* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] CALL ME NOR [1. ROLL CALL] ROLL. CALL MS. EBRA BONNER. HERE. MR. DOOLEY. HERE. DR. MOORE. HERE. MR. LEE. HERE. MR. CHAVIS. HERE. FIVE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT. OKAY. WE ARE, UM, HAVE THE INVOCATION FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I FOLLOWED YOUR HONOR, WHO ARE IN HEAVEN? HALLOW BE THY NAME. THY KINGDOM COME. THOU WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. GIVE US TO STAY OUR DAILY BREAD AND, AND FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US. AND LEAD US, NOT INTIMIDATION, BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL OF THE DY OF KINGDOM, THE POWER AND GLORY FOREVER AND EVER. ON THAT I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE THROUGH THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS [4. AMENDMENTS TO AGENDA] TO THE AGENDA? NO AMENDMENTS FROM STAFF. MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. ROLL CALL. I NEED A MOTION. MOTION. MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SECOND ROLL CALL MS. EBRA BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. OKAY. WE'VE HAD TIME TO [5. CONSENT AGENDA] LOOK AT THE CONSENT AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON NO, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MS. EBRA BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. HALL VOTING? AYE. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING ON [6.A. Virginia Department Of Transportation ] TO REPORTS. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. THIS MAN IS A HAPPY MAN TODAY. ? YES. ? YES, I AM. YEAH, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW, I GOT PHONE CALLS TO SAY I DON'T NEED TO BE THERE TODAY. THE ROAD IS OPEN, SO I WILL STOP GETTING TEXT MESSAGE, UGLY TEXT MESSAGES FROM RANDOM PHONE NUMBERS TOO. AWW. VERY THANKFUL. . WELL, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A HARD TIME, BUT WE SHOULD CELEBRATE AND YES, I PROMISE YOU WON'T GIVE YOU A HARD TIME TODAY. YOU HAVE A PASS FROM ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. , BY ALL MEANS, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT, I, I'M READY. OH, I'M OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, HARDAWAYS MILLS OPEN. THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE ON MY LIST, UM, WRAPPED EVERYTHING UP THERE. WE WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. UM, PAVING ON ROUTE ONE THAT'S CAUSING, UH, SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES FOR THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS. IT IS, UH, HOWEVER, WRAPPING UP THIS WEEK, THEY SHOULD BE OUT OF THERE BY THE 23RD. ALL THE MILLING OPERATION IS DONE. THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE ASPHALT TO DELAY. UM, AND THAT WILL BE IT FOR THAT PROJECT. A MUCH SMOOTHER RIDE IN THAT AREA. YES, YES. UM, THEY DID BREAK THAT, UH, UP INTO TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS. SO THE SECTION FROM THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO THE PETERSBURG LINE, I BELIEVE IS ACTUALLY, UM, PART OF A RESEARCH COUNCIL PROJECT. IT IS WHAT'S CALLED A FIBER REINFORCED ASPHALT. IT'S MORE OR LESS A FIBERGLASS KIND OF SUBSTANCE THAT IS IN THE ASPHALT. SUPPOSED TO GIVE IT MORE STRENGTH AND MAKE IT LAST LONGER. SO OVER THE NEXT YEARS, WE'LL, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE A SIDE TO SIDE COMPARED TO NORMAL ASPHALT TO FIBER REINFORCED. SO IT MAY END UP LOOKING DIFFERENT RIGHT. IN DIFFERENT AS IT PROGRESSES. AND, AND THAT IS WHY. SO INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT ENDS UP IN THE VERY LONG RUN. UM, WE BEGAN OUR PRIMARY MOWING IN THE COUNTY LAST WEEK. UM, THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A PRIMARY CYCLE WITH STATE FORCES. UM, GONNA DO A NOTICE TO PROCEED TO CUT OUR SECONDARIES, UH, WITH CONTRACT FORCES WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. MM-HMM . BEGAN PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING ON OUR 6 28 TRANQUILITY LANE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. UM, GOTTA GO THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL SCOPING AND GET EVERYTHING PREPARED. UM, ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE BEFORE WE CAN INITIATE CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT SAFETY PROJECT ARE THROUGH SHARK RESTRICTIONS. UM, I'VE GOT THE DRAFT ADS COMPLETED FOR THE HALIFAX ROAD. BEEN WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM TO GET EVERYTHING PREPARED, UH, FOR THAT. AND WE'LL BE, UH, TOUCHING BASE WITH OUR MEDIA PARTNERS AND NEWSPAPER OUTLETS TO GET THOSE ADS POSTED, GET THE SIGNS POSTED. UM, I'VE GOTTA COORDINATE THE POSTING OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SIGNS ON THE SAME DAY THAT THE AD IS PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER. UM, THAT SHOULD BE COMING OUT WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. IT'S JUST LINING IT UP WITH THOSE PUBLISHERS AND OUR STRUCTURES OVER ROUTE ONE, THE 85 BRIDGES, THE NORTHBOUND, UH, SOUTHBOUND SIDE IS UNDERWAY. THEY, THEY HAVE TO RECOAT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE ON THAT SIDE. THEY'LL HAVE TO BUILD THE WHOLE [00:05:01] DRAPERY NETWORK TO COVER IT UP. THEY, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL BE SANDBLASTING THAT STRUCTURE, SO THEY HAVE TO COVER EVERYTHING UP WHILE THEY SANDBLAST IT. SO NONE OF THE BLASTING MATERIAL GOES ALL OVER THE PLACE. ALL OVER THE ROAD. UM, IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE A COUPLE WEEKS TO GET THAT PROJECT DONE ONCE THEY'RE AND WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? UM, THIS IS 85 OF RAT ONE. THE BRIDGES THAT, UM, ARE GONNA BE RECODED THE BRIDGES. MM-HMM. UM, THE NORTHBOUND SIDE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER TO BE RECODED. THAT IS, HOWEVER, ON THE CONTRACT AFTER A RENEWAL, IF THE CONTRACTOR FAILS TO RENEW, IT'LL BE READVERTISED. MM-HMM . HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T RENEW. AND, AND THE MOBILIZED FROM THIS ONE TO THAT ONE IN OCTOBER. IF NOT, IT'LL GET READVERTISED AND SHOULD SEE SOME WORK ON IT IN THE SPRING. GOTCHA. MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO. YEAH. NO, I DIDN'T HAVE A COMMENT. PRETTY GOOD. YES, MA'AM. YEAH. UM, UM, I'M GLAD YOU CUT THE GRASS BEFORE YOU CAME IN TODAY ON THE , THE OVERHEAD , BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, I KNOW AARON IS GONNA GET THAT DONE, BUT IT WAS HIGH. IT WAS REALLY HIGH. AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CARS, YOU KNOW, HAD CALLED ME, THEY COULDN'T SEE ON BOTH ENDS, BUT YOU, UM, YOU GOT THAT CUT. AND I WANTED TO ASK IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GET MORE RAIN AND EVERYTHING. IS THERE ANY WAY, ESPECIALLY ON THE OVERHEAD, OVERHEAD PASSES, CAN THEY KEEP THAT GRASS CUT? I KNOW YOU HAVE A SCHEDULE MM-HMM . BUT, UM, AND I KNOW THE RAIN JUST BRINGS MORE, BUT, UM, THAT WOULD REALLY HELP PEOPLE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH ON MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. AND IS THIS SPECIFICALLY AT 85 AND ROUTE ONE OR, YEAH, 85. YEAH. MM-HMM . I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, I SEE THE, UM, THE GRASS WAS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY REAL HIGH ON BOTH ENDS, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . BUT I KNOW THAT THEY DID A GOOD JOB AT CUTTING THAT, SO YES. BECAUSE, UM, SOME PEOPLE HAD SAID SOMETHING. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I WAS DRIVING, I COULDN'T SEE, AND I SAID, OKAY. UM, I SAID, HIS NAME IS AARON FRENCH . BUT ANYWAY, I SAID I WAS GONNA LET LET YOU KNOW. YEAH. SO WE, I SHARE THAT INTERCHANGE ROUTE. ONE PORTION OF IT IS MINE, THE, THE ACTUAL CLOVERLEAF, THE CIRCULAR AREAS, OUR INTERSTATE MAINTENANCE OFFICE. SO WE KIND OF SPLIT THE MOWING OF THAT UP. I DO HAVE A REGULARLY COORDINATE WITH, UM, OUR INTERSTATE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR ON GETTING A, SHE KNOWS THAT IT IS A, IT IS A POINT OF, OF, UM, TO, TO GET IT DONE. GET IT DONE . YEAH. AND HAVE IT LOOK SLIGHTLY, UM, AS WELL AS SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS TOO. SO I'LL CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH HER AND MAKE SURE IT'S GETTING DONE. OKAY. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. SOME, SOMEONE ASKED ME ABOUT, UM, AND I, AND I TOLD THEM I WAS GOING TO ASK AT THE MEETING ABOUT SIDEWALKS IN WEST PETERSBURG. EXISTING OR BUILDING OR TO, TO HAVE TO HAVE, TO HAVE. OKAY. UM, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AS, AS PART OF A MAINTENANCE PROJECT. UM, IT WOULD EITHER BE, HAVE TO BE INITIATED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, RUN THROUGH THE SIX YEAR PLAN. UM, OR THE BEST WAY TO GET SIDEWALKS IS THROUGH GRANT FUNDING, UM, AND SMART SCALE FUNDING, UH, WHICH IS THE TAP PROGRAM. IT'S THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES. IT'S FEDERAL, FEDERAL GRANT, UM, FUNDING THAT YOU CAN GET TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AS A SMART SCALE APPLICATION. UM, AND IT'S AWARDED BASED ON DIFFERENT CRITERIA, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, CONNECTIONS TO OTHER FACILITIES, BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS. UM, IT IS CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT DOING. OKAY. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT UP AND DOWN, THAT THAT STRETCH OF, OF ROUTE ONE FROM WESTGATE DOWN TO MCDONALD'S AND EVERYTHING MM-HMM . WE DO SEE A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE. YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. AND, UH, AND ALSO THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UM, ASKING INSIDE WEST PETERSBURG. OKAY. YEAH. ALSO MM-HMM . INSIDE. OKAY. MR. . YEAH. OR JUST, JUST TO KIND OF DOVETAIL OFF MS. EBA ON THE GRASS CUTTING PIECE. UM, YEAH. EITHER WE NEED TO MEET EVERY TWO WEEKS SO THE GRASS GETS CUT FASTER OR . I, I WAS CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WATCH ANY SOCIAL MEDIA AT ALL, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE HIGH GRASS THIS TIME, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE MENTIONED IT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE A JOHNSON GRASS CONTROL BOARD IN THE COUNTY. UM, IT, IT'S IN THE COUNTY CODE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE JOHNSON GRASS THROUGHOUT DEWIN COUNTY, YOU KNOW IT WHEN IT'S NOT GETTING CUT. AND I KNOW I, I KNOW I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR, UM, BUT THE SECONDARY ROADS, THEY DON'T GET CUT. SO YOU GET HOW MANY CUTS ON A SECONDARY. WE TYPICALLY DO THREE CYCLES A YEAR, THREE, THREE [00:10:01] CYCLES A YEAR IN A PRIMARY, THREE CYCLES, THREE CYCLES AS WELL. SAME SECONDARY AND PRIMARY. UH, SO WHEN, WHEN JOHNSON GRASSES, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT IT ACTUALLY SEEDS IT, IT'S OUTTA CONTROL. AND SO WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE NOT CUTTING IT, AND IT GETS TO THAT POINT AND IT'S TO DRIVE DEWINE COUNTY AND IT, IT GROWS MUCH MORE EXPEDITIOUSLY THAN JUST NORMAL GRASS AND ESPECIALLY AT INTERSECTIONS AND INTERCHANGES. UM, SO I I, I KNOW IN TALKING TO SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHEN, SO I KNOW THESE ARE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CYCLE CUTS THREE SECONDARY, THREE PRIMARY. BUT IN, I THINK WHAT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, AND MAYBE RICHMOND NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER, IS IF, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA CUT THE GRASS MORE FREQUENTLY, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO SAFETY SITE DISTANCE CLEARING CUTS MORE FREQUENTLY. YES. AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THAT'S BASED ON A, I GUESS A, A CALL IN BASIS, WHICH THEN PUTS THE CITIZENS HAVING TO CALL THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT THEN HAVE TO, TO CALL YOU, UH, WHICH, OR, OR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WHEN THEY'RE OUT RIDING AROUND AND THEY, THEY SEE IT. UM, BUT TO MISS, MISS BONNER'S POINT, UM, SMALL SEDANS AND SOME OF THESE INTERSTATE, YOU JUST CANNOT SEE AROUND IT. AND IT'S, IT IS BECOME A BIG ISSUE. UH, INTERSTATE MAINTENANCE 85 IN ROUTE ONE. YOU KNOW, YOU, THE ON AND OFF RAMPS, THAT'S WHERE YOUR JOHNSON GRASS IS. THE, IS THE HIGHEST. YOU KNOW, MR. HENSON CAME IN AND TALKED ABOUT A FEW MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS THAT INTERCHANGES MM-HMM . UM, AT THAT 85 AND ONE, I SEE SOME SUNFLOWERS STARTING TO POP UP OVER THERE. AND SO I'M, I'M ASSUMING SUNFLOWER ALL THREE OF THEM. YEAH. YEAH. SO, BUT, BUT I, I GUESS THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT INTO A WILDLIFE PART IN SOME OF THAT AREA. BUT, UM, I, I REALLY DO THINK, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT DOING BUDGET NEXT MEETING, BUT I REALLY THINK WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT, AT LEAST FOR THE TRAVELING PUBLIC, 'CAUSE IN SOME OF THESE PLACES, IT'S REALLY BAD AND THAT IT MAY BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, UM, BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANIZED AND PREEMPTIVE ON OUR BEHALF WITH THE MAINTENANCE CREWS AND, AND HAVING A SET INTERMEDIATE CUT PER SE, JUST FORESIGHT DISTANCE, RATHER THAN DOING IT ON A CALL BASIS. SAY IT'S GETTING LONG, WE NEED TO GO ON AHEAD AND DO IT. WELL, I THINK, NOT TO POINT TO THE BOARD MEMBER ASKED, BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE SAFETY FUNDS MM-HMM . SO THE QUESTION'S EVEN BEEN ASKED ME, CAN WE SHIFT SAFETY FUNDS POTENTIALLY, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU NEED A FUND TO PAY IT OUT OF, SHOULD WE JUST SET ASIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OUT OF THE SAFETY MONEY TO TRY TO, IS IT A BUDGET ISSUE OR IS IT A, THE ALLOCATION FOR THE, YOU SPEAKING TO THE CSOI MONEY? YEAH, YEAH. YES. THAT WILL NOT COVER ONE CYCLE OF MOWING. REALLY? YES, SIR. MM-HMM . THAT GOES THAT IDEA. EACH CYCLE, EACH MOWING CYCLE THAT I DO COMPLETE FOR THE WHOLE RESIDENCY, ALL THREE COUNTIES IS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS. SO EACH COUNTY IS ABOUT 300,000 EACH. WOW. MM-HMM . OKAY. A LOT OF MONEY. THAT'S WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO AT THE END OF THE DAY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOUGH PART IS IT'S LIKE FEAST OR FAMINE. IF WE WERE TO GO BACK SIX WEEKS AGO, NONE OF US WERE HARDLY CUTTING ANY GRASS. MM-HMM. AND THEN WE GOT A D TERRAIN, AND THEN WE HAVE AN ISSUE. BUT THE CUTTING CYCLE MAY BE NOT APPROPRIATE. YES. BECAUSE OF WHEN THE RAIN CAME. AND, UH, I JUST KNOW FOR ME, THE INTERSTATE, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM HARDEE'S AND YOU'RE GOING NORTH AND YOU'RE GONNA TURN ONTO THE INTERSTATE TO GO SOUTH ON 85, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I NOTICE IF A CAR IS COMING ON THE RAMP, THAT ONE IS THE ONE THAT HAD CAUGHT, GOTTEN ME PERSONALLY. YEAH. MM-HMM . AND THE RAMP GOING DOWN, FACING SOUTHBOUND MM-HMM . UM, THAT GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING ONLINE. MM-HMM . SO ARE, ARE ANY OF YOUR LOCALITIES THAT'S IN THE RESIDENCY ACTUALLY CUTTING GRASS IN THE VDOT RIGHT AWAY? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO SIR. OKAY. I, I KNOW OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE. THIS, THIS ISSUE, WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK. SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, THE LOCALITIES THEMSELVES HAVE, I GUESS JUST GOTTEN FRUSTRATED WITH IT. AND THEIR, THEY'RE STARTING TO CUT GRASS. MY WORRY, IF WE EVER START CUTTING GRASS, WE'RE NOT GONNA STOP CUTTING GRASS. SO PRECEDENTS WILL BE SAID, DON'T START. NOPE. ANYBODY LISTENING, DON'T START AT A PRIVATE CITIZEN. THEY, THEY MAKE CUT THE GRASS ALONG THE ROADWAY IN FRONT OF THEIR, IN FRONT OF THEIR RESIDENCE. WE, YOU MAY DO IT AS YOU PLEASE, BUT WE DO STICKLY. I DO IT MINE. YEAH. IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. THAT'S, THAT'S IT. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU CUT ON SIMPSON ROAD? THAT CORRECT, BECAUSE IT WAS ALL CUT THE OTHER DAY, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL DID THAT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. WE STARTED ON OUR PRIMARIES. I THINK THEY ARE JUST WORKING ON FOUR 60 ON [00:15:01] THIS END OF THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. YEAH. THAT WAS ON SIMPSON ROAD. I JUST THOUGHT I ASKED BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, SO, OKAY. OKAY. 7 0 3 WHERE THEY, UM, HAD A WASHOUT MM-HMM . THEY'RE, THEY'RE TODAY WORKING ON IT. DID IT HAVE ANOTHER, UH, ISSUE WITH, UM, THE BERTS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON? THE PATCH THAT WAS PUT OVER 7 0 3 WHEN THEY DID IT IN JANUARY WAS DONE RATHER HASTE TO LEASE. SO THEY'RE MILLING AND PAVING TO PUT A MUCH SMOOTHER RIDE IN. OKAY. UM, THEY'VE GOTTA DO SOME STREAM RESTORATION WORK THROUGH THERE AS WELL. UM, WHEN THAT CULVERT WASHED OUT, BLEW A BUNCH OF SEDIMENT STONED DOWNSTREAM, THERE IS A THREATENING ENDANGERED SPECIES OF FISH IN THAT BRANCH. AND THEY HAVE TO GET THE SEDIMENT OUT OF THE STREAM TO NOT ENDANGER THE FISH. DON'T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT FISH IN THERE INSTEAD OF ME FISHING FROM THE , THE ROANOKE LOG PERCH. OKAY. HOW ABOUT THAT? ALL THE TIME. MM-HMM . REALLY WELL. OKE OKAY. I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE , BUT YOU DO. HE SLOWS THINGS DOWN. YOU DON'T STAND THERE AND TO WATCH AND SEE 'EM GO BY, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU MR. FRENCH. AND ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR HARDAWAY. I ADMIT YOU WERE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS TODAY AND I THANK GOD IT'S, UH, ME TOO. YOUR SURPRISED WAS TAKEN CARE OF. YEP. OKAY. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, MOVING [6.B. Community Needs Assessment] ON. COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT, MS. ENGEL. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU ALL. GOOD AFTERNOON. NO, MA'AM. I'M HERE TODAY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR SCHOOLS. I MET WITH OUR SCHOOL BOARD LAST WEEK, UM, ON THIS NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT'S, UH, NEEDED. UM, ALSO PARTNERING WITH Y'ALL AS FAR AS THIS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND MARIE WITH THE GRANT AS WELL. AND SO THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE WAS IN, UH, 2020. AND SO WE'RE AT THAT FIVE YEAR POINT WHERE IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR US TO DO THE TESTING AND, UH, TO MEET WITH THE KIDS AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE SCHOOL THERE. I WILL SAY, UM, THE PLANNING YEAR IS THIS YEAR, SO WE HOPE TO HAVE IT RELEASED BY 2025, PROBABLY AROUND JUNE OR SO OF THIS TIMEFRAME. UH, AND OUR SCHOOL BOARD HAS BEEN VERY ENGAGING WITH US AND WILLING TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH US. ACTUALLY, MR. BROWN WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ACTUALLY WANTS TO BE A PART OF THE WHOLE IMPLEMENTATION, SO I HAVE TO REACH OUT TO HIM ON THAT. UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS DUE EVERY FIVE YEARS AND IT'S DUE BECAUSE SOCIAL SERVICES, CHILDREN'S SERVICES, JUVENILE JUSTICE, AND OUR SCHOOLS USE THAT ASSESSMENT IN ORDER TO DETERMINE SERVICES AND FUNDING AND SUCH THAT'S NEEDED FOR OUR KIDS AND OUR PARENTS AND FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT DATA THAT WE USED BEFORE, WE DID A STANDARDIZED YOUTH, UH, SURVEY THAT REALLY ADDRESSED LIKE WEAPONS, UH, VIOLENCE AND BULLYING, FEELINGS OF HOPELESSNESS AND SUICIDE, TOBACCO, ALCOHOL, DRUGS, SEXUAL ACTIVITY, BODY IMAGING, UH, DIET, NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL ACTIVITY. THOSE ARE USUALLY THE SAME CORE ONES THAT WE USED AS BEFORE. AND SO WE JUST COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE NEW, UH, GROUP OF KIDS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH. WE ALSO HAD CREATED SOME FOCUS GROUPS SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, AS WELL AS SOME KEY INFORMANT INTERVIEWS, JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING, SEEING THAT WE'RE SEEING. AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME SOCIAL INDICATOR DATA COLLECTED FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES, COMPARING LAST YEAR, THE 2020 TO THE 2025. THAT WILL BE THAT WAY. SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO STILL USE THE, THE YOUTH RISK BEHAVIOR SURVEY. UH, WE JUST HAD TO USE IT LAST TIME 'CAUSE IT'S NO COST. UM, WE PRETTY MUCH USED THE DATA THAT WAS, UH, GIVEN TO US BY THE UNITED STATES CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL, THE CDC, AND WE USED THAT INFORMATION AND PUT IT IN SURVEYMONKEY WITH THE SCHOOL'S PERMISSION AND USE THAT LIKE, UH, ON THEIR ELECTRONIC DEVICES TO ACTUALLY DO GET THE SURVEY DONE. UH, SO THAT'S USUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY SET ASIDE AND, AND KIND OF WORK THROUGH THAT. WE ALSO PUT OUT NOTICE ON THE WEBSITE. SO PARENTS HAVE THE, UH, THE OPTION TO, IF THEY DON'T WANT THEIR CHILD TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THEY JUST WOULD NEED TO FILL OUT THE OPT OUT LETTER THAT WE HAVE AND OUR SCHOOLS HAVE ALREADY STARTED USING THAT, UH, PREPARING THAT FOR THIS SURVEY POSSIBILITY. AND THEN THERE'LL ALSO BE SOME HARD COPIES AVAILABLE IN OUR OFFICE, WELL, IN THIS BUILDING AS WELL AS IN THE SCHOOL BUILDING, SO THAT FAMILIES WHO WANT TO LOOK AT THE, IN DE LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT IN DETAIL, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I WILL SAY LAST TIME THAT WE DID THE SURVEY, THEY ONLY ALLOWED US TO DO THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. AND THIS YEAR THEY HAVE ACTUALLY AGREED TO DO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS AND THEY ACTUALLY, UM, INDICATED THAT THEMSELVES. SO [00:20:01] INITIALLY I SAID IT WAS JUST THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE'LL BE OPEN TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. 'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH WE ALREADY KNEW. AND SO THEY HAVE AGREED TO ADD THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL GRADES FOR THIS SURVEY. LAST TIME THAT WE DID THE SURVEY, WE HAD, UM, 1,526 STUDENTS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE SURVEY, WHICH WAS A GOOD ASSESSMENT. AND WE HAD ABOUT 623 COMPLETE FULL, UM, COMPLETED SURVEYS AND ONLY TWO PEOPLE AP OPTED OUT. SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD, I WOULD THINK. AS FAR AS THE SURVEY GOES AT THIS POINT, UM, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, SIGNED CONSENT, UH, FROM THE FAMILIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO THAT. AND SO LAST TIME WE DID IT, THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WENT THROUGH, UH, THE LAST TIME. AND SOME OF THAT DATA WAS JUST CONNECTING MORE GUIDANCE COUNSELORS IN THE SCHOOL, LOOKING AT K THROUGH FIVE CLASSROOMS, PREVENTION OF EDUCATION THERE. UM, LOOKING AT THE NEED FOR MORE SCHOOL RESOURCES IN SOME COMMUNITY AREAS OF THE SCHOOLS. UM, SECONDARY IS PRIMARILY IS WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT AS WELL AS THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL AND, UH, ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF BULLYING. 'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S PRETTY BIG STILL NOW, EVEN MORE SO WITH ELECTRONIC DEVICES. SO WE WANNA DO MORE DATA ON THAT. AND THEN THE CYBER BULLYING IS CONNECTED WITH DEATH. UM, ALSO LOOKING AT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND BRINGING THAT INFORMATION IN THERE. AND THE SUICIDE PREVENTION COMMITTEE THAT WAS INVOLVED BEFORE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD MUCH OF THAT BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, OUR MENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF GONE THROUGH A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT PHASES RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE TRYING TO REENGAGE THEM IN THAT PROCESS. 'CAUSE THAT'S DEFINITELY KEY RIGHT NOW WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH. UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE COMMUNITY HEALTH FAIRS THAT WE HAD BEFORE. WE'RE LOOKING AT SEEING IF WE CAN EXPAND BACK ON THAT AGAIN, SEE SOME OF THESE OTHER SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY AND DIG, DO MORE WITH THE RESOURCE GUIDE. UM, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THEIR PHONES MORE SO FOR INFORMATION ELECTRONICALLY, SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR NOW. UM, ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? NO COMMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. SO, AGAIN, LAST TIME THAT WE DID THIS IN THE SCHOOLS, WE DID IT AT THE GEN BLOCK. SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHICH BLOCK THEY'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. I THINK THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. UM, BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION. AS YOU KNOW, MS. PETERS IS A NEW, UH, SPED DIRECTOR, AND SO SHE'S BEEN, UM, SHE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND SHE'S ACTUALLY WILLING TO WORK WITH US THROUGH THE PROCESS AS WELL. UH, SO WE'RE UPDATING HER ON HOW WE'RE DOING THAT, PUTTING IT IN A GOOGLE DOC FORMAT ON THE CHROMEBOOKS TO GET THAT DONE. UM, AND COMPARING ALL THE DATA THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, WE ANTICIPATED LAST TIME ABOUT A THOUSAND STUDENTS FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND 1400 FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL. I DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS RIGHT NOW YET, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE SOME NUMBERS THE NEXT TIME AS FAR AS THAT GOES. AND AS FAR AS MEETING WITH THE PLANNING PHASE OF THIS, ACTUALLY I GOT AN EMAIL, UM, YESTERDAY, UM, FROM OUR SCHOOL PEOPLE WHO, 'CAUSE THEY, WE HAD THE SCHOOL BOARD OFFICE MEETING. AND SO WE HAVE AGREED TO SET SEPTEMBER 10TH AS A MEETUP DATE TO KINDA FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA START AND HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK IN THE SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND WHERE THAT WOULD GO. AND ALSO HOW TO GET THOSE ON THOSE DEVICES. THE, THE SUMMARIES. SO I KNOW MARIA AND I HAD MET BEFORE AND WE USED THE CDC INFORMATION WITH THE SCHOOLS AND, AND COMPARE THAT AND PUT THAT ON THE ELECTRONIC DEVICES SO THEY CAN USE THAT. AND THEN THE SURVEY WOULD BE DONE AND, AND THE RESULTS WOULD BE FINALIZED AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REPORT THAT IN THE DOCUMENT THAT WE CREATE. UM, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN THING. I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FOR ME THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK? JUST TO COMMENT? I MEAN, THE, THE ENVIRONMENT IS DIFFERENT THIS TIME THAN IF WE WENT BACK FIVE YEARS AGO, MUCH SO, BECAUSE WE WERE HEADING INTO COVID AND LOCKDOWNS AND ALL THE OTHER GOOD STUFF THAT WAS GOING ON. SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE COMMENTS ARE AND, AND HOW THE, HOW IT COMES TOGETHER THIS TIME COMPARED TO WHERE WE WERE FIVE YEARS AGO. YEAH. AND WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO TALK A LOT ABOUT THE COVID AND HOW THAT AFFECTED A LOT OF THE ACADEMICS AND CONNECTIONS AND IT'S COMING BACK, ESPECIALLY THE SOCIAL PIECE. THERE'S A WHOLE, WHOLE SOCIAL DISCONNECT, NOT JUST WITH KIDS, BUT WITH ADULTS AND FAMILIES. SO THAT WILL BE INTERESTING. ABSOLUTELY. AND I, AND AS FAR AS WRAPPING IT UP, I KNOW YOU SAID SEPTEMBER 10TH, BUT TO DECIDE WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO GET THEM, I JUST, THE BALLPARK THINKING FIRST OF, OF NEXT YEAR WITH GETTING ALL THAT INFORMATION BACK AND HAVING A REPORT OR WHATEVER. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS PROBABLY CLOSE TO THAT. I MEAN, CLOSER PROBABLY, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH THEY CAN ACTUALLY GATHER AND, AND CAN, AND CAN USE WITH THE, WITH THE SURVEYMONKEY AND WITH THE COMPONENTS OF THE TECHNOLOGY. SO, UH, AND I'LL BE TALKING [00:25:01] TO TONY WITH THE SCHOOLS AND SHE'LL PROBABLY BE HELPING US. SO THAT'S WHAT OUR MEETING IS ON THE 10TH, IS TO ROLL THAT OUT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND HOW WE'D BE DONE AND WHICH CLASSES AND WHICH TIMEFRAME AND GETTING NOTICE OUT. SO WE'RE IN THAT PREPARING PIECE TO TRY AND GET IT GOING. BECAUSE WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS, IS ONCE IT COMES BACK IS TO MAYBE GET ALL THE GROUPS INVOLVED AND AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT, OF THE DATA. UM, YEAH. 'CAUSE I CAN LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND IT AND IMPLICATIONS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE DID ANYTHING, UM, FROM THE LAST REPORT MAYBE WE DID. MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW. SO YEAH, I'D LIKE, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE SOME REACTION TO IT. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND WE DID, 'CAUSE WE, WE ADDED SOME MORE RESOURCE OFFICERS AND SUCH LIKE THAT. SO THERE WERE SOME TO, IT WILL LOOK A LOT DIFFERENTLY THAN IT, IT WOULD BE NOW BECAUSE COVID I'M SURE HAD A BIG FACTOR IN THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE DEFINITELY KEY. THAT AND THE MENTAL HEALTH PIECE THAT'S REALLY BEEN DRIVEN FOR EVERYBODY. SO WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UM, UM, IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO TO SEE WHAT THEY, WHAT'S ON THEIR MINDS, YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME. AND AS YOU TALKED ABOUT COVID AND EVERYTHING, SO, YEAH. YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA IS SOMETHING ELSE. ANYWAY. IT PLAYS A BIG PART IN A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING ON THAT YOU MENTIONED, SO MM-HMM . I THINK, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE GREAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANGEL. THANK YOU ANGEL. THANKS. OKAY. WE HAVE SOME ACTION [7.A. Contract Award, Handguns For Sheriff’s Office] ITEMS. I DON'T SEE MR. TD ADAMS HERE. OH. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN. MAYBE NOT. I NEED TO READ A, A STATEMENT BEFORE WE OKAY. CONTINUE WITH THIS ITEM. AT THE AUGUST 20TH, 2024, REGULAR MEETING OF THE DEITY COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I, CASEY M DOOLEY INTEND TO ABSTAIN FROM DISCUSSION AND VOTE CONCERNING THE CONTRACT AWARD FOR HANDGUNS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I'M EMPLOYED BY DENE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. MASSENGILL, I COME TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON ON BEHALF OF SHERIFF ADAMS TO DISCUSS THE NEED FOR UPGRADING OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, HANDGUNS OUR DUTY WEAPONS. UH, LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. UM, BACK IN 2001, APPROXIMATELY 2001, WE TRANSITIONED FROM THE REVOLVERS TO THE SEMI-AUTOMATICS. WE, UH, AT THAT POINT CHOSE THE GLOCK, UH, MODEL 2340 CALIBER HANDGUN. UH, AT THAT TIME IT WAS THEIR GENERATION THREE MODEL. UM, ABOUT 2013, UH, WE UPGRADED FROM THE GENERATION THREE TO THE GENERATION FOUR, STILL WITH THE GLOCK MILE 20 THREES. UH, OVER THE OVER TIME, UH, THE GLOCKS HAD NIGHT SITES, THE NIGHT SITES BEGIN TO FADE AND FAIL. UH, JUST THE GENERAL WORKINGS OF THE WEAPON BEGIN TO HAVE WEAR AND TEAR, AND THE NEED IS TO UPGRADE. UM, ON, UH, THERE'S BEEN A TREND NATIONWIDE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO TRANSITION FROM THE 40 CALIBERS OF 40 FIVES TO THE NINE MILLIMETERS. UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF UPGRADES AND IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT TECHNOLOGY THERE. AND SO, UH, OUR FIREARMS, UH, INSTRUCTORS AND ARMORS IN THE DEPARTMENT, UH, DID A STUDY. UH, THEY WERE ABLE TO, UH, TEST SEVERAL MODELS. UH, THE SIG, UH, SIG SOUR, UH, GLOCK, UH, AND THEN THE FN UH, NINE MILLIMETERS COMPARED 'EM KIND OF, UH, AND WE'VE GOT, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SOME OF OUR MORE PROFICIENT SHOOTERS, SOME OF OUR LESS PROFICIENT SHOOTERS TO GO OUT AND TEST THOSE. AND ACROSS THE BOARD IT WAS, UH, PRETTY UNANIMOUS THAT THE SIG SOUR FROM, UH, THE, UH, OPERATION OF IT, FROM THE CUSTOMER SERVICE, FROM THE PRICING AND EVERYTHING, UH, WAS THE WEAPON THAT WE, UH, PREFERRED TO, TO CHOOSE. UM, WITH THAT, UH, WE RECEIVED, UH, UH, A QUOTE FROM THE MANUFACTURER THEMSELVES FOR A PACKAGE DEAL. AND, AND PART OF THIS WITH THE NINE MILLIMETERS, THEY'RE A LIGHTER WEIGHT WEAPON. UH, THEY'RE EASIER TO HANDLE FOR MAYBE THE FEMALE OFFICERS AND SOME OF THE, UH, LESS PROFICIENT SHOOTERS. AND WE WERE ADDING, UH, OPTICS LASER SITES, UH, AND FLASHLIGHTS TO 'EM FOR OFFICER SAFETY. UH, AND THAT'S WHAT COMES AS A PACKAGE DEAL WITH THE WEAPONS, ALONG WITH THE HOLSTERS AND EVERYTHING. UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU IS TO APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR, UH, WITH SEEK SOUR FOR 120,300 AND $120,320 AND 55 CENTS, UM, TIED FIT. THESE WE'RE GETTING TWO DIFFERENT MODELS. UH, THE M 18 NINE MILLIMETER AND THEN THE P 365 9 MILLIMETER. JUST DIFFERENCE IN SIZE, UH, OF THE WEAPON. AND DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'LL BE USED WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, JUST A QUESTION. 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE. WE, I THINK WE DID THIS THE [00:30:01] FIRST YEAR WE CAME ON THE BOARD. RIGHT. UM, WHAT DO THE CURRENT WEAPONS AND, AND THE AMMUNITION THAT WE HAVE, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRANSITION? WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THESE, AND WE'VE TALKED WITH SIG AND SIG IS, IS WORKING WITH THEIR DISTRIBUTORS. UH, THEY WILL BID OUT, UH, A BUYBACK ON, ON THESE, UH, WEAPONS. UH, THEY WILL GIVE THE COUNTY WHATEVER THE HIGHEST TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER, UH, UH, A, A BUYBACK PRICE. UM, I ALSO TALKED WITH OUR AMMUNITION DISTRIBUTOR, UH, AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA SWAP US OUT, UH, STRAIGHT FOR, FOR 40 CALIBER AMMO FOR NINE MILLIMETER AMMO. UM, THE, UH, THE GUN SHOP UP IN, UH, NEW JERSEY HAS A STATE CONTRACT ON THAT. AND, UH, I SPOKE, ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THEM YESTERDAY AND THEY'VE AGREED TO, UH, SEE WHAT OUR INVENTORY IS AND THEN REPLACE IT. BULLET FOR BULLET GOTCHA. RIGHT. FOR THAT, THAT NAME. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK . YEAH. YEAH. THEY, WE'LL SELL THOSE BACK YEAH. TO, UH, A DISTRIBUTOR. UM, THEN THEY, THEY'LL JUST PUT 'EM IN THEIR INVENTORY TO USE WEAPONS. I KNOW IN THE PAST, WE'VE ALSO GIVEN THE DEPUTY, THE, THE RIGHT, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY IT BACK AT THAT SAME PRICE FROM THE COUNTY. CAN CITIZENS, UM, BUY IN ON THAT? I DON'T THINK SO. DISTRIBUTOR. YEAH, THEY, YEAH. IT HAS TO GO BACK TO A FFL DISTRIBUTOR. UM, AND, UH, SO I DON'T THINK, I THINK WE CAN'T OPEN IT UP TO THIS CITIZENS. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, MAJOR? NOT MOVING, MOVING FORWARD. THINKING ABOUT AMMUNITION REPLACEMENT, IS NINE MILLIMETER TYPICALLY CHEAPER THAN A IT IS. NINE MILLIMETER AMMO IS CHEAPER. UM, UH, IT'S CHEAPER THAN THE 40 CALIBER AMMO, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE SEEING THAT'S HAPPENING A LOT IN VIRGINIA TOO, RIGHT ACROSS THE NATION, REALLY. IT'S ALL, ALL A LOT OF THE SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE NINE MILLIMETER, UH, UNDER THE FEDERAL AGENCIES. UH, FBI DID A BIG STUDY, SECRET SERVICE, UH, GAME COMMISSION I THINK HAS GONE TO THE NINE MILLIMETERS. IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A TREND ACROSS LAW ENFORCEMENT TO, TO TRANSITION AWAY FROM 40 FIVES, 40 CALIBERS TO TO, TO A NINE, TO THE NINE. AND THAT'S BEEN SOME, I THINK SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE, IN THE QUALITY OF THAT FIREARM. YEAH. I THINK THE LASER AND THE LIGHT TOO WILL HELP BE A WHOLE LOT SAFER. YES. THAT, THAT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO HELP. UM, AND THAT'S ONE THING WITH THE, WITH THE 40 CALIBERS THESE NIGHT SITES OR TRIGON SITES, WHICHEVER ONE WE HAD EITHER ONE ON THE DIFFERENT MODELS OF GLOCKS THAT WE'VE HAD, THEY EVENTUALLY FADE. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S WHAT, WHAT YOU HAD. AND SO YOU, YOU, WITH, WITH THAT LASER SITE, I THINK THE ONES WE GOT MAY EVEN BE SOLAR POWERED. THEY RECHARGE YOUR CELLS OR BATTERIES. UM, BUT, UH, THEY, THEY'RE, IF THAT DOT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HIT. NINE MILLIMETER LIGHTER, A LIGHTER GUN, A LIGHTER, A LIGHTER HANDGUN. AND THAT'S WHAT THE, SOME OF THE FIREARMS INSTRUCTORS TOOK. SOME OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY TOOK THE FEMALE OFFICERS AND WE HAVE MORE FEMALE DEPUTIES NOW THAN WE'VE HAD EVER HAD EVER HAD MM-HMM . UH, AND, AND WORKING WITH THEM WITH THAT, THAT WEAPON, IT SEEMED TO MAKE THEM BETTER SHOOTERS AS WELL. MM-HMM . GOOD. GOOD. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, MR. JAR? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONTRACT AS PRESENTED. I'LL HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. ROLL CALL MS. EBRA. BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY ABSTAIN. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSTAIN. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. [7.B. Contract Award, Vehicle Maintenance Services] CONTRACT AWARD VEHICLE MAINTENANCE SERVICE SAYS MR. JEAN JONES ON CM TODAY. EVERYBODY'S SITTING BACK. HUH? GENE COULDN'T MAKE IT ANY DAY, SO HE ASKED ME TO FILL IN FOR HIM. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD TO HAVE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, SO YES, REGARDING OUR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE ON WITH DWI TIRE AND ADD, UH, LEWIS GARAGE ALSO. WE HAD, UH, THEM BOTH BID KIND OF LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM AND MM-HMM . PRICES MATCHED UP. UH, VERY SIMILAR AND WE THINK THAT WE COULD MAXIMIZE OUR PRICING AND TURNAROUND TIME WITH THAT. OKAY. ANYONE, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. WELL, NO, SIR. BOTH, BOTH THE CONTRACTS ARE THE SAME. WELL, DE WITTY AND LEWIS? YES, SIR. CAUSE LIST OF PRICES. YES. THEY'RE CLOSE, CORRECT? SAY THAT AGAIN? IT SAID THEY'RE CLOSE IN PRICE. YEAH, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME PRICE, SO IT'S A MINUSCULE IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THERE'S, THERE'S A PRICE DIFFERENTIAL. DEWITT TIRE, I BELIEVE IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON, ON MOST ITEMS EXCEPT FOR A, EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE ITEMS THAN AS LONG AS THEY'RE CLOSE, THEY ARE NOT GOUGING. RIGHT? [00:35:01] NO, SIR. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY, BUT YOUR PLEASURE. I MAKE A MOTION TO BE APPROVE THE, UH, CONTRACTS AS PRESENTED. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MS. EBRA. BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. THANK YOU. PRESENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. [7.C. Secondary Street Acceptance- Turkey Run Subdivision Resolution] SECONDARY STREET ACCEPTANCE, TURKEY RUN, SUBDIVISION RESOLUTION. GOOD AFTERNOON. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UM, MY NAME IS COLE HINSON WITH VDOT. I'M THE SOUTHERN REGIONAL LAND USE ENGINEER AND THE ASSISTANT RESIDENT ADMINISTRATOR. I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE TURKEY RUN SUBDIVISION. UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL AS, UM, VDO STANDARDS AND DEVELOPER ON MAKING SURE THE PROJECT MET EVERYBODY'S CRITERIA. THE COUNTY WAS INVOLVED, THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT ALL THE OUTFALLS MADE, THEIR SURE THEY'RE ACCEPTABLE. PLANNING HAS BEEN INVOLVED. THEY'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR PUNCH LIST ITEMS, SUBMITTED THE SER REQUIRED, POSTED THE BONDS. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PAID ALL THEIR FEES READY FOR ACCEPTANCE. TODAY WE SUBMITTED A RESOLUTION TO Y'ALL FOR ACTION. HAS A 4.3 FORM LITTLE MAP IN THE BACK THAT SHOWS YOU THE STREETS WERE ACCEPTING. ONCE Y'ALL PASS THE RESOLUTION, WE GET THE SIGNED COPY, THEN WE'LL SUBMIT IT DOWNTOWN. THE STREETS WILL BE ACCEPTED INTO THE SYSTEM OF MAINTENANCE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THE MENT REPORT, I CAN ANSWER THAT TOO. WELL, I SEE SOME HAND CLAPPING OUT THERE, SO IT MUST BE A GOOD THING. . IT'S A GOOD THING. IT'S A GOOD THING. LONG TIME COMING. AMEN. YEAH. AND I GUESS MY STATEMENT, THIS HAS BEEN A SUBDIVISION THAT I REALLY LIKE. UM, I THINK THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ON IT. I THINK THE ROAD WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A BIT LAGGED BEHIND MAYBE WITH GETTING IT APPROVED, UM, AND EVERYTHING. SO I I REALLY APPRECIATE NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT DONE AND, AND UH, GONNA GET IT TAKEN INTO THE STATE SYSTEM. SO MM-HMM . IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT PROJECT SAT FOR LONG, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THE ROADS CONSTRUCTED AND CHAINED OFF. THERE WAS A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP, I BELIEVE THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT. YEAH. THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. 20, 30 YEARS AGO I GUESS. RIGHT? I WAS ON THE, CAME HERE AND IT WAS BUILT. APPROVED. THAT'S A LONG TIME. YEAH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE. FIVE WHEN IT STARTED. HUH? 2005. FIVE. YEAH. THAT'S A LONG TIME. WELL, I'M GLAD YOU TOOK CARE OF IT. AND IT'S UP AND RUNNING AND WELL, YOU HAVE TO GET THE DEVELOPER CREDIT TOO. THEY DID THEIR PART. THEY DID THEIR WORK. OKAY. SECOND ONE. SO EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE EXCITED. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING DO? HUH? I THINK YOU JUST WOULD, UM, PASS A MOTION TO, EXCEPT THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION BY MR. SOUTH HALL. OKAY. DO I SECOND ROLL CALL. I'M SORRY. I, WHO IS THE SECOND MR. DO THANK YOU MS. EBRA BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. THANK YOU MR. HENSON. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. [7.D. Appointment Of Zoning Administrator] APPOINTMENT OF A ZONING IN ADMINISTRATOR. A NEW EMPLOYEE HERE TODAY, HUH? YEAH. MUST THE BASS CAN CLAP SOME MORE . THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. SMILING TODAY. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. BOARD MEMBERS. MR. MASSING HILL. YES. IT'S AN EXCITING DAY. UM, OUR NEW, UH, ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MATTHEW CULBERTH. UM, ACTUALLY AS TAMMY AND I WERE TALKING EARLIER, MATTHEW WAS A, UH, ONE OF OUR ORIGINAL STUDENTS IN OUR MM-HMM. COURSE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. THAT'S RIGHT. MM-HMM . UM, AND HE'S ALSO BEEN A INTERN WITH US, UM, OVER THE YEARS AS WELL. MM-HMM. UM, MM-HMM . WHILE HE WENT, UH, TO RICHARD BLANC COLLEGE. AND THEN EVENTUALLY GRADUATED FROM, UH, VIRGINIA TECH WITH A, A PLANNING DEGREE FOCUS, UH, FROM VIRGINIA TECH. SO, UM, YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE ANOTHER HOKEY ON STAFF, BUT THAT, THAT'S OKAY. . NOT A BAD THING HURT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HIM. HE CAME TO US FROM EMPLOYER WHERE HE GOT A LOT OF, UH, GREAT EXPERIENCE, GENERALIZED PLANNING EXPERIENCE IN ALL AREAS OF PLANNING, GRANT MANAGEMENT AS WELL. SO THAT'S EXCITING, UM, TO ADD TO OUR STAFF AS WELL. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HIM WITH US AND, UM, APPRECIATE YOU ALL, UM, SUPPORTING US IN THE BUDGET WITH THAT. I KNOW WE HAD OUR PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MEETING LAST WEEK AND THEY WERE VERY EXCITED TO SEE MATTHEW, UH, WITH ME AT THAT MEETING AND, AND [00:40:01] INTRODUCING HIM, UH, AS, AS BEING A STAFF MEMBER AS WELL. SO, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT MANY, I MET HIM 13 YEARS AGO, BUT HIS MOTHER HOLDING HIM BY THE HAND ALMOST BEEN A LONG TIME. PRETTY MUCH. IT HAS. GOOD TO SEE YOU GROW UP AND MM-HMM . COME A PART OF DENWOOD COUNTY, SO ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. WELCOME HOME. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE APPOINTMENT OF OUR NEW ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MATTHEW CULBERT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ROLL CALL MS. EBRA BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WELCOME SO MUCH. WELCOME ON BOARD THERE, MY FRIEND. YEAH, MR. [7.E. Proposed Reorganization Of Dinwiddie County Government] MASSING GA PROPOSAL REORGANIZATION OF DENWITTY COUNTY GOVERNMENT. MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE MEMO THAT, UM, THAT I PUT TOGETHER HERE FOR YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IN, IN HINDSIGHT, RIGHT, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN IN DEWINE COUNTY SINCE 2002. WHEN I GOT HERE IN 2002, DEWINE COUNTY HAD WORKED WITH VIRGINIA TECH TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE. AND IT WORKED. IT HAS WORKED WELL THROUGHOUT MY TENURE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. UM, BUT AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW, THINGS BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX. UM, ROLES I THINK NEED TO BE BETTER DEFINED AND ULTIMATELY, UM, I THINK WE CAN BE IN A MORE OPERATING EFFICIENCY, UH, TO, TO CHANGE THE WAY WE'D GO ABOUT BUSINESS. UM, SO THE, THE RATIONALE REAL QUICKLY IS, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S BEEN OVER 20 YEARS SINCE THIS, THIS STRUCTURE HAS CHANGED. UM, I THINK WE CAN IMPROVE EFFICIENCY IN THE WAY THAT WE ALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES. UH, AND THAT, AND I, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO KIND OF, WE NEEDED TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX A LITTLE BIT, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE STRATEGICALLY IN, IN THE WAY WE GO ABOUT THE DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES. UM, AND ANOTHER POINT HERE WAS, UH, ENHANCED SERVICE DELIVERY. UH, SO WE, I REALLY, WHEN I, WHEN I WAS COMING TO THIS CONCLUSION, I WAS LOOKING AT SUCCESSION PLANNING AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I I CAME TO YOU A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND JUST TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UM, THAT WERE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE. AND, YOU KNOW, SO ONE OF YOUR, YOUR ASK OF ME WAS TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND, AND TO AGAIN, UM, COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON HOW TO DO THAT. AND SOMETIMES YOU GET BETTER EFFICIENCY BY ALIGNING, UM, SIMILAR SERVICES UNDER THE SAME FUNCTION, UH, AND TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THE SAME OBJECTIVES. AND SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BEING ACCOUNTABLE, BEING TRANSPARENT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOAL HERE IS TO, TO MAKE SERVICES BETTER. UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, WE JUST ARE MIXING THE THINGS AROUND, UH, JUST 'CAUSE WE WANT TO. WE WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BE MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE SERVE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENT IN THE WAY THAT WE DO THAT. AND I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THIS BOARD HAS BEEN BEEN BIG ON. UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE, TO THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS READY TO RETIRE. UM, WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO ADAPT IN THE FUTURE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE THERE. AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION, YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE WAY THAT WE'RE GROWING, UH, WE'RE GROWING A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN WE WERE WHEN I, THAN WE WERE LAST DECADE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT POPULATION INCREASE A LITTLE BIT. WE GOTTA BE ADAPTABLE FOR, FOR THAT FUTURE. UH, AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE, UM, OVERALL THERE, I THINK THERE'S COST SAVINGS AND SOME FINANCIAL, UM, SUSTAINABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. EVEN THOUGH YOU SEE IT'S GONNA COST US A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY UPFRONT, AND I'M GONNA EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. UM, WHEN I SAY COST SAVINGS, YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN WE GO ABOUT OUR WORK AND WE DO IT MORE EFFICIENTLY, THEN OUR PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO PUT MORE MAN HOURS, WORKING HOURS INTO THE WORK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. UM, SO THAT'S THE OLD SAYING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WORK SMARTER, NOT HARDER. AND SO JUST, JUST BY REALIGNING CERTAIN, UH, JOB FUNCTIONS, I THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT. AND THEN UNDER THE RATIONALE SECTION NUMBER SIX, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PROPER CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION IN JUNE, YOU AUTHORIZED US TO WORK WITH AUTOSOL, WHICH IS, UH, A COMPANY THAT'S DOING OUR CLASS AND COMPENSATION PLAN. AND IT'S JUST REALLY CRITICAL WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THAT CLASS AND COMP TO MAKE SURE THAT THE JOB FUNCTIONS ARE, ARE PROPERLY IDENTIFIED AND THE OVERALL STRUCTURE [00:45:01] IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN REALLY MAXIMIZE, UH, WHERE YOUR COMPENSATION SHOULD BE. AND THAT INTERNAL PARODY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT WE, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH. UM, SO ALL THAT IN MIND IS, IT WAS, IS KIND OF THE REASON AND, AND ONE I DIDN'T INCLUDE HERE, BUT I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU ALL. UM, YOU GUYS KNOW, I GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TEACH CLASSES ALL OVER THE STATE ON PROPER, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING AND HOW THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING TIES TO THE BUDGET AND HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THINGS. AND SO WE, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED A COUPLE STRATEGIC PLANS WHERE WE, WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED MOST, MOST OF IT IN 2020. THE YEAR OF PERFECT VISION, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THE PROCESS OF, OF DOING ANOTHER STRATEGIC PLAN AND COVID HIT. AND THEN SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO A STRATEGIC PLAN. I THINK THE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE WILL FREE UPPER MANAGEMENT UP A LITTLE BIT TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON STRATEGIC PLANNING. NOW THAT MAY MEAN STILL WORKING WITH SOME OTHER EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS TO GET THAT DONE, BUT UNDER THE THE PRESENT DAY STRUCTURE, IT'S JUST HARD TO GET THAT, TO GET OUT OF THE WEEDS, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLANNING. AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO SAY IF YOU DON'T ANY, ANY ROAD CAN GET YOU THERE, SO TO SPEAK. AND SO THERE'S NO TIME ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND I'M DESIROUS TO GET BACK TO THE DAY WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE QUARTER BY QUARTER PERFORMANCE AND OUR STAFF IS KNOWING WHERE THEY'RE HEADED AND WHERE THEY GO TO. SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ACCOMPLISH THIS? SO THERE'S UH, THERE'S TWO, UM, KH IF YOU COULD MAYBE PUT THE NEW ORG CHART UP AND I'M JUST GONNA WALK YOU ALL THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THIS HERE. THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. SO IN, IN GREEN IS BASICALLY NOT MUCH CHANGE OR NO CHANGE AT ALL. IN, IN YELLOW THERE'S EITHER A, THERE'S PROBABLY A TITLE CHANGE OR A RELOCATION. UM, AND THEN THE, THE PINK AREAS THAT YOU'LL SEE IS, IS FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION, IT STILL NEEDED TO BE ON YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. UM, BUT IT'S FOR FY 26 BUDGET, NOT, NOT FOR THE PRESENT DAY BUDGET. SO BACK TO THE VIRGINIA TECH REPORT, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THEY HAD MENTIONED, GOING BACK TO THAT, THAT STUDY WAS THAT DIM WITTY COUNTY WAS PROBABLY READY FOR A COUNTY ENGINEER. AND THAT WAS 2002. AND WE, WE'VE NOT HIRED A COUNTY ENGINEER SINCE THAT TIME. NOW TYPICALLY WE OUTSOURCE A LOT OF THAT WORK. UM, BUT WE'RE AT A POINT NOW THAT WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT A COUNTY ENGINEER, UM, IS PROBABLY NEEDED. AND, AND AT THAT TIME IN 2000, IT WAS ASSUMED THAT THE COUNTY ENGINEER WOULD REPORT TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, WITHOUT THE COUNTY ENGINEER. WE HAD THE, UH, WHAT WAS REFERRED TO AS AS PUBLIC WORKS REPORT TO, YOU KNOW, FINANCE AND GENERAL SERVICES. UM, AND PRESENTLY WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ADMINISTRATION GOING TO PLANNING BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT ENGINEER. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THAT CREATION OF A, A COUNTY ENGINEER POSITION. IT'LL BE UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION NEXT BUDGET SEASON. UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE INTERIM? 'CAUSE THIS, THIS IS EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST, IN THE INTERIM, THE DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES REPORTS DIRECTLY TO ME. UM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A COUNTY ENGINEER AS WELL AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADMINISTRATION, UH, THAT WILL COME TO ME AS WELL BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A, A COUNTY ENGINEER. BUT I'M GONNA START WITH THE, THE, WHAT IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO NOW IS JUST THE FINANCE DIVISION. IT WAS REFERRED TO AS FINANCE AND GENERAL SERVICES. AND AGAIN, GENERAL SERVICES GIVES YOU THE IDEA OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS AND WASTE MANAGEMENT, FLEET MANAGEMENT. BUT ONE REASON WE CHANGED IT FROM PUBLIC WORKS BACK TO THE GENERAL SERVICES IS THAT IT'S A LOT OF CONFUSION. SO I TALKED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND OPENNESS, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, HENCE SOME OF THE PHONE CALLS AND, AND EMAILS WE GET FROM VDOT WANTING TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA CUT THE GRASS. WE DON'T, WE DON'T MAINTAIN ROADS. WE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT TYPE OF WORK. UH, WE DON'T DO WATER AND SEWER, YOU KNOW, WE OUTSOURCE THAT. WE WORK THROUGH AN AUTHORITY TO GET THAT WORK DONE. UM, SO MOST JURISDICTIONS, WHEN YOU HEAR PUBLIC WORKS, YOU THINK WATER OR SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU ALSO THINK TRANSPORTATION. WE DON'T DO THAT. SO THAT, THAT'S ONE REASON. GENERAL SERVICES. SO FINANCE, YOU KNOW, THE KEY HERE PRESENTLY, YOU KNOW, THE HEAD OF FINANCE IS DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS, ANNE HOWERTON. AND, AND IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, ANNE IS ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE, UH, PEOPLE IN THE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCE BECAUSE PRESENTLY SHE SUPERVISES FUNCTIONS THAT REALLY AREN'T FINANCE. SO THE, THE GENERAL SERVICES CSA, FOR EXAMPLE, [00:50:02] NOT MANY, I THINK TWO OR THREE IN THE STATE ACTUALLY MANAGE, UM, THOSE TYPE OF, OF, UM, OTHER OFFICES. AND I THINK THAT'S NOW PROBABLY GOTTEN DOWN THAT IT'S JUST ANN OVER THE YEARS THAT'S DOING FINANCE. SO THE BEST VALUE WE HAVE IN ANNE HOWERTON AND THE REMAINDER OF HER CAREER IN EE COUNTY IS FOCUSING ON, ON THAT FINANCE FUNCTION. UH, SO IN THE FINANCE DIVISION, IT'S A NAME CHANGE. HER UH, MS TON'S TITLE WILL CHANGE FROM DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FINANCE AND GENERAL SERVICES, AGAIN TO DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF FINANCE. SO IN A CORPORATE STRUCTURE, IF YOU WERE THINKING THROUGH WHAT A CFO LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE SAME TYPE OF LOGIC HERE. MS. HOWERTON WOULD BE SOMEWHAT THE, THE CHIEF FINANCE OFFICER OR AGAIN, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF FINANCE, AGAIN UNDER, UM, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. THAT NAME IS GOING TO CHANGE. AND, AND ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT WILL CHANGE TO REFERENCE GENERAL SERVICES. AND AGAIN, THAT'S BEING RELOCATED OVER INTO THE, UNDERNEATH THAT PINK AREA TO YOUR RIGHT, THAT'S UNDER GENERAL, UH, UH, COUNTY ENGINEER. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA, UM, ALSO RESTRUCTURE THE DIRECTOR OF CHILDREN'S SERVICES. AND, YOU KNOW, OUT OF 133 JURISDICTIONS, UH, COUNTIES AND CITIES IN VIRGINIA, THE LION'S SHARE OF THOSE NEARLY 80 PLUS PERCENT FALL UNDER SOCIAL SERVICES IN DIY COUNTY. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT SEPARATE. AND EVEN YOU, YOU HAD ANGEL YOUNG GILL, THE DIRECTOR THERE, UM, COME TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT TODAY ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT. BUT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THAT BACK UNDER, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES, WE THINK, AND I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT LATER, THERE HAS A WHOLE LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE, UM, TO SYNERGIZE TO COMPLIMENT HER. I, I TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW ANGEL, YOU KNOW THE WORK THAT SHE DOES, YOU KNOW HOW COMPLICATED THIS WORK IS. HER CASELOAD HAS NOT GONE DOWN OVER THE YEARS. IT JUST CONTINUES TO GO UP AND COINCIDE. THE BUDGET GOES UP WITH IT. UM, WE NEED TO BE IN A POSITION WITH CSA THAT IT CAN BE AROUND POSITIONS THAT CAN ASSIST THAT PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT SO IT CAN OVERALL ACHIEVE SUCCESS. UM, SO MOVING CSA IS, IS A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. NOW, WHAT THIS ALSO DOES IN YOUR FINANCE DIVISION IS IN THE TIME THAT, AGAIN, ALL THIS I'M GONNA REFER TO BACK TO SUCCESSION PLANNING. SO WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IF THAT POSITION OR ANY OF THESE POSITIONS COME VACANT, UH, ESPECIALLY THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION, YOU'RE ABLE TO RECRUIT A TRUE FINANCE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. AND THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE ULTIMATE GOALS HERE THAT WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO. UM, SO THE NEXT PIECE DOWN IS ESTABLISHING THAT COUNTY ENGINEER DIVISION AGAIN. SO AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S FOR FY 26. UM, THE COUNTY ENGINEER WILL, UH, ADMINISTER THE DIMITY, UH, COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES. I JUST TALKED THROUGH WILL RETITLE ALL OF THE SUBORDINATES IN THAT YOU DON'T SEE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT I PUT IT INTO THE MEMO. UM, SO YOU'LL RETITLE THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS SUPERVISOR TO MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR. YOU'LL RETITLE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS COORDINATOR TO WASTE MANAGEMENT SUPERVISOR. YOU'LL RETITLE PARK SERVICES CREW LEADER TO GROUNDS SERVICES SUPERVISOR. AND THEN IN THAT OTHER SECOND PINK BLOCK YOU'LL SEE ESTABLISHED POSITION CUSTODIAL SERVICES SUPERVISORS. SO WHAT THIS DOES IS GIVES US FOUR SUPERVISORS IN THESE KEY SPECIFIC AREAS UNDERNEATH THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WHO, UH, MARK HARRISON WHO DID THE PRESENTATION TODAY UNDER JEAN JONES. AND SO YOU HAVE EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES BEING MANAGED BY A SUPERVISOR. UM, AND AGAIN, OVERALL THE COUNTY ENGINEER WILL, UH, SUPERVISE THESE TWO SECTIONS. SO GENERAL SERVICES AND ENVIRONMENTAL ADMINISTRATION. SO ONE THING TO THINK OF TOO, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING OF GENERAL SERVICES, THE GENERAL SERVICES DIRECTOR IS SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR CLERK OF THE WORKS. SO THE CLERK OF THE WORKS IS ANYTIME YOU HAVE NEW CAPITAL PROJECTS, YOU BUILD A NEW FIREHOUSE, YOU'RE BUILDING A, UM, REC CENTER, WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON IS THE ONE SKILLED WITH WITH UNDERSTANDING THE TRADES. SO YOU GOTTA HAVE A STRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT THE DAY-TO-DAY WORK GETS DONE. THAT'S WHY THE ASSISTANT DIRECTORS, YOUR OPERATIONS PERSON AND THEN YOU FREE YOUR, YOUR DIRECTOR UP TO REALLY BE THAT, THAT CLERK OF THE WORKS. NOW THE BEAUTY IS YOU HAVE A COUNTY ENGINEER THAT'S ALSO COMPLIMENTING THAT. SO I WILL TELL YOU, NOT THAT WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE NUMBER OF REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, RQS THAT WE PUT OUT AND, UM, I I HONESTLY BELIEVE WHEN PEOPLE KNOW, CONTRACTORS KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A COUNTY ENGINEER AND THAT WE'RE PROBABLY NOT PAYING SOMEONE TO LOOK AT, AT SOME OF THE WORK BEING DONE. I THINK SOME OF THE COSTS ARE ARE GOING UP ON THAT. ALSO, I'M, I'M OPTIMISTIC YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT IT AT BUDGET TIME. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VOLUME OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING [00:55:01] NOW FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES BETWEEN THREE ENTITIES, THE COUNTY, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND NOW THE DENEE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY DOESN'T HAVE AN ENGINEER ON STAFF. THEY, THEY HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO HAS A VERY STRONG FINANCIAL BACKGROUND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENGINEERING. AND SO I, I REALLY DO THINK THAT ENGINEERING DIVISION IS PROBABLY NEEDED AT THIS TIME FOR US TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE GO DOWN TO THE, OR OVER TO THE, THE FAR LEFT HAND SIDE AS THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR OPERATIONS. NOW PREVIOUSLY THIS WAS THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A MOUTHFUL. SO AGAIN, YOU'RE THINKING FINANCE AND I'M THINKING OPERATIONS. AND SO UNDER OPERATIONS YOU HAVE SOME KEY CATEGORIES. ONE, WE UPGRADED THE POSITION OF TITLE CHANGE, UM, FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECT TO CREATING A POSITION OF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS FORMALLY REFERRED TO AS THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, WHICH IS HAPPENS TO BE MORGAN INGRAM, WILL OVERSEE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM, WHICH IS A TITLE CHANGE, GIS, ANALYST AND DATA ANALYST. SO THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS, IT'S ONE STOP SHOP. SO AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S SPEED TO THE MARKET, MAKING SURE THAT WE ADDRESS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE A PRETTY HIGH HOPES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT NOT JUST THAT YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, YOUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS OFFICE, UH, ALL HAVE TO BE WORKING IN CONCERT WITH ONE ANOTHER. YOU KNOW, HAVING ONE PERSON IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THAT, UM, I THINK IS GONNA STREAMLINE OUR OPERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO THE SECOND YELLOW BLOCK YOU SEE UNDER THAT CATEGORY IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM. SO STACEY ENGLISH, WHO, UH, WAS IN YOUR PREVIOUS MARKETING POSITION, IS BEING MOVED INTO THIS PARTICULAR POSITION THAT'S THERE. UH, THE FUNDS THAT WERE IN THAT POSITION IS BEING MOVED, UM, UPWARDLY INTO, TO PAYING FOR THIS POSITION. AND WE DON'T HAVE AN FY 25, ANY EXPECTATION TO FILL THAT POSITION FOR THIS YEAR. WE'RE CREATE, WE'RE KEEPING THE POSITION JUST NOT NECESSARILY HAVING, HAVING FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. UM, THE OTHER PIECE HERE IS, UM, YOU'LL SEE PARKS AND RECREATION REPORTS DIRECTLY TO OPERATIONS AND WE HAVE CORNELL HENDERSON, WHO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT, BUT CORNELL IS A DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC, UH, WILL FALL, UM, AS A DIRECTOR THAT REPORTS TO OPERATIONS ALSO IN OPERATIONS OF SOCIAL SERVICES. PREVIOUSLY SOCIAL SERVICES REPORTED TO ME, I WILL STILL REMAIN THE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD CHAIR. UM, BUT WE'RE DELEGATING DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES TO MS. COLLINS, UM, TO OVERSEE SOCIAL SERVICES. WE TALKED ABOUT C-S-A-C-S-A WORKS WELL WITH SOCIAL SERVICES. THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP THAT'S, IN MANY CASES A LOT OF THE SAME CHILDREN ARE INVOLVED, UM, WHETHER IT'S FOSTER CARE OR OTHER, OTHER YOUTH. UM, SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA, UH, WORK OUT WELL. UM, BEFORE I LEAVE THIS PARTICULAR AREA, I WANTED TO TELL YOU ALSO, THERE'S A FINANCE FUNCTION WITH CSA, UH, MS. HOWTON SERVES AS, AS MY REPRESENTATIVE TO CPMT. WE LOOK FOR THAT TO STAY IN PLACE. UH, WE'VE TALKED MS HOW, UH, MS. HOWERTON, MS. COLLINS AND MYSELF HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, ANN'S CREATED SOME, SOME VERY GOOD FINANCIAL POLICIES AND PRACTICES AROUND CSA. AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S AGAIN, THE FOCUS AND THE GOOD THING OF HAVING MS. HAMILTON FOCUS ON, ON FINANCE. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE CHANGES THAT I'M, I'M PROPOSING AT THIS TIME, THE FISCAL IMPACT OF THIS, IF YOU WERE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE, ARE OVERSEEING GREATER OPERATIONS. AND, AND AGAIN, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE NO ONE SHOULD EVER SUPERVISE SOMEONE THAT IS MAKING MORE THAN THEM. SO WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND, AND SO TO THE OVERALL COMPENSATION OF A FEW EMPLOYEES, THAT'S AN A $42,000 INCREASE IN THE FY 25 BUDGET. NOW, ONE THING I DIDN'T INCLUDE, BUT I TALKED, UM, TO DONNA, UH, HARRISON AND SOCIAL SERVICES, AND WE, WE STARTED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE STATE. SO, AGAIN, I JUST MENTIONED TO YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF CSAS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, UM, ARE CHILDREN'S SERVICES, REPORTS TO SOCIAL SERVICES AND ARE THEREFORE SUPPORTED BY THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS REORGANIZATION, ONCE WE BENCHMARK IT TO THE STATE, THE STATE WILL REIMBURSE THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S IN THE SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT. SO WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE. I'M HOPEFUL THAT ALL THE $42,000 INCREASE COULD BE OFFSET BY THE STATE, UH, REIMBURSING US, WHICH AGAIN, IS A [01:00:01] SMARTER WAY. SO I'M TALKING ABOUT FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY. THIS IS A WAY TO GET THERE, RIGHT? SO, UM, THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD, WOULD BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. UM, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IN CONCLUSION, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS IN, IN THE BETTER STRUCTURE FOR THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT. I REALLY DO THINK IT'S NECESSARY AT THIS TIME. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM MY POSITION THAT I CAN SEE THAT WE'VE CLEARLY GOT A FAN, A FINANCE FOCUS. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE HAVE AN OPERATIONAL FOCUS, UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK IN CLOSED SESSION ABOUT MY CONSIDERATION FOR A NEW CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMS, UH, IN THAT FIRE AND EMS DIVISION. I'M GONNA NEED TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME IN THE NEXT 12, 24 MONTHS OR SO. UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL POSITIONS IN THAT, THAT, UH, FIRE AND EMS SECTION THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE. AND SO THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME SPECIFIC TURNOVER IN, UM, IN FIRE AND EMS. SO A LOT OF MY TIME POTENTIALLY WILL BE, BE SPENT IN THAT AREA TOO. AND AGAIN, THE POTENTIAL OF A COUNTY ENGINEER PUTTING ALL THAT INFORMA ALL THAT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING HUMAN RESOURCES AT THIS TIME. YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE SOME, SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO, UM, MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENT TO THAT. AND FY 26 BUDGET. AND THEN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S STRUCTURE STAYS THE SAME. SO I SAY ALL THAT TO TO, TO TELL YOU MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU APPROVE THIS. UH, WE HAVE INTERNALLY MADE SOME CHANGES TO GENERAL SERVICES AND TO ENVIRONMENTAL ADMINISTRATION BACK EARLY JULY. UH, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE HAVING MEETINGS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. I HAVE EVERYONE AFFECTED BY THIS RESTRUCTURE I HAVE PERSONALLY TALKED TO. AND, UM, ALL THE INDIVIDUALS I'VE TALKED TO HAVE, HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR, UM, THEIR DESIRE TO, TO MOVE TO THIS FORMAT. AND THEY THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AS WELL. UM, SO THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY OPPOSITION TO THE INDIVIDUALS I'VE SPOKEN WITH AND EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS AS, AS I'VE TALKED TO PERSONALLY, EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY TO THAT. UH, ONE OTHER REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE, 'CAUSE I KNOW ONE THING THE BOARD HAD ASKED ME SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WAS, UM, IF I'M PICKING UP MORE RESPONSIBILITIES, HOW DO I TAKE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES? AND ONE OF 'EM, I, I MISSED TWO OTHERS. I I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT GRANTS AND COMMUNITY INFORMATION COORDINATOR. SO, YOU KNOW, MY LOVE FOR PUBLIC RELATIONS, I'VE TOLD MARIE SHE'S NOT GONNA COMPLETELY GET RID OF ME. UM, 'CAUSE IT'S STILL, THE ADMINISTRATION IS STILL THE COUNTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC RELATIONS AND, AND GRANTS TO SUPPORT OUR OPERATIONS REALLY SHOULD FALL UNDER OPERATIONS. AND SO, UM, I'VE SAT DOWN WITH MARIE AND WE'RE MOVING MARIE UNDER OPERATIONS, AND THEN I DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE DETAIL, BUT THE WORKFORCE MANAGER POSITION THAT WE HAVE PRESENTLY STILL FALLS UNDER, UNDER OPERATIONS THERE. UM, SO THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT FROM YOU ALL'S PERSPECTIVE, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT FROM OPERATIONS, IT'S EVERYTHING. BUT FINANCE, FIRE AND EMS, COUNTY ENGINEERING AND HUMAN RESOURCES, THAT, THAT COMES TO ME. UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE FUNCTIONALITY OF, OF HOW THIS NEW ORG CHART WOULD WORK. UM, I'VE SAID A WHOLE LOT. IT'S A FOUR OR FIVE PAGE MEMO. UH, HOPEFULLY YOU KIND OF WENT THROUGH IT YOURSELF. I KNOW YOU ALL BEHIND THE SCENES HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN HELPING ME WORK THROUGH THIS. UH, LAST YEAR'S, UH, EVALUATION WE TALKED ABOUT, FOR ME, SUCCESSION PLANNING. I REALLY DO THINK THIS TIME WHEN WE MET OVER MY EVALUATION, THIS GETS US SUCCESSION PLANNING. AND I THINK IT, IT GETS US TO THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WHEN YOU DO HAVE VACANCIES, THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO RECRUIT IT TO THE MARKET. WHAT YOU'RE REALLY GONNA FIND REPLACEMENT VALUE TO END OF DATE, NOT A, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SIZE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE TO COME IN ALMOST BUDGET NEUTRAL AT THIS, I THINK IS, IS A BIG DEAL. UM, AND I THINK ONCE THIS FULLY GETS IMPLEMENTED, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A WHOLE LOT MORE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY. UM, AND AGAIN, I INHERITED THE OLD, OLD STRUCTURE AND LOVED IT. UM, I THINK IT'S WORKED WELL. I THINK IT'S, IT'S DONE WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO, BUT I THINK THIS, THIS PUTS US HEADED IT TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE MOVING FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING I DIDN'T RESPOND TO THAT YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT OR QUESTIONS? I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND, UH, WE WERE IN CLOSED SESSION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH IT. SO YOU EXPLAINED, I MEAN, YOU DID A GREAT JOB TODAY, BUT MM-HMM . THAT. SO THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU WERE GOING, EVEN THOUGH THE CENSUS SAYS WE'RE NOT GROWING, WE ARE GROWING , I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT YEAH, YOUR, YOUR NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS ARE NOT GOING DOWN. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING UP. SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S TRUE. AND I THINK THE GOOD PART FOR YOU, AS YOU'VE STILL GOT GOOD PEOPLE, UM, TO PUT IN THESE POSITIONS TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN AND, AND, UM, KIND OF LET THEM DO, DO THEIR OWN THING TOO. SO MM-HMM . OKAY. BLESSED. [01:05:01] ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR NOT? WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, MR. CHAIRMAN? I JUST NEED A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED UNLESS THERE'S ANY CHANGES. ALSO MOVED. SECOND FINISH. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. ALRIGHT, ROLL CALL MS. EBRA. BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE, JOB. THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT'S A LOT. THERE'S A LOT. OKAY. CITIZEN'S COMMENT, PERIOD. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP. OH, WOW. CAR BREAKING ADMINISTRATORS. [9. COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR COMMENTS] I'LL TAKE SOME OF THAT OTHER TIME. UM, YEAH, I FIRST LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WEEKEND, REALLY A TRAGIC SITUATION, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FAMILY WORKING THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND DOROTHY WALLACE. YES. WHO WAS THE 100 1-YEAR-OLD THAT THAT WENT MISSING? YEAH. AND I, I KNOW WE GOT A COUPLE OF OUR, OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE HERE TODAY, MANAGEMENT, UM, AND, AND I KNOW THIS WAS PROBABLY A GROUP EFFORT, YOU KNOW, STATE POLICE WAS INVOLVED AND SOME OF THE OTHERS AS WELL. BUT, YOU KNOW, LION'S SHARE OF THIS FALLS, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE COMMUNITY. AND WE HAD VOLUNTEERS, HAD HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF COME OUT. UM, THANK GOODNESS WE, WE FOUND THE VEHICLE WHEN WE DID. UNFORTUNATELY, UH, MS. WALLACE WAS DECEASED, BUT, UM, ANNIE BERGER, I, I BELIEVE IS THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL IN THE CAR. AND I, I JUST HAPPEN TO THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, IT'S, IT'S REALLY YOUR TRAINING KICKS IN, BUT THE SWIFT RESPONSE AND, UH, PEOPLE THAT THAT REALLY JUST WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND AND JUST, JUST WHEN I SAW, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH THERE TODAY OF OUR DEPUTIES, I WANTED TO THANK Y'ALL PERSONALLY FOR, FOR WHAT YOU DID. I KNOW Y'ALL WERE VERY MUCH A PART OF THAT. UM, I MENTIONED EARLIER, NEL, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT MATTHEW, UM, QUINN'S NOT A, NOT A, UM, UNKNOWN FACE TO YOU ALL, BUT I ASKED TAMMY JUST TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND WITH, WITH QUINNELL AND IN A, I DIDN'T REALIZE, I MEAN, I KNEW YOU WERE A NATIVE OF DE WITTY QUINNELL, WHICH THAT'S ALWAYS PRETTY HIGH, UM, ON THE, ON THE LIST OF THINGS. BUT A 2011 GRADUATE OF, OF DEY HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE WHEN I STARTED HERE IN 2002. SO I, I DON'T EVEN WANNA THINK ABOUT WHAT GRADE YOU WERE IN AT THE TIME. BUT HE, HE EARNED A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM VIRGINIA STATE UNIVERSITY IN MASS COMMUNICATIONS, UH, AND RECREATION IN, IN 2015. UH, AND HAD WORKED, UH, IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT CAPACITIES FOR US. HE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, INITIALLY, I BELIEVE SEVEN YEARS THERE IN ATHLETICS, UM, AS A REC AND THEN ATHLETICS RECREATION MANAGER, AND THEN GOT PROMOTED INTO THE, THE YOUTH WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER POSITION. THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE YOU ALL REMEMBER HIM LAST. UM, AND THEN HE SAT THAT THE GRASS WAS A LITTLE BIT GREENER OVER IN PETERSBURG, AND THAT WAS OKAY TOO. UM, BUT I WAS CALLED THE CITY MANAGER IN PETERSBURG AND, AND GLOATED ON THE FACT WHEN HE DECIDED TO COME BACK TO DENWOODY AS THE NEXT PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR . UM, I KNEW EVENTUALLY YOU'D COME BACK HOME, BUT, YOU KNOW, CORNELL, WE'RE SO GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE. UM, AGAIN, NO INTRODUCTION PROBABLY NEEDED FROM THIS BOARD. UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE, THE VALUE OF OF SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THE COMMUNITY AND, AND IT'S A, AND AGAIN, WE'VE GOT EMPLOYEES THAT, THAT DON'T LIVE HERE, AND THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE. THEY, THEY PUT IN A GREAT DAY'S WORK AND EFFORT. UM, BUT I, I GET ASKED SOMETIMES FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS, HOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN YOUR LEADERSHIP POSITIONS OR, OR, OR ARE LIVING IN YOUR COMMUNITY OR FROM YOUR COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE ALWAYS AMAZED WHEN WE START GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE STATISTICS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE HERE THAT, THAT, THAT EITHER GREW UP HERE OR WORK OR LIVE HERE NOW. UM, AND AGAIN, CORNELL, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA DO, UM, PHENOMENAL WORK. WE, WE TALKED ABOUT MATTHEW EARLIER. UM, I WILL TELL YOU WHEN, WHEN MATTHEW CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF VIRGINIA TECH, WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPENING, BUT THE CITY OF EMPORIA DID. AND SO, UH, WILLIAM JOHNSON, WHO'S THE CITY MANAGER THERE, YOU KNOW, HAD, HAD TO PUT A PLEA OUT TO COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS. PLANNING IS A VERY HARD POSITION TO FIND ANYBODY IN. AND SO I SAID, WELL, LOOK, I'VE, I'VE GOT THIS YOUNG MAN THAT, THAT I THINK WOULD DO YOU A GOOD JOB. HE ENDS UP GOING TO EMPORIA, BECOMES PLANNING DIRECTOR THERE. SO I MEAN, HE, HE HAD WORKED HIMSELF UP TO THE POSITION AT A VERY YOUNG AGE. UM, BUT WHEN THIS OPPORTUNITY CAME FOR HIM TO COME HOME, UM, OF COURSE HE JUMPED ON IT TOO. I DON'T KNOW, WILLIAM JOHNSON HAS FORGIVEN ME YET THAT HE'S COME BACK. BUT HE, YOU KNOW, HE, HE SPEAKS SO HIGHLY OF MATTHEW TOO. UM, AND I KNOW HE'S GONNA DO SOME PHENOMENAL WORK. AND AS IT WAS SAID EARLIER, BOTH CORNELL AND MATTHEW ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, [01:10:01] WE'RE PART OF OUR, OUR, UM, COUNTY'S YOUTH WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. SO, YOU KNOW, WE GET ASKED SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WHY DO YOU DO THESE PROGRAMS? AND, AND AGAIN, WHETHER YOU DECIDE TO COME BACK TO WORK FOR US OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU A BETTER FEEL AND UNDERSTANDING OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. BUT JUST EVERY NOW AND THEN, WE KIND OF FIND THOSE DIAMONDS IN THE ROUGH AND THEM TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND NOT JUST COME BACK. I MEAN, THEY'RE COMING BACK IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY PROVING THAT, THAT THIS IS, THESE PROGRAMS ARE, ARE WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, AND THEY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PRODUCTIVE. UM, I KNOW ALL OF US ATTENDED THE, THE VACO SUMMIT LAST WEEK. UM, YOU KNOW, I I REALLY DO KIND OF ANTICIPATE, AND IT'S NO SHOCKER HERE TO EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK THE STATE, THE NATION IS PROBABLY MORE DIVIDED NOW THAN I'VE EVER SEEN. AND IT'S A PRETTY DEEP DIVIDE. UM, LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVES ARE GONNA BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THIS YEAR. UM, OF COURSE WE HAVE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT A GREATER FOCUS, AND MARIE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AGAIN, WE STARTED TO KINDA PUT MARIE MORE INTO A LEGISLATIVE, UH, LIAISON POSITION FOR US. UM, BUT I I, I REALLY DO THINK THAT WE GOTTA BE VERY SPECIFIC AND IT'S NOT GOOD ANYMORE THAT WE JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT VACO'S PLATFORMS ARE. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL FOR OUR STATE LEGISLATURE TO HEAR THAT. UM, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE IT PERSONAL. WE, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL PUT SOMETHING CASEY DOOLEY TOLD ME, WELL, AT THE CONFERENCE, AND I, I THOUGHT IT WAS SPOT ON. WE, WE HAD STATE LEGISLATORS FROM ALL OVER THE COMMONWEALTH TALK, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT TALKING ABOUT STATE ISSUES. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. AND, AND MR. DOOLEY'S RESPONSE WAS, AT WHAT POINT DID THE STATE OFFICIALS START TALKING ABOUT THEIR ISSUES? , IT'S NOT JUST YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT IT ON THE LOCAL LEVEL. WHEN DOES THE STATE GOVERNMENT COME IN AND TALK ABOUT IT? AND I THINK SOME OF THE DISCONNECT THERE IS SOMETIMES LOCAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T PUT IT IN THOSE TERMS, WHERE OUR STATE DELEGATES AND SENATORS UNDERSTAND, HEY, THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO DENWOOD. I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UNFUNDED MANDATES, BUT MS. HALTON PROBABLY CAN GIVE YOU A LIST, UM, OF THOSE TO, TO INCLUDE THE ONE SHOCKER LAST WEEK WHEN WE GET A CALL FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH THAT SAYS THAT THEY NO LONGER CAN PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR STATE EMPLOYEES AND THEREFORE WANTED TO KNOW IF THE COUNTY WOULD BE WILLING TO ALLOW OUR VEHICLES TO BE USED FOR STATE EMPLOYEES. UM, OF COURSE, MY IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO THAT, AND SO IS MS. HOWERTON, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DID LOAN A COUNTY VEHICLE TO A STATE EMPLOYEE AND THEY GET INTO AN ACCIDENT, OR THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT OUR EMPLOYEES. IT WOULD BE LIKE THE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE CALLING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SAYING, HEY GUYS, MY BLUE AND GRAY BROKE DOWN. CAN I DRIVE YOUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTY VEHICLE? UM, AND OH, BY THE WAY, IF I DON'T, THEN THE SERVICE THAT'S GONNA BE RENDERED MAY GET DELAYED, MAY NOT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY STORIES THAT EITHER DR. WESTON COULD TELL YOU ON THE EDUCATION SIDE AND THEN US ON, ON THE COUNTY SIDE. I MEAN, WE'RE SETTING, I TOLD ANN TODAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING ON A $1.6 BILLION SURPLUS AT THE STATE, AND, YOU KNOW, OUTPERFORMING REVENUE PROJECTIONS. AND WE'RE TAKING VEHICLES AWAY FROM FIELD OFFICIALS THAT ARE DELAYING HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE INSPECTIONS AT OUR RESTAURANTS, NOT ABLE TO DO, UH, PERK TESTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL ADMINIS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, INSPECTIONS FOR NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION. UM, WE GET FOOD TRUCKS ALL OVER THE COUNTY. THEY CAN'T BE INSPECTED. SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF ISSUES. I THINK WE JUST GOTTA MAKE IT RELATIVE, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN WE DON'T GET PHONE CALLS, LIKE WHEN, HI, DAVIS SHUTS DOWN, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION NOW. WE'VE GOTTEN THE APOLOGY AND, AND WE APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE, UM, FROM THE STATE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COMMISSIONER, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, THIS IS PARTNERSHIPS, THIS IS RELATIONSHIPS. AND I KNOW THIS BOARD IS KNOWN STATEWIDE FOR THAT. AND THE EXPECTATION, AGAIN, SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS, A COMPLIMENT, UM, PUBLICLY RECOGNIZED MARIE FOR SAYING, LOOK, IN THIS NEW CAPACITY, I'M GONNA GO OUT AND PERSONALLY MEET ALL THE LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS REPS FOR EACH ONE OF THE DELEGATES AND SENATOR'S OFFICE. CAN I DO THAT? AND I'M LIKE, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHEN THEY'RE ON THE HOUSE FLOOR OR THEY'RE ON THE SENATE FLOOR, I WANT THEM TO CALL MARIE OR ME OR TYLER AND SAY, HEY, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOUR JURISDICTION? AND SO, AGAIN, I I I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, THAT TO YOU TODAY. UM, SEPTEMBER AND [01:15:01] SEPTEMBER, UH, OUR WORKSHOP FOCUS, AGAIN, KIND OF TALKING ABOUT MARIE, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS FROM A PUBLIC RELATIONS STANDPOINT TO RECOGNIZE MORE CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND YESTERDAY, MS. GRANT, UH, MS. COLLINS AND I SAT DOWN AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY WIDE, HOW TO RECOGNIZE INDIVIDUALS, BUT BY DISTRICT. AND SO WE'RE EXCITED. AND IN THAT SEPTEMBER WORKSHOP, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SHARE SOME IDEAS WITH YOU. WE GOT A COUPLE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, BUT I WANT YOU TO START THINKING, THINKING A LITTLE BIT, UM, ABOUT THAT. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, I WANTED TO TELL YOU, I TALKED TO LORI STEVENS ALMOST DAILY, BUT, UM, LORI WAS AT A CONFERENCE IN ROANOKE TODAY. I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO HER BRIEFLY. UM, BUT AS I TALK ABOUT THE REASSESSMENT, MADE ME THINK ABOUT THE REASSESSMENT AND, AND WHERE WE ARE AT SALES RATIO IS STILL THE SAME, SO IT'S NOT GOING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. SO, WHICH TELLS YOU THAT HOME VALUES ARE STILL STAYING STRONG. UH, SO WE'RE ALMOST COMPLETE THE FIELD WORK FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S GETTING COMPLETED AT THE POINT. REMEMBER, UH, GARY EES WILL COME BACK AND REEVALUATE THE MARKET DATA ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. UM, BUT I, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THAT NUMBER'S NOT GOING UP. IT'S STILL STILL STAYING DOWN. IT'S IN THE, IN THAT LOW SIXTIES SALES RATIO. SO IT SHOWS YOU, AGAIN, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE. AS FAR AS I SAID, OPPORTUNITY, IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A, A HUGE INCREASE THERE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THAT THE BEST THAT WE CAN. UM, YESTERDAY I RECEIVED AN EMAIL, MR. CHAVIS, MR. DOOLEY IS A BACKUP TO MEHERON RIVER REGIONAL JAIL AUTHORITY. UM, SO OUR, OUR INCREASE, AND AGAIN, FOR THE END OF THE FY 24, THERE'S A TRUE UP PROCESS. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE'RE USING A LOT MORE OF THE JAIL, IT'S JUST THAT MECKLENBURG AND BRUNSWICK ARE GOING DOWN. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SAY IT'S BECAUSE OF THE MAGISTRATES. IT'S, IT'S HARD. UM, DON'T KNOW. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE, UH, IN OVERALL PERCENTAGE, 'CAUSE WE WENT FROM, SO AGAIN, YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS THAT MUCH OF A DEAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE CALCULATED ABOUT 21.9%. UM, AND TECHNICALLY WE'RE PAYING FOR 27%. SO WHEN IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A WHOLE LOT, BUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT'S ALREADY COMPLETE. IT'S A $425,398 75 CENT INCREASE. AND SO, LUCKILY, BETWEEN, UM, HAVING YEARS THAT WE HAD BETTER BALANCES ON THE BOOKS, WE HAD $279,000 ON THE BOOKS. SO THAT LEFT A DEFICIT OF 152,000, UH, THAT THE COUNTY WILL HAVE TO PAY. NOW, FORTUNATELY, WE BUDGETED THE, UM, THE, THE, THE INCREASED NUMBER, NOT THE, THE NUMBER THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE LAST YEAR. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, ABLE TO COVER IT. BUT THE MESSAGE I WANNA SEND FOR NEXT YEAR, THE TRUE UP, THE NUMBER ON THE BOOKS THAT WE HAVE, THERE IS ZERO. SO WE, BILL WILL TELL YOU, WE STARTED OFF WITH ABOUT NINE, 800,000 ON THE BOOKS. SO OVER THE LAST THREE, FOUR YEARS, WE'VE GOTTEN THAT NOW DOWN TO ZERO. SO WITHOUT ANY MONEY ON THE BOOKS, IF, IF WE DON'T GET THIS UNDER SOME TYPE OF CONTROL OR SOME TREND CHANGE, THEN, UM, NEXT YEAR, THAT'S GONNA BE A, A, A BIG INCREASE FOR YOU. SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ALONG. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, I'M JUST GONNA PASS OUT MM-HMM . TO YOU. UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF QUICKLY AT THIS MEETING, WALK YOU THROUGH, HERE'S A COUPLE MORE, BUT THAT CAN GO TO TYLER AND MS. TON. UM, THIS DOCUMENT. SO THIS, THIS DOCUMENT JUST KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS MEETINGS. AND I JUST WANNA, REAL QUICKLY, I'M NOT GONNA PROBABLY HIT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, BUT WHEN YOU BECOME A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOU REMEMBER LIKE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT REALLY IS THERE TO DO EVERY MONTH, RIGHT? OTHER THAN GO TO BOARD MEETINGS. UM, SO I JUST WANNA LIST THE END OF THIS MONTH, UH, CHAIRMAN CHAVIS AND I HAVE A, A CRATER MAYORS AND CHAIRS AND CHIEF ADVISORY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS DINNER. THAT'S ON THE 26TH OF AUGUST. UM, AT MY NEXT MEETING WITH, WITH, UM, AARON FRENCH AND THE VDOT STAFF IS GONNA BE ON AUGUST 27TH. IF YOU'VE GOT ANY, UH, MAINTENANCE ISSUES THERE, THINGS THAT YOU WISH ME TO BRING UP THAT MEETING, GET IT TO KAISHA AND I, AND, UH, WE'LL GET IT SAID TO THEM. AUGUST 29TH, UM, FROM FOUR TO 6:00 PM IS OUR ANNUAL PASTOR'S ENGAGEMENT MEETING. UH, SO THAT'S GONNA BE AT EAST SIDE COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT CENTER, AND THAT'S PART OF THE DEY COUNTY FAITH BASED INITIATIVE. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE THESE ON YOUR CALENDAR. UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND, YOU KNOW, BOARD [01:20:01] MEMBERS ARE WELCOME TO COME TO THAT AS WELL. MONDAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO SEPTEMBER. NOW, UH, IN SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 2ND, WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSED FOR LABOR DAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, WE HAVE THAT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORKSHOP, SEPTEMBER 4TH. UM, WE HAVE THE VIRGINIA'S GATEWAY REGION IS HAVING THEIR METRA LEGISLATOR EVENT AT THE TRACTOR MUSEUM, AND THAT'S FROM THREE TO FIVE. AND TALKING, UM, TO KEITH BOSWELL, UH, FROM TWO 30 TO THREE O'CLOCK IS JUST LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO IF YET, 30 MINUTES BEFORE, AND THEY'VE GOTTEN A PRETTY GOOD RESPONSE TIME. THIS IS THE WHOLE REGION'S, UM, STATE AND, AND, AND, UM, SENATE AND HOUSE MEMBERS. SEPTEMBER 9TH, WE HAVE OUR FIRST TOWN HALL MEETING OF A SERIES OF TOWN HALL MEETINGS. THAT'S, UM, DISTRICT ONE SUPERVISOR DOOLEY, AND THAT'S GONNA BE AT MIDWAY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FROM SIX TO SEVEN 30 SEPTEMBER 12TH. UM, I HAVE A V COURT BOARD OF, UM, DIRECTORS MEETING ON THE 12TH AND THE 13TH. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE THAT FOR YOUR CALENDAR. ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, WE GO BACK TO TOWN HALL MEETINGS, DISTRICT THREE, CHAIRMAN CHAVIS 6 7 30 AT RICHARD BLAND COLLEGE. UH, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17TH WILL BE YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING. UH, SEPTEMBER 19TH WILL BE, UH, MS. EVAN BONNER'S, UH, TOWN HALL MEETING AT INE. UH, AND THEY GOT SIX TO SEVEN 30 SEPTEMBER 23RD, WE HAVE SUPERVISOR LEE, HIS TOWN HALL MEETING AT THE RAGSDALE COMMUNITY CENTER. WE GO BACK TO ANOTHER COORDINATION MEETING WITH VDOT. I WANT YOU TO HAVE THAT ON YOUR SCHEDULE. UM, SEPTEMBER 26TH, WE HAVE DISTRICT TWO. UH, THAT'S SUPERVISOR MOORE, UH, AT SOUTHERN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, OCTOBER, WE GET TO OCTOBER 1ST IS THE EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION PICNIC. AND, AND AFTER THAT, YOU HAVE YOUR WORKSHOP MEETING, UM, WEDNESDAY ON OCTOBER 2ND, UH, SOUTHSIDE ELECTRIC CORPORATION CO-OP IS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING THEIR OWN LEGISLATIVE DAY, AND THEY'VE INVITED ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I'VE TALKED TO THEIR, THEIR PRESIDENT AND THEIR LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS. THEY'VE NEVER DONE THIS. THIS IS THEIR FIRST TIME DOING IT. THIS IS A, A 9:00 AM TO 3:00 PM ALL DAY EVENT. AND, UM, THEY'VE GOT SOME PRETTY HEAVY HITTERS LEGISLATIVE, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE. UH, ALL BOARD MEMBERS ARE INVITED. JUST NEED TO LET ME OR KAISHA KNOW IF YOU PLAN ON ATTENDING SO WE CAN LET THEM KNOW. UM, MONDAY, OCTOBER 7TH TO TO FRIDAY, OCTOBER 11TH. DON'T CALL ANNE HAMILTON . SHE'S GONNA BE WORKING ON THE AUDIT. THE AUDITORS WILL BE HERE, UH, DURING, DURING THAT TIME, UM, OCTOBER 9TH, WHICH IS A WEDNESDAY, YOU KNOW, I SERVE ON THE RICHARD BLAND FOUNDATION. UH, SO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THERE IS HAVING A STRATEGIC PLAN. I, I'LL BE THERE ALL DAY. UH, OCTOBER 14TH, WHICH IS A MONDAY. WE'LL BE CLOSED FOR COLUMBUS DAY. AND THEN, UH, THE 15TH IS YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING. NOW, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE. LAST TIME WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING YOUR BOARD ADVANCE THE FALL ADVANCE AFTER THE BOARD MEETING. UM, WE'VE BEEN INVITED TO THE, UM, PRESIDENT BILL FIGGS INAUGURATION, UM, AT BRIGHT POINT AND THE MIDLOTHIAN CAMPUS. AND ONE OF THE PUSHES THIS YEAR IS TO HAVE AS MANY OF THE LOCALITIES THERE AS POSSIBLE. UM, SO IF WE CAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE ADVANCE, UM, TO THE, TO THE NEXT WEEK. SO YOU'LL SEE, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT VDOT MEETING, BUT, UH, OCTOBER 23RD AND TO OCTOBER 25TH, THAT WILL BE YOUR, UM, FALL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADVANCE. SO I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THAT. IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THOSE THREE DATES DON'T WORK, WE NEED TO KNOW IT PRETTY QUICK. UM, ON THAT ADVANCE, THAT'LL BE THURSDAY, MIKE. YEAH, IT, IT'S, UM, THAT'S THE, THE TIME FOR THAT. I HAD A DEACONS MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND THERE WAS A DATE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US OF SEPTEMBER THE 29TH OF THE FAITH BASE COMMUNITY SERVICE AT 3:00 PM AT OLIVE BRANCH IS, AND I DIDN'T PUT THAT DOWN. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. YEP. IT'S THE 29TH OLIVE BRANCH. THREE O'CLOCK. THREE O'CLOCK, YEAH. UM, SO WE'LL ADD THAT TO, THAT'S THE 29TH. 29TH. THAT'S THE SUNDAY. FIFTH SUNDAY. FIFTH SUNDAY, YEP. AT THREE O'CLOCK. YEAH. THIS IS THE ONE, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST ONE WE HAD AT WEST INN. YES. AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS AT WESTERN HEIGHTS. SO THIS WAS THE THIRD, THIRD YEAR OF ONE COMMUNITY CHURCH SERVICE. YEP. WE HAD A YOUR CHURCH TOO, DIDN'T WE? HMM? YOUR CHURCH? YEAH, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ONE. OH, OKAY. GOTCHA. THAT WAS DENWOODY CHURCH UNITED. OKAY. AND THEN COUNTY FAIR IS, AND I'LL PUT THAT DOWN HERE TOO, BUT OCTOBER 4TH, SIXTH, YEAH. [01:25:01] SO IT'S A LOT. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THE LAST FEW, UM, FEW MONTHS OF THE YEAR. YEAH. THAT ONE TASTE LIKE 120 DAYS TO CHRISTMAS. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, WE ARE BUSY. EVERYBODY WILL BE BUSY. YOU'LL WAKE UP AND IT'LL BE CHRISTMAS AND, AND JUST, MR. CHAIRMAN, LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THE, UM, I TALKED TO DR. WESTON TODAY. UNRELATED TO SCHOOL WAS ANOTHER ISSUE. BUT, UM, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THE SUMMER'S. THIS, THIS FAR ALREADY GONE BY. IT'S ALMOST OVER. AND ALL THE KIDS CAME BACK TODAY. AND I JUST HOPE THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS A, A GOOD SAFE SCHOOL YEAR. UH, I THOUGHT WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING WITH LAST WEEK, AND JASON EZ SPOKE, UM, I THINK HE SPOKE FROM AS HARD AS AG AND, AND, AND JUST HOW COMPELLING THIS IS ACROSS THE STATE AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH, WITH SOME OF THE, UH, FENTANYL CRISIS AND SOME OF THE THINGS GOING ON. JUST, JUST HEARTBREAKING. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT ANGEL AND WHAT SHE'S DOING AND, AND YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE, AND DAN, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID, MR. LEE, ON THE FACT OF WE NEED TO GET THE RESULTS FROM THIS COMMUNITY, UM, NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND, 'CAUSE IT WAS SOME PRETTY STAGGERING INFORMATION IN IT LAST TIME. AND WE, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO TAKE SOME OF THIS STUFF. NOT THAT WE DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A FOCUSED, SPECIFIC OBJECTIVE ON HOW WE'RE GONNA TRY TO AFFECT SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO, SORRY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME. I TELL YOU TODAY WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY FROM ALL THAT HEAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. FALL THIS BOTTOM. [10. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS] YOU GOTTA START US OFF TODAY. YEAH, SURE, I CAN DO THAT. UM, JUST HAD A, UM, KIND OF A FEW THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. UM, UM, LET'S SEE HERE. WELL, WE HAD, UM, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND, UM, IN WEST PETERSBURG, THE POLICE, THANK YOU FOR COMING. AND THE, UM, FIRE, UM, INDIVIDUALS WERE THERE. AND ALSO THE COMMONWEALTH FRATERNITY, UM, SHOWED UP, YOU KNOW, UM, AND, UH, TOOK SOME PICTURES. SO, UM, LOOK OUT FOR THOSE. AND IT WAS, UH, WELL ATTENDED. THEY WANTED TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THE STORM CAME AND EVERYTHING. AND I THINK WE DID. UM, AND, UM, ALSO WE HAD A BACK TO SCHOOL, UH, EVENT. ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY, HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE, SO I KIND OF WORKED WITH HIM TO DO THAT. A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOWED UP WHEN YOU DO SOCIAL MEDIA. MM-HMM . FOLKS CAME, THEY WERE FROM EVERYWHERE. AND THIS WAS SUNDAY AFTER CHURCH AT TWO O'CLOCK. AND THANK THE POLICE AGAIN FOR BEING THERE. THEY WERE THERE. UM, SO, UM, A LOT OF KIDS CAME. A LOT OF KIDS GOT BACKPACKS, AND THEY WERE HAPPY. AND, UM, AND SO THAT, THAT TURNED OUT REALLY NICE AS ONE OF THE OTHER LADIES I KNOW, SHE, UH, SHE HAD CLO CLOTHES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND ADULTS OUT THERE AS WELL. SO THEY GOT THOSE THINGS AND THEY WERE JUST HAPPY AND JUST, UM, THEY, UH, THE YOUNG MAN, UH, MR. UH, MANSON, UH, HE ALSO WORKS AT PRODUCE CENTER IN, IN THE, UM, COOKING IN THAT AREA. SO HE, HE TAKES THIS UPON HIMSELF, AND HE DOES IT EVERY YEAR. AND, UM, I WAS HAPPY TO WORK WITH HIM ON DOING THAT. AND HE HAD PLENTY OF FOOD FOR PEOPLE TO EAT AND BOUNCY AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR KIDS. SO THAT WAS SUNDAY. DID THAT, UH, ALSO, UM, I DO WANNA TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, HAREM DAVIS. UM, I TALKED TO THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THAT. AND OF COURSE, UM, WHEN I THINK THE BOY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, IT'S LIKE EVERYONE ELSE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, UM, ON THE NEWS. AND I THINK MORGAN DID A GOOD JOB AT TALKING ABOUT THAT. WE SAW HER ON THE NEWS, BUT I TOLD HIM, I SAID, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR THE LOCALITY THAT THIS IS A, UM, WE WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT, AND ESPECIALLY HAR DAVIS. AND, UM, SO HE TALKED ABOUT THE CONDITION OF HAR DAVIS, AND, UH, MY RESPONSE WAS, EVERYBODY ANSWERS TO SOMEONE. SO YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT ALL THIS TIME WITH THINGS ARE, THINGS WERE BAD. HE SAID IT WAS BAD. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER ISSUES AND THE BUILDING, THE ELEVATORS. UM, WHY DIDN'T, NOT, DIDN'T SOMEONE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT? THAT'S, THAT WAS MY CONCERN, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE NEVER SEEN SOME OF THE PATIENTS THAT HAVE LIVED THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, UM, THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE, UM, A LOT OF BIRTH DEFECTS AND THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NOT SEE ORDINARILY, YOU JUST WOULD NOT SEE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. UM, THEIR PARENTS DROPPED THEM OFF AND THEY LEFT. AND THE STATE HAS RAISED THEM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND IT'S PRETTY BAD. AND MY CONCERN IS THAT, UH, HE TOLD ME THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE [01:30:01] A WORK GROUP. HE ASKED ME IF I, UM, TO SIT ON ONE OF THESE WORK GROUPS, BECAUSE HR IS GONNA MAKE SURE TO GET EVERYONE HIRED ELSEWHERE, AND THEY'RE GONNA FIND PLACES FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY. WELL, IF YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S BEEN THERE 20 ODD YEARS, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THEM FROM THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT, IT'S LIKE A PARENT THAT HAS BEEN DEALING WITH THEM. UH, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN SOUTHSIDE TRAINING SCHOOL CLOSED, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. THEY WERE DEPRESSED AND SOME, A LOT, A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS DIED. AND I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DOJ, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE NEWS TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT THEY DIDN'T. SO THAT IT WAS VERY, VERY DISTURBING. AND SO HE BASICALLY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA FIND SOME GOOD PLACES AND EVERYTHING. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND I SAID, IT'S JUST VERY HARD. I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH WHEN SOMEONE FROM THE TRAINING SCHOOL WHO WAS ON A PUREE DIET HIS ENTIRE LIFE, AND HE GETS INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THE STAFF MEMBER GAVE HIM A HOT DOG, AND HE DIED, HE CHOKED TO DEATH. SO YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO FIND GOOD HOMES FOR THESE PEOPLE. SO, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST REALLY SAD. AND, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, HE WAS JUST SAYING HOW BAD IT WAS AND EVERYTHING, AND THEY HAVE, UM, UH, MEETINGS AND HE SAID A TWO YEAR PERIOD. AND, UM, MY OTHER CONCERN WAS, IF I'M GETTING READY TO LOSE MY JOB, WHY SHOULD I HANG AROUND? SO, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE AT THE END, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA LEAVE. AND, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BAD THING. IT REALLY IS. AND, UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO, AND IF YOU WANT TO GO AND VISIT AND SEE SOME OF THOSE, UH, PATIENTS, YOU SHOULD DO THAT. YOU REALLY SHOULD TOUR AND SEE WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE THEY ARE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE I DON'T, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PATIENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TRIGGERS, YOU KNOW, UM, DAY TO DAY WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF NON-VERBAL INDIVIDUALS, AND IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH A PERSON, NON-VERBAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT PERSON IS LIKE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S GONNA DO. BUT ANYWAY, I WAS A LITTLE UPSET WITH HIM WHEN I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT. AND, UM, I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT GOOD WATER. I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BEYOND ME. BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID THAT HE, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. SO HOPEFULLY WE, UM, UM, GONNA KEEP UP WITH THAT TO SEE IF THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT HAR DAVIS. UM, AND VACO, I HIT ON, I, I SIT ON THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEY MIDWIVES, MAKING A, UH, AN APPEARANCE AND DOING, GOING OUT INTO COMMUNITY, DEALING WITH PEOPLE, UM, WITH CHILDREN BECAUSE OF HEALTHCARE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE HEALTHCARE. AND THEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE OF COLOR DO NOT HAVE THE PROPER HEALTHCARE AND, UM, DYING, YOU KNOW, CHILDBIRTH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO SOMEONE BROUGHT UP, UH, MIDWIVES AND, UM, I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST, UM, ACTUALLY GOING TOWARDS MIDWIVES NOW. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. SO THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WHEN WE HAVE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IS A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT FROM THAT TO MENTAL HEALTH ALL THE WAY DOWN. SO, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETING, UM, WITH, UM, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, HEALTHCARE IS A BIG THING, YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS SAY, OH YEAH, WHEN YOU GO TO THE HOSPITAL, THEY WILL TAKE YOU AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. YEAH. BUT THEY'RE GONNA CUT SOME OF THE SERVICES. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO THE EXTRA MILE IF IT'S, UM, A HUNDRED OR TWO THOU $200,000 FOR A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. THEY'RE NOT, THEY SAY IT ALL DAY LONG. BUT, UM, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO'VE GONE AND THEY BASICALLY GIVE 'EM AN ASPIRIN AND TELL 'EM, GO HOME, THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. AND, UM, THE LAST THING I'M GONNA SAY, UH, LAST TUESDAY, UM, I WENT TO A, UM, REVIVAL AND ONE OF THE LADIES I DROPPED OFF IN WEST PETERSBURG, AND I WAS ON MY WAY HOME. THIS WAS WHEN THEY WERE WORKING ON THE ROADS AND HAD CONES TO, SO YOU COULD NOT TURN IN TO GO TO WEST PETERSBURG, BECAUSE THEY WERE WORKING ON THE ROADS. AND I, I DROVE UP, AND THEN THIS VAN WAS BEHIND ME, AND THE LADY GOT OUT. SO WHEN SHE SAW MY BACKUP LIGHTS AFTER I DROPPED THE LADY OFF, SHE BACKED UP. AND THEN WHEN I LEFT TO TRY TO GO OUT OF WEST PETERSBURG, THIS VEHICLE FOLLOWED ME HOME ALL THE WAY DOWN STERLING ROAD, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 26. AND, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF PRIDE MYSELF TRYING [01:35:01] TO THINK FAST, BUT SOMETIMES I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST KIND OF LOST IT FOR A FEW MINUTES, AND, WHICH I DID, I DID, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE GONNA FOLLOW ME HOME. THEY FOLLOWED ME HOME, AND I HAD LIVE IN A CUL-DE-SAC, AND I'M DRIVING AROUND A CIRCLE AND THEY'RE DRIVING BEHIND ME. IT WAS JUST THE WEIRDEST THING. I DIDN'T TURN INTO MY, UM, MY, UH, DRIVEWAY. AND MY SISTER'S ON THE OTHER END, HANG UP, HANG UP, CALL 9 1 1. AND, UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I MEAN, I, FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE PERSON WAS GONNA JUMP OUT AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO ME. AND, UM, SO HE PARKED IN FRONT OF MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. I CALLED MY HUSBAND, MY HUSBAND CAME TO THE DOOR, AND I WENT, I DROVE IN AND I WENT HOME. UM, THOUGHT THAT WAS THE END OF IT. THE, THE LADY PUT, UH, PUT ON HER LIGHTS AND DROVE INTO MY DRIVEWAY. AND, UH, I WAS TELLING CASEY ABOUT IT. AND WHEN WE WERE GOING TO VACO, AND, UM, SHE GOT OUT KIND OF HEAVYSET WHITE FEMALE, AND SHE HAD A PHONE IN HER HAND. I COULD NOT SEE MY, MY RING COULD, COULD NOT PICK UP THE VEHICLE. AND SHE ASKED, SHE WAS THERE, AND MY HUSBAND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT? YOU KNOW, HE, HE WENT TO THE DOOR, I SAID, WHAT DO YOU WANT? AND EVERYTHING. SO SHE PAUSED AND SHE SAID, OH, CAN I USE YOUR BATHROOM? AND MY HUSBAND SAID, WHAT? CAN YOU USE THE BATHROOM? HE SAID, IT WAS NINE 30 AT NIGHT. YOU PASSED FIVE GAS STATIONS. YOU WANNA COME USE MY BATHROOM? SO OF COURSE I'M NOT GONNA SAY THE CHOICE WORDS, HE SAID, BUT WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THAT. BUT ANYWAY, SHE, UM, AND THEN I WAS, AND THEN I YELLED, I SAID, I'M CALLING THE POLICE RIGHT NOW. SO SHE WENT AND GOT INTO HER VEHICLE AND DROVE OFF. AND THEN MY NEIGHBOR COULD NOT PICK UP THE TRUCK EITHER. THE VEHICLE EITHER WAS FUZZY, BUT IT JUST GOES TO SHOW WHAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE OUT, YOU KNOW? AND I'VE NEVER HAD ANYONE TO FOLLOW ME BEFORE. SO I, I WAS REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, RATTLED BY IT. BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. WHEN I DID CALL THE POLICE, THEY SAID THEY WERE PROBABLY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY, BUT THEY SAID BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THEY, THEY DO HAVE PEOPLE OUT DOING CERTAIN THINGS. SO I DO, AND I KNOW THIS IS BEING VIDEO. YOU NEED TO REALLY BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS. SO I JUST WANTED TO KINDA SHARE THAT STORY BECAUSE IT WAS, UM, IT WAS REALLY SCARY. AND THE LADY THAT DROPPED OFF, I CALLED HER BACK. SO SHE STAYED UP ALMOST ALL NIGHT BECAUSE SHE WAS AT HOME ALONE, AND SHE DIDN'T WANT, WANT THEM TO COME BACK THERE. SO, BUT I JUST WANNA KIND OF SHARE THAT STORY. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL MM-HMM . AND I AM DONE, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARPER SERVICE TOO. YEAH. FROM THE HOSPITAL. I, I THINK WE SHOULD GO YES. AND SEE, BUT LIKE TO HAVE THE NUMBER TO THE DIRECTORS. YEAH. IT'S, UH, WELL, I GOT IT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, IT WILL KIND OF BRING YOU TO TEARS, BUT I KNOW ANN USED TO WORK OUT THERE, SO SHE KNOWS TOO. IT, IT, IT WILL BRING YOU TEARS. UM, BUT YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING. WE REALLY DO. WELL, THE WHOLE BOARD KNOWS YOU HAVE HEART FOR YEAH. FOR THAT SERVICE. SO WE VERY PROUD OF YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE WELCOME. MR. DOOLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PICK UP WHERE MS. BON LEFT OFF ? I WILL NOT EVEN TRY, BUT I, I DO HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY. I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE RESTRUCTURING OF OUR, OUR WORKFORCE, UH, PLAYING TO THE STRENGTHS OUR STAFF, I THINK'S GONNA GO REALLY WELL. UM, TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE VACO SUMMIT, UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL COUNTY BUSINESSES, LIKE YOU'VE MENTIONED MM-HMM . WAITING ON STATE LEVEL SERVICES THAT ARE NOT BEING DONE. AND, AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE IN PLACE THAT CAN MAKE CALLS ON OUR BEHALF TO YEAH. KIND OF PUT IT, NOT NOT NECESSARILY A THORN IN THEIR SIDE, BUT MAYBE JUST A LITTLE REMINDER THAT, HEY, UH, WE, WE NEED HELP ALSO. AND THEY NEED TO FULFILL THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO US AS A COMMUNITY THAT THEY REPRESENT US ALSO MM-HMM . AND REPRESENT OUR CONSTITUENTS. AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND, AND MS. GRANT, THANK YOU. UH, THAT IS THE TASK THAT, THAT YOU TAKE ON. UH, MY PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU AND THAT , UH, IT GOES WELL, UH, MY CONDOLENCES TO THE WALLACE FAMILY. MM-HMM . UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, THAT WAS THE GRANDMOTHER OF ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES OVER IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. SO, UH, IT DID HIT CLOSE TO HOME. NOT JUST OUR COMMUNITY, BUT OUR STAFF. AND SO OUR PRAYERS ARE TO THEM AND OUR CONDOLENCES TO THEIR FAMILY AS WELL. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SAY. THANK YOU MR. DOY. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH. ALONG THAT LINE, UM, ANYTIME WE LOSE SOMEBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT A HAPPY DAY. UH, ESPECIALLY SOMEONE WHO'S 101 YEARS OLD. MM, YES. YES. UM, NONE OF US EXPECT TO GO IN THAT, THAT MANNER. UM, MY HAT'S OFF TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, ALSO TO, UH, JEREMY PUTTS, UM, WHO IS THE, UM, AIRPORT [01:40:01] MANAGER WHO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO UP IN HIS PLANE AND, AND, AND ACTUALLY FIND MS. WELLIS. SO, UM, THANK YOU TO HIM AND WAYNE FOR DOING THE STORY WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT. UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN EXCELLENT STORY AND, BUT IT'S A GOOD STORY TO TELL MM-HMM . UM, HOW WE ALL COMMUNICATE TOGETHER, WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM. AND THAT'S TEAM DENWITTY. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . UM, I ALSO WANNA SAY WELCOME TO CORNELL AND BACK TO, TO DENWITTY AND TO MATT COMING ON BOARD. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO SEE HOMEGROWN TALENT COME BACK TO DENWITTY COUNTY. MM-HMM . AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM AS WE GO FORWARD, UM, IN BOTH OF THEIR CAPACITIES OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING. OF COURSE, TODAY IS THE FIRST FULL DAY OF SCHOOL MM-HMM. UH, WHERE ALL OF OUR STUDENTS ARE IN SCHOOL. SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING WHEN I GET HOME TONIGHT TO SEE HOW THE FIRST FULL DAY WENT. I KNOW HOW YESTERDAY WENT. UH, AND THERE WERE NO HICCUPS THAT I HEARD OF. BUT, UM, OTHER THAN TRAFFIC, WHICH AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL IS, IS ALWAYS AN ADVENTURE. THE FIRST WEEK OF SCHOOL, STARTING WITH PEOPLE PICKING UP AND, AND DROPPING OFF THE CHILDREN. UM, THE OTHER WANNA THANK, UM, MY FRIEND HERE FOR THE SOIL AND WATER EVENT THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK WITH THE FARMERS. WE ALL HAD, IT WAS A GOOD OUTING, UH, VERY INFORMATIVE WHEN IT, WHEN WE HAD A PERSON FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE THAT WAS THERE TALKING ABOUT WEATHER PATTERNS. AND WE, AS AN INDIVIDUALS, WE DON'T THINK ABOUT A LOT OF TIMES WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE WEATHER, BUT WHEN YOU'RE A FARMER MM-HMM . YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT CHARTING WHAT THINGS ARE DOING. YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS LAST YEAR WE HAD VERY LITTLE SNOW. IF ANYTHING, IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DUSTING HERE. BUT THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS THE FARMING COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED. UM, THAT WATER, THAT, THAT SEEPS INTO GROUND, 'CAUSE THAT'S A SLOW SEEPAGE INTO THE GROUND. SO IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. BUT I WANNA SAY THANK YOU, UM, TO SOIL AND WATER, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE EVENT AT RAGSDALE LAST WEEK. AND THE FOOD WAS DELICIOUS. UM, SO, AND THOSE THAT, THAT COOKED, AND I LAST, I'M GONNA SAY FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS OR TWO MONTHS, I PRESUME KEVIN HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS REORGANIZATION. AND YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH TIME NOW THIS IS DONE ABOVE AND BEYOND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT HE HAS DONE OR DOES ON A DAILY EVA BASIS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS REORGANIZATION, UH, CHARTING TOGETHER TO TALK TO EVERY EMPLOYEE THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, MY HATS GO OFF TO YOU. WE ARE GROWING AS A COMMUNITY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO ADAPT. AND THIS IS PART OF THAT AP ADAPTATION AS WE EVOLVE AS A COMMUNITY. SO I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. UM, WE HAVE EXCELLENT PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THIS COUNTY. I'VE SAID THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND ALL OF THEM HAVE STEPPED UP TO CONTINUE TO TEAM ANYWAY GOING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU TO EACH OF YOUR EMPLOYEES AND, AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY. AND KEVIN HAT'S OFF TO YOU. YEP. MM-HMM . MR. LEE. UM, I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS, IS VACO AND, UM, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF TWO DAYS OF VACO INSTEAD OF ONE DAY OF VACO. AND SO THAT, UM, FIRST DAY WAS, UH, THEY HAD SOME DELEGATES FROM THE STATE COME AND TALK AND, UM, THEN BREAKOUT SESSIONS AND, UM, YOU DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, UM, THAT VACO DOES. AND THEN ON FRIDAY WE HAD THE VACO BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND, UM, AGAIN, WENT BACK TO TALKING ABOUT, UM, DIFFERENT TOPICS OF, OF THE BREAKOUT GROUPS. BUT THE, I THINK THE COMMUNICATION AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE OF THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR, BETWEEN THE COUNTIES AND THE STATE IS PROBABLY AT AN ALL TIME WORST RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT STATE DELEGATES THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL. AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING IN THE BOARD MEETING, UM, VACO DIRECTORS, UM, ELECTED ON, ON POPULATION. SO NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAS A LOT OF REPRESENTATION ON THE VACO BOARD. UM, I SAT AT THE TABLE THURSDAY NIGHT WITH PRINCE WILLIAM LOUDON AND FAIRFAX SUPERVISORS. MM-HMM . WE HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON, NOTHING. FAIRFAX REPRESENTS 1.2 MILLION PEOPLE IN FAIRFAX COUNTY, DENWOODY, 28,000 MM-HMM . UM, SO, BUT WE DO HAVE AN AWFUL LOT IN COMMON. 'CAUSE THEIR EDUCATION IS, IS A PROBLEM. [01:45:01] UM, UN-FUNDED MANDATE, UN-FUNDED MANDATE IN SCHOOLS IN DENWOODY. LOOKS LIKE WHAT, 2 MILLION? MM-HMM . IT LOOKS LIKE 14 OR 15 MILLION IN FAIRFAX COUNTY. SO, UM, AND, AND WE WERE UPSET. THE BOARD WAS UPSET WITH THE SPEAKERS THAT WERE THERE, UM, ON THURSDAY, BUT WE CAN'T, WE'VE GOTTA WORK WITH, WITH THESE PEOPLE. AND THAT'S, THAT WAS IS THE CONUNDRUM, I GUESS, THAT, THAT WE CAME OUT OF THE BOARD MEETING IS HOW DO WE RELATE TO THESE, UM, ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THE STATE LEVEL WITH LOCAL ISSUES AND, UM, HOW, HOW THEY AFFECT US, BUT DON'T AFFECT THE STATE. MM-HMM . AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT AN ANSWER YET. I THINK WHAT YOU, WHAT MARIA'S GONNA TRY TO DO, UM, FOR US IS, IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE, UM, WE NEED THEM TO CALL US IF, IF THEY MM-HMM . UH, SO DESIRE. SO I DO THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A, A REALLY GOOD IDEA. UM, LAST THING, UM, EIGHT MONTHS SINCE MY TRANSPLANT, UH, WENT TO VCU THIS MORNING. AND, UH, MY REAL THING I, I WAS WORRIED ABOUT WAS WHILE I WAS GONNA BE TO HUNT THIS WINTER, UM, THEY, THEY CLEARED ME FOR, FOR BEING ABLE TO HUNT. SO I'M HAPPY ABOUT THAT. UH, BUT, UM, THE, THE GOOD THING, UM, IS EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD. THEY SAID I WAS AHEAD OF, OF, UH, WHERE I SHOULD BE. UM, AND, UM, AND SO I AM TRULY BLESSED, UM, ACTUALLY SENT A LETTER BACK TODAY TO, TO THE, UH, FAMILY THAT, UH, DONATED MY HEART, UM, TO THANK THEM FOR THAT. AND NOT SURE WHAT THE FUTURE LIES WITH, WITH THAT WHOLE RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, AND I KEEP USING THE WORD WEIRD, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GOOD WORD FOR FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH SORROW ON ONE SIDE AND SO MUCH JOY ON THE OTHER. AND, UH, IT TRULY IS GONNA BE A, UM, I DON'T, I, I DON'T, RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT IT IN WORDS, BUT I DO WANT, WANTED TO THANK THEM IMMENSELY FOR, FOR THE GIFT OF LIFE FOR ME. AND, UM, AND TRULY BLESSED TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND, UH, AND ALL THAT THAT INVOLVES. SO THAT'S ALL WE GOT. GOOD JOB. EVERYONE HAD SOME GOOD COMMENTS? VACO WAS, UM, MIND BOGGLING WHEN YOU BREAK OUT THE SESSIONS. UM, UM, WHAT YOU THINK YOU ENJOY GOING TO LAND USE IS WHAT WE WENT TO AND WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS ALL THESE DATA CENTERS, YOU KNOW, IT'S TAKEN UP A LOT OF LAND, UH, BUT THEY'RE TAKING THE LAND, BUT ALSO WATER. THEY TALKED, I FORGOT HOW MANY GALLONS OF WATER IT GOES THROUGH EACH DAY. SO PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE ENERGY'S TAKING UP A LOT OF LAND. UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH NOISES. UH, SO LISTENING TO ALL THAT AND, AND PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR KIDS, UH, FARMING, THEY STARTED TELLING WHO'S GOING TO TAKE, TAKE OVER WHEN WE GO, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY, WHAT HE HAD GRANDDAUGHTERS. HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SONS. SO WHO'S GONNA TAKE OVER THESE? AND WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. I'M NOT GONNA BRING THAT UP, BUT WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN IT GETS TO THAT POINT. EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR A EASIER, SOFTER WAY. BUT VACO WAS VERY INTERESTED IN JUST THAT UHT, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK TWO HOURS WE SPENT WITH, UM, LESS THAN, AND I THINK TYLER WENT TO, I THINK WE ALL WENT TO, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, SESSIONS. BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT DENWOODY COUNTY, WE GO TO VACO, THEY BRAG ABOUT US. WE SAT INTO A ROOM THAT JUST THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WAS THERE. MM-HMM . WE HAD ALL FIVE. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID. PROUD OF. I GUESS THAT'S THE REASON WE GET THE BEST COUNTY IN THE STATE. SO GOD VACO REALLY LOOKS GOOD AT US, UH, BACK TO SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, BACK TO SCHOOL IS HARD FOR KIDS 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BULLYING GOES ON. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SOMEHOW. UH, MY WIFE TOLD ME A LITTLE STORY THE OTHER DAY ABOUT A KID GOT ON THE BUS AND THIS GUY STARTED BULLYING HIM. TIME HE GOT ON THERE ABOUT MONEY. GIMME $2, YOU GIMME $2. SO THEY MADE HIM GIVE HIM $2. THAT'S BULLYING. MM-HMM . SO THE BOY, UH, GOES TO SCHOOL AND HE TELLS THE PRINCIPAL ABOUT IT, AND HE ALSO GOES HOME AND TELLS HIS MOTHER THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. MM-HMM . [01:50:01] THEN IF THE MOTHER, I, HOPEFULLY THE MOTHER WILL GET INVOLVED AND GO AND TRY TO HOLD SOMEBODY ACCOUNTABLE. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS, UM, THAT KIDS HAVE TO GO THROUGH IS, IS TERRIBLE BULLYING. UM, TOWN HALL MEETINGS IS MY FAVORITE THING. I LIED. PRAISE GOD. BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT STARTING AND SEPTEMBER EACH MONTH WE'RE GO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR DISTRICTS. UH, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE IN SINCE I WAS A LITTLE BOY , BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. UM, I REALLY AM. SO, UH, SHOULD BE GOOD REORGANIZATION IS KEVIN DID THIS PRESENTATION WHEN WE FIRST, UH, A MONTH AGO, BUT 20 YEARS GOES BY AND YOU DON'T DO IT. AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE WHOLE THING IS WE DON'T HAVE TO HIRE, BUT WHAT MM-HMM . ONE GUY OR ONE PERSON. WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD SOMEONE TO MOVE INTO EVERY, UH, POSITION. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. YOU KNOW WHAT, HOW HE WORKED THAT OUT. I NEVER KNOW. BUT HE'S, HE DOES THINGS THAT SOMETIMES BLOWS MY MIND, BUT THAT'S HIS JOB, I GUESS. RIGHT. BUT THINGS ARE GOING GOOD IN DWIN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE WHOLE STAFF, THE WAY WE WORK TOGETHER AND IT MAKES US LOOK GOOD. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS. I GOT, I GOT CREDIT TODAY. I HAD A ROAD OPEN UP. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM . THEY SAID, BILL, I WENT TO CHURCH. AND EVERYBODY'S GOING, HEY. AH. AND THEN THE NEXT THING I KNOW, UH, THE ROAD'S OPEN. SO WE GET PRAISE SOMETIMES AND WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE CRITICISM. BUT WITH THAT I'M GOING TO SAY [11. CLOSED SESSION] WE NEED A TO GO INTO CLOSE. THE BOARD WILL CONVENE INTO A CLOSED SESSION UNDER 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE, PERSONNEL CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMS APPOINTMENT CREATOR PLANNING DISTRICT METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION, DISTRICT 19 COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A FIVE, BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION CONCERNING PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR THE EXPANSION OF EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROSPECTS UPDATE 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 180 3. DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE OR OF THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY. ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. DISPOSITION OF PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSE PLEASE. SO MOVED. SECOND ROLL CALL MS. EBRA BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. WILL WE BACK POSITION AT SEVEN? THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION. HUH? WE HAVE A NEED TO CERTIFY. I NEED A MOTION TO COME OUT. CLOSED. SO MOVED. SECOND ROLL CALL MS. EBRA BONNER. AYE. HERE. NO. AYE. AYE. A MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. WHEREAS THIS BOARD CONVENED INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE PERSONNEL CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMS APPOINTMENT CREATOR PLANNING DISTRICT METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION, DISTRICT 19 COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD 2.2 3 7 85 BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION CONCERNING PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR THE EXPANSION OF EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROSPECTS UPDATE 2.2 DASH 3 7 180 3. DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE OR THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY. ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. DISPOSITION OF PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND WHEREAS NO MEMBER HAS MADE A STATEMENT THAT THERE WAS A DEPARTURE FROM THE LAWFUL PURPOSE OF SUCH CLOSED MEETING OR OF THE MATTERS IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION TO DISCUSSED NOW BE IT CERTIFIED, THAT ONLY THOSE MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING. I NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT PLEASE. SECOND ROLL CALL MS. EBRA. BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS, THANK YOU. TURN IT BACK. WE WILL BE BACK IN SESSION IN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MINUTES [01:57:56] AT THAT TIME. CALL TO MEET THE ORDER. OKAY. WE HAVE SOME [12.A. Rezoning Request, P-24-7, Lee's Branch, LLC, Rainey Creek Road] PUBLIC HEARINGS. UH, FIRST ONE IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR P DASH 24 DASH SEVEN LEE BRANCHES. LLC RAINY CREEK ROAD. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. AS YOU INDICATED, THIS IS, UH, REZO REQUEST. LEE'S BRANCH LLC IS THE APPLICANT AND THEIR AGENT IS HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING THEIR APPLICATION. MR. GORDON'S HERE THIS EVENING. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, UM, IS MADE UP CURRENTLY OF ACTUALLY, UM, FOUR DIFFERENT PARCELS. UH, THE ORIGINAL PARENT TRACK WAS, UH, DIVIDED INTO THOSE FOUR PARCELS THAT YOU, THAT YOU SEE NOW. UM, AND THE HIGHLIGHTED BLUE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S UP FOR REZONING THIS EVENING AND THAT IS ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL. UH, WHEN MR. ROBINSON WAS HERE, THE, UH, FORMER ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, HE AND I, UH, WERE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, UM, AND WE DISCOVERED ON THE ZONING MAP THAT UH, THIS HIGHLIGHTED PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AGAIN IS ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL WE COULD, WE COULD NOT FIND ANY SPECIFIC CASE, UM, FROM THE PAST, UM, WHERE THAT PROPERTY, UM, WAS REZONED TO THE R ONE RESIDENTIAL. SO WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE OF THE, UM, DERIVATION OF THAT ORIGINAL R ONE ZONING ON THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS OWNED A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL. [02:00:01] THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, LISTS THIS AS, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, CONS CONSERVATIVE AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND, UM, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT IT, UM, THEY AGREED WITH STAFF THAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY BE REZONED BACK TO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A TWO. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID AGREE AND VOTED TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO A, TO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL. UM, THERE WERE NO, UM, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC INPUT FROM THE, UH, SURROUNDING PROPERTIES EITHER BY PHONE OR AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, AND AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED REZONING, AND OF COURSE, UH, STAFF'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT AS WELL. UH, GIVEN THE CASE HISTORY OF THAT, UH, NOT KNOWING, UM, HOW THAT PROPERTY WAS REZONED TO R ONE AND ALSO IT'S COMP, WE FELT LIKE THE A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, THE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING, CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND, UH, THEREFORE RECOMMENDING, UH, APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED REZONING THIS EVENING. I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. AND AGAIN, UH, MR. GORDON'S HERE THIS EVENING TO REPRESENT THE, UH, APPLICANT. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MARK, SIR, THE APPLICANT? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. BOARD MEMBERS? UH, 14 100 BOYDEN PLANK ROAD, HAMPTON, GORDON. UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT MARK SAID, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY CUT AND DRY. NORMALLY, I, I LOOK FOR WHAT TYPE OF ZONING BEFORE I DIVIDE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT WHO WOULD EVEN THINK THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE SLIVER OF RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTY OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE? ALL WE CAN GATHER IS THAT IT'S, IT'S VERY, MORE THAN LIKELY SOMEBODY MEANT TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND ENDED UP PUTTING IT HERE AT SOME TIME OR ANOTHER. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO RECORD OF, OF ANY REASON FOR IT TO HAVE BEEN DONE. SO NORMALLY I'M TRYING TO REZONE FROM A TWO TO R ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, , THIS, THIS ACTUALLY CAME UP WHENEVER, UH, THE, UM, THE CURRENT OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND APPLIED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AND THAT'S WHEN ZONING FOUND IT. SO ANYWAY, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT. QUESTIONS, SO YOU OUGHT TO GET LIKE A CREDIT FOR DOING THAT. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S KINDA WHAT I WAS THINKING. ABSOLUTELY DO ONE. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH. OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WE'RE OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. BOARD PLEASURE. WHAT YOUR PLEASURE, MR. CHAIRMAN? CLEARLY I THINK IT'S A, WAS NOT SURE HOW IT GOT TO BE THAT WAY, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.22867 AND STATED FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH IS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED, IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY OR CONVENIENCE AND GOOD WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE P 24 DASH SEVEN, BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL MS. EBRA, BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . MOVING ON. UH, [12.B. Rezoning Case, P-24-5, Slade And Sons Construction, LLC Rezoning Case, P-24-5, Slade And Sons Construction, LLC ] B REZONING CASE P DASH 24 DASH FIVE SLATE AND SONS CONSTRUCTION, LSC AND STIC REAL ESTATE PROPERTIES, MARK BASSETT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MM-HMM UH, THE SUBJECT REZONING REQUEST THAT WE'RE HERE FOR THIS EVENING. UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING, UH, VICTOR SLATE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICATION. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, THE, UH, SLIDE WE HAVE FOR THE LOCATION MAP, UH, WE HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED ON FERNDALE ROAD. [02:05:01] IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THE SLIDE, UH, BUT THE, ON THE SHADED PORTION HIGHLIGHTING THE PROPERTY, BUT IT DOES INVOLVE, UH, ACTUALLY THREE TAX MAP PARCELS. UM, TWO OF THOSE, THE 33 A AND 32 A ARE VERY SMALL ACREAGE PARCELS THAT, UH, DO NOT SHOW UP ON THE MAP, BUT THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE REQUESTED REZONING THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US THIS EVENING. UH, CURRENTLY THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL WITH PROPERTIES. AND, UH, RELATED TO THAT, UH, WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO HEARD AND THE CONDITIONAL USED PERMIT WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT, UH, TO CONSTRUCT A SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY ON THE PROPERTY. AND AS PART OF THAT FACILITY, THEY WOULD HAVE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE AS PART OF THAT FACILITY. BUT LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE, UH, REZONING, UH, ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS OWNED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTHWEST, UH, JOINING THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THAT IS OWNED B ONE. UM, LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RELATED TO, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, DOES HAVE THIS PROPERTY DESIGNATED AS WITHIN THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHICH WOULD, UH, ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WOULD ALLOW FOR A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. AND AS SUCH, THE GENERAL AREA, ACCORDING TO THE CONFERENCE PLAN, WOULD BE EXPECTED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. UH, WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION TALKED ABOUT THE B TWO ZONING SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE PROPOSED OFFICE AND SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY COULD BE CONSIDERED A SERVICE USE THAT IS ACCESSORY TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES IN THE FERNDALE ROAD AREA. UM, LOOKING AT PUBLIC UTILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACTS, UM, THERE ARE WATER AND SEWER, THERE IS WATER AND SEWER AVAILABLE ON FERNDALE ROAD, UH, TO SUPPLY THE OFFICE BUILDING PORTION OF THE PROJECT, AND OF COURSE, THE OWNER DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT, UH, TO THOSE SERVICES. AND FIRE AND EMS IS AVAILABLE ON LEE BOULEVARD AND PELHAM AVENUE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, LOOKING AT THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS, UH, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH VDOT AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UH, FERNDALE ROAD IS A MINOR ARTERIAL WITH A POSTED SPEED LIMIT OF 40 MILES PER HOUR. UM, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 11,000 TRIPS PER DAY, UM, ON FERNDALE ROAD CURRENTLY. UM, THE APPLICANT DID HIRE AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, FIRM TO CONDUCT A TRA TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, UH, RELATED TO THE SUBJECT USE IN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND, UH, THE TRIPS ARE LIMITED, UH, BASED ON, UH, THE SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY AND OFFICE USE. UH, FOR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TRIPS GENERATED BY BOTH USES, THERE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 121 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS WITH 16:00 AM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 16:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS. UM, LOOKING AT THE TURNING MOVEMENTS, VDOT AGREED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO TURN LANES REQUIRED IN NEITHER DIRECTION TO ENTER, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, AS PART OF THE APPLICANT'S, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND, UH, WHAT VDOT LOOKED AT, UH, RELATED TO THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION FOR ENTERING AND EXITING THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT TURNING MOVEMENTS ONLY ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THERE WOULD BE NO, UM, LEFT HAND TRIPS, UH, COMING ALONG FERNDALE ROAD FROM WEST TO EAST HEADING TOWARDS THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT. THERE WOULD BE NO LEFT HAND TURN [02:10:01] MOVEMENTS ALLOWED. IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO TURN LEFT INTO THE PROJECT, THEY WOULD GO DOWN TO THE ROUNDABOUT OR ROUNDABOUT, ROUNDABOUT, COME BACK, HEAD WEST ON FERNDALE ROAD AND TURN RIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, WE DO HAVE THE PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT THAT WILL BE COMING AT, UH, RIVER ROAD AND FERNDALE ROAD, HOPEFULLY, UH, NEXT YEAR START CONSTRUCTION ON THAT. SO INDIVIDUALS WILL BE ALSO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT ROUNDABOUT, UH, TO TURN AROUND AND GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. SO IN CONCLUSION, RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION, VDOT DID, UH, DID AGREE WITH THE, UH, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT WAS PERFORMED BY THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER, UM, AND DID AGREE, UM, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED WRITE IN WRITE OUT, UH, ENTRANCE, UM, THE APPLICANT DID ALSO, UH, SUBMIT. UM, MARK, YES, IF, IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS TURNED ON. YEAH, IT MAY ISN'T ON, I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK ARE, ARE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. YEAH. OKAY, HERE WE GO. JUST TRYING TO MOVE AHEAD TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, THIS IS THE, UH, SITE, PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE APPLICANT. AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THEY HAVE THREE BUILDINGS LOCATED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, WITH THE FRONT BUILDING, HAVING THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE SPACE UP FRONT. AND THEN AS PART OF THE APPLICANT'S PROFFERS, THERE'S VERBIAGE IN THERE DISCUSSING THE OFFICE, UM, LOOKING, UH, FROM FERNDALE ROAD INTO THE SITE. THE FRONT OF THE OFFICE YOU CAN SEE, UM, WOULD HAVE A, UM, GENERALLY A BRICK VENEER, UM, FRONT. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IN THE SUMMARY REPORT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADDED A ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE NORTHWESTERN SIDE OF THE, THAT OFF FIRST OFFICE BUILDING, UM, WOULD ALSO MATCH THE FRONT, UH, WITH THE BRICK EXTERIOR. SO FOR THE, UH, FOR THE REZONING REQUEST ITSELF, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED, UH, DISAPPROVAL, UM, BASICALLY RELYING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THIS AREA WAS SLATED FOR MIXED RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, UH, FOR THIS GENERAL AREA AND INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY, UH, FOR APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO THE B TWO GENERAL USE WITH PROFFERS. UM, I'LL MOVE TO THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, PORTION OF THE CASE. AS I REFERENCED PREVIOUSLY, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID, UH, ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, WITH, UH, SEVERAL CONDITIONS. UH, THEY ADDED, UH, THREE CONDITIONS, UH, TO THE, TO THE REQUEST AFTER HEARING IT, UH, THAT, THAT EVENING. UM, AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS, UH, WE TIED THE, UM, THE EXHIBIT A OF THE, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, TO THE APPROVAL, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, THEY ALSO, UH, THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU SEE ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SLIDE, UM, THOSE ARE UNDER CONDITION TWO WOULD BE MADE PART OF THE APPROVAL AS WELL. UM, CONDITION THREE. THE SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY SHALL HAVE NO MORE THAN 67,000 SQUARE FEET OF ENCLOSED STORAGE. UM, CONDITION FOUR IS THERE FOR, IF THE, UH, PROJECT IS DEVELOPED IN STAGES, EACH, UH, EACH BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PAVED PARKING [02:15:01] AT THE TIME THAT THAT BUILDING'S CONSTRUCTED. WE ADDRESS SITE LIGHTING IN CONDITION FIVE. UM, SITE LIGHTING WOULD BE DIRECTED INWARD AND DOWNWARD TO THE SITE AND NOT CAST, UH, ANY TYPE OF LIGHTING ONTO THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY. THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, UH, WOULD BE FENCED AROUND ITS PERIMETER WITH CHAIN LINK FENCE, UM, FENCING ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE, THE PROPERTY, UM, WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND AGREED TO BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THAT SHOULD BE OPAQUE FENCING, CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD BOARD OR VINYL. AND THEN IN THE REAR, THEY'RE PROPOSING A BOAT AND RV STORAGE AREA AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SCREENED, UH, WITH OPAQUE FENCING AS WELL. WOOD BOARD OR VINYL, UH, CONDITION SEVEN TALKS ABOUT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY AND IT WOULD BE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY ENTRANCE. UM, CONDITION EIGHT TALKS ABOUT, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY INOPERABLE VEHICLES, IF THE PROPERTY, UM, THERE SHALL BE NO MORE THAN FIVE INOPERABLE VEHICLES STORED ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY SHALL BE STORED IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. AND SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW. ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE FACILITY, UM, LIMITING THAT TO 7:00 AM THROUGH 9:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO, UH, INSTRUCTED THAT AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION SHOULD BE, UH, MADE PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT BEING CONDITION 10 CONSTRUCTION STILL START WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THE DATE OF APPROVAL BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND THE WORST, THE FIRST BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THREE YEARS OF APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. ALSO, UH, CONDITION 11, UM, BRICK WOULD HAVE TO BE USED ON THE NORTHWESTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND, UM, THE FINAL TWO CONDITIONS, UH, CONDITION 12, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS SHALL BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATED CONDITIONS AND A AND THE APPLICABLE DIMITY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. AND THE FINAL CONDITION THE APPLICANT SHALL REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE, AND COUNTY RULES AND REGULATIONS. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR MY PRESENTATION FOR THE REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, SIR? YEAH, I DO. UM, FOR THESE STORAGE FACILITIES, DO THEY HAVE, UM, THE BUILDINGS HAVE A TEMPERATURE CONTROL OR ANYTHING IN THOSE BUILDINGS? UM, I'LL HAVE TO LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF THE UNITS WOULD BE TEMPERATURE CONTROL. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. I JUST WANT TO YEAH. ASK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. ARE THEY HERE? YEAH. APPLICANT. YEAH. THANK YOU. CAN APPLICANT SPEAK ON THAT? YES. MM-HMM . YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR BOARD. VICTOR SLATE, JR 2,600 EX MILL ROAD CHURCH ROAD, VIRGINIA. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE TRIED TO DEVELOP A, UH, A MINI STORAGE UNIT THAT'S BOTH AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND, UH, AND, AND I THINK IT'LL ADD VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS EVERY ISSUE THAT THE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAD WITH DESIGN DOWN LIGHTING AND FENCING AND SCREENING. UM, ARE THERE ANY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME AT THIS TIME OTHER THAN THE CLIMATE CONTROL? YEAH, I, I STILL HAVE SOME OTHERS. OKAY. UM, AS FAR AS THE CLIMATE CONTROL, THERE WILL BE MIXED, THERE'LL BE A MIXED USE. WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT COUNTS YET 'CAUSE WE'RE IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF DESIGN MM-HMM . BUT THERE WILL BE SOME CLIMATE CONTROLLED AND SOME NON CLIMATE CONTROL. OKAY. THE, UM, AND, UM, HOW MANY UNITS DO IT DO YOU ANTICIPATE? IT'S 66,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT THERE, WE'VE GOT OUR STUDIES, BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE, UM, AS FAR AS SIZE. AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL, THAT'LL GIVE US THE END, END NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE CAN HAVE. OKAY. AND I NOTICED THAT, OKAY. YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE, UM, I GUESS THE, UH, PARAMETER AND, UH, IT'S, YOU SAID WOOD BOARD OR VINYL? IT'S OPAQUE [02:20:01] FENCING. IT CAN BE WOOD SLAT BOARD OR VINYL. SO PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THROUGH. OKAY. BUT EITHER OR? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. AND UM, THE LIGHTING, UM, NOW THE STORAGE OFFICE WOULD BE AT THE FRONT MA, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. CORRECT. OKAY, MA'AM. AND, UM, BRICK AND, UM, BEHIND THE STORAGE OFFICE WOULD BE, UM, THE UNITS, CORRECT? MM-HMM . UM, JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE WOOD LOOKING AT THAT. UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, I KNOW YOU HAVE THE LIGHTING FACING IN, BUT DO YOU HAVE, UM, AND DOWN WITH SHIELDS? DOWN WITH SHIELDS, OKAY. YES MA'AM. AND THAT'S FACING WHEN YOU'RE COMING UP SO THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ROAD? CORRECT. UM, OKAY. UM, AND I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS, I KNOW THAT AREA, UM, AND I KNOW THEY DID A STUDY, BUT I KNOW IT'S A VERY BUSY AREA. MM-HMM . IT'S TRULY A BUSY AREA. AND, UM, I KNOW, UM, THEY SAID YOU CAN GO DOWN TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND TURN AROUND, BUT, UM, THAT'S A LOT OF TURNING. I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST, ESPECIALLY IF NOTHING'S COMING, THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND TURN LEFT AND GO IN AND UM, WHATNOT. BUT, UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST, I KNOW IT'S A BUSY AREA AND I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN OF SOME OF THE, SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE TALKED TO ME ABOUT HOW BUSY THAT ROAD IS. MM-HMM . FERNDALE IS VERY BUSY. I UNDERSTAND. YES. IT'S VERY BUSY. AND, UM, UM, AND FORTUNATELY PEOPLE DO SPEED UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD A LOT, SO, UM, SO, AND, AND THAT WAS A CONCERN. THE SPEED. CAN I ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN? YES. UM, TWO THINGS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE DESIGN THAT ALLEN DESIGN ALLOWS FOR A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT TURN AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH VDOT ROAD DESIGN MANUAL AND IT'S APPENDIX F. SO IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD FOR THEM TO DO THAT WITH THE WAY THAT ALLEN'S GONNA BE DESIGNED. SECONDLY, JUST KEEP IN MIND, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE AND WITH THE AMOUNT OFS WE HAVE, WE CAN GET ANYWHERE, ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 12 HOUSES IN THERE BY RIGHT. WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANYTHING. JUST, JUST FOR A, A LITTLE TIDBIT FOR YOU ON A, FOR 10 TO 12 RESIDENTIAL HOMES, THAT'LL CREATE 233 TRIPS A DAY. ALRIGHT. MOST DURING PEAK HOURS, PEOPLE LEAVING IN THE MORNING GOING TO WORK, PEOPLE COMING HOME IN THE EVENINGS. OUR TRIPS ARE 19 OFFICE TRIPS A DAY, AND 101 TRIPS TO THE UNITS A DAY, ONLY 16 AT AM AND 16 AT PM. SO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS LESS OF A TRAFFIC IMPACT THAN IF WE WERE TO BUILD A 10 TO 12 TO 13 HOUSES WE COULD BUY. RIGHT. WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. YEAH. AND I REALIZE THAT OKAY. I I I'M JUST REPEATING WHAT SUB CITIZENS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE CONCERN THAT, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I DO. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AS A REPRESENTATIVE, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. MR. JUDGE, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. OKAY. VJ, CAN WE GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE OFF OF, UH, FERNDALE? YES. IF I'M SMART ENOUGH TO WORK THIS CAN, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET TO THE FRONT. THERE WE GO. PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO IF I'M COMING IN, WHERE IF, FIRST OF ALL, IS IT AN ELECTRONIC GATE THAT I'M GONNA COME THROUGH, OR HOW'S YOUR GATING GONNA BE THE WALK HERE I CAN'T SEE, KIND OF SHOW ME. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SLIDE, UH, DR. MOORE MM-HMM . RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING. IT EVEN SAYS SLIDING SECURITY GATE. YES. IT'S JUST, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW FAR IN IT IS. THAT'S RIGHT. 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME WIDTH TO GET OFF THAT ROAD. THIS WAS ALL DESIGNED BY AN ENGINEERING FIRM SO THAT THEY'RE GONNA, IT'S RIGHT HERE OR HERE. OKAY. IT'S RIGHT HERE. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE CURVE WITH THE NEW VDOT APPENDIX, THE ONE TRIANGLE WILL ESSENTIALLY TURN INTO TWO TRIANGLES. WILL THAT CURB IS TO MEET ABOUT FEET UP STANDARDS. APPENDIX F SORRY, I HAD TO GET THOSE RECORDS. YEAH, I GOT YOU. AND YOUR NEIGHBOR TO, TO THE WEST, UH, HAS NO CURB AND GUT OR ANYTHING IN THE FRONT OF THE OLD HARRISON SUPERMARKET. NO, SIR. IT'S JUST FLAT ASPHALT THAT'S THERE WITH, WITH CURRENT BUILDINGS ON, ON IT. YES, SIR. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I HEAR FROM MS. BONNER. UM, I MET, I DEAL WITH ONE AT, AT THE OLD EAST COAST GAS STATION TO SHELL, JIFFY NOW, AND THAT'S A RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT. RIGHT. BUT EVERY DAY WE SEE PEOPLE MAKING PLENTY LEFT THAT ARE GOING INTO IT. SO THEY DO. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW LARGE THAT THAT ISLAND'S GONNA BE. I'VE HEIGHT OF THE, I HAVE SUBMITTED THE PLANS YEAH. TO PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, THE UPDATED PLANS. YEAH. SO, OKAY. UM, THE, THE, WHEN IT COMES TO THE FENCING, THE ONLY PIECE THAT I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT, AND THAT WOULD BE THE, THE SOUTHERN PART WHERE THE HOMES ARE ON WEST STREET. MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GIVE THEM THEIR PRIVACY IN THE, IN THEIR BACKYARD. 'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA BE. IT'S NOT ONLY FENCING, IT'LL ALSO BE LANDSCAPED. RIGHT. WITH, WITH LOW AND, AND, [02:25:01] AND HIGH BUSHES LIKE SOME ARBOR BIDES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT? YES, SIR. YEAH. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE HOUSE THAT'S IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT OF IT. UM, THE ONE SINGLE HOUSE THAT'S THERE. CORRECT. UM, AS YOU COME IN AND THEN YOU STILL GOT THE WOOD BUFFER ON TOP OF THE FENCING AND THE LANDSCAPING. ALRIGHT. SO THE, THE FENCE TO THE WEST SIDE, WHICH WOULD BUFFER YOUR NEIGHBOR, THE HARRISON SUPERMARKET PIECE OF PROPERTY MM-HMM . UM, IS THAT GONNA BE THE SAME TYPE OF FENCING AS IT WOULD BE ON, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THAT SIDE? IT'S, IT'S CHAIN LINK ON THAT SIDE CHAIN. STRICTLY CHAIN LINK. YES, SIR. BUT THE WHOLE, DOES THIS THING HAVE A POINTER OR I GOTCHA. SO THE WHOLE PROPOSED FRONT BUILDING, THE WHOLE LEFT SIDE OR THE, THE PIECE BORDERING HARRISON SUPERMARKET YES. IS ALL NOW GONNA BE A BRICK VENEER RIGHT BACK. SO YOU PROBABLY FROM FERNDALE WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE THE FENCING. SEE THE FENCING AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN. YES, SIR. BUT IF HE DEVELOPS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THE BACK OF IT RIGHT. HE MAY SEE SOMETHING YES, SIR. THERE, BUT THAT'S FOR ALL TO WORK AT. UM, BUT THERE'S NO HOMES ON THAT SIDE. NO, SIR. THE TWO HOMES ARE UP ON THE ROAD. CORRECT. ALONG ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF HARRISON SUPERMARKET. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS PROPERTY FOR YOU AND I HAVE MET THE STAFF AND OTHERS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT COULD GO THERE. AND OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS PROBABLY THE LOWEST IMPACT THAT COULD HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY, I FEEL, MY OPINION AND PROBABLY YOUR OPINION. I AGREE. YES, SIR. UM, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA TAKE THE, THE RISK OF MAKING A LEFT, MY ONLY CONCERN, AND THIS GOES BACK TO OUR INITIAL CONVERSATIONS, IS IF I COME OUT TO THE RIGHT, IF I WANT TO GET TO BROTHERS OR TO FOOD LION OR THAT END, I'VE GOTTA MAKE A LEFT ON THE CEDAR HEART AND IT'S TIGHT. RIGHT. I THINK WE BOTH WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT LORD KNOWS THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, I CAN REMEMBER PEOPLE GETTING HIT AT HARRISON'S TOO, BACK AND INTO FERNDALE. AND IT'S THE SAME HOUSES ARE THERE TODAY THAT WERE THERE 30 YEARS AGO. OH YEAH. AND HE WAS ALL THE WAY TO THE ROAD TOO ROAD. YEAH. AND THEY'RE BASICALLY AT THE ROAD PULLING OUT INTO THE ROAD WHEN HE PULLED IN THERE. SO, UH, I'M, I'M OF THE OPINION OF WHAT I'VE SEEN OVER TIME, THIS IS THE LOWEST IMPACT THAT COULD COME TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THE OTHER IS, IS WE ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT. RIGHT. AND WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN VISIBLY RIGHT. WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT LIFTS THE COMMUNITY UP. SO I, I'M GLAD TO SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE BUILDINGS THAT FACE FERNDALE. RIGHT. TO MAKE IT A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I DO HAVE ONE THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY WITH THE APPLICANT, VERY MINOR POINT, PJ IN THE, IN THE PROFFERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2298, AND I THINK YOU GOT THAT FROM THE PREVIOUS PROFFERS. RIGHT? THE CODE SECTION FOR DENWOODY HAS ACTUALLY CHANGED TO 2297. OKAY. 'CAUSE OF SOME THINGS WITH POPULATION CHANGE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE UNDER OKAY. PROCEEDING UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS 2297. YES, SIR. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? WE'LL GO AHEAD. PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGN? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING. CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. BOARD, YOU'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS ON THE REZONING AND THE CONDITION ON BILL, HUH? YES. I WANNA RAISE THE HAND. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WAS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REZONING, RIGHT? SO WE DIDN'T HAVE IT FOR THE CONDITION OF TWO? NO, SIR. IT WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT IT MM-HMM . UNLESS THEY SIGNED UP. UNLESS SOMEONE WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE, SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK PUBLIC HEARING. I DID. OKAY. ANYBODY WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE REZONING? IT? YOU DO HAVE ONE IN THE BACK IF YOU WISH. OH, OKAY. WE HAVE NO ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING. NAME AND ADDRESS. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. CLA WILLIAMS. CLARENCE WILLIAMS OF CLARENCE WILLIAMS. AND S UH, I GUESS MY, UH, CONCERN, BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT, UH, THOSE OF US THAT, UH, HAVE PROPERTY, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE PROPERTY WITH, WITH THE SOLAR? WOULD THE SOLAR, I MEAN, WOULD IT AFFECT, WOULD IT AFFECT THE PROPERTY IN ANY KIND OF WAY? IN IN WHAT WAYS DOES IT AFFECT, UH, THOSE MUST TO HAVE PROBLEM THERE? THE WRONG CASE? YEAH. THIS YOUR WRONG CASE. YOU'RE ON THE WRONG CASE RIGHT NOW. OH, OKAY. THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE. AND THAT COMES UP LATER. OKAY. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE I CAN'T, WE CAN'T, I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT WAS SAYING. I MEAN YEAH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE GENTLEMEN, I, I, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S HE, WHAT'S HE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T, AND I TRIED TO, I RAISED MY HAND SO THAT MAYBE HE COULD LIFT HIS [02:30:01] VOICE A LITTLE BIT OR MAYBE TURN SIDE. I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND NOTHING THAT HE WAS SAYING. I DON'T, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE SOLO SYSTEM? NO, TALKING ABOUT A MINI STORAGE FACILITY. STORAGE. STORAGE. OKAY. BUT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING TO SOLAR, THERE SHOULD BE A SIGNUP SHEET IF YOU WISH TO SIGN UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UH, VOTE MR. CHAIR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.22286 A SEVEN. IT IS STATED THAT FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE RESOLUTION IS INITIATED, IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT REZONING P 24 DASH FIVE AS PRESENTED, UH, WITH THE PROFFERS, BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL MS. EBRA BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. OKAY, MOVING ON [12.C. Conditional Use Permit Request Case C-24-4, Slade And Sons Construction, LLC And Bostic Real Estate Properties, LLC, Ferndale Road] TO THE CONTENTIONAL USE PERMIT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MM-HMM . UM, THIS CASE SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS CASE, IT'S A REZONING REQUEST AND ALSO A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND ALSO PART OF THE REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A, UM, AN AGREEMENT, UM, THAT, UH, MR. SOUTH HALL WILL, UM, REVIEW THAT WITH YOU ALL WHEN WE GET TO THAT, THAT POINT, UH, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE, UM, THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, RELATED TO MR. CHAIRMAN. IS THERE A NEED TO ADDRESS THE CUP FOR THE MINI STORAGE? I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, DID DID THEY NOT VOTE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE? THEY READ THE, THEY READ THE, IF YOU DID VOTE FERENCE FOR THE REZONING, THE, YOU READ THAT FOR THE REZONING? YES. RIGHT. BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS NUMBER THREE THERE ON THE AGENDA AND THAT NEEDED ITS OWN PUBLIC HEARING IN ITS OWN VOTE. I THOUGHT WE, UM, WILL DO THAT. AND YOU SAID WE'RE REPRESENTING IT NOW? YEAH. WHICH, WHICH CASE ARE YOU PRESENTING? NO, I, UM, MS. CHAIR, I, I PRESENTED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY. YES. THAT'S WHAT WE WAS YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE HAD DONE. AND YOU SAID NO, BUT HE DID, HE PRESENTED BOTH CASES YES. AT ONE TIME. RIGHT. SO THERE WOULD JUST NEED TO BE A, NEED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND TO VOTE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'D DONE. AND YOU KNOW, YOU SAID, SO YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT, OPEN THE PUBLIC AND THEN VOTE? YES SIR. WE WOULD NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN VOTE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. I BELIEVE I, I HAVE, I HAVE IN MY NOTES THAT THERE WAS A VOTE ON THE REZONING CASE. P DASH 24 DASH FIVE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR C DASH 24 DASH FOUR. I KNOW WE DID THAT AND YOU SHOULD STOP IT. SO, YEAH. OKAY. HOPE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CONDITION OF USE PERMIT. ANYONE WANTS, UH, SPEAK ON THAT MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP. CLOSE IT. OKAY. OKAY. YOU'VE HEARD THE CONDITION OF USE PERMIT REQUEST. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, HE DID HIS PRESENTATION ON IT. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. MARK WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE PROPERTIES. EXACTLY. HE WAS PRESENTING THE CASE EXACTLY. CORRECT. CORRECT. YES. OKAY. ALL WE NEED IS A MOTION I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS PRESENTED. SECOND ROLL CALL. UH, YOU GOTTA READ THE STATEMENT ON IT. NO, I HESITATE TO BE PEDANTIC, BUT WE DO NEED TO, WELL WE ALWAYS READ THE STATEMENT AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST READING THAT. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO READ THE STATEMENT. LEMME FIND THE STATEMENT. REALLY QUICK. YOU GOT US ALL CONFUSED HERE. I'M CAUSING ALL KINDS OF DIFFICULTIES TONIGHT. MR. CHAIR. GIMME ONE MINUTE. YEAH. UM, BOS REPORT FOR C REPORT. YEP. THERE YOU GO. LEMME GET TO THE RIGHT PAGE. THANK YOU, SIR. BE RESOLVED IN AN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 8 8 6 SUBSECTION A AND SEVEN. IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR THIS RE FOR WHICH THE RESOLUTION IS INITIATED, IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICES. I MOVE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST C DASH 24 DASH FOUR AS PRESENTED FOR SELF [02:35:01] STORAGE, SELF SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SECOND ROLL CALL MS. EBRA, BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. OKAY, NOW YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. HERE WE GO. COME ON, MARK. WE'RE [12.D. Rezoning Case, P-24-2, Flowers Solar, LLC] MOVING ON TO D ARE WE OKAY, MR. SOUTH? OFF? GOOD. NOW, WHEN I HEARD HIM TALKING ABOUT THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS, I SAID, WAIT, WE NEED TO DO THE ONE FIRST. , I APOLOGIZE. I MIGHT HAVE JUMPED THE GUN ON THAT ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MM-HMM . UH, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS CASE, UM, I WILL GO THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE REQUESTED REZONING, UM, TO THE SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT. AND THEN I'LL GO THROUGH THE, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, FOR THE, UH, FACILITY THAT'S BEING, UH, REQUESTED THIS EVENING. UM, ON THE SLIDE, UH, JUST FOR THE, THE PUBLIC'S NOTIFICATION AS WELL AS THE BOARD, UM, THIS IS THE OVERALL, UH, CONCEPT PLAN. UH, FOR THE SUBJECT REQUEST WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING FOR REZONING IS CURRENTLY ZONED A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL. AND, UM, THERE'S ONE PARCEL THAT ABUTS THE, UH, RAILROAD TRACKS. UM, WHERE AND THE TRANSMISSION LINES, UM, GO THROUGH THE CENTER OF THAT. IT'S A 50 ACRE PARCEL AGAIN IN THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT, UH, THAT ABUTS UP TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS OWNED M TWO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL CURRENTLY. AND AGAIN, THE OVERALL PROPERTY 228 ACRES, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO THE UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT. NOW THEY'RE THE REQUEST IF APPROVED, UH, FOR REZONING. THEY'RE ALSO, AGAIN REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A 20 MEGAWATT ALTERNATING CURRENT SOLAR VOLTAIC ELECTRIC GENERATION PROJECT. ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE AND GREEN AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT DENOTES THE 75 FOOT, UM, VEGETATIVE BUFFER. UM, THAT INCLUDES THE EXISTING VEGETATION IN PURPLE. AND THEN THE, WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTING GREEN, THAT WOULD BE A NEW 75 FOOT, UH, VEGETATIVE BUFFER THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, THE SOLAR PANELS THEMSELVES WOULD COVER APPROXIMATELY 94 ACRES OF THE SITE, AND THE FENCED AREA OF THE SITE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 145 ACRES. SO THE PANELS WOULD COVER 41% OF THE LEASED AREA OF THE SITE, AND 65% OF THE AREA OF THE SITE WOULD BE FENCED. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, ALSO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, WOULD BE ACCESSED FROM THE, UH, FROM THE NORTH BY WALKER'S POND DRIVE, UM, FROM RIVER ROAD, THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHERN ACCESS POINT AND THE SOUTHERN ACCESS POINT. UM, THERE WOULD BE ONE ACCESS POINT, UH, ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, FROM ROUTE FOUR 60. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE IS, UM, DISSECTED BY WALLACE CREEK, UM, DIVIDING THIS, YOU KNOW, DIVIDING THE SOUTHERN PORTION, UM, FROM THE NORTHERN PORTION BY WALLACE CREEK. AND THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S GENERALLY, UM, CONSIDERED A WETLANDS AREA ON THE SITE. AND THAT THOSE WETLANDS AREA, OF COURSE, WOULD NOT INCLUDE DEVELOPED AREA WITH SOLAR PANEL ARRAYS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, OTHER THAN THE, UH, ONE PARCEL, UH, THAT'S OWNED M TWO ON THE, FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, UM, TO THE NORTHWEST AND WEST ARE, IS CURRENTLY ZONE A TWO AGRICULTURAL. UH, THE TYNDALL PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, OF COURSE IS OWNED M TWO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL. AND THEN THE NEW NEWLY DEVELOPED DOLLAR GENERAL SITE THAT'S OWNED B TWO COMMERCIAL [02:40:01] WALMART DISTRIBUTION ACROSS THE STREET IS OWNED, UH, M1 INDUSTRIAL. UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, OOPS, HIGHLIGHT THAT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE ORANGE AREA, UH, IS THE PLANNED, IT'S CONSIDERED WITHIN THE PLANNED GROWTH AREA IN THE RECENTLY NEWLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN THE PINK AREA IS THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER, A PORTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, CONSIDERS THAT WE WOULD HAVE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES FOR THAT PORTION, UH, OF THE PROPERTY. AND ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PLANNED GROWTH AREA WOULD HAVE, UM, LIMITED, UH, RESIDENTIAL GROWTH IN THE FUTURE. GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE JUST FOR REFERENCE. UM, LOOKING AT THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE'S ALSO RELEVANT SECTIONS WE BELIEVE, UH, WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT RELATED TO PRIME AGRICULTURAL LAND. UM, THERE IS A PORTION ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY UP NEAR THE RAILROAD, UM, THAT'S CONSIDERED PRIME AGRICULTURAL LAND, UM, SENSITIVE LANDS AND HABITATS. UM, AIR AND LIGHT RELATED TO, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, MAINTAIN VEGETATIVE BUFFERS ALONG MAJOR ROAD CORRIDORS, BOTH TO ENHANCE AESTHETIC BEAUTY AND PROVIDE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS. UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE, UM, THAT THAT IS AT A ELEVATION THAT'S, UM, LOWER THAN THE RAILROAD TRACKS. AND ALSO THE APPLICANT IS, UM, CONTEMPLATING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING VEGETATIVE BUFFER THAT'S 75 FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER. AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN AGAIN. UM, THEY WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BUFFER FOR THAT PORTION OF THE SITE. UM, LAND USE, WE DISCUSSED THE LAND USE, THE ZONING AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, SECTIONS RELATED TO, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, LOOKING AT THE OVERALL IMPACTS, THE, UH, IN THE APPLICATION, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE COVERED, UH, NATURAL RESOURCES, UM, THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES. UM, THERE SEEM TO BE NO THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES RELATED TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THEY HAVE DONE. UH, THOSE STUDIES RELATED TO THAT, UH, WETLANDS ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THEY HAVE DONE THE WETLANDS DELINEATION AND THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE, UH, ATTEMPTED TO AVOID THE WETLANDS AREAS, UH, ON THE SITE, UH, WITH THE PANEL ARRAYS NOT AFFECTING THOSE AREAS. ALSO TO NOTE, UH, THE ELECTRICAL LINES WOULD, THEY WOULD BORE UNDER THE WETLANDS, UM, AND ALSO UNDER THE RAILROAD, UH, TO CONNECT, TO CONNECT TO THE DOMINION ENERGY GRID, UM, THAT THAT WOULD BE LOCATED BETWEEN ROUTE FOUR 60 AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS. UM, THEY ALSO DID THE CULTURAL AND HIS AND HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. UM, THERE ARE, UM, TWO BATTLEFIELD SITES, UH, THAT ARE WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THAT'S SUB AND THE STATION BATTLEFIELD AND PETERSBURG BATTLEFIELD. UM, BASICALLY THAT RUN THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE. UH, AS THE APPLICANT NOTED, THERE HAS BEEN EXTENSIVE, UM, AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE TO THE AREA OVER THE YEARS, UH, WITH THE FARMING AGRICULTURAL, UH, PRACTICES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE ON THE, THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, THEREFORE THEY FEEL THAT THE PROJECT WOULD NOT HAVE AN ANY IMPACT ON THE, THE HISTORIC RESOURCES. UM, LOOKING FURTHER AT THE ACREAGE ON THE PROPERTY, UM, 145 ACRES, AGAIN, WOULD BE WITHIN THE FENCED AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND, UM, 12% OF THE ACTIVELY OF THAT [02:45:01] 144 ACRES IS BEING USED CURRENTLY FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION. PRIME FARMLAND THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PRACTICES, UM, THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE PROJECT IS, UM, 11% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT AREA OR 26 ACRES. UM, LOOKING AT THE FISCAL IMPACT, UM, FOR M AND T REVENUE RELATED TO THE SOLAR PROJECT, UH, THERE WOULD BE, UH, $3.5 MILLION FROM THE TAX ON THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN MACHINERY AND TOOLS. AND APPROXIMATELY 700, UM, $700,000 FROM THE INCREASED APPRAISED, INCREASED APPRAISED VALUE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE SOLAR PROJECT, AND ALSO THERE WOULD BE A ONE-TIME PAYMENT OF COURSE FOR ROLLBACK TAXES. I'M LOOKING AT THE REVENUE SHARE. UM, IF REVENUE SHARE WAS, UH, THE OPTION WAS USED FOR THE PROJECT, THAT WOULD BRING APPROXIMATELY $2.4 MILLION OVER 40 YEARS TO THE PROJECT. AND PLUS THE, UM, $700,000 FROM THE INCREASED APPRAISED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. UH, RELATED TO THE SOLAR PROJECT. UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACTS, I DID DISCUSS THERE WOULD BE A, A NORTHERN ENTRANCE USING WALKER'S POND DRIVE, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A, UH, SOUTHERN ENTRANCE OFF OF FOUR 60 THAT WOULD BE USED. UM, THEY HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TWO ENTRANCES ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE OFF OF FOUR 60. UM, BUT AFTER, UH, RECEIVING COMMENTS FROM VDOT, UM, THEY WOULD ONLY USE ONE ENTRANCE ON THE EASTERN END OF THE SITE TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY. UM, DECOMMISSIONING, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED AN EXTENSIVE DECOMMISSIONING, UH, PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY. AND NOW I'D LIKE TO, UM, RELATED TO THE IMPACTS ON THE PROPERTY. I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, THAT WERE, UM, ORIGINALLY, UH, PROPOSED BY STAFF AND THEN REVIEWED BY THE APPLICANT. AND YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR PACKET, WE DID SUBMIT A RED LINE, UH, COPY, COPY OF THE CONDITIONS, AND THEN A FINAL CLEAN COPY OF THOSE CONDITIONS AS WELL. UM, LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS, UH, RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, THERE WOULD BE LIMITATION OF USE OF THE SITE, UH, FOR THE PROJECT, UM, JUST INDICATING THAT IT WOULD BE A 20 MEGAWATT, UM, UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ENERGY PROJECT. AND WE DEFINED THE PROJECT AREA AND WHAT'S INVOLVED, UH, WITH THE OVERALL PROJECT. UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE DURATION AND USE OF THE, UH, PERMIT, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, DEFINE WHO THE APPLICANT IS. UM, AND THEN CONDITION FOUR, WE GO OVER THE STUDIES AND PLANS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. THAT WOULD INVOLVE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN, A CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, A TRAFFIC AND A TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN, AND ALSO A ROAD REPAIR PLAN THAT WOULD COVER ANY REPAIRS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO, UM, THE ROADS INVOLVED WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ALSO, THE PUBLIC REMOTE ROAD, UH, ROADS THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY VDOT. THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO SUBMIT A LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, AS PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT. AND THE APPLICANT, UH, HAS AGREED TO A $10,000 LANDSCAPING BOND, UM, AS PART OF THE PROJECT, UH, FOR 10 YEARS OF LIFE OF THE PROJECT TO ENSURE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE VEGETATIVE BUFFERS THAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER, THAT 75 FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER. WE ALSO TALK ABOUT BUILDING AND ELECTRICAL PLANS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE BUILDING CODE AND ELECTRIC CODE. UM, THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND HISTORIC SURVEY STUDIES WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, SUBMITTED AND PROVIDE COPIES TO THE COUNTY, UH, FOR THOSE THEY WOULD HAVE, UH, LIABILITY INSURANCE CERTIFICATE [02:50:01] FOR THE PROJECT. UM, ALSO WE DISCUSSED A, UH, GRADING PLAN, UH, FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY EROSION, SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND OF COURSE THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE DONE AS PART OF, UM, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE PLACE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, REIMBURSEMENTS FOR THIRD PARTY REVIEWS AND INSPECTIONS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THOSE ARE COVERED AS WELL. UM, THE SITE PLAN FEATURES ARE NOTED WITHIN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AGAIN, COVERING THAT 75 FOOT WIDE, UH, SETBACK AND VEGETATIVE BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. TALK ABOUT ACCESS TO THE PROJECT. AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE FROM WALKER'S POND DRIVE, AND THEN FROM ONE ENTRANCE OFF OF ROUTE FOUR 60. I'LL ALSO DISCUSS LIGHTING. LIGHTING WOULD HAVE TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND NOT, UM, CAST OVER ONTO THE ANY ADJOINING PROPERTIES. TALK ABOUT ACCESS AND INSPECTIONS TO THE PROPERTY. UM, TRAINING THE APPLICANT WOULD PROVIDE, UH, TRAINING TO, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, UH, RELATED TO THE SOLAR ENERGY PROJECT. UM, TALK ABOUT COMPLIANCE. UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING RELATED TO THE PROJECT WAS GROUND WATER MONITORING. UM, WE INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITION AS AS PART OF THE PROJECT. UM, APPLICANTS, UH, SUGGESTING EVERY QUARTER, UH, FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF OPERATION, UH, THEY WOULD DO GROUND WATER MONITORING AND THEN ONCE EACH YEAR AFTER THAT, UM, GROUNDWATER MONITORING WOULD TAKE PLACE AS WELL RELATED TO THE SOLAR FACILITY. UM, ALSO COVER TAXATION RELATED TO THE PROJECT AND, UM, PROJECT COMPONENTS AND DESIGN. AND THEN CONDITION 14, THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN. UM, THAT'S EXTENSIVELY, UH, COVERED IN THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS WELL. ALSO TALK ABOUT, UH, IN THE CONDITIONS, THE PERMITS AND REPORTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE, UH, PROJECT APPROVAL, UH, CONDITION 16, UH, THERE WOULD BE A PROJECT LIAISON THAT WOULD WORK DIRECTLY WITH COUNTY STAFF AND OTHER REVIEW AGENCIES RELATED TO THE PROJECT, AND WE WOULD HAVE, UM, DIRECT CONTACT WITH THAT PROJECT LIAISON IF ANY ISSUES COME UP RELATED TO THE PROJECT. AND THEN CONDITIONS, UM, 17, 18, AND 19, WE JUST TALK ABOUT ANNUAL REVIEW COMPLIANCE WITH ALL RELATED LAWS TO THE FACILITY. UH, WE TALK ABOUT VIOLATIONS AND REVOCATION IF WE HAVE TO ISSUE ANY STOP WORK ORDERS THAT'S COVERED UNDER THE CONDITIONS. AND, UM, IF THERE ARE EXTENSIVE, UH, EXTENDED VIOLATIONS, UM, THERE'S PROVISIONS FOR THE REVOCATION OF THE CUP. THAT'S ALL I HAVE RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE SUBJECT CONDITIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REZONING REQUEST OR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? MY QUESTION MARK, JUST ONE QUESTION. YES. UM, AT, AT THIS POINT, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS LAND IS IN TIMBER COMPARED TO BEING AG TILLED? YES, I DO. I DO HAVE THAT. LET ME, YEAH. 66% OF THE PROPOSED SITE IS MADE UP OF FOREST LAND. 37% IS CONSIDERED MIXED FOREST. AROUND 19% IS EVERGREEN FOREST AND 9% IS DECIDUOUS FOREST LAND. AND, [02:55:08] AND APPROXIMATELY 15% OF THE SITE IS DESIGNATED AS CULTIVATED CROPS. RIGHT? YEAH. I'M LOOKING AT IT AS THERE'S TWO WAYS OF REVENUE ON THE PROPERTY. ONE IS THROUGH TIMBER AND ONE IS THROUGH AGRICULTURAL CROPS. I PRESUME I'M CORRECT ON THAT. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND AT, AT THIS TIME, DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE RETENTION PONDS THAT WOULD BE BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEAS ABOUT THAT? OR CAN THE APPLICANT MAYBE CAN ANSWER THAT? UM, I'D HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO COVER THAT. I DON'T HAVE THE, UH, PROPOSED NUMBER OF PONDS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED RELATED TO THE PROJECT. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. OKAY. WOULD APPLICANT LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT? THANK YOU. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? IS THIS WORKING? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY, GREAT. MAYBE YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE MORE. YEAH, LET, LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN. 'CAUSE I, I, I TEND TO SPEAK QUIETLY, SO LEMME KNOW. YOU CAN HEAR ME PULL IT DOWN TO YOU. SO THERE YOU IS. THAT BETTER? THERE YOU GO. THAT'S THAT BETTER. THAT'S MAN. GREAT. UM, YEAH, THANKS. APPRECIATE THE TIME. UH, MY NAME'S ROBERT WHITE. I AM THE CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER OF ACTUALIZED SOLAR POWER. UM, ACTUALIZED SOLAR POWER IS, IS ONE OF THE JOINT VENTURE OWNERS OF GREEN VOLT, UH, POWER ACTUALIZE, WHICH OWNS THE FLOWER PROJECT. THE GREEN VAULT SIDE IS A, UH, UH, YOU ARE A BASE BUT US OWNED, UM, WHERE GREENVILLE'S 70% OWNED BY A, A US INVESTMENT, UH, UH, FUND. SO, UM, IT GREEN HAS EIGHT GIGAWATTS OF, OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE WITH ABOUT THREE GIGAWATTS, UH, READY TO BUILD. SO THEN A COUPLE OF GIGAWATTS OF OPERATING. SO, UH, ON THE ACTUALIZED SOLAR POWER, I'VE, I'VE BEEN DEVELOPING PROJECTS FOR 27 YEARS. UM, I'VE BEEN, BEEN DOING THIS, UH, PURE DEVELOPMENT OF, OF, UH, UH, SINCE 2005 THAT HAS BEEN PROBABLY, UH, 80 TO 90%, UH, RENEWAL ENERGY PROJECT. SO WORKED IN THE POWER INDUSTRY FOR EIGHT YEARS IN OPERATIONS BEFORE THAT. AND I'LL, I'LL DATE MYSELF BY TELLING YOU, I HAD A 10 YEAR CAREER PRIOR TO THAT IN FINANCIAL AND MANUFACTURING POSITIONS. SO IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. UM, SO, UM, THE, UH, IF WE COULD JUST JUMP TO THE, THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, IT'S, IT'S THE ONE YOU JUST SAW. UM, THIS IS A SMALL DISTRIBUTION, UM, UH, CONNECTED PROJECT. IT'S NOT A, UH, IT IS NOT A UTILITY SCALE PROJECT, UTILITY SCALE IN A SENSE OF THE POWER INDUSTRY. I KNOW YOUR, YOUR ORDINANCE DEFINES IT AS UTILITY SCALE 'CAUSE IT'S OVER OVER FIVE MEGAWATTS. BUT IN THE INDUSTRY WE DEFINE UTILITY SCALE AS CONNECTING TWO TRANSMISSION LINES. WE DO NOT CONNECT THE TRANSMISSION LINES. WE CONNECT TO THE DISTRIBUTION LINE, UH, THAT IS, UH, ALONG, UH, UH, COX ROAD THERE. UM, AND, UM, OUR, OUR INTERCONNECTION IS NOT A SUBSTATION. UM, YOU, YOU'VE PROBABLY ALL SEEN SUBSTATIONS. OURS IS SIMPLY FOUR POLES. UM, AND ON THOSE FOUR POLES, THERE ARE A SERIES OF, OF BREAKERS, SWITCHES, RELAYS, AND, AND, UH, TRANSFORMER. UM, WE WILL COME, UH, UH, AS, AS MR. BASSETT MENTIONED, WE WILL, WE WILL BORE UNDER THE RAILROAD, UM, AND STAY UNDERGROUND UNTIL WE GET TO THOSE FOUR POLES. AND THEN WE'LL COME UP, UH, ABOVE, ABOVE GROUND TO, TO CONNECT TO THE, UH, DOMINION, UM, DISTRIBUTION, UH, UH, SYSTEM. UM, WE ARE, UM, WE DO HAVE A POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT, UH, TO SELL THE POWER TO A, UM, A LOCAL POWER COMPANY. UM, UM, I'M GONNA EXPLAIN WHY I SAY IT THAT WAY. UM, BECAUSE OUR CONTRACT WITH THAT COMPANY, UH, PROHIBITS ME FROM TELLING YOU WHO THEY ARE. YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHO THEY ARE. BY WHO? BY WHO I'M CONNECTING TO. OKAY. SO, BUT I CAN'T TELL, I CAN'T SAY IT. OKAY. SO, UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S PRETTY EVIDENT. BUT, BUT OUR POWER WILL, WILL PROVIDE, UM, UM, POWER TO SERVICE ABOUT 3000 HOMES. UM, AND THE OTHER THING IT DOES IS IT DOES PROVIDE SOME GRID RESILIENCE. MEANING IF, FOR SOME REASON THE POWER OFF OF THE TRANSMISSION LINE THAT, THAT SERVES THIS AREA, THIS IS AREA IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. OUR, WE CAN STILL PRODUCE POWER. WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED THEIR POWER TO PRODUCE OUR POWER. SO IN THE LOCAL AREA, UM, THE GRID WILL BE MORE RESILIENT BECAUSE OF OUR, OUR PRODUCTION OF POWER. SO, UM, THE ACTUAL USAGE OF OUR POWER, UM, WILL HAPPEN LOCALLY. MEANING THE, THE IT POWER IS JUST LIKE WATER. YOU KNOW, YOU TURN A FAUCET ON WHEREVER THE WATER WAS PUT IN THE FIRST FAUCET THAT'S OPEN, THE WATER COMES OUT POWER'S THE SAME WAY. ELECTRONS ARE ELECTRONS, UH, THEY COME OUT, THE FIRST, UH, FIRST SWITCH THAT TURNED ON THE ELECTRONS COME, COME OUT. SO, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND US, WHEN THEY TURN THEIR SWITCH ON, IT'S GONNA BE OUR POWER THAT'S, THAT'S TURNING ON THEIR LIGHTS OR RUNNING THEIR, THEIR AIR CONDITIONING, UH, ET CETERA. SO, UM, SO THERE'S SOME, SOME LOCAL BENEFITS TO, UH, TO HAVING A DISTRIBUTION, UM, [03:00:01] PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO A, UM, A, UH, UH, CONNECTING TO TRANSMISSION LINES. SO, UM, THE, UM, AS, UM, AS MARK, UH, MENTIONED, THIS IS, UH, THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE DID MEET WITH, UM, WE, THE, THE WATER COMPANY OWNS PROPERTY THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE OUR INTERCONNECTION IS GONNA BE. AND THEY OWN THAT LITTLE BLOCK THAT STICKS UP NORTH OF THE RAILROAD. WE DID MEET WITH THEM. UM, THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, WHETHER THAT LITTLE, THEY, THEY HAVE A VALVE THAT, THAT IS UNDER A PIPE THAT'S UNDER THE RAILROAD AND A VALVED OFF, UH, NORTH OF THE RAILROAD. THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THEM BEING ABLE TO GET OUT OF, UM, FROM THERE, UM, WHETHER WE'D BE BLOCKING THEM. UM, THERE ARE SOME NATURAL CORRIDORS BUILT IN BY THE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT ARE THERE. ONE OF THOSE TRANSMISSION LINES IS OWNED BY DOMINION. THE OTHER ONE, ONE IS OWNED BY CO-OP. UM, SO THOSE, THOSE NATURAL CORRIDOR DOORS. UM, BUT WE ALSO ASSURED 'EM THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE DON'T, WE, WE WILL NOT BLOCK THEM FROM, FROM GETTING THROUGH THE LAND THAT, THAT WE'RE ON. OUR, OUR LEASES ARE EXCLUSIVE TO SOLAR. UM, SO, UM, I CAN'T STOP THE LANDOWNER FROM LETTING THE WATER COMPANY, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH. SO I, I CAN ONLY USE IT FOR SOLAR. UM, SO, UM, MR. BAIT MENTIONED THAT IT'S, IT'S BUFFERED IN ITS ENTIRETY. THE PURPLE AREA IS RETAINED, UM, VEGETATION. THE, UM, GREEN AREAS ARE PLANTED VEGETATION. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS RETAINED NATURAL, UH, VEGETATION THAT WILL RETAIN THE, UH, UM, I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES IN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THESE AREAS LOOK LIKE. THE, UM, ALONG THE FRONT WHERE THE RAILROAD IS, THE HEIGHT OF THE RAILROAD, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROJECT IS HIGH ENOUGH THAT IT BLOCKS THE VIEW OF THE PANELS. YOU'LL SEE THE GREEN AREA ON TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE OF, OF THE RAILROAD. THERE WERE NO TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD. AND BECAUSE THE RAILROAD IS COMING, COMING DOWN, AND ACTUALLY THE RAILROAD'S NOT COMING DOWN, THE RAILROAD'S FLAT, THE GROUND IS COMING UP, UM, TO WHERE THE RAILROAD IS AT GRAY AT RIDGE ROAD. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE LOWER COMPARED TO THE GROUND IN THAT, THAT GREEN AREA. SO WE'LL BE PLANTING, UM, VEGETATION JUST NORTH OF THE RAILROAD TO UH, BLOCK THAT, UH, THAT VISIBILITY IN THAT, IN THAT SECTION WHERE THE RAILROAD'S NOT HIGH ENOUGH TO, UH, TO DO IT. UM, WALKER'S POND ROAD, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES. ONE FROM ONE FROM COX ROAD TO GET TO THE SOUTHERN PART. UH, THE OTHER, THE NORTHERN, UH, ACCESS IS WE WILL BE COMING UP, UH, S ROAD DOWN RIVER ROAD AND THEN DOWN, UH, WALKER'S POND ROAD TO GET TO, UH, THE NORTHERN, UH, PARTS OF THE PROJECT. THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS THE WETLAND THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT, UM, I DID NOT, I WANTED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT, UH, ON THAT WETLAND. SO I DON'T WANNA BUILD A ROAD ACROSS THAT WETLAND. UM, THE ONLY IMPACT ON THAT WETLAND IS OUR, UH, OUR POWER LINE. UM, THAT WILL BE BO UNDER THE WETLAND. UM, TECHNICALLY THAT IS AN IMPACT SCENE. WE NEED TO GET A WETLAND PERMIT TO DO THAT, BUT IN FACT, IT REALLY DOESN'T IMPACT 'CAUSE YOU'RE BORE UNDER IT. UM, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BUILDING A ROAD OR ANYTHING. OUR ONLY CONNECTION FROM THE NORTHERN PART TO THE SOUTHERN PART, UH, IS THAT, IS THAT POWER LINE THAT WE'LL BE BOARD UNDER. UM, THE, UH, SO WE, WE, WE HAVE CONFIRMED OUR RIGHT TO USE, UM, UH, WALKER'S POND ROAD. IT'S NOT A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT, UH, IT'S A, UM, A RIGHT BY GRANTED BY DEED. UM, SO THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE UNDER LEASE, UH, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, THE RIGHT TO, TO USE THE ROAD. UM, WE HAVE, UM, COMMITTED TO, UM, MAINTAINING THAT ROAD. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO UPGRADE SOME PARTS OF IT. UM, PROBABLY MOST OF IT, UM, I MEAN, IT'S PART, PARTS OF IT RIGHT NOW ARE PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD FOR, FOR CAR TRAVEL. UM, BUT WE'LL NEED TO UPGRADE PARTS OF IT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PARTS WHERE IT'S RUTTED AND, AND SANDY, UM, THAT EVEN TODAY PROBABLY SHOULD BE UPGRADED. UM, BUT WE WILL BE UPGRADING THAT AND WE, UH, WE WILL BE MAINTAINING IT FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. WE HAVE DRAFTED A, UM, A, UH, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT. UM, THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT WAS CREATED WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN THIS ROAD WAS, WHEN THEY ATTEMPTED TO, UM, TURN, TURN THIS INTO A PUBLIC ROAD. AND IT WAS DENIED. AND SO THEN THEY CREATED THIS MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WHERE ALL THE LANDOWNERS AGREED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. SO WE'VE, WE'VE DRAFTED AN AMENDMENT TO THAT AGREEMENT THAT, UM, PUTS THE OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN IT ON US FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. WE HAVE PRESENTED THAT TO THE LANDOWNERS ALONG WALKERS POND ROAD. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY CAN, WE'D LIKE THEM TO SIGN IT, BUT WHETHER THEY SIGN IT OR NOT, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S E EITHER WAY, IF THEY SIGN IT, GREAT. IF THEY DON'T SIGN IT, WE'RE STILL GONNA MAINTAIN THE ROAD. UM, SO, AND WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT ALL THE WAY TO, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL THERE, BUT YOU SEE THE TOP PART THAT'S GREEN, IT FORMS LIKE THE EASTERN SIDE FORMS LIKE A BACKWARDS L UM, JUST PAST THERE, UM, [03:05:01] IS, IS WHERE THE, UH, THE ACCESS TO THE LAST HOME AT, AT THE END OF WALKER'S POND ROAD. SO WE'RE GONNA, ACTUALLY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD IT THAT FAR, BUT WE'RE GONNA BUILD, WE'RE GONNA UPGRADE IT THAT FAR AND MAINTAIN IT ALL THE WAY TO, SO THE LAST HOMEOWNER GETS THE, GETS THE ADVANTAGE ALL THE WAY TO THEIR, UH, TO THEIR HOUSE. UM, WE WERE ASKED, UM, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, UM, TO CONSIDER, UM, UPGRADING IT TO MAKE IT A, A PUBLIC ROAD. UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT THE END OF THE ROAD WHERE THEY WANTED A PUBLIC ROAD. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH IF YOU MAKE IT A PUBLIC ROAD THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT. UM, BUT, BUT WE, WE LOOKED INTO IT. UM, IT'S ABOUT, UM, $3.35 MILLION PLUS ABOUT ANOTHER THREE TO $400,000 TO RELOCATE UTILITIES. UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE ROAD'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, UH, RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT NOW TO MAKE IT A PUBLIC ROAD. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, UH, GET ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY. WE DON'T HAVE A EMINENT DOMAIN RIGHTS. UH, SO I CANNOT ASSURE ANYBODY THAT I CAN ACTUALLY GET THAT RIGHT AWAY. THAT ONE LANDOWNER COULD SAY NO. UM, AND THEN I CAN'T, I CAN'T TURN IT INTO A PUBLIC ROAD. UM, SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE, THE COST IS, IS ABOUT 10%, UH, OF OUR, OUR, UH, CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE PROJECT. SO IT'S A, IT, IT, IT'S REALLY MORE THAN WE COULD AFFORD TO, UH, TO DO. 10 PERCENT'S A BIG INCREASE IN IN OUR, UH, UH, IN OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS. UM, DECOMMISSIONING WAS MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE QUITE A ROBUST, UH, CONDITION ON, ON, ON DECOMMISSIONING. UH, WE WILL BE PROPO, UM, POSTING SECURITY. UM, SECURITY COULD BE A LETTER OF CREDIT, COULD BE A, UH, A PERFORMANCE BOND. UM, EITHER, EITHER WAY. THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT PERFORMANCE BONDS AND THE VALIDITY. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE STANDARDS FOR, FOR BONDING COMPANIES, UM, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN CREATE A MINIMUM STANDARD THAT IT WOULD BE ABOVE TO MAKE SURE THE BONDING COMPANY'S GONNA BE THERE. IF IT WERE EVER NOT, IF, IF THE BONDING COMPANY WERE TO EVER CEASE TO EXIST. WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE SECURITY WITH ANOTHER FORM OF SECURITY, UM, UH, WITHIN, UH, A FAIRLY SHORT TIME. I THINK IT'S, UH, 30 DAYS WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT. SO, AND THAT DECOMMISSIONING COSTS WILL BE UP, UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS. UM, SO AS THINGS CHANGE, UM, COSTS GO UP, COSTS GO DOWN, SALVAGE VALUE GOES UP, SALVAGE VALUE GOES DOWN. UM, EVERY FIVE YEARS WE'LL DO THAT. THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION THAT IF, UM, THERE'S A CUMULATIVE INCREASE IN CPI OF 20% OR MORE, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO, THAT WOULD TRIGGER, UH, A, UH, A REDO OF THE DECOMMISSION COST. SO LET'S JUST SAY WE HAD A, WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS, LIKE WE DID, WE'VE HAD IN THE RECENT PAST WHERE YOU HIT 20% IN, IN SAY, THREE YEARS. WELL, THEN WE'D HAVE TO DO IT IN THREE YEARS, NOT FIVE. UM, SO, UM, SO, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO, UH, IN THE CONDITION HAS A MINIMUM, UH, AMOUNT OF 30% OF THE DECOMMISSIONING COST WITHOUT REGARD TO THE SALVAGE VALUE RIGHT NOW. UM, THE, THE MATERIALS THAT ARE USED IN, IN THESE PROJECTS ARE VERY RECYCLABLE. THERE'S A LOT OF STEEL, A LOT OF ALUMINUM, A LOT OF COPPER. UH, THE PANELS THEMSELVES HAVE MATERIALS IN 'EM THAT THE PANEL COMPANIES REALLY WANT THEM BACK SO THEY CAN BE RECYCLED. UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THINGS LIKE CONCRETE AND STUFF, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, UM, EVERY, MOST EVERYTHING CAN BE RECYCLED. SO IF YOU DO A DECOMMISSIONING STUDY, AND WE DID, AND WE INCLUDED IT IN THE, UH, IN THE APPLICATION, THE SALVAGE VA VALUE ACTUALLY IS GREATER THAN THE DECOMMISSIONING COSTS. OKAY? SO IF ALL WE HAD WAS, UM, I JUST GOTTA PUT UP A BOND FOR DECOMMISSIONING COSTS, LESS THE SALVAGE VALUE, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY BOND TO GIVE YOU, I WOULDN'T GIVE YOU ANY BOND. SO WHAT WE BUILT INTO IT IS A 30% MINIMUM, OKAY? AND IT SAYS, FORGET THE SALVAGE VALUE. TAKE THE DECOMMISSIONING. IF, IF THE SALVAGE, IF THE DECOMMISSIONING COSTS LESS, THE SALVAGE VALUE BRINGS IT DOWN TO LESS THAN 30% OF THE DECOMMISSIONING COSTS. WITHOUT CONSIDERATION FOR THE SALVAGE VALUE, WE HAVE TO POST 30%. NOW, IF THE DECOMMISSIONING COSTS LESS, THE SALVAGE VALUE IS GREATER THAN THE 30%, THEN WE GOTTA POST WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT IS. AND THEN IF EVER TURNS OUT THAT THERE IS NO SALVAGE VALUE, WHICH IS KIND OF HARD TO, TO COMPREHEND, UM, THEN, UH, THEN WE'D HAVE TO JUST POST A TOTAL, TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE, OF THE DECOMMISSIONING. UM, AND THIS IS A CONDITION TO OUR PERMIT. SO IF WE DON'T DO THIS , YOU CAN, YOU CAN YANK OUR PERMIT. WE'RE OUT OF BUSINESS. UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT, THAT SIMPLE. UM, MR. BASSETT MENTIONED THE, THE AGRICULTURAL IMPACTS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MINIMAL, UH, ONLY 12%, UH, IS, UH, IS, IS FARMLAND. IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY MINIMAL IMPACT. UM, THE, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES. UM, THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF STUDIES, UM, DONE ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES, UM, [03:10:01] WITH REGARDS TO, UH, SOLAR PROJECTS. UM, THERE'S, UM, WISCONSIN, MINNESOTA, UH, PENNSYLVANIA, RHODE ISLAND AND NORTH CAROLINA, VIRGINIA. UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NU NUMBER OF 'EM, AND I HAVE A SUMMARY OF, OF, OF SOME OF THEM. BUT EVERY ONE OF THEM CONCLUDED THAT THERE WAS, UH, NO MEASURABLE IMPACT. UM, NO, I SHOULD SAY NO MEASURABLE NEGATIVE IMPACT. I'LL TELL YOU THAT SOME, SOME PEOPLE ARGUE THERE'S A POSITIVE IMPACT. I WILL STAND UP HERE AND TELL YOU THERE'S A POSITIVE IMPACT. OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT, BUT I WON'T. UM, THE, UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S, ALL THE STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE, HAVE, HAVE SHOWN THAT THERE'S REALLY NO, UH, NO IMPACT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, LESS THAT, THAT MAKES, THAT, THAT'S NO IMPACT IS BUFFERING. OKAY? SO WHEN YOU BUFFER A PROJECT WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT, THEN, THEN THAT, THAT GREATLY REDUCES, UM, THE CHANCE OF ANY, ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT. AND AS I SAID, THIS IS, THIS IS FULLY, UH, FULLY BUFFERED, UM, IS MENTIONED THAT WE WILL HAVE TEST WELLS, UM, AROUND THE SITE. UH, THE EXACT LOCATIONS WILL BE DETERMINED AS, AS PART OF OUR, OUR FINAL SITE PLAN. UM, WE WILL TEST THOSE, UH, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ON THE SITE, UM, AND TAKE, TAKE SAMPLES, UH, RUN THE, RUN AN ANALYSIS. WE WILL DO IT AT THE END OF CONSTRUCTION. UH, AND THEN WE'LL DO DO IT QUARTERLY FOR THE FIRST YEAR. UM, AND, UH, ANNUALLY, UH, THEREAFTER, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'LL BE ANY IMPACT, UM, TO THE, UH, TO THE GROUNDWATER. UM, THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF, UH, UH, TESTS DONE. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH TCLP TESTS, UM, BUT IT'S A TOXIC CHARACTERISTIC LEACHING, UM, UM, PROCEDURE. UM, AND IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A STANDARD THAT'S BEEN AROUND, THAT'S HAS BEEN AROUND FOR MANY YEARS. I, I, UM, I USED TO IN A, IN A PREVIOUS CAREER, I USED TO, UH, DEAL WITH IT ON A, ON A REGULAR BASIS. UM, BUT, UM, THE, UH, UM, NOW THEY, THEY, THEY CHANGED THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT FOR DIFFERENT MATERIALS. BUT, UM, ALL THE TCLP TESTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON SOLAR PANELS, UM, HAVE INDICATED THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS THAT LEACH INTO, UH, INTO THE GROUND. AND THEY'VE STUDIED, STUDIED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. THEY'VE STUDIED JUST PANELS, UM, JUST THE WAY THEY ARE INSTALLED. THEY'VE STUDIED PANELS THAT HAVE BEEN BROKEN, UM, TO SEE IF MAYBE THE WATER LEECHES IN THE CRACKS. UM, AND THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NO, UM, IMPACT THERE. UM, AND, AND THEY'VE ALSO STUDIED THEM, UM, LIKE WHEN THEY'RE KIND OF CRUSHED UP IF YOU'RE GONNA STICK 'EM IN A LANDFILL. NOW, WE DON'T INTEND TO STICK OURS IN A LANDFILL BECAUSE THEY CAN BE RECYCLED. BUT, UM, IN, IN ANY OF THOSE THREE SCENARIOS, THERE'S BEEN NO, UH, LEACHING OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THESE PANELS, UM, ARE BUILT, UM, KIND OF LIKE, UM, YOUR, YOUR WINDSHIELD, UM, IN YOUR CAR, WHERE IF YOUR WINDSHIELD CRACKS, UM, UM, I'M OLD ENOUGH, AND PERHAPS SOME OF YOU ARE TO REMEMBER WHEN WINDSHIELDS, IF IT, IF IT CRACKED, IT WOULD SHATTER AND IT'S GONE. UM, AND, AND IN A FLOOR, YOUR CAR, YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF LITTLE BITS OF GLASS, UM, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE. UH, IT'S BECAUSE THEY PUT A FILM, UH, IN, IN THE GLASS THAT HOLDS IT TOGETHER, UH, WHEN IT, WHEN IT CRACKS. UM, THAT'S HOW THE, THE, UM, THESE PANELS ARE BUILT. THAT, UM, THAT FILM, UH, IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME FILM, BUT IT, IT SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE, UH, IS INCLUDED IN, UM, IN THESE, UH, BUILT INTO THESE, THESE PANELS. SO WHEN THESE CRACK, THEY DON'T FALL APART IN A BUNCH OF GLASS SHARDS. THEY, THEY, THEY HANG TOGETHER. SO, UM, EROSION AND SEDIMENTATION, UH, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, UH, IF WE, UM, KNOW WHERE, UM, THE, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT LOCATION YET. THAT'LL BE PART OF OUR EROSION SEDIMENTATION, UM, PERMIT PLAN, OUR APPLICATION. UM, I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH, THAT THERE'LL BE A NUMBER OF THEM. OKAY? WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ONE LARGE ONE BECAUSE IN THE NATURE OF THE SITE, UM, UM, THE, UH, LARGE ONES ARE MORE WHERE YOU HAVE A BIG SITE AND YOU HAVE LIKE ONE CENTRAL FACILITY ON THE SITE, THEN YOU WOULD USE ONE LARGE ONE, AND YOU WOULD FUNNEL ALL YOUR SWALES INTO ONE LARGE ONE. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THIS SITE. SO WE WILL HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM, UM, IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UM, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THERE IS NO SEDIMENTATION, UH, THAT RUNS OFF THE SITE, AND IN PARTICULAR DOES NOT RUN INTO, UH, THE STREAM THAT, THAT, UH, RUNS ACROSS THE, UM, UH, THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT. VIRGINIA HAS SOME QUITE A ROBUST RULES. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH MORE RULES BESIDES JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH S SWES AND HOW MUCH SEDIMENTATION. THERE ARE RULES, SUCH AS AFTER EVERY STORM EVENT, YOU HAVE TO GO AND INSPECT THE SWES AND INSPECT THE SEDIMENTATION PONDS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STILL OPERATING PROPERLY. UM, THERE ARE ALSO RULES ABOUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, HOW LONG YOU CAN LEAVE AN AREA, UH, OPEN, UM, UH, LEAVE A CUT OPEN. SO IF YOU MOVE, MOVE DIRT, UM, YOU KNOW, I CANNOT GO AND, UH, MOVE THE EARTH ON THAT ENTIRE SITE. UM, [03:15:01] UH, I WILL STAGE IT IN, IN, IN PIECES, AND THEN I WILL CLOSE SITES AS CLOSE AREAS, I SHOULD SAY. UM, SO LET'S JUST SAY I STARTED ON THE EAST. I MAY START THERE, DO DO MY THING. NOW, I MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF SPOTS OPEN AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T DO THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, RIGIDLY, SEQUENTIALLY, UM, THERE IS SOME OVERLAP, BUT AS WE MOVE ACROSS THE SITE, WE'LL BE CLOSING PARTS AND SEEDING THEM, UH, TO, TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF THAT, UH, UH, EROSION. YES. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT SURE. UM, AND IS THE E AND S GONNA BE, UM, DONE BY A THIRD PARTY? UH, WELL, I, I ASKED, I I'M ASSUMING YOUR COUNTY WOULD USE A THIRD PARTY TO REVIEW THE ENS APPLICATION, OR DO YOU HAVE THE, THAT ABILITY IN HOUSE? UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT DISCUSSES THAT, BUT, UH, A MAJORITY OF IT WOULD BE DONE IN HOUSE. BUT PER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE WOULD'VE THE ABILITY TO EMPLOY, UM, AN OUTSIDE AGENCY EITHER FOR REVIEWS OR INSPECTIONS OF THE SITE. OKAY. THERE IS A, THERE, THERE IS A PROVISION, UH, IN THE CONDITIONS, UH, WHERE THE COUNTY CAN HIRE AN ONSITE, UH, ENS INSPECTOR. UH, SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY THERE, YOU KNOW, WATCHING THESE THINGS, MAKING SURE THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING PROPERLY. THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE, THAT'S PART OF THE COUNTY, UH, PART OF THE CONDITIONS. UM, AND, UM, I, THE, UH, UM, I MEAN HERE'S, HERE'S THE THING WITH, WITH, UM, UM, EROSION SEDIMENTATION PROJECTS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH EROSION AND SEDIMENTATION, DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES. IF YOU FOLLOW THE RULES, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. OKAY? WE FULLY INTEND TO FOLLOW THE RULES. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 27 YEARS. I HAVE DEVELOPED 20 GIGAWATTS. THIS IS A 20 MEGAWATT PROJECT. I HAVE DEVELOPED 20 GIGAWATTS OF PROJECTS IN 27 YEARS. I HAVE NOT HAD A SINGLE NOTICE OF VIOLATION ON, AND, AND IT'S PROBABLY 70, 75 PROJECTS. AND I'VE NOT HAD, AND SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE TAKEN UP 15, 20,000 ACRES. UM, AND I'VE NOT HAD A SINGLE NOTICE OF VIOLATION ON, ON A SINGLE, A SINGLE PROJECT. I FOLLOW THE RULES. UH, I MAKE SURE THAT MY CONTRACTORS FOLLOW THE RULES. I ONLY HIRE GOOD CONTRACTORS, UH, THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE DOING THIS, THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UH, THAT STAFF IT PROPERLY, THAT HAVE ONSITE ENS PEOPLE THAT, THAT WATCH THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THEM HAVING SOME DOZER OPERATOR ALSO BEING THE ENS, UM, YOU KNOW, GUY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME. UM, I WANT, I WANT SOMEBODY WHO, YOU KNOW, IS DEDICATED TO IN, IN THEIR, THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL PRACTICES. SO, UH, SO WE HIRE, WE HIRE GOOD CONTRACTORS, WE FOLLOW THE RULES. UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IT ONLY TAKES, IT ONLY TAKES ONE, ONE BAD PROJECT TO PUT YOU OUT OF THIS BUSINESS. UH, I'VE BEEN IN IT FOR A LONG TIME, AND I DON'T INTEND TO BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS BY, BY A CONTRACTOR MAKING A MISTAKE. UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IF WE DO, IF, IF SOMETHING DOES GO RIGHT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO YANK OR PERMIT. SO, I MEAN, AND THEN I'M OUT OF BUSINESS. UM, YOU KNOW, SO I HAVE ALL THE INCENTIVE OF THE WORLD TO, TO, TO DO IT RIGHT. SO, UM, LET ME JUST, UH, LEMME FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE THIS THING. I'M JUST GONNA PUSH A BUTTON HERE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. OKAY. THIS IS ALL, JUST THE STUFF I JUST TALKED ABOUT. I COULD HAVE JUST PUT THIS UP THERE, BUT, UM, LET ME KEEP GOING HERE. UM, THAT JUST SHOWS A REVISED, UH, ACCESS. HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF, UM, OF THE VISIBILITY. UM, THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE, UM, IS, UM, AT THE, UM, OFF OF, OF, UH, WALKER'S POND ROAD IN THE BACK, UM, WHERE WE WILL HAVE PLANTED BUFFER. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. WE WOULD BUILD A BERM, AND ON TOP OF THAT BERM, THERE WILL BE STAGGERED ROWS OF TREES. MOSTLY PINES, BUT A FEW DECIDUOUS, UH, MOSTLY PINES 'CAUSE THEY PROVIDE BETTER, BETTER COVER. BUT WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE ALL PINES. WE WANT TO HAVE SOME MIX. SO WE, SO WE DO HAVE SOME DECIDUOUS TREES, UH, IN THERE. THAT IS, UM, FIVE YEARS, UH, DOWN THE ROAD. AND THEN THE NEXT PICTURE IS 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SO WHEN YOU GET 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A FOREST. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE YOU COULD WALK THROUGH THAT, FRANKLY. UM, THE, UH, THIS, THIS NEXT PICTURE, THIS IS THE, UM, ENTRANCE, UM, WHERE OUR ENTRANCE THAT ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE. UM, YOU CAN, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE RAILROAD, UH, COMES DOWN. IT'S KINDA HARD TO SEE FROM THIS, THIS DISTANCE. UM, BUT WE PLANTED SOME TREES, UH, ON, ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, BECAUSE IF I TOOK THOSE TREES OUT, YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THE PANELS. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, AND THEN, UM, SAME THING. THERE'S A FIVE YEAR, THEY'VE GROWN UP A LITTLE [03:20:01] MORE. UM, AND THEN, UH, 10 YEARS THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROWN UP, UH, EVEN, EVEN FURTHER. BUT THAT'S JUST THAT ONE AREA THERE WHERE THE, WHERE THE RAILROAD IS. YOU CAN SEE TO THE EAST OF THERE TO THE RIGHT, UM, THERE'S EXISTING, UH, TREES. UM, AND THEN I'LL GO TO THE WEST HERE. UM, AND THIS IS THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROJECT, LOOKING AT IT FROM, FROM COX ROAD. YOU'LL SEE THE, THE YELLOW STRIPES THAT ARE ACROSS THERE. OKAY. THEY ARE BELOW THE RAILROAD. I PUT THEM THERE, UM, SIMPLY TO SHOW YOU THAT YES, WE DID OVERLAY THE PANELS, UH, INTO THE, UH, INTO THE PICTURE. IF I DIDN'T PUT THEM THERE, PEOPLE WOULD SAY, OH, YOU JUST TOOK A PICTURE, AND YOU'RE TELLING ME THERE'S PANELS THERE. UM, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY, WE, WE ACTUALLY DID, UH, LAY IN THE, IN THE PANELS, BUT, UH, THEY'RE BEHIND THE RAILROADS, SO YOU CAN'T, UH, YOU CAN'T SEE THEM. I THINK THAT'S THE LAST, UH, UH, THE LAST PICTURE. SO, UM, I MEAN, WE, UM, YOU CAN'T SMELL US. YOU CAN'T HEAR US, YOU CAN'T SEE US. UM, WE MEET ALL THE CONDITIONS OF THE, UH, UM, OF YOUR SOLAR ORDINANCE. AND, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, JUST WAITING FOR, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SURE. UM, FIRST, WHEN THE ROAD CONTRACT, WE, I KNOW WE MET, UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, RIGHT? UM, AND YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE ROAD CONTRACT WITH THE, UM, OWNERS ON THE ROAD. UM, HOW LONG HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY HAD THAT CONTRACT? AND HAVE ANY OF THEM SIGNED THE CONTRACT? THEY, THEY'VE HAD IT ONLY FOR, UM, ABOUT MAYBE, UH, TODAY'S TUESDAY, MAYBE TOWARDS, UH, MID WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK. UM, OKAY. AND, UM, NOBODY'S SIGNED IT YET, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE COMMITMENTS FROM 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, UM, THAT THEY'LL SIGN IT. UM, ONE OF 'EM, ONE OF THEM'S SICK RIGHT NOW, SO I DON'T WANNA BUG HIM WHEN HE'S, WHEN HE'S SICK, BUT, UH, UM, SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE, I GUESS THE RECYCLE FORMULA THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DECOMMISSION AND THE BONDS, AND I GUESS, IS THAT A FORMULA? WHO DECIDES TO RECYCLE VALUE? AND, AND IS THAT, I GUESS THAT'S EXPLAINED IN THE, THE, UM, PROFITS OR EXPLAINED IN THE DECOMMISSION, UH, PAPERWORK? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. UM, IT'LL BE DONE BY A THIRD PARTY, UH, THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT THAT HAS EXPERIENCED DOING THIS STUFF. UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT, UH, THREE DIFFERENT, UH, CONSULTANTS TO THE COUNTY, AND THEY CAN PICK ONE, UM, AND THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO IT. UM, ALL, ALL WE'LL PROVIDE TO THE COUNTY IS THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT AS FAR AS NUMBER OF PANELS AND TRACKERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR CALCULATION. OTHER THAN THAT, THEY GO AND DO THEIR THING. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT THE ESTABLISH, THAT ESTABLISH WHAT THE, UM, UH, RECYCLED OR RECYCLED VALUE IS. WHAT THE DECOMMISSIONING COST, UH, IS. THEY WILL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE DECOMMISSIONING REQUIREMENTS ARE, SUCH AS HOW FAR DOWN DO YOU HAVE TO REMOVE STUFF. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO REMOVE ALL OF IT, UM, WHETHER WE CAN LEAVE ROADS OR NOT. AND HERE WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE ROADS UNLESS THE LANDOWNER REQUESTS THAT WE, UH, UM, THAT WE, WE LEAVE THEM. UM, SO THE THIRD PARTY WILL, WILL DO ALL THAT, AND, UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THAT'S THE, UM, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT'S DONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. MR. CHAIRMAN. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT. DOES ANYONE? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE CINDY HARVILLE. CINDY HARVILLE, 2 1 1 0 7 WALKERS POND DRIVE, SUTHERLAND, VIRGINIA. MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. VICE-CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, RESIDENTS OF DIM, WITTY, AND GUESS I'M NOT ADDRESSING YOU THIS EVENING TO LIST THE MULTITUDE OF REASONS WHY DIM WITTY COUNTY SHOULD NOT JUMP ON THE SOLAR FARM BANDWAGON. WE WOULD BE HERE ALL NIGHT, BUT RATHER TO APPEAL TO YOUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY. YOU SEE, WE ARE NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE HOMES AND PROPERTY IN THIS COUNTY. SOME OF US WERE BORN IN THIS COUNTY. WE RAISED OUR KIDS IN THIS COUNTY. WE ARE NEIGHBORS AND AS NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE ANOTHER. I BELIEVE IN THE GOLDEN ROOM TO DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO [03:25:01] UNTO YOU. IF YOU LIVED DOWN A PRIVATE DIRT ROAD ON WHICH YOU HAD SPENT TIME AND DOLLARS MAINTAINING, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL HAVING A FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS USING THE ROAD THAT YOU'VE PAINED? AND BY USING, I MEAN, TEARING UP, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF A GOVERNMENT ENTITY SAID THAT THAT'S OKAY, WHEN THEY AREN'T MAINTAINING THAT ROAD THAT YOU'VE SPENT RESOURCES IN MAINTAINING? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT HAVING THE LAND ON THREE SIDES OF YOUR PROPERTY REZONED TO ACCOMMODATE A SOLAR FARM? THE ROAD ACCESS SITUATION IS NOT THE ONLY ISSUE HERE, THOUGH. CONSIDER THE IMPACT SOLAR FARMS HAVE ON FUTURE PRODUCTIVITY OF THE LAND. CONSIDER THE ECOSYSTEM, WILDLIFE WATERSHED. AND WHEN I BRING UP WATERSHED, I'M SPECIFICALLY THINKING ABOUT MY WELL WATER, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW THE RUNOFF FROM THIS SOLAR FARM IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE GROUNDWATER. THESE ARE THE HERE AND NOW PROBLEMS. BUT AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, I CHALLENGE YOU TO THINK BEYOND THE NOW TO THE FUTURE. SOLAR, UH, POWER MIGHT SEEM POPULAR TODAY, BUT WHAT ABOUT TOMORROW? WE ALL KNOW TECHNOLOGY CHANGES LIKE THE WIND. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOLAR POWER IS OUT AND SOMETHING LESS INVASIVE IS IN THE LAND, WILL HAVE ALREADY BEEN DESECRATED. I'VE READ THE AGREEMENT OFFERED BY THE SOLAR COMPANY, ALL KINDS OF PROMISES, BUT I WONDER WHO'S GONNA MANAGE AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL THESE PROMISES? WHO'S GOING TO EVALUATE THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE PROMISES THEY'RE MAKING WILL BE BROUGHT TO FRUITION? HOW DO YOU EVEN BUDGET FOR BROKEN PROMISES? I URGE YOU TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT BY THE CITIZENS OF DIM WITTY COUNTY. SIMPLY PUT, BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. BE GOOD STEWARDS OF DIM WIT'S, BEAUTIFUL RURAL LANDS BY VOTING AGAINST THIS LAND REZONING AND SOLAR FARM CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU, BELINDA ENG. GOOD EVENING. EVENING. UM, I GREW UP IN DE WITTY COUNTY, AND CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. I GREW UP IN DE WITTY COUNTY, AND I'VE LIVED IN MY HOME FOR 35 YEARS, AND I LOVE LIVING IN THE COUNTRY. I LOVE THE FIELD OF CORN AND, AND THE WILDLIFE AND ALL THE WOODS. I, THAT'S WHAT I MOVED BACK TO DE WITTY COUNTY FOR. UM, BUT I HAD MANY CONCERNS WITH THE SOLAR FARM. UH, MY PROPERTY VALUE. I CANNOT SEE SOMEBODY WANTING TO BUY A HOUSE THAT IS ALMOST SURROUNDED BY SOLAR PANELS. AND I HAVE OVER 20 ACRES, AND THAT'S MAINLY WHAT IT'S GONNA BE, AT LEAST THREE SIDES OF IT. UM, ALSO MY WELL WATER, I HAVE MUCH CONCERN FOR THAT. UH, THE RUNOFF WALLACE CREEK IS ON MY PROPERTY. AND BACK BEHIND THAT IS KIND OF THE SWAMP LAND THAT THEY REFER TO THAT, UM, RUNS RIGHT INTO THE APPOMATTOX RIVER. THERE'S ANOTHER CREEK IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY, ALL THE RUNOFF THAT RUNS DOWN TO THE APPOMATTOX. HOW, HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT MY, WELL, HOW'S IT GONNA AFFECT THE WATER FOR PETERSBURG AND EVERYWHERE ELSE? UM, AND AS THE LAND WILL BE REUSABLE AFTER THE, UH, THEY TAKE OUT THE PANELS IN 40 YEARS OF HOW LONG OF THEY LAST, I JUST HAVE, UM, SAFETY, THE SAFETY OF THE PANELS WHERE THEY'RE MADE FROM THE, THEY LEACH CHEMICALS INTO THE SOIL. UM, LIKE THE RUN, NOT ONLY THE RUNOFF, BUT CHEMICALS FROM THE PANELS [03:30:01] WHERE THEY, UM, HURT THE WILDLIFE WE'RE, WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE. EVERY DAY I LOOK AT THE KITCHEN WINDOW, I SEE DEER, I SEE TURKEYS, I SEE, UH, EVERYTHING I EAT THERE RABBITS. AND I LOVE IT. I JUST LOVE MY COUNTY. I MEAN, I GREW UP IN IT AND I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO STAY THAT WAY. UM, WE LIVE AT THE VERY END OF WALKER'S POND DRIVE. IT'S A PRIVATE DIRT ROAD, AND WE'VE MAINTAINED IT. WE PUT PIPE UNDER THE ROAD, WE PUT ROCK ON IT. WE CUT THE TREES ON THE SIDE, UH, CUT THE GRASS EVERY COUPLE WEEKS ON BOTH SIDES, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RIVER ROAD. UM, AND THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO SIGN A CONTRACT, BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT, IT'S NO PACIFICS. OR YOU COULD PUT ROCK IN. I MEAN, IT'S OVER $900 OVER FOR LOAD ROCK. UH, ARE YOU GONNA COME AND CUT THE GRASS OR ARE YOU GOING TO COME IN AND BRING EQUIPMENT? GET OUT THERE WITH A CHAINSAWS AND DO THE TREES? UM, IS, IT'S A PRIVATE DIRT ROAD. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW IT MADE IT HERE WHEN WE WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THEY TURNED IT DOWN TO BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND I DID NOT EVEN GET A LETTER THAT THE MEETING WAS BEING HELD TONIGHT. I HADN'T BEEN FROM MY NEIGHBOR, WE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN IT. UM, BUT IT DOES MY PROPERTY ADJOINS ALL THE SOLAR AREA. UM, THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE IF YOU VOTE AGAINST IT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. JAMES FLOWERS. GOOD EVENING. I'M JAMES FLOWERS. I LIVE AT 68 11 ASH ROAD, CHURCH ROAD, VIRGINIA. ALL BUT THREE YEARS OF MY LIFE'S BEEN SPENT IN DENWOODY COUNTY. MY BACKGROUND, I WAS RAISED OUT FARM. I HAD BEEN INVOLVED WITH FARMING IN AGRICULTURE FOR MY LIVELIHOOD. I RAN BT HARGRAVE COMPANY TILL I SOLD IT LAST YEAR. SO I LIKE FARMING. I'VE DEPENDED ON IT. BUT AS YOU HAVE STATED, THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED FOR THREE THINGS, AGRICULTURE, INDUSTRIAL, AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AS IT STANDS NOW, THE AGRICULTURAL ASPECT OF THIS PROPERTY IS DONE. I CAN PERSONALLY TELL YOU, IF YOU COULD START AT THE, EXCUSE ME, THE BEGINNING WHERE RIVER ROAD GOES INTO FERNDALE. I PERSONALLY WITH MY COMPANY, PUT FERTILIZER LINE FURNISHED CHEMICALS AND OTHER PRODUCTS TO FARM LAND. AS YOU COME UP THIS ROAD, THE FARM LAND IS NOW OUT RESIDENTIAL. I CAN NAME THE FARMS THAT I PUT FERTILIZER AND EVERYTHING ON, AND NOW YOU COME UP, START QUICK. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO TALK. BUT WHERE NORTH AND SOUTH MANSFIELD IS, THAT WAS THE FARMLAND. YOU MOVE UP THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, YOU GET TO THE WRINKLE FARM, WHICH IS ACROSS FROM SHAW VILLAGE. NOW, THAT WAS A FARM, ACTUALLY A DAIRY. ONE TIME IT WAS FARMED. I SUPPLIED CHEMICALS, FERTILIZER, AND LINE TO THAT. NOW IT IS IN HOUSES. YOU MOVE UP A LITTLE BIT FARTHER THE LAND, LAND THAT BELONGED TO LEO WILLIAMS, WHICH WAS FARMLAND. I'VE SUPPLIED CHEMICALS, FERTILIZER, AND WHATEVER TO THIS PROPERTY. NOW IT IS RESIDENTIAL. YOU MOVE UP TO BILLY LEONARD'S PROPERTY. IT IS A GOOD THING. I RECKON IT. THE BACKSIDE OF THIS PROPERTY, I'VE BEEN ON EVERY FOOT OF IT WITH MY TRUCKS IN EQUIPMENT. IT WAS FARM LAND. NOW IT IS A VINEYARD OUT THERE, WHICH IS NICE. BUT THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY IS IN RESIDENTIAL. YOU MOVE UP A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, THE LAND OWNED BY CLAY, IT IS NOW A FARMLAND. IT IS NOW, EXCUSE ME, CLAY ESTATE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU, THEN I CAN GO OVER TO FOUR 60 AND FOUR 60 AT ONE TIME WAS [03:35:01] 2 26, WHERE 2 26 IS NOW IT COME UP THAT ROAD. WHAT HAVE YOU GOT WHERE FARMS WERE LIKE THE, WHERE THE ROCK CHOIR IS VULCAN, THAT WAS THREE FARMS THAT I KNOW OF A NOW ARE GONE. AND THE ROCK CHOIR IS AT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY DOESN'T LIKE THE ROCK QUIET, BUT IT, IT IS A NECESSARY INDUSTRY FOR THE COMMUNITY. ALL YOUR ROADS AND ALL THE, THE UNDER SERVICE OF THEM IS ROCK. PROBABLY YOUR DRIVEWAYS ARE EVEN ROCK. SO IT IS A NECESSARY EVIL, BUT PEOPLE, PEOPLE DON'T, DON'T REALIZE THEY DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE SOUND OF THE SIREN AND THE BLASTING THAT GOES ON DOWN THERE. AND RATHER THE HOUSES OR SHAKES THEIR HOUSES. ACTUALLY, WHERE I LIVED, THE SIREN WOULD GO OFF AND THE OLD FARM HOUSE I LIVED IN, THE WINDOWS WOULD ACTUALLY RATTLE IN THE BUILDING WOULD SHAKE. SO THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING, BUT THIS, THE, THE ROCK CORE IS REQUIRED OR NEEDED AS DEVELOPMENT COMES AND ROADS AND WHATEVER IT'S NEEDED. SO IT'S A GOOD THING. THEN THE BALLOTS THAT THE LAND AT THIS BELONG TO ROBERT MARK, JOHNNY ORANGES, YOU MOVE ON UP. ONE FIELD IS LEFT ON THE S PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT S PROPERTY NOW IT'S OWNED BY TYNDALL. ONE FIELD IS BEING WORKED PRESENTLY IN CROP, WHICH WILL END AT THE END OF THIS SEASON BECAUSE TYNDALL GONNA HAVE A STAGING AREA FOR THEIR PRODUCTS THAT COME OUT OF THAT. AND YOU LOOK AT THE PRODUCTS THAT COME OUT OF THAT VERY IMPORTANT ROADS, BRIDGES, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, I MEAN PARTS. MR. FLOWERS, YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. CLARENCE WILLIAMS? NO, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP. OKAY. WE'RE CLOSED. THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES. SOMEBODY IN THE BACK? NO, HE SAID HE DIDN'T. YEAH, SHE'S, SHE'S RAISING HER HAND. OKAY. THEY SAID NO. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. MY NAME'S ALICIA MANSON, 7 0 1 6 ANDERSON MILL ROAD CHURCH ROAD. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, I'VE LIVED IN THE DENWITTY PRETTY MUCH MOST OF MY LIFE, UH, AND HAVE SEEN ADVANCEMENTS AND HAVE SEEN THINGS WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE ADVANCED EVEN FURTHER. I MUST SAY WE ARE HIGHLY RURAL AND WE WANT TO STAY THAT WAY, BUT THIS PROJECT DOES ALLOW US TO ADVANCE PRETTY MUCH MORE IN THIS COUNTY. FOR A FEW YEARS, I WAS, AND SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE RECOGNIZED ME, NURSE MANAGER HERE IN THIS DISTRICT FOR THE CRATER HEALTH DISTRICT. AND, UM, I'VE NOW MOVED ON TO THE, UH, GOVERNMENT. BUT, UM, I REMEMBER A LOT OF THINGS WHERE OUR COUNTY COULD NOT GET THINGS BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE THE FINANCES AVAILABLE TO GET THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS. I URGE YOU TO LOOK INTO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EARN FROM THIS PROJECT. I ALSO URGE YOU TO LOOK INTO THE COUNTIES THAT SURROUND US, SUSSEX, PRINCE GEORGE. THEY HAVE THE SIMILAR PROJECTS. LOOK INTO HOW THEIR WATER AND WATER SYSTEMS AND THINGS ARE DEALING WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN THOSE AREAS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS WITH, UM, DPW SEEING ANYTHING. I'VE LOOKED FOR MYSELF. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING. WHEN YOU RIDE DOWN ROUTE 40, YOU SEE THAT PROJECT THERE ALL THE TIME FOR YEARS AND HAVE, NO ONE THAT HAS BEEN GOT HAS GOTTEN SICK. NOW, NONE OF US HAVE THE PROJECTED INFORMATION FOR 50 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. NOBODY DOES FOR ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING. HOWEVER, WE DO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON OUR HOMES. THAT WATER DRIPS INTO THE GROUND. HAVE WE RESEARCHED THAT? WE PROBABLY WILL. HOWEVER, SOMETHING AS BIG AS THIS, I URGE YOU ALL REALLY LOOK INTO IT. DO NOT LET IT GO. BECAUSE THE THINGS THAT OUR COUNTY NEEDS TO PAY FOR TO ASSIST US WITH FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS. LOOK AT THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT AND AND WAS CONCERNED [03:40:01] ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THESE THINGS? HOW ARE WE GONNA DO IT? AND THEN WE SEE THE COMPLAINTS WHEN WE DO DO THESE THINGS. HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS? SO THINK ABOUT THIS. AND THEN IN CONJUNCTION, AS I JUST MENTIONED, THOSE AREAS IN WHICH ALREADY HAVE THESE PLANTS SET UP, THESE SOLAR PANELS. THINK ABOUT THAT, THINK ABOUT PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY HAS MUCH MORE, I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO DO THAT, BUT WE DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING. AGAIN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. HAVE A GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. DO I HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT THE, OKAY. UH, I JUST WANTED TO AD ADDRESS A COUPLE OF OF THINGS THAT WERE, WERE SAID. UM, THERE, THERE WAS SOME, SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS ROAD. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT CONDITION SIX, UH, OF OUR PERMIT CONDITIONS, UH, THAT CONDITION REQUIRES US TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD. UH, SO IF WE DON'T DO THAT AGAIN, YOU CAN YANK OUR PERMIT AND THEN, AND THEN WE'RE OUT OF BUSINESS. SO IT THERE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA LET THAT HAPPEN. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN, MAINTAIN THE ROAD. UM, THE, UH, UH, THE ISSUE WAS, WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES. UM, I'LL JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT I SAID, UH, EARLIER IN THAT THERE WERE NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT SHOWED THAT THERE'S NO NEGATIVE IMPACT. ONE OF THOSE STUDIES, UH, ACTUALLY ANALYZED, UH, 340, UH, I THINK IT WAS 344,000, UH, ACTUAL TRANSACTIONS, UH, UH, IN AND AROUND, UH, NOT IN, BUT AROUND, UH, SOLAR FARMS. UM, SO IT WAS, IT WAS QUITE A ROBUST, UH, STUDY THAT DID NOT SHOW, UH, ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT. UM, THE, THE RUNOFF, UM, AND CONTAMINATING WELL WATER, UM, I I MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE A, UM, UM, A, A A WELL PROGRAM THAT'LL WILL, WILL DECIDE AS PART OF THE FINAL SITE PLAN WHERE THOSE WELLS WILL BE. AND WE'LL TEST THEM IF, LET'S JUST SAY, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING WILL, WILL HAPPEN TO CONTAMINATE THE WELL WATER. WELL, LET'S JUST SAY IT DOES. I HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO FIX IT, MEANING I HAVE TO ONE, STOP WHAT'S CAUSING IT. BUT TWO, I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE PEOPLE WHOSE WELLS ARE BEING, UH, CONTAMINATED, THAT I PROVIDE THEM WITH WATER. AND IF THAT MEANS I GOTTA BRING WATER INTO THEM, IF THAT MEANS I GOTTA PAY TO GET PUBLIC WATER TO THEM, WHAT, WHAT, WHATEVER IT IS, I'M THE ONE THAT HAS TO FIX IT. SO, UH, WE, WE HAVE THAT OBLIGATION. UM, NOW IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M CONFIDENT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE NOTHING, UH, NONE OF, NONE OF THE TASKS. THERE ARE NO REAL WORLD EXAMPLES, UH, OF, OF THIS HAPPENING. SOLAR'S NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST STARTED LAST YEAR. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. AND, AND THERE ARE NO REAL WORLD EXAMPLES OF, OF, UH, GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION FROM, UH, FROM SOLAR PROJECTS. UM, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, WHEN WE'RE OUT, WE HAVE A 20 YEAR, UM, POWER PURCHASE A GRID. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GET PAID FOR, FOR 20 YEARS OF PRODUCTION. UM, AT THE, AT THE END OF THOSE 20 YEARS, UH, IF WE CAN'T, UH, RENEW THAT CONTRACT, UM, THEN WE SHUT DOWN A PROJECT. WE DECOMMISSION IT. YOU HAVE, WE, WE HAVE A BOND THAT SUPPORTS US DOING THAT. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE NOT GONNA USE THE BOND. WE'LL DO IT OURSELVES AND THEN CANCEL THE BOND. UM, BUT SO IT GETS AWAY OF IT, IT IT, LET'S JUST SAY, LET'S JUST SAY 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, OKAY? THE PEOPLE THAT, UM, THAT ONE, TWO, UM, UH, THAT, THAT BUY OUR POWER, LET'S JUST SAY THEY DON'T WANNA BUY OUR POWER ANYMORE, OKAY? THEY CAN'T JUST STOP THE CONTRACT, STOP PAYING US. THEY HAVE A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION TO PAY US. THEY COULD COME TO US AND, AND, AND BUY OUT OUR POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT. I MEAN, I HAVE BOUGHT OUT POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS FROM PEOPLE. I HAVE SOLD OUT POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS IN MY, IN MY CAREER, UH, SEVERAL OF THEM. IT WAS A, IT WAS A BIG THING BACK IN THE, IN THE LATE NINETIES, EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WHEN DEREGULATION WAS COMING IN. UM, AND THERE WERE ALL THESE UTILITY, UM, CONTRACTS OUT THERE. UH, AND THEY WERE BEING BOUGHT OUT. UM, IF THEY WERE TO COME SAY 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND THEY WANT TO BUY OUT OF THE CONTRACTS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYMORE TO ANYMORE, AND WE AGREE TO THAT, WELL, AT THAT POINT I STOPPED OPERATING BECAUSE THERE'S ONE, ONE KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, POWER SALES AND A DISTRIBUTION CONNECTED PROJECT AND A TRANSMISSION CONNECTED PROJECT THAT IS DISTRIBUTION. I HAVE ONE POTENTIAL CUSTOMER, JUST ONE I DON'T HAVE ANYMORE . I CAN'T PUT POWER ONTO THAT DISTRIBUTION GRID WITHOUT HAVING A CONTRACT WITH THAT ONE COMPANY. OKAY? UM, TRANSMISSION, IF I'M TRANSMISSION CONNECTED, I CAN SELL IT TO ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE. ANYWHERE IN PJMI COULD SELL TO A [03:45:01] COMPANY, OHIO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PART OF PJM. UM, BUT ON DISTRIBUTION, I GOT ONE CUSTOMER. AND WHEN THAT ONE CUSTOMER, IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY COME TO ME AND SAY, I DON'T WANNA BUY YOUR POWER ANYMORE, AND WE, WE COME TO TERMS ON TERMINATING THE CONTRACT, WELL THEN I'M, THEN I'M NO LONGER PRODUCING AND I HAVE TO DECOMMISSION. SO WHETHER THAT'S FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS, 20 YEARS AT THE END OF THE PPA, UM, YOU KNOW, OR IF I SHOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO EXTEND A PPA 30 YEARS FROM NOW, WHENEVER THAT IS, THE PROJECT GETS DECOMMISSIONED, UM, AND IT GETS, IT GETS PUT BACK TO, UM, SOIL, UM, LAND THAT IS AVAILABLE, THAT CAN BE, CAN BE TILLED, CAN BE, UM, WHERE YOU CAN, UH, DO AGRICULTURE ON IT. UM, SO WE WILL DEACT IT, WE WILL PUT TOP SOIL, MAKE SURE THERE'S TOP SOIL THERE, UH, ALL THOSE THINGS. SO IT CAN BE, IT, IT CAN BE PRODUCTIVE FARMLAND AGAIN. UM, SO, UM, SO I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THOSE, THOSE COUPLE OF THINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. STATE, MR. WHITE, UM, HOW MANY RECYCLING COMPANIES ARE THERE THAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH? HOW MANY ARE THERE? WELL, THE, THE, WHEN IT COMES TO STEEL, COPPER, ALUMINUM, THERE'S A BUNCH OF THE PANELS. THE PANELS, THE MANUFACTURER WANTS THEM BACK. UM, SO WE, WE BUY PANELS FROM WHAT'S CALLED TIER ONE, UH, MANUFACTURERS. UM, THEY ARE THE BEST, UM, UH, SUPPLIERS. THEY, THEY PRODUCE THE BEST, THEY, THEY MANUFACTURE THE BEST PANELS, THEY ALL WANT THEM BACK. UM, SO AT THE END OF THE LIFE OF THE PANELS, UH, WE, WE SHIP THEM BACK TO THEM AND, AND THEY, THEY RECYCLE THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S UH, UH, JCO OR FIRST SOLAR OR CANADIAN SOLAR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, Q CELL, THERE'S AN, THERE'S, THERE'S EIGHT OR 10. UM, UM, WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, A LIST IN OUR CONTRACT WITH OUR, OUR PPA, UM, OFFTAKER ON WHICH PANELS WE, WHICH COMPANY WE CAN USE FOR PANELS. AND THEY'RE ALL TIER ONE. UH, SO THEY ALL WANT THEM BACK. SO, AND, AND AS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE WORKED ON OVER YOUR TIME, GENERALLY SPEAKING, HOW LONG DOES A PANEL LAST BEFORE YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT? THEY'RE PLANNING TO LAST FOR 25 YEARS. OKAY. OKAY. NOW, UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERY PANEL'S GONNA LAST 25 YEARS. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE BATTERIES. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW, UM, I'VE DONE BATTERY STORAGE PROJECTS OKAY. BEFORE. YEP. UM, THIS IS NOT A BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT, BUT, UM, JUST LIKE BATTERIES, YOU CAN GO BUY A BATTERY IN A, IN A STORE AND IT MIGHT HAVE A LIGHT THAT SAYS IT'S GOT THREE MORE YEARS ON IT. A YEAR FROM NOW THEY MIGHT BE DEAD. UM, AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN USE IT. UM, OR IT COULD BE STILL OPERATING FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, ANY, ANYTIME YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS, UM, OF THIS NATURE THAT'S ELECTRONIC OR THIS, THIS THING, UM, THE, THE LIFE IS, UH, I'LL SAY AN AVERAGE LIFE. UM, I CAN HAVE PANELS THAT LAST MORE THAN 25 YEARS. WILL I HAVE SOME THAT WON'T LAST 25 YEARS? YES. UM, I'M QUITE CERTAIN THERE WILL, UM, NOW IT DOESN'T MEAN LIKE SIX MONTHS IN I'M GONNA START LOSING PANELS. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL, WILL THERE BE SOME 15 YEARS IN, 16 YEARS IN? YEAH, PROBABLY. UM, AND, AND WE WILL REPLACE THOSE. UM, NOW WE DON'T NECESSARILY REPLACE EVERY SINGLE ONE AS SOON AS IT GOES BAD. 'CAUSE IT GETS TO BE A LITTLE COSTLY TO DO IT ONE AT A TIME. SO YOU MAY JUST LEAVE THAT PANEL IN PLACE 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT ANYTHING. IT'S JUST A DEAD PANEL. UM, AND YOU'RE PRODUCING, YOU KNOW, SAY, UH, 600 KILOWATTS LESS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THAN, UM, OR 600 WATTS LESS, UM, THAN, UH, THAN YOU WOULD. UM, BUT WHEN YOU GET A NUMBER OF THEM WHERE, WHERE THERE'S STARTING TO TO GO OR FADE, AND YOU GENERALLY KNOW THIS BEFORE THEY GO COMPLETELY BAD, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, UH, YOU MONITOR THESE THINGS AND YOU KNOW, WHEN, OKAY, A 600 WATT PANELS NOW ONLY PRODUCING 400, ALRIGHT. IT'S ON ITS WAY OUT TIME TO START THINK AND I AND SAY, I GOT 10 OR 15 OF THOSE. OKAY, NOW IT'S TIME TO START THINKING ABOUT CHANGING OUT THOSE, UM, THOSE, UH, THOSE 10 OR 15 PANELS. SO, AND THEN WE TAKE THOSE 10 OR 15 PANELS AND WE SHIP 'EM BACK TO THE MANUFACTURER. SO ON THIS PROJECT, HOW MANY PANELS DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEING INSTALLED? OH, UH, I'M SURE YOU HAVE A NUMBER THAT, THAT ACTUALLY IS IN OUR APPLICATION, BUT I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S A LOT. IF THIS IS THE $30 MILLION PROJECT, I WOULD SAY IT'S A, AN EXTREME NUMBER OF PANELS WE'RE TALKING. YEAH, IT'S A LOT. IT'S A LOT OF PANELS. UM, UM, YEAH, IT'S A, I I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. HOW, HOW OFTEN DO YOU INSPECT THE PANELS? UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IF EVERYTHING IS, IS WORKING, UH, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE INSPECTED A COUPLE TIMES, A COUPLE, THREE TIMES A MONTH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, TO TAKE A, TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM, MAKE SURE THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT CRACKING. AND, AND NOW WE CAN TELL BY MONITORING WHETHER, WHETHER THERE'S AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM WITH THEM MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF THEY CRACK, THEN THAT'S GONNA HAVE SOME IMPACT ON, ON, ON THE OUTPUT. 'CAUSE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE WAY THE GLASS CRACKS, IT DOESN'T QUITE, THE SUNLIGHT DOESN'T QUITE GET THROUGH IT THE SAME [03:50:01] WAY. UH, SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY CRACKS YOU GET. BUT, UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE INSPECTED. UH, SO IS THIS DONE BY A HUMAN BEING OR DRONE, OR HOW IS IT INSPECTED RIGHT NOW? WE DO HUMAN BEINGS. WE DON'T, WE DON'T BECAUSE DRONE IS, I'M NOT SAYING THAT DRONE DRONES ARE, THE, DRONES ARE THE, THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT ON, ON WIND PROJECTS THAT I'VE DONE, UM, THOSE ARE INSPECTED NOW BY DRONES. UM, YOU USED TO HAVE PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, CLIMB UP IN THE TOWERS AND, AND LOOK AT THE BLADES AND, AND STAND ON THE GROUND WITH BINOCULARS AND, AND ALL KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, GET ON TOP OF THE NAEL AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT IT'S MUCH SAFER TO HAVE, HAVE PEOPLE FLY DRONES WHERE YOU CAN FLY UP A DROUGHT, A BLADE. UH, IT'S, I I WOULD SAY IT'S COMING TO SOLAR, UM, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT HERE YET. UM, SO THE, THE WAY THE PANELS WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE ONE OF TWO DIRECTIONS, EITHER GONNA COME OFF OF FOUR 60 AND GO OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND YOU ANTICIPATE TRYING TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT CROSSING, AM I CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH. THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRIVATE EASEMENT RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA USE. UH, NOW WE HAVE TO WORK, WE ARE TALKING TO THE RAILROAD, UM, ABOUT TWO THINGS. ONE IS, UM, AN ADDITIONAL EASEMENT TO BORE UNDER, UH, THE RAILROAD. UM, AND, UM, A, THE, THE USE OVER THE, UH, RAILROAD, UM, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC USE, UM, BUT WE WILL NEED TO WORK WITH THE RAILROAD. UM, AND WE NEED TO, AND WE'RE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT WHAT ARE THE GROUND RULES, UH, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE EXPECTING DELIVERIES, WE WILL NEED TO BE COORDINATING WITH THE RAILROAD. OKAY, WHEN DO YOU HAVE TRAINS COMING? YES, . AND WE WILL NEED TO HAVE, UM, UH, CONTROL PEOPLE THERE, UH, CONTROLLING THE TRUCKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING ACROSS, UH, WHEN THERE'S A TRAIN, UH, EXPECTED. SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE, THE DETAILS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE RAILROAD. I'VE, I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF RAILROADS, UH, IN THE PAST ON PROJECTS. UM, RAILROADS, UM, TAKE THEIR, TAKE THEIR TIME , UM, ON THESE, ON THESE DEALS. AND YOU GENERALLY HAVE TO DO, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT OF ENGINEERING WORK. UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I, IN ORDER TO FINALIZE THE EASEMENT FOR THE POWER LINE, I WILL HAVE TO DO THE FINAL ENGINEERING, UH, ON, ON THAT POWER LINE. UH, WHICH MEANS I NEED TO, UH, DO A FAIR AMOUNT OF ELECTRICAL, UH, ENGINEERING ON THE SITE SO I KNOW THE SIZE OF THE CABLES THAT NEED TO GO UNDER THE, THE RAILROAD. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, THE, THE RAILROAD IS IN GENERAL AGREEMENT. WE DO NOT HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILED WORK, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT COMES A LITTLE LATER IN THE PROJECT THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE. BUT I'VE WORKED WITH RAILROADS. THIS IS NOT AN UNUSUAL PROCESS WITH RAILROADS. THEY'RE ALL KIND OF THE SAME. I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, RAILROADS, UM, THEY HAVE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTE LAND RIGHTS, MEANING THAT EVEN YOU GUYS DON'T TRUMP RAILROADS, OKAY? YOU CAN'T GO TO THE RAILROAD AND SAY, IT'S VERY POWERFUL. I'M PUTTING A ROAD HERE. VERY POWERFUL. AND THEY CAN SAY, NO, YOU'RE NOT . AND THEY HAVE LIMITS ABOUT HOW CLOSE YOU CAN HAVE PUBLIC, UM, UH, CROSSINGS OF, OF, OF RAILROADS. LIKE THERE'S ONE DOWN AT, UH, NAZARENE AND ONE AT GERS. UM, THEY'RE NOT EVER LIKELY TO ALLOW ANOTHER PUBLIC CROSSING IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO. UM, SO THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD, UM, UH, FROM A, FOR A PUBLIC CROSS ACCESS IS TO COME OFF A RIVER ROAD. UM, SO, UH, BUT PRIVATE CROSSING THAT EASEMENT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. UM, AND SO, BUT WE'RE WORKING TO WORK OUT THOSE DETAILS, UH, WITH THEM. THEY, SO THEY HAVE THESE, THEY HAVE THESE ABSOLUTE RIGHTS, UM, BUT THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE TO PLAY BALL BECAUSE AS SOON AS THEY START SAYING NO TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, THE ONE, THE, THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, CONGRESS CAN CHANGE THE RULES ON FOR RAILROADS. AND BECAUSE ALL THIS LAND WAS GRANTED TO THE RAILROADS BACK IN THE 18 HUNDREDS, AND THEY GAVE THEM ABSOLUTE RIGHTS TO PROMOTE THE DEVELOPMENT OF RAILROADS. UM, AND IT WORKED PRETTY WELL. UM, , WE GOT LOTS OF RAILROADS DEVELOPED IN THE 18 HUNDREDS. SO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. AND, AND THEY DO PLAY BALL. UM, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T STAND IN THE WAY OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS. NOW THEY, THEY, THEY DO MAKE YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK, UM, BUT THEY DON'T STAND IN THE WAY. SO THE OTHER ACCESS IS OFF OF RIVER ROAD. RIVER ROAD. YOU PHYSICALLY DRIVEN DOWN RIDGES ROAD TO RIVER ROAD, TAKEN A LEFT AND GONE TO WALKERS MILL POND. YEAH, WE, WE WILL, UM, PER THE REQUEST OF THE STATE, WE WILL, WE WILL NEED TO EXPAND, UH, PUT MORE OF A TURNING RADIUS ON AT THE END OF WALKER'S POND WHERE IT COMES INTO RIVER ROAD. UM, THE STATE WANTS US TO MAKE THAT INTO A MORE, UM, MEET STATE STANDARDS ON THAT MM-HMM . THOSE TURNING RADIUSS THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, UM, AND WE ACTUALLY WERE GONNA COME IN THE OTHER WAY AND, AND NAZARENE, UM, BUT UH, THE NEXT ROAD DOWN, UM, MAYBE I'M SAYING THE CART ROAD WHERE THE, OKAY, THAT'S THE NEXT CROSS. OKAY, THE NEXT ONE DOWN ROAD AND IT GOES UP AND YOU COME UP RIVER ROAD THAT WAY. MM-HMM . UM, BUT THERE'S A, AN ANGLE THERE THAT THE STATE DIDN'T LIKE. UM, AND UH, BECAUSE THE ROAD KIND OF COMES IN AT A COME RIVER ROAD OFF OF ALGERS, THAT'S A VERY [03:55:01] TREACHEROUS WAY TO BRING A TRACTOR TO TRAILER TRUCK IN. YEAH. THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE WAY THE STATE WANTED US TO, TO COME IN. I'M, I'VE DRIVEN THAT WAY. I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU GET TO, WHEN, WHEN RIDGE GETS INTO TO RIVER ROAD, UM, I MEAN YOU CAN SEE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TREES ALL NOT OF ON ALL SIDES OF THE, ON ALL SIDES OF THE INTERSECTION. SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE ON BUILD ACT? WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR GUESS, GUESS BEST GUESS AT THIS TIME OF A BUILD OUT OF THIS PROJECT, OF THIS NATURE PLAN, UH, TO IS TO BUILD IN 2025. UM, OKAY. AND HOW LONG WOULD YOU THINK ANTICIPATE THAT TIME CON CONSTRUCTION IS, IS GOING TO BE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS, MORE AROUND THE SIX MONTH, UH, TIMEFRAME? THIS IS NOT A LARGE PROJECT. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BUILD A HUNDRED MEGAWATT PROJECTS IN EIGHT MONTHS. UM, IT REALLY IS A FUNCTION OF HOW MANY CREWS YOU, YOU PUT ON THE CONSTRUCTION. UH, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS LIKELY TO BE A, A SIX MONTH OR, OR LESS. IT'S NOT A LARGE PROJECT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. YOU'VE HEARD THE CASE, SO, UM, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, MR. CHAIR? CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE, UM, THAT HAS THE THREE PARCELS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THIS ONE? YES. UH, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THOUGH THAT ACTUALLY, THIS IS PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE THAT WE PUT UP. THAT ONE, YES, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE, THE PROPERTY, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS MULTITUDE OF TIMES. UM, THERE ARE TWO HOMEOWNERS HERE THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED ON THIS PRO ON THIS, THIS PROJECT. IF I WERE LOOKING AT IT AND THOSE TWO THERE DIDN'T EXIST, I'D FEEL A WHOLE LOT MORE COMFORTABLE. BUT THOSE TWO HOMES RIGHT THERE, AND THOSE HOMEOWNERS ARE SITTING IN THIS AUDIENCE TODAY ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE TWO SQUARES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THEM. MY FRONT DOOR FROM STATION ROAD IS 200 FEET. I WALKED IT OFF BEFORE I BUILT MY HOUSE. THIS IS 75 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE PANELS. THAT'S HALF OF MY FRONT YARD, BASICALLY, WHICH IS NOT A LONG DISTANCE. UM, WE CAN TALK VEGETATION AND I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S NOT A FAIR ASSUMPTION FOR THESE HOMEOWNERS. UM, IN MY, IN MY ESTIMATION. UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE BOTTOM PIECE, WHICH IS THE SOUTHERNMOST PART THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD, TO ME THERE IS VALUE IN THAT FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. IF TYLE CONCRETE WERE TO COME TO MR. FLOWERS AND ANY OTHER HOMEOWNER LANDOWNER THAT OWNS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SAY WE WANT TO EXPAND WEST BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT ONCE, THERE MAY BE A CONVERSATION OF EXPANDING THEIR EXISTING BUSINESS WEST TO GIVE THEM EITHER MORE LAY DOWN YARD OR WHATEVER. UM, SO THAT, THAT PART I CAN, I, I CAN JUSTIFY THE INDUSTRIAL USAGE FOR IT, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THOSE HOMES THAT HAD BEEN THERE AS AN EXAMPLE, 35 YEARS, I'M NOT SURE HOW, HOW LONG THE VES HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT I'M SURE IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME. UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS THAT, THAT THEY HAVE VALUE IN THIS COMMUNITY OKAY. AND THAT THEIR HOMES HAVE VALUE AND THEY AS PEOPLE HAVE VALUE. I JUST THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ENCROACHING ON THEIR LIVES. AND I, I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOT FOR IT TO DO THAT. OKAY. SO DO YOU HAVE A MOTION MARK OR ? I'M ONLY 1 0 5. WELL MAKE A MOTION. DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? I MEAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I KNOW WE GOTTA PUT SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6 A SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS [04:00:01] RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT REZONING P 24 DASH TWO AS PRESENTED, BE DISAPPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL ROLL CALL MS. EBRA. BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE A MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. RIGHT. SO MR. CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE THE REZONING WAS VOTED AND NO, THERE IS NO PURPOSE IN CONTINUING TO THIS CONSIDER THE CP AND THE SITING AGREEMENT. AND SO AT THAT POINT YOU CAN MOVE ALONG PAST ITEMS E AND F. OKAY. ALL [13.A. Appointments] NEW BUSINESS? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A, A COUPLE APPOINTMENTS TO MAKE TONIGHT TO SOME BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THE FIRST IS TO THE DISTRICT 19 COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO UM, APPOINT DONNA HARRISON FOR A THREE YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE. 9 30 20 27. DO I HAVE A SECOND? AYE. ROLL CALL. MS. ABRA BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. ALL VOTING? AYE. AND NEXT, THE CRATER PLANNING DISTRICT METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO APPOINT, UM, CASEY DOOLEY TO A TERM TO EXPIRE. NINE THIRTY TWENTY TWENTY FIVE. SECOND. SECOND ROLL CALL MISSY BRO. BONNER AYE. MR. DOOLEY ABSTAIN. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS? AYE. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSTAIN. NO OTHER APPOINTMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN? OKAY. [14. CITIZEN COMMENTS (3 MINUTES)] DOWN TO CITIZEN'S COMMENT. DO YOU HAVE ANY SIGN ONE SIGNED UP? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE MAUREEN JONES. MAUREEN JONES, 49 0 3 STERLING ROAD. WHAT IS SO PRECIOUS TO HARRISON MOODY? MOST OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE DEVELOPER FRIENDS, CARRIE COINER AND BRYANT GAMMON, THAT THEY WOULD COLLABORATE UNETHICALLY IN WAYS TO OBTAIN IT. IT'S PHASE ONE OF COINER COUNTRY, THE GAMMON GATE APARTMENTS. THE MONEY AND POLITICAL FAVOR TO BE GAINED ARE SO SIGNIFICANT TO THE THESE FEW THAT IT IS WORTH THERE. BULLYING, EXTORTING, AND DRIVING HOMEOWNERS OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IGNORING FOIA REQUESTS, IGNORING THE PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS OF SHERIFF ADAMS AND MAJOR KNOT OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT. DISMISSING 1000 CITIZENS' VOICES AND FAILING TO ANSWER THEIR COMMUNICATIONS. LAYING HEAVY HARDSHIPS ON A LOWER INCOME COMMUNITY WITH SALT ADDED TO THE WOUNDS BY MR. CHAVIS SAYING YOU'LL GET USED TO IT. STRETCHING THE VIRGINIA PLANNING CODE TO OBSCENE LIMITS, DEVISING FALSE DATA AND FAKING THE FEASIBILITY OF THE GAMMON GATE APARTMENTS AND MORE. PSALM 36. THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE HIS EYES. FOR IN HIS OWN EYES HE FLATS HIMSELF TOO MUCH TO DETECT OR HATE HIS SIN. THE WORDS OF HIS MOUTH ARE WICKED AND DECEITFUL. HE HAS CEASED TO BE WISE AND TO DO GOOD EVEN ON HIS OWN BED. HE PLOTS EVIL. HE COMMITS HIMSELF TO A SINFUL COURSE AND DOES NOT REJECT WHAT IS WRONG. THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN OUTSMART THE GREATER DESIGNER AND ORCHESTRATOR OF ALL THE ONE WHO ALWAYS WAS HE IS NOW AND NEVER SHALL BE THE ONE GOD PROVEN BY HISTORICAL RECORDS, ARTIFACTS, BIBLE OF ALL OF CREATION AND YES EVEN SCIENCE. THE SINGULAR GOD WHO PROMISES TO DESTROY THE HOUSE OF THE WICKED BUT WILL MAKE THE TENSE OF THE UPRIGHT FLOURISH THE GOD WHO HAS PROVIDED THE WAY TO TRUE PARADISE AND ETERNAL HAPPINESS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. WHEN EACH OF US HAS REACHED OUR EARTHLY CONCLUSION, ALL THAT WILL REMAIN IS THE RESULT OF WHO YOU CHOOSE AS YOUR ULTIMATE AUTHORITY. AND UH, PSALM 37 IS AN EXCELLENT FOLLOW UP READING FOR THAT IF YOU'VE GOT THE TIME. AND JUST TO NOTE HERE, UM, IT WAS INTERESTING THAT YOU SHOWED MORE CONCERN FOR TWO HOUSES THAT COULD BE AFFECTED BY SOLAR AND YOU DISREGARDED HUNDREDS OF HOUSES THAT HAVE A 10 FOOT BORDER, A 10 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THREE STORY APARTMENTS WITH APPROXIMATELY 900 PEOPLE. AND YOU WERE CONCERNED OVER THE CITIZENS THAT LIVED HERE FOR 45 YEARS. HOW ABOUT ALL THE CITIZENS ON COX ROAD AND ON STERLING ROAD WHO'VE INVESTED THEIR LIVES [04:05:01] FOR YEARS HERE? YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THAT. YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT COVERING OR TAKING CARE OF PRIVACY ISSUES FOR PEOPLE BY THE STORAGE UNITS BECAUSE THEIR PRIVACY MIGHT HAVE BEEN, MIGHT BE INFRINGED UPON. YOU SHOWED MORE CONCERN FOR A FEW THAN YOU DID FOR A LARGE GROUP WHO ALSO CARES ABOUT DE WITTY AND WHY BECAUSE CARRIE COIN'S POLITICAL POWER AND THE BOARD'S PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. GAMMON HAS INTERFERED WITH REASON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE EVERY TIME YOU COME, YOU MAKE MY EGO GET BIGGER. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SUSAN CARSON. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UM, MY NAME'S SUSAN CARSON. I LIVE AT 2 0 7 7 1 REESE ROAD AND I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT REESE ROAD, UM, WHICH IS IN MR. AVI'S DISTRICT. UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT THERE FOR 16 YEARS. THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD, WE FINALLY GOT SOME DITCHES IN THE PAST 30 DAYS BECAUSE I CORNERED MR. FRENCH AT THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UM, HE KNOWS MY NAME VERY WELL BY NOW. UM, BUT IN THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE FOR THE SHOOTING RANGE VDOT DID, SAID THAT WE HAVE 45 CARS ON THIS DIRT ROAD A DAY. UM, THE ROAD IS 1.19 MILES LONG AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE ARE ON THE SIX YEAR PLAN AND WE'RE ON THE SIX YEAR AND WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY TAR GRAVEL. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE 12 HOMES ON THAT ROAD. WHEN I TALKED TO MR. FRENCH LAST MEETING, HE SAID THAT UM, WE ARE BEING PUSHED BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO PAVE CHERRY HILL ROAD, WHICH IS A GRAVEL ROAD THAT HAS ZERO HOMES ON IT. ZERO. THERE'S NOT ONE HOUSE ON CHERRY HILL ROAD. IT IS CONSIDERED IMPORTANT TO HIM BECAUSE IT IS A VDOT CUT THROUGH AND HIS EQUIPMENT COMES THROUGH THERE. I'M SORRY. 12 HOMES ARE MORE IMPORTANT ON HOW SHORT A DISTANT IS FOR BDOT EQUIPMENT. UM, AND I JUST WANNA SHARE, I'LL BRING THESE FORWARD FOR YOU. I HAVE A PETITION THIS ONE FOR KEVIN? YEP. IF THAT'S THE ORIGINAL. YEP. OKAY. AND THIS IS FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE A PETITION FROM ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT I COULD GET HOLD OF THAT WEREN'T ON VACATION BEFORE SCHOOL STARTED, UM, TO LOOK AT THIS SIX YEAR PLAN TO SEE WHERE WE TRULY ARE ON REESE ROAD. UM, AGAIN, IT IS SIGNED BY EVEN OUR MALE LADY AND OUR UPS DRIVER SIGNED OUR PETITION BECAUSE IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND, UH, THE SCHOOL BUS DRIVER, SHE, I COULDN'T CATCH HER THIS MORNING BUT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH HER THAT IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR HER TO BACK HER BUS AROUND SO THAT SHE'S NOT CAUGHT IN THE MUD WHEN WE HAVE HEAVY RAINS. SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU ALL LOOK INTO HIM AND YOU TALK TO MR. FRENCH. I WILL ALSO DELIVER HIM A PETITION TOMORROW IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO REESE ROAD NOT BEING IN THE NEXT SIX YEAR PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP. OKAY. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS? I DON'T HAVE ANY. I DO NOT. NO ONE HAS ANY. MS. BONNER, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING? NO, I DO NOT. I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING EITHER. SO WHAT WE NEED IS A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. SO MOVED. SECOND ROLL CALL MS. EBRA BONNER. AYE. MR. DOOLEY? AYE. DR. MOORE? AYE. MR. LEE? AYE. MR. CHAVIS AYE. ALL VOTING AYE. MEETING IS ADJOURNED. ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.