[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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I AM READY, MR. CHAIR, OPEN THE MAY 8TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THIS IS THE TIME AND THE PLACE, SO COME TO ORDER.
UH, IF WE COULD JUST STAND, SAY A PLEASURE, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE BAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WILL PUT LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ROLL CALL.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
ALRIGHT.UH, WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
YOU HAVE THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU.
MARK, IS THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE? NO CHANGES.
ANY OTHERS WITH A CHANGE FOR THE AGENDA? ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
THEN I ADMIT, YES, I'LL SECOND IN IT.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ALRIGHT.IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE MARCH 13TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING.
WE WILL START WITH THE MARCH MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS TO THOSE MINUTES? AND IF NONE, UH, I WOULD TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND MR. TUCKER TIP? I'M SORRY.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APRIL 10TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING.
UH, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS THAT ANYBODY HAS SEEN FOR THOSE? HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVE? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.
MR. HARVILLE A AND MR. TUSS AYE.
FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING AYE.
[6. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
ALL RIGHT, WE MOVE ON TO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DESIRES TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITIZENS OF DENWITTY COUNTY TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS ON MATTERS PERTAINING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, AND WE ASK THAT THIS TIME BE USED FOR ANY COMMENT ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE ARE THE PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE DOING TONIGHT.
UH, WE ASK THAT YOU ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WITH DECORUM.
WE ASK THAT YOU NOT BE LOUD, DISRUPTIVE, AGGRESSIVE, AND TO, OR INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE, AVOID WORDS OR ACTS THAT ARE AIMED TO EVOKE IN VIOLENCE OR CAN BE DEEMED A BREACH OF THE PEACE.
LASTLY, DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THIS COMMISSION'S CHAIRMAN.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP? MR. CHAIR? THERE IS ONE PERSON SIGNED UP.
I'M SORRY, SIR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL MOLEN HOWER 3 8 0 5 TON BOULEVARD, SUTHERLAND, VIRGINIA, 2 3 8 8 5.
THE THE REASON I'M HERE TONIGHT IS, IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF AND EROSION CONTROL SYSTEM FOR THE COUNTY OF INWOOD.
UM, AS MOST SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, I'M VERY ADVOCATE ABOUT THAT.
UM, I'VE DONE TWO YEARS WORTH OF RESEARCH, INCLUDING THE DEQ.
I'D LIKE TO START OUT BY SAYING I, I ADDRESSED, UH, MICHAEL ROLAND AND UH, JAMES GOLDEN ON THIS, UH, PROPOSAL THAT I SAW AND ASKED IF THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED.
THEY WERE VERY BLUNT AND SAID THAT THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, AND THAT BOTHERS ME.
THE DEQ IS THE STATE AUTHORITY FOR ALL WATERWAYS.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A COPY
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OF THAT, I'LL FORWARD IT TO YOU.IT'S THE LIST OF CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IS, WILL THIS NEW ORDINANCE COVER ALL EXISTING SYSTEMS OR ONLY SYSTEMS BUILT AFTER AN ESTABLISHED DATE? WILL THIS NEW ORDINANCE ADDRESS THE SPECIALTY AREAS SUCH AS WHERE AG LAND ABUT SUBDIVISION PARCELS? WILL THIS NEW ORDINANCE INCLUDE RECTOR ACTIVE SYSTEM FAILURES? WILL THE NEW ORDINANCE IDENTIFY NEW AREAS OF SOIL DISTURBANCE AND STORM SURGE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL? HOW WILL THE NEW ORDINANCE BE LINKED TO ZONING R CONSERVATIVE? WILL THIS NEW ORDINANCE OBSERVE AND COMPLY WITH CURRENT BILL OF RIGHTS? IN EFFECT ARTICLE ONE, SECTION TWO, DUE PROCESS OF LAW OBLIGATION OF CONTRACTS TAKING OR DAMAGING OF PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WILL THE NEW ORDINANCE INCLUDE SEPARATE LANGUAGE FOR DIRECT SOURCE CONTACT COUNTY DRINKING WATER RESOURCES? WILL THE NEW ORDINANCE COMPLY WITH CURRENT DEQ LAWS? I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER 'EM.
THIS LIST OF, OF THE LAWS THAT ARE IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW, AS I SAID, THE DEQ SAYS, NO, THEY'RE NOT.
WILL THE NEW ORDINANCE ADDRESS AG STORMWATER RUNOFF SEPARATELY FROM RESIDENTIAL RUNOFF? WILL THIS NEW ORDINANCE RECOGNIZE THAT ALL PARTS, PIECES, TRIBUTARIES AND DISH LINES OF THE VIRGINIA STORMWATER RUNOFF SYSTEM ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF STATE, COUNTY, OR CITY AND NOT, I REPEAT NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY ARMS. WILL THE NEW ORDINANCE CONTAIN LANGUAGE ASSOCIATING THE USE OF CIVIL ENGINEERS OR ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS? WILL THERE BE A SCALE DEVELOPMENT THAT INDICATES PRIORITY LEVELS BASED OFF POSITION AND SYSTEM VELOCITIES, LAND AND VOLUME AND FLOW? I SPOKE TO CHRIS, CHRIS MOORE.
HE IS THE NEW DIRECTOR OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY FOUNDATION.
UM, AND HE HAS SENT ME, WE'VE TALKED BACK AND FORTH, THERE'S FIVE PROGRAMS IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW THAT WILL PAY FOR THIS, THIS NEW VENTURE.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW THE STEPS BY THE LAWS PUT IN.
ONE OF 'EM IS EVEN A, UH, FOR MAINTENANCE FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
YOU PUT YOUR ESTIMATE COST FOR WHAT YOU THINK IT IS GONNA COST FOR US TO MAINTENANCE THIS, THIS STORM WATER SYSTEMS IN, IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO I CAN BE A OF GREAT USE TO YOU AND, AND I WOULD ASK TO BE A PART OF THE COMMITTEE FORMING THIS, UH, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.
I JUST GOT A NEW PACKET FROM A YOUNG LADY AT VIRGINIA TECH, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PAGES LONG, FULL OF, UM, DIFFERENT STUDIES AND, AND THINGS FOR DEALING SPECIFICALLY WITH WASTEWATER OR, I'M SORRY, STORM WATER RUNOFF.
MR. CHAIR, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO CITIZEN COMMENT? THIS IS THE TIME AND THE PLACE FOR THIS.
IF NOT, I WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
[7. PUBLIC HEARING]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING CASE P DASH 24 DASH FOUR.AS YOU INDICATED, THIS IS P DASH 24 DASH FOUR.
THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING IS SOUTH PLAINS INCORPORATED AND IS THE, UM, THEIR AGENTS HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL.
UH, MR. HAMPTON GORDON TO REPRESENT THE CASE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST SLIDE, UM, THERE ARE 18 LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL R ONE AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO, UH, REZONE THOSE LOTS TO RESIDENTIAL URBAN R RU IN ORDER TO DEVELOP SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, ON THOSE LOTS.
UM, BASICALLY UNDER THE RU ZONING THAT WE, UH, CREATED, UM, UH, ONE OF THOSE AREAS WE CREATED, UH, THE ZONING DISTRICT FOR WAS THE, UM, WHAT'S COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE WEST PETERSBURG AREA DUE TO THE EXISTING PLATTED LOTS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, THE LOTS ARE GENERALLY 25 FEET BY 100 FEET LONG.
THE RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION ALLOWS
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FOR IF YOU COMBINE TWO LOTS TOGETHER, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT, UM, THAT'S 50 BY 100 FEET.AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, SETBACKS WITHIN THE RVU ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAT WE FEEL LIKES ALLOWS.
UM, IF YOU COMBINE TWO LOTS TOGETHER, ALLOWS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME ON THERE AND YOU CAN SEE AS PART OF YOUR PACKET FOR THIS CASE.
UM, MR. GORDON HAS DEVELOPED, UM, SURVEYS FOR, AGAIN, NINE, UM, RESIDENTIAL HOME SITES, UM, WHERE, UM, THOSE PROPERTIES CAN BE DEVELOPED, UM, FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
UM, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS ON THERE.
UM, TWO HOME SITES ON SURREY AVENUE AND THEN THE OTHER ON GREENSVILLE AVENUE.
UH, THOSE WERE PAST CASES THAT CAME BEFORE YOU.
ALL THE TWO LOTS ON SURREY AVENUE WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND THOSE SITES HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
THE TWO LOTS, UH, THAT WERE REQUESTED FOR REZONING, UM, WERE NOT APPROVED BY THE BOARD, UM, FOR THE RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
SO AGAIN, THAT THAT PROPERTY WAS NOT, UM, REZONED TO THE R RU CLASSIFICATION.
BUT THE TWO SITES, UM, ON SURREY AVENUE WERE REZONED UP THE RU CLASSIFICATION AND WERE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
UM, AS I'M SURE YOU ALL AWARE, UM, ALL OF WEST PETERSBURG WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE REZONED OUT.
THE RU CLASSIFICATION IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE AND THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING.
THAT'S THE DANCY ESTATE SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY BUILT OUT.
AND ALL THOSE 17 LOTS ARE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
UM, OUR NEWLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, PLACES THIS PORTION, UH, OF THE COUNTY WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AREA.
AND AS SUCH, THE GENERAL AREAS EXPECTED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO, UM, WITHIN OUR RU UM, ZONING CLASSIFICATION, THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FOR THAT CLASSIFICATION IS TO, UH, PROMOTE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
UH, WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS THE CASE WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING, UM, COMBINING LOTS TO ALLOW FOR, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE, UM, OF THE EXISTING, UH, DISTRICT AND EXISTING GENERAL AREA.
UM, PUBLIC UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WATER, AND SEWER, UM, IMPACTS ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
UM, WITH OUR RATIO THAT WE USE PER HOUSEHOLD, UM, INDICATED THAT PROPOSED POTENTIALLY FOUR STUDENTS TO THE, TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TRANSPORTATION.
VDOT DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THEIR LETTER, THEY DID INDICATE THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO ANALYZE THE, THE DITCH ALONG SURREY AVENUE, ENSURE THAT PROPER DRAIN DRAINAGE, UM, IS AVAILABLE, UM, ALONG SURREY AVENUE.
UM, AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
THEY JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT, THAT THAT WILL BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGAIN, OF THE PROPERTY.
SO LOOKING AT THE REZONING REQUEST, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION RESIDENTIAL URBAN IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES.
ADDITIONALLY, THE RU ZONING DISTRICT, AGAIN, WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING LOTS WITHIN THE URBAN AREA, INCLUDING WEST, THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE
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REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION, RESIDENTIAL URBAN R RU CONFORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THIS GENERAL AREA AS SET FORTH IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.UM, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
AGAIN, THE APPLICANT'S AGENTS HERE THIS EVENING, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT OR FOR THE APPLICANT, I'M SORRY, I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, ROANOKE STREET AND POTOMAC STREET, I'M ASSUMING THOSE WILL NOT GO INTO THAT OTHER SUBDIVISION AT ANY TIME THAT THAT WAS BUILT OUT.
UM, THAT, BECAUSE AREN'T ALL THOSE LOTS OCCUPIED NOW WITH A HOUSE AND SOLD? YES.
WHAT
WHICH ONES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? ALRIGHT, IF YOU LOOK AT ROANOKE STREET, THE FIRST CROSS STREET IN THERE THAT WOULD, THERE'S A BLANK SPOT BETWEEN 21 A ONE DASH 42 AND 21 A DASH ONE DASH 41.
UH, I, AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS IF THOSE COULD BE UTILIZED, IT WOULD HELP RELIEVE SOME TIGHTNESS OF HOUSES RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED, IT'S, TO ME IT'S A WASTE TO LEAVE A A LOT LIKE THAT AND NOTHING BE DONE WITH IT.
NOT BE, I MEAN IF YOU'RE NEVER GONNA PUT A CROSS STREET THROUGH THERE INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, WHY YOU, WHY WOULD YOU WANT HOLD ONTO THAT WHEN YOU COULD SELL IT AS A LOT IF THE COUNTY OWNS IT OR IF THE STATE OWNS IT, SELL IT AS A LOT, THEY WOULD MAKE THAT EASE.
SOME OF THE RIGHT PRESSURE ON THOSE LOTS, RIGHT? YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH TO SEE, AND OF COURSE THAT ONE OWNERSHIP, UH, ROANOKE STREET WOULD DEFINITELY HELP THEIR SITUATION.
MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD CLARIFY, JUST AS MARK SAYS ROADWAYS, I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS AS WELL AS A SURVEY, I IS VERY INTRICATE IN THE LAW, CHANGED THROUGH TIME.
UM, AND I WON'T GO ALL THE WAY BACK INTO IT, BUT I THINK IT WAS IN THE FIFTIES AND I'M SURE THIS PREDATES THAT, THAT IF YOU, NOWADAYS, IF YOU, UM, IF THE COUNTY APPROVES A PLAT AND IT'S RECORDED, ANYTHING THAT HAS A STREET ON IT IS DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY AND THE LOCALITY, THIS WOULDN'T BE THAT.
SO IT'S PROBABLY SOME, IT WOULD'VE TO BE A TITLE SEARCH DONE ON IT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS INTO IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COUNTING OUT.
I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A COMMENT JUST SO IT HAPPENS.
MR. MOLIN HOURS IS HERE AND RIGHT BESIDE HIS HOUSE WAS ONE OF THOSE SAME THINGS AND A PERSON WAS ABLE TO BUY IT.
THEY PURCHAS PURCHASED IT FROM THE COUNTY ACT BELIEVE WAS OR GIVEN TO HIM ACCORDING TO, ACCORDING TO DR. MOORE, THESE ARE HIS WORDS, IT WAS ABSORBED INTO A TWO BLOCK GATE.
SO THIS IS, I'M JUST SAYING THIS, I'M, I'M AWARE OF THAT SITUATION AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GET INTO THE TYPE OF SEARCH NO, DON'T, NO, DON'T TO GET INTO IT.
I'M JUST SAYING IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT.
IT TO ME, IT'S KIND OF FOOLISH TO LEAVE THEM LIKE THAT.
ANYBODY CAN BUY ANYTHING AND THEY CAN BEAT THESE TRANSFERS EVEN THOUGH NOTHING TRANSFERS.
JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT RIGHT NOW.
NOTHING TRANSFERS, SIR, YOU CAN RECORD A DEED IN THE COURTHOUSE.
AND I, OKAY, I YOU CAN SELL THE PARKING LOT AT, IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE THIS EVENING AND SOMEBODY ELSE SIGN IT AND GIVE YOU SOME MONEY FOR IT AND IT'S BETWEEN Y'ALL TWO.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT'S NOT A LEGAL TRANSACTION, THAT IT, YEAH, YOU CAN STILL PUT IT IN THE COURTHOUSE AND FILE STUFF AND IT'S NOT LEGAL.
ALL, ALL I GOTTA TELL YOU IS THAT IT'S, IT WOULD TAKE US THE REST OF THE EVENING FOR ME TO WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES, INCLUDING THE ONE YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SORRY, I'M SORRY I ASKED A QUESTION.
IT'S A, IT'S A BIG CAN OF WORMS.
I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THOUGH, IN NOWADAYS IF YOU RECORD A PLA AND IT HAS ROADWAY ON IT, IT'S COUNTY COUNTY CONTROL.
AND YOU CANNOT, THE OTHER THING IS, ACCORDING TO MR. UH, BREWERY, THERE, ONCE IT, IT IS RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE 9 1 1 SYSTEM, YOU CAN'T DO ANY FIX OF IT.
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UH, WHAT WAS THE RE UH, I GUESS THE OTHER HIGHLIGHTED ONE THAT IS ON THE STREET ON GREENSVILLE AVENUE? YEAH, ON GREENS FIVE.WHAT WAS THEIR REASON FOR DENYING? UM, I DON'T RECALL THE, THE REASON.
IT WAS JUST WHEN THEY VOTED, THEY RECOMMENDED OR DENIED THE REQUEST.
AND JUST TO BRING US ALL BACK UP TO SPEED, IT USED TO BE YOU HAD TO HAVE THREE OF THESE LOTS TO MAKE A HOUSE SPOT AT ONE POINT.
AND YOU HAD TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, EVEN THOUGH YOU DID HAVE THREE LOTS AND WERE ABLE TO COMBINE THOSE, YOU STILL HAD TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE ON CERTAIN SET SETBACKS RELATED TO THAT PROPERTY.
SO YOU COULD NOT DEVELOP IT WITHOUT RECEIVING A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
SO THEY ASKED STAFF TO COME UP WITH A ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE ABLE TO USE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO THEM AND ASK FOR VARIANCE.
BUT IT DID CUT IT DOWN WHERE THEY ONLY NEEDED TWO LOTS.
MR CHA, I'M GONNA OPEN MY MOUTH ONCE AGAIN.
IT WAS, IF MY MEMORY'S CORRECT, THE, THE BOARD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THIS OR NOT, WHEN THAT CASE CAME UP, THAT THE BOARD DENIED THERE WERE CITIZENS HERE IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT WERE VERY MUCH AND I BELIEVE A, A CHURCH.
IT WAS VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO IT.
AND, UM, I I THINK THEY ALSO VOICED THAT OPPOSITION OF THE PRESENT USE OF THAT LOT.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S, UH, SWAYED THE BOARD TO DENY THAT ONE.
IT WAS SPECIFIC TO THAT, THAT ONE LOT.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK HAMPTON GORDON? 14, 100 GORDON PLAN ROAD? GOOD EVENING.
UH, SO TO SPEAK TO THE, I I'M NOT, NOT TO BRING IT UP AGAIN, BUT TO SPEAK TO THE PAPER STREETS THAT ARE THERE.
UM, AND I CAN'T SEE ANYMORE, BUT IT'S ROANOKE AND, UH, ONE AT POTOMAC IS, IS GOT A WATERLINE EVEN THROUGH IT NOW.
UM, RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT, THEY TIED, WHEN THEY DID THE DANCY ESTATES, THEY TIED THOSE TOGETHER, THE WATER LINES TOGETHER COMING OUT THROUGH THAT, SO RIGHT.
THAT, THAT LOT WOULD NOT BE USABLE.
UM, AND THERE'S AN INTERESTING THING BETWEEN DANCY ESTATES AND WEST PETERSBURG, THERE IS A TWO FOOT WIDE SPIKE STRIP THROUGH THERE, SO THOSE ROADS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONNECT ANYWAY.
SO, UM, THAT WAS LEFT BY THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER OF WEST PETERSBURG WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES WERE DONE.
SO, UM, AND IRONICALLY THE MAN HAD TO PURCHASE THAT STRIP OF LAND TO GET THAT, THAT WATERLINE EASEMENT ACROSS IT.
WHEN HE DEVELOPED NANCY ESTATES, HE HAD TO BUY, I THINK IT'S LIKE 2000 FEET LONG BY TWO FEET WIDE APPROXIMATELY.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT CREATED HEARTBURN WITH EVERYTHING TOO, AS FAR AS TRYING TO EXTEND THE ROADS IN AT THAT TIME INTO, UH, WHAT'S NANCY ESTATES, WHEN WE, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IT, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS GOING TO GO.
IT WAS GONNA COME, STREETS WERE GOING TO CONNECT.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AND GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH VDOT DECIDED TO NOT CONNECT TO WEST PETERSBURG.
SO, UM, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, I THINK MARK DID A GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS PRESENTING THE CASE.
I'M REALLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? UH, YEAH, I I I DO, I GOT A QUESTION AND, AND IT'S CONCERNING THE VDOT S UH, TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, DRAINAGE DITCHES IN FRONT OF IT AND, UH, UH, BEING TOO POSSIBLY TOO SHALLOW.
WILL ALL THAT BE ADDRESSED? I MEAN, I GUESS IT'LL HAVE TO BE, IF VIDOS PUTTING YOU GOING PUT UP ENTRANCE INTO, YOU PUT A, PUT AN ENTRANCE I GUESS TO OBTAIN THE ENTRANCE PERMIT, I GUESS THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S REQUIRED TO CITE A, A FULL BLOWN ENS PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS WITH, IN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING LIGHTS, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUILDING LOT.
QUITE HONESTLY, I HADN'T, I HADN'T HEARD THAT, UM, COMMENT.
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THEY'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING A HOUSE PER TWO LOTS.THAT'S SO I DID SOME PLANS FOR THAT, YES.
UM, THERE'S SOME OF THEM, MOST OF 'EM WILL BE LIKE A SHOTGUN STYLE HOUSE, JUST LIKE THE AVERAGE DID THERE ON THOSE TWO LOTS.
AND THOSE HOUSES TURNED OUT NICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THERE AND LOOKED AT 'EM, BUT, UM, THEY GOT, UH, I DON'T SEE HOW IT CAN DO ANYTHING BUT, BUT IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH WHAT'S BEHIND IT THERE AT THE ESTATES AND THE, THE HOUSES THAT HAVE GONE IN THERE.
I MEAN, IF THAT CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE UP.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I KNOW THERE'S NOBODY HERE THAT, THAT THINKS THAT, UM, THAT, THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THERE HAS NOT HAD ITS ISSUES OVER IN THE PAST.
SO, UM, I THINK IF THE PEOPLE THERE WOULD PROBABLY APPRECIATE IT MORE IF THE, I MEAN THE PROPERTY VALUES WOULD HAVE TO GO UP.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING UP NOW, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY DEVELOPED LIKE IT IS.
SO YOU PUT SOME MORE HOUSES THAT JOIN IT IN A NICE HOUSES IN THERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW IT CAN BE A PROBLEM.
TO ME, IT'D BE A WIN-WIN ON BOTH SIDES.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT WAS THE ONLY, ONLY QUESTION I HAD.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE VDI IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE, YOU GOING TO DO IT, BE ABLE TO USE IT OR YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS CASE.
AND IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO.
UM, ANY COMMENTS BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS IF NOT, I DON'T, I MEAN I DID, I HAD, I HAD DECIDED THE SAME QUESTION HE DID AND MARK HAD ALREADY GIVEN ME THE ANSWER BEFORE I READ OVER.
IT WAS THE ONE THAT I SAW WITH V DOC SAID THEY THOUGHT IT WAS SHOT OF DITCHES AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GOT ADDRESSED WHEN IT DID.
ALRIGHT, WELL I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I WANT THE FIRST HIGHLIGHTED AT THE BOTTOM.
I'M OVER HERE WATCHING HAPPY DAYS NOW.
CAN I SAY I'M READING IT FROM MR. CUNNINGHAM.
LEMME GET OVER THERE WITH YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, LOOK AT YOU.
BE IT RESOLVED IN AN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6 A SEVEN.
IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT REZONING P 24 DASH FOUR BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND SECOND, CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL MR. SIMMONS? YES.
IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF? I HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS.
[9. NEW BUSINESS]
IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS? YES, MR. CHAIR.MR. EDWARDS WILL BE MAKING PRESENTATION TONIGHT ON OUR, UH, NEW PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR EROSION, SEDIMENT CONTROL AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
GIMME MORE REST OF COMMISSIONERS.
SO TONIGHT I'M GONNA GONNA GIVE Y'ALL AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE OF OUR NEW STORM WATER ORDINANCE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, AS YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY IS CHANGING THE REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING AND WE'VE HAD TO UPDATE OUR COMPLETELY UPDATE OUR NEW ORDINANCE.
UM, AND IT'S IN THE PROCESS GOING THROUGH THE, THE FINAL STAGES AND WE'LL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL NEXT MONTH.
SO YOU CAN GO ON AND GET THAT STARTED.
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THIS, OF THE VIRGINIA EROSION STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IS TO PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE CONTROL OF SOIL EROSION AND SEDIMENT DEPOSITION.AND THE MANAGEMENT OF THE EQUALITY AND QUANTITY OF RUNOFF RESULTED FROM LAND DISCERNMENT ACTIVITIES TO PREVENT THE UNREASONABLE DEGRADATION OF PROPERTIES, STREAM CHANNELS, WATERS, AND OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES.
SO TO KIND OF GIVE Y'ALL A LITTLE BACKGROUND, IN 2020, UH, 2000 14TH OF JULY, FIRST THE, UH, CITY OF, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE DIMITY COUNTY BECAME THE, UH, ADMINISTRATOR OF THEIR OWN VIRGINIA STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
AND IN 2016, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY DIRECTED THAT THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY UNDER THE VIRGINIA EROSION AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ACT TO CONSOLIDATE THE COMMONWEALTHS ENS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS INTO ONE.
THEN, UH, IN JUNE OF 2023, UH, VIRGINIA STATE WATER CONTROL BOARD ADOPTED THE NEW VIRGINIA EROSION SETTLEMENT, UH, EROSION AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS TO, TO CONSOLIDATE AND CLARIFY PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS AND ELIMINATE, ELIMINATE REDUNDANCIES AND CORRECT INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE E AND S PROGRAM AND THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM REGULATIONS.
SO WHEN JULY 1ST, 2024, WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR REGULATIONS IN EFFECT.
THE STATE GOES INTO EFFECT ON JULY 1ST, 2024.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE OURS APPROVED BY THEM.
SO AS PART OF THAT, WHAT THEY'VE ALSO DONE IS THEY'VE, TO KIND OF GIVE A BACKGROUND, THE BOARD ALSO APPROVED THESE REGULATORY CHANGES.
THEY'RE CHANGING THE POLLUTANT ELIMINATION SYSTEM PERMIT REGULATIONS.
THEY'RE CHANGING THE WATER PROTECTED, UH, WATER PROTECTION PERMIT PROGRAM REGULATIONS, THE GENERAL V-P-D-E-S PERMIT, WHICH IS, UH, OUR STORM WATER PERMITS REGULATIONS FOR CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIVES AND OUR, THE CERTIFICATION OF NON-POINT SOURCE NUTRIENT CREDITS.
SO THEY'RE CHANGING EVEN HOW WE ARE TO DO OUR NUTRIENT CREDIT CREDITS.
AS PART OF THAT AS WELL, THEY'VE ALSO CREATED WHAT THEY CALL THE NEW VIRGINIA STORM WATER MANAGEMENT HANDBOOK.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS HANDBOOK IS THAT IT PROVIDES GUIDANCE ON BOTH EROSION AND STORM WATER CONTROL MEASURES, UH, MEASURES.
AND IT, UH, COMPLIES WITH THE, UH, LAWS AND REGULATIONS OF THE VIRGINIA EROSION STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ACT, THE EROSION STORMWATER CONTROL LAW FOR LIKE HOW THESE NOT ADMINISTRATING THEIR V-S-E-S-M-P, THE VIRGINIA EROSION STORM MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS AND OTHER ASSOCIATED STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS IMPACTING EROSION AND SEMI CONTROL LANDS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
IT ALSO REPLACES THE OLD, THE 30-YEAR-OLD GREEN MANGO, THE RO SEDIMENT CONTROL MANGO.
THAT WAS DONE IN 1992 ALONG WITH THE, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT HANDBOOK IN 1999 AND THE HANDBOOKS DRAFTS OF 2011 OF THE DEQS AND ALL DEQS GUIDANCE AND MEMOS.
IT ALSO ESTABLISHES A, B AND P CLEARINGHOUSE, WHICH PROVIDES DETAILED B AND P SPECIFICATIONS, MANUFACTURE TREATMENT DEVICES, EVALUATION INFORMATION, AND OTHER REFERENCES AND TOOLS.
SO, SO NOW THERE'S GONNA BE ONE MANUAL.
SO WHEN PLANS ARE REVIEWED OR WHEN PEOPLE ARE DESIGNING THESE THINGS, INSTEAD OF HAVING FOUR OR FIVE MANUALS THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT, THEY NOW HAVE ONE MANUAL AND IT WILL BE A LIVING DOCUMENT.
SO IT'S FLUID EVERY SIX MONTHS THEY'LL ADOPT, UH, NEW CHANGES TO IT.
THEY ACTUALLY WILL HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT'S ON STAFF THAT IF, IF LOCALITIES SEE THAT THERE'S ISSUES, WE CAN SUBMIT COMMENTS TO THE DEQ AND THEY WILL ACTUALLY CHECK THOSE AND SEE IF THEY'RE VALID AND THEY WILL ADDRESS THE HANDBOOK AND CHANGE IT ACCORDINGLY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 30 YEARS UNTIL A NEW CHANGE COMES.
IT ALSO, ANOTHER THING IT ALSO DOES IS IT ALSO CHANGES HOW PHOSPHORUS LOADING IS CALCULATED.
AND THE OVERALL LIMIT NOW, UH, REGULATIONS REQUIRE 26 POUNDS PER ACRE PER YEAR INSTEAD OF THE 41.
SO IT INTER, IT ALSO INTRODUCES NEW LAND COVER CATEGORY CALLED MIXED OPEN, WHICH IS CATEGORY BETWEEN, UM, FORCED OPEN AND MANAGED TURF.
IT ALSO ACCOMMODATES TWO NEW POST-DEVELOPMENT BNP, WHICH IS THE RE REGENERATIVE, STORMWATER CONVEYANCE AND TREE PLANTING.
AND THIS IS ALL UNDERNEATH THE VIRGINIA RUNOFF REDUCTION METHOD THAT THEY PUT IN IT.
AND IT ALSO IS REQUIRED TO BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEW HANDBOOK STARTING JULY 1ST, 24TH.
SO THIS RUNOFF REDUCTION METHOD AND THE HANDBOOK HAVE TO WORK HAND IN HAND.
SO HOW THESE CHANGE WAS GONNA AFFECT DEVELOPMENT FROM HERE ON OUT IS THE CONVERT IS THE CURRENT RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT VIRGINIA, UH, POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT.
EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKING UNDER THEIR CURRENT PERMITS EXPIRE ON JUNE 30TH, 2024.
SO ALL OPERATORS HAVE TO SUBMIT THE NEW REGISTRATION STATEMENT FOR REISSUANCE OF THE PERMIT, WHICH MAJORITY OF 'EM HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT.
UH, SO THE MERGER WILL HAVE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE EXISTING EROSION AND OF CONTROL MINIMUM STANDARDS AND NO CHANGES TO POST CONSTRUCTION, STORM MANAGEMENT TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
HOWEVER, CONTRACTORS WILL BE EXPERIENCING A LEARNING CURVE AS THEY ADJUST TO THE
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NEW WAY OF DOING BUSINESS BROUGHT ON BY THE MERGER OF THE PROGRAM.SO CONTRACTORS WILL ALSO NEED TO BE, WILL NEED TO COMPARE THE ADOPTED REGULATIONS WITH THE OLD REGULATIONS TO MAKE SURE, SEE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.
SO AS I'VE STATED BEFORE, THE WATER QUALITY HAS BECOME MORE STRINGENT.
SO WITH THE TOTAL PHOSPHORUS DEVELOPMENT CANNOT EXCEED TO 26 PER POUNDS, POUNDS PER ACRE PER YEAR UNDER THE NEW REGULATIONS VERSUS THE 41 PER ACRE UNDER THE CURRENT VSMP REGULATIONS.
SO THAT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA CAUSE IS THAT'S GONNA CAUSE THE ENGINEERING DESIGN WILL BE MORE COMPLEX DUE TO THE STRINGENT REG, UH, RUNOFF TREATMENT REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEREFORE, MOST LIKELY YOUR COST OF DEVELOPMENT WILL PROBABLY INCREASE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.
'CAUSE YOU'RE, BECAUSE NOW THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO TREAT MORE, SO THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME SORT OF COST IN DEVELOPMENT, NOT, MIGHT NOT BE MUCH, BUT BASED OFF THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW NUTRIENT CREDIT PURCHASE REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO HOW THESE ARE CHANGES GONNA AFFECT THE COUNTY IS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO REDO OUR WHOLE ENTIRE PROGRAM.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS ORDINANCE IN PLACE BY JULY 1ST, 2024.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THE ORDINANCE.
NOW THE NEW RUNOFF REDUCTION METHODS, LAND COVER CATEGORIES, BMPS WILL PLAY A CRITICAL ROLE IN DURING PLAN REVIEW B AND B DESIGN, REVIEW AND INSPECTION COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW REGULATIONS.
UH, WE ALSO ARE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NEW SOLAR FARM STORMWATER RUNOFF CALCULATIONS THAT ARE ACCOMMODATING.
NOW THAT'S COMING WITH THIS, THE BIGGEST THING THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THIS IS THE NEW IS FARM BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES WILL BE REGULATED UNDER THESE REGULATIONS THROUGH THE AGREEMENT LEGAL PROCESS IF LESS THAN 5% IMPERVIOUS TO THE LAND PARCEL.
AND IF THE IMPERVIOUS AREA IS 5% OR GREATER WILL REQUIRE AN ESC PLAN, STORMWATER PLAN, AND OR POSSIBLY A STORMWATER PERMIT.
THIS ALSO APPLIES TO AGRITOURISM.
SO NOW STORM, UH, FARM STRUCTURES ARE NO LONGER EXEMPT FROM THIS PROGRAM.
STEVE, IF IT, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU JUST A SECOND? YES.
IT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO INTEREST TO ME.
HOW IS THE 5% CALCULATED? THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.
THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH ALL OF THIS.
Y'ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING? YEAH.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON BECAUSE THIS HASN'T, THIS HAS NOT BEEN INITIATED YET.
THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING OUT ALL THE FINAL DETAILS.
AND THEN, UH, ALL THE COUNTY APPLICATIONS PERMITS, INSPECTION REPORTS WILL HAVE TO BE REVISED TO MEET THE NEW REGULATION REQUIREMENTS.
AND OF COURSE THE LEARNING CURVE OF THE NEW PROCESS OF REPORTING THE NEW HANDBOOK, INSPECTION PROCESS OF THE NEW B AND PS.
THAT'S ALL GONNA BE WHAT'S GONNA AFFECT OUR COUNTY.
ANY QUESTIONS? I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT
SO THE COUNTY AND THE STATE WOULD BE THE SAME? YES.
NO DIFFERENCE NOW IT NEVER HAS BEEN A DIFFERENCE.
SO THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN STORM WATER MANAGEMENT? NO, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO.
BEING THAT WE'RE A DEALING RULE STATE, WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES.
SO OUR TEMPLATES ARE BASED OFF OF WHAT THEY PROVIDE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
THEY PROVIDE US THE ONLY THING WE CAN ADD, WE CAN ADD SOME THINGS TO IT ALONG THE LINES WHEN IT COMES TO FEES AND COMES TO UH, UH, VIOLATIONS.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE REGULATIONS, EVERYTHING IS DERIVED BY THEIR, THE STATE REGULATIONS AND THEIR, UH, LAWS.
IF WE DECIDE TO BECOME MORE STRINGENT IN WHAT THEY APPLY, I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO SEND IT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, HAVE TO GIVE A DEFINITIVE REASON ON WHY, AND THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPES OF SITUATIONS WHERE IT WOULD BE LIKELY THAT IT, UM, IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE WHERE THE 0.26, UH, POUNDS VERSUS THE 0.41 IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE? LIKE WHAT TYPES OF RUNOFF OR SITUATIONS DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? JUST IN GENERAL? IT'S, IT'S BASED OFF OF THE TOTAL TREATMENT OF IMPERVIOUS AND THE FLOW TO THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE CALCULATIONS THAT WILL BE, UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE TYPICALLY JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL UPDATE ON THAT AS WELL.
WE ARE WHAT WE CALL ONE YEAR TRANSITION PERIOD FROM THE WHOLE TO THE NEW.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAD TO HAVE THESE THINGS IN PLACE, THERE WILL BE A TRANSITION PERIOD.
SO TECHNICALLY THESE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 0.26 WILL NOT TECHNICALLY BE REQUIRED TILL 2025, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THIS STUFF IN PLACE NOW.
SO IF THE ENGINEERING FIRM DECIDES TO GO WITH THE CURRENT REGULATIONS, THEY HAVE TO STICK WITH THAT IN THE HANDBOOK.
IF THEY DECIDE TO STICK WITH THE OLD ONE, THEY HAVE TO STICK WITH THE OLD ONES.
IT'S A LITTLE COM IT'S A LITTLE CUMBERSOME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE TO GIVE A ONE YEAR TRANSITION TO GET EVERYBODY TRAINED ON THE NEW PROCESS.
UM, A LOT OF THAT IS GONNA BE GENERATED THROUGH THEIR EXCEL SPREADSHEET THROUGH THE VRRM,
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THE VIRGINIA RUNOFF REDUCTION METHOD BASED OFF YOUR LAND COVERAGE.NOW THAT THEY'VE ADDED A NEW, UH, UH, LAND COVER TYPE, IT'LL BE GENERATED BASED OFF OF THAT TO DETERMINE.
BUT ONCE THEY START THE, THE NEW REGULATIONS, IT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED, EXCUSE ME, REQUIRED YOU HAVE TO DO 0.26 POUNDS PER ACRE.
AND WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT, I GUESS WAS, UH, I KNOW WHEN I WAS A VI, YOU KNOW, STUFF THAT FALLS OFF OF VEHICLES ALL THE TIME, THAT'S WHAT GENERATES A LOT OF THE PHOSPHORUS.
AND I WOULD SEE THAT THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
BUT IN IN, IN THIS INSTANCE THOUGH, THE CONTEXT OF, OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY TO BE A, A BIG ISSUE.
WE, WE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE STILL HAVE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, THE NEW REGULATIONS HAVE ALSO MADE IT TO WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY STATING THAT TURF GRASS PRODUCES A MORE PROBLEMATIC, UH, NUTRIENT LOAD THAN YOUR ROADWAYS NOW BECAUSE OF THE FERTILIZERS AND ALL, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, TURF GRASS IS MORE COMPACT.
IT HAS, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS SOME SATURATION, IT STILL HAS A, A RUNOFF METHOD TO IT.
UM, BUT BASED OFF OF WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY CALCULATED ON THEIR SPREADSHEETS, IT IS THE 0.26.
IT HAS TO MEET THAT POINT OF THE 0.26 ON WHAT THEIR PHOSPHORUS LABOR REQUIREMENTS ARE OF TREAT OF NOT ALLOWED TO RELEASE.
UM, SO THERE IS NO ONE OR THE OTHER, IT'S, IT'S SET UP IN THEIR FORMULAS FOR THAT.
LUCKILY WE'RE NOT A CHESAPEAKE BAY.
AND, UH, WE'RE NOT PART OF THAT CHESAPEAKE REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENTS, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY THE NORTHERN PART OF OUR COUNTY DOES FLOW INTO THE APPOMATTOX UP INTO THAT WAY.
BUT THE, THEY DIDN'T MOVE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHESAPEAKE INTO DOING COUNTY, WHICH I THOUGHT THEY WERE AFTER ALL THE MEETINGS WHEN WE WENT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE CHEEZ BAY RULES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MEET THAT 2,500 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD THAT PERMITTING THROUGH THE CHES BAY AND THAT STUFF.
HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE TO MEET THE ALL STORM WATER REGULATIONS THAT THEY WOULD MEET IN THE BAY WHEN IT COMES TO TREATMENT WISE.
SO WHO, WHO IS PART OF THIS COMMITTEE? YOU TALK ABOUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A CHANGE, IS THAT A COMMITTEE? IT COMMITTEE THAT'S, OR THAT A STATE, IT'S A COMMITTEE THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, OVER, IT'S PART OF THE, IT'S, UH, DEPARTMENT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
UM, THEY'RE, UH, THEY HAVE UH, THIRD PARTY ENGINEER FIRMS THAT ARE ON HAND TO HELP THEM WITH IT.
UH, THERE ARE SOME LOCALITIES, UH, CHAIR PEOPLE THAT ARE ON IT THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE, MOST OF 'EM ARE PRETTY MUCH, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN MS FOURS OR IN CHE BAY AREAS THAT ARE ON IT.
UM, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WAS, UH, PUT TOGETHER BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY THAT OVERSEES THIS HANDBOOK AND THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE.
AND, UH, WHAT YOU DO IS WHEN A LOCALITY, LIKE IF I'M LOOKING AT THINGS AND I'M SAYING, HEY, THIS DOESN'T, THIS SHOULDN'T APPLY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND WE SEE THAT THERE'S SOME DEFINITIVE REASON WHY WE WOULD SUBMIT IT TO A COMMENT, COMMENT PROCESS TO THE, TO THE COMMITTEE AND THEY REVIEW IT.
AND THEN IF THEY DETERMINE THAT YES, THAT THAT PROBABLY IS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, THEY WOULD CHANGE IT AUTOMATICALLY AND SEND OUT A MASS MEMO TO ALL LOCALITIES THAT AND THE REGULATIONS ARE GONNA CHANGE OR THIS IS GONNA CHANGE BASED OFF OF REASONS THAT WE PRESENT.
WHAT THANK GOODNESS WE NEED THAT.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE ELIMINATED ALL THE INVASIVE SPECIES THAT WERE IN THE MANUALS.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAVE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED A SECTION WHERE THEY ACTUALLY COULD TELL YOU WHICH ARE THE BEST PLANTS THEY USE IN YOUR, AND THEY LISTED ON WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE THAT YOU NEED TO BE, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE NAME OF PLANTS, THE TYPE OF PLANTS, WHAT THEY WERE, WHAT THEY'RE USED FOR.
THEY HAVE THAT BROKEN DOWN THAT, SO IT'S VERY DESCRIPTIVE AND VERY INFORMATIVE.
IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT A 2000 PAGE MANUAL NOW, BUT IT'S ALL ONLINE SO IT'S NOTHING'S PAPER ANYMORE.
SO ANYTHING YOU SUBMIT TO THEM THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE, WHAT THEY REVIEW, IF THEY SEE THAT IT, IT IS A PROBLEM, THEN YOU CAN DEFEND IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? THANK YOU SIR.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? ANYBODY GOT ANY COMMENTS THEN WE'RE PAST COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND
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WE'RE ON TO PLANNING DIRECTOR COMMENTS.MS. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF UPCOMING CASES WE WILL HAVE.
UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
BUT AT OUR NEXT JUNE MEETING, JUNE 12TH MEETING, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, UH, ONE CASE, THE REZONING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR WHAT'S BEING CALLED THE FLOWERS SOLAR PROJECT.
THAT'S THE PROPERTY THAT'S NORTH OF FOUR 60 AND NORTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
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REQUEST TO HAVE A UTILITY SCALE SOLAR PROJECT, UM, ON MULTIPLE PROPERTIES, AGAIN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD THERE.AND THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR.
YOU, YOU KNOW THE SIZE OF THAT? I'M SORRY? HOW MANY ACRES? IT'S A 20 MEGAWATT PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S APPROXIMATELY 500 ACRES.
ANYBODY ELSE? UH, IF NOTHING ELSE IS NEAT TO WORK ON, I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN.