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AND IT IS 7 0 1 MR. CHAIR AND[1. CALL TO ORDER]
COUNTY.CALL THE JANUARY THE 10TH MEETING.
START OFF WITH A REASONS BETWEEN THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
APPROVE OF THE AGENDA.MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA WITH NO CORRECTION.
AND MR. SIMMONS, TURN THE MEETING OVER.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVE THE MINUTES.[6. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN FOR 2024]
UH, YOU'RE TAKING OVER NOW? YEAH.UM, AS THIS IS OUR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2024, UH, WE NEED TO, UM, I'LL TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR OUR CHAIRPERSON FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT, UH, MR. TITUS BE THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE COMING YEAR.
UM, MR. JURY, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, DID THEY NEED TO READ THE RESOLUTION AFTER THIS VOTE? I, I WOULD ASK THAT, THAT THAT RESOLUTION IS MADE PART THE RECORD AND YES.
AS THE MOTION CAN THE RE THAT MR. CHAIRMAN BE IT RESOLVED THAT BE IT RESOLVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF DENVER COUNTY, VIRGINIA.
THAT MR. TITUS, WHAT'S YOUR FIRST NAME? EDWARD.
EDWARD TITUS SHALL BE APPOINTED AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF DENVER COUNTY, VIRGINIA FOR THE YEAR 2024 OR UNTIL HE RESIGNS OR IS UNABLE TO HOLD OFFICE OR UNTIL A SUCCESSOR ASSUMES OFFICE SECOND.
WE WILL STICK WITH THE SAME, UH, VOTE THAT WE HAD EARLY.
WE JUST WANTED THE RESOLUTION TO BE READ AND BE A PART OF THE RECORD.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE, RETAKE THE VOTE TO MAKE IT
IT SAYS THAT SH BLANK SHELBY APPOINTED.
SO THAT'S NOT AN APPOINTMENT, IS IT? THAT'S JUST A TECHNICAL WORD THAT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THIS WAS READ TO THE RECORD AND THAT Y'ALL APPROVED THIS.
SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING ACT? NO.
I WILL NOW TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR NEW CHAIR, MR. TIPMAN.
[7. ELECTION OF VICE CHAIRMAN FOR 2024]
COME TIME FOR US TO ELECT A VICE CHAIR FOR 24.IS IT NOMINATIONS ARE OPENED AT THIS TIME? IT'S MR. HARL.
IS MR. HAR IN THE ROTATION? YES.
OH, I'M, I'M SORRY, MR. TUCKER,
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I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION.MR. HARVILLE'S IN ROTATION? YES.
SINCE HE'S A I MAKE OBJECT MR. HO, SINCE HE'S A RED SKINNED FAN.
READ THE, READ THE THIRD PAGE.
BE IT RESOLVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF DEWEY COUNTY, VIRGINIA.
THAT MR. MONTANA VILLE WAS YOUR FIRST NAME.
MR. JOHN HARVILLE, UM, SHALL BE APPOINTED AS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF ITY COUNTY, VIRGINIA FOR THE YEAR 2024 OR UNTIL HE RESIGNS, IS UNABLE TO HOLD OFFICE OR UNTIL, OR UNTIL A SUCCESSOR ASSUMES OFFICE.
SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING AYE.
[8. DETERMINATION OF MEETING SCHEDULE FOR 2024]
ON THE AGENDAS DETERMINATION AND MEETING SCHEDULE FOR 2024, I'M ASSUMING WE WILL KEEP THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH IF THAT IS OKAY WITH EVERYBODY.UM, COULD I GET A, JUST A MOTION TO MAKE THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH THE REGULAR MEETING TIME AND A TIME FOR THAT, WHICH WOULD BE SEVEN O'CLOCK? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH TO BE OUR MEETING AT 7:00 PM I SECOND IT.
THAT'S THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AND THE DATES AS PRESENTED ON THIS RESOLUTION.
WHICH IS THAT, UH, WHICH IS THE DATES PRESENTED ON THIS? THE CALENDAR RESOLUTION.
CALENDAR? I'M SORRY? THERE'S A RESOLUTION THAT YOU WANT IS ANOTHER RESOLUTION FOR THAT? THERE'S A YES.
UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TO APPROVE.
SO YOU WANT THE DATES, THE ACTUAL DATES TO BE READ INTO THE MINUTES? YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS RESOLUTION.
THE MOTION OR IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RESOLUTION GIVEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS DAY, UH, TO BE HELD ON THE DATES THAT FOLLOW.
I'M GONNA, I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ 'EM OFF.
WE WANNA MEET ON FEBRUARY 14TH.
YEAH, BUT THOSE OF YOU GUYS WERE MARRIED.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE IMPLYING A MASSACRE.
BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOOD PLACE TO GO OUT TO EAT ON THE 14TH, SO I'D RATHER WAIT UNTIL THE 15TH.
WELL, THERE FLAT ROCK GROCERY.
WE LOVE BETTER COME BEFORE YOU COME HERE.
ALRIGHT, WELL, IF YOU WANT IT DIFFERENT, MAKE, MAKE A MOTION.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO EVERYBODY'S DETENTION.
I'VE BEEN MARRIED LONG ENOUGH TO WHEN I CAN DECIDE TO LEAVE HOME, I CAN GO.
I MAY NOT GET BACK IN, BUT I CAN GO.
SO FEBRUARY 14TH, MARCH 13TH, APRIL 10TH, MAY 8TH, JUNE 12TH.
NOVEMBER 13TH AND DECEMBER 12TH, 2024 AND WILL BE AT 7:00 PM ALRIGHT, MR. TUCKER? YES.
UH, YOU WANT THAT MOTION READ? NO.
I WAS JUST GONNA EXPLAIN THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE MR. LEY HAS TO ACTUALLY ADVERTISE THIS IN THE PAPER, THIS RESOLUTION OKAY.
FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING FOR VIRGINIA CODE.
BUT I, I, I FLAT MISSED OUT ONE.
I SEEN THE OTHER TWO EARLIER WHEN I LOOKED AT THE TAXI AND YOU SENT IT TO ME, I GUESS.
AND IF I'D HAVE WENT ANOTHER PAGE, I WOULD'VE SEEN THE MOTION THAT NEEDED TO BE READ.
SORRY, MR. BE AND I'M SORRY, BUT IF EVERYTHING'S OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
UH, WE'RE COMING TO THE TIME FOR CITIZEN'S COMMENT, SEEING NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, MAYBE THIS MIGHT HAVE SIGNED UP.
UH, I'M JUST, MR. GURLEY, DID ANYBODY BY CHANCE
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SIGN UP OR IS ANYONE ON THE PHONE? NO.ALRIGHT, I WILL OPEN CITIZEN COMMENT AND I WILL THEN IN TURN, CLOSE IT.
MR. BASSETT, IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO BE ATTENDED TO AT THIS TIME? NO.
MR. CHAIR, DOES ANYBODY HERE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS THEY FEEL NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF? ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF? NO.
[11. NEW BUSINESS]
HERE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? I HAVE NEW BUSINESS THAT I'D LIKE TO TAKE CARE OF.IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE TIME MARK TO MENTION WHAT I WANTED TO DO? NO.
SO THAT OVERRULED YOU AT THIS MOMENT, UH, I WOULD LIKE MARK AND THEM TO ADD THE FACT THAT MINI STORAGE WOULD NEED TO BE A CUP ITEM AND NOT LIKE IT CURRENTLY IS WITHOUT A CUP.
IF Y'ALL ARE IN AGREEANCE WITH THAT, I BELIEVE MARK AND THEM WERE WORKING ON SOME CHANGES TO THINGS IN THE ZONING, IN EACH ZONING SECTION, THEY CAN ADD THAT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN LUMP ALL THAT IN AND HAVE THAT DONE AT ONE TIME.
NOW, I'LL TELL YOU WHY I WANT THAT.
CURRENTLY, IF SOMEBODY BUILDS A MINI STORAGE IN M1 OR M TWO, AND I BELIEVE ALSO THEY DO IT IN WHICH B ZONING B ONE OR B2B TWO WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT B TWO WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
BUT IN M1 M TWO, THEY DO NOT NEED IT.
UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OF THEM THAT DON'T LOOK GOOD THAT WE SHOULD MAKE IT A CUP ITEM AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN PUT THINGS ON THEM THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IF THEY'RE IN THE VIEW OF THE PUBLIC ON A REGULAR BASIS.
ANY, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE OPPOSED TO IT, THAT'S FINE.
WELL, I'M GOT A QUESTION THEN.
I GUESS I REMEMBER THE CASES IN RECENT YEARS WERE IN A TWO, SO IT HAD A, YOU KNOW, IT DID HAVE A CUP.
SO WHERE DO WE HAVE ANY, WHAT IS OUR INVENTORY THAT ARE IN THESE M AND B CATEGORIES THAT DO NOT REQUIRE A CUP? UH, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANY OF THE ONES PRIOR TO ME BEING ON THE BOARD THE SECOND TIME, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN ROSALYN FARMS CAME IN FRONT OF US AND I ASKED IF THEY WOULD LEAVE THAT OUT OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE IN THEIR ZONING AND THEY DID NOT, WHICH WOULD BE ON HEIMER WAY.
SO CURRENTLY IF THEY WANTED TO THROW SOME UP RIGHT NOW, WE COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT THE WAY THEY DID IT, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
ANY OF THAT IN THAT M1 M TWO AREA.
SAME THING ON SIMPSON ROAD, IF THEY WANTED IT IN ANY OF THE STUFF THAT'S NOT THERE.
AND I HAVE KNOWN A PIECE OF THAT AND I'M WILLING TO GO IN FRONT OF CUP IF I WANTED A, A MINI STORAGE ON THE PIECE I HAD, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S PERTINENT THAT WE HAVE SO MANY ALREADY.
AND I LOOK AT THE ONE THAT'S ON FOUR 60 NEXT TO MCCRAY ELECTRIC.
PLEASE DON'T USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
WELL, IF IT WAS A CUP, IT SOMEHOW SLIPPED THROUGH TO HAVE BETTER LOOK THAN WHAT IT DID THAT THAT PROPERTY'S ON M1, THE ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
SO THAT WAS AN M1 AND THAT, THAT AGAIN, SKIRTS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'S NO ABILITY TO GO BACK ANNUALLY OR WHATEVER.
AND I, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
IF WE HAVE IT UNDER EVERY ZONING AS A CUP AS OPPOSED TO LEAVING IT OUT OF THE INDUSTRIAL, THEN WE, WE AT LEAST HAVE SOME YEAH.
AT LEAST WE COVERED BECAUSE THAT QUESTION CAME UP ON THE CASE WE HAD, UM, NOT TOO LONG AGO.
WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT AND THE GUY MCKINNEY, THE GUY YEAH.
AND THE GUY KEPT SAYING NO, NOT THAT ONE.
UH, BUT THE GUY KEPT SAYING, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS AN M1 PROPERTY, BUT HE WOULD NOT, HE COULDN'T SPEAK, HE COULDN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT.
SO IF WE PUT IT IN THERE, IF WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK TO IT, I THINK WE'LL COVER OURSELVES ON THAT.
I, ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR YOUR BUSINESS.
WELL, HOW DO WE DO THAT MR. DREW JURY? HOW DO WE DO THAT? JUST TELL PLANNING TO LOOK TO, TO PUT IT IN.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT AND WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THAT ADDED TO THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE GONNA DO.
BUT THAT WOULD FALL IN THERE AND BE SOMETHING THAT WE CHANGE.
WELL, WE WOULD PREPARE A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR Y'ALL TO
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REVIEW AND THEN WE WOULD ADVERTISE IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT TO BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE, TWO TO THREE MONTHS? I'D SAY MARCH WOULD BE THE SOONEST WE COULD.
WHICH, THAT'S, THAT SHOULD BE FINE.
I THINK WE DON'T HAVE AN M WE DON'T HAVE ANY M1 STUFF COMING BEFORE THAT, DO WE? NO.
WE DON'T, WE HAVE THE MASSACRE IN FEBRUARY.
UH, I HAVE, I HAVE SOME NEW BUSINESS I'D LIKE SOMETHING I LIKE TO BRING UP.
UM, DIRECTED TO, UH, PLANNING WHEN WE HAVE OUR WORKSHOPS OR OUR JOINT MEETINGS AT FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, UM, IS THERE A BUDGET FOR US TO HAVE A SANDWICH OR SOME SOUP OR SOMETHING? UH, CURRENTLY, NO.
I DON'T, WE ARE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, SO I COULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE BUDGET AND SEE IF IT'S APPROVED.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT? PROPOSE THAT IN THE BUDGET? I'M, I'M ALL FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, I CAN STAY AT HOME AND EAT AND NOT COME TO THE WORKSHOP MEETING.
BUT I WANT TO BE THERE WHEN THE COUNTY NEEDS ME.
AND I THINK THE LEAST THEY COULD DO IS GET ME A SANDWICH AND A SODA TO EAT AT FIVE O'CLOCK IF I'M GONNA BE HERE TILL POSSIBLY NINE OR 10 THAT NIGHT.
I, I OBSERVED MR. DREW DOING THAT VERY, UH, I ITEM A WHILE AGO.
I'M JUST, YOU COULD JUST ASK ME TO PUT THE SANDWICH.
YOU'D LET HIM HAVE IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, WELL, WOULD, WOULD, UH, SO CAN WE DIRECT PLANNING TO, I WOULD SAY, INTO THAT DIRECT PLANNING TO ADD THAT IN THE BUDGET? I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT SHOULDN'T BE A HUGE BUDGET ITEM.
ONE A QUARTER MAYBE APPROXIMATELY.
UNLESS WE START THE SOLAR PROCESS THING MANY, MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND THEN IT'LL BE WORKSHOP AFTER WORKSHOP, AFTER WORKSHOP.
WELL, WE, WELL, I I THINK THAT'D BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
AND THEN WE CAN ASK THEM TO PAY MORE.
WE CAN ALWAYS ASK THEM TO PAY MORE.
YOU'RE GETTING UP INTO THE KEG CATEGORY.
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REVIEW OF THE BYLAWS.ANYBODY HAVE ANY, I MOVE, DO WE READ THE BYLAWS PRIVATELY ALONG WITH THE CODE OF ETHICS AND ANYTHING ELSE YOU GOT? IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND IT, IF TYLER WAS HERE, WE KNOW HOW HE LIKES TO READ THE WHOLE THING SINCE HE ISN'T HERE.
IF WE HAD A MOTION IN A SECOND TO NOT READ 'EM, TO PERSONALLY LOOK OVER, THAT'S FINE.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO OKAY.
YEAH, THERE'S NO CHANGES OR ANYTHING.
IF YOU DO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGE CHANGES, I DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER ANY CHANGES.
THAT'S, THERE'S NOTHING TO BE DONE.
SO THAT TAKES CARE OF REVIEW OF BYLAWS AND REVIEW OF THE CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF CONDUCT.
[14. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
14, PLANNING COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENTS.UM, WE ARE IN, IN, UM, SEEMINGLY A HEATED POLITICAL SEASON AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHEN WE HAVE CASES THAT ARE GONNA BRING OUT A LOT OF FOLK, IF WE CAN GET POLICE, UH, PROTECTION.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE ARE NOT LINE WITH LEAD, ARE THEY? THIS THIS IS NOT LINED WITH LEAD, IS IT? MM-HMM
UM, IT IS ACTUALLY BULLETPROOF.
THAT JUST MEANS YOU GOTTA GET YOUR HEAD BELOW THIS, SO.
THE PROBLEM IS, I DON'T THINK THE ONE WAY I'M SITTING IS MM-HMM
OH, SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THAT
Y'ALL GONNA HAVE A JUMP A LITTLE FARTHER WHEN WE GONNA HAVE A PHONE.
I, I JUST, I'M, I'M, I BRING IT UP BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH CRAZY STUFF GOING ON NOW.
I MEAN, THE DC DISTRICT JUDGE AND PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY GOT THE HOUSE, GOT SWATTED OVER THE WEEKEND.
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YOU KNOW, GUY WALKED UP INTO A WALMART, UH, IN VIRGINIA BEACH SOMEWHERE IN VIRGINIA BEACH, WALKED INTO A WALMART OR SOMETHING.STARTED SHOOTING ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO.
I MEAN, JUST, THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING, SOME PEOPLE YOU JUST GOING HAYWIRE.
DID ANYBODY SEE THE, THE GENTLEMAN, I CALL HIM A GENTLEMAN? THE GUY THAT JUMPED, JUMPED OVER THERE ON, ON THE JUDGE.
I MEAN, HE CLEAR HE CLEARED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, WELL NOW IF HE, IF SOMEBODY COME LIKE THAT, THEY BARE HANDED AND THEY COME, THEY, THEY CLEAR.
WELL, SO YOU, I DUNNO HOW HE GOT OVER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HE CLEARED THAT JOB IS TO PROTECT THE JUDGE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HE, DUDE, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE GOT THAT CLOSE.
I, I CAN'T FIGURE THAT, BUT I LOOKED AT IT.
BUT, SO YOU ASKED ABOUT A SANDWICH AND THE BUDGET.
AM I RIGHT THAT EVERY ONE OF THE BOARD MEETINGS, IT'S BUDGETED TO HAVE A, A, A DEPUTY HERE AT EVERY BOARD MEETING? IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YEAH, SO, BUT MY, JUST ANECDOTALLY, MY MEMORY WOULD BE THAT WHILE THERE'S A DEPUTY AT EVERY BOARD MEETING, THE USE OF A DEPUTY AT A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HAS BEEN SPORADIC.
JUST THOSE HOT BUTTON TOPICS LIKE WIND.
LILY POND SOLAR, WE'VE HAD ONE AT EVERY ONE OF THOSE.
UH, SO WHENEVER WE REQUEST ONE, THEY, THEY MAKE ONE AVAILABLE FOR US.
SO IF, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE ONE AT EVERY MEETING, WE WILL CERTAINLY REQUEST THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED ONE TONIGHT.
BUT I MEAN, WOULD IT DELAY, IS IT POSSIBLE UNTIL LATER? THE CONCERNS HERE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SAY LIKE, WHEN, WHEN YOU TELL US WHAT IS LIKELY TO COME UP THE NEXT MONTH, THEN WE COULD, IF, IF, IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS AMONG THE GROUP TO WANT TO HAVE THAT, CAN YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN? YES, CERTAINLY.
WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD.
I'M, Y'ALL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME.
I, I KNOW WE COULD GET OUTTA HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW.
I'D RATHER STAY HERE A FEW MORE MINUTES TONIGHT THAN YES SIR.
DO WE NEED TO READ THE RESOLUTION FOR THE BYLAWS OR DID WE DO THAT? I MISSED IT.
NO, IT'S, NO, WHAT Y'ALL DID WAS OKAY.
[15. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS]
DIRECTOR COMMENTS.I JUST HAVE, UH, ONE COMMENT FOR THIS EVENING BEHIND YOU ALL.
YOU WILL SEE THERE, WE HAVE PACKETS, UH, FOR YOU.
THAT IS THE, UM, THE LILY POND SOLAR PROJECT HAS, UH, REQUESTED, UH, COMEBACK WITH A REVISED APPLICATION, UH, FOR REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO I EASIEST WAY TO GIVE YOU THE PACKETS IS TO HAND 'EM OUT THIS EVENING AND, AND POTENTIALLY WE'LL BE ADVERTISING THAT FOR YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REZONING AND THE, THE CUPI.
KINDA LIKE THE BYLAWS IF THEY HADN'T CHANGED, THEY ALREADY GOT ONE.
DO I NEED A NEW ONE? UM, THEY HAVE REVISED A COUPLE THINGS IN THE APPLICATION, SO I WOULD LIKE TO IS THAT IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY? MAYBE? IT IS.
AND I, I JUST HAVE TO ADD TO THAT, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE EVERYBODY GOT HERE IN ONLY ALVIN IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HASN'T HEARD IT THREE TIMES.
UH, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO CATCH ALVIN UP OFF THE CLOCK
AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE HIM WITH ME TO GO MEET WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TALK AGAIN.
I, I DO NOT SEE A NEED OF SITTING IN HERE AND THE ONLY THING THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT.
AM I WRONG? DO Y'ALL REMEMBER MOST OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? WELL, THAT WAS MY POINT.
I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, I HATE TO BE REDUNDANT AND MARK HAVE TO WASTE WHAT SEEMED LIKE AN HOUR OF TIME TO READ THROUGH EVERYTHING IN THE SUMMARY AND THEN THEY GET UP AND SPEND AN HOUR OF TIME AND THEN WE LISTENED TO ONE TO TWO HOURS OF CITIZEN COMMENT.
I JUST SOON HEAR THE FEW HIGHLIGHTS THAT CHANGE AND JUMP RIGHT IN TO LET EVERYBODY GET THEIR PAY ON THE FLESH AND TO BE DONE.
JUST SOMETHING ON THAT MM-HMM
COMING THROUGH YOUR BYLAWS WHEN I READ THROUGH THEM TODAY.
I BELIEVE IT LIMITS THE APPLICANT'S SHOW HAVE 10, 10 MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
I MEAN I IF NOW THAT I KNOW THAT, BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD'VE WENT BACK AND READ ALL THAT.
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10 MINUTES FOR THE APPLICANT, THREE MINUTES FOR THE UH, RIGHT.FOR THE SPEAKER, I MEAN FOR THE PUBLIC.
I KNEW THE PUBLIC WAS THREE MINUTES.
THOUGHT YOU GOT A COUNTDOWN WHEN YOU GOT AN ENTIRE FULL ROOM OF THREE MINUTES A PIECE THAT'S COULD TAKE QUITE AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT I WILL TRY TO KEEP THAT MEETING MOVING ALONG WELL IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER.
WE'VE DEFINITELY USED THAT LITTLE TIME CLOCK UP THERE.
WERE YOU AND KEVIN TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY HAD TO BE APPOINTED TO THE C YES.
YEAH, I'M GONNA BRING THAT UP.
ANY MORE COMMENTS YOU GUYS? UM, YES, I DO HAVE.
DO WE WANT THIS LILY POND THING? JUST CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
MR.
THE THEN WITTY CODE ALLOWS AN APPLICANT TO BRING AN APPLICATION BACK AFTER SIX MONTHS.
JUST, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW THIS, THE VIRGINIA CODE SAYS YOU CAN, YOU CAN, IN OTHER WORDS, BASICALLY THE VIRGINIA CODE SAYS THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT AS A AT A YEAR.
Y'ALL GIVE, IN OTHER WORDS, BASICALLY YOUR TIME PERIOD IS SHORTER THAN WHAT THE VIRGINIA CODE WILL ALLOW YOU TO DO.
SO JUST SOMETHING WE ALL TO KNOW TOO.
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST HERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IF IT DIDN'T, DOESN'T SHOW UP APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, THREE APPLICATION.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WERE FEW MONTHS EARLY.
NOW IF YOU, IF YOU EVER WANT TO AMEND YOUR CODE OR DO YOU DISCUSS WHAT AMEND YOUR CODE, YOU CAN GO FROM TO THE STATE TIME PERIOD AS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU CAN ELONGATE IF YOU EVER WANTED TO.
BUT YOU'D HAVE TO THAT TO KNOW WHAT INCIDENT.
SO I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SO WHAT WAS THE, UM, IS IT, IS IT, WAS THAT ENACTED WITHIN Y'ALL'S MEMORY? I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
IT PROBABLY JUST GOES WAY BACK.
I THINK THAT WAS HERE WHEN I FIRST RIGHT.
IT PROBABLY GOES BACK ALMOST TO THE BEGINNING OF THE PROBABLY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
CHANCES ARE WE ADOPTED SOME OF IN STATE CODE CAME LATER AND NO, AND IT WAS NOT AN ISSUE AND IT JUST STAYED PROPERLY.
BUT THEY HAD A LONG, IT'S, IT'S AT 12 MONTHS.
IS THAT ANOTHER THING THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING AND EVERYTHING? WELL, SOME THINGS YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE A MOTION TO GET OVER WITH, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'D LIKE Y'ALL TO EXPLORE THAT.
AND WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO THERE? I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW.
ALL THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS I'VE WORKED FOR, IT'S BEEN 12 MONTHS.
UM, BUT I'VE NEVER EVER REALLY LOOKED RIGHT.
YOU UNDERSTAND ME TO SEE WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING.
WELL, HOW, HOW MANY HAVE COME BACK WITHIN A YEAR OTHER THAN SOLAR? I KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE QUARRY CASES, WELL, IN THE PAST.
WELL, TO ME IT'S A LOT LIKE THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION WHERE IF I, AGAIN, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS COMMONWEALTH ALLOWS FOR 15 AND 15 AND WE WERE AT THREE AND THREE OR SOMETHING.
AND NOW WE'RE AT WHAT, FIVE, THREE AND FIVE WE'RE AT TWO AND FIVE.
RIGHT? AND SO I'M ALWAYS THE ADVOCATE FOR 15 AND 15.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, THE POINT BEING IS THAT I, I THINK CONSISTENCY WITH OTHER LOCALITIES IS, IS PROBABLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHEN I SAID WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO? PART OF THAT IS, IS BEING JUST, YOU KNOW, DOING THE RIGHT THING, BUT ALSO BEING CONSISTENT ALONG WITH THAT.
SO THIS, THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS TIME, BUT, UH, I'M THINKING BACK IN MY MEMORY THAT UM, MOST APPLICANTS AREN'T READY
AND I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVEN'T HAVE A, YOU UNDERSTAND ME, RIGHT? THIS, THIS, THIS IS THE CLOSEST ONE I THINK IN MY MEMORY SINCE I'VE BEEN HELPING OUT.
ANYONE, MR. CHAIR? I DO HAVE ONE MORE ITEM.
UH, IT IS THE BUDGET TIME OF YEAR.
AS PART OF THAT, THE COUNTY IS, WILL BE WORKING ON THE, UH, 10 YEAR CIP.
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DR.PROCE WAS OUR, UM, PERSON FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO SERVED ON THE CIP COMMITTEE FOR THE OVERALL COUNTY CIP COMMITTEE, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM COMMITTEE.
AND MR. MASSING ASKED IF, UM, ONE OF YOU ALL, UM, HOPEFULLY WOULD LIKE TO SERVE, UM, IN THAT ROLE ON THE CIP COMMITTEE.
UM, AND I HAVE SOME DATES OF WHEN WE, WE WOULD BE MEETING, UH, BASICALLY BETWEEN NOW AND NOW AND APRIL WE WOULD MEET, BE MEETING 1, 2, 4, 4 TIMES.
AND LET'S SEE, IN JANUARY WE WOULD MEET FROM 10 TO NOON, FEBRUARY NINE TO NOON, MARCH NINE TO NOON, AND, UM, AT THE END OF MARCH, NINE TO NOON.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMEONE FOR A ONE YEAR TERM BASICALLY FOR THIS? YES.
I MEAN, I DON'T MIND DOING IT.
I'LL JUST THROW MY NAME OUT THERE IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO, WANTS IT BAD ENOUGH, Y'ALL HAVE IT.
BUT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT THIS YEAR, I, I'D LIKE TO PUT MY NAME IN A HAT MAYBE NEXT YEAR.
WELL THAT'S ASSUMING I GET REAPPOINTED, I MIGHT NOT MAKE IT.
IS THAT, DOES THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN A MOTION? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO THAT YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE HAVING A MEETING ON THIS DAY.
AS LONG AS THIS CONSENSUS WILL BE.
THANK YOU HUDY FOR DOING THAT FOR US.
I TOOK, WE'LL TAKE IT THIS TIME.
YOU TAKE IT FOR THE TEAM THIS TIME.
GOOD LEADERS, GOOD LEADERSHIP.
I WAS GOING TO TELL Y'ALL, SINCE I'M IN A LOT OF THEIR MEETINGS ALREADY, I WOULD DO IT FOR US, BUT I'M GLAD YOU TAKEN IT.
I GET UP THAT EARLY MS. CHAIR.
WE HAVE ANOTHER, ACTUALLY WE HAVE TWO MORE CASES THAT WE WILL HEAR IN FEBRUARY MORE THAN LIKELY.
UM, WE HAVE ONE, UM, THERE'S AN IN, UH, A FAMILY WHO OWNS TWO ACRE PARCEL OUT IN THE A TWO AREA.
IT SOMEHOW MR. ROBINSON AND I CANNOT FIGURE OUT IT'S OWNED R ONE.
UM, AND IT'S, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT ROAD.
I THINK IT MIGHT, IT'S EITHER OFF A TRANQUILITY ROAD MAYBE.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING COM.
THEY DO HAVE SOME, UM, ANIMALS ON THE PROPERTY AND EV YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED A TWO.
EVERYTHING AROUND THEM IS A TWO.
I DON'T, WE CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW IT WAS REZONED TO R ONE.
UM, WHAT PART OF TRANQUILITY? I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ON, I THINK IT'S ON TRANQUILITY, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE.
UM, I, BUT I'M SAYING IF IT'S DOWN THERE NEXT TO THAT BOBCAT SECTION, ALL THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY WHEN THE HAWS WANTED TO BUILD THEM HOUSES AND STUFF IN THERE.
WELL, I I GOT A DUMB QUESTION.
IF YOU'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT, WHAT'S THE ZONING CHANGE GONNA DO TO, TO ELIMINATE THE COMPLAINTS THEREBY RIGHT.
HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE ANIMALS THERE.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT'S THE, PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING THEY JUST WON'T HAVE THE BASIS FOR COMPLAINT ANYMORE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S STILL GONNA BE UNHAPPY PEOPLE, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY DID THAT REZONING.
AND IF IT'S IN THAT END, YEAH, I'M NOT, NOT POSITIVE.
AND WHAT'S THE OTHER CASE? THE OTHER CASE IS, UH, SHOOTING RANGE OFF OF REESE ROAD, SOUTHEAST DENWITTY COUNTY.
UM, IT'S A PAR YOU SAY REESE? R-E-E-S-E MM-HMM
UM, WE HAVEN'T ADVERTISED OR ANYTHING YET.
THEY HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PER SHOOTING RANGE.
SO, UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT.
WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE PROPOSED USE.
UM, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
AND PROBABLY WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT IN FEBRUARY AS WELL.
WILL THEY HAVE TIME TO GET IT ADVERTISED BY THEN? YES.
DO YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR THAT? I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GO LOOK AT IT, BUT I WAIT, I I WILL EMAIL IT TO ALL OF YOU.
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I JUST DIDN'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE MUST BE BEFORE.YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT CLOSE NAMES.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE, WHEN WE USED TO HAVE THE SLIDING SCALE ZONING WHERE WE ALLOWED TWO THREE ACRE PARCEL AND THE REST HAD TO BE 20.
WELL THIS IS ON ALONG REESE ROAD.
THERE'S PROBABLY 10 20 ACRE PARCELS.
AND OVER TIME OF COURSE, PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT THOSE AND UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR RESIDENCES THERE.
AND ONE OF THESE 20 ACRE PARCELS IS WHERE THEY WANT TO DO THE SHOOTING RANGE.
IS IT PUBLIC SHOOTING AND OR, OR OUTDOOR.
PUBLIC OUTDOOR, PUBLIC SHOOTING RANGE.
THEY'LL HAVE ONE SHORT RANGE ON THE F ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE ONE THAT I THINK THEY SAID FOR LONGER RANGE.
I THINK THEY SAID IT WAS 300 FEET, I BELIEVE, FOR TARGETS.
SO MAYBE IF IT ENTICES PEOPLE TO USE THAT INSTEAD OF EACH OTHER,
HUH? MR.
BUT IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SHOOTING RANGES? NOT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ACTUALLY.
UM, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, WE HAVE OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL USE AND THAT'S WHERE HE'S CLASSIFYING A SHOOTING RANGE AS AN OUT OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL USE UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND WHAT, WHAT ZONE IS THIS IN? A TWO AGRICULTURAL CAN A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL SHOOT? YES.
AND THEY HAVE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS DOING THAT ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BOUGHT IT AND THEY'VE BEEN USING IT, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES.
UM, BUT NOW, NOW THEY WANT TO HAVE OPEN A PUBLIC PUBLIC RANGE.
SO HOW DO YOU DEFINE A PRIVATE RANGE? WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? PRIVATE IS JUST FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY FRIENDS, FAMILY.
WELL, MY MY POINT IS, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAID MR. PRO BEING ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THING, UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING IN A WHILE, BUT I WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER ON THE FIREARM SAFETY COMMITTEE.
AND I REMEMBER THE BIG ISSUE WE HAD WITH THOSE MEETINGS WAS, WAS MOSTLY NOISE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT I MEAN, MY POINT IS, IF YOU OWN A TWO, IT'S YOU DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
AND I MEAN, I I, THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU WHAT IT'S PRIVATE.
I HAVE A, YOU LOOK AT A SATELLITE IMAGE IN MY PROPERTY, YOU'LL SEE MY RANGE.
BUT THE ISSUE IS ABOUT, IN MY MIND, IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE AND HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING SAFELY.
BUT I WAS THINKING THAT UNFORTUNATELY, AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT A THREE ACRE LOT, IF IT'S AN A TWO, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY STOPPING YOU TILL YOU START TAKING MONEY FROM PEOPLE COMING OUT.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT.
'CAUSE THE PUBLIC THING CHANGES EVERYTHING TO ME.
I WAS JUST, Y'ALL CAN CLEAR STONE THAT MAKE YOU WANT TO, BUT, UH, UH, WAY I LIVE A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS NOT ANTICON WHEN I COMMENT THIS IS THAT I'VE GOT PEOPLE MOVE TO THE COUNTRY AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT, THEY STARTED SHOOTING.
BUT ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON, THAT SAME TRAVELS A LONG, LONG WAY AND EVERYTHING.
BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT SOME, SOME PEOPLE DO IT SAFE WITH A BERM AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, BUT I GOT SOME LES THAT SHOOT ACROSS MY FIELD.
IT'S A PIECE OF PLYWOOD UP AND IT, IT'S A 10 AC APPEAL BEHIND IT, YOU KNOW? AND IT, I KNOW SUSSEX IN SEVERAL COUNTIES HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.
I KNOW IT'S A, HOW CAN I SAY IT? UH, A SUBJECT THAT GIVES PEOPLE IMPASSIONED.
BUT I THOUGHT, MAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND THAT NAME OF DOING IT, BUT I'D RATHER FOR 'EM NOT BE SHOOTING ACROSS MY FIELD.
WELL, THEY SHOULD VERY OF ALL.
I KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING THAT STOPS THEM.
KIND OF LIKE WHAT? DAMN, I DOUBT IT'S ANYTHING IN STOP.
I GOT TO BELIEVE THERE'S SOMETHING TO KEEP YOU FROM SHOOTING ACROSS SOMEBODY ELSE.
IF WE PUT, DO YOU HAVE A NO SING SIGN OUT? DO I? MM-HMM
THE ONLY THING CLOSE TO THAT'S AN OCCUPIED DWELLING.
SO HOW, HOW DOES THE GUY GOT THE ONE OVER THERE ON TRANQUILITY LANE? I MEANT TRAN UH, EXCUSE ME, TRINITY TRACTOR.
HE'S GOT A SIGN IN HIS FRONT YARD SAYS FIREARM TRAINING.
AND I MEAN, HE'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO EVERYBODY.
HE HE'S ONLY ALLOWED TO DO THE FIREARMS TRAINING.
THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T ACTUALLY SHOOT, THEY SHOOT
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NOW IT JUST TRAINING.THEY HAD, THEY SHOOT WELL THEY SHOULDN'T.
YEAH, WE GO THE HAMBURGERS BECAUSE THE WAY HE BUILT HIS BURN.
THIS LADY'S HOUSE RIGHT THROUGH THE WOODS.
HIS WHAT? THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT BEHIND HIM.
OH, I THINK I KNOW THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING.
HE'S, HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO SHOOT AS PART OF HIS FIREARMS TRAINING.
AND, AND GUYS I LIKE TO SHOOT TOO.
AGAINST SHOOTING, BUT YOU KNOW, I WAS IN MY HOUSE Y THE OTHER NIGHT AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY DO DO.
NORMALLY WE THOUGHT IT WAS FOR PICKET BECAUSE IT RATTLED THE WINDOWS.
IT WAS ENOUGH THAT MY NEIGHBOR CALLED ME AND SAID, MAN, DID YOU HEAR THAT? IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS BEHIND YOUR HOUSE.
THE GUY SHOT A HALF A CAN OF TITE.
IT SOUNDED, I MEAN IT WAS, IT WAS BAD.
LIKE I SAID, WE WENT TO CALLING EACH OTHER.
SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO IT.
RIGHT? IS COULD IT BE A NUISANCE AND EVERYTHING.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO PUT SILENCES ON THE, ON THE WEAPONS? YES.
BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE LEGAL PROCESS TO GET THAT DONE.
TO OWN A, IT'S A 200 TAX STAND.
AND THE PURCHASE OF THE SILENCER ITSELF.
AND THEN YOU HAVE, IT GOES IN FRONT OF, IT'S JUST LIKE GETTING AN FFL LICENSE.
IT GOES IN FRONT OF A BOARD OF PEOPLE AND IT GETS APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED.
WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR THAT.
BUT OUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T LIKE IT WHEN YOU CAN'T HEAR IT.
WHEN YOU HEAR IT, IT'S TOO LATE.
IT'S ONE OF THE PROS AND CONS.
AND THAT'S WHY IF YOU HEAR IT, YOU'RE STILL ALIVE.
HE CAN GET AWAY WITH, HE SHOOT YOU IN YOUR YARD AND NOBODY NEVER, I GOT THEY SHOT YOU.
WELL WHAT I LEAN ON AND TOLD MR. BASSETT, THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT MR. TUCKER WAS SAYING ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO JUST REMIND Y'ALL, Y'ALL WERE YOU, IT, IT, TO ME THAT'S A TOUGH ISSUE BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THE SAFETY AND YOU GOT THE NOISE ISSUE.
AND UNLESS YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF LAND WITH NOBODY NEARBY, IT'S REALLY KIND OF TOUGH.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO HAVE WHEN WE HAD THE FIREARMS SAFETY COMMITTEE ISSUES.
AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN TO QUITE A FEW OUTDOOR PUBLIC RANGES AND THEY HAVE EVERY BIT OF 15 TO 20 FOOT BERMS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE AREA YOU SHOOT IN SO THAT, THAT NOISE GOES UP.
AND WELL, WELL, SPEAKING TO THAT, JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.
WELL, AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS CASE, WELL, TO ME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUGHT TO BE A PART OF THIS IS, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IT RAISES, RISES TO AN ORDINANCE OR NOT, BUT I DO THINK THAT TOPOGRAPHY AND EVERYTHING IN THE LOCATION AND A BERM OF SOME SORT, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I DID THIS IN THE AIR FORCE A LONG TIME AGO, BELIEVE ME, I, I HAD A PROGRAM WHERE I HAD, UH, I HAD TO BUILD BERMS FOR 30 MILLIMETER DEPLETED URANIUM ROUNDS.
AND THOSE THINGS ARE KIND OF CRAZY.
BUT MY POINT IS, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME ENGINEERING BEHIND THAT AS TO, BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE TYPE OF WEAPON WE USE AS TO WHAT TALL THAT BERM SHOULD BE.
AND I, IT'LL, I'M NOT SAYING WE OUGHT TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON THAT, BUT WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING, WE SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE THAT UNLESS WE HAVE SOME KIND OF, OF, OF SOME KIND OF TECHNICAL, UH, TECHNICAL ADVICE TO GO ALONG WITH IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE CONSIDERED AS STAFF OR NOT WHEN TALKING TO THEM.
UH, WE HAVE NOT AT THIS POINT, BUT WE CERTAINLY WILL NOW.
I KNOW WHEN I WAS, I DON'T HAVE A BERM RIGHT NOW FOR, FOR WHERE I DO MOST OF MY STUFF, BUT IT, THE TERRAIN IS VERY, IT KEEPS LIKE EVERYTHING ON MY PROPERTY.
BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THIS RECENTLY AND I WANTED TO GO IN, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT GETTING RAILROAD TIES AND, AND REINFORCING STEEL AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE SAFE.
UM, I I THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S ANY CASE LIKE THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD WANT TO HEAR THEM SAY AND NOT JUST SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, IT'S OKAY.
NO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW ALL THE ASPECTS.
BUT THEY SAID THAT YOUNG LADY THAT WAS IN THE MEDIA THAT JUST GOT KILLED, SHE WAS IN A TREE STAND AND A STRAY BULLET.
ONE STRAY BULLET HIT HER IN THE HEAD AND KILLED HER.
THEY FOUND HER SITTING IN THE TREE STINK.
SHE DIDN'T COME OUT FROM HUNTING 18 YEARS OLD.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I QUIT SQUIRREL HUNTING THAT IN WEST VIRGINIA.
THAT, THAT JUST HAPPENED LAST WEEK.
I QUIT SQUIRREL HUNTING IN WEST VIRGINIA BECAUSE OF THAT.
WALKING ACROSS THE TOP OF THE RIDGE.
IT'S ABOUT FIRING FROM DOWN UNDER, SHOOTING UP.
ARE I ANOTHER QUESTION, ARE WE COM ARE YOU, ARE YOU COMMITTED TO HAVING THAT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE SOLAR? 'CAUSE I CAN JUST SEE THAT BEING A LONG, LONG NIGHT.
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SOME FACTUAL INFORMATION AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF STUFF, SHUT IT DOWN QUICK.IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN, YOU TELL 'EM, I ADVISE YOU NOT TO COME IN FRONT OF 'EM UNTIL YOU GOT EVERYTHING IN ORDER LIKE YOU WANT IT.
AND IF THEY DO, THAT'S LIKE I SAID, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY NO.
BECAUSE AS I INDICATED, UM, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CALLING THE BOARD MEMBERS.
SO I KNOW WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC INPUT AT, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF YOU DON'T COME RIGHT, THEY CAN GO DO IT AGAIN.
SO YOU HAVE AN INSIDE FACILITY.
HOW IS THAT ASSESS APPROPRIATE? WELL, THEY CAN MAKE THEM BOROUGH, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET A CUP BUT AS YOU SAID, YEAH, THIS, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE INSIDE.
BUT THIS, THIS IS DEFINITELY OUTDOORS.
BECAUSE THEY AIN'T IN INDOOR RANGE.
AND I WOULD SAY TO EVERYBODY HERE, THE BURDEN ON IS ON THEM.
NOT FOR US TO KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS TILL THEY COME UP WITH THE RIGHT ANSWER.
THE BURDEN'S ON THEM TO GIVE US EVERYTHING UP FRONT.
AND IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA, YOU THINK IT SHOULD, THAT SHOULD BE THE WAY YOU FEEL AND WAY YOU VOTE ON THAT.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE A SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UM, IS IT, AND I NEED TO ASK YOU GUYS A QUESTION SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GUNS.
IS THERE A FIRING RANGE IN MATOKA BEHIND THE FIRE STATION? I KNOW THERE'S A GOVERNMENT FIRING RANGE OFF OF THE ROAD.
LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING UH, TEMPLE AVENUE INTO HOPEWELL OFF TO THE SIDE, WHERE, IS IT THE FEDERAL PRISON OR IS IT JUST RIVERSIDE? RIVERSIDE BACK IN THERE.
NO, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE MATOKA ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
DARREN RIGHT ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
NO, I DIDN'T, NOT FROM, FROM WHERE I LIVE.
I LIVE ON ONE SIDE OF APPOMATTOX AND I CAN HEAR GUNFIRE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF APPOMATTOX.
THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S JUST PROBABLY SOME ROUNDING SHOOTING LIKE WHEN YOU HERE ALL THE TIME.
'CAUSE I, I'M NOT AWARE OF ONE NEITHER SIR.
NOW I DO KNOW THERE'S A HUNT CLUB OVER THERE THAT EVERY NOW AND THEN HOLDS A TURKEY SHOOT.
BUT, UM, THEY GOT SOME LAND ON THERE WHERE THEY NORMALLY HOLD THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY FIRING ARRANGEMENT THERE.
IS IS GOLD? WELL I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN.
YOU GO INTO MATOKA OFF THE BRIDGE.
UP TO THE FIRE STATION, TURN LEFT.
GO UP AND TAKE THE FIRST RIGHT AS YOU GO DOWN THAT ROAD, STO ROAD.
AND THEN OFF MITOKA ROAD IS A TURKEY CHUTE THERE.
I I KNOW THERE WAS ONE OVER THERE.
THIS, THIS IS COMING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.
NOT THAT I'M GONNA LAY OFF HERE ALL HERE TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK.
ARE YOU GONNA MAKE ME TAKE A DRIVE THROUGH THERE? ME.
I MEAN, I'M AN AVID SHOOTER AND I KNOW MOST PLACES THAT HAVE RANGES.
AND I LOOK AND SEEK THOSE THINGS JUST FOR SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT TO GO EVERY NOW AND THEN.
I FEEL LIKE I WOULD'VE HEARD SOMETHING.
I HEAR, I HEAR SHOOTING A LOT.
WAS IT, YOU SAID MITE MAKES A NOISE.
IS THAT WHAT WENT OFF? BECAUSE YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A COMPOUND.
YOU IN BINARY COMPOUND YOU PUT TOGETHER.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU CAN DROP IT, YOU CAN THROW IT, BUT THE SHOCK OF A HIGH IMPACT OF A BULLET WILL CAUSE IT TO MAKE THAT HUGE NOISE.
I THOUGHT MY HOUSE SHOOK AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT IN THE WORLD I KNEW THEY WASN'T BLASTED AT THE QUARRY.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING IT AIN'T FUN, BUT, BUT I'M SITTING THERE WATCHING TV AND THE WINDOWS ROUND THE BOOM WENT OFF AND NO SOONER THE BOOM WENT OFF.
HE SAID, MAN, WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THAT? I SAID, IT WASN'T ME.
AND WE WENT TO CHECK HIM AND THE GUY BEHIND US, UH, BACK DOWN ON THE FARM, HE CALLED HIM.
HE SAID, YEAH, HE HAD SOME FRIENDS OVER THERE AND THEY HAD SHOT THE CAMERA.
WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE SHOOTING THINGS LIKE THAT OUT THERE AND ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT.
PEOPLE JUST THINK IT'S WHETHER YOU CAN ALLOW SOMEBODY TO COME OUT THERE AND SHOOT AND IT'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED THAN THAT.
WELL, AND AND IF HE'S GOING TO OPEN SOMETHING THIS BIG, I'M ALMOST AGREEING WITH YOU, MR. CHAIR, THAT HE GONNA BE CHARGING PEOPLE TO USE HIS RANGE.
I DON'T THINK HE'S JUST GONNA ALLOW PEOPLE TO
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COME OUT THERE AND SHOOT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE THAT GUY ON TRINITY CHURCH, HE'S CHARGING PEOPLE TO TEACH A CLASS.HE'S MAKING MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH, HE IS.
AND I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY OUTDOOR.
YOU GOT SOME NEIGHBORS AROUND THAT HE'LL TELL YOU OUTDOOR SHOOTING RELATED TO THE TRAINING.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HE'S GOING TO TELL YOU.
HE, HE SHOOTS, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE, TO THE LIT POND SITUATION.
UM, THE LAST TIME I DID HAVE SOME DISTANT RELATIVES WHO, UH, HAD SOME PROPERTY INVOLVED IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PROCESS.
AND I, I DID AT THE TIME ABSTAIN OR VOTE.
SO IF THAT'S STILL THE CASE, IS IT OKAY FOR ME TO ABSTAIN? SIR, IF YOU FEEL IT'S A CONFLICT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
I WOULD ABSTAIN FROM IT IF I WAS YOU.
IT'D BE TO YOUR ADVANTAGE AT LEAST.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WOULD LOVE TO USE SOMETHING AGAINST YOU IF THEY WANT.
BUT THE GOOD THING IS HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL, WE'RE JUST A RECOMMENDING BODY.
WE ARE NOT ENACTING ANYTHING TO HAPPEN.
WHICH BECOMES VERY APPARENT WHEN WE DO A LOT OF WORK AND THEN IT JUST GETS SHOT DOWN.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW BEFORE TIME.
ANYTHING ELSE? SEE YOU CAN ALWAYS, THAT WAS CHAIR.
THAT'LL GIVE US A REASON, UH, TO NULLIFY WHATEVER WE DO.