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ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIR, WE'RE READY.[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THIS BEING THE TIME AND THE PLACE FOR THE APRIL COMMISSIONER MEETING, I CALL IT TO ORDER IF YOU STAND AND SAY A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE.I PLEDGE ALLEG TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND, AND TO REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS? NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
ALL ROLL CALL PLEASE, MR. CUNNINGHAM.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
HAVE THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THIS EVENING'S MEETING.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES NEEDED TO BE MADE TO THE AGENDA? UH, STAFF HAS NO CHANGES.
A MOTION TO MOVE TO, TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
MR. MR. MR. MR. SIMMONS? I'M SORRY.
I'M JUST HA I'M HAVING A MOMENT.
SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING AYE.
UH, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO CITIZEN COMMENT, KNOW MR. CHAIR, KNOW WHAT IS, IS THERE ANY ONE OF THE FOUR OF Y'ALL SITTING OUT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO CITIZEN COMMENTS THIS EVENING?
IF NOT, I CLOSE CITIZEN CO OPEN AND CLOSE IT AND
[6. SUBDIVISION PLAT REVIEW]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SUBDIVISION PLAT REVIEW.UH, WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING TONIGHT UNDER OUR PLAT REVIEW ITEM UNDER THE AGENDA IS THE FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
UH, THIS IS WE REFER TO AS THE VALENCIA JONES SUBDIVISION, AS SHE'S THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT, WHO YOU ALL MAY REMEMBER, YOU RECENTLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF A REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO THE R ONE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
AND NOW, AS WE STATED IN THAT, AS WE WENT THROUGH THAT CASE, UH, MS. JONES IS PREPARED TO, UH, DIVIDE THE PROPERTY, UM, FOR A SMALL, UH, WHAT WE KIND OF REFER TO AS A MINOR SUBDIVISION, THE FOUR LOTS.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE REZONING CASE.
UM, ONE UNIQUE ITEM RELATED TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS THAT SHE'S SHOWING A, UH, ONE ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN AS YOU GO INTO THE PROPERTY, UH, THE ACCESS TO THE FOUR LOTS WOULD BRANCH OFF OF THAT, UH, ONE ENTRANCE.
UH, WE DID TAKE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
ONLY COMMENTS WE RECEIVED WERE FROM BO RELATED TO THE ENTRANCE.
UM, THEY'RE JUST RECOMMENDING THAT THEY HAVE A LOW VOLUME COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE, WHICH WOULD BE A, UM, BASICALLY A 30 FOOT WIDE PAVED ENTRANCE, UH, AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION.
AND, UM, THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT MAINTENANCE OF THE, UM, NOT JUST THE ACCESS PORTION OF THE ROAD, BUT THE, THE ENTRANCE THAT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, BE INCLUDED IN ANY MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AS PART OF MAINTAINING THE, THE COMMON ACCESS ROAD INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER RELATED COMMENTS TO IT.
UM, JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE RELATED TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
ANY COMMENTS? THE STRUCTURES THAT ALREADY EXIST, ARE THEY GONNA BE TORN DOWN OR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THEM? UM, YEAH, I'M SORRY.
SO DID YOU HEAR IT? YEAH, THEY ARE GONNA BE TORN DOWN IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY.
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ALRIGHT.ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON.
[7. FY 2025-2034 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN]
IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.UH, MY NAME'S KEVIN MASSEN, GO COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HERE FOR DE WITTY COUNTY.
AND IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE A, A LARGE, UH, SHEET OF PAPER THAT'S TITLED COUNTY OF DE WITTY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
AND IT'S FOR THE, IT'S A DRAFT AND IT'S FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, UH, 25 IN WHICH WE'RE PLANNING FOR, UH, AS WELL AS GOING TO 2034, WHICH IS THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD THAT, UM, THAT WE NOW PLAN FOR.
UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, IN IN YEARS PAST, I'VE, I'VE COME BEFORE YOU TO TALK THROUGH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE STATE CODE OF VIRGINIA, THE, THE CODE REFLECTS THAT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD REVIEW THE, UH, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN OF THE COUNTY EACH YEAR.
UM, AND TALKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY EARLIER TODAY, ULTIMATELY, WE DON'T USUALLY, UH, OFFICIALLY ACT, UH, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE FOR US IF IT, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS COMFORTABLE.
WE DID HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, MR. TUSS, THAT HAS SERVED ON OUR CIP WORKING GROUP, UH, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS.
SO HE'S KIND OF BEEN YOUR REPRESENTATIVE THROUGH THIS.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF, IF YOU WISH TO, UH, TO FORMALLY ACT, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY JUST BE A, A MOTION, AGAIN, IF YOU EVER LIKE TO APPROVE IT AS RECOMMENDED OR, UM, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO, TO APPROVE.
UM, AND IF THERE'S ANY MODIFICATIONS OR CHANGES, WE WANNA HEAR THAT, THAT TONIGHT AS WELL.
SO, FOR MR. LANGLEY, 'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S KIND OF BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CIP, BUT FOR THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN YEARS PAST, I KNOW THAT WE'VE EXPLAINED THAT, THAT TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO, WE GET ALL THE, THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY, UM, TALK TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMIT THEIR PROJECTS.
AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, UP UNTIL THIS YEAR, MS. HOWTON AND I, UH, MAYBE SOME HELP WITH MARK BASSETT AND TAMMY COLLINS, BUT MAINLY MS. UH, MS. HOWTON AND I WOULD DEVELOP THE CIP.
UH, THAT'S REALLY NOT THE WAY THAT A CIP PROBABLY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED.
AND IT, IT'S HEAVILY ROOTED INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WITH THE UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN THIS YEAR, WE, WE DECIDED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMALIZED IN OUR APPROACH.
SO THIS YEAR WE STARTED IN, IN FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 13TH, WE FORMED A CIP, UH, WORKING GROUP.
AND WITH THAT WORKING GROUP, UM, WHICH HAD ABOUT 26, 27 PEOPLE, UH, 10 OF THOSE PEOPLE WE CONSIDERED TO BE VOTING MEMBERS.
AND SO THE PLAN BEFORE YOU TODAY ACTUALLY WAS, WAS VETTED AND VOTED ON AND COLLABORATED WITH BY, BY THAT WORKING GROUP.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, GO THROUGH WHO'S ON THAT THAT ACTUALLY MADE THE, THE VOTING, UH, MEMBERSHIP.
UH, SO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, WE HAD, UM, UH, DUCK ADAMS OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE, AND WILLIAM KNOT WAS THE ONE WHO REPRESENTED THE SHERIFF MAJOR KNOT.
WE HAD CHIEF DENNIS HALE WITH FIRE AND EMS FROM THE EDUCATION SECTOR.
CARRIE WESTON, SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS.
UH, FROM PLANNING, WE HAD MARK BASSETT, OF COURSE, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, FINANCE AND GENERAL SERVICES.
WE HAD ANN HOWERTON, WHO'S DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, TAMMY COLLINS FOR PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHO'S OUR OTHER DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAD YOUR CHAIRMAN, MR. HUTUS, UH, FROM THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
WE HAD, UH, ROBERT SPIERS, WHO WAS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT, IDA FROM THE NEE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.
WE HAD, UH, EDDIE PEARSON, WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THERE.
AND THEN FROM THE COUNTY AIRPORT, WE HAD JEREMY LTZ, WHO IS THE AIRPORT MANAGER, AND THEN THAT'S 10 PEOPLE.
IF WE EVER GOT TO A POINT THAT WE NEEDED A TIE BREAKER, I SAID I COULD BE THAT TIE BREAKER.
WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE TO VOTE BECAUSE MOST OF THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE WERE COLLABORATIVE, AND IT WORKED OUT EXTREMELY WELL.
SO AFTER WE DETERMINED WHO THE VOTING MEMBERS WERE THIS YEAR, WE DECIDED TO, AND AGAIN, DO A COMPLETE INVENTORY OF ALL OF OUR ASSETS.
AND SO FROM THE, THE COUNTY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS THE SCHOOLS.
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US, JEFF WALTERS, WHO IS, IS BEHIND ME.JEFF IS THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR DO COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
UM, AND I'M GONNA INTRODUCE HIM A LITTLE BIT LATER TOO, BUT HE DID A PHENOMENAL JOB THIS YEAR IN WORKING THIS, UM, THIS CIP WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND I THINK BROUGHT A LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM AND DEPTH THAT, THAT, THAT HAS REALLY BEEN NEEDED AND DID A PHENOMENAL JOB.
UH, BUT WE LOOKED AT OUR ASSETS, WE LOOKED AT OUR PROPERTIES, WE LOOKED AT EQUIPMENT THAT WE OWN, WE LOOKED AT THE FLEET AS IT RELATES TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDINGS, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNTY AND SCHOOLS HAVE.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT YOUR CIP, IT NEEDS TO BE ALL ENCOMPASSING OF THAT.
SO AT OUR VERY FIRST MEETING, WE STARTED TO LOOK AT PROJECTS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
AND SO WE JUST WANTED THE STATUS UPDATE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT I BROUGHT BEFORE YOU LAST YEAR.
UM, AFTER THAT, WE STARTED LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THIS SHEET, UM, WHETHER IT WAS IN FY 25 OR WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE LAST YEAR OF, UH, FY 34.
SO WE WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE, UH, PROJECT THROUGH THAT ENTIRE CIP THAT TOOK A COUPLE MEETINGS FOR US TO DO THAT.
AND IN MARCH WE ALSO, IN MARCH, WE BROUGHT IN THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL ADVISORS.
AND SO THAT'S DAVENPORT AND COMPANY.
THEY LOOKED AT OUR CIP AND YOU'LL SEE UNDER THIS ESTIMATED PROJECT COST, THE THE TWO SOLID LINES, IF YOU CARRY THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, YOU'LL SEE A $220 MILLION PRICE TAG TO THAT.
SO DAVENPORT LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID THAT THE CAPACITY OF THE COUNTY WOULD BE SUCH THAT YOU COULD DO $220 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS, BUT IT WOULD BE COINCIDED WITH, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU GO BUY A HOUSE AND YOU, YOU, THEY, YOU THINK ABOUT BASED ON THE INCOME THAT YOU HAVE COMING IN, HOW MUCH OF A HOUSE YOU COULD AFFORD VERSUS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY START LOOKING AT YOUR EXPENSES, THE, THE TYPE OF HOUSE THAT YOU COULD AFFORD.
SO THE CAPACITY MAY BE ONE THING, BUT YOUR AFFORDABILITY COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.
THE CAPACITY WOULD BE THERE TO DO THE $220 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO COINCIDE WITH THE 67 CENT TAX INCREASE.
AND SO THEN WE RECOGNIZED THAT, WELL, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DO THIS AMOUNT OF PROJECTS WITH THE $67 MILLION TAX, UM, 67 CENT TAX INCREASE.
SO THEN WE ASKED DAVENPORT, WELL OVER THIS PERIOD OF TIME, FROM F FFY 25 TO 34, WHAT REASONABLY COULD YOU DO WITHOUT RAISING TAXES? AND SO EACH YEAR WHEN WE PAY OFF SOME OF OUR DEBT, THAT CREATES A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO DO ADDITIONAL PROJECTS.
AND WE SAID, IF Y'ALL WERE TO LOOK AT THAT, WHAT COULD WE REALISTICALLY DO? AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT 10 YEARS, UH, PERSPECTIVE, YOU, YOU COULD DO SOMEWHERE AROUND 80 MILLION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HATE FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE A FEEL FROM THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH.
UM, SO INITIALLY WHEN THIS NUMBER, THIS TWO 20 WAS ACTUALLY CLOSE TO TWO 50, AND THE REASON FOR THAT WAS, IS THAT WE, WE ACTUALLY HAD INCORPORATED INTO THAT THE, THE, THE THINGS THAT I TALKED TO YOU ALL ABOUT LAST YEAR, MR. LANGLEY, YOU'LL, YOU CAN RES AND I THINK UNDERSTAND THIS TOO.
WE'VE GOT EVERY YEAR, EVERY, REGARDLESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SCHOOL, BUSES, POLICE CARS, AND AMBULANCES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE.
AND IN SOME BIG YEARS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE BIGGER APPARATUS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE.
BUT REMEMBER LAST YEAR I WAS, WHEN I CAME TO YOU, I SAID, LOOK, IF WE, IF WE JUST DO NOTHING BUT REPLACE THAT YEAR OVER YEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT $2 MILLION A YEAR TO DO THAT.
SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO 2 MILLION A YEAR.
AND SO WHAT ONE OF THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE WORKING GROUP WAS, IS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE OUT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, AT LEAST FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, 'CAUSE THAT IF IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE EVERY YEAR, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH IN THE OPERATING BUDGET.
REMEMBER, REOCCURRING REVENUES SHOULD PAY FOR REOCCURRING EXPENSES.
ONE TIME REVENUES REALLY SHOULD SUPPORT YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM.
AND SO WE, WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT THAT EXERCISE, THE, THE PULLOUT.
SO WHAT WE DID, WE KEPT, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE SOME LARGER APPARATUS STILL BEING IN THE PLAN.
BUT WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO AT THE DIRECTION OF THIS GROUP WAS TO PULL OUT ALL OF THOSE, AGAIN, SCHOOL BUSES, POLICE CARS, SHERIFF'S OFFICE VEHICLES, UM, AND WHAT WAS THE THIRD? AMBULANCE? AMBULANCES.
AMBULANCES, JUST AMBULANCES, RIGHT? NOT THE OTHER, NOT THE OTHER PIECES.
SO IF I DO THAT IN, IN FY 25, YOU'LL SEE, UM, WELL YOU, YOU, WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A BIG IMPACT TO THAT, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WHEN IT COMES TO SCHOOL BUSES OR DOING A TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO THEY ASKED US TO KIND OF HOLD UP ON, ON SCHOOL BUS REPLACEMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR YEAR.
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AMBULANCES, WE ALREADY HAD A NATURAL BREAK IN, IN AMBULANCES THIS, THIS PARTICULAR YEAR.NOW YOU WILL SEE THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE PAGE LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES.
YOU WILL SEE THE SIX, THE 280 FOR THAT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT SOME OF THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE.
SO IN FY 26, THIS ISN'T ON YOUR SHEET, BUT ON FY 26, WE WOULD NEED OPERATIONALLY NOT FOR THE CIP 1.6 MILLION, AND IN 26, WE WOULD NEED 1.6 MILLION IN 27, 1 0.4 MILLION IN 28, 29, 1 0.5 MILLION.
AND, AND IT IS 1.5 TO 1.6 MILLION ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE CIP.
THE ACTUAL AVERAGE OF THAT IS, IS GONNA BE AROUND THAT 1.5 NUMBER.
SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT TO SAY THAT THIS CIP THAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU, YOU'RE ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING THESE AGAIN, AMBULANCES, POLICE CARS, SCHOOL BUSES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THAT HERE.
IF WE GET TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT FOR THIS YEAR, BUT FOR NEXT YEAR, IF WE CAN'T FIND REOCCURRING REVENUES FOR THAT, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE CIP.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK FROM WHAT THE CIP WORKING GROUP IS LOOKING AT, LOOK, THIS IS REALLY CHOKING YOUR ABILITY TO DO OTHER BRICKS AND MORTAR PROJECTS BECAUSE OF ALL THIS OTHER, OTHER ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SO AFTER WE KIND OF GOT OUR HEADS AROUND THE, THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THIS, UM, WE, AGAIN, I THINK I MENTIONED WE, WE SAT DOWN AND, AND LISTENED TO EVERY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS.
BUT WHAT WE ASKED EVERYONE TO DO WAS TO, TO LOOK AT, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THIS YEAR.
YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER BOLD LINE, UM, IN BETWEEN FY 29 AND FY 30.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO THIS YEAR, I, I WANTED THE CIP TO BE REALISTIC.
AND SO WITH YOUR, UM, FY 25, THEN MY DIRECTION TO THE CIP GROUP WAS THEN THAT'S URGENT.
THOSE ITEMS ARE URGENT AND THEY NEED TO BE FUNDED IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.
FY 26 AND 27 ARE CONSIDERED HIGH PRIORITIES.
AND THEN FY 28 AND 29 ARE CONSIDERED TO BE MEDIUM PRIORITIES.
AND THEN FROM FY 30 TO 34, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KINDA LIKE YOUR PLANNING YEARS BASED ON INFORMATION.
THEY CAN MOVE, THEY COULD BE PUT INTO THAT, THAT URGENT HIGH OR MEDIUM CATEGORY, UH, IF NEED BE.
BUT WE WANTED TO PLAN FOR THEM, BUT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY SHOWING THEM, UH, BEING REALISTICALLY FUNDED IN BETWEEN THE LINES 25 AND 29.
WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT'S REALISTIC.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT FY 29 AND YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE TANKER REPLACEMENTS AND FY 29 AT 1.4 MILLION, THEN REALISTICALLY WHEN WE GET TO FY 29, IT SHOULD BE IN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY REASONABLE UNLESS SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENS THAT WE SHOULD BE BUYING THOSE AND WE SHOULD HAVE A FINANCIAL PLAN TO DO THAT.
WHAT DIDN'T SEEM GENUINE WHEN WE FIRST GOT TO THIS IS THAT WHEN WE RECOGNIZED, YOU'LL SEE IN FY 30, WE'VE GOT 121 MILLION AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE, 121 MILLION WORTH OF IDENTIFIED PROJECTS.
WELL, I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU FROM OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR STANDPOINT, THEY THINK THE MAX CAPACITY IN 10 YEARS IS 80 MILLION.
SO I'M OKAY SHOWING THAT IN THE PLANNING YEARS, BUT WE'RE NOT SHOWING THAT REALISTICALLY IN FY 25 TO 29 BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE AFFORDABILITY TO DO THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AND MAYBE REFINE SOME OF THE NUMBERS AND BRING BACK SOME, SOME OTHER PROJECTS AND MAY.
AND WHAT THIS DOES IS US ALSO FORCE US TO LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AT OUR CIP.
SO, UM, WHERE WE ARE TODAY, I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH FY 25 AND THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT ARE JUST MENTIONED IN THAT, THAT AREA.
BUT AGAIN, I WANT YOU, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, I WANT YOU TO ALSO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO BOLDED LINES BETWEEN 25 AND 29.
'CAUSE REALISTICALLY WE THINK THERE'S THE ABILITY TO ACHIEVE THESE PROJECTS.
NOW, YOU'LL SEE NEXT YEAR IS A BIG YEAR, $8 MILLION IN THAT YEAR.
UM, OF THAT $8 MILLION, 3.3 MILLION IS SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ITEMS AT SOUTH SIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE, UM, AS YOU'LL SEE HERE, WE WE'VE GOT A MAJOR SYSTEM REPLACEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
SO THERE, THERE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A BORROW NEXT YEAR TO AFFORD SOME OF THAT.
'CAUSE THE COUNTY WOULDN'T HAVE THE CASH CAPABILITY OF DOING $8 MILLION IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR YEAR.
SO AGAIN, WE THINK THAT, I THINK THE, THE, THE WORKING GROUP FEELS LIKE 25 TO 29 BASED ON THE WAY IT'S BEEN STRUCTURED.
WE REALISTICALLY COULD DO THOSE PROJECTS, WHICH I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THE COMMITTEE, I
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KNOW, YOU KNOW, MARK AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT IT PREVIOUSLY, THAT THE COMMITTEE CAME TOGETHER.WE LOOKED AT THIS AND, AND WE'RE ABLE TO, TO WORK THROUGH, I MEAN, THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT TO PLAN OUT 10 YEARS WORTH OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND I THINK MR. TIPMAN PROBABLY WANTS TO ADD SOME COMMENTS TO THIS LATER.
BUT YOU START TO UNDERSTAND THE GROWTH AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY AND HOW THESE, THESE, UH, PROJECTS IMPACT THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT IT PRESENTLY IS.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS JUST QUICKLY KIND OF RUN THROUGH FY 25.
UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECTS IF YOU WISH, BUT, UM, WHAT I, I SAID TO MR. WALTERS TOO IS THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TRY TO STICK TO 25, BUT WE CAN KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE WHOLE PLAN IF YOU LIKE.
SO THE FIRST THING, AGAIN, HOW TO READ THIS THING.
SO YOU LOOK AT THE REQUESTER, RIGHT? THE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT BY WHICH A PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED UNDER THE PROJECT'S HEADING.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE, UH, QUALIFIER FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.
WHEN YOU SEE FY 20 FUND GENERAL FUND AND OTHER FUNDING, THAT'S JUST THE COUNTY'S MECHANISM BY WHICH WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT, THAT THIS PROJECT COULD BE FUNDED IF IT'S COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, UH, THAT'S LIKE THE RESERVE FUND OF THE COUNTY THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD PAY.
SO AT THE END OF EVERY YEAR, OUR REVENUE HOPEFULLY COMES IN BETTER THAN ANTICIPATED, AND OUR EXPENSES ARE NOT SPENT TO THEIR FULL EXPECTATION.
AND SO THAT FUND BALANCE GOES INTO YOUR, YOUR UN-DESIGNATED FUND, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT TRANSFER WOULD TAKE PLACE.
OTHER FUNDING COULD BE PROJECTS LEFT OVER FROM YEARS PAST THAT STILL THEY DIDN'T SPEND ALL THE MONEY.
UH, IT COULD BE GRANT MONEY, IT COULD BE SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVE FUNDING COULD BE, UH, IN MOST RECENT YEARS, CARES MONEY, ARPA FUNDS, THOSE TYPES OF GRANT MONIES, UM, OR FEDERAL FUNDING COULD BE, COULD BE A PART OF THAT.
SO THEN, THEN YOU GET TO THE ESTIMATED PROJECT COST.
THAT'S THE TWO BOLD LINES IN THE CENTER OF THE PAGE.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU GET TO THE REALISTIC EXPECTATION.
SAM, I KIND OF REFERRED TO IT AS A SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN AS IT USED TO BE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE ON THE PLAN, YOU COULD KIND OF COUNT YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, BEING, BEING IMPROVED DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THEN I WANT YOU TO THINK FY 31 IS JUST, IS JUST FOR PLANNING PURPOSES.
UM, NOW FOR THE PURPOSES OF PROFFERS, UH, PROFFERS WOULD BE CALCULATED BASED ON 25 TO 29.
IT WOULDN'T, IT, YOU WOULDN'T CONSIDER SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS AS PART OF A, A PRIOR FOR ASSESSMENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, MENTION THAT TOO.
SO IF WE GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS, THE FIRST PROJECT I WANT TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH IS NUMBER THREE ON YOUR SHEET.
AND THAT IS THE DIESEL EXHAUST SYSTEM REPAIR.
SO AT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVE A, A DIESEL EXHAUST THAT AS OUR APPARATUS ARE IN THE BAYS, IT, IT ACTUALLY CAPTURES THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CARBON DIOXIDE AND WHATNOT.
WE HAVE IN THREE STATIONS THAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE, UH, NEEDING TO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED.
AND, AND FROM WHAT WE WERE, UH, TOLD THAT THE SYSTEMS ARE INOPERABLE IN, IN SOME OF THESE AREAS.
SO THE, THE WORKING GROUP FELT LIKE THAT WAS A HIGH PRIORITY.
IT WAS URGENT IN THE FACT THAT IT NEEDED TO BE, TO BE REPLACED.
AND SO NUMBER THREE, THE DIESEL EXHAUST SYSTEM REPAIR, THAT $150,000 IS FOR THREE STATIONS.
AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING THIS YEAR.
THE NEXT PROJECT IS JUST DIRECTLY UNDER THAT IS THE $1,360,000 PROJECT.
AND THAT IS THE SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENT OF, OF TWO TANKERS.
AND SO THESE TANKERS ARE WELL OVER 20 YEARS OLD.
AND THE TANKER WE HAD LAST YEAR, A TANKER TO BE REPLACED.
AND THIS YEAR A TANKER TO BE REPLACED.
IF YOU RECALL, WE, WE MERGED THOSE TWO TANKERS TO GATHER SO THAT WE COULD PURCHASE 'EM AT ONE TIME.
AND SO THE, THE IDEA IS, IS THAT THE, THE TANKERS THAT WILL BE REPLACED BY THIS WOULD KIND OF GO BACK TO A RESERVE STATUS.
AND THE TWO NEW TANKERS WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PUT IN IN SERVICE, OBVIOUSLY.
AND THEN THE CURRENT RESERVES WE COULD JUST TAKE OUT OF THE FLEET.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE $1,360,000, UM, AND WE HAVE THAT BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS AS JUST BEING TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TO DO THAT.
BUT AS THE, THE WORKING GROUP LOOKED AT IT, THEY FELT LIKE THIS WAS A HIGH PRIORITY.
ESPECIALLY I MENTIONED TO YOU LAST YEAR, THE LEAD TIME ASSOCIATED WITH GETTING FIRE APPARATUS HAS CHANGED SINCE, SINCE COVID, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S GONNA BE, UM, MONTHS TO YEARS IN SOME CASES TO GET FIRE APPARATUS REPLACED.
AND SO IF WE PUSH IT BACK ANY FURTHER, IT JUST PUSHES BACK TO DELIVERY OF THESE UNITS EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
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THAT.AND NUMBER FOUR, THE NEXT PROJECT IS DOWN ON NUMBER 12, AND THAT'S THE HVAC REPLACEMENT AT THE MCKINNEY GYM.
SO PRESENTLY WE USE THE, THE, THE GYM THAT USED TO BE, UH, TON CLUB OWNED.
WE ACQUIRED THE MCKINNEY GYM YEARS AGO, AND WHEN WE DID, IT HAD A HEATING SYSTEM THAT WAS FAIRLY ANTIQUATED.
THE, THE HOPE WAS NO AIR CONDITIONING, JUST JUST HEATING THAT HEATING HAS, HAS, IS CONSTANTLY NEEDING TO BE REPAIRED.
UM, AND THE FACT I USE NUMBER, NUMBER TWO, FUEL OIL, IT'S, IT'S OLD, ANTIQUATED, NOT RELIABLE.
UM, SO WHAT THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, UM, AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT THAT, GENE JONES RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE REPLACED AND THAT IT BE REPLACED WITH A MORE MODERN HVAC SYSTEM.
SO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU HEAR, UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, $150,000 IS TO, TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IN A NEW UNIT THAT DOES BOTH AIR CONDITIONING.
IT'S A DUCT WORK AND HEATING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO FULLY UTILIZE THE MCKINNEY GYM THROUGHOUT THE 12 MONTHS OF THE YEAR.
UM, YOU CAN IMAGINE IN THE SUMMERTIME WHEN DOORS WOULD HAVE TO BE OPEN, WHATNOT, JUST TO GET SOME AIR IN THERE.
AND WE USE IT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE IT YEAR ROUND FOR BASKETBALL.
PICKLEBALL FROM AN INDOOR PICKLEBALL STANDPOINT WOULD BE GOOD.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A LOCAL BUSINESS THAT, THAT RENTS THAT SPACE TOO.
AND THIS WOULD GIVE THAT ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS, AS NEED BE FROM, I TOLD THEY USED TO BE BACK IN THE TON DAYS, QUITE A FEW PARTIES AND WHATNOT THAT WERE HELD IN THAT GYM.
AND WE COULD START TO GET BACK INTO DOING SOME OF THOSE IF WE HAD MORE RELIABLE, UM, HEAT AND AIR.
WHO'S THE LOCAL BUSINESS OUTTA CURIOSITY? I THINK IT'S THE, UM, MS. COLLINS WAS TELLING ME TODAY, UM, I THINK IT'S STEPPING STONES ACADEMY, I THINK THEY USE IT FOR, UM, THEIR DAYCARE BRINGS, BRINGS KIDS OVER THERE SO MANY TIMES A DAY OR ARE WEAK AND THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING IT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WOULD GIVE US A, A MORE RELIABLE ABILITY TO, TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT FACILITY.
AND THE, AND THE WORKING GROUP FELT LIKE WE NEED TO DO SOME THINGS THAT ARE ALSO GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND, AND THE NEXT, THAT ONE AND THE NEXT ONE, THE NEXT ONE YOU'LL SEE IS NUMBER 15.
AND THAT'S AN A WALKING TRACK.
AND SO WHEN WE MOST RECENTLY DID OUR FACILITIES MASTER PLAN FOR PARKS AND REC, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY TALKED A LOT ABOUT WAS TRAILS AND SAFE PLACES TO GO WALK.
AND, UM, SO WHAT MR. VINES RECOMMENDED WAS AN OVAL SHAPED WALKING TRAIL.
AND IF, YOU KNOW PRESENTLY WHERE THE, THE RUSSELL, UH, SOCCER FIELD IS, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE, UH, THE MAINTENANCE SHOP THAT'S THERE, WE GOT A TREE LINE, AND THEN YOU GOT A FENCED IN AREA THAT'S A, A SMALL SOCCER FIELD.
THAT'S USUALLY WHERE WE, THE YOUNGEST SOCCER KIDS PLAY.
WHAT, UH, MR. VINES HAS, UM, CONTEMPLATED HERE IS AN OVAL SHAPED TRACK.
IT WOULD BE AN ASPHALT TYPE MATERIAL, BUT IT WOULD SPAN THE PERIPHERY OF THAT SOCCER FIELD.
BUT IT WOULD GIVE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO COME WALK, THEY COULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT ONE LAP AROUND THAT'S JUST OVER 1300 FEET, 5,280 FEET IN A MILE.
YOU'D HAVE TO WALK AROUND IT A FEW TIMES, BUT IT WOULD, UM, ALSO HAVE 'CAUSE OF THE PARKING LOT BESIDE IT.
YOU'D HAVE SOME LIGHTING AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY COULD WALK IN INTO THAT, INTO THAT SPACE.
AND SO, UM, THAT PROJECT IS, UH, $130,000 PROJECT FOR THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT, 'CAUSE IT'S THE, THE LAND IS PRETTY WELL PREPPED.
THIS IS A TYPE OF, UH, PROJECT THAT IT'S LIKE AN EIGHT WEEK CONSTRUCTION TIME.
SO IT, IT, IT COULD BE DONE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
AND AGAIN, THE COMMITTEE FELT LIKE THAT, UM, THESE WERE, WERE PROJECTS THAT, THAT WOULD HELP THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.
ALRIGHT, SO THE, THE NEXT TWO I'M GONNA ASK MR. WALTERS TO COME FORWARD, BUT AGAIN, I KNOW I SAID IT EARLIER, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, JEFF IS THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR DENE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN IMAGINE FROM A SCHOOL PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FACILITIES, WHAT A TASK IT IS TO EVALUATE ALL THESE SCHOOLS AND, AND TO REALLY BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RIGHT NEXT STEP IS.
AND I, I'LL TELL YOU, AND I, AND I'M SURE MR. TEUS CAN TALK ABOUT IT TOO, THE CARE AND ATTENTION THAT JEFF PUT INTO THIS, AND I DON'T MIND SAYING IT PUBLICLY.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, HE REALLY, EVEN FROM SOME OF THE COUNTY STAFF HAS RAISED THE GAME SO HIGH AND, AND WHAT HE HAS PRODUCED HERE.
SO AGAIN, JUST JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY STATE THAT.
BUT JEFF, YOU WANNA KIND OF JUST TALK 'EM THROUGH THE NEXT TWO PROJECTS, WHICH IS THE KEY CARD ACCESS.
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SO HE'S GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT, UM, NUMBER 23 AND 24 FIRST, THE 89 AND THE 2.1.I'M THE, ACTUALLY THE CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER FOR DO MANY SCHOOLS.
WESTIN WAS UNDER THE WEATHER, SO SHE COULDN'T BE HERE, SO SHE ASKED ME TO FILL IN.
UM, THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST ONE ON THERE IS THE KEY CARD ACCESS THAT WE'D LIKE TO INSTALL FOR SUNNYSIDE ELEMENTARY.
UM, WE HAVE A SECURITY PLAN FOR OUR SCHOOLS, AND THIS INVOLVES, UH, TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE.
UH, THIS PLAN INVOLVES, UH, THE COORDINATION OF MONEY THAT WE GET FROM OUR SECURITY GRANT EACH YEAR FROM THE VOE, WHICH IS $250,000.
AND, UH, CIP REQUESTS, UM, I'LL JUST RUN DOWN THAT REAL QUICK.
UM, WE HAVE A VERY AGGRESSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT.
UM, AND THAT PLAN, UH, GETS US TO WHAT I CONSIDER A, A FIRST LEVEL OF TOP TIER SECURITY BY THE FISCAL YEAR 27.
UM, SO IN FISCAL YEAR 24, WHICH IS THIS SUMMER, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME OF THE WORK OVER SPRING BREAK, UH, MIDWAY ELEMENTARY, WHICH, UH, IS CONSIDERED, IN MY OPINION, OUR SECOND MOST VULNERABLE SCHOOL RIGHT NOW, UM, IS GONNA HAVE ALL THEIR INTERIOR DOORS KEY CARD ACCESSED, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE PANIC BARS CHANGED TO MODERN PANIC BARS THAT CAN'T BE CHAINED FROM THE INSIDE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
UH, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE IT THERE, DETACHED GYM WITH KEY CARD ACCESS.
UM, SO THEY'RE NOT VULNERABLE OUT THERE.
UH, NEXT YEAR IN 25, UM, WE'RE GONNA USE OUR SECURITY GRANT MONEY TO DO THE SAME FOR, UH, SOUTHSIDE ELEMENTARY.
AND I DID THIS IN ORDER OF VULNERABILITY.
THAT'D BE THE THIRD MOST VULNERABLE SCHOOL, SOUTHSIDE ELEMENTARY.
UM, AND THAT'S WITH OUR SECURITY GRANT MONEY.
AND HOPEFULLY IF THE CIP MONEY REQUEST COMES THROUGH, THEN WE WOULD DO SUNNYSIDE ELEMENTARY, UH, THE KEY CARD ACCESS IN THERE.
UH, IN 26, WE'RE GONNA USE OUR SECURITY SECURITY MONEY TO UPGRADE THE SECURITY VESTIBULES AT MIDWAY ELEMENTARY AND AT SOUTH SIDE ELEMENTARY, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SECURITY ISSUES THERE, UH, MIDWAY BEING THAT THEIR ENTRYWAY IS NOT NEAR THE MAIN OFFICE, SO YOU'RE IN THE SCHOOL BEFORE YOU GET TO THE MAIN OFFICE, WHICH IS A SECURITY PROBLEM.
SO WE'RE GONNA RECONFIGURE THAT.
AND THEN SUNNYSIDE, UH, EXCUSE ME, SOUTH SIDE DOES NOT HAVE A VESTIBULE.
AND WE WILL INSTALL ONE THERE SO THAT YOU CAN HOLD PEOPLE IN THE AREA UNTIL YOU DECIDE THAT THEY'RE NOT A THREAT TO COME INTO THE SCHOOL.
UM, FOR AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, IF YOU EVER GO OVER TO DIMITY ELEMENTARY, IT USED TO BE YOU'D WALK THROUGH THE MAIN DOOR AND YOU'RE IN THE SCHOOL.
WE'VE ADDED A SECURITY VESTIBULE THERE.
SO NOW WHEN YOU WALK IN, YOU'RE IN A SECURE AREA UNTIL THEY BUZZ YOU INTO THE SCHOOL.
SO, UM, AND THEN IN 27, UM, EXCUSE ME, ALSO, IN 26 THROUGH CIP REQUESTS, WE'RE GONNA, UH, DO THE, UH, KEY CARD ACCESS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL DIMITY HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH ALREADY HAS A VESTIBULE.
AND THEN IN 27 WE DO SUTHERLAND.
UM, WE DID THIS, UM, THROUGH, UM, VULNERABILITY.
SO JUST A LITTLE, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME.
BUT, UH, IN 2021, WE USED OUR SECURITY MONEY TO DO THE SAME AT DIMITY MIDDLE SCHOOL.
THEY HAVE A VESTIBULE AND WE DID THE INTERIOR, UH, KEY CARDS, UH, THERE.
AND IN 2023, WE DID THE VESTIBULE AND THE INTERIOR KEY CARDS AT DIY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS WILL NOW HAVE EXTERIOR ACCESS, KEY CARD CONTROLLED AND INTERIOR KEY CARD CONTROLLED WITH IN ADDITION, UH, FUNCTIONING SECURITY VESTIBULES.
SO THIS PROJECT HERE, UM, AT, UH, SUNNYSIDE ELEMENTARY IS, IS PART OF THIS, THIS MAJOR SECURITY PLAN.
AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE INVEST IN THIS AND THAT WE, UM, WE TAKE THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SCHOOLS ARE, ARE, ARE SECURE.
UM, ONE THING I WILL ADD BEFORE I MOVE ON, OR IF, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, IS, UH, UNTIL, UM, MOST RECENTLY THE SHOOTING AT NASHVILLE AND NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, EACH AND EVERY SCHOOL SHOOTER THAT THEY'VE RECORDED HAS ENTERED THROUGH AN UNLOCKED OR PROPPED DOOR, UH, THE FIRST SCHOOL SHOOTER THAT DID NOT SHOT THROUGH A GLASS DOOR, WHICH WAS LOCKED.
UM, SO I WANNA LOCK OUR DOORS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE OUR TEACHERS CAN BE, KEEP THE KIDS SAFE.
UH, THE CURRENT GUIDANCE FROM THE, UH, PASS INSTITUTE, WHICH DOES, UH, SCHOOL SAFETY RATINGS IS IF CHILDREN ARE IN THE DOOR IN THE SCHOOL OR IN THE, UH, CLASSROOM, THE DOOR SHOULD BE CLOSED AND LOCKED.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GIVE OUR TEACHERS THAT ADVANTAGE.
SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? ABOUT THE SECURITY KEY CARDS? OKAY.
I, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SCHOOLS, BUT YES, SIR.
IF YOU GO, IF YOU GOT SOMETHING ELSE, GO AHEAD FIRST.
I JUST, I'M READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
I, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
I I, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, I'M KIND OF A LIFECYCLE KIND OF GUY I HAD, UM, WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, SUNNYSIDE.
I'M LOOKING AT IT, I KNOW, AS YOU EXPLAINED, 30 IS KIND OF OUT THERE AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
BUT IT STRIKES ME, SUNNYSIDE'S
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PREDECESSOR, IF I DO, IF I'M DOING MY WRATH CORRECTLY, WAS 48 YEARS OLD WHEN SUNNYSIDE WAS BUILT, AND IT WAS TORN DOWN.AND NOW SUNNYSIDE IS BEING PROPOSED FOR RENOVATION WHEN IT IS 48 YEARS OLD.
AND MY PERCEPTION IS, IT WAS, IT IS NOT AS WELL MADE AS ITS PREDECESSOR.
IT JUST STRIKES ME AS, AS JUST INTERESTING THAT, AND HONESTLY, YOU COULD SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL.
THAT'S WHERE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THAT'S 59 YEARS OLD NOW, SIR, SIR.
SO I'M THINKING, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESSES ARE REGARDING RENOVATION VERSUS REPLACEMENT, KNOWING THAT REPLACEMENT'S EVEN MORE ASTRONOMICAL.
WELL, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT KNOW THIS A LOT BETTER THAN I, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET TO THAT PERCENTAGE OF, OF RENOVATION OF A SCHOOL, OF A SCHOOL, YOU SAY, LOOK, WE NEED TO REALLY CUT OUR LOSS AND BUILD A NEW SCHOOL.
SUNNYSIDE IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT, UM, AS KIND OF LIKE A NUCLEUS IN A CIRCLE.
AND THE PLAN, THE RENOVATION PLAN THAT I SAW FROM OUR FACILITY STUDY IS TO ADD A SHELL TO THE OUTSIDE AND ACTUALLY EXTEND THE SCHOOL SO THAT THE, THE, THE ENTRANCE IS FURTHER OUT.
UM, THEY ALSO, THE SITE WORK THERE, IT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK, BUT IT'S A GOOD LOCATION.
UM, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO THIS.
I WASN'T REALLY INVOLVED IN THE 2016 FACILITY STUDY, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, LOOKING AT IT, UM, IT MAKES SENSE TO RENOVATE ONLY BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING OUT, YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO, LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE OLD MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY TRIED TO PIECE IT TOGETHER.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY ADDING A EXTERIOR SHELL TO SUNNYSIDE.
THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY OUR ARCHITECT.
BUT I, I, THE DETAILS OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'M NOT A BUILDER.
BUT THAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
AND OBVIOUSLY I, I THINK THAT, UH, MR. MASSENGILL AND, AND THE COMMITTEE AND EVERYBODY, WE WOULD DO SOME STUDIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS THE CORRECT PATH.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T JUMP IN.
UH, THAT NUMBER IS FROM THE 2016 RRMM STUDY, THE 31 MILLION AND IT'S ESCALATED OUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT A STONE SET IN STONE NUMBER, IT'S A GUESSTIMATION.
AND WE DID THE SAME WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, BY THE WAY.
RIGHT? IT WAS, UH, ADDING ON, BUT OBVIOUSLY A STUDY WOULD TELL US, HEY, CUT YOUR LOSSES AND BUILD A NEW SCHOOL IF, IF IT SAID THAT.
UM, THE NEXT IS OUR, UH, THE BOILER REPLACEMENT WE'D LIKE TO, TO GET DONE.
UM, THIS WOULD BE A PHASE TWO OF OUR CHILLER BOILER PROJECT.
UM, IN 2016, AGAIN, THIS 2016 FACILITIES, UH, STUDY BY RRMM, UH, THEY RATED OUR CHILLER BOILER SITUATION AT DENWOODY ELEMENTARY, DENWOODY MIDDLE, AND MIDWAY ELEMENTARY.
UH, DENWOOD ELEMENTARY AND DEN TY MIDDLE WERE BOTH RATED AS FAIR, AND THEY WERE SUGGESTED TO BE REPLACED IN 2021.
AND MIDWAY ELEMENTARY WAS RATED AS POOR AND THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE REPLACE THEM IN 2018 TO 2020 TIMEFRAME.
UM, THIS YEAR, THIS LAST SUMMER, WE DID DO THE, UH, CHILLER UPGRADES.
THEY BROUGHT IN THE NEW UNITS, THEY DROPPED THEM WITH THE CRANE, THEY RAN THE NEW LINES.
UH, THEY'VE DONE THE TESTING AND THEY'RE ABOUT THROUGH WITH THAT.
AND THE A, THE AC IS, IS, IS REALLY GOOD IN THERE.
UH, WE DID HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH OUR, UH, WITH OUR HEATING AT MIDWAY AND AT DEWIN MIDDLE LAST YEAR.
AND THESE DESPERATELY NEED TO BE UPGRADED.
THESE ARE OUR TOP PRIORITY FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IS TO GET THESE THREE BOILERS INSTALLED AND, AND, AND ONLINE SO THAT, UH, WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN.
IF WE HAVE A REALLY COLD WINTER WHERE, YOU KNOW, PIPES ARE FREEZING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN APPARATUSES THAT KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL THERE'S AN EXPOSED ROOF, BUT THEY GET THE WATER CIRCULATION AND THEY HAVE, UH, THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN'T RETROFIT RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY CAN PUT ON WHEN THEY DO THE BOILER PROJECT.
SO, UM, THIS, AGAIN, IT'S A SECOND PHASE.
UM, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN MAKING THESE SCHOOLS MORE COMFORTABLE.
AND IT ALSO HELPS WITH THE AIR QUALITY.
WE SAW THAT AT SOUTH SIDE ELEMENTARY, THEY PUT IN NEW ROOFTOP UNITS AND DUCT WORK AND, UH, THE AIR QUALITY THAT IT, OF MODERN DAY EQUIPMENT IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN IT WAS, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO, 25 YEARS AGO.
YOU WEREN'T THERE THE LAST DAY WE WERE WORKING ON THE CIP AND YES SIR, WE KIND OF PRIORITIZED THIS THE WAY WE DID.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN REPLACED TWO YEARS AGO.
UH, BUT YOU MENTIONED BOILERS, Y'ALL HAVE, Y'ALL BOUGHT THE BOILERS? I MEAN, THAT WAS WHAT OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS WHEN WE WERE SITTING IN THERE.
YOU BOUGHT THE UNITS WHEN YOU HAD MONEY AVAILABLE TO BUY THE UNITS.
THIS IS JUST TO INSTALL THE UNITS AT EACH ONE OF THE SCHOOLS.
IT IS, THE UNITS ARE IN THE CHILLER BOILER UNIT IS ONE.
BUT THEN WE DID THE CHILLER PORTION OF THE PROJECT, UH, LAST SUMMER.
SO THE UNIT WITH THE CRANE BROUGHT IT IN AND SET IT DOWN.
YOU KNOW, THE BIG, IT LOOKS LIKE A HUGE
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AIRPLANE ENGINE IS THE BEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE IT.SO IT'S ALREADY ON THE SCHOOL.
IT'S OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL ON THE GROUND.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, I I QUESTIONED THE SAME THING.
I SAID, HOW IN THE WORLD CAN IT COST THAT MUCH? BUT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S DONE, UH, GETTING THE WA YOU KNOW, GETTING THE, THE, THE BOILED WATER OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER THEY DO IT, I'M NOT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PIPE WORK AND A LOT OF DUCT WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
WHEN WE WERE ARGUING, WHERE DOES THIS GO? YEAH.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD GO ANOTHER YEAR? COULD WE LIMP A SYSTEM THROUGH TO ANOTHER YEAR? YEAH.
AND THEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE THESE MM-HMM
AND IF WE DON'T GO AHEAD AND HOOK 'EM UP YEAH.
THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
WELL, AND, AND TO BE QUITE FAIR, SEE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
WE, WE'VE DONE, WE DID OUR LIMPING YEAR LAST YEAR.
I MEAN, I'M NOT, WE LIMPED LAST YEAR.
'CAUSE IF WE DECIDED, HEY, WE NEED TO BUY THESE UNITS, AND WE, EVEN IF I STARTED TOMORROW, THE, THE LEAD TIME WAS PRETTY, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.
YOU KNOW, 18 MONTH LEAD TIME OR SO, SO THAT WE, WE DID DO THAT WITH THE CHILLERS.
WE BOUGHT THEM THE SUMMER BEFORE AND THEN PAID TO STORE THEM IN A WAREHOUSE UNTIL WE WERE READY TO INSTALL THEM.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT, IT'S A NIGHTMARE TRYING TO GET THOSE THINGS ON SITE.
WHICH IS HOW WE ENDED UP PUSHING THIS IN TO THE 25 BUDGET.
BECAUSE WE GOT 'EM, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING, WE GOTTA INSTALL 'EM.
SO I MEAN, AT THIS POINT IT'S URGENT BECAUSE IT'S THERE.
AND THEY COULD GO OUT FROM THE CHILLER STUFF AND THEN START WORKING THE BOILER SIDE OF IT.
SO, ONE FOLLOW UP THAT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, UM, THOUGHTS ON TRYING TO PUT THAT ON THE GROUND INSTEAD OF ON THE ROOF FOR, FOR LATER WHEN YOU DO HAVE TO DO A, A RENOVATION.
I MEAN, IS I, I DID THIS IN THE MILITARY.
I HATE FLAT ROOFS AND I HATE PUTTING EQUIPMENT ON FLAT ROOF.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY THOUGHT TO THAT.
WELL, ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR CHILLER BOILER UNITS ARE ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW.
SO THE INPUT, SO THE IDEA IS TO INSTALL THE NEW ONE WHERE IT'S AT TO HOOK.
THEY CRANE THE OTHER OLD ONE OUT AND PUT NEW, ACTUALLY THE MIDDLE SCHOOL'S TWO UNITS, UM, AT THE MID MIDWAY.
IT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT, UH, BETWEEN THE GYM AND AT, UH, DIMITY ELEMENTARY.
THE, THE FLAT ROOF IS A NIGHTMARE.
UM, I, I JUST, JUST CURIOUS, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THE CHILLERS AND THE BOILERS AND ALL OF THAT, UM, AND I KNOW THE HOTTEST TOPIC IN THE COUNTY NOW IS THE, THE SOLAR PANEL SYSTEM.
UM, HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY, ANY, UM, STEADY OR THOUGHT OF, UM, MAYBE SOLAR, THE SOLAR PANELS THAT'S ON THE ROOF OF THE BUILDINGS? IS THAT ANY THOUGHT I HAVE NOT BEEN AWARE OF, OF ANY, ANYTHING THEY'VE DONE FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
UM, I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT.
UM, I WOULD NOT BE AGAINST IT, BUT I I, I'M JUST, I DON'T HAVE MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU HAD A, IF YOU HAD A ROOF WITH SOME SORT OF GRADIENT TO IT, LIKE I SAID, FLAT ROOFS ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA ACCOMMODATE THAT.
BUT IF YOU WERE ABLE TO IN, IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING A NEW ROOF UP THAT HAS SOME GRADE TO IT, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
YEAH, I, I'D BE ALL, I'D BE OPEN, I'D BE, YOU KNOW, BOTH FEET IN THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
BUT, UM, I JUST DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON IT.
'CAUSE I HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT.
HAS THE, JUST TO, UH, YES SIR, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON PREVIOUS QUESTION.
UM,
I, AGAIN, I DON'T, I WOULD'VE TO DEFER TO MR. DI.
NO, I, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE ANY OF ANY FORMAL STUDY TO, TO DO THAT.
NOW A COUPLE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR LARGER INDUSTRY IN THE COUNTY, ALDI, THE GERMAN FOOD MANUFACTURER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON, ON THEIR FACILITY.
AMAZON, MARK, I'M NOT TOO SURE 'CAUSE WE'RE CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT THERE.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS, HAS LOOKED INTO IT.
I, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT MR. HAYES WAS SAYING.
UM, AND WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH DOMINION ABOUT IT TOO, TO, TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO DO THAT.
A LOT OF TIMES WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION TODAY, KNOWING SOLAR PANEL TECHNOLOGY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU COULD DO.
IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ADDITIONAL STUDY THAT COULD BE SOMETHING LOOKED INTO TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO CURTAIL SOME COSTS.
I I, I WAS JUST WONDERING, UH, I I,
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND A LOT ABOUT SOLAR AND EVERYBODY'S WANTING TO PUT ANY SOLAR FARMS AND, UH, I KNOW I WAS ASKED ABOUT PUTTING, UH, SOLAR ON MY HOUSE UNTIL I GAVE HIM THE ADDRESSSO IT KIND OF MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
AND, AND I TRULY THINK YOU'RE GOING FIND OUT WITH SOME OF THE OLDER SCHOOLS STRUCTURALLY ENGINEERED, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THE WEIGHT THAT YOU'RE GOING WANT TO PUT ON THEM? I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR NEXT QUESTION.
I DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF RETROFIT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOING AN OLDER SCHOOL, A LOT OF TYING IT IN SOLAR 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T TIE IN NEATLY LIKE ELECTRICITY DOES.
SO, SO WE, WE HAVE SOME SCHOOLS THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN THE THIRTIES AND I'M PRETTY SURE THEY, THEY'RE NOT READY TO ACCEPT THAT.
NOBODY HERE REMEMBERS THE BUILDING OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. WALTERS? UH, NO.
SO THE, THE LAST PROJECT, AGAIN I MENTIONED, MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT IT'S, IT'S NUMBER 38, UH, WHICH IS SHERIFF'S, UH, VEHICLES.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THOSE OUT AFTER 26.
UH, SO, SO THEY WOULD JUST BE PART OF OUR, OUR OPERATING, UH, BUDGET AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
WE STILL GOTTA GET THROUGH THE, THE, THE PLANNING, I MEAN, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO HAVE THAT, THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, A COUPLE OF THE POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE IS IF YOU, YOU, YOU LOOK AT, UM, WHAT IS BETWEEN FY 25 AND 29, UH, AND YOU, YOU, YOU SEE THAT YOU GOT A COUPLE BIG YEARS, RIGHT? WE KNOW THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THE COUNTY IS TO BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THREE TO $4 MILLION.
UH, WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN PAY CASH FOR THAT PRETTY EASILY DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO YOU'LL SEE IN 26 YOU'VE GOT A $8.8 MILLION AMOUNT.
AND AGAIN, I'VE TALKED TO YOU A LITTLE BIT.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE BIGGER ITEMS THERE.
ONE OF THAT'S A RENOVATION TO THE COURTHOUSE.
THE COURTHOUSE IS WHAT WE CALL THE NEW COURTHOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN 98 IS A LITTLE BIT OLDER NOW, RIGHT? SO IT'S THE ONLY BUILDING LEFT ON THIS CAMPUS THAT HAS NOT BEEN RENOVATED TO SOME WAY.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RENOVATION, IT'S NOT MAJOR RENOVATION, BUT ESPECIALLY PUBLIC CORRIDORS WHERE THERE'S CARPET, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT GOING TO A MORE DURABLE SURFACE.
THE COURTHOUSE IS PROBABLY ARGUABLY ONE OF THE, THE BUSIEST, UH, FROM THE COUNTY SIDE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BUSIEST, UH, PUBLIC BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, IT'S NOT LIKE CHILDREN IN 'EM EVERY DAY FROM A SCHOOL PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT'S, IT'S HEAVILY TRAFFICKED, UH, AREA.
SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME FUNDS TO DO THAT.
AGAIN, WE'VE GOT SOME, OUR TOP PRIORITY OF THE, OF THE WORKING GROUP NEXT YEAR IS THIS CAD, R-M-S-M-D-T-E-M-D SYSTEM REPLACEMENT.
AND THAT IS BASICALLY THE SYSTEMS THAT RUN PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND SO THEY NEED TO BE UPDATED, NEED TO BE UPGRADED.
AND SO THAT $1.2 MILLION, UM, WE HAVE, HAVE CONSIDERED.
AND THEN AGAIN, GENERATOR REPLACEMENT.
WHAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW, WHY THAT'S IN YELLOW IS 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S WAITING ON CONTRACTOR QUOTES.
WE WERE HOPING TO GET IT BEFORE THIS MEETING.
WE DEFINITELY HOPE TO GET IT BACK, UH, BEFORE THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
BUT WE'LL UPDATE THAT ACCORDINGLY.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE, AGAIN, THE, UM, FROM A SCHOOL PERSPECTIVE AT SOUTHSIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
NOW, IF YOU, YOU FAST FORWARD TO, UH, 29, THE BIGGER PROJECTS THERE, YOU GOT SOME TANKERS TO REPLACE.
AND THEN THE NEXT BIG PIECE IS THE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL FIELD STADIUM.
AND SO WE KEPT THAT IN THE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT PART OF THE FACILITY STUDY.
IT'S ALREADY THE RRMM REPORT THAT MR. WALTERS REFERENCED, LOOKED AT SOME OF OUR ATHLETIC FACILITIES.
WE, WE THINK THAT THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES THAT PROBABLY WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE WITH THAT.
SO WE KEPT THAT IN THE, IN THE PROJECTED TIMEFRAME.
SO AGAIN, ANYTIME YOU GET ABOVE THREE, $4 MILLION, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE IN THE EIGHTS AND SIXES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, PROBABLY BE BEING, UM, A BORROW OF SOME SORT AND THEN PAY THAT, THAT AS PART OF YOUR DEBT SERVICE.
UM, COUPLE THINGS YOU, YOU DON'T SEE ON THE CIP THAT YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IS THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY.
THEY'RE THEIR OWN SEPARATE, UH, AUTHORITY.
AND THEY USED TO BE PART OF THIS.
UM, AND WHAT WE ASKED THE AIRPORT WAS TO COME BACK WITH A A A A 10 YEAR PLAN, KINDA LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THE, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THESE AUTHORITIES IS THEY CAN BORROW FUNDS AND IT SETS ON THEIR BOOKS, NOT THE COUNTY'S BOOKS.
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THAT WE'LL PAY IT.AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO THEIR OWN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE WATER AUTHORITY.
USED TO SEE THE WATER AUTHORITY AS PART OF YOUR CIP AND THE SAME THING BECAUSE THEY'RE AN AUTHORITY.
THEY CAN HOLD THE DEBT, THEY CAN AMORTIZE A LOT LONGER.
YOU KNOW, WATER LINES LAST 50 YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T DO A FIRE TRUCK FOR 50 YEARS, BUT YOU CAN DO A, YOU CAN DO SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THERE.
SO WE'VE ASKED THE WATER AUTHORITY TO DO THE SAME THING, TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT, LOOK AT THEIR, UM, THEIR NEEDS.
WE'VE ALSO ASKED THAT TO BE TIED BACK TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE WHEN YOU, YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF WATER LINES, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT TENDS TO, YOU KNOW, MEAN GROWTH FOLLOWS WATER LINES, RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AWARE OF THE, THE IDEAS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WITH THE WATER AUTHORITY.
NOW, IF YOU GO BACK TO FY 30, I JUST REAL QUICKLY WANT TO HIT THESE, RIGHT? SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, THESE LARGER PROJECTS, THE FIRE STATION FOR A GOOD EXAMPLE.
WE THINK THAT COMPLETELY HAS TO BE REEVALUATED.
WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, I MEAN WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON STAFFING, UH, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT INE AND ITS PRESENT LOCATION IS LIMITED BECAUSE IT'S IN ONE, IT'S IN THE BACK, THE BACK OF A SUBDIVISION.
THE OTHER IS BESIDE THE CITY OF PETERSBURG AND CHESTERFIELD JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER.
WE THINK MAYBE THE RELOCATION OF A NEW FIRE STATION IS NEEDED.
BUT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY AND SEE SPECIFICALLY WHERE THAT WOULD BE.
THE $7.7 MILLION WE DON'T THINK WILL TOUCH IT TODAY IN TODAY'S DOLLARS.
SO WE ARE, WE'RE ASKING CHIEF HALE TO COME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL STUDY MONEY OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO COMPLETELY REEVALUATE WHERE THE NEXT, UH, COUNTY FIREHOUSE SHOULD BE.
WE DID SAY THAT IT'S IN THAT AIRPORT AREA.
WE THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE ON THAT FOUR 60 CORRIDOR, OR IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE TWO SMALL FIRE STATIONS, OR IT COULD BE ONE LARGE MEGA STATION.
BUT I THINK YOU, WE REALLY ARE AT THE POINT NOW THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT SOME, SOME CALL DATA AND, AND BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO, TO BETTER PLACE THAT.
SO WE, WE AGAIN PUT THAT IN THE PLANNING YEAR.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS MR. HAYES.
AND MR. TUS PICKED UP ON THIS TOO.
AND AGAIN, MR. WALTERS IS, IS TALKING ABOUT THE RRMM STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2016 AND IT'S NEARLY 10 YEARS OLD.
AND SO AT THAT TIME IT MAY HAVE MADE BETTER SENSE TO RENOVATE, BUT JUST IN TALKING NOW, RRMM DOES SCHOOLS, UH, TIMMONS, UH, TIMMONS MOSLEY DOES SCHOOLS.
WE WERE ASKING JUST, JUST THIS, THIS PAST 12 MONTHS, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE? THIS IS A 300 CAPACITY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AT SUNNYSIDE, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT.
300, 300 CAPACITY AT SUNNYSIDE.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MOST RECENT DATA ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDING AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, NOW, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT IT'S $45 MILLION, BUILT A BRAND NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, 40 TO $45 MILLION.
SO WHEN YOU GET TO, LIKE JEFF WAS SAYING, IF YOU, YOU START GETTING TO 75% OF THAT COST, IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO BUILD NEW THAN IT IS TO, YOU KNOW, TO RENOVATE.
SO WHAT THE WORKING GROUP SAID WAS, WAS, HEY, WELL BEFORE WE WON, $32 MILLION IS A LOT TO RENOVATE.
UM, AND IF YOU WERE TO BUILD NEW, WOULD YOU BUILD NEW IN MCKINNEY? AND SO MAYBE WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE MINIMUM MAINTENANCE ITEMS SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. WALTERS IS SHOWING IN SOUTH SIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
LET'S MAKE THAT SCHOOL THE WAY THAT IT WAS BUILT TO SEE IF IT CAN HAVE SOME MEDICINAL, USEFUL LIFE.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING NEW, MAYBE WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHEN THAT TIME COMES TO BUILD ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT IS POSITIONED IN THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THE COUNTY TO DO THAT.
THE NEXT BIG ONE WAS THE, THE $67 MILLION RENOVATION.
AND AGAIN, USING NEW NUMBERS, GETTING HARD TO BELIEVE.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, HIGH SCHOOLS NOW ARE, ARE BEING BUILT FOR OVER A HUNDRED MILLION PER HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, SO DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A, WE CONSIDER THAT TO BE A A, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UH, PART OF THIS PLAN THAT'S GOTTA BE CAREFULLY STUDIED.
UH, 'CAUSE WHAT'S GONNA CONTROL A LOT OF THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING OF THAT SIZE IS ITS LOCATION.
AND I THINK WHAT WORKS WELL NOW FOR SECONDARY EDUCATION IS THAT YOU, AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL, YOU'RE KIND OF SHARING A SAME SIMILAR CAMPUS.
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NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE WORKING GROUP TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL, LET'S, LET'S PLAN FOR WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE.AND THEN WHERE DOES IT GO? AND THEN THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT HISTORIC SOUTHSIDE EDUCATION CENTER, WHICH IS THE OLD MIDDLE SCHOOL AND YOU KNOW, DOES IT HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES? CHAIRMAN TIMUS EVEN MENTIONED, MAYBE IT COULD EVEN BE USED AS A STAGING FACILITY IF YOU WERE TO KNOCK DOWN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND BUILD A MIDDLE SCHOOL.
GOOD THING IS THAT THAT BUILDING IS STILL CLASSIFIED AS AN EDUCATIONAL USE.
IT STILL CAN BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF, WELL, WHAT IF YOU MOVED SIX AND SEVEN OVER THERE AND DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT? YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, APPLAUD THE SCHOOL SYSTEM FOR SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD THIS ESTIMATED IN 2016, NOW WE HAVE BETTER ENROLLMENT NUMBERS, WHICH SEEM TO BE FAIRLY STEADY, NOT HUGE INCREASES OR DECREASES, BUT FAIRLY STEADY.
WE KNOW THAT FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 10 YEAR PERIOD, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND NOW THAT WE KNOW FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, THE OVERALL COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, LET'S BETTER FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT BACK, SO I WAS, I WAS TELLING MR. WALTERS, I SAID IT AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, I'M IN, MY INTENTIONS ARE, IF THE BOARD ALLOWS IT, IS TO USE YEAR END MONEY TO FUND THIS STUDY STARTING JULY ONE.
AND SO THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION OF CAN WE USE RRMM? DO WE NEED TO GO PUT IT BACK OUT TO BID AGAIN? SCHOOL SYSTEM WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THAT.
BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND, UH, FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT NOW.
UH, SO THAT NEXT YEAR, THIS TIME WE HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
'CAUSE IN MY MIND, AND WE KNOW $80 MILLION IS ACHIEVABLE IN 10 YEARS WITHOUT A TAX INCREASE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL, IF IT'S TO OCCUR IN THIS 10 YEAR PERIOD, IT'S GONNA BE WITH A TAX INCREASE.
UM, AND SO WE, WE WOULD WANT TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A GENERAL FEEL FOR WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE.
AND IT WANT US TIME TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO STUDY IT THE RIGHT WAY.
AND AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS FOR SECONDARY EDUCATION, PRIMARY K THROUGH FIVE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING OUR EXISTING ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAINTAIN THESE FACILITIES AND WHEN GROWTH DICTATES IT, LET'S PUT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
UM, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE, THE OVERALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS PLAN BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS TO TRY TO GET A PLAN THAT'S A 10 YEAR PLAN THAT IS ACHIEVABLE IN FIVE YEARS, BUT, BUT ALSO RECOGNIZES SOME OF THESE BIGGER PROJECTS.
AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAME TOGETHER AS A GROUP, TALKED THROUGH THESE ISSUES, AND WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE PRIORITIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, IF THERE ANY OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I DUNNO IF YOU AS A CITY MEMBER OF THE, OF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO, TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS NOT AN OVERNIGHT PROCESS.
THIS TOOK, WHAT DID WE MEET FOUR OR FIVE TIMES? FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, YEAH.
FIVE TIMES, UH, TO GO OVER THIS.
YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THERE'D BE A LOT OF HURT FEELINGS AFTER THIS, BUT I THINK MR. WALTERS WOULD EVEN SAY, I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF GIVE AND TAKE EVERYBODY OF, THERE WERE PE THERE WAS SOME PUBLIC SAFETY THINGS THAT THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT THIS OFF.
JUST DON'T, THE BIG THING WAS DON'T PUT IT OFF AND FORGET ABOUT IT.
AND THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP FROM DOING.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THESE THINGS GOT, THEY MIGHT'VE GOT PUSHED OUT TO 30 IN THE PLANNING PHASE, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY DIDN'T GET LOST.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT CAME TIME TO VOTE, I THINK EVERYBODY'S TOP THREE WAS EVERYBODY'S TOP THREE.
THERE WAS NO LIKE, UH, HIGH FLYER OVER HERE THAT PICKED SOMETHING WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD THAT WE WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT.
WE ALL WERE PRETTY WELL IN AGREEANCE WITH MOST EVERYTHING.
UH, I'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AGO.
THE LAST TIME I WAS PART OF THE CIP, UH, I LIKED THIS PROCESS BETTER.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S MORE REALISTIC.
I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE FACT THAT THEY SAID, THIS IS THE NUMBER
WE GOTTA WORK WITHIN THIS NUMBER.
IT'S, THERE'S NO WAY TO WORK OUTSIDE OF THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I WAS GLAD BECAUSE IF THEY'D HAVE LEFT THE
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AMBULANCES, THE SCHOOL BUSES AND THE POLICE CARS, WE PRETTY MUCH EAT UP THE CIP EVERY YEAR AND NOTHING BUT EMERGENCY VEHICLES.AND THAT BOTHERED EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM BECAUSE WE KNEW WE NEEDED THE OTHER STUFF.
AND THOSE WERE SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENTS.
LIKE WE SAID, THAT SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO WORK THOSE INTO NORMAL BUDGET.
BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BUY POLICE CARS EVERY YEAR, THERE'S NO NEED TO PUT 'EM IN CIP.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA DO.
SAME THING WITH BUSES AND AMBULANCES.
SO, UH, I WAS GLAD TO SEE THOSE COME OUT, WHETHER THEY STAY OUT THAT'S YET TO BE SEEN.
BUT FOR US TONIGHT, THEY ARE OUT EXCEPT FOR THE POLICE CARS THAT WE LEFT IN, BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE ONLY VEHICLES THAT HAD TO BE DONE IN 25.
SO I'M, I I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IS GOOD.
UH, I THINK THESE ARE NECESSARY ITEMS. THE WHOLE DO WE REPLACE SUNNYSIDE? DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL? THOSE ARE THE BIG, THE BIG HIGH FLYERS THAT WE REALLY GOTTA FIGURE OUT BEFORE WE GET THERE.
'CAUSE I THINK DID THESE FALL IN 28, 29? YEAH.
THE, THE, THE TWO, UH, RENOVATION PROJECTS THIS AT, AT SUNNYSIDE AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WERE ORIGINALLY IN 20, UH, 7 28 TIMEFRAME.
AND SO WE, WE PUSHED HIM IN THE, THE FIREHOUSE WAS RECOMMENDED IN 29.
AND, UH, AND I NEGLECTED TO MENTION THE OTHER, THE BIG ONE IN THE ROOM, WHICH WAS, UH, PARKS AND REC HAD ASKED FOR 65 MILLION, AND THAT'S IN YEAR 34.
AND THAT WAS LOOKING AT THE FACILITY STUDY THAT WAS DONE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE DIMITY COMMUNITY SPOKE VERY FONDLY OF WAS AN AQUATICS FACILITY THAT WOULD ALSO BE SOME TYPE OF ATHLETICS FACILITY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE DENWOODY, UH, SPORTS COMPLEX AREA FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT COULD THAT LOOK LIKE? IT COULD BE A-Y-M-C-A, UH, BUT THE NEW MODEL FOR A-Y-M-C-A IS THAT THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY BUILDS THE YMCA IS NOW, AND THEN THE YMCA COMES IN AND OPERATES IT.
SO WE, WE PUT THAT IN IN 65, 60 5 MILLION DOWN IN 34 AND WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF, AGAIN, THESE ARE PLANNING YEARS, UM, AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY THERE TO MAYBE WORK, WORK WITH SOME OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO THAT.
SO JUST A QUESTION THERE, IS THERE ANY MARKET TO, UH, HAVE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I'M THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, P THREES IN THE HIGHWAY.
BUT IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY MARKET TO HAVING SOMEBODY PRETTY MUCH FUND THAT UP FRONT AND COME IN AND THEN AS YOU SAY, GET PAID THEIR REVENUE STREAM WOULD BE BASED ON OPERATIONS? YEAH.
IT, IT, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS ARE GONNA GO WHERE THEY KNOW THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, GET THE, GET THE USAGE THAT THEY WANT.
AND FOR, I MEAN, NOT THAT DIM WOODY IS, IS NOT THAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY.
BUT I, I THINK WHEN WE TALK TO A LOT OF THE, THE PRIVATE SECTOR TODAY, IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE'RE WE'RE GOING WHEN WE CAN HIT GRANDS LAMBS.
YEAH, WE COULD PROBABLY HIT A HOME RUN IN DIM WOODY, BUT, BUT CHESTERFIELD, HENRICO, HANOVER, RICHMOND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK IT THAT WAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, UM, THE BALLFIELD DISTRICT IN RICHMOND NOW AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT OVERALL PROJECT AND, AND THE CITY WORKING TO COLLATERALIZE THAT PROJECT WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I MEAN THERE, THERE ARE CREATIVE WAYS OF, OF DOING SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THOSE NUMBERS DON'T PASS A SNICKER
IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PROCESS.
SO WE, WE DIDN'T WANNA LOSE THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC HAD ADDED COMMENTS TO SOME OF THESE MAJOR REC AMENITIES.
WE JUST DECIDED THAT IT, IT, AND IN MR. VINES TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING 2034 BEFORE ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD, WOULD COME INTO PLACE.
AND IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR COMES IN AND, AND OFFERS THOSE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CAN, WE CAN MODIFY THAT AS THE YEARS WOULD, WOULD GO THROUGH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR? I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHERS.
UH, JUST THAT IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE.
I THINK EVERYBODY GOT ALONG WELL, PLAYED WELL IN THE SANDBOX TOGETHER AND REALLY WORKED HARD TO GET WHAT YOU SEE FOR 25 THROUGH 29.
THAT'S BASICALLY AS FEASIBLE AS POSSIBLE FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, THAT WE GIVE THEM THE, GO AHEAD, GET AN, GET A MOTION
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AND APPROVAL FOR WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU.AND, UH, KNOWING THAT 25 IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, THE REST OF IT WILL BE REE AGAIN NEXT YEAR AND NEXT YEAR.
AND I THINK IN TALKING TO THE PLANNING, I MEAN TO THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THEY REALLY WANT TO KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE GOT THAT RESPONSIBILITY, THE HEAD OF LEGISLATIVE BRANCH TO DEVELOP A BUDGET.
BUT THEY, THEY REALLY ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU ALL SEE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THEY, THE REASON THAT A CIP TYPICALLY REST WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT WHEN WE ALLOW GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN ALL AREAS OF THE 500 AND, YOU KNOW, FOUR SQUARE MILES OF DEWINE COUNTY, THESE PUBLIC AMENITIES GET STRETCHED AND THERE IT BECOMES VERY COSTLY.
SO WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN 10 YEARS, SPENDING OVER $15 MILLION JUST IN AMBULANCES, SCHOOL BUSES AND POLICE CARS JUST, JUST THERE.
'CAUSE WE WE'RE GOING ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING WHEN IN MY EARLY PART OF DEWINE COUNTY, WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, BCWH HAD JUST DONE THE REPORT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM ON, ON NEEDING A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND A HIGH SCHOOL.
IT WAS THE SINGLE LARGEST CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT IN THE HISTORY OF DEWINE COUNTY TO BORROW 66 MILLION.
NOW AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS 45 FOR A 300 CAPACITY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND THEN YOU START LOOKING AT OVER A HUNDRED MILLION FOR A HIGH SCHOOL.
THESE, THESE THINGS GOTTA BE WELL PLANNED OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
MR. LANGLEY, YOU HAVE, I JUST WANNA SAY MR. CHAIRMAN, HE HAD A QUESTION.
OH, UM, MR. MASQUE, YOU, YOU, WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP THE SUBJECT ON BUILDING A NEW SCHOOL, YOU HAD, IT HAD BEEN THOUGHTS, UH, OPTIONS, DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND OF COURSE LOGISTICS AND EVERYTHING ELSE COMES INTO PLAY.
AND I WAS GONNA INTERRUPT YOU AND ASK YOU,
OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T CONCERN, UM, JUST A SMALL GROUP OF CITIZENS NOW MM-HMM.
INCLUDING MYSELF BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE SENIOR CITIZENS
I MEAN, WE ARE ALMOST OFF THE MAP, BUT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING LOCATION HAS MEANING MEANINGS TO SOME OF US THAT CAME ALONG AND AT THAT TIME.
AND IF THERE WAS SOMETHING COULD BE DONE WITH THE SCHOOL AS, AS FAR AS LEARNING, THEN THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATIVE BY SOME OF US.
MR. HARWELL, THANKS FOR THAT COMMENT.
'CAUSE I, I THINK EVEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEBATED THIS IN, IN THE COMMITTEE AND THE, THE ASSOCIATION OR FEELING THAT, WELL IT WAS RENAMED TO THE HISTORIC SOUTHSIDE EDUCATION CENTER THAT MAYBE IT WAS MEANING THAT IT WASN'T TO BE REUSED AS A SCHOOL, BUT MORE AS A, AS JUST AS IT'S A, YOU KNOW, MEMORIALIZING THE, THE FACILITY.
BUT OVER THE YEARS, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE ALUMNI OF THE HISTORIC SOUTH SIDE HIGH SCHOOL AND IT'S JUST, JUST BEEN THE OPPOSITE.
IT'S JUST IF THERE'S A WAY TO REPURPOSE IT THAT, 'CAUSE IT STILL HAS MAYBE SOME USEFUL LIFE OUT OF IT.
WE, YOU KNOW, PRESENTLY WE HAVE A PRIVATE, UH, COMPANY OR MAYBE IT'S NON NON-PROFIT OR PRIVATE, NO, NOT PROFIT.
THEY'RE PRI THE FOR-PROFIT NOW THAT ARE USING THAT FACILITY.
AND I THINK IT'S PART OF THEIR USER AGREEMENT THAT IF THE COUNTY EVER WISHES TO, UM, USE IT AGAIN FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, IT COULD.
AND NOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, WHAT'S LACKING THERE IS YOU HAVE THE TWO OLD ANNEX FACILITIES AND ONE USED TO BE A CAFETERIA MM-HMM
AND THE OTHER WAS SUPPORTED WITH MEDICINAL CLASSROOM SPACE.
UM, THE KITCHEN NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT THAT PROPOSED TO BE TORN DOWN IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS.
UH, I THINK THEN MAYBE EVEN 26 OR 27 27, WE'RE LOOKING AT TEARING BOTH THAT AND THE OLD JAIL DOWN.
UM, SO IF YOU WERE TO REPURPOSE THAT FOR A SCHOOL, YOU WOULD NEED TO ACCOMMODATE A NEW CAFETERIA AND KITCHEN OR AT LEAST FIGURE OUT SOME, SOME USE OF THAT TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT YOU HAVE SOME LAND THERE TOO.
I MEAN, WELL ACTUALLY THE CAFETERIA WAS MY FAVORITE, FAVORITE ROOM.
WAS IT REALLY
AND YEAH, TO MR. WALTER'S POINT, THE, THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING WAS RECENTLY RENOVATED.
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WAS, I SAY RECENTLY, BUT IT, IT, WE JUST FINISHED PAYING DEBT ON THAT BUILDING ABOUT FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO.SO THE TAXPAYERS HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR IT AND TO, TO THE POINT RIGHT.
THAT IF, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE SPOKE VERY CLEARLY TO THIS, THAT WE, WE GOTTA LOOK AT ALL OF OUR ASSETS AND IF, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO REPURPOSE, REUSE, WE NEED TO EVALUATE THAT TOO.
AND, AND WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THE STUDY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AT THE, AT, AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING OF NEXT, UH, WOULD CONTEMPLATE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT TO, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL USE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING ON IT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING A PART OF IT.
KNOWING THE FIVE TO SIX MEETINGS YOU HAD TO GO, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER END OF SOME OF THESE MEETINGS TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
AND SOMETIMES WE DID GET OUR FEELINGS OR THIS, THE CHAIRMAN HAS SAID SOMETIMES WE DIDN'T.
SO I THINK YOU'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB AND I KNOW HE HAS A QUESTION IF, YEAH.
I'M SORRY, JUST ONE LAST QUESTION ON, UH, NUMBER 17.
WHERE IS THE LOCATION OF THIS PARK AND WALKING TRAIL? OR IS THAT AT THIS POINT SOMEWHAT CONCEPTUAL OR, YEAH, LET'S SEE.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE IT'S AT.
IF IT'S GOT A, THE MECHANIC PARK NATURAL WALKING TRAIL IN GREEN SPACE.
DID DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT MR. I DON'T THINK WE DID ACTUALLY.
I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SAYING A WORD ABOUT IT.
YEAH, I, I REMEMBER SNUCK IN THERE, DIDN'T IT? IT DID.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK MORE INTO THAT ONE.
UM, BECAUSE I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER 21.
YEAH, I, I WAS, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT TOO BECAUSE OF A CONNECTION TO, YOU KNOW, APPOMATTOX NOW THAT THAT ONE IS, UH, APPOMATTOX RIVERSIDE PARK.
THAT, THAT'S WHERE THAT ONE'S BEING CONTEMPLATED FOR.
I'D HAVE TO CHECK ON THE MCKINNEY.
I THOUGHT THEY PIECE OF, THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOME AREAS AROUND THE, THE LEY BUILDING.
IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE THINK YOU COULD DO IT RIGHT AROUND THERE.
I WILL SAY THAT PARKS AND REC TOOK A BEATING ON THIS ONE.
'CAUSE NOBODY WAS WILLING TO VOTE FOR A PARKS AND REC THING BECAUSE WE WERE SO LIMITED AND WE NEEDED TO GET THESE OTHERS IN.
BUT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, IF WE DON'T PUT SOME OF THESE IN THERE AND PEOPLE CAN'T SEE SOMETHING NEW TO BE USED WITHIN THE COUNTY BY THE RESIDENTS, THAT THERE MIGHT BE A REVOLT.
AND, UH, SO THESE THINGS WORKED THEIR WAY BACK IN.
WE THOUGHT THEY WERE SMALL ENOUGH AND THAT WE, THAT THE COUNTY COULD BE CREATIVE IN FINANCING THOSE, LIKE PARTNERING WITH DOMINION OR PARTNERING WITH ALD OR SOMEBODY TO HAVE A, A NAME THERE.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ALD PARK OR YOU KNOW, DOMINION PARK OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY TAKE, UH, TAXPAYER FUNDS, BUT WE NEEDED TO PUT IT IN THERE AND HAVE IT READY TO GO, UH, FOR THOSE THINGS.
SO GOING BACK TO THE, SO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NATURAL WALKING TRAIL WITH ADJACENT GREEN SPACE FOR MULTI USE ATHLETICS AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.
TRAIL DESIGN WOULD DEPEND ON SPACE PROVIDED AT THE TIME OF THE PROJECT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN FYI 27 AS PLANNED IN PRICE FOR A LENGTH OF A HALF A MILE.
UM, NATURALLY, UH, PROGRESSING CIRCLE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S, THAT IS LOCATED AT THE UM, RAGSDALE C CENTER.
ONE THING, COINCIDENTALLY MARK, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU GOT AN INVITE.
IT WAS A 200 PEOPLE INVITE, BUT I GOT AN EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON TO UPDATE THE EAST COAST GREENWAY.
AH, I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS IF THEY WERE THINKING THESE DAYS.
I HADN'T TALKED TO HIM IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT THAT INVITE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
THE CIP IS PRESENTED BY MR. MASTER GA AND MR. WALKER.
MR. I THINK I KNOW YOU DIDN'T THINKING ABOUT WAS GONNA VOTE AGAINST YOU.
I'M SORRY, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T THINKING ABOUT WAS GONNA VOTE AGAINST YOU.
IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? UH, NO OLD
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BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR, ANY NEW BUSINESS? UM, NEW BUSINESS.JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, UM, JUST,
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I GUESS THIS COULD HAVE BEEN NEW OR OLD.THE LILY POND, UH, SOLAR PROJECT, UM, THAT YOU ALL HEARD THAT'S GONNA BE GOING TO THE BOARD, UM, AT THEIR MAY 21ST MEETING.
JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT.
WAS THAT A DELAY BY THEM? UM, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED? YEAH.
LILY PON SOLAR REQUESTED TO THE BOARD IF THEY COULD HEAR THAT IN MAY AND THE BOARD AGREED TO DO THAT.
I KEEP HEARING ABOUT AN RV PARK
IT IS FAR OUT ON 40 SOMEWHERE.
IT'S, IT'S, AND PEOPLE KEEP KEEP ASKING ME ABOUT IT AND I SAID WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
AND THEN I HEARD A DAY OR TWO AGO THAT DENNIS HAS THE PAPERWORK FOR THAT.
FOR PUBLIC SAFETY TO LOOK AT IT.
AND WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AGAIN NEXT WEEK AT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING.
I WAS GONNA BRING, I CAN GO AHEAD AND GO OVER NEWER PROJECTS.
THAT CAMPGROUND, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT PROPERTY LOCATION.
IT'S NOT AS LARGE A PROPOSAL AS WHAT WE HEARD, UM, LAST YEAR.
I MEAN IT WAS LOOKING TO MAKE PERMANENT RESIDENCE OUT OF IT ALMOST.
YOU MEAN LIKE A PRE CASE OF LAST YEAR? YEAH, KIND OF LIKE THAT.
MR. ROBINSON, BRAD'S BEEN WORKING A LOT WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT ONE.
WELL WHAT I HEARD IT WAS RIGHT ACROSS WHERE THEY'RE BRINGING THE SOLARS ACROSS FROM SUSSEX, THE 17 ACRES THERE.
DOWN IN SOME OF THAT, UH, LAND OUT THERE THAT IT'S BEEN MINE.
UH, WE USE LAND OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.
YEAH, THERE'S BEEN TALK OF THAT.
THERE'S A MUCH LARGER PORTION SOLAR PROJECT GOING SUSSEX COUNTY AND AS PART OF THAT PROJECT THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME ACREAGE IN DIMITY COUNTY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, BUT WE, THAT'S WHERE TALKED, WE, WE'VE HAD PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH INDIVIDUALS, THE APPLICANT WHO'S WORKING WITH SUSSEX ON THAT.
THEY, THEY HAVEN'T, YEAH, THAT WAS SO YEAH, THEY HAVEN'T, UM, THEY HAVEN'T BROUGHT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL FORWARD TO THE COUNTY RELATED TO THAT PROJECT, THAT SOLAR PROJECT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, FOR THAT CAMPGROUND PROJECT.
IT POSSIBLY BRINGING THAT TO YOU ALL AT THE MAY MEETING.
WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO SEE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
THE TIMEFRAME ON THAT, WE HAVE ANOTHER REZONING APPLICATION FOR THE WEST PETERSBURG AREA.
UM, I THINK IT'S ON SURREY AVENUE IN WEST PETERSBURG.
AND UM, THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO SOLD THE PROPERTY TO UM, RYAN HOLMES.
UM, LARRY SHAW OWNS LOTS IN WEST PETERSBURG AND HE'S INTERESTED IN TRYING TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY TO THE RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION SO THAT HE CAN DEVELOP SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG THE LOTS THAT HE OWNS ALONG SURREY AVENUE THERE.
THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ADVERTISED FOR YOUR MAIN MEETING FOR YOU ALL TO HEAR THAT REZONING CASE AT YOUR MAIN MEETING.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH SEVERAL RECENT RESOUNDING WE'VE HAD THERE, RIGHT? YES IT IS.
UM, AND THEN THE FLOWERS, UH, SOLAR PROJECT ROUTE FOUR 60, UM, BEHIND THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROPERTY ON THE, I GUESS YOU SAY NORTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
THERE'S ABOUT FOUR PARCELS THERE THAT, UM, APPLICANT'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS ON REZONING THAT TO OUR, UM, UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT, UM, FOR I GUESS SOLAR FARM SOLAR UTILITY SCALE PROJECT ON THAT ACREAGE THERE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT ACROSS FROM, UH, WALMART.
DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WALMART WHERE YOU ALL, UH, RECOMMENDED THE BOARD FOR THE, THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORE THAT'S THERE, THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
AND BEHIND THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, DO WE KNOW HOW CLOSE THEY ARE THROUGH THEM HOUSES BEHIND RIVER ROAD? 'CAUSE THAT TIES RIGHT THERE BY WALKER'S AND ALL THAT.
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THE THREE OR FOUR RIGHT.IT TIES IN WITH THAT WALKER'S ROAD, THAT PRIVATE ROAD BACK THERE.
UM, SOME OF THE HOMES WOULD BE FAIRLY CLOSE TO IT.
UM, BUT OF COURSE THEY'RE
THEY WON'T COME FUSSING THEN, BUT THAT PROJECT WILL, UM, LOOKING AT JUNE FOR THAT PROJECT TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THAT'S A BRIEF UPDATE ON UPCOMING REZONINGS, UH, THAT YOU ALL WILL BE CONSIDERING IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
DO WE, DO WE, DO WE MARK? YES.
UH, DO DO, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ANY LAND AT ALL THAT WE COULD USE FOR A SOLAR PROJECT? THE COUNTY? UH, YES THERE ARE, THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE UTILIZED FOR A SOLAR PROJECT.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIR.
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COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.I JUST THANK YOU KEVIN FOR COMING TO YEAH.
SHARE WITH US WHILE HE'S HERE.
I MEAN, AND MY, MY BIGGEST ONE WAS THE, UH, STORAGE UNITS ON FOUR 60.
THEY SAT THAT ZONING SAT LIKE THAT FOR 21 YEARS AND WE HAD NO WAY TO GO BACK AND DO, ADD THAT TO THE BEAUTIFICATION PROCESS AND ALL THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN, YOU, ONCE YOU GIVE ALL THAT STUFF, IT'S, IT'S JUST THERE TILL IT HAPPENS AND THINGS CHANGE AND YOU THINK OVER 21 YEARS, WHEN DID WE DO THAT? FOUR 60 NUMBER ONE BEAUTIFICATION STUDY? WAS I ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE FIRST TIME? YEAH.
THAT DID THAT THE ORIGINAL STUDY.
THAT WAS DONE IN 2004 ADOPTED BY THE BOARD IN 2004 AND UPDATED IT.
AND THEN WE UPDATED IT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO I MEAN THAT'S AT, I MEAN THAT CAME AFTER THAT, WHICH HAD WE LIMITED IT TO, LET'S SAY WE HAD PUT A, A THREE OR FOUR YEAR, IF THEY HADN'T BUILT ANYTHING, THEN THEY HAD TO COME BACK TO US.
THEN WE COULD HAVE PUT, IT NEEDS TO LOOK DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES.
AND WE WERE, WE'RE UNABLE TO, WE WERE UNABLE TO DO THAT.
AND IT, IT LOOKS BAD WHEN WE PUT THIS BEAUTIFICATION PROCESS IN AND THEY BUILD THAT AND PEOPLE GO, WELL I THOUGHT WE WERE BUILDING TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD ON NUMBER ONE AND FOUR 60.
AND I MEAN IT, MY NEXT ONE WAS THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE MAN HADN'T BUILT INTEREST RATES ARE TERRIBLE RIGHT NOW, BUT IF HE WAITS, LET'S SAY HE WAITED 10 YEARS FOR THAT, THAT CHANGES THE WHOLE SCHOOL THING.
THAT CHANGES A LOT OF THE CIP WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MIGHT GO, WHERE THINGS MIGHT HAPPEN THAT WE HAVE TO RETHINK THAT WHOLE THING.
UH, THE ZONING COULD STAY THERE, BUT WAS, WASN'T THERE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PRIOR THAT YES, THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE THAT YOU COULD SAY YOU NOW HAVE TO COME BACK TO US WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PART OR WHATEVER IT IS SO THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AND WE CAN REVISIT IT AND MAKE CHANGES AS NECESSARY FOR THESE THINGS.
TO CLARIFY YOUR COMMENT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS CAN WE HAVE SOME KIND OF CLAUSE IN FUTURE THINGS? 'CAUSE ANYTHING THAT'S PASSED IS RIGHT.
ANYTHING THAT'S PASSED IS PASSED, BUT, AND I THINK I ASKED MR. DRURY LAST MEETING AND HE SAID, YES YOU CAN, BUT IT'S, HOW IS THIS SUPPOSED TO LOOK? AND I THINK IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE BUILT INTO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS WHEN HE COMES AND GIVES US THE WHOLE THING AND GO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THINKING MAYBE YOU NEED TO PUT SUNSET CLAUSE OF TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, FOUR, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE FOR ONE.
AND WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO US.
I CAN TELL YOU AS MRUS FOUND OUT TONIGHT WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH MR. MAGO, JUST FINISHING THE SCHOOL THAT
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I DID AND WHICH, UM, WEDNESDAY WAS MY LAST, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, TUESDAY WAS MY LAST DAY THEREUM, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT PEOPLE DID TO KEEP THINGS LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING.
BECAUSE EVEN OVER IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY IS WHEN I WENT TO ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING FOR THE SCHOOL THAT I WAS GOING, ONE OF THEIR PLANNING COMMISSIONER I WAS TALKING TO, HE SAID IN HIS AREA, HE'S GOT OVER 5,000 HOMES THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED AND NOT THE FIRST ONE THAT'S EVER WAS STARTED.
AND, AND HIS WORDS WERE THAT COULD COME BACK TO HURT YOU WHEN YOU GO TO SAY LIKE THE SCHOOLS OR WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THE NEXT FIREHOUSE BECAUSE TODAY IT IS GOOD FOR THIS ERROR 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR 15 YEARS, IT MIGHT NOT BE WHERE WE WANT THE GROWTH TO BE AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO YOU WAIT, SO I I RETOLD IT.
WE NEED TO PUT SOME SORT OF STIPULATION ON SOMETHING TO WHERE THEY'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING.
AND EVEN IN THE SCHOOL THEY TALKED ABOUT, HEY, WE WANT TO SEE
WELL IT'S, WE MIGHT AS WELL DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'M THINKING NOW I'M LOOKING NOW WE HAVE PROPERTY, UM, ACROSS
BUT I, I KNOW IT WAS ZONED AND APPROVED.
I KNOW 20 SOMETHING OVER 20 YEARS AGO AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMETHING HAPPENS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF HOMES BEING BUILT OVER THERE AND WE'RE NOT SAFETY.
WE HAVE, WE'RE NOT PREPARED FOR IT SAFETY WISE.
SEE THAT ON S ROAD? I TOLD YOU THAT WHEN WE DID, WHEN WE APPROVED THOSE HOMES, THE NEW HOMES BEING BUILT ON THAT ONE SIDE, WE SAID IT, WE, WE SAT IN THAT MEETING AS SOON AS WE DID IT.
WE KNOW THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING WANTING TO BRING ALL OF HIS ENTRANCES OUT ON THE OLD ROAD AS OPPOSED TO GOING BACK THE OTHER WAY IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID.
SO, AND I WAS ACTUALLY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN WE WERE DOING RED FOREST THE FIRST TIME
UH, ALL OF THAT AND SETTING THAT UP FOR THE FUTURE.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY SAT ON IT FOR, GOSH, 15 YEARS PROBABLY BEFORE ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED AND YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THEN YOU KIND OF HUNG AGAIN, THAT'S JUST TOO LONG TO, LET'S LET'S LET THOSE THINGS SIT MAYBE.
HOW WOULD YOU MARK, I GUESS WE NEED TO TALK TO MR. DREWRY OR YES.
WE INDICATED THAT AT THE CIP MEETING THAT WE WOULD GET WITH MR. DRURY OR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND YEAH.
SEE WITH HIM, SEE WHERE YOU WOULD INSERT THAT.
AND I GUESS I, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE IN, IT NEEDS TO BE IN EVERY CASE THAT WE DO.
AND I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WANT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO SAY YEAH, I THINK WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING, SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO IT WOULD BE NICE.
WE NEED TO START WORKING THAT IN.
I HAVE SOME SORT OF FEEDBACK FROM THEM SO THEY'RE NOT BLINDSIDED.
DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THEM BLINDSIDED.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MARK, ANYBODY ELSE? UM,
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UNDER PLAN DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS? UNFORTUNATELY, I DO HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.UM, YESTERDAY I RECEIVED RESIGNATION NOTICE FROM OUR SENIOR PLANNERS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. ROBINSON.
UH, HE'S GONNA BE MOVING ON TO CAROLINE COUNTY.
SO UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE A, ANOTHER VACANCY AND WE'LL BE EARLY NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL BE PUTTING THAT OUT FOR ADVERTISEMENT.
BUT UNFORTUNATE NEWS FROM OUR STANDPOINT, BUT CORRECT.
AND I HOPE THAT'S A CASE OF HE'S GONNA LIVE CLOSER TO THAT AND TRUE.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE MISSING PAY OPPORTUNITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOO.
BUT NO, HE, HE DID INDICATE HIS, THAT WAS REALLY HIS MAIN REASON WAS THE, THE COMMUTE CLOSER AND LOOK IS CLOSER.
YOU CAN'T, CAN'T BLAME ANYBODY FOR BETTER IN THEIR SELF.
I DON'T CARE WHERE THEY GO, WHAT THEY DO.
WHERE DOES HE LIVE? WHERE DOES HE LIVE NOW? OH, HE LIVES OFF OF, UH, BROAD STREET.
NOT QUITE PARHAM AND BROAD AND THAT GENERAL AREA.
I USED TO COMMUTE OVER THERE AND I DECIDED THAT'S A HUMP TO PUT THAT TOO.
THAT'S A HUMP TO BE HERE ON TIME IN THE MORNINGS.
TRYING TO GET OVER HERE OUT HERE.
A METROPOLIS ALSO REST OF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
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I, I DO HAVE SOME VERY GOOD INFORMATION THAT, UM, THEY SHARE WITH US TO WHOLE CLASS.I HAVE THE WHOLE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND WHAT THEY DID.
UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
UM, THEY GIVE US A LOT OF, UM, WEBSITES THAT WE CAN GO TO.
EVEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, ONE OF KEVIN'S BUDDIES, I TOOK A CLASS THROUGH HIM EVEN LOOKING AT CORP, THEY HAVE THINGS THAT WE CAN GO ON AND LOOK AT AND GET FIGURES, NUMBERS AND IF WE WANTED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THAT STUFF, I DO HAVE A COPY.
UM, SEND IT TO MARK OR ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE IT IS SOME OF THE FRESH DATA.
UM, SOMETHING I'VE NOT HEARD A LOT ABOUT IS THAT I DID LEARN IN SCHOOL, UM, WE PROBABLY GETTING READY TO BE TALKED TO A LOT ABOUT, UM, LOW INCOME HOUSING.
UM, BECAUSE THE HOUSING, UM, GROUP DID COME IN THERE WITH SOME OF THEIR DATA AND TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET SOME OF THESE CONTRACTORS, IF THEY'RE BUILDING A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOME OR A $500,000 HOME, HAD ONE WITH THEIR HELP AND THE GROUPS THAT THEY WORK WITH THAT THEY CAN SELL TO SOMEBODY FOR 120, 130,000.
UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AROUND ALL THAT, KEVIN, WAS THEY CAN'T SELL IT AT A HIGHER RATE WHEN THEY GET READY TO SELL IT.
THEY CAN ONLY MAKE SOMETHING LIKE 10% OR SOMETHING.
AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO SEE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THE GOVERNOR AND THEM TO PUT SOMETHING ACTUALLY IN THAT SAYS THAT IF THEY BILL X NUMBER, THEY GOTTA BILL X NUMBER OR D SO THAT'S JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPE THAT MIGHT AFFECT ZONING IN THE COUNTY.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THAT I HAVE AND LIKE I SAID, I'D BE WILLING TO GIVE IT TO WHOEVER AND SHARE IT WITH WHOEVER AND SO YOU HAVE IT AT YOUR DISPOSAL AND MR. GURLEY CAN SEND IT ALL TO Y'ALL IF YOU, YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT.
BUT YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE HOUSING THING.
I JUST STUMBLED ON SOMETHING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
I, SOMEBODY TOLD ME A HOUSE WAS FOR SALE HERE IN THE COUNTY.
I WENT LOOKING AT IT, I WANTED TO GO SEE ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING AND I JUST WENT DOWN A RABBIT HOLE AND ALL THE NEW HOUSES THAT ARE BEING SOLD IN MCKINNEY BY, WE HAD A CASE MM-HMM
HERE SOME TIME AGO OUTSIDE OF TOWN.
THAT'S A TEENY TINY HOUSE AND THEY'RE GOING FOR $300,000.
SO I'M THINKING, I'M THINKING WHAT IS, HOW DO YOU DEFINE LOW INCOME ANYMORE? BECAUSE WHAT IS IT A HARDBOARD BOX AND WHAT, BECAUSE I MEAN I WAS, I WAS JUST SHOCKED AT THE PRICES THOSE HOUSES WERE GOING THERE.
REMEMBER THAT REASSESSMENT? YEAH.
I'VE ALREADY STARTED MOVING OUT THE CHESS PIECES OUT TWO, THREE YEARS.
I THINK I SEE WHAT'S COMING, BUT I, I'M JUST, BUT LIKE I SAID, OVERALL, MR. GURLEY, IT WAS A GREAT CLASS.
UM, AND EVERYTHING, UM, I AIN'T GONNA SAY I ENJOYED ALL THE TRIPS GOING BACK AND FORTH TO VCU
WHO TAUGHT, WHO WAS THE PRIMARY INSTRUCTOR? UH, TOM HAD FROM CHESTERFIELD.
Y'ALL KNOW WHAT TIME HE IS NOW, RIGHT? TRYING HOME.
WAS THAT MR. SIMMONS? MR. SIMMONS.
AND MR. TUCKER MADE THE SECOND.