.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE WITH A, A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT LIKE MR. BASSETT WAS TALKING ABOUT, I THINK BY THE TIME YOU DRAW THAT UP AND WITH THE OTHER FACTORS OF CONSIDERATION REGARDING, UM, THE LOCK SIZE AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, ALL THAT, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL END UP WITH BEING ABLE TO DO FIVE LOCKS.
WELL, I, I GUESS I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS BY ANY MEANS.
I JUST, I GUESS I, I WAS HOPING YOU WERE COMING AND I WAS GONNA SEE A DRAWING OF THE LIGHTS.
THEY'RE WORKING ON IT
NOW MY SUGGESTION, AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET, BUT WOULD BE TO TABLE IT TILL NEXT MONTH AND THEN SHE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THE DRAWING BACK AND WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND WE CAN, AND MR. BASSETT CAN HELP STEER HER IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BY THE TIME WE COME BACK AND MEET AGAIN.
I MEAN, I, I JUST, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE A CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT I'M GONNA SEE.
IF YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE GONNA MAKE FIVE LOTS THAT LOOK LIKE THE FIVE OR SIX RIGHT NEXT TO IT ON THE OTHER SIDE, THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
I GUESS IT'S THE, THE VARYING IT AND US TRYING TO VISUALIZE IT, THAT'S, WELL, WE LIKE IT THE SIMPLEST WAY IS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS WHAT WE LIKE IT.
THAT'S WHERE I'M AT THE MOST SIMPLE WAY POSSIBLE IS WHAT WE ARE, WE'RE GEARING TOWARDS.
AND OBVIOUSLY I WAS JUST FOLLOWING WHAT VDOT SUGGESTED.
I HADN'T VEERED OFF INTO ANYTHING CREATIVE BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE THAT WE COULD EVEN CONSIDER INDEPENDENCE OR HOPE SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE OWNED, UM, AT THIS TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST GONNA EITHER DO FIVE ROADS STRAIGHT OFF A RIVER, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE.
THE ONLY THING IS WE JUST NEEDED TO SEE OUR SURVEY SO WE KNEW EXACTLY HOW FAR WE COULD GO.
SO THAT PART I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOME CLARITY ON OR SOME CLOSURE ON BEING ABLE TO KNOW WE CAN DO THOSE FIVE BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HELP US TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER OR SOLVE FOR X, IF YOU WILL, ON HOW MANY WE CAN DO.
WE NEEDED TO SEE IT ZONED IN THAT WAY SO THAT THE SURVEY CAN GIVE US WHERE THEY ARE.
SO IT'S KIND OF, WE NEED THE APPROVAL SO WE CAN GET THE PLAN SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO PRESENT BACK TO YOU.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ONE LOT
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AND WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A LITTLE ROAD THAT JUST GOES OFF TO THAT ONE.SO IF IN FACT WE COULD CUT OFF FROM THAT ONE, IT COULD START ONE.
AND THEN IF WE HAD TO CREATE ANOTHER ONE, THEN IT COULD DO THE SAME THING FOR TWO POTENTIALLY.
AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE JUST ONE ROAD IN.
'CAUSE THAT ONE IS GONNA JUST GO TO THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE COULD STILL HAVE ONE THAT'S GOING THAT WAY.
SO IS THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE GONNA STAY THERE? YES, THAT HOUSE IS GOING TO STAY THERE.
I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE IT SOME POINT IT, IF THAT HOUSE WOULD'VE BEEN DEMOLISHED AND THEN IT'S GONNA CHANGE NEW HOUSES.
IT'S GONNA CHANGE, BUT IT'S STAY THERE FOR NOW.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL GET THE OTHER ONES DONE AND CIRCLE BACK TO, UM, UPGRADING THAT PARTICULAR, UM, LOT AFTER THE OTHER ONES HAVE STARTED DEVELOPMENT.
SO YEAH, JUST TO KIND OF CREATE THAT IDEA OF THAT ROAD THAT'S THERE, THEN WE WOULD BE BUILDING FROM THAT ROAD.
AND THEN IF WE NEEDED TO CREATE ANOTHER IN THE MIDDLE, THEN WE COULD CREATE TWO OTHER ENTRANCES FROM THAT SECOND ROAD, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE SOME ACTIVITY ALL ON ONE ROAD.
JUST, JUST AS A REMINDER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE REZONING ITSELF, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A SUBDIVISION PLAT.
UM, WE KIND OF CONSIDER THIS WOULD CONSIDER A MINOR SUBDIVISION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT VERBIAGE IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CURRENTLY.
SO THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR WHAT WE, YOU ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT BEFORE A PLAT REVIEW AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL AND THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A SURVEY PLAT FOR THE SUBDIVISION BEFORE THEY'RE ABLE TO, UM, TAKE THAT PLAT AND RECORD IT IN THE COURTHOUSE AND THEN SELL LOTS.
BUT WE HAVE NO, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO NOTHING AT THAT POINT.
WE WOULD JUST BE LOOKING AT A SURVEY PLAT SAYING THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I PREFACE WHAT I SAID, BUT, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO REVIEW.
RIGHT? I MEAN, I KNOW IT, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA GET TO THAT POINT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THEIR FIRST DEVELOPMENT, SO, RIGHT.
AND I, UM, WE ALL KNOW THEY COME IN WITH A, A PROPOSED PICTURE OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND THEN IT CAN VARY BASED ON WHETHER YOU RUN INTO A PROBLEM WITH WETLAND.
OR ANY OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT VARY, BUT, RIGHT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS? I'VE DONE MY JOB.
DO I NEED TO READ THE STATEMENT AGAIN? YES.
NOT IF ANYBODY SIGNED, WOULDN'T READ IT.
WE DON'T GET TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, I, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO TAPE IT FOR A MONTH.
AND, AND HOPE SHE CAN COME BACK WITH A DRAWING, A PRELIMINARY DRAWING.
I MEAN, YOU DID SAY THEY WERE COMING BACK THIS WEEK WITH THAT FOR YOU, CORRECT? YES.
WE JUST NEED TO GET CLARITY ON WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY PLACE THE RIGHT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS, I DUNNO IF ONE HOLDS UP THE OTHER, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING.
I'M NOT SURE MS. WHAT I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MS. JONES IS SAYING THAT WHOEVER SHE'S WORKING WITH ON, UM, LAYING OUT LOTS ON THE PROPERTY MAY BE INDICATING TO HER THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE REZONED TO R ONE BEFORE THEY, I I, MAYBE I'M TOTALLY, TOTALLY INCORRECT ON THAT, BUT I'M, I'M, MS. JONES IS SAYING SOMETHING THAT SHE NEEDS AN APPROVAL OR SOMETHING BEFORE.
I THINK THE INDIVIDUAL THEY'RE WORKING WITH IS GONNA DO A PRELIMINARY SKETCH OR PRELIMINARY LAYOUT PROPERTY.
'CAUSE I, ARE YOU WANTING WHAT MR. BASSETT IS SAYING FAR AS HOW MANY LIGHTS YOU CAN PUT
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ON IT OR WHERE THE ENTRANCES NEED TO GO, HOW MANY LOTS YOU CAN PUT ON.SO WHETHER IT'S FOUR, WHETHER IT'S FIVE, AND THEN SO THAT THEY CAN PLACE THEM PROPERLY.
AND, AND THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT IS 'CAUSE I KNOW MR. BASSETT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE, THE, UH, VDOT.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE VDOT REPORT IS THE ENTRANCES IF YOU UNDERSTAND.
BUT ANYWAY, BUT THAT'S, BUT BUT THEIR REPORTS, SO THAT'S JUST INDICATING, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY LAY OUT THE SUBDIVISION AND HOW MANY ENTRANCES THEY DESIRE, THEY'RE NOT STATING WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
BUT THAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ENTRANCE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY, THEY WOULD BE VDOT WOULD BE OKAY WITH INDIVIDUAL YES.
AND THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T, YES.
BUT I ALSO THINK VDO IS KIND OF SAYING IN THEIR REPORT WHAT MR. TETANUS AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN SAYING AND WHAT WE WERE ALLUDING TO.
'CAUSE I, I'M LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
I LIKE THAT LOW AMOUNT HOUSING.
SO THANK YOU FOR OFFERING THAT AND BRINGING THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE I COULD SEE MYSELF, YOU KNOW, UM, APPROVING THIS.
BUT IF I LOOK AT THE VO REPORT, THE FIRST THING THEY STATE IN THERE IS THAT THE PROPOSED SEWING APPLICATION DID NOT STATE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS THEY WERE GOING PUT IN IF YOU READ THEIR REPORT.
AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULD DO HALF ACRES ONE ACRE OR A ACRE AND A HALF.
SO WHEN WE GOT THE CLARITY THAT IT WAS AN ACRE AND A HALF, THAT CHANGED WHAT WE ACTUALLY WERE THINKING ORIGINALLY.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANYBODY? I, I GUESS YOU DO HAVE CLARITY BECAUSE IF WE REZONE THIS TO R ONE, YOU'D GET TO DO ACRE AND A HALF LOTS.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW IT WOULD BE DIVIDED WITH THE ACRE AND A HALF LOTS, IF THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO CARRY TO THE PERSON THAT YOU HAVE WORKING.
I DON'T KNOW YOUR AGREEMENT WITH THAT PERSON.
I I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE A PARTNER.
I'M JUST, I I THINK WHAT WE WOULD, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS TO SEE THE LOTS DRAWN ON THE MAP.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT.
IT JUST HAS TO BE WHAT YOUR IDEA IS.
BECAUSE EVEN IF WE APPROVE TO MOVE IT FORWARD, IF YOU GO THERE AND YOU FIND SOME LAND ON THERE THAT IS NOT PREFERABLE OR YOU CAN'T MAKE, THEN THAT'S GOING TO DECIDE HOW MANY HOMES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TOO.
WHICH I MEAN, IN REALITY, YES, IN THE END, SHE'S NOT GONNA GET ANY MORE THAN FIVE LOTS, PERIOD.
I MEAN, IF WE JUST GO ON AND REZONE IT, I, I GUESS I'M, MAYBE IT'S JUST MY POINT AND NOT MY NEED, BUT HERE'S MY TAKE ON THAT.
I, I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WE SAW ON NASH ROAD AND I MADE THAT STATEMENT HERE PUBLICLY.
AND I TALKED TO MR. BASSETT OFFLINE ON THAT, AND I SAID, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE, AGAIN, PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT, UM, UNTIL IT'S GOT SOME, SOME OF THE SAME KIND OF PLANNING LEVEL THAT YOU JUST, UM, ALLUDED TO.
UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT UNTIL MY LAST DISCUSSION WITH MR. BASSETT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOMEBODY, A CHESTERFIELD COUNTY OFFICIAL INVOLVED WITH THAT.
AND I'M THINKING MY, MY FIRST REACTION TO THAT WAS, WELL, I KNOW DARN WELL THAT CHESTERFIELD COUNTY WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT IN THEIR COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, SO WHY, WHY DOES HE THINK HE CAN COME OVER HERE ACROSS THE RIVER AND GET SOMETHING LEFT? ANYWAY, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, GIVEN THE UNIQUE SITUATION OF THE, OF THIS LOT OF THE, THE NUMBER OF LOTS AS YOU DESCRIBED, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
'CAUSE THE FACT, THE ISSUE THAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE IS GONNA BE DEFACTO SETTLED IF THEY WANT TO GO WITH THE, UM, SINGLE ENTRANCE.
IT'S GONNA BE DEFACTO SOLVED BY THE, UM, THE V DOT COMMENT REGARDING THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND HOW THAT WOULD APPLY IN A CASE OF A, UH, A QUOTE, LOW VOLUME COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE.
'CAUSE I THINK IF YOU DO THAT RIGHT, WHICH I THINK IS COMMENDABLE, I I DON'T THINK YOU'LL GET FIVE BLOCKS OUT OF IT AND IT WON'T BE AS, IT WON'T BE AS BENEFICIAL TO YOU.
YEAH, I THINK YOU GONNA, I PERSONALLY THINK YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH FIVE BLOCKS.
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IS WHAT I THINK YOU'LL END UP WITH.SO IT'S ONLY THAT UNIQUE SITUATION THAT I'M WILLING TO GO THAT WAY.
BUT OTHERWISE, I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT WE NEED TO SEE MORE OF THE MORE INFORMATION ON THESE APPLICATIONS.
THAT WAS, THAT'S WHAT WE WORKING ON NOW.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.
THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE UP BE RESOLVED IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6 A SEVEN.
IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT REZONING P DASH 23 DASH SEVEN BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH THE PROFFERS THAT ARE LISTED.
I DON'T WHY Y'ALL PUT THAT IN THE LITTLE STATEMENT THEN.
UH, A APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
BODE P DASH TWO THREE DASH SEVEN HAS BEEN APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THANK YOU'ALL FOR COMING AND WORKING WITH US AND GOOD LUCK.
AND, UM, WHEN YOU BUY YOUR, WHEN NEXT TIME YOU BUY, WHEN YOU BUY YOUR 50 ACRE LOT, JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHEN YOU FIND IT'LL BE HAPPY.
WE LOOKING FOR THE NEXT ALREADY BECAUSE WE HAVE A SMALL ONE THIS TIME ALL BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT WHAT WE SUGGESTED, BUT AT LEAST YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN THE NEXT ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU'LL LOVE IT.
I HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR.
CREDIT COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS.
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO REITERATE THAT AGAIN.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T, I JUST, I I KNOW MARK TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY THAT THE, THE MASS WROTE HAD DIS WAS DISAPPROVED.
I HADN'T BEEN FOLLOWING IT, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT HAD BEEN DISAPPROVED.
YOU SAID IT WAS DISAPPROVED UNANIMOUSLY, RIGHT? YES.
SO I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT KNOW JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, BUT, UM, I THINK BACK ON THAT AND I IT, AS FAR AS THE COMP PLAN, WE WENT THROUGH THAT AREA THERE IS PERFECT FOR WHAT THAT GUY WANTED TO DO, BUT IT, IN MY OPINION, IT CAME HERE HALF BAKED AND IT, I JUST DON'T, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THAT, ARE YOU HANDLED THAT KIND OF STUFF ADMINISTRATIVELY OR IS THERE AN ORDINANCE THAT BACKS YOU UP ON WHAT IS, WHAT IS MINIMALLY REQUIRED? JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE MORE ASSERTIVE ABOUT THAT.
DIDN'T, DIDN'T WE IN OUR LAST MEETING TALK ABOUT THE SAME AREA, DOING THE SAME THING ABOUT GETTING, UM, TO, TO WHERE WHEN IT COMES TO US IT'S CLAIM MORE WITH MORE BEAT ON THE BONE THAN, THAN IT IS NOW? WELL, SPECIFICALLY WE JUST DISCUSSED THE PROFFERS.
AND WHAT I, I DID MAKE A COMMENT DURING THAT DISCUSSION THAT IT'S TOUGH FOR STAFF, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
WE DEAL WITH A, A WIDE VARIETY OF APPLICANTS AND ANY APPLICANT COME CAN COME AND ASK TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY.
SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO WALK THAT LINE OF, WELL, I MEAN, BRAD AND MYSELF, WE ALWAYS DO SUGGEST DIFFERENT THING AND TALK ABOUT PAST CASES AS A REFERENCE POINT OF WHAT WE THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD INCLUDE IN YOUR APPLICATION.
BUT OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH A WIDE, YOU KNOW, RANGE OF APPLICANTS AND IN SOME CASES THEIR ABILITY TO DO CONCEPT PLANS, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO AT, AT SOME POINT IT, WE DO HAVE TO DEEM THAT THE APPLICATION'S COMPLETE
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AND BRING IT TO YOU ALL.AND YOU ALL MAY OF COURSE BE UNHAPPY WITH THE APPLICATION AS IT'S PRESENTED, BUT THERE'S REALLY, I MEAN, NOTHING IN STATE CODE.
I MEAN, I GUESS WE CAN BUILD IT INTO OUR CODE AS WELL OF WHAT'S REQUIRED IN APPLICATION.
BUT IN, IN THE PAST WE'VE, WE'VE, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT, AT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SOME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT APPLICANTS SHOULD BE BRINGING TO THEM.
AND AFTER A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE WE TRIED TO IMPLEMENT THAT, AS YOU SAID ADMINISTRATIVELY, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD DECIDED THAT THEY WEREN'T GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF AN APPLICANT.
UM, AND I, AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT IS JUST SIMPLY THAT SOME APPLICANTS AREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, IT JUST HOW TO HANDLE THAT, THAT WIDE RANGE OF, OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED AND THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BRINGING THOSE, IT, IT CAN MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS HARD LINE OF YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE EVEN DEAL THAT WITH THAT AT THE BUILDING PERMIT LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE FOR A BASIC SITE PLAN AT THE BUILDING PERMIT IF SOMEBODY'S JUST DEVELOPING ONE ONE LOT.
UM, HOW SOPHISTICATED DOES THE SITE PLAN HAVE TO BE WHERE THEY'RE JUST SHOWING US SETBACKS, UM, SILT FENCE THAT MAY BE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS EROSION AND SEDIMENT RUNOFF FROM A SITE.
SO IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF A CONSTANT BATTLE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD BE REQUIRED AND HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE REQUIRING OF, OF THE APPLICANT? WELL, I LOOK AT IT NOW, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO PULL ALL THE INFORMATION OUT OF THE PEOPLE.
IF THEY WANT IT TO PASS, THEN THEY'LL BRING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE IT WHERE IT PASSES.
AND IF WE DON'T SEE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, JUST SAY NO.
AND THEN THEY'LL GO, WHAT HAPPENED? AND THEN PROBABLY MARK WOULD SAY, WELL PROBABLY THEY WANNA SEE THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS, AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT.
AND MAYBE NEXT TIME THEY'LL COME WITH IT.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST A LONG PROCESS.
OR THEY'LL GO CRY TO THEIR SUPERVISOR AND THEN LET THEM HANDLE IT.
THEY CAN PASS IT AFTER WE SAY NO IF THEY WANT TO, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND WE ARE NOT.
WELL, TO ME IT'S, IT, IT, IT IS, I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I FEEL LIKE TONIGHT WAS, I THINK WE MADE A GOOD DECISION PERSONALLY, BUT, BUT, BUT IT IS SMALL ENOUGH AND THE SITUATION WAS UNIQUE ENOUGH.
THE ONE WE HAD BEFORE I THINK WAS CLEARLY THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH.
BUT WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE IN THE MIDDLE? IT IS HARD TO SAY.
I THINK YOU DRAW THE LINE WHEN YOU ASK THEM TO DO SOMETHING AND SAY, WELL, YOU SUGGEST THAT SOMETHING BE DONE AND THEY LOOK AT YOU LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND DON'T DO IT.
ABOUT THIS EASEMENT, PROBABLY ME AND YOUR COPY
WE'LL MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO YOU ALL.
BECAUSE I, I, I LIKE TO SEE IT BECAUSE I'M STILL RUNNING DIFFERENT SCENARIOS IN MY HEAD.
AND SHE KEPT TALKING ABOUT THAT DRIVEWAY AND COMING OFF OF IT AND I'M LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET FIVE BUCKS IF YOU DO
THEY, IF IF IT DO, THEN WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS HOUSES SITTING BEHIND HOUSES AND ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
I DUNNO, IT'S SHARED DRIVEWAYS AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THAT'S WHY EVERYTHING ON, ON AL JUST ROAD DIDN'T SH WE, WE TALKED ABOUT 'EM SHARING THE ENTRANCE AND THEN THAT WENT TO TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE OF VO.
AND THEN THE GUY ACROSS THE STREET DID THE SAME THING ONCE, ONCE WE APPROVED THAT TOO.
WHAT WE TOLD HIM, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE WOULD HAVE DID HAPPEN.
THE GUY CAME IN AND WANTED THE, ALL OF HIS PROPERTY WANTED TO HAVE ENTRANCE OUT ON RIDGE ROAD.
SO WHEN HE GETS THROUGH BUILDING OUT,
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HE'LL HAVE 9, 10, 10 ENTRANCES ON THE RIDGE ROAD WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF EACH OTHER.SO WHAT'S THE SPEED LIMIT AT DOWN THERE? 45.
YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA, IT'LL, IT'LL GET TO 35 AND 25 AT TIME.
BUT HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY WRAP UPS WE GOING HAVE OUT THERE? UH, SORRY.
PLANNING DIRECTOR COMMENTS? I, I HAVE NO COMMENTS MR. CHAIR.
YOU DIDN'T ASK BRAD IF HE WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING.
HE DOESN'T WANNA SAY ANYTHING.
HE SAYING HE WANTS TO GO HOME AND GET DINNER.
I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT HE, HE IS UNDER THE WEATHER A LITTLE BIT TODAY.
ADJOURNED MOTIONS DON'T NEED SECOND TRUSTING HALL IS IN FAVOR.