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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THIS IS THE TIME AND THE PLACE FOR THE JULY 10TH, 2024 MEETING.I WANT TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, IF WE WOULD PLEASE, UH, LET'S STAND, SAY A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, INJUSTICE FOR ALL.
MR. HARVILLE HERE AND MR. TUSS HERE.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE AGENDA AT THIS TIME? UH, STAFF HAS NO RECOMMENDED CHANGES.I APPROVE THE, OUR MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
BEEN EMAILED THE JUNE 12TH, 2024, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THAT? I DIDN'T SEE ANY.
[6. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
ON TO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.UH, THIS IS A PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH THE CITIZENS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT LISTENING TO TONIGHT AS A CASE.
UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK, UH, HOPE YOU EITHER SIGNED UP OR WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
IT SAYS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DESIRES TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS ON MATTERS PERTAINING TO ZONING ISSUES THAT ARE NOT LISTED UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING.
IT IS FOR THAT PURPOSE THAT THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD IS PROVIDED.
THIS TIME IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, NOR IS IT A TIME FOR DIALOGUE WITH COMMISSION MEMBERS OR STAFF.
CITIZENS WHO DO TAKE PART IN THIS COMMENT PERIOD MUST ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING.
ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WITH DECORUM.
UH, NO LOUD, DISRUPTIVE OR AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE AVOIDED.
AVOID WORDS OR ACTS THAT ARE AIMED AT INVOKING VIOLENCE OR CAN BE DEEMED A BREACH OF THE PEACE.
AND LASTLY, DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION CHAIR.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP? MR. CHAIR? THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME? YES MA'AM.
IS IT ON ANYTHING WE'RE LISTENING TO TONIGHT? THE SOLAR, THE, UH, SO WAIT FOR THAT ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT IF, ALL RIGHT.
WE GOT A LOT ON THE DOCKET TONIGHT.
I'M GONNA TRY TO BE AS STREAMLINED AS POSSIBLE.
THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT THAT HAVE THINGS IN FRONT OF THEM, YOU WILL BE GIVEN 10 MINUTES.
ANYBODY THAT IS RESPONDING TO ANY OF THE APPLICANTS UNDER PUBLIC HEARING WILL GET THREE MINUTES AND THERE WILL BE A TIMER THAT WILL COME UP.
UH, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU BE BRIEF TO THE POINT.
AND WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
[7. PUBLIC HEARING]
WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARING CASE P DASH 24 DASH TWO.AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, MR. CUNNINGHAM HAS A COMMENT THAT HE NEEDS TO MAKE AT THIS TIME.
UH, HU UH, THIS IS HIS DISCLOSURE OF INTEREST PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH THREE 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA
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1950 AS A AMENDED AT THE JULY 10TH MEETING, WHICH IS NOW MEETING OF THE DIY COUNTY PLAN COMMISSION.AYE, WAYNE CUNNINGHAM AND INTEND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION OF CASE P DASH 24 DASH TWO AND KC DASH 24 DASH TWO.
FLOWERS SOLAR LLC FLOWERS SOLAR LLC MAY SELL ELECTRICITY TO DOMINION POWER.
I AM EMPLOYED PART-TIME BY DOMINION POWER AND ONE OF MANY EMPLOYEES.
I'M ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS AND VOTING VOTE ON THE MATTER FAIRLY OBJECTIVELY AND THE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
ALRIGHT, MARK, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE BOTH THE ZONING AND THE OTHER AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT WE CAN, MR. CHAIR? I MAY YES, PLEASE, MR. SPEAK IN AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH US COMBINING THE REZONING AND CUP AND HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE SAME TIME AND YOUR TIME WILL REFLECT THAT YOU'LL GET 10 MINUTES FOR EACH.
SO THAT MAKES A COMBINED 20 MINUTES THAT YOU'LL GET TO SPEAK AT THAT POINT.
WOULD WE DO ONE BEFORE THE OTHER OR JUST DO ALL THIS? I WOULD TELL YOU JUST TO DO THE WHOLE THING ALL AT ONE TIME AND WE'RE GONNA ASK QUESTIONS ON THE WHOLE THING AND ALL THAT.
ALRIGHT, MARK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRING THE CASE BEFORE US TONIGHT? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, THIS IS THE, UH, REZONING PORTION OF THE CASE THAT I'LL BE PRESENTING FIRST THIS EVENING, UH, FOR FLOWER SOLAR, LLC.
AND THIS IS OWNED BY GREEN VOLT POWER ACTUALIZED, LLC.
AND, UM, THEY'RE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE HERE TONIGHT.
UH, MR. WHITE IS HERE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICATION AS WELL, AND OF COURSE, HE'LL BE MAKING HIS PRESENTATION AF AFTER MINE.
UM, ON THE SLIDE, UH, FOR ANYONE HERE THAT'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE, UM, THIS IS AN OVERALL, UH, CONCEPTUAL MAP, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
THE PROPERTIES INCLUDED, THERE ARE SIX PROPERTIES TOTALING 228 ACRES.
UH, THE CENTRAL, UH, THE PROJECT THAT ABUTS UP TO THE, UH, NORTHERN EDGE OF THE RAILROAD, THE CENTRAL PARCEL, THERE IS ONE PARCEL, UM, THAT'S ZONED M TWO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
UM, AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL.
AND OF COURSE, THE REZONING IS TO REZONE ALL OF THE SIX PROPERTIES TO THE SED UTILITY SCALE.
UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECT, IF APPROVED, IS TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A 20 MEGAWATT AC SOLAR VOLTAIC ELECTRICAL GENERATION PROJECT.
UH, THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT I DISCUSSED, UH, THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED M TWO, IS APPROXIMATELY 54 ACRES, AND THAT'S THAT PORTION OF PROPERTY, UH, THAT'S ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE RAILROAD.
UM, ALSO LOOKING AT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT DOES INCLUDE, UH, CURRENTLY 75 FOOT SETBACKS FROM ALL PERIMETERS OF THE PROJECT, UM, WITH EXISTING VEGETATION BEING PRESERVED, UH, FOR SCREENING AND WHERE, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE AREAS WHERE EXISTING VEGETATION, UH, DOESN'T EXIST AND ISN'T SUFFICIENT FOR THE SCREENING.
SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE HIGHLIGHTED GREEN AREAS ARE WHERE, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING, UM, AS PART OF THAT 75 FOOT BUFFER TO SCREEN THE PROJECT, UH, FROM VIEW.
UM, AFTER, UH, VOT REVIEWED THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS RELATED TO THE, TO THE PROJECT, UM, THEY INDICATED, UH, VDOT WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT, UM, FROM ROUTE FOUR 60.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE FAR EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN ACCESS POINT FROM THE NORTHERN END OF THE PROJECT OFF OF WALKER'S POND DRIVE.
UH, THE PROJECT IS, UM, LOOKING TO TIE INTO THE EXISTING DOMINION DISTRIBUTION, UH, GRID LINE THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ROUTE
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FOUR 60.UM, THEY WOULD, UM, OR UNDER THE, THE RAILROAD AND MAKE THAT CONNECTION ON THAT, UH, DISTRIBUTION, DISTRIBUTION LINE.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S THE, UH, DOMINION DISTRIBUTION LINE EXISTING LINE THERE.
THE SOLAR PANELS THEMSELVES WOULD COVER APPROXIMATELY 94 ACRES OF THE SITE, AND THE FENCED AREA OF THE SITE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 145 ACRES.
SO THE PANELS WOULD COVER 41% OF THE LEASED AREA AND 65% OF THE FENCED AREA OF THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SIX INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, UH, FOR THE OVERALL REZONING.
AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE, UH, LAND USE IN THE AREA, ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UH, TYNDALL OR ITS OWNED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, UH, THE TYNDALL PROPERTY, UH, TO THE EAST IS OWNED.
UM, THE WALMART DISTRIBUTION CENTER ACROSS FOUR 60 IS ZONED M1 INDUSTRIAL.
AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT.
UH, THE PURPOSE, UH, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE DISTRICT IS TO OUTLINE THE PROCESS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, INSTALLATION AND OPERATION OF SOLAR AND ENERGY PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY.
UM, IT'S HOPED THAT THE SOLAR AND ENERGY DISTRICT WOULD PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ENSURE THE PROTECTION OF HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, WHILE ALSO AVOIDING ADVERSE IMPACTS TO INDUSTRIAL LANDS, ENDANGERED SPECIES HABITATS, CONSERVATION LANDS, AND OTHER SENSITIVE LANDS.
UM, LOOKING AT THE, OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, UM, THE PROJECT FALLS WITHIN, UH, TWO DEVELOPMENT AREAS WITHIN OUR CONSERVATION PLAN.
UH, ONE IS THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA AND THE OTHER IS THE PHASED GROWTH AREA.
UH, WALLACE CREEK, UM, RUNS THROUGH THE PROJECT SITE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF CUTS THE, UH, SITE IN HALF.
IT RUNS FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST, AND THAT SOUTHERN PORTION OF, UH, BELOW WALLACE CREEK, UM, THAT IS THE AREA, UM, THAT'S DESIGNATED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA AND EVERYTHING NORTH OF WALLACE CREEK, UM, THAT KIND OF FOLLOWS THE POWER LINES AND THEN ALSO CROSSES OVER, UM, WALKER'S POND DRIVE.
UM, THAT AREA IS WITHIN OUR PHASED GROWTH AREA.
THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER USES, UH, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE LISTED AS, UH, HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, AND PUBLIC FACILITY USES.
AND THEN IN OUR PHASE GROWTH AREA, UM, PROPOSED USES ARE RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL, AGRITOURISM, AND INSTITUTIONAL USES.
UM, ALSO LOOKING AT OUR, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, CHAPTERS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THAT THIS, THIS PROJECT, UH, WOULD, UH, WOULD YOU REFLECT ON LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT? ONE IS CHAPTER THREE, NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
UM, THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT OUR PRIME AGRICULTURAL LANDS AND, UM, PROTECTING THOSE PRIME AGRICULTURAL LANDS, UH, SENSITIVE LANDS AND HABITATS, UH, PROTECTING THOSE AIR AND LIGHT ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE.
UH, CHAPTER SEVEN, OF COURSE, OUR LAND USE CHAPTER.
UM, LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES FOR THAT, UM, TALKS ABOUT OUR FUTURE LAND USE FRAMEWORK AND OUR DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
AND OF COURSE, I WENT OVER THE, THIS PROJECT FALLS WITHIN OUR EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA AS WELL AS WITHIN OUR PHASE GROWTH AREA.
WE ALSO HAVE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, UM, THAT TALK ABOUT, UH, INTEGRATING OPEN SPACE INTO OUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT AREA AND ANY PROPOSED PROJECTS WITHIN
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OUR DEVELOPMENT AREAS.UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WITH THE PROJECT, UM, THERE ARE, UH, NATURAL RESOURCES WITH THIS IN THE AREA.
UM, AND THEY'VE TRIED TO LAY THE PROJECT OUT TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON FLOODPLAINS, WETLANDS AND STEEP SLOPES.
AND AGAIN, THEY'VE ALSO, UH, PROVIDED THE 75 FOOT, UH, BUFFER WHERE THEY PLAN TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT VEGETATION.
AND THEN ALSO, AGAIN, IN THOSE GREEN AREAS, UM, THEY WOULD ADD VEGETATION TO HELP SCREEN THE PROJECT.
UM, THEY DID LOOK AT THREATEN ENDANGERED SPECIES, AND THEY DID DO, UM, FIELD STUDIES, UM, RELATED TO THE, UM, NORTHERN LONG-EARED BAT THAT IS NOW CONSIDERED AN ENDANGERED SPECIES IN VIRGINIA.
AND, UM, THERE WAS A TERMINATION MADE, UM, THAT THERE WERE NO, UH, LONG-EARED BAT, UH, IN, IN THE AREA.
THE SPECIES WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA, AGAIN, WETLANDS, THEY HAVE DONE THEIR, UH, PRELIMINARY WORK ON THE WETLANDS AND THEY SUBMITTED THAT TO THE ARMY CORPS FOR CONCURRENCE.
AND, UH, THE COURT DID ISSUE A PRELIMINARY JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION, ACCEPTING THE WETLANDS DELINEATION.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, BATTLEFIELD RESOURCES WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA.
UH, THERE ARE TWO SITES, SOUTHERN STATION BATTLEFIELD, AND THE PETERSBURG BATTLEFIELD.
UM, THEY RUN THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE AND, UM, THE PROJECT DOES NOT EXPECT TO HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THOSE RESOURCES.
UM, AGAIN, AGRICULTURAL ACREAGE.
LOOKING AT THAT ON THE PROJECT SITE, UM, THERE ARE 12% OF THE PROJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION.
AND THE AMOUNT OF PRIME FARM LAND FARMLAND THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR AGRICULTURE THAT IS BEING IMPACTED BY THE PROJECT IS 26 ACRES OF THE TOTAL PROJECT AREA.
UM, LOOKING AT THE FISCAL IMPACT OF THE PROJECT OVER 40 YEARS, IT'S ANTICIPATED, UH, USING MACHINERY AND TOOLS AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE REVENUE FROM THE INCREASED APPRAISED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, RELATED TO THE SOLAR PROJECT, UM, AGAIN, LOOKING AT MACHINERY AND TOOLS AND THAT APPRA INCREASE IN THE APPRAISED VALUE OVER 40 YEARS, THERE'D BE A REALIZATION OF $3.9 MILLION AND THEN UTILIZING REVENUE SHARE.
UM, IF, IF YOU WERE USING THAT METHOD, UH, THE, THE REVENUE WOULD BE $3.1 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, CURRENTLY THE COUNTY IS, UM, RECEIVING TAX REVENUE OF $1,740 EACH YEAR, UH, FROM THE PROJECT OR, UM, AS THE PROPERTY'S BEING USED CURRENTLY, AGAIN, LOOKING AT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, THEY DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, VDOT HAS LOOKED AT THAT STUDY.
AND AGAIN, UM, VDOT DID, UH, RECOMMEND, UM, TWO, TWO ACCESS, ONE FROM THE NORTH AND ONE ACCESS, UM, FROM FOUR 60 AGAIN ON THE FAR EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
UM, AND IT WAS ALSO DETERMINED, UH, VDOT, UM, AFTER TALKING WITH THEIR CONSULTANT, UM, DID APPROVE, UH, A ROUTE, UM, USING RIVER ROAD AND, UH, SUTHERLAND ROAD, UH, I'M SORRY, EZINE ROAD TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY, UH, ON THE NORTH AS A HAUL ROUTE ON THE NORTH.
UM, LOOKING AT GROUNDWATER, I'LL DISCUSS THAT IN THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS AGREED TO DO, UH, GROUNDWATER MONITORING, UH, RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO AN EXTENSIVE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, UH, THAT'S SUBMITTED AS PART
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OF THE, OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UH, RELATED TO THE, THE REZONING.
UM, YOU CAN SEE, UH, UNDER PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, UH, THERE IS A, THE STANDARD STATEMENT THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE FOR YOU TO READ AND MAKE AS PART OF YOUR, UH, MOTION.
UH, RELATED TO, UH, THE REZONING REQUEST THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING, UM, LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, WE'VE GONE OVER THE, UH, BASIC IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE, UH, THE CONDITIONS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT, UM, WE HAVE A LIMITATION ON THE USE OF THE SITE FOR THE PROJECT.
WE DECIDE, UH, DEFINE THE PROJECT SITE, UM, AND RELATE THAT BACK TO THEIR, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND LAYOUT FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, WE HAVE A CONDITION RELATED TO THE DURATION OF USE AND THE PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT, UM, FIND THE APPLICANT OR OWNER OPERATOR ON THE SITE.
UM, WE DISCUSS STUDIES AND PLANS RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THERE'S WOULD BE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN AS PART OF THE PROJECT, A CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN, AND A ROAD REPAIR PLAN, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH STAFF AND VDOT ON PREPARING AS PART OF IF THE PROJECT'S APPROVED.
AND THERE'LL ALSO BE A LANDSCAPING PLAN AS PART OF THE PROJECT, UM, THAT'S DEFINED IN THE CONDITIONS OF THE CUP.
UM, HAD TO HAVE TO HAVE COMPLIANCE WITH BUILDING AND ELECTRICAL PLANS.
UM, FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND HISTORIC SURVEY STUDIES TO INCLUDE, UH, THE FINAL WETLAND AND STREAM DELINEATION THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES AND A PHASE ONE ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL SURVEY OF THE PROJECT.
UM, HAVE A LIABILITY INSURANCE CERTIFICATE.
UM, THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GRADING PLAN, EROSION AND CONTROL PLAN, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND OF COURSE THOSE WOULD BE PREPARED AS PART OF THE OVERALL SITE PLAN IF THE REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ARE APPROVED.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT REIMBURSEMENT FOR THIRD PARTY INSPECTIONS.
UM, WE DEFINE, UM, HAVE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE SITE PLAN THAT'S BE BEEN SUBMITTED, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND TIE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BACK TO THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT ACCESS TO THE PROJECT AGAIN, UH, THE, UH, INE ROAD SHALL NOT BE USED AS A HALL ROAD AND SHALL NOT BE USED TO ACCESS TO THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
AND THE OWNER OPERATOR WILL ENSURE THAT WALKER'S POND DRIVE SHALL BE MAINTAINED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES TO ENSURE SAFE INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR ALL USERS.
UM, WE DISCUSS LIGHTING RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE DISCUSS ACCESS AND INSPECTIONS FOR THE PROJECT, UM, TRAINING, UM, COMPLIANCE, UH, WITH, UH, STANDARDS, UH, AGAIN, DISCUSS GROUNDWATER MONITORING AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
UH, THE, UM, TAXES AND FEES RELATED TO THE PROJECT, UH, WHEN THOSE WOULD BE PAID.
UM, PROJECT COMPONENTS AND DESIGN.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE AN EXTENSION, EXCESSIVE, UH, CONDITIONS RELATED TO DECOMMISSIONING, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THEN WE, UH, DEFINE ALL THE REPORTS AND, UH, THE RELATED TO THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE COPIES OF THOSE AND HOW WE WOULD, UH, CONDUCT, UH, THERE'D BE A PROJECT LIAISON AND HOW WE WOULD CONDUCT, UM, ANY VIOLATIONS OR REPORTS NEEDED, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT.
ALSO, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND WE TALK ABOUT, UH, HOW TO ADDRESS VIOLATIONS AND ANY REVOCATION OF PERMITS RELATED TO THE, THE PROJECT.
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JUST THE GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, IN YOUR PACKET RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THE STAFF AT THIS TIME? Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T, UH, UH, I GUESS THE ONLY ONE I HAVE IS CONCERNING WALKER'S POND ROAD.
DO THEY CURRENTLY HAVE PERMISSION THROUGH EVERYBODY TO GO UP AND DOWN WALKER'S POND ROAD? UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE SPECIFICS ON THAT.
UH, RELATED TO PERMISSION OF USING THE ROAD, I DIDN'T THINK YOU COULD GO THROUGH SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY TO GET TO YOUR BUSINESS WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THOSE RESIDENTS.
I I, I'D LIKE TO LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT SINCE THEY'VE BEEN ALRIGHT.
JUST NOTED WORKING WITH THE OWNERS ON THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.
THE APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE CHIEF OF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER OF, UH, GREENVILLE POWER ACTUALIZED.
DO YOU WANT MY BUSINESS ADDRESS OR MY PERSONAL ADDRESS? YOUR BUSINESS ADDRESS? 1765 GREENSBORO STATION PLACE IN MCLEAN, VIRGINIA.
UM, THANKS FOR THE TIME TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE PROJECT.
UM, THIS IS GONNA LOOK JUST LIKE THE LAST THING THAT WAS ON THE WRONG WAY.
THAT THAT IS THE, THE OVERVIEW, THE PROJECT.
I'LL TRY NOT TO BE TOO, TOO REDUNDANT, UH, FROM WHAT, UH, MR. BASSETT SAID, BUT IT'S A 20 MEGAWATT PROJECT.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 228 ACRES TOTAL UNDER LEASE.
UM, 145 ACRES ARE, ARE WITHIN THE SECURITY FENCE.
THE SECURITY FENCE IS ON THE INSIDE, UH, OF THE TREE BUFFER.
AND EVERY PLACE YOU SEE PURPLE AROUND THE OUTSIDE THERE IS WHERE EXISTING TREES ARE GONNA BE RETAINED, UH, AS, AS THE BUFFER, UM, 70, 75 FEET.
UM, APOLOGIZE IF YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME, JUST SAY SO.
SO, UM, SO 75, 75 FEET, UH, DEEP TO SET BACK THE ENTIRE SETBACK.
THE TREES WILL BE, BE LEFT ALONE AND, AND NOT BE USED.
UH, THE GREEN AREAS UP THERE ARE, UM, AREAS WHERE THERE'S CURRENTLY NOT EXISTING TREES.
UM, SO, UM, WE WILL, UM, BUFFER THAT, UM, BY PLANTING.
UM, THAT WILL FIRST BUILD A BERM, UH, BERM WILL BE ABOUT THREE FEET HIGH.
UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY JUST MOVES THE TREES HIGHER.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL BE PLANTING, UH, SIX TO EIGHT FOOT TREES.
UH, THEY'LL BE PLANTED IN STAGGERED ROWS.
UM, AND THEY'RE STAGGERED SO YOU CREATE MORE, MORE COVERAGE.
UM, AND, UM, THEY'LL BE, UM, EVERGREEN TREES.
UH, SO THEY'LL GROW, THEY'LL GROW FASTER AND FILL IN, UH, DECIDUOUS TREES IN WINTERTIME.
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEM.
SO, SO THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE EVERGREEN.
I HAVE SOME PICTURES HERE IN A MINUTE THAT I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT, UH, THAT WE, WE, UM, RENDERINGS THAT WE CREATE, NOT WRITING ACTUALLY PICTURES WHERE WE, WE CREATED WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, UM, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I'LL GET TO THAT, UH, IN, IN A MINUTE.
UH, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TWO, UH, ACCESS POINTS.
UM, AND THEN I'LL, UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL, I'LL SHOW MORE SPECIFICALLY WHERE THEY ARE, BUT WE WILL BE CONNECTING TO, UH, THE LOCAL DISTRIBUTION, UH, GRID THAT'S, UH, OWNED BY DOMINION.
UH, WE DO HAVE A POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT, UH, TO SELL OUR POWER.
UM, WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY IS GONNA SOUND A LITTLE FUNNY, BUT I HAVE TO SAY IT THIS WAY.
UM, WE, WE WILL BE SELLING IT TO, UM, A LOCAL UTILITY.
UM, I SPECIFICALLY DIDN'T SAY THEIR NAME BECAUSE OUR AGREEMENT PROHIBITS US FROM SAYING THEIR NAME.
YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHO IT IS PRETTY EASILY.
UM, THIS IS BASICALLY A, A, A VIEW OF THE ACCESS POINTS.
THE, THE, UH, UM, THE RED DASH LINE IS THE ACCESS POINT.
THERE IS AN ACCESS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, UM, OFF OF COX ROAD, UM, TO GET TO, UM, TO GET ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS, UH, TO THE PROJECT.
UM, WE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE BLUE AREA, THERE'S A BLUE AREA SOUTH OF THE, UM, RAILROAD TRACKS, UH, THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS TECHNICALLY PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT WE'RE ONLY DOING TWO THINGS ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND THE OTHER THING, UH, OTHER PART IS THAT WE'RE DOING IS ON, UM, OUR INTERCONNECTION WITH THE DOMINION DISTRIBUTION, UH, SYSTEM, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS FOUR POLES.
UM, THEY WILL BE PERPENDICULAR TO COX ROAD.
THE FOUR POLES ARE, ARE DETERMINED BY DOMINION.
THEY, THEY DICTATE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, TO GET TO THOSE POLES.
SO WE'LL GET TO THE POLES AND WE'LL COME ABOVE GROUND TO GO UP TO THE, TO THE TRANSFORMERS AND CIRCUIT BREAKERS AND, AND RELAYS AND SWITCHES THAT ARE ON THOSE POLES.
BUT PRIOR TO THAT, WE'LL BE UNDERGROUND.
WE'LL BE GOING UNDERGROUND UNDER THE RAILROAD.
UH, SO WE WON'T, WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY OVERHEAD,
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UH, POWER LINES.UM, AS, AS PART OF OUR, UH, OUR PROJECT THAT IS ON THE, UM, WEST SIDE OF THAT, UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE RED.IS, UM, WHICH IS NOT REPRESENTING THE POWER, UM, CONNECTION, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE LINE IS GONNA BE.
IT'S GONNA BE RUNNING ALONGSIDE OF THE LAND.
IT'S OWNED BY THE WATER AUTHORITY.
AND THEN THE ACCESS ROAD IS ON THE FAR, UH, RIGHT SIDE OF THAT, THAT PROPERTY.
THERE WAS INITIALLY TWO ACCESSES PROPOSED, UM, OFF OF COX ROAD.
THEY WERE REALLY JUST OPTIONS UNTIL WE TALKED TO THE RAILROAD.
UH, THE RAILROAD WOULD PREFER US TO BE ON THE, UM, ON THE EAST MOST SIDE, WHICH, WHICH IS WHAT VDOT PREFERS AS WELL.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE TO GET TO THE BACKSIDE.
WE'LL BE GOING UP, UH, ERS ROAD, UH, TO RIVER ROAD AND THEN, AND THEN COMING DOWN WALKER'S POND.
UH, WE WILL, UH, BE IMPROVING PER VDOT REQUEST.
UH, THE INTERCHANGE AT, UH, WALKER'S POND AND RIVER ROAD.
UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT UP TO THEIR, THEIR STANDARDS RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO WE'LL BE IMPROVING THAT TO BRING IT UP TO THEIR STANDARDS.
UM, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT WHETHER WE HAVE RIGHTS TO USE WALKER'S POND ROAD, UM, THE LANDOWNERS THAT OWN PROPERTY, UM, THAT USE WALKERS ROAD, UH, WALKER'S POND ROAD TO ACCESS THOSE PROPERTY, HAVE RIGHTS TO USE IT.
UM, AND IN OUR LEASE WITH THEM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE PASSED THOSE RIGHTS ALONG TO US TO GET TO THOSE, TO THOSE PROPERTIES.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE, THAT'S HOW WE GET OUR, OUR RIGHT TO USE IT.
WE WILL BE, UH, IMPROVING THAT ROAD, UM, AND, UM, MAINTAINING IT FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LANDOWNERS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT THAT LIVE TOWARDS THE END OF THE ROAD.
WE MET WITH THEM, UH, AND EXPLAINED THAT WE ARE GONNA DO THAT.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO, BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A, A CONDITION TO THE, UM, TO THE, UM, THE APPROVAL, UM, THAT WILL, WILL REQUIRE THAT AS WELL.
UH, VDOT WOULD, UH, WANTS TO REQUIRE THAT AS WELL, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO, NO WAYS THAT ANYBODY CAN WIGGLE OUT OF IT.
WE'RE GONNA DO A ROAD, UH, IMPROVEMENT, A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE LANDOWNERS ALONG WALKER'S POND ROAD THAT WILL BASICALLY SAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THIS FULLY AT OUR COST, NOT THE UPGRADE, AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE, UH, OVER, OVER TIME.
SO, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA GO PAST OUR PROJECT ENDS.
THE, UM, YOU SEE THERE'S TWO YELLOW STARS, UM, UM, UP TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE PROJECT.
UM, OUR ACCESS REALLY STOPS THERE.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE AND IMPROVE WALKER'S POND ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE LAST HOUSE, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE EAST OF THE END OF OUR PROJECT.
UM, UM, AND IMPROVED ALL THE WAY TO THERE.
SO THE, THE, THE LANDOWNERS ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE ROAD WILL, WILL GET THE IMPROVED, IMPROVED, IMPROVED ROAD.
UM, SO THAT'S OUR, OUR, UH, OUR OUR ACCESS.
UM, THE, UM, LET ME JUST GET TO THE VISIBILITY CHANGED BY ITSELF.
UM, THIS IS, UM, OH, GEEZ, WENT BACK.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, THIS IS A VIEW, UM, ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROJECT, UH, FROM, UH, WALKER'S POND ROAD.
OKAY? UM, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK AT, LOOK LIKE AT PLANTING.
OKAY? SO WHEN WE BUILD THE BURN PLANT, THE TREES, THAT'S GOING TO WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THOSE TREES ARE GONNA FILL IN LIKE THAT.
AND IN 10 YEARS, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A FOREST.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE NORTHERN PART.
UM, ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROJECT FROM COX ROAD, THIS IS, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A, A A A TWO TRACK THAT GOES UP ACROSS THE, UM, UM, ACROSS THE RAILROAD.
THAT IS WHERE OUR, UH, WE WILL BE IMPROVING, IS TWO TRACK TO BE A ROAD THAT WE CAN USE TO GET ACROSS THOSE, UH, RAILROAD TRACKS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT IT, UH, WILL LOOK LIKE AT PLANTING.
THERE'S SOME TREES THAT ARE BE PLANTED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD, OKAY? WE'RE GONNA BUILD A BERM, PLANT TREES, JUST LIKE I MENTIONED A LITTLE WHILE AGO, AND, AND PLANT THEM.
THE REASON BEING WHY WE NEED THEM THERE IS BECAUSE THE TOPOGRAPHY IS, UM, THE RAILROAD CROSSES GERS, UH, ROAD AT GRADE.
OKAY, WELL, THE, THE RAILROAD'S LEVEL, UM, BUT THE TOPOGRAPHY GOES, GOES DOWN THIS WAY TOWARDS THE WEST, OKAY? SO THE RAILROAD DOESN'T STICK UP AS FAR ON THE EAST END OF THE PROJECT, BACK, BACK BEHIND THE RAILROAD BY OFF OF COX ROAD.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE WEST IN A MINUTE.
UM, AND SO, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PANELS, IF WE DIDN'T DO ANY PLANTING.
SO WE'RE GONNA PLANT SOME TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, IN THAT, IN THAT SECTION THERE.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER, UH, AFTER FIVE YEARS, AND AGAIN, 10 YEARS.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FULLY GROWN IN.
UM, THIS IS, UM, FURTHER TO THE WEST, JUST TO THE WEST.
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SEE THE WATER, UH, AUTHORITY TOWER THERE.SO THIS IS JUST TO THE WEST OF, OF THAT LOOKING NORTH, UH, ACROSS THE RAILROAD.
YOU'LL SEE THOSE YELLOW LINES THERE.
OKAY? UM, THEY ARE ACTUALLY WHERE THE PANELS ARE, BUT THOSE PANELS ARE BELOW THE RAILROAD.
THE REASON WE PUT THEM THERE, BECAUSE IF I DIDN'T PUT THEM THERE, PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU JUST TOOK A PICTURE AND TELL ME THERE'S PANELS BACK THERE.
WELL, IN FACT, WE DID LAY THE PANELS INTO THE PICTURE, AND THEY'RE ALL BELOW THE RAILROAD.
SO ON THIS END OF THE PROJECT, THE RAILROADS, THE RAILROAD'S HIGHER AND, AND THE RAILROAD CREATES THE, UH, CREATES THE BUFFER.
AND THAT'S ALL THE SLIDES I HAVE.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO JUST, UM, UM, JUST, JUST MENTION.
UM, MR. BASSETT MENTIONED EROSION AND SEDIMENTATION.
UM, THERE, THERE IS A PROCESS.
THERE'S, THE STATE HAS SOME, SOME, UH, RATHER RIGOROUS, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENTATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE, UH, DESIGNING ALL THE, THE S SWES AND, AND SEDIMENTATION, UH, BASINS, UH, CONTROL BASINS AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
UM, THE, THAT, THOSE, THOSE THINGS ALSO HAVE A BUNCH OF STIPULATIONS ATTACHED TO IT.
UM, THERE ARE THINGS SUCH AS AFTER EVERY STORM EVENT, UM, THE S SWALES AND, AND, UH, SEDIMENTATION, UH, BASINS HAVE TO BE INSPECTED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL OPERATING, UM, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BIG STORM, YOU KNOW, WASH SOMETHING OUT AND YOU DON'T FIND OUT ABOUT IT FOR A MONTH.
SO AFTER EVERY STORM, THEY HAVE TO BE, UM, INSPECTED.
THAT'S, THAT'S REQUIRED BY, UH, AN ENS, UH, UM, UH, EROSION SEDIMENTATION PERMITS.
UM, ALSO WE'RE GONNA MINIMIZE, UM, THE, UM, UM, THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT IS, UM, DISTURBED AT ANY ONE TIME.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO IN THERE AND DISTURB THE WHOLE 145 ACRES AT ONCE.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO DO IT IN, IN PARTS.
UM, SO DISTURB AN AREA, YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, PUT IN YOUR RACKING, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT IN YOUR, YOUR TRACKERS, YOUR PANELS, AND THEN, AND THEN CLOSE THAT BACK UP AGAIN.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOW SOME OF THIS MAY BE HAPPENING CONCURRENTLY.
SO YOU MAY HAVE, YOU MAY, YOU MAY, THIS IS NOT A HUGE PROJECT, BUT YOU MIGHT BREAK THIS UP INTO FOUR SECTIONS, UM, AND A DISTURBING AREA.
UM, START PUTTING IN YOUR RACKING AND THEN MOVE ON.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU'RE DONE THIS, YOU'RE SEEDING THIS AREA.
WHEN THEY GET DONE SEEDING THIS, THEY'RE ABOUT READY TO SEED THIS.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE 145 ACRES, UH, OPEN AT, AT ANY ONE TIME.
SO THAT MINIMIZES THE AMOUNT OF, OF RUNOFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH.
UM, NOW IT STILL NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH, AND WE WILL DEAL, DEAL WITH IT THROUGH THE SEDIMENTATION CONTROL, UH, BASINS AND SWES.
SO, UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING I WAS GONNA, OH, THE WETLANDS, UM, OUR, THAT REASON FOR AN ACCESS FROM THE NORTH AND THE ACCESS FROM THE SOUTH.
SOMEBODY MIGHT SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU JUST HAVE ONE ACCESS? THE REASON FOR IT IS THAT WETLANDS IN THE MIDDLE, OKAY? I DON'T WANNA DISTURB THAT WETLANDS ANY MORE THAN, THAN NECESSARY.
SO WE DON'T WANNA BUILD A ROAD ACROSS THAT WETLANDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DISTURBANCE.
UM, AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SEEK WETLANDS PERMITS, UM, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THEM THAT YOU HAVE MINIMIZED AND, AND PICKED, PICKED, DESIGNED YOUR PROJECT TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO THE WETLANDS.
SO EVEN IF I WANTED TO GET THAT PERMIT, THEY WOULD PROBABLY TELL ME, WELL, NO
THEY WOULD TELL ME TO DO WHAT I'M DOING.
UM, SO OUR ONLY, UH, THE ONLY THING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO WITH THE WETLANDS, WE'LL NEED A WETLANDS PERMIT, UH, FOR OUR POWER LINE THAT WILL CONNECT THE NORTHERN PART TO THE SOUTHERN PART SO IT CAN GET TO THE, UH, INTERCONNECTION POINT.
UM, BUT THAT WILL BE BORE UNDER, UH, THE WETLANDS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING ANY, UM, CER DAMS OR IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WETLANDS, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD ANY COFFER DAMS AND DIGGING IT UP AND TRENCHING AND ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DIRECTIONALLY BORE UNDER, UH, UNDER THE WETLAND.
NOW, THAT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THE WETLAND, BUT BY DEFINITION, UM, UNDER THE WETLANDS RULES, THAT'S AN IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU, SO WE NEED TO GET A PERMIT TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY, UM, THING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, THE WETLANDS.
UM, THE, UH, DECOMMISSIONING WAS MENTIONED, UM, UM, INTERESTING POINT ABOUT WE WILL BE POSTING A BOND, UM, MAY MIGHT BE A, A LETTER OF CREDIT RATHER THAN A BOND, UM, TO SECURE THE COST OF, OF DECOMMISSIONING.
UM, WE WILL, UM, WE WILL BE DECOMMISSIONING.
INTERESTING PART ABOUT THESE PROJECTS IS THAT THE SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE MATERIALS ARE RECYCLABLE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALUMINUM, ALL WHICH ARE HIGHLY RECYCLABLE.
WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT SOLAR PANELS.
THE MATERIALS IN THE SOLAR PANELS, UM, ARE RECYCLABLE.
THEY'RE USED AGAIN TO MAKE, UH, NEW, NEW, UH, UH, SOLAR PANELS.
SO A LOT OF THE SOLAR PANEL PANEL MANUFACTURERS, WE'D LIKE THOSE THINGS BACK, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THEM.
SO, UM, THE, UH, WATER COMPANY RAISED A QUESTION ABOUT THEY, THEY OWN THAT.
IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE MAP HERE, AND I
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COULD PROBABLY, I'M NOT SURE I CAN GO BACK TO IT 'CAUSE THE CLOCK'S UP THERE.BUT, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE, PIECE OF PROPERTY NORTH OF THE, THE RAILROAD, A LITTLE SQUARE.
UH, THE WATER COMPANY HAS A WATERLINE UNDER THE RAILROAD, AND THEN IT'S CAPPED OFF, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT PER OF THE WATER AUTHORITY WAS TO, UM, BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, UH, NORTH OF THE RAILROAD.
UM, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT US BEING, NOW ARE WE GOING TO BLOCK, UM, THEM BEING ABLE TO EXPAND THAT SYSTEM, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UH, WE, WE MET WITH THEM, UM, ABOUT A WEEK AGO.
UM, UM, OUR LEASE IS SPECIFIC TO SOLAR.
UM, WE CAN'T STOP THE LANDOWNER FROM DOING OTHER THINGS, UM, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT GONNA INTERFERE WITH US.
BUT THERE'S A NATURAL CORRIDOR, UM, FOR THEM TO GET OUT.
UH, WHICH IS ALONG THE, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER THE MAP, IT HAS THESE TWO LINES GOING IN.
ONE'S, ONE'S A DOMINION, UH, POWER LINE, AND ONE'S A CO-OP POWER LINE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO NATURAL CORRIDORS FOR THEM TO GET OUT.
UM, THEY WERE, THEY WERE FINE.
UM, WITH, UH, ONCE WE, WE SHOWED THEM THAT WITH, UH, WITH THEM, UH, WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO GET THAT WAY OUT THAT WAY, WE ALSO, UH, UH, SAID TO THEM THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY NEED TO GET ACCESS, UH, THROUGH OUR, THROUGH OUR SECURITY FENCE, UH, TO GET IN THERE, THAT WE, WE WOULD GIVE THEM ACCESS, UH, TO GET IN THERE TO, TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
SO, UM, SO I THINK WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF, OF, OF THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, LAST THING I'LL, I'LL, UH, I'LL MENTION IS, UH, WHICH IS ALREADY MENTIONED, IS THAT, UH, TAXES OVER THE 40 YEAR PERIOD, OUR TAXES ARE PROJECTED TO BE ABOUT $4.2 MILLION.
UM, THE TAXES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PAID, IF IT STAYS IN THE CURRENT USE, UM, THE TAXES OVER THAT 40 YEAR PERIOD WOULD BE ABOUT $70,000.
UM, SO WE'RE, UH, UH, WE'RE IN, WE'RE WE MEET ALL THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UH, UH, ORDINANCE.
AND, UM, UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, NOW OR, OR, OR LATER, WHENEVER, WHENEVER YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I'VE GOT A COUPLE.
YOU'VE ALREADY SECURED THE LINE GOING UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACK.
THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
WE ARE, WE ARE TALKING WITH THEM.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A QUITE A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
I DON'T IF YOU EVER DEALT WITH A RAILROAD BEFORE, BUT THERE'S QUITE A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
I'VE DEALT WITH A NUMBER OF THEM OVER THE, I'VE BEEN, BY THE WAY, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR, UH, WE'VE BEEN A POWER INDUSTRY SINCE 1990.
BEEN DEVELOPING PROJECTS SINCE 98.
SO, UM, UH, I'VE DEALT WITH A NUMBER OF RAILROADS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL KIND OF THE SAME.
UM, THE, THE, UH, YOU HAVE TO DO A LOT OF ENGINEERING DRAWINGS.
SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THOSE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS FOR THEM.
UM, NOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU GET THEIR APPROVAL.
THEY JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE DOING IT IN A WAY THAT'S NOT GONNA DISTURB WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BUT WE WILL, UH, ON THAT LINE, WE WILL ALSO DIRECTIONALLY BORE UNDER THAT, UNDER THAT RAILROAD.
SO, AND, UH, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS HOW MANY SOLAR PROJECTS DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES AT THIS TIME? UM, WELL, THE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE A FAIRLY NEW COMPANY.
WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR, UM, UM, A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS.
UM, BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
I HAVE DEVELOPED ABOUT 20 GIGAWATTS OF, OF PROJECTS.
UH, SOME SMALLER ONES OF, OF THIS SIZE AND SOME A LITTLE SMALLER.
AND SOME ARE MUCH, A MUCH LARGER, UH, 20 GIGAWATTS IS PROBABLY, YEAH, I'M GUESSING, UH, I DON'T KNOW, 80 OR 90 PROJECTS.
UM, AND OF ALL, OF ALL VARIETIES, UH, A BUNCH HAVE BEEN, UH, WIND AND SOLAR.
UM, AND SO, SO I'VE DONE, I'VE DONE A BUNCH OF, OF SOLAR PROJECTS.
UM, SO, UM, WE HAVE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE NINE PROJECTS IN VIRGINIA.
UM, ALL IN, IN VARIOUS STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT NONE FULLY DEVELOPED.
NONE THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING.
SO THAT WAS YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COMPANY THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING? WHAT IS THEIR ANSWER, MR. TIM'S QUESTION? WELL, ACTUALIZED SOLAR IS AN, WELL GREENVILLE POWER ACTUALIZES A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN, UM, GREEN VOLT POWER, UH, WHICH IS A, A LARGE, UM, UH, EUROPEAN, UM, UH, RENEWABLE ENERGY COMPANY.
UH, I, I, I DON'T RECALL HOW MANY GIGAWATTS, BUT IT'S, UH, OR HOW, HOW MANY, UH, MEGAWATTS OF, OF POWER THEY HAVE.
BUT THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR, FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE HAD SOME NAME CHANGES ALONG THE LINE, BUT, UH, UM, BUT THEIR CURRENT NAME IS, IS GREEN VOLT POWER.
UM, AND THEY HAVE, SO THEY, THEY'VE DONE A, A BUNCH IN EUROPE.
UM, THE, THE, UH, THEIR ENTRY INTO THE US WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, THE, UM, WITH, WITH THIS JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN GREEN VOLT AND ACTUALIZED POWER, ACTUALIZED POWER, UM, IS UM, TWO PRINCIPLES, ONE OF WHICH IS SITTING HERE VADIM OF OV AND INTEREST DUQUE.
I'VE KNOWN BOTH OF THEM FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN IN THE, IN THE POWER INDUSTRY, UH, ALL THAT TIME.
UM, AND I, I THINK COMBINED, WE PROBABLY HAVE 60 TO 70 YEARS OF, OF EXPERIENCE, UM, IN,
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IN PROJECTS, IN, IN POWER PROJECTS.SO, UM, QUESTION, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE ROAD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SUR PRI, WAS IT PRI THE PRIVATE ROAD? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING UP THE STATE STANDARDS? WE, NO, I DIDN'T.
WE'RE GONNA BRING IT UP TO THE STANDARD, THE STATE STANDARDS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BRING IT UP TO THE STANDARD THAT WE NEED TO BRING, UH, THE EQUIPMENT AND, AND TRUCKS IN THAT WE NEED, WHICH IS BETTER THAN IT, MUCH BETTER THAN IT IS NOW.
AND THEN WE WILL MAINTAIN IT AT THAT LEVEL.
UM, SO IT'LL BE FAR BETTER THAN IT IS NOW.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF SPOTS ON THERE NOW, UM, THAT ARE SANDY.
UM, THAT IF I PUT A, IF I PUT A HEAVY TRUCK ON IT, NOW, IT'S GONNA SINK INTO THE, SO INTO THE SAND.
UH, SO YOU, YOU COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T BRING THOSE, THOSE VEHICLES IN TODAY.
SO I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP TO A LEVEL.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT ROAD BUILDING, BUT UM, WE'LL DO AN ENGINEERING SURVEY, UH, OF THE, OF THE ENTIRE ROAD, UM, TO UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY WHAT'S AT THE SURFACE, BUT WHAT'S BELOW IT.
UH, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA, I I, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU, YOU NEVER WANNA BUILD A ROAD AND NOT KNOW WHAT'S BENEATH IT.
YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE TO SUPPORT IT.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL DRILL, DRILL SOME CORE SAMPLES ALONG THE ROAD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S AT, AND THEN WE'LL DESIGN THE ROAD, UM, BASED UPON WHAT THAT, WHAT THE BASE IS BELOW IT AND, AND WHAT IS NECESSARY TO, TO SUPPORT, UH, HEAVY, HEAVY TRUCKS.
BUT WE WON'T BE PAVING THE ROAD.
SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION IS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE ROAD, YOU ARE SAYING TO US THAT YOU HAVE THEIR APPROVAL TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, I HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE LANDOWNERS, UH, THAT WE HAVE UNDER LEASE, WHICH HAVE AUTHORITY TO USE THE ROAD.
THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY FROM ALL THE LANDOWNERS ON THAT USE THAT ROAD? UM, OR JUST A FEW TO USE THE ROAD? I DON'T NEED IT FROM ALL THE LANDOWNERS.
I NEED IT FROM ONE LANDOWNER AND I HAVE IT FROM TWO, 'CAUSE TWO OF THEM WERE UNDER, UNDER AGREEMENT.
YOU DON'T NEED IT FROM ALL OF 'EM.
DID YOU ASK ALL OF THEM? UM, WELL, SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE ABSENTEE AND, AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF OF THEM.
THERE, THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT LIVE THERE THAT WE SPOKE TO, UM, THAT, UH, ABOUT IMPROVING THE ROAD.
UM, BUT, UH, UM, THERE IS, THERE IS, UH, TWO OF THE LOTS ARE ACTUALLY OWNED BY ONE OF OUR LANDOWNERS.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE OF THE LOTS UNDER, UNDER AGREEMENTS.
UM, BUT THERE'S REALLY ONLY FOUR OR FIVE.
UM, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THAT ARE ABSENTEE THAT TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF HIM IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. TUCKER.
TO YOUR POINT, UM, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT IF THERE IS AN APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER HAVING IT GO TO STATE STANDARDS.
BECAUSE IN THE SPIRIT OF US IN PRIOR ORDINANCES TRYING TO GET RID OF PRIVATE ROADS, I THINK THAT WOULD END A LOT OF ISSUES OVER NOT ONLY THE LIFESPAN OF THE PROJECT, BUT IN PERPETUITY OF ANYBODY ELSE THAT MOVES IN THERE AND DEALING WITH ALL THE ISSUES THAT COME ALONG WITH A PRIVATE ROAD.
HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET RID OF A PRIVATE ROAD.
AND I WOULD, AGAIN, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS HOW THE VOTE WILL COME OUT, BUT IF IT WERE TO BE A, A POSITIVE VOTE FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING A CONDITION OF, OF GETTING IT UP TO STATE STANDARDS AND HAVING BEAT UP MAINTAIN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I, I JUST, UM, THIS, THIS WILL BE FENCED IN.
IS THERE ANY GROUND GRID OR ANYTHING TO PROTECT THE, UM, SAFETY OF ANYBODY UP NEAR THAT SOMEWHAT HUNTERS OR WHATEVER YOU, ARE YOU GROUNDING THE FENCE? ARE YOU GROUNDING THE, UH, PANELS? YEAH.
THE GROUND DOESN'T, THE WELL, YEAH, THE, THE, THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT WILL BE GROUNDED.
THE FENCE, UM, WILL, DOES NOT, IS NOT CONNECTED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UH, TO THE, TO THE PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THE PANELS AND STANDS WILL BE GROUNDED, IS IT? YEAH.
ANYBODY ELSE? YOU MADE ME GOING TO ASK THE QUESTIONNAIRE BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT GOING UNDERNEATH THE RADIO, UH, THE RAILROAD, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT PERMISSION FROM THE RAILROAD TO CROSS THAT RAILROAD.
THERE'S ALREADY AN EASEMENT IN PLACE, UH, FOR THE RAILROAD CROSSING.
UM, WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE, UH, THAT WE NEED TO GET OUR IMPROVEMENT PLANS, UH, APPROVED, UH, BY THE RAILROAD, WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT ENGINEERING NOW.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THEY WANT, UM, THEY WANT ALL THE DETAILS BEFORE THEY, THEY SAY YES, BUT THERE'S ALREADY AN EASEMENT IN PLACE, UM, FOR, FOR CROSSING.
IT'S BEEN USED, UM, BY THE LANDOWNER FOR YEARS.
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ALREADY THERE.AND, UH, WE ARE DOING THE ENGINEERING PLANS FOR THE, UH, BORING THE, UH, POWER LINE UNDERNEATH OF THE, UH, THE RAILROAD.
YOU SAY IN DECOMMISSIONING THIS PROJECT, YOU'VE NEVER COMPLETED A PROJECT.
SO HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT'LL COST TO DECOMMISSION IT? WELL, YOU, YOU, YOU BASICALLY TAKE, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO, TO, UH, TO TAKE IT DOWN MM-HMM
UM, YOU KNOW, TEAR UP WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE, TAKE THE CABLES OUT OF THE GROUND, TAKE THE RACKING OUT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THEN, AND THEN YOU, YOU, UM, UM, YOU THEN PROJECT FORWARD TO WHAT IT WOULD BE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON VARIOUS ECONOMIC FACTORS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO KNOW WITH CERTAINTY? NO, UH, NO.
NOBODY CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY.
IF I ASKED YOU TO PREDICT WHAT INFLATION'S GONNA BE 25 YEARS FROM NOW, NOBODY CAN PREDICT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THEY USE THE BEST ECONOMIC INDICATORS THEY CAN TO, TO ESTIMATE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
NOW, ONE THING ABOUT THAT IS WE, WE RENEW THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS MM-HMM
SO IF, IF CONDITIONS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY WE GO FROM, WELL, NOW'S A BAD TIME BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE IN HIGHER INFLATION THAN NORMAL
AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT'S WHAT THEY USE PROJECTING FORWARD.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GET INTO AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE NOW, NOW INFLATION IS ROUTINELY 5% AND THAT'S THE PROJECTION GOING FORWARD.
UM, SO EVERY FIVE YEARS WE UPDATE THAT.
AND, AND IF THAT COST GOES UP, WE HAVE TO POST MORE OF A BOND, UM, TO THE COUNTY.
SO WE HAVE TO UPDATE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO HOW LIKELY THAT IN 20 YEARS IT WOULD GO UP MORE? DO YOU AGREE TO THAT? WELL, IT, IT, THE COST WILL BE HIGHER, BUT THAT'S PROJECTED TODAY.
SO WE, WE USE THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE USE THE, WHAT, WHAT THE REASON YOU DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS IS, UM, TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU MADE.
UM, ARE THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU MADE STILL THE SAME? YOU KNOW, ARE THE ECONOMIC INDICATORS THAT YOU USED THE SAME ARE LABOR RATES, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY, HAVE THEY PROGRESSED IN THE SAME FASHION THAT YOU THOUGHT BEFORE? UM, OR HAVE THEY ACCELERATED? UM, THEY MIGHT DECREASE.
UM, BUT IF THEY ACCELERATED, THEN WE POST MORE.
YOU KNOW, WE DO THAT, THE NUMBER COMES IN HIGHER, UH, AND WE POST MORE OF A BOND.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS.
SO YOU'RE, SO EVERY FIVE YEARS WE'RE, WE'RE UPDATING THAT THING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY CURRENT, SO THANK YOU.
PART OF YOUR PROJECT IS GOING TO BE PUT INTO, IS PLANNED TO BE PUT INTO, UM, GOOD AGRICULTURAL SOIL.
WHEN I MEAN GOOD, I MEAN, GOOD FOR GROWING CROPS, THAT'S GONNA BE LOST WHEN YOU BUILD, IF, IF YOU BUILD A PROJECT.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE DECOMMISSIONING OF THE PROJECT AS TURNING THE SOIL BACK TO ITS PRODUCTIVE STATE AS FARMERS SOIL? YEAH, I CAN.
UM, FIRST, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN, IF, IF, IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS PROJECT, WHO KNOWS WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN THERE.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOTHING HAPPENS OVER 25 YEARS.
UM, MAYBE A FACTORY MOVES IN, UM, PAVES THE WHOLE THING OVER AND THERE'S NO MORE FARMLAND EVER.
UM, WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF OUR PROJECT IS IT GETS TURNED BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS.
SO WE WILL TAKE THAT FARMLAND AND WE WILL TURN IT BACK INTO FARMLAND.
IF THE, IF THE TOP SOIL WASN'T RETURNED WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY, UH, CONSTRUCTED, TOP SOIL WILL BE BROUGHT BACK, UM, AND, AND, AND PLACED THERE.
WE WILL ALSO, WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN WHENEVER YOU'RE WORKING, UH, SOIL WITH, WITH THE EQUIPMENT, YOU COMPACT IT, OKAY? THAT'S NOT VERY GOOD FOR GROWING CROPS, OKAY? THEY NEED DECOMP SOIL.
IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF COMPACTED SOIL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GROW MUCH.
UM, WE WILL, AS PART OF THE DECOMMISSIONING, WE DECOMP THE SOIL, UM, SO THAT IT'S TURNED BACK INTO, UM, PRODUCTIVE FARMLAND.
SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD YEAH.
MR. ROMAS MIGHT HAVE TO ANSWER THIS ONE.
AND THIS IS, I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLAT MAP OF, OF, UH, WALKER'S ROAD.
IS THAT A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT OR IS IT A LEGAL RECORDED EASEMENT ON THAT ROADWAY? IT GOES THROUGH TWO PROPERTIES, 1910 AND 1911.
UM, I I I DON'T HAVE THE, THE ANSWER.
UM, IT, IT SHOWS A AND, AND WE NEED TO, WE'LL NEED TO GET YOU AN ANSWER ON THAT, BUT, UM, IT, IT, IT DOES SHOW AS A, A SEPARATE ROAD.
'CAUSE THERE WAS, UM, AN ATTEMPT NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, UH, TO HAVE THE COUNTY TAKE IT OVER AS A PUBLIC ROAD.
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AND THAT WAS, WAS DENIED.UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY MAPS, YOU'LL SEE IT SHOWING AS, AS A SEPARATE THING.
AND I THINK THAT CAME OUT OF THAT PROCESS, WHICH I SAID WAS TURNED DOWN.
BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
I, I'M A RURAL LANDOWNER, NOT HERE IN DINWITTY, BUT ELSEWHERE, AND I HAD TWO PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENTS GOING THROUGH MY FARM THAT CAN BE USED FOR THAT HISTORIC USE MM-HMM
BUT, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LANDOWNERS NOW ON THE ROAD, IN OTHER WORDS, THE PEOPLE, IF IT'S A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT BIRD THAN A RECORDED LEGAL EASEMENT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I CHECK INTO IT.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO MEMORIALIZE THAT.
AND YOU GUYS ARE THE ATTORNEYS.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE CAN BE A, A ACTUAL RECORDED EASEMENT OR, OR THE DEEDS CAN IN FACT HAVE A, UM, OF AN EASEMENT GRANTED THROUGH THE DI JUST NOTICED THAT THE PROPERTIES THAT GOES THROUGH IS 19 TAX MAP, 1910, IT'S A HERBERT ANDERSON AND A 1911 IS A GARLAND JONES, MAYBE IN AN ESTATE, IF I WAS THOSE ZONE AND HIS PRESCRIPTIVE, I THINK I COULD CAUSE YOU ISSUES, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
YEAH, NO, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP, MR. BEL.
I GUESS THE, THE POINT OF DISCUSSION HAS BEEN WALKER'S POND ROAD, PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, MR. WALKER WAS HERE LAST MONTH AND HE VOICED HIS, UH, CONCERN ABOUT, UM, THE ACCESS AND THE PRIVILEGES.
AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
AND I HAD KIND OF ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD THEY RESOLVED HIS QUESTION OR HIS ANSWERS, UM, AND THEY DID NOT HAVE AN ANSWER AT THAT POINT.
SO, BUT WE'RE LISTENING TO YOU FROM LISTENING TO YOU, YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE RESOLVED THE ISSUE OF THE PRIVATE ROAD.
WELL, MR. WALKER, WHO'S THE, MR. WALKER WALKER'S, ONE OF OUR LANDOWNERS.
ON THE, THE, THE BIG PARCEL THAT IS, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WALKER'S POND ROAD, RIGHT.
WELL, MR. WHAT MR. WALKER WOULD LIKE IS FOR WALKER'S POND ROAD TO BE, UM, A, A PUBLIC ROAD, UM, BECAUSE HE HAS ANOTHER PROPERTY.
I MENTIONED MIN A LITTLE WHILE AGO THAT THERE IS ONE OF OUR LANDOWNERS THAT ALSO OWNS A SECOND PARCEL THAT'S NOT, NOT UNDER AGREEMENT.
UM, HE HAS ANOTHER PARCEL ON THERE THAT HE'D LIKE TO, TO DEVELOP, BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC ROAD THAT'S DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S HIS, HIS QUESTION IS WHY CAN'T IT BE A PUBLIC ROAD? SO IT BRINGS BACK TO YOUR POINT.
AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THINKING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID, MR. WALKER'S CONCERN WAS THAT I THINK, UH, WHAT MR. DREW SAID IS VERY IMPORTANT IS WHETHER IT'S REPORTIVE OR PRESCRIPTIVE.
'CAUSE IF IT'S PRESCRIPTIVE, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE ALLOWED TO, YOU KNOW, FROM FARMING ISSUES.
UM, BUT IN EITHER CASE, IF YOU MADE THE WHOLE THING ON PUBLIC ROAD, IF THEY'RE WILLING OR WE MADE IT A CONDITION, I SHOULD SAY, THEN THAT WOULD SOLVE ALL THAT NO MATTER WHAT.
YEAH, I, I, I'M, I'M, I, I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE READ, DON'T QUOTE GOSPEL ON ON THIS, BUT I THINK THE REASON IT WASN'T ACCEPTED AS A PUBLIC ROAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF YEARS AGO, UH, WAS BECAUSE OF THE COST OF IMPROVING IT.
I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REASON.
UM, BUT I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO IT BECOMING A PUBLIC ROAD.
I, WE DON'T, YOU MENTIONED OBJECTION, YOU ME, WHAT THE WORDS YOU USED WERE A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD, AND I'M, TO MY KNOWLEDGE THEN WOOD COUNTY DOESN'T MAINTAIN ANY ROADS, BUT VDOT DOES.
OKAY, WELL, WHOEVER WOULD'VE MAINTAINED IT, YEAH, I THINK THEY THINK IT WAS TURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF THE COST OF, OF BRINGING IT UP TO THE STANDARDS OF ANYTIME A-A-A-A-A GOVERNMENT, ANY TAKES OVER ROAD, WHETHER IT BE A MUNICIPALITY, A COUNTY, IT'S A STATE.
UM, AND THEY, THEY, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BRING THAT ROAD UP TO THEIR STANDARDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IF THE STATE WERE TO TAKE OVER A ROAD, IT'S GOTTA COME UP TO THEIR, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT PEOPLE WANT, AND, AND NOT JUST HERE, BUT IN LOTS OF PLACES, UM, WHERE PEOPLE WILL, WILL, YOU KNOW, LATER ON, UM, WANT A ROAD TO BE, BE PUBLIC.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BENEFITS.
THEY GET THE ROAD MAINTAINED BY, UH, BY, BY A GOVERNMENT ENTITY.
UH, IF THERE'S, THERE'S UH, UM, IF THEY'RE IN A REGION WHERE IT SNOWS, THEY GET IT PLOWED, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, BUT THEY OFTEN GET TURNED DOWN BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF ROAD WAS NEVER BUILT TO THAT STANDARD AND THE COST TO BRING IT UP.
SO THIS IS NOT TERRIBLY UNUSUAL TO, FOR THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS TO EXIST.
WELL, I WOULD POSTULATE THAT IF, UH, YOU WERE WILLING TO FAVOR OR STATE ACCEPTANCE, I EXPECT IT TO BE APPROVED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, YEAH, I'M CONCERNED NOW BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU GOT ONE, APPLICANT GOT TWO PIECES OF LAND OVER THERE, BUT HE'S ONLY WILLING TO LET YOU HAVE ONE.
WHY WON'T HE LET YOU HAVE BOTH? UH, WE DIDN'T NEED THE OTHER ONE.
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IT, IT'S NOT A VERY BIG PARCEL.UM, SO IT WASN'T, AND IT WASN'T CONTIGUOUS WITH THE OTHER, OTHER LAND.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, WE, WE, OUR, OUR PROJECT IS 20 MEGAWATTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO NO NO REASON FOR ME TO, TO GO AND LEASE 300 ACRES WHEN I NEED 226.
UM, 'CAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE DISAPPOINTED WHEN I TELL THEM I CAN'T USE THEIR LAND.
I DON'T LIKE TO LEAVE PEOPLE ON, UM, I DON'T LEASE LAND THAT I, THAT I DON'T INTEND TO USE.
SO I, I KNOW YOU JUST HAD MADE THE COMMENT THAT HE WAS HOPING THE ROAD WOULD GET THROUGH THAT SO HE COULD USE IT FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING IF IT WAS GOOD LAND, WHY DIDN'T HE GO? YEAH, NO, I'VE TALKED TO HIM A FEW MONTHS BACK ABOUT, ABOUT THIS AND HE WAS EXPRESSING THEN TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, HE WISHES THE THE ROAD WAS WAS PUBLIC, BUT, AND I TOLD HIM, I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW.
AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS CASE OF BOTH CASES.
SO FOR YOU AND THE AUDIENCE THAT WANNA SPEAK NOW, YOU GET SIX MINUTES INSTEAD OF THREE.
SO YOU WILL BE
SO YOU'LL BE ALLOWED SIX MINUTES.
SO I NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION AND I WILL START BY SAYING THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT TIME IS PROVIDED TO HAVE THEIR VIEWS HEARD.
YOUR COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME MUST BE CONFINED TO THE MATTER OF THE CASE THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AND SHOULD NOT BE CUMULATIVE OR REPETITIVE.
YOU'RE ASKED TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WITH DECORUM, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
Y'ALL HAVE HEARD THE WHOLE FIRST ONE, SO IT'S THE SAME AS THAT ONE.
DON'T TALK LOUD AND UGLY TO US AND WE WON'T TALK LOUD AND UGLY TO YOU.
DON'T TRY TO PICK A FIGHT WITH US.
WE WON'T TRY TO PICK A FIGHT WITH YOU THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP AT THIS TIME? MR. GURLEY? UH, MR. I'M GONNA CALL THIS NAME.
I DON'T SEE A CASE NUMBER NEXT TO IT.
AND REMEMBER, WHEN YOU COME UP, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, RESIDENTS OF DIM, WITTY, AND GUESTS.
I'M NOT ADDRESSING YOU TONIGHT TO LIST THE MULTITUDE OF REASONS WHY DIM WITTY COUNTY SHOULD NOT JUMP ON THE SOLAR FARM BANDWAGON, BUT RATHER TO APPEAL TO YOUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE HOMES AND PROPERTY IN THIS COUNTY.
SOME OF US WERE BORN IN THIS COUNTY.
WE'VE RAISED OUR KIDS IN THIS COUNTY.
WE ARE NEIGHBORS AND AS NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ONE ANOTHER.
I BELIEVE IN THE GOLDEN RULE, DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.
IF YOU LIVED DOWN A PRIVATE DIRT ROAD ON WHICH YOU HAD SPENT TIME, DOLLARS, AND YEARS MAINTAINING, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL HAVING THE LAND ON THREE SIDES OF YOUR PROPERTY REZONED TO ACCOMMODATE A SOLAR FARM? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT HAVING A FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS USING, AND BY USING I MEAN TEARING UP YOUR PRIVATE ROAD THAT YOU HAVE SPENT A LOT OF ENERGY KEEPING IN DRIVABLE CONDITION, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY DICTATING THAT THIS IS OKAY? WHEN THAT ENTITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING THE CONDITION OF THE ONLY ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? I ASK YOU TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT BY THE CITIZENS OF DENWITTY COUNTY.
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BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S SHOES.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW I BROUGHT IT DOWN TO LESS THAN TWO MINUTES.
MS. BELINDA ENG, BELINDA N TWO ONE.
1 1 3 WALKER'S POND DRIVE, SUTHERLAND.
UM, AS STATED BEFORE, LAST MONTH, Y'ALL HAD GONE THROUGH ALL THE REASONS WHY LILY POND SOLAR WAS, UM, DIDN'T WANT IT.
SO I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THOSE ISSUES, BUT I DO HAVE FEW CONCERNS, LIKE, HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT MY WELL WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING? IS IT GONNA CONTAMINATE MY WELL? ALSO, UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LAND.
MR. WALKER'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT HIS GRANDMOTHER'S FAMILY USED TO OWN A LOT OF THAT LAND OF GLOVERS.
AND MRS. WALKER FOR SHE PASSED AWAY, TOLD ME THAT SHE COULDN'T GET THE LAND STRAIGHT TO LET VERIZON COME IN AND PUT A TOWER IN THERE BECAUSE HALF THE PEOPLE THAT WAS PASSED IN THE GENERATIONS, GENERATIONS, A LOT OF 'EM HAD PASSED AWAY.
THEY COULDN'T GET THE DEED STRAIGHT.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MR. WALKER GOT THAT DEED STRAIGHT ALSO, WHO GAVE HIM PERMISSION OR GAVE THE COMPANY PERMISSION TO USE OUR DIRT ROAD.
WHO, WHO ARE THE LANDOWNERS THAT, UM, GAVE PERMISSION FOR THAT? WE MAINTAINED THAT ROAD.
WE PAY OVER $900 A LOAD FOR A LOAD OF ROCK.
WE CUT THE GRASS, WE SCRAPE IT, WE MAINTAIN IT, AND THE COMPANY DID WANT TO SAID THEY'D GET A CONTRACT TO MAINTAIN IT.
WELL, WHAT'S THE DETAILS? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? YOU GONNA COME CUT THE GRASS ONCE A YEAR OR EVERY WEEK OR HOW LONG? I MEAN, THERE'S NO DETAILS GIVEN TO US ABOUT THIS.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED Y'ALL TONIGHT TO DENY THIS TILL MORE DETAILS WORKED OUT.
AND I'M REALLY NOT INTO SOLAR BECAUSE I'M NOT CON I'M CONCERNED.
WILL THE LAND BE ABLE TO BE FARMED AGAIN AFTERWARDS? IS IT GOING CONTAMINATE THE SOIL? UH, EVEN THE RUNOFF, YES, THEY GOING TO CHECK THAT THE COMPANY SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER WITH THE RUNOFF.
UM, WE GOT TWO CREEKS THAT RUN DOWN TO THE APPOMATTOX.
IS THAT GOING TO SEND ALL THE RUNOFF DOWN THAT DIRECTION? UM, ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
ALL THAT RIGHT NEAR IS CORNFIELD AND IT'S A CREEK ON THAT SIDE.
AND THE OTHER CREEK WALLACE CREEK'S ON MY PROPERTY.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AND ALSO THE ROAD USAGE.
UH, WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR 35 YEARS AND WE LIVE AT THE VERY END WITH ALMOST THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE OFF THE ROAD.
SO WE'VE MAINTAINED THAT FOR ALL THESE YEARS, WHICH I DON'T MIND.
THEN WE COUNTY'S MY HOME AND I LIKE IT.
BUT IF WE COME IN WITH A LOT OF SOLAR PANELS IN THERE, WHO'S GONNA WANNA BUY MY PROPERTY? IT'S GOING, I THINK MY PROPERTY VALUE'S GONNA GO DOWN.
UM, I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY WANTING TO BUY, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE THAT'S SURROUNDED BY IT.
BUT ANYWAY, I'D LIKE Y'ALL TAKING CONSIDERATION ALL THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
MR. CHAIR, THERE IS NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE? YES, MA'AM.
I'LL GET HER FIRST AND THEN YOU, SIR.
NEXT, AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
I'M BETH WRIGHT AND I AM 2 2 4 2 7 HILLTOP DRIVE, MCKINNEY, VIRGINIA.
SO I'M AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THE COUNTY, BUT I STILL CARE ABOUT THIS MATTER AND, UM, I'M HERE TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION, NOT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS OUR ENTIRE COUNTY.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOLAR FARMS IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S IN THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA OR LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND FARMLANDS, UM, ARE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE COUNTY.
SOLAR PANELS HAVE A LIMITED LIFESPAN OF 20 TO 30 YEARS,
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AND THEY ARE NOT MAINTENANCE FREE.AND WHEN THESE PANELS REACH THE END OF THEIR LIFESPAN, THEY OFTEN END UP GOING INTO SOLAR GRAVEYARDS CONTRIBUTING TO GROWTH, GROWING WASTE MANAGEMENT ISSUES.
THE DISPOSAL OF THESE PANELS IS PARTICULARLY PROBLEMATIC DUE TO THE HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS USED IN THEIR MANUFACTURING.
WHILE THIS CHEMICAL MAY BE CONSIDERED SAFE DURING THE PANELS OPERATIONAL LIFE, THEY DO BECOME A SERIOUS CONCERN, BOTH DURING THE MANUFACTURING AND DISPOSAL PROCESS, WHICH I'VE HEARD THEM DISCUSS HERE THIS EVENING, AND I'M IN COMPLETE DISAGREEMENT WITH, UM, WHAT THE EXPECTATION OF THAT IS OVER THE NEXT 40 YEARS.
BUT FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE, THE PRESENCE OF SOLAR FARMS CAN LEAD TO REDUCTION IN PROPERTY VALUES.
AND I AM A REALTOR AND I HAVE OBSERVED SOLAR FARMS, EVEN ROOFTOP SOLAR PANELS ON PRIVATE REV RESIDENTS THAT DECREASE PROPERTY VALUES, DETERRING POTENTIAL HOME BUYERS AND NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE LOCAL HOUSING MARKET.
THE DEPRECIATION AND PROPERTY VALUES, AS YOU KNOW, CAN REDUCE TAX REVENUES ULTIMATELY AFFECTING PUBLIC SERVICES AND THE ALL OVERALL ECONOMIC HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.
MOREOVER, THE SOLAR COMPANIES OFTEN LEASE THE LAND FOR THESE INSTALLATION, WHICH INTRODUCES A SIGNIFICANT RISK IF THESE COMPANIES GO BANKRUPT.
AND WE HAVE SEEN MANY MAJOR SOLAR CONTRACTORS IN RECENT YEARS, UM, GO BANKRUPT.
THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DISMANTLING THESE AND DISPOSING OF THESE SOLAR PANELS FALL ON THE LANDOWNERS.
THIS IS AN UNFAIR BURDEN TO LEAVE THESE LANDOWNERS WITH THE SUBSTANTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL LIABILITIES.
AND WE ONLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS TODAY.
WE CAN ONLY, WE CAN'T EVEN, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT IS TODAY.
BUT IMAGINE 40 YEARS FROM NOW WHAT THE IMPACT AND THE COST OF THAT WILL BE.
IT'S ONLY GONNA GROW EXPONENTIALLY.
AND IN 2023, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT OVER A HUNDRED SOLAR DEALERS AND INSTALLERS IN THE UNITED STATES DECLARED BANKRUPTCY.
ONE OF THE MOST NOTABLE EXAMPLES WAS LYRA INC.
WHICH RECEIVED OVER $500 MILLION IN GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE BEFORE IT WENT BANKRUPT.
THIS WAS AN EPIC FAIL, AND THAT WAS BACK IN 2015.
AND THERE WAS SIMILAR, UH, NEVADA SOLAR THERMAL POWER PLANT, WHICH RECEIVED $737 MILLION IN LOANS FROM US DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY.
THEY ALSO FILED BANKRUPTCY IN 2020.
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF SOLAR COMPANIES THAT HAVE FACED BANKRUPTCY SINCE 20 23 16, MAJOR OUTFITS THIS YEAR ALONE.
AND 75% OF CALIFORNIA SOLAR COMPANIES ARE AT RISK OF FAILURE.
SO I THINK THAT CALIFORNIA SETS A PRECEDENT OF SOMEWHERE THAT DENWOODY COUNTY DOES NOT WANT TO GO.
THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE MUST CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS THAT SOLAR PANELS WILL HAVE WHILE SEEMING BENEFICIAL IN THE SHORT TERM.
THIS COULD LEAD TO SEVERE ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE, THE DISPOSAL OF SOLAR PANELS WILL, COULD TURN OUR COUNTY INTO A DUMPING GROUND FOR TOXIC WASTE.
AND THIS WOULD BE OVERSHADOWING THE ISSUE OF WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.
THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE CLEAN ENERGY, BUT IT'S LEADING TO TOXICITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS.
OUR COUNTY SHOULD BE INNOVATED IN TRUE STEWARD OF THE EARTH THAT WAS GIFTED TO US BY GOD, BY EXPLORING ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO ACHIEVING ENERGY INDEPENDENCE THAT DO NOT COMPROMISE OUR PROPERTY VALUES, OUR ENVIRONMENT IN THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN.
SIMPLE ACTIONS, MAINTAINING A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT AND EXPLORING OTHER FORMS OF RENEWABLE ENERGY CAN MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE WITHOUT ASSOCIATED RISK OF A LARGE SCALE SOLAR FARMS. I URGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEEK ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF ACHIEVING ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.
APPROVING SOLAR FARMS WOULD SET A PRECEDENT THAT WE DO NOT, WE CANNOT REVERSE POTENTIALLY LEADING TO LONG-TERM NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE SOLAR INDUSTRY AND THE IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY AND THE WORLD.
SO I ASK THAT YOU DENY, UM, THE REQUEST FOR APPLICATION OF THIS SOLAR FARM.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE A NOTE.
UM, IT SAID THAT HE, IT WAS GONNA GIVE $4.2 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE OVER 40 YEARS.
THAT, THAT SEEMED VERY LOW TO ME, AND WE HAVE NO IDEA AGAIN, WHAT THE DISPOSAL COSTS ARE GONNA BE IN 2054.
SO I THINK THAT WITH ALL OF THE, ALL, THERE'S TOO MUCH UP IN THE AIR, UM, THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COUNTY WOULD BE TAKEN ON AND LEAVING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
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YOU.HOW YOU DOING? LARRY COLE, 5 0 1 6 ERS ROAD, UH, ON THE, ON THIS.
I'VE BEEN ON EVERY INCH OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
I KNOW ALL THE CREEKS, ALL THE PINES AND ALL THAT WALLACE CREEK RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE BACKSIDE OF MY PROPERTY.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS IF THEY START CLEARING OFF AND ALL THAT THINGS GONNA HAPPEN.
ALSO, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE REAL ESTATE VALUE? I HAVE A HOME THERE, A NICE HOME THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST TALKING BEFORE ME THAT HAVE A HOME THERE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT HOME AWAY.
DOES ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM WANNA BUY A HOUSE UNDERNEATH THE POWER LINE? I DON'T THINK SO.
SAME THING WITH A SOLAR PANEL FIELD, I DON'T THINK NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE AROUND IT.
SO WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? I, YOU KNOW, IT, I I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE APPROVED.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE AT THIS TIME? YES MA'AM.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TO KNOW WHAT, UM, MY CON MY CONCERN IS, WHAT IS THIS PROJECT GONNA DO TO THE GROUNDWATER? YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GONNA MONITOR THE GROUNDWATER AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.
YOU'VE ALSO, WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD WAS YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THESE PROJECTS COMPLETED.
SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THOSE OTHER PROJECTS OF, WITH MONITORING THE GROUNDWATER? I MEAN, I HAVE, WELL, MY WATER COMES THROUGH THE GROUND.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE? WHAT KIND OF HEALTH, UM, HAZARDS ARE ALL THESE SOLAR PANELS GONNA HAVE TO ALL OF US THAT ARE LIVING AROUND IT? I MEAN, HAS ANY OF THAT BEEN INVESTIGATED OR HAVE Y'ALL ANY CANCER CAUSING CARENS COMING FROM ALL THIS STUFF? I MEAN, WHAT IS IT GONNA DO TO OUR HEALTH, THE ENVIRONMENT? HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT ALL THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
MY DRINKING WATER, MY HEALTH, MY PROPERTY VALUE.
JUST LIKE LARRY SAID, NONE OF Y'ALL WANNA LIVE IN A SOLAR PANEL FIELD.
THE, UH, REAL ESTATE VALUE OF OUR HOUSE IS GONNA PLUMMET.
WHEN WE BOUGHT THERE, ALL OF THAT LAND WAS ZONED AGRICULTURE AND IT NEEDS TO STAY AGRICULTURE.
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF THESE TWO CASES AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES TO COME UP AND ADDRESS ANYTHING THAT YOU HEARD THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REBUT.
JUST TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS, UM, KIND OF START WITH, UH, KIND OF THE LAST, UH, POINT ABOUT, UH, GROUNDWATER AND HAZARDOUS LEACHING.
WE WILL BE, WE MONITORING THE GROUNDWATER.
UM, UH, I, UH, UH, ALTHOUGH THIS, THIS PRESENT COMPANY, UM, DOES NOT HAVE ANY FINISHED PRODUCTS, UH, OR PROJECTS.
UH, I HAVE BEEN DOING PROJECTS AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SINCE 1998.
I HAVE MANY, UH, MANY, UH, PROJECTS THAT HAVE COMPLETED, UH, A NUMBER OF THEM BEING SOLAR.
AND, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE MONITORED GROUNDWATER AROUND THOSE AND HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.
UH, THERE'S ALSO, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH, WITH THE, THE TECHNO ASPECTS OF, OF, UH, DETERMINING WHETHER SOMETHING IS LIKELY TO LEACH HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A TEST CALLED A TOXIC CHARACTERISTIC LEACHING PROCEDURE.
UH, YOU CAN GOOGLE IT AND IT'LL TELL YOU WAY MORE THAN YOU PROBABLY CARE TO KNOW.
IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL, UM, PROCESS.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PROCESS FOR EACH MATERIAL.
UM, BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY, UM, THEY BASICALLY PUT IT THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE THEY, UM, WILL, WILL, UM, TAKE AND IMITATE, UM, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, UH, THAT A PANEL OR, OR WHATEVER MATERIAL IS YOU'RE TESTING WOULD LIKELY BE, UH, SUBJECT TO, THEY'LL, THEY'LL, UH, IN THIS CASE, THE, IN THE CASE OF PANELS, THEY, THEY, UH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SIMULATE ACID, RAIN, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WHICH, WHICH IS WHAT'S REALLY GONNA, CAUSE IF THERE'S ANY LEASING, IT'S GONNA BE CAUSED BY ACID RAIN.
UM, AND, UH, THE, UM, SOLAR PANELS, UM, HAVE NEVER FAILED THAT TASK.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, UH, UM, SO, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, ALTHOUGH WE WILL MONITOR THE GROUNDWATER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO ISSUES, UM, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IN ANY OF THE SCIENCE THAT HAS, HAS SHOWN THAT, THAT, UH, PANELS WILL LEACH ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS
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INTO THE, INTO THE GROUND.UM, WITH REGARD TO, UH, UH, PROPERTY VALUES, UM, I WILL, I WILL, I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING ABOUT, ABOUT REAL ESTATE.
UH, REAL ESTATE IS, IS A VERY, UH, SPECIFIC TO AN INDIVIDUAL.
OKAY? UM, IN THAT, UM, UH, WHAT YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY LOVE A GREENHOUSE.
SO IF YOU HAVE A GREENHOUSE, I'M NEVER GONNA BUY IT
'CAUSE I DON'T LIKE GREEN AND I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF PAINTING IT.
UM, AND I COULD GO THROUGH ALL KINDS OF EXAMPLES ABOUT, ABOUT HOUSES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND, AND THAT IT'S IN AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, BUT THERE HAD TO, TO INDIVIDUAL TASTES.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT NOBODY WANTS IT.
THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE GREENHOUSE AND WOULD, WOULD GLADLY BUY YOUR HOUSES IF, IF THE OTHER, EVERYTHING ELSE IS RIGHT ABOUT THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES DONE, UM, AROUND, UM, UM, REAL ESTATE, UH, UM, AROUND RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS, BOTH WIND AND SOLAR.
UM, AND, UM, NOT ONE OF THEM SHOWS THAT PROPERTY VALUES, UM, DECREASE.
UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE SHOWN THAT THERE'S, THERE'S MANY OF 'EM SHOW THERE'S NO IMPACT.
UM, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT SHOW PROPERTY VALUES IMPROVED, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE THE ONE TO TELL YOU THEY'RE GONNA IMPROVE.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA GO THAT FAR.
UM, BUT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S MANY STUDIES OUT THERE THAT SHOW THAT THERE ARE NOT, UH, UH, REDUCTION OF, OF, UH, UH, PROPERTY VALUES WHEN, WHEN RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS, UM, UM, ARE, ARE CONSTRUCTED.
UM, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE, UH, THE WALKER DEED.
UM, YEAH, WE'RE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THAT HAPPENED IN IN THE PAST.
IT WAS RESOLVED, UM, MATTER OF FACT, THAT HAD TO GET RESOLVED FOR US TO SIGN THE LEASE.
UM, SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED.
UM, SO, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE VALIDITY OF THE, OF THE DEED.
UM, THE, UM, THERE WAS SOME, SOME MENTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE COST, UM, OF DECOMMISSIONING FALLS TO THE, TO THE LANDOWNER.
UH, IT, IT DOES NOT, UM, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF A DECOMMISSIONING BOND.
UM, THE, UH, THE BOND, UM, IS, UH, OR LETTER OF CREDIT, DEPENDING UPON WHICH IS, IS USED, UM, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A BOND, THE BOND IS POSTED BY A BONDING COMPANY.
NOW, IN ORDER FOR ME TO GET A BOND, UM, FROM A BONDING COMPANY, LET'S JUST SAY I NEEDED A $5 MILLION BOND FROM A BONDING COMPANY, UM, THEY HAVE TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE ENOUGH CASH RESERVES TO SUPPORT THAT $5 MILLION, OR THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIMME THE BOND LETTER OF CREDIT.
I ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUT THE MONEY IN THE BANK TO GET THAT LETTER OF CREDIT.
NOW, I COULD EASILY POST CASH TO YOU AS WELL.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CASH CAN BE USED FOR, FOR MANY OTHER THINGS.
AND IT'S, IT'S BENEFICIAL TO PAY THE COST OF THE LC EVEN THOUGH MY CASH IS, IS SITTING IN, IN THEIR BANK.
I MEAN, IF I GO BANKRUPT, THE MONEY'S THERE, YOU CALL THE BOND, YOU CALL THE LC.
UM, EVERY, EVERY BOND, UM, HAS, HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, VERBIAGE IN THERE, PROVISIONS ABOUT WHEN YOU CAN CALL IT.
UM, THE OTHER, UM, PROVISIONS, LCS LETTERS OF CREDIT HAVE THE SAME, SORRY IF I USED TERMINOLOGY, I SHOULDN'T, UM, LETTERS OF CREDIT HAVE THE SAME PROVISIONS IN THERE ABOUT WHEN YOU CAN CALL IT.
UM, AND SO IF, IF THE PROJECT IS NO LONGER OPERATING, THAT'S ONE OF, ONE OF THE PROVISIONS, UM, THAT, UM, IS, IS USED, UH, WITH REGARDS TO, UM, UH, BANKRUPTCY.
UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN REFERENCED ABOUT THAT GO BANKRUPT HAVE BEEN ROOFTOP SOLAR.
UM, UH, I, I CAN TELL YOU WITH A HUNDRED DOLLARS, UM, THAT IT COSTS TO, UH, FILE A, UH, UH, UH, AN LLC, UM, TO GET AN LLC IN A STATE, UM, AND THE COST OF SOME BUSINESS CARDS, I CAN GO OUT THERE AND, AND, AND GO ON THE INTERNET AND, AND DOWNLOAD A SOLAR ROOFTOP LEASE.
I CAN CALL MYSELF A ROOFTOP, ROOFTOP SOLAR DEVELOPER.
AND BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING THAT.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT DOING ROOFTOP SOLAR, WE DON'T DO ROOFTOP SOLAR, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT DOING IT, YOU OUGHT TO BE WARY ABOUT WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
UM, BUT, UM, THAT'S NOT, UH, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO.
UM, SO, UM, THE, UH, UM, SO I ADDRESS THE, THE, UM, UM, THE OTHER THING ABOUT BANKRUPTCY IS POWER PROJECTS.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LONG HISTORY OF POWER PROJECTS THAT, UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT GO BANKRUPT.
OKAY? TYPICALLY THEY'LL GO BANKRUPT BECAUSE THE CAPITAL STRUCTURE OF THE PROJECT IS INCORRECT AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THEIR DEBT BACK.
OKAY? SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THE BANK TAKES 'EM OVER AND THE BANK THEN SELLS THEM FOR SOME PORTION OF THE DOLLAR, OKAY? A PORTION OF THE DOLLAR WHERE THE CAPITAL STRUCTURE CAN BE CREATED PROPERLY, AND IT NO LONGER, UM, IT NO LONGER, UM, IS, IS SUBJECT TO, TO GOING OUTTA BUSINESS.
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IS, IS THAT IT'S HARD TO CITE A POWER PROJECT.OKAY? WHAT I DO IS REALLY HARD, OKAY? UM, ONCE YOU GET THE PERMITS FOR A PROJECT, YOU DON'T LET THEM GO.
IT'S NOT SO WILLY-NILLY THAT WE'LL JUST FORGET ABOUT THAT ONE AND PEOPLE WILL GO DEVELOP LIKE ANOTHER ONE.
IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE A PROJECT BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT CAPITAL STRUCTURE, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WITH THEM.
SO THEY GET SOLD, THEY CONTINUE, AND, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY DON'T EVER STOP OPERATING.
THEY MAY CHANGE OWNERSHIP, BUT THEY DON'T EVER STOP OPERATING.
THEY KEEP OPERATING, UH, UNDER A, UNDER A DIFFERENT OWNER WHO HAS A DIFFERENT CAPITAL STRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS THE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY'RE SO HARD TO CITE THAT THEY, THE, THE SITE, THE PERMITS, THE LOCATION BECOMES VALUABLE AND OTHER PEOPLE WILL BUY IT.
UM, SO THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT MADE, MADE MISTAKES IN HOW THEY CAPITALIZE PROJECTS AND THEY GO BANKRUPT, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THE PROJECT GOES BANKRUPT AND, AND IT'S LEFT SITTING THERE.
SO, UM, THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THINK THAT WAS IT.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? I SAID I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
YEAH, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF TWO PHASED, BUT IT'S ONE QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO WATER TESTING, UH, WE'VE HAD OTHER SOLAR PROJECTS COME IN HERE, AND THERE WAS A SECOND PARTY THAT DID THE MONITORING AND THAT STUFF WAS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
ARE YOU DOING YOUR MONITORING AND IS THE, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU FIND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT THAT TIME? YEAH.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE IT AVAILABLE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE, WE WILL HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO DO IT.
SO WE'LL HIRE A CONSULTING FIRM AND THEY'LL COME AND TAKE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH THE CONSULTING FIRM AND THE COUNTY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE WELLS GET DRILLED, UM, AND WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
AND A LITTLE BIT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH, WITH UNDER, AND THIS IS WHERE WE, WE, WE, WE WILL HAVE TO, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO LIST THE HELP OF A HYDROLOGIST TO UNDERSTAND THE UNDERGROUND WATER FLOW, WHAT DIRECTION IT GOES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UM, TO, TO PROPERLY PLACE THOSE WELLS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THAT THIRD PARTY, AND THEY WILL COME OUT AND THEY WILL TAKE THE SAMPLES.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, IF, IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THOSE WELLS, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY A STEEL PIPE THAT STICKS OUTTA THE GROUND.
THERE'S A CAP OWNER, AND THE CAP IS LOCKED.
UM, SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS TO IT.
THEY'LL HAVE THE KEY, THEY'LL UNLOCK IT, THEY'LL TAKE THEIR SAMPLE, UM, AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO AND THEY'LL TEST IT AND YEAH.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM MAKING THAT, THAT STUFF PUBLIC.
ANYBODY ELSE? I, I JUST, I, A COUPLE THINGS.
WELL, UH, I, I THINK IT WAS MS. HARLE, CINDY HARLE THAT TALKED ABOUT WALKER'S POND DRIVE.
WILL YOU BE UTILIZING THAT? YEAH, IT'S WALKERS POND ROAD.
YEAH, THAT'S THE, THE NORTHERN, UH, THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE.
SO YOU PLAN ON FIXING THAT ROAD? YEAH, THAT'S, YES.
THAT'S, UH, SHE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
WE WILL, WE WILL MEMORIALIZE THAT IN AN, IN AN AGREEMENT.
SO THERE WON'T BE ANY QUESTION AS TO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE.
IS THAT, IS THAT IN, IN THE, ANY OF THE NOT YET.
WE GOT WHAT YOU'LL MAKE THAT, YEAH, THERE'S A CONDITION IN THE, UH, THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY, AND WE, WE DON'T OBJECT TO THAT, UH, THAT CONDITION, BUT WE WILL HAVE, UH, AN AGREEMENT, UM, UM, MEMORIALIZING OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT.
ON, ON THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ISSUE OF THE ROAD.
MR. DREWRY, I NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE, PLEASE, SIR.
UNDER THE CUP, WE CAN PUT IN REQUI REQUIREMENT, IS THAT RIGHT? YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT.
SO IF WE, IF, IF WE, WHERE'S YOUR LAWYER BEHIND RIGHT THERE.
SEE A GOOD, SEE HOW GOOD A POKER PLAYER YOU ARE.
I CAN SEE YOU NOW, ACCORDING TO THE CUP, WE CAN ASK YOU ABOUT DOING SOMETHING.
UM, YOUR ANSWER REALLY WOULD HAVE VERY LITTLE INPUT INTO HOW, UM, I'M GOING TO VOTE.
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THAT ROAD UP TO, WAS IT VDOT STANDARDS? YES.VDOT STANDARDS, WHICH IN SOME CASES, SOME PARTS OF THAT ROAD, YOU MAY HAVE TO MAKE A ROAD.
SO IF IT'S A SAND, IT'S NOT REALLY A ROAD, RIGHT? IF IT'S SANDY, YOU GOTTA TAKE IT OUT AND, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
WHETHER WE BRING IT UP TO STATE STANDARDS OR NOT.
THE SANDY AREA ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE CHANGED.
BUT, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M GOING SOMEWHERE WITH THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT, UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO BRING THAT ROAD COMPLETELY UP TO VDOT STANDARDS? UM, MY REASON FOR THE QUESTION IS, ONE, DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIVING ON THAT ROAD? THEY'VE BEEN TAKING CARE OF THAT ROAD FOR OVER 35 YEARS.
THEY'VE ENJOYED DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.
VDOT WON'T TOUCH IT, BUT IF IT'S BOUGHT TO VDOT STANDARDS, THEN VDOT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE ROAD, CUTTING THE GRASS ALONG THE SIDE, PATCHING THE HOLES, THINGS LIKE THAT IN, IN THAT ROAD.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT'S CONCERNING THE FACT THAT WE ARE TIRED.
IF WE CAN GET RID OF ONE, I'M, I WOULD BE HAPPY IF I CAN GET RID OF ONE, JUST ONE IN MY 25 YEARS ON THIS BOARD, I'D BE HAPPY.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? WELL, I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UM, ONE, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN TRIED, IT'S BEEN TRIED, UH, UM, IT'S BEEN TRIED ONCE BEFORE AND, AND SOMEBODY TURNED IT DOWN, WHETHER IT WAS THE STATE OR OR WHOEVER.
AND WE THINK IT MIGHT, WE THINK IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF THE COST TO MAINTAIN IT OR TO UPGRADE IT.
UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
UM, SO, UM, IT, IT, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO, UM, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COST.
UM, IF, IF, UH, IF I FIND OUT THAT IT'S GONNA COST ME $10 MILLION TO UPGRADE THAT ROAD TO VDOT STANDARDS, THAT'S 25% OF THE COST OF MY PROJECT.
MY PROJECT IS THEN UNECONOMICAL.
UM, SO I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COST AND, AND BEFORE I COULD TELL YOU WHETHER WE COULD OR COULDN'T, BUT I, I, I'LL JUST RAISE ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER POINT.
IF IT BECOMES A, A PUBLIC ROAD TO VDOT STANDARDS AND IT'S PAVED, YOU SHOULD ASK THE RESIDENTS IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA OPEN THAT WHOLE AREA UP TO DEVELOPMENT BACK THERE.
AND IS THAT WHAT THEY WANT? UM, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF, OF HAVING PUBLIC ROADS, IS THEY ARE MUCH EASIER TO DEVELOP, UM, THE LAND AROUND THEM.
BUT I, BUT AS FAR AS, AS, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COST OF, OF, OF UPGRADING THE ROAD BEFORE I COULD GIVE YOU AN ANSWER THAT SAID, YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT.
I'M LOOKING AT MY VDOT PERSON.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S A FAIR POINT YOU MAKE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THE, ALL THE LANDOWNERS, UM, UM, FEEL ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE IN MY EXPERIENCE WHEN I WAS A VDOT, THAT, YOU KNOW, PAVING A ROAD DID CHANGE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT PEOPLE DRIVE FASTER.
UM, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THEIR EASEMENTS.
THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND I, BUT I WILL SAY, IF YOU HAVE A ROAD, AND I, I, I'M NOT SURE ON THIS, MAYBE MARK WILL KNOW JUST FROM EXPERIENCE, BUT I CAN'T SWEAR TO IT THAT YOU HAVE TO PAVE THE ROAD FOR IT TO GET ACCEPTED.
BUT, BUT EITHER WAY, YOUR POINT ABOUT IT BEING, BEING AN ISSUE IN THE PAST, I BELIEVE IS IRRELEVANT.
BECAUSE IF YOU WERE TO BRING IT UP TO STATE STANDARDS AND THE BOARD SUPPORTED THAT, THEN THE REQUEST TO VDOT TENDS TO BE PERFUNCTORY.
THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A LEGISLATIVE STAND NOT TO ACCEPT IT.
IF IT'S TAKEN UP THE STANDARD, AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE IS, AND WHICH IS THE LONG, THE MAINTENANCE IS THE ROOT IS THE TRUE COST OF THIS OVER THE, EVEN OVER OVER YOUR LIFESPAN OF YOUR PROJECT, I WOULD SAY THE MAINTENANCE IS THE TRUE COST.
AND NOW YOU'VE GOT THE COMMONWEALTH TO TAKE THAT ON.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT ON, THE LANDOWNERS DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT ON.
OF COURSE, AS YOU SAID, THEY GOTTA WEIGH THAT AGAINST THE CHANGE IN THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE ROAD.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SNOW REMOVAL, THERE'S SCHOOL BUS, UH, UH, ISSUES THERE, POST OFFICE ISSUES.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES AROUND THAT BESIDES JUST THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
UM, THE MAINTENANCE CAN BE, CAN BE, UH, CAN
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BE COSTLY.UM, MAINTENANCE AND PERPETUITY IS, IS, BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT THERE'S ONE OTHER ASPECT TO THAT IS MONEY UPFRONT VERSUS MONEY OVER TIME.
THERE'S VALUE TO MONEY OVER TIME.
UM, SO IT'S, WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT VDOT REQUIRES AND, AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE TO REALLY GIVE AN ANSWER AS TO WHETHER WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, BRING IT UP TO THEIR STANDARDS OR NOT.
BUT, BUT TO AN EARLIER POINT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT, I MEAN, WE, IF, IF WE WERE TO ASK IF, IF, IF WE'RE USING THE ZONING AS A MECHANISM, WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK YOU TO ACCEPT THAT AS A PROPER, RIGHT? BUT IN THE CASE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REQUIRE.
IT'S ALREADY IN YOUR CONDITIONS, UH, NOT THE STATE MAINTAIN MAINTENANCE.
BUT, UH, CONDITION SIX SAYS THE OWNER OPERATOR WILL ENSURE THAT WALKER'S POND DRIVE WILL BE MAINTAINED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES TO ENSURE SAFE INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR ALL USERS.
SO THE PROVISIONS IN THERE JUST NOT THE REQUIREMENT TO THE LEVEL THAT YOU'RE INDICATING.
AND IT MAY BE, I, I THINK CLEARLY THAT WHAT WE HAVE NOW WILL BE DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND MAYBE THERE'S A COMPROMISE IN BETWEEN WHERE IT IS NOW AND WHERE IT COULD BE THAT'S COST EFFECTIVE AND THAT EVERYBODY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.
SO THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE.
I THINK BOB, UH, WE COULD LOOK AT WHAT IT TAKES FOR THE VDOT TO ACCEPT IT IN THE MAINTENANCE ROAD MAINTENANCE.
I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BUT IT CAN BE QUITE COSTLY.
AND I WOULD PROPOSE THIS THOUGH, IF WE WERE TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION TO GO TO STATE STANDARDS, THAT GIVES YOU A, A LOT OF INCENTIVE TO FIND THAT HAPPY GROUND BEFORE THE BOARD VOTES ON IT, RIGHT? SURE.
I THINK WE'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT ANYWAY.
RIGHT? WE GOTTA DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON, WELL, WE GOT, WE GOT A MONTH.
UM, YEAH, I GOT, I GOTTA GET A ROAD ENGINEER TO LOOK AT IT AND, AND YEAH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS DO MY BEST TO TRY TO GET THAT COST.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT TAKES, TAKES SOME WORK TO NO, I TO GET THAT.
SO YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I YEAH.
SO YEAH, YOUR FIRM THAT DID THE WORK HERE IS A COMPETITOR OF MINE, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
I JUST, I JUST KNOW WE'RE ON A TIMETABLE TO DO THAT.
AND ONCE THE BOARD MAKE A DECISION, IT'S FINAL.
SO I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE WINDOW YOU GOTTA OPERATE IN.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN, IT FALLS UPON YOU NOW TO MAKE A MOTION AND FOR PROCEED.
WELL, SO JUST FOR THE RECORD THOUGH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE VOTES.
WELL, IF THE FIRST VOTE IS TO DENY, WE DO NOT HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PORTION, I WOULD, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO VOTE ON BOTH OF 'EM, WE'LL VOTE ON BOTH OF 'EM.
I, I WOULD LIKE Y'ALL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO VOTE.
BUT, BUT YOUR LOGIC IS CORRECT,
YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, MY, MY MESSAGE TO YOU ALL, I THINK YOU ALREADY KNOW KIND OF WHERE, WHERE I'M COMING FROM, BUT I JUST, I JUST, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION'S ACTIONS OF SUBSIDIZING SOLAR ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF COMMONWEALTH OR, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY.
I, I REALLY RESPECT THE LANDOWNER'S WISHES TO WANT TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY THAN THEY GET OTHERWISE.
BUT TO ME, THAT'S COMPLETELY OFFSET BY THE FACT THERE'S 30,000 PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY, MORE OR LESS THAT WOULD END UP BECAUSE DOMINION AND OTHER COMPANIES HAVE THE, UH, UH, UTILITY COMPANIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO PASS THOSE COSTS THROUGH TO THE RATE PAYERS.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS, HAS GOTTA PAY.
AND TO ME THAT JUST DOESN'T OUTWEIGH THE, THE BENEFIT OF THE INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNERS INVOLVED.
I ALSO HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE ABOUT HOW AGRICULTURE IS DEFINED.
I THINK TREE COVER PROVIDES A COOLING EFFECT THAT PANELS ARE JUST THE OPPOSITE.
THEY INCREASE THE TEMPERATURE AS OPPOSED TO, UM, CROP LAND OR PARTICULARLY, UH, YOU KNOW, TREE COVER.
UM, THE, UH, I THINK THE DECOMMISSIONING AND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU BROUGHT UP MR. SIMMONS AND WHATNOT, I THINK THE BONDING, EVERYTHING I, I HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY I, I PERSONALLY AGREE WITH, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN BONDING OF LIKE BUILDING HIGHWAYS AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS AND BUILDINGS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE HAVE A MUCH MORE DEFINED SCOPE OVER A MUCH MORE NARROW PERIOD OF TIME.
I WOULD SAY THAT ANY BONDING OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME WITH A SCOPE THAT COULD CHANGE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LONG, WE DON'T HAVE A HISTORY
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OF THE LONG TERM EFFECTS MAKES THAT MORE RISKY.UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATER QUALITY.
OTHER THINGS RELATED TO OVER LIFE, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
I THINK ALL THOSE ARE, I THINK YOU ALREADY KNOW KIND OF HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE FOR YOU, UM, THE, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AND THE LANDOWNERS MAY NOT LIKE THIS, BUT I, I, I DO CONSIDER LAND LIKE RIGHT, OR JUST INTO THE RAILROAD TO BE PRECIOUS FOR RAIL RELATED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
JUST LOOK AT TENTEN RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
IF, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU LOSE THAT PIECE FOR RAIL DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD ANOTHER RAILROAD.
SO I, I DO THINK YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THAT IN HERE TOO.
WE KNOW WE HAVE WATER ACCESS AND THAT BRINGS UP, YOU KNOW, WHERE MOST OF OUR RESIDENTIAL GROWTH HAS BEEN IN THE 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION WHERE WE JUST APPROVED ANOTHER COMP PLAN UPDATE WHERE WE SAY MOST OF OUR, UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL GROWTH IS GONNA BE IN THAT AREA, PARTICULARLY TO THE NORTH HERE.
AND AGAIN, WITH THE WATER ACCESS, MAKING THAT MORE FEASIBLE.
YOU KNOW, I I, I KNOW THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE PROBABLY WANT TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS.
I WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS NEXT TO MY PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT, THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED AS WELL AS YOU LOOK AT THIS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY FEELINGS ON THE, ON THE ZONING PORTION.
IF WE GET TO THE, IF WE GET TO THE CUP PORTION, I'D LIKE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT ACCESS ROAD.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO MORE THAN WHAT HE JUST SAID IS THAT I AM MORE THAN, WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THERE WITH THE WATER FOR OTHER PURPOSES FOR THAT PROPERTY, I THINK WOULD BE A BETTER USE.
THAT, THAT IS HOW I FEEL AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE DID INVEST MONEY SOMEBODY DID TO PUT THE WATER THERE AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU PUT THE SOLAR PANELS THERE, THERE AIN'T NOTHING ELSE GOING THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
ANYBODY ELSE HEARING NOBODY ELSE? TAKE A MOTION.
UM, BE IT RESOLVED IN AN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286, ALPHA THREE AND SEVEN.
AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION IS 22 DASH 22 AND 22 DASH TWO.
IT IS STATED THAT IN THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED, AND I MAY HAVE READ THE WRONG ONE.
SO AM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK, MR. DREW? OR DO I NEED TO BACK UP? 'CAUSE I JUST NOTICED C 24 IN HERE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A, IS THE LANGUAGE WE OWN P DASH 24 DASH TWO.
UM, I NEED A KEYBOARD
LET'S, STEVE, SORRY NOT TO DELIVER TIME AND ALL.
BEING RESOLVED IN AN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 2286, ALPHA SEVEN.
IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT REZONING P DASH 24 DASH FIVE BE RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CORRECT ONE THING YOU SAID DASH FIVE AND IT'S DASH TWO OH, I'M, I'M JUST READING IT AND YOU RIGHT, I SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT.
SO, BUT, BUT, AND MR. BASSETT HAD THE RIGHT NUMBER SO I, SO I SO CLARIFY THAT.
I'M TALKING P DASH 24 DASH TWO.
WELL, WHAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE A SECOND, I DON'T THINK.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I, I, I SCREWED UP ALL THE, ALL THE TALKING AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
FIVE MEMBERS VOTING YES FOR DISAPPROVAL.
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HAS BEEN SENT TO THE BOARD WITH A DISAPPROVAL VOTE.AND YOU DO WANT US TO VOTE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE ONE AS WELL, CORRECT? I, I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
AND MR. HAYES, WE'LL LET YOU MAKE AMENDS BY, BY SAYING THIS ONE, RIGHT, BUT, BUT SAYING THIS ONE, RIGHT? AND, AND MY APOLOGIES.
I I THOUGHT HE DID SAY IT RIGHT.
SO, UH, WELL, I, I CAUGHT MYSELF WHEN I SAW THE C AND I REALIZED I WAS READING THE CONDITION OF THESE MONEY, SO I UNDERSTAND.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, HE HAD RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTIONS 15.2 22 6 2 22 86, ALPHA THREE AND SEVEN AND ZONING ORDINANCE IS 22 DASH 22 AND 22 DASH TWO.
IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C DASH 24 DASH TWO AS PRESENTED, BE RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS THE ISSUANCE, UM, OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTENT, PURPOSE, AND DESIGN OF THE THEN THE ZONING CODE.
IS THAT, IS THAT MR. MR. HAR? MR. TUCKER? MR. TUCKER.
SIX MEMBERS VOTING YES FOR THE DISAPPROVAL.
C DASH 24 DASH TWO GOES TO THE BOARD WITH A SIX TO ONE VOTE.
ALRIGHT, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO CASE P DASH 24 DASH FIVE AND SUBSEQUENTLY C DASH 24 DASH FOUR.
WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO TAKE BOTH OF THOSE TOGETHER? CONDITIONAL USE AND THE ZONING, AGAIN, LISTEN TO ALL OF IT AT ONE TIME.
CAN WE HAVE A BREAK FIRST? YEAH.
UH, FIVE MINUTE POINT OF PRIVILEGE.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
I COULD USE THAT AS WELL AND BE BACK PROMPTLY PLEASE.
WHAT I DO, WE'RE COMING BACK TO ORDER MARK IF YOU WANT TO COME AND START CASE P DASH 24 DASH FIVE.
UH, WE HAVE A, UH, GENERAL LOCATION SIDE OF THE SUBJECT SLIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING FOR REZONING.
THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IS CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE AND THE REZONING REQUEST IS TO REZONE TO THE PROPERTY TO BUSINESS GENERAL B TWO WITH PROFFERS.
UH, OF COURSE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY YOU CAN SEE IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FERNDALE ROAD, UH, VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF, UM, UH, COX ROAD 2 26 AND FERNDALE ROAD, WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT IS THERE.
UM, AGAIN, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL WITH PROFFERS, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THE PROPERTY BE DEVELOPED, UH, WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR 67,000 SQUARE FEET OF SELF-SERVICE STORAGE, UH, TO HOUSE THAT FACILITY.
AND THEN 2000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE RELATED TO THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY AND ALSO FOR JUST GENERAL OFFICE SPACE.
UH, THE SURROUNDING LAND USES, UH, YOU CAN SEE, UM, INCLUDE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTHEAST.
THAT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED B ONE BUSINESS LIMITED AND THE REMAINDER OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, UM, INCLUDE PREDOMINANTLY LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH IS ALL ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED.
UH, THE PROPERTY UNDER REVIEW AS DESIGNATED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS BEING, UH, AS DESIGNATED
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AS BEING IN THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL AREA.UH, FOR THE GENERAL, FOR THIS GENERAL AREA, UH, PREDOMINANTLY NORTH OF FERNDALE ROAD.
UM, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE USE IS DEFINED WITHIN THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL AREA, INCLUDE A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED B TWO ZONING IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING B ONE ZONING AND COMMERCIAL USES ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THE PROPOSED OFFICE SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THAT ZONING AND WITH THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES, THE PROPOSED OFFICE AND SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY COULD BE CONSIDERED A SERVICE USE THAT IS ACCESSORY TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE ALONG THE FERNDALE ROAD CORRIDOR AREA.
I'M LOOKING AT PUBLIC UTILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACTS.
UM, THE NORTH DINWOODY FIRE AND EMS STATION IS LOCATED ON LEE BOULEVARD IN PELHAM AVENUE, APPROXIMATELY A FOURTH OF A MILE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, LOOKING AT WATER AND SEWER, WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE ON FERNDALE ROAD, UH, TO SUPPLY THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING.
AND THE OWNER DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE UTILITY DETAILS AND PROFILES ON THEIR UTILITY PLAN, INCLUDING A METER SIZING, UH, COMPLETED CHART.
UH, IF THE PROPERTY IS TO DEVELOP, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED USE, UH, THE OWNER DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A CLASS A CONTRACTOR INSTALL THE SERVICES FROM THE DEWY COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY UTILITIES.
THE WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES SHALL BE INSTALLED AND INSPECTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEWY COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND THE DEWY COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL WILL MAKE THE DETERMINATION CONCERNING FIRE PROTECTION FOR PROPOSED USE.
AND THIS MAY REQUIRE A FIRE LINE TO THE PROPOSED SITE.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE HANDLED UNDER, UH, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS FERNDALE ROAD AS A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION AS A MINOR ARTERIAL WITH A POSTED SPEED LIMIT OF 40 MILES PER HOUR.
UH, THE PROPOSED ROAD INTO THE SITE, UM, WOULD NOT BE A VDOT, UH, SECONDARY, UH, ROAD SECONDARY STREET, UM, THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR STATE ACCEPTANCE.
UM, THEREFORE THE THE ACCESS ROAD WOULD, WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, THE PROPOSED STORAGE FACILITY WILL REQUIRE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE AND COMMERCIAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH VDOT STANDARDS.
AND THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO VDO T'S ACCESS MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS AND VDOT BELIEVES, UH, THAT THE, UH, THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE WOULD MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR PACKET, UM, THE APPLICANT DID, UM, DID DO A, UM, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, THEY DID THE TRIP GENERATION ANALYSIS PROPOSED FOR A SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY.
AND, UM, ALSO THE, UM, GENERAL OFFICE BUILDING, UH, BASED ON THE ITE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING, THERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 19 DAILY TRIPS GENERATED FOR THE SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY AND WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 101 DAILY TRIPS GENERATED.
UH, FOR THIS SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TRIPS GENERATED BY BOTH USES THERE WOULD BE 121 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS ANTICIPATED WITH 16:00 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 16:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO LOCATE THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE, UH, TO MEET THE VDOT APPROVED LOCATION ALIGNMENT, UH, WITH THE 13 PEAK HOUR RIGHT HAND TURNS ENTERING THE FACILITY, THERE IS NO RIGHT IN TAPER WARRANTED FOR TRAFFIC ENTERING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM FERNDALE ROAD.
THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY IS FOR A RIGHT ENTRY ONLY AND
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FOR A RIGHT AND LEFT EXIT.SO IF PEOPLE WERE COMING, UH, FROM THE WEST ON FERNDALE ROAD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET DOWN TO THE ROUNDABOUT CIRCLE AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, COME BACK TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY NORTH ON FERNDALE ROAD AND THEY WOULD MAKE THE RIGHT HAND ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY.
THERE WOULD BE NO LEFT HAND TURN ENTRANCE, UH, COMING FROM THE WEST INTO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT, UH, VOLUNTARY PROFFER CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THEY DID SUBMIT, UM, EXHIBIT A, THEIR PRELIMINARY, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THE PROFFERS ARE TIED TO THAT, UH, PRELIMINARY, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, THEY ALSO PROPOSED THE, UH, DIM WITTY RELATED TO THE DEWY STORAGE AND OFFICE.
UM, THEY DID, UH, SUBMIT PLANS FOR THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND THOSE ARE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE PROFFERS AS WELL.
UM, THE EXTERIOR FINISH OF THE BUILDING SHALL BE AS FOLLOWS.
VENEER COMPROMISED, COMPRISED OF ONE OF THE FOLLOWING, OR A COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING, BRICK, VINYL AND OR WOOD FIBER CEMENT OR EFAS.
SUCH VENEER WILL BE REQUIRED ON THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING FACING FERNDALE ROAD AS ILLUSTRATING EXHIBIT A AGAIN, UH, WHICH IS ARE THE RENDERINGS, UH, FOR THE SUBJECT, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
AND THE EXTERIOR OF ANY ACCESSORY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE SHALL BE COMPATIBLE IN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE MATERIAL AND COLOR WITH THE PRINCIPLE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN THEY ADDRESS LIGHTING THAT THAT WOULD BE CONTAINED, UH, TO THE SITE AND WOULDN'T, UH, CAST LIGHT INTO THE NIGHT SKY AND THEY ADDRESS FENCING FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THERE WOULD BE FENCING AROUND, UH, THE ENTIRE, UH, PROJECT SITE AND THEN LANDSCAPING WILL BE PROVIDED AS REQUIRED PER THE CODE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COUNTY STANDARDS.
ADDITIONALLY, DECORATIVE LANDSCAPING WILL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING ONE FACING FERNDALE ROAD.
JUST WANT TO NOTE, IF YOU CAN SEE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, THERE IS A TRANSITIONAL BUFFER REQUIRED ALONG THE REAR AND THEN THE, UM, EASTERN PORTION FOR OF THE ENTIRE SITE.
UM, THAT'S A, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED BY CURRENTLY BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, DISAPPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THIS EVENING GIVEN THAT THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION REQUESTED B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL WITH THE PROFFERS IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES.
AND THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL WITH PROFFERS DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THIS GENERAL AREA, UH, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND RELATED MIXED USES, AGAIN, AS SET FORTH IN THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL AREA.
RECOMMENDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AGAIN, UM, IF THE REZONINGS APPROVED, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A 67,000 SQUARE FOOT SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY WITH A 2000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE ON THE 7.594 ACRES.
UM, RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, IF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UM, CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THE OFFICE AND SERVICE STORAGE, SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN ENTITLED FERNDALE ROAD STORAGE EXHIBIT A.
AND, UM, RELATED TO THAT, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR MAY APPROVE MINOR CHANGES TO THE AFOREMENTIONED CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THE OFFICE AND SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY BUILDING SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BUILDING RENDERINGS, ELEVATIONS ENTITLED DIM WITTY STORAGE AS DESIGNED BY RH DESIGNS LLC AND DATED MAY 22ND, 2024.
AND AGAIN, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, UM, IF THE CONDITIONS ARE
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APPROVED, WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ACCEPT MINOR CHANGES.UH, THE SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY SHALL HAVE NO MORE THAN 67,000 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF ENCLOSED STORAGE.
THE PARKING AREA AND ALL AREAS BETWEEN THE STORAGE BUILDINGS SHALL BE PAVED AS EACH STORAGE BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED.
UH, SECURITY AND SITE LIGHTING IS ADDRESSED, UH, IN THE CONDITIONS.
UH, THE, THE, UH, CONDITION NUMBER SIX, THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HOUSING, THE SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY TO INCLUDE THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE AREA SHALL HAVE A SIX FOOT HIGH CHAIN LINKS FENCE AROUND ITS PERIMETER.
THE FENCING LOCATED ON THE ENTIRE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY TO INCLUDE THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE AREA SHALL BE OPAQUE FENCING CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD BOARD OR VINYL SEVEN.
UH, THIS CONDITION ADDRESSES THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE AND THEY SHALL BE AT PDOT APPROVED LOCATION AND THE APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN AND MAINTAIN A VO COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE PERMIT.
AND THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE SHALL MEET VO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.
WE ADDRESS, UH, INOPERABLE VEHICLES.
UM, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED NO MORE THAN FIVE INOPERABLE VE INOPERABLE VEHICLES STORED OUTSIDE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND ANY INOPERABLE VEHICLE SHALL BE STORED IN THE REAR OF THE FACILITY AND SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW.
UH, WE DISCUSS IN CONDITION NINE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY FROM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND THEN, UH, CONDITION 10, THE PERMIT SHALL BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS AND ANY APPLICABLE DIMITY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN CONDITION 11, THE APPLICANT SHALL REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE, AND COUNTY RULES AND REGULATIONS.
AND THEN WE, UH, TO CONCLUDE WE HAVE, UH, THE, UH, STATED MOTIONS FOR YOUR EITHER APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE SUBJECT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIR.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S ARE HERE THIS EVENING, UH, TO REPRESENT THE APPLICATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF AT THIS TIME? ANY, ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MARK.
ALRIGHT, THE APPLICANT, UH, MUCH LIKE THE LAST CASE, YOU WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES FOR EACH.
SO YOU GOT A 20 MINUTE TOTAL TIMEFRAME TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING.
I KNOW IT'S LATE AND PROBABLY SOME PEOPLE MISS DINNER.
UM, MY NAME IS CHASE EVANS WITH EVANS CONSTRUCTION.
UH, I'M THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.
WE ARE AT 1700 OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD SANDSTON.
UM, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU GUYS A BRIEF OVERVIEW FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THINGS.
YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT.
AS WE MENTIONED, THE APPLICANTS AND THE OWNERS ARE HERE AS WELL.
YOU TOUCHED ON THANKFULLY MOST OF THE THINGS I WOULD'VE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT SO I CAN KEEP THIS AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AGAIN, 67,000 SQUARE FEET OF SELF STORAGE.
ONE THING I DID WANT TO CLARIFY, WE TALKED ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE INTENDED USE OF THIS OFFICE IS FOR THE EMPLOYEES OF THIS FACILITY.
IT'S NOT A SEPARATE OFFICE THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON LEASING OUT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
UM, MR. BASSETT DID ALSO ACTUALLY TOUCH ON A KEY POINT WITH SELF-STORAGE.
NOWADAYS, UH, THERE IS MORE HOUSING AND MORE POPULATION GROWTH IN MOST OF THE COUNTIES.
MORE PEOPLE, MORE STUFF AND PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING RID OF THEIR STUFF.
SO WE ARE SEEING A NEED FOR SELF-STORAGE IN MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS A B ONE USE.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT TYPICALLY WE SEE AS BEING CONCERNED, I THINK THAT A LOT OF TIMES SELF STORAGE GOT A BAD WRAP FROM 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT, YOU WOULD SEE THESE JUST CHEAP METAL BOXES THAT WOULD GET THROWN UP.
UM, WE'VE TAKEN INTENTIONAL EFFORT HERE TO DRESS UP THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM FERNDALE ROAD AS IT'S PRESENTED.
UH, IT'S A BRICK VENEER, A TWO-TONE AND A SOLDIER COURSE THAT RUNS AROUND IT.
UM, LANDSCAPING DRESSED UP AT THAT FRONT OFFICE.
UM, USUALLY IN THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC IS USUALLY A CONCERN.
UH, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A STORAGE UNIT AND YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, SO FOR THIS PROPERTY AS A COMPARISON, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT SEVEN HOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY, IT WOULD GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE SELF-STORAGE WOULD JUST FOR REFERENCE.
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THE OTHER ASPECT IS USUALLY, UM, THE VISUAL AESTHETIC FROM THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.WE DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES NEXT DOOR.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE, OUR INTENTION HERE IS THAT THE PERIMETER WHERE WE DO HAVE THESE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE GONNA KEEP AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION AS POSSIBLE AND THEN WE WOULD SUPPLEMENT AS USUALLY DRIVEN BY ANY SORT OF VEGETATIVE OR LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
USUALLY THAT SUPPLEMENTATION IS EVERGREENS, THEY'RE AES, GREEN GIANTS.
UM, USUALLY THOSE ARE SUPPLEMENTED TO MAKE A VEGETATIVE BUFFER ON THOSE CONCERNING PROPERTY EDGES.
UM, LIGHTING IS ANOTHER ONE THAT A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE HAVE CONCERN ON AS FAR AS FOR, UH, NEIGHBORS NEARBY.
THE INTENTION HERE IS UH, WALL PACKS MOUNTED TO THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S A DIRECT THROW OF LIGHT STRAIGHT DOWN.
IF FOR SOME REASON THE PHOTOMETRICS, UH, DROVE THE, THE WASN'T SUFFICIENT LIGHTING FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND IT REQUIRED SITE POLES, SITE LIGHTING POLES WOULD STILL HAVE FULL SHIELD CUTOFF SO THAT THE LIGHTING WOULD BE CUT OFF FROM THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS.
UM, ON A CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THINGS, THAT'S REALLY THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF IT.
I THINK IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROJECT, BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE AS FAR AS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THINGS.
UH, TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE FRONT FOR WHATEVER YOU WOULD SEE COMING UP FERNDALE AVENUE.
UH, THE APPLICANT SAID HE WAS GONNA GET WITH YOU.
Y'ALL WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS.
DID Y'ALL COME UP WITH ANYTHING? YEAH, THERE IS OPTIONS THERE.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE, I WOULD WELCOME YOUR INPUT ON IT, BUT, UM, SUPPLEMENTAL LANDSCAPING IS AN OPTION.
UH, OBSCURE FENCING IS AN OPTION OR A CHANGE IN VENEER IS AN OPTION.
I THINK ALL THREE CAN ACHIEVE KIND OF THE INTENDED PURPOSE, BUT, AND I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE OWNERS.
I TRY NOT TO SPEND SOMEBODY ELSE'S WALLET IF I CAN HELP IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND
I MEAN IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO PUT BRICK UP ALL ALONG THAT WHOLE SIDE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S PLEASING.
IF IT'S FENCING THAT'S PLEASING SURE.
AS FAR AS YOU CAN SEE WITH SOME VEGETATION ABOVE THAT, THAT'S ONE THING.
UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT PERSONALLY TO HAPPEN.
AND THAT WOULD BE UNDER OBVIOUSLY, WELL IT COULD COME UNDER THE ZONING AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THERE OR UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND WE HAVE DONE AS AN OPTION TWO ACTUALLY JUST FINISHED ONE UP BY VIRGINIA CENTER COMMONS WHERE IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM WOULD BE FOR THE DETAIL, BUT I WOULD CALL IT A GOOD NEIGHBOR FENCE WHERE IT'S UH, ONE BY SIX IS ON EITHER SIDE.
SO EITHER SIDE LOOKING AT IT AND YOU'RE SEEING A DECORATIVE FENCE WHERE IT WAS A WOOD SLAT FENCE, WE HAD DONE THAT AS AN OPTION TO TO SCREEN BETWEEN PROPERTIES.
ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD.
I'M LOOKING AT YOUR, UM, ON ONE OF THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS WHERE YOU HAVE THE VDOT ENTRANCE, WHICH HAS A RIGHT TURN LANE GOING WEST.
RIGHT IN GOING, GOING WEST, GOING INTO THE PROPERTY, GOING, WILL BE COMING WEST TO AND IN THE RIGHT TURN LANE GOING IN.
UM, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT CROSSOVER TRAFFIC FROM GOING TOWARD THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT TURNING LEFT TO GO INTO THE PROPERTY? I RAISE IT BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED.
I, MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC ON FERNDALE.
THE GAS STATION JUST ABOVE THIS, WHEN THEY PUT THAT IN, THEY DELIBERATELY PUT IN A NO LEFT TURN LANE WHERE YOU GO, YOU GO IN ONE WAY, AND WHEN YOU COME OUT, YOU COME OUT TO THE RIGHT AND YOU HAVE TO GO UP AND GO AROUND THE CIRCLE AND COME DOWN.
IF I GO THROUGH THERE FIVE TIMES A DAY, I WILL FIND FOUR OF THOSE FIVE WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING OFF OF THAT RIGHT TURN.
INSTEAD OF MAKING THE RIGHT TURN, THEY'LL COME OFF, WAIT AND THEN DO A LEFT, TURN OFF THAT RIGHT END.
UM, I'VE SEEN TWO ACCIDENTS THERE IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
IT'S THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD IS UNPREDICTABLE.
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IT'S A 40 MILE AN HOUR LANE ROAD.AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE CROSSING OVER.
YOU HAVE, THERE'S NO, THEY CAN'T, YOUR DRAWING DOES NOT SHOW THEM CROSSING FROM THE LEFT LANE.
BUT YOU GOT THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
BUT WHAT IF THEY DECIDE TO COME UP COMING FROM THE WEST AND WANT TO GO IN THERE? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY UP AND GO AROUND THAT CIRCLE.
PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CIRCLE, DO THE CIRCLE AND COME BACK DOWN TO GO IN THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA CUT THAT ACROSS THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA CUT ACROSS THERE AND YOU'RE GONNA WIND UP WITH SOMEBODY GETTING T-BONED TRYING TO GET, GET INTO THERE.
THAT'S, WELL, I KNOW YOU'RE SPOT ON AS PARTIALLY THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
THAT IT IS INTENDED THAT THAT TRAFFIC FLOW WOULD GO UP TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND COME BACK.
BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
THAT'S NOT HUMAN NATURE TO BE THAT OBEDIENT, TO GO ALL THE WAY UP AND GO AROUND THE CIRCLE JUST TO GO IN THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA COME UP AND TRY TO MAKE THAT TURN ACROSS THERE, UH, CUT ACROSS TRAFFIC TO GET UP IN THERE.
AND THAT, THAT'S MY ONE OF OUR MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, ANY PROJECT THAT GOES INTO THAT AREA IS THAT THE, THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, IT'S, CAN I PIGGYBACK ONTO THAT? YEAH.
I CAN SHOW YOU NUMEROUS CASES WHERE THOSE THAT, THAT FAIL LIKE THAT AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT, UH, CHANNELIZED MORE AGGRESSIVELY.
I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE RIGHT TURN LANE IF IT WAS CHANNELIZED IN SUCH A WAY TO MAKE IT ALMOST PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE THAT MOVE THAT MR. TUCKER MADE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, BEING THAT YOU'VE GOT A ROUNDABOUT UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM.
I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE ALL LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WERE BUILDING THIS FROM SCRATCH AS AN ARTERIAL, IT WOULD BE A FOUR LANE ROAD, I'M SURE, BUT IT'LL, IN MY OPINION, IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN.
BECAUSE IT JUST COSTS TOO MONEY.
TOO MUCH MONEY AND PIGEONHOLED IN OR WHATEVER.
BUT WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE, UM, LIKE, LIKE YOURS, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK WHETHER IT'S THROUGH A PROPER YOU'RE WILLING TO DO, OR WHETHER IT'S SET AS A CONDITION, I WOULD SAY HAVE A VERY AGGRESSIVE RIGHT TURN TO, TO, TO ELIMINATE PEOPLE WANTING TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN, AS YOU SAID.
AND IN ADDITION TO WHERE I THINK MARK TALKED ABOUT, UM, RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT AND, BUT ALSO HAVING A LEFT OUT, I WOULD ELIMINATE THE LEFT OUT TOO.
I, I DO CONCEDE TO YOU THAT YOUR, UM, AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS FAR LESS THAN AN APARTMENT OR WHATEVER.
UM, AND, AND FOR THE RECORD, I WAS IN FAVOR OF THE APARTMENT LAST YEAR.
I, IT, IT, TO ME, IT ONLY FAILED ON, UM, THE FACT THAT YOU WERE LETTING PEOPLE GO LEFT AND THAT WOULD CHOKE UP CEDAR HEART ROAD TOO.
SO YOU'RE, IF YOU COULD ELIMINATE IT, THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE LOWER, BUT IF YOU FORCE EVERYBODY TO MAKE A RIGHT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG INCONVENIENCE IN EITHER DIRECTION TO GO TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND TURNAROUND.
SO AS FAR AS FOR THE AGGRESSIVE CHANNELING, IT WOULD BE RESHAPING THAT THE ISLAND AT THAT RIGHT TURN TO ENTRANCE TO MAKE IT MORE AN AGGRESSIVE CHANNELING.
I MEAN, THINK OF LIKE, UM, GOSH, I WAS FIGHTING THIS 30 YEARS AGO, BUT YOU THINK WHERE THE, WHAT'S IT CALLED NOW AT FOUR 60 IN, IN ROUTE ONE? WHAT'S THAT? IT'S CALLED, UM, IT USED TO BE THE EAST COAST, THE SHELL STATION THERE.
WHAT'S IT CALLED? RIGHT NEXT TO THE OLD HUDDLE HOUSE.
OH, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S CHANNEL.
THAT CHANNELIZATION ON ROUTE ONE IS CORE.
IT, IT DOESN'T DISCOURAGE LIKE TO MR. TUCKER'S POINT, IT DOES NOT DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM MAKING A LEFT.
SO YOU HAVE A, A, A MUCH HIGHER CHANCE OF A REAR END WHERE PEOPLE GOING ON NORTHBOUND.
ONE MUCH MORE CHANCE OF A, OF A T-BONE OR SOUTHBOUND.
IF, IF THEY ONLY WENT JUST ANOTHER FEW HUNDRED FEET AND MADE THE TURN WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER.
SO I THINK IF YOU, IN YOUR CASE FOR THIS, FOR YOUR INTENT HERE, IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT CHANNELIZATION MORE AGGRESSIVE SO THAT SOMEBODY'S ALMOST GOTTA MAKE A U-TURN TO MAKE IT IN THERE MM-HMM
AS OPPOSED TO JUST, EH, SQUEAKING BY A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANNELIZATION, THAT AGGRESSIVE, UH, UH, CHANNELIZATION, I THINK WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS TOGETHER WITH ELIMINATING THE LEFT OUT.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT, I I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG INCONVENIENCE.
I KNOW THE ROUNDABOUT ON THE NORTH END ISN'T THERE YET, BUT IT'S COMING.
UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO EITHER WAY, MAKE THAT TURN AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO ON AN ARTERIAL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A UNREASONABLE REQUEST.
WELL, YOU COULD TAKE A A RIGHT OUT AND THEN TURN ON THAT SECONDARY ROAD THAT CUTS BETWEEN RIGHT.
STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM THE OLD HARRISON BECAUSE A ROAD GOES
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RIGHT OUT, THE TWO 20 SEE THE HEART.HONESTLY, I WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO DO THAT EITHER, BECAUSE ONCE YOU, PEOPLE ARE GONNA MAKE A, THEY'RE GONNA THINK I'M GONNA GET OUT THERE REAL QUICK AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU, YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY BACKED UP.
THAT WAS THE ISSUE FOR THE APARTMENTS.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC GENERATED FOR THE APARTMENT, IF YOU COULD HAVE HAD A CHANNELIZATION TO HAVE PREVENTED THAT, FORCE 'EM TO GO TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN COME BACK AND TAKE A RIGHT ON A CEDAR OF HEART.
I WAS OKAY WITH THAT IN THIS CASE, WITH THE TRAFFIC BEING MUCH LESS, I DON'T THINK THE CEDAR OF HEART IS AN ISSUE, BUT I I DO THINK WE SHOULDN'T ENCOURAGE THAT EITHER.
WELL, MY CIVIL ENGINEER ACTUALLY IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL, SO I CAN HAVE HIM SPEAK AS FAR AS FOR POSSIBLE OPTIONS.
UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL WANT TO ENTERTAIN OR WE CAN TAKE THE CONSIDERATION AND GET BACK TO YOU ON IT.
THAT'S ENTIRELY UP TO Y'ALL WHO CAN SEE HERE THAT YEAH, WE SPEAK PRETTY QUICKLY.
WILL, CAN YOU GIMME A SECOND? SO WILLIAM PHELPS WITH LAND TECH RESOURCES, WE'RE BASED OUT OF WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA.
UM, YEAH, I I TOTALLY AGREE WITH, UH, YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UH, ILLEGAL LEFT HAND TURN.
UM, CHANNELIZING THAT ISLAND FARTHER TO LIMIT ANY LEFT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LEFT EXITING OR ENTERING, UM, IS NOT AN ISSUE AT ALL.
UM, I KNOW VDOT HAS SOME PRETTY SPECIFIC STANDARDS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
WELL, ONE THING THAT'S KIND OF, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT NUMEROUS TIMES OVER THE YEARS IS, YOU KNOW, VDOT STANDARDS ARE MINIMUM AND SO GIVEN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR ZONING GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO A LITTLE BIT BEYOND, UH, VDOT.
AND I WOULD SAY GIVEN THE WIDTH OF YOUR ROAD FRONTAGE, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM TO MAKE IT MORE AGGRESSIVE.
THAT WHAT VDOT WAS RECOMMENDING.
DON'T YOU AGREE? I YEAH, NOT, NOT AT ALL.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RECOMMEND THAT GET PROFFERED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND A MINIMUM STANDARD TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FLIPPING THAT AND I, I HAD ONE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN THE PRO UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SECTION IS THE FIRST BUILDING HAS TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THREE YEARS OR THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
Y'ALL FILE BOTH OF THOSE? I'M SORRY? YOU FILED WITH BOTH OF THOSE? YES, SIR.
ANYTHING, MR. JURY? YOU WRITING THAT DOWN? YEAH.
YOU GONNA SPEAK VICTOR? YES, SIR.
OKAY, WE GOT SEVEN SECONDS HERE.
VICTOR SLADE, 2,600 EXOR DE MILL ROAD, CHURCH ROAD, VIRGINIA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS WITH THE, UH, LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE STORAGE OFFICE FACILITY PLUS THE STORAGE FACILITY, WE'VE MET WITH OUR DESIGNER AND UH, WE'VE HAD THEM CREATE A RENDERING OF BRICK ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT FACILITY.
SO WHERE'S IT ADD IN HERE? CHASE, I'LL HAND IT TO YOU SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE.
THE REVISED ELEVATION COURSE, IT'S NOT A COLOR ONE.
THAT LAST ELEVATION DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN METAL PANELS.
IT WOULD BE THE BRICK, LIKE THE FRONT DOWN, THE LEFT HAND SIDE THAT FACES BURNED DOWN.
Y'ALL LOOK AT IT, SEND IT BACK DOWN THIS WAY AND OH, THEY GOT, THANK YOU.
I THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CHANGE.
YOU WILL NOW SET A NEW PRECEDENT FOR DITY COUNTY AND STORAGE FACILITIES.
THAT'S ALL I NEED, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME WHILE I'M UP? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THEM? MM-HMM.
SO, AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE AGGRESSIVE YES SIR.
I CALL IT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT, BUT, AND THE, IT'S THE RIGHT END IN QUESTION.
AND JUST EXTENDING THAT CONCRETE ISLAND, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING HERE, I SEE HOW IT'S KIND OF A SNUBBY KIND OF YEAH.
GIVEN THEIR LAND, UM, FRONTAGE THEY HAVE, IF YOU IMAGINE THAT A CONCRETE ISLAND, A NARROW PIECE GOING, UM, UP TO THE BACK TOWARD CEDAR HEART.
UM, IN A WAY THAT WOULD, WOULD MAKE IT PHYSICALLY
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IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE A LEFT TURN UNLESS THEY WANTED TO BALANCE OVER A CURBING NOW.AND I SAID RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS SOMEBODY COMING EASTBOUND WOULD JUST GO IN THE OUTBOUND SIDE TO MAKE THAT TURN AND THAT'S WHY YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE ON THAT SIDE TO KEEP 'EM FROM USING THE WRONG ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE POINT THAT ANYTHING ELSE? AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE THREE YEAR THING? YES, SIR.
UH, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION AND WE'LL JUST GET MY PAPERWORK.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION TO THIS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK TO THIS MR. CHAIR? THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP.
I DO HAVE ONE PERSON UP FRONT, TURN BACK THERE AND LADY IN THE BACK.
I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T SEE YOU
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 2 5 5 2 5 5 1 2 FERNDALE ROAD.
AND I LIVE LIKE FOUR HOUSES DOWN FROM THIS FACILITY.
UH, THAT'S PLANNING ON BEING, UH, PUT IN.
UM, I, I I RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT, UM, DO NOT APPROVE THIS.
UM, DUE TO THE TRAFFIC, FIRST OF ALL, UM, THE TRAFFIC IS, IS TERRIBLE.
UM, SECOND IS DUE TO RUMOR, I HAD HEARD THAT THE HARRISON SUPERMARKET MAY BE TURNED INTO A STORAGE FACILITY, SO NOW YOU HAVE TWO, TWO STORAGE FACILITIES MAYBE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA EVEN BE MORE, MORE TRAFFIC.
SO, YOU KNOW, MY MY THOUGHT IS IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT BEST TO PUT IT THERE, YOU KNOW, BE DUE TO THE TRAFFIC AND, AND THE RUMOR, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, ANOTHER THING THAT I BROUGHT UP AT THE OTHER, UH, UH, BOARD MEETING WAS THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT BICYCLE TRAIL IS GOING, IS PLANNED ON BEING PUT BEHIND THIS FACILITY.
YOU KNOW, I DO REALIZE THAT THERE WILL BE FENCES AROUND, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WONDER ABOUT ILLEGAL INTENT GOING UP AND DOWN THAT BICYCLE TRAIL AND NOW YOU HAVE A STORAGE FACILITY THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY MY CONCERN.
I HAD A QUESTION ACTUALLY, MA'AM, UM, ONE THING I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.
UH, WAS THE APPLICANT PROPOSING A BIKE TRAIL BEHIND THE FACILITY? UM, THIS IS THE APPOMATTOX, UM, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE APPOMATTOX REGIONAL TRAIL THAT GOES FROM HOPEWELL ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH LAKE CHESTERTON.
SO IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF THE
OKAY, WELL YOU WOULD, YOU SHOULD.
SO THE, THE TRAIL WOULD ACTUALLY BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD.
THERE'S A PHY WITH NO WAY THAT YOU COULD GET FROM THE RAILROAD ACROSS THE RAILROAD FROM THERE.
SO I, I I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY ALLEVIATE YOUR CONCERNS.
THE ONLY WAY WE WOULD BE GET ON THE WOULD BE TO GET ON THE ROAD AND PEOPLE CAN BIKE ON THE ROAD ALREADY.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU IS, UM, SINCE WE WENT THROUGH A A LONG CASE LAST YEAR, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT, WHAT, AS A NEIGHBOR, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THERE INSTEAD? THAT I AM NOT REALLY SURE.
I, I REALLY, UM, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T DRAW A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I, I BELIEVE IF YOU PUT TWO STORES FACILITIES THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU ALREADY HAD A LOT OF, UM, ACCIDENTS WHEN THE HARRISON STORE WAS THERE.
I MEAN, THERE USED TO BE ACCIDENTS THERE ALL THE TIME AND, AND REALLY THAT, UH, THERE REALLY WASN'T THAT MUCH TRAFFIC UP AND IN, BUT THEY JUST, UH, I GUESS WERE NOT CAREFUL.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF ACCIDENTS.
SO MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SCHOOL BUS STOP THAT, UH, RIGHT NEXT DOOR, THERE'S A SCHOOL BUS, UH, THAT STOPS THERE, YOU KNOW, AND LETS KIDS OFF.
AND, UH, AND ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, BACKED UP TRAFFIC.
THERE'S ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, I BELIEVE THERE USED TO BE A DISABLED CHILD THAT GOT ON, SO HE WOULD TAKE EXTRA TIME MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, BUT I, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY, YOU KNOW, THOSE CHILDREN'S SAFETY.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY, WELL, NO, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
AND ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS, YOU HAVE PEOPLE TRANSIENTS WALKING UP AND DOWN THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS, UH, UM, BACK BEHIND MY HOUSE WHERE THERE'S WOODS, UM, I'VE BEEN BACK THERE BEFORE AND SAW 'EM.
YOU KNOW, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE THAT ALSO, SO.
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UM, GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE.I'M AT 38 28 WEST DRIVE AND I'M SORT OF CONFUSED.
UM, THIS, UH, CASE, UH, P 24 DASH FIVE, IS THAT TO BE BUILT UP THERE BY CEDAR HART? NO, BETWEEN HARRISON'S OLD HARRISON SUPERMARKET.
THAT WOODED AREA THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUT IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, CORRECT? IT WOULD BE ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND ONE AND CASE 24 POINT, UH FOUR, WHICH IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT APPLICANT.
NOT IT, THEY'RE NOT TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
I WAS JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE WHEN I GOT THIS, IT SAID YOU ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ON WEST DRIVE, RIGHT? NO, IT'S OKAY.
BUT WE KNOW IT'S CONGESTED UP THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IT IS TIME FOR, WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO GET BACK UP AND SAY ANYTHING? YES.
DO I NEED TO STATE MY NAME AGAIN? NO, YOU'RE GOOD.
UM, JUST WANNA ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.
NOW, AS IT STANDS AT R ONE, UH, AT LIKE 7.5 ACRES, WE COULD GET 12 TO 15 LOTS IN ROUGHLY, WHICH WOULD CREATE POTENTIALLY 230 TREE, 33 TRIPS FOR, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AT, AND NORMALLY WITH RESIDENTIAL USE, THOSE, THOSE USES ARE GONNA BE AT PEAK HOURS.
SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING FOR WORK, PEOPLE ARE COMING HOME FROM WORK, FROM WORK, UH, WITH A SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
THE 121 TRIPS DAILY, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE DIFFERENT HOURS OF THE DAY.
THEY'RE NOT DURING PEAK HOURS.
UM, WE ALSO OWN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UM, WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO ALSO PUT A CHURCH, NOT THAT WE HAVE ANY PLANS TO DO THAT, BUT THAT COULD CREATE EVEN MORE TRIPS.
UM, SO WE HEARD EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS THE LAST TIME WE CAME FOR REZONING.
SO WE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING ECONOMICAL FOR US, BUT ALSO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO SPEAKING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
DONNY AND I BOTH RECEIVED CALLS FROM DI DEITY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, WITH, THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE LIVING IN THE WOODS BACK THERE.
THERE'S TENTS, THERE'S MULTIPLE TENTS, THERE'S PEOPLE LIVING IN THE WOODS AND HANGING OUT IN THE WOODS.
SO IF WE DO DEVELOP THIS, AT LEAST YOU, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF SOME OF THAT.
ANY Y'ALL HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NONE.
I, I, LIKE I SAID, I, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE FOUGHT THE BATTLE BEFORE.
I THINK, UH, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND APARTMENTS ARE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, CONDUCIVE THERE.
I NOTICED MARK, UH, I THINK BY THE BOOK I COMMEND YOU FOR RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL.
UH, AND IN GENERAL I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY FOUGHT THAT BATTLE AND IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK THERE AGAIN.
I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND I DO AGREE WITH THE COMMENT THAT IT'S FAR LESS, LESS TRAFFIC WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UM, AS LONG AS THAT LEFT TURN IS ELIMINATED AND, AND ANY MOVEMENT IS ELIMINATED THROUGH THE CHANNELIZATION, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, AT LEAST IT SETTLES THIS ONCE AND ALL IS KIND OF MY THINKING.
WELL THAT BEING SAID, THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED.
WHICH, AND I KNOW YOU'VE AGREED ON IT, BUT WE NEED TO PUT IT IN WRITING IN HERE TO MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE AS, AS TALKED ABOUT.
WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION I GUESS RELATED TO MR. TO BRITA DRURY ON THAT.
UM, I'M JUST GAINING A SENSE HERE WHERE WE'RE GOING.
WOULD THAT BE BETTER? THE CHANNELIZATION IDEA? WOULD THAT BE BETTER TO BE PROPER OR TO BE BETTER TO SET IN THE CONDITION? I WAS JUST TALKING TO MR. BASSETT ABOUT THAT AND I THINK WE AGREED TO THAT WOULD BE BEST IN THE CP.
WE COULD DO IT IN C YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY, BUT I BELIEVE IT, THE THREE THINGS THAT Y'ALL MENTIONED, I THINK WILL ALL GO IN THE CUP.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE DONE AND WORDED BEFORE WE VOTE? WELL, THEY, I'M ASSUMING Y'ALL, WE ARE ALL IN UNDERSTANDING AND THAT IS GONNA BE PLACED IN THERE THAT THEY AGREE TO IT.
THE CP WITH THE, AND I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE THE MOTION PROCESS 'CAUSE I KNOW WHAT I ASKED Y'ALL TO DO LAST TIME,
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KEEP 'EM SEPARATE.IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN.
AND I WOULD VOLUNTEER TO HELP WITH THE CHALLENGE, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE, UM, CHANNELIZATION.
Y'ALL HEAR THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE ADDED INTO UNDER THE CUP AND THAT ACCEPTANCE OF THIS IS ADDING THAT IN THERE AND THEY ARE AN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE PART THAT WOULD GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS ACTUAL CONDITIONS WHEN THEY GET IT.
SO HEARING THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE ZONING CASE.
THAT I I I TOTALLY NEED THAT KEYBOARD.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN THE ORDER OF SOURCE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 A SEVEN, IT STATE THAT FOR THE PUR PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE RESOLUTION IS INITIATED TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
PRACTICE, I MOVED THAT THE REZONING P DASH 24 DASH FIVE BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
WOULD THAT BE APPROVAL, UH, MR. DREWRY WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT'S UNDER THE CUP.
WE'RE JUST NOT IN THIS MOTION AT THIS POINT.
MR. LANGLEY? WE, WE DO WANT TO NOTE THAT IT'S WITH PROFFERS.
THE MOTION WILL BE WITH PROFFERS.
SEVEN MEMBERS VOTING AYE P DASH 24 DASH FIVE WITH PROPERTIES IS APPROVED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A SEVEN TO ZERO VOTE.
ALRIGHT, WE MOVE ON TO THE CUP AND THE FIRST OF THE TWO PARAGRAPHS IS FOUR, THE SECOND IS AGAINST, WELL I GUESS WE NEED TO HAVE THE, THE CONDITIONS NAILED DOWN.
RIGHT? SO I I HEARD THERE WERE THREE.
UM, YES, SO I, I COULD SPEAK TO THE ONE, I THINK TO CHANNELIZATION.
I CAN SAY THAT ONE BUT WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO AGAIN? THE ONE WAS THEY HAVE TO START THE FIRST BUILDING WITHIN THREE YEARS.
AND THEN THAT BRICK FACADE OR APPROVED FACADE DOWN THE, UH, LEFT SIDE, IT'D BE THE WEST SIDE OF WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING FACING HARRISON SUPERMARKET.
SO THAT WHEN YOU COME UP FERNDALE, YOU SEE A NICE LOOKING STRUCTURE.
LOOKING THOSE INSTRUCTIONS CAN BE GENERIC AS LONG AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS THEM AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.
WE KNOW WHAT Y'ALLS DESIRE IS.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK AND MR. HAYES TOO OUR GIST OF WHAT WE WANTED WITH THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO GIVEN THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION.
SO, UH, BE IT RESOLVED IN AN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 ALPHA SEVEN.
IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INTENDED, INITIATED RATHER, IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST C DASH 24 DASH FOUR AS AMENDED WITH, UH, IS BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ONE IS THAT THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST SECTION HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN THREE.
IT HAS TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN THREE YEARS OF BOARD APPROVAL, OR AT LEAST STARTED.
I MEAN THAT WITHIN THREE YEARS THAT THE FIRST UNIT HAS TO BE STARTED FROM BOARD APPROVAL.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE WEST SIDE FACADE BE ADJUSTED AS DISCUSSED AT TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AND THIRDLY, TO HAVE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT MOVEMENTS FOR TRAFFIC WITH NO LEFT TURNS AND WITH THE, UM, THE RIGHT TURN, EXCUSE ME, THE RIGHT END AND RIGHT EYE SUCH THAT IT PHYSICALLY PREVENTS LEFT TURNS.
THOSE ARE THE THREE, UH, AMENDMENTS, AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? I MAKE A SECOND.
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MR. BLE? YES.SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT WITH IC DASH 24 DASH FOUR HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE 7 2 0 VOTE.
UH, CASE P DASH 24 DASH SIX TONIGHT, WE WILL ONLY BE DOING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS.
UH, WE WILL NOT BE LISTENING TO STAFF REPORT AND ALL OF THAT, THAT THERE WAS SOME THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, BEFORE IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FOR VOTING.
SO AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIR, I YES.
MARK, DO YOU WANNA MAKE SOME COMMENTS? I'LL, I'LL LET YOU HANDLE THAT IF THAT'S OKAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC BEFORE THIS AND EVERYTHING.
THERE, THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE PROFITS THAT THERE, IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS A TAX MAP THAT IT'S REZONING A PORTION OF AND AND LEGALLY WE NEED AN EXHIBIT TO TELL US EXACTLY WHAT PORTION OF THAT THE PROFITS WILL APPLY TO.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT AND THAT'S ALSO AN INCORRECT, UM, I GUESS IT'S A TYPO.
ANYBODY THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
SO I WANT THAT CLEANED UP FOR SO Y'ALL CAN HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT Y'ALL TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN GET, GET CLEANED UP.
WELL, TO CLARIFY YOUR SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, AND THEN AGAIN NEXT TIME I'LL HAVE TO MAKE A LEGAL CALL ON THAT.
IF YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, IT MIGHT BE OR WE JUST TABLE THE WHOLE THING.
PHIL, I, I WOULD HAVE THE PUBLIC, I WOULD, I WOULD OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
IT'LL GIVE US AN OPTION OF WHETHER WE DO IT NEXT TIME OR NOT.
ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS ADVERTISED AND FORTH.
ALRIGHT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CASE P DASH 24 DASH SIX.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT CASE? I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT? HEARING NONE.
I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO CASE P DASH 24 DASH SEVEN.
I WOULD ASK THAT A MOTION BE MADE TO TABLE MAKE A MOTION TO TO TABLE THE TABLE IT UNTIL NEXT.
IS THERE A SECOND ROLL CALL TO TABLE IT? MR. TUCKER? YES.
SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT VO ON P DASH 24 DASH SIX HAS BEEN TABLED UNTIL THE AUGUST MEETING, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S UH, AUGUST 14TH MEETING.
CASE P DASH 24 DASH SEVEN MARK.
YEAH, YOU'RE COMING UP FOR THAT.
PROBABLY ALL GOES OFF AUTOMATICALLY, RIGHT? IT WON'T ME.
WE GOTTA WE GOTTA TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THAT IF I'M GONNA WEAR A LONG SLEEVE AND YEAH.
YEAH, OUR UH, NEXT CASE, UH, THAT WE'RE HEARING IS P DASH 24 DASH SEVEN.
UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED REZONING, UH, FOR LEES BRANCH LLC AND THEIR AGENT, MR. GORDON, WHO'S HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU ALL MAY REMEMBER, UM, THE, YOU DID A PLAT REVIEW FOR THE OVERALL, UH, PARENT PARCEL, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND, UH, SINCE THAT TIME IT WAS DISCOVERED, UH, THAT A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED, UH, IN BLUE IS UH, DESIGNATED AS RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A TWO.
AND, UM, AGAIN, UH, IN JANUARY, 2024, UH, THE, UH, PLAT WAS APPROVED, UH, TO DIVIDE THE PARENT PARCEL INTO THE FOUR SUBJECT PARCELS.
UM, WHY WE HAVE THE DESCRIPTION, UH, FOR THE TAX MAP PARCELS PART OF 91 DASH 12 DASH ONE AND 91 DASH 12 DASH TWO, UH, AS BEING THE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR, UH, REZONING BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S THE R ONE, UH, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE ZONING MAP, UM, THAT IS THE PORTION OF
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THE PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED R ONE.SO ANYTHING THAT, UH, ON THOSE TWO PARCELS THAT ZONED R ONE, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO RE REZONE THAT, UH, TO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A TWO.
ALL THE SURROUNDING, UH, PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AND IS EITHER, UH, OPEN SPACE, UH, TIMBER PROPERTY, UH, FARMLAND, UM, AND DEVELOPED WITH UH, GENERALLY LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY GIVEN THAT THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES.
AND TWO, THE PROPOSED USE AND ZONING CONFORMS TO THE RECOMMENDED USES AND ZONING FOR THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS GENERAL AREA OF THE COUNTY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? YES.
AT THIS TIME ALL WE'RE REZONING IS THAT BLUE PORTION OF THE WHOLE THING? YES.
YES, JUST THE PORTION THAT'S ZONED R ONE ACCORDING TO THE ZONING MAP.
SO TO FURTHER CLARIFY THAT, I'M TRYING TO PROJECT THESE TWO IMAGES TOGETHER.
SO THE BLUE, THE BLUE REZONING IS PART OF WHAT'S LABELED IN THE PLAT IS ALPHA AND DANA, RIGHT? YES.
THOUGHTS ON ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SIR.
WELL, WHAT I DID GET ON THE TAIL, WE SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST ONE.
LOOK AT HOW MUCH I WAS GLAD THAT THE LAST ONE GOT APPROVED THAT WAY.
HAMPTON GOR EACH CASE STANDS ON.
UM, JUST TO, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT BUT A SECOND, BUT JUST TO, UH, JUST TO, TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT MARK SAID WHEN WE DID THE DIVISION, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP, NOTHING IN THAT, IN THAT AREA IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
UH, WE HAD NO IDEA IT WAS THERE AND, AND AND, AND THERE'S NOTHING IN, AS FAR AS I KNOW, I THINK WE LOOKED THAT STAFF COULD FIND TO GIVE A REASON AS TO WHY IT WAS EVER AS THAT LITTLE BLOCK OF THE ENTIRE PIECE WAS ZONED THAT.
SO WHEN THE, WHEN THE, UH, CURRENT UH, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WANTED TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, IT POPPED UP, OH, WELL IT'S OWNED RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN IF WITHOUT KNOWN THAT WE MIGHT HAVE CUT A FEW MORE LIGHTS OUT OF IT.
SO IT WASN'T ORIGINALLY BRACHY, WAS IT? OH, NO, NOT TO MY, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
SO, SO THAT, BUT THEY CAN'T GET A, THEY CAN'T ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT THE WAY IT IS.
SO IT KINDA HOLDS EVERYTHING UP.
UH, Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? WHAT DO WE PLAN ON DOING WITH BUILDING THE HOUSE? YES SIR.
SO, SO BACK IN JANUARY I BROUGHT IN A, A SUBDIVISION FOR REVIEW THAT, THAT YOU ALL HAD LOOKED AT, UM, JUST TO, TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF WHAT WAS BEING DONE.
IT, IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A TWO ZONING, UH, FOR A DIVISION.
WE TOOK 67 ACRES AND DIVIDED IT INTO FOUR PARCELS BASED ON WHAT, UM, WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE COURT CURRENT ORDINANCE.
SO THE OWNER SOLD THE PROPERTY AND THE CURRENT OWNER PURCHASED IT AND, AND, AND THEY CAME IN TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THAT'S HOW, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT ANY OF US KNOW.
NORMALLY I CHECK THAT KIND OF THING, BUT I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WOULD EVEN RIGHT.
ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS? THE APPLICANT? SO IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T REZONE IT, THEY CAN'T DO IT RIGHT? WELL ACTUALLY, QUITE HONESTLY, WE WOULD PROBABLY COME BACK IN AND TRY TO GET A FEW, HE WOULD HAVE IT BUY RIGHT LOTS THERE THAT HE COULD GET SMALLER LOTS AND GET MORE LOTS OUT OF IT.
SO THAT WAS, WE'RE DOWN ZONING.
THE REASON THAT WE DID THE FOUR PARCELS IS BECAUSE IT MET THE SLIDE RULE OF UNDER 60, OVER 64 ACRES.
SO WE WERE ONLY ALLOWED FOUR PARCELS.
EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY WITH THAT, SO, SO BE HAPPY WITH THIS
OKAY, I WANNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO TALK MR. CHAIR? THERE IS NOT.
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ALRIGHT.I CLOSED THE HEARING FOR THIS CASE AND WE CAN MOVE ON AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SOME BURNING QUESTION, WANTS TO ROLL OUT A IF, IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ONE.
NO, I, I I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION.
HA HAVE YOU, DID YOU GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHY IT'S LIKE THAT? NO, SIR.
YEAH, WHO KNOWS? THERE HAS BEEN TWO OR THREE OF THESE OVER THE YEARS THAT COME UP LIKE THIS AND I HAVE TO BELIEVE IT WAS A TYPO WHEN SOMEBODY WAS PUTTING IT IN.
THEY ACTUALLY JUST HIT THE WRONG CLASSIFICATION.
AND I I'M, I MEAN THIS, THIS COST YOU TO COME IN HERE TO DO THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DID THAT, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
WELL, IT'S, I MEAN, AND LOOK, I I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY HIT A KEYSTROKE AND, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOWS JUST MY THOUGHTS.
I THINK THE COUNTY WAIVE WAS A FEE WAIVED OR, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD WAIVE IT.
SO THEY, THEY MIGHT GET SO SOMEBODY SEES THAT.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN THE ORDER TO ASSUME COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 86 87.
AND IT STATES THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF WHICH THE RESOLUTION INITIATED TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT TO A ZONING P 24 DASH SEVEN BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING AYE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, SIR.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ALL NIGHT TONIGHT.
IT IS NOW TIME FOR OLD BUSINESS.
IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO COME BEFORE US AT THIS TIME? NO.
MS. CHAIR? I HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS.
ANY NEW BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS.
[10. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? I'M TIRED.I, I I JUST WANT TO ALVIN, OUR NEXT MEETING IS THE 14TH, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
I'M GOING TO BE ON VACATION JUST LETTING YOU KNOW ANYTHING.
WELL, SOMEBODY AIN'T BEEN ON IN A LONG TIME.
CAN I DO IT BY AUDIO ZOOM OR I JUST YOU CAN BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
WE WE WILL LET YOU HAVE A VACATION.
DON'T YOU JUST GO ON VACATION.
WELL, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP TO THAT BECAUSE I TRAVEL A LOT AND I'VE HAD, I WOULD RATHER NOT MISS SOMETHING MYSELF.
I MEAN, I GUESS IT WOULD TAKE, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THAT THROUGH CHANGING OUR BYLAWS ONLY OR IS IT SOME STATUTE THAT PREVENTS THAT? NO, UM, THAT CHANGED DURING COVID.
AND I, I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I THINK IT'S, YOU CAN DO IT.
YOU CAN, WAS IT TWO TIMES A YEAR? I CAN STILL GET A, A LIQUOR BY THE DRINK FOR CARRY OUT I GUESS.
I GUESS I OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
BUT I, I'M LIKE, I I'M FINE WITH MISSING IT.
IS IT GONNA BE THAT MUCH OR AM I GONNA BE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL? I THINK WE HAVE TWO NEW CASES AND THEN THIS ONE BOTH IN WEST PETERBURG AND THEN THE OKAY.
THE CASE ON ROUTE ONE THAT WE, SO WEST PETERSBURG IS COMBINING LOTS AGAIN, I GUESS, IS THAT YES, YES.
HE'LL GET BUT BUT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS AFTER, DURING COVID AND AFTER COVID, THEY CHANGED THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT USED TO BE VERY RESTRICTIVE AND THAT'S OKAY.
I MEAN IF HE WANTS TO DO THAT, HE CAN DO IT OR DOES WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE PROBLEM? WELL WE GOT, NO, I DON'T, I LOOK AT THE BYLAWS BUT I I IT'S THE VIRGINIA CODE ALLOWS IT SO WE CAN WELL THAT'S GOOD.
I GET STUCK THREE OR FOUR HOURS.
JUST GIMME A, USUALLY GIMME A HEADS UP SO WE CAN, SO IF YOU WANT DO IT.
I MEAN WE'LL WE'LL CARRY THE NOTE.
YOU JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GOING SOMEWHERE NICE OR WHAT? I'M ACTUALLY GOING IN N'S HEAD FOR.
WELL I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
DON'T EXPECT THIS TO BE THE NOISE.
WE DO NOT WANT THE HEAR THE OCEAN.
I DON'T WANT BREAKING BEHIND YOU
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? I MOVE, WE ADJOURN.
[11. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS]
DIRECTOR COMMENTS FIRST.MR. CAN YOU ASK QUESTION? HOW YOU DOING ON HIRING? MR. MR? OH, UH, YEAH, THANK YOU.
UM, FOR BOTH POSITIONS, THE ASSISTANT
[02:50:01]
PLANNING DIRECTOR AND ALSO THE PLANNER ONE POSITION, WE HAVE TWO CANDIDATES.THEY BOTH ACCEPTED, UH, AND THEY WILL BE, UM, STARTING WITH THE COUNTY ON AUGUST 1ST.
ONE OF 'EM, IT LEADS TO BE HERE FOR THE CASE, WON'T THEY? IF IT'S ZONING CAROLINA? YES.
DON'T YOU USUALLY LET THE YEAH, THE ZONING GUY DO THE OR GAL.
YEAH, YOU GONNA BE, YOU NEED TO GO WITH ALVIN TO THE BEACH
RIGHT? ALL, ALL I GOTTA TELL YOU IS IT LOOKS VERY SAD SOMETIMES.
LET'S JUST SAY THAT'S, HEY, YOU NEED A BREAK AND YOU HAD SOMETHING MR. DREW THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY OR YOU DON'T JUST YEAH, NO, JUST VERY, VERY BRIEFLY.
I JUST WANT, Y'ALL MAY KNOW THIS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT JUST HAPPENED THIS WEEK.
THE, UM, LILY POND WAS TURNED DOWN BY THE, THE BOARD AND UM, WE GOT SERVED WITH A, WITH A LEGAL SUIT.
SO JUST WANNA LET Y'ALL KNOW IF WHO, WHAT'S THAT? COUNTY? THE COUNTY.
SO WHAT'S THE BASIS OF, WHAT'S OUR ARGUMENT? GIVE ME A CALL.
YEAH, IT'S LIKE 50 SOMETHING DIFFERENT THINGS,
IF Y'ALL WANT TO KNOW MORE, JUST CALL ME, EMAIL ME OR SOMETHING.
I'M JUST GONNA FOLLOW YOU FOR YOU, YOU THE DOCUMENT.
HOW'S THAT? I, I, I WOULD, I I'LL FIND SOME REASON TO DENY IT.
IS THERE A SECOND? WE ADJOURNED.