* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKAY, SIR, YOU ARE LIVE. THIS [1. CALL TO ORDER] BEING THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE SEPTEMBER 11TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. UH, IF YOU WOULD, LET'S STAND AND SAY A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND THEN HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, ROLL CALL. MR. GURLEY. GIMME ONE SECOND. MR. CUNNINGHAM. MR. SIMMONS. HERE. MR. TUCKER? HERE. MR. HAYES? HERE. MR. LANGLEY? HERE. MR. HARVILLE HERE. AND MR. TUSS HERE. SIX MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. YOU [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] HAVE THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU AND WERE EMAILED IT EARLIER IN THE WEEK. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE AGENDA? MARK? UH, STAFF HAS NO CHANGES, MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT. ANY OF THE PLANNING? COMMISSIONERS THEN I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED. I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND. ALRIGHT. MOTION'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. HARVILLE? YES. AND MR. TITMUS? YES. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. THE AUGUST 14TH, 2024. [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] REGULAR MEETING MINUTES WERE MAILED OUT TO Y'ALL. WERE ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE MINUTES? MOVE THEIR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. ALRIGHT. ROLL CALL. MR. SIMMONS. YES. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. HARVILLE? YES. AND MR. TUSS? YES. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. WE COME TO THE TIME IN THE MEETING WHERE WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL CITIZENS COMMENT. THIS IS A TIME FOR THE CITIZENS OF DENWOODY COUNTY TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND ADDRESS THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING BEING HEARD TONIGHT, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AT THIS TIME TO COME FORWARD AND DO SO. MR. GURLEY, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO. MR. CHAIR. WE DO NOT. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME? HEARING NONE. I'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD AND WE WILL MOVE [7. PUBLIC HEARING] ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE FIRST CASE, CASE, P DASH 24 DASH 10. MR. BASSETT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. AS YOU INDICATED, MS. CHAIR, THIS UH, THE CASE WE WE'RE HOLDING PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS EVENING IS P DASH 24 DASH 10. I HAVE ONE SLIDE, UH, RELATED TO THE PROJECT, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE COMMISSIONERS. UM, FOR THEIR REFERENCE AS I GO THROUGH THE PLANNING STAFF REPORT, UH, YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT'S TWO PROPERTIES, UH, TAX MAP PARCEL 34 DASH 18 B AND 18 CE. UH, THE REQUESTED REZONING, UH, THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING IS, UM, THE TERRY'S ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM A TO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL TO R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED. UH, THE PROPERTIES IN THE GENERAL AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INCLUDE A MIX OF VACANT AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL LAND USES. UH, THERE ARE ALSO TO NOTE SEVERAL PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF DUNCAN ROAD, UM, THAT ARE ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED. AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE PROPERTIES, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS ZONED A TO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PURPOSE AND GENERAL STATEMENT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE ZONING CLASSIFICATION, UH, IT'S TO BE COMPOSED OF CERTAIN QUIET LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS PLUS CERTAIN [00:05:01] OPEN AREAS WHERE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT APPEARS LIKELY TO OCCUR. AND GIVEN THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS MADE UP OF OPEN AREAS AND STABLE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS ON SIMILARLY SIZED PROPERTIES AND OR PARCELS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WE FEEL LIKE IS WELL SUITED FOR THE R ONE ZONING. UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLACES, UH, THIS GENERAL AREA, UH, WITHIN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA AND THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT DOES ALLOW FOR LIMITED RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING SCALE OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS GENERAL AREA. THERE ARE OTHER SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS ON SIMILARLY SIZED PROPERTIES, UH, WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING. UH, LOOKING AT THE IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED REZONING, UH, WE DID TAKE THE, UH, PROJECT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. THEY REALLY DID NOT HAVE ANY, UM, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT REZONING. UH, THEIR, THE, THEIR EXISTING PARCELS. UM, THE ONE PARCEL DOES HAVE THE EXISTING DWELLING ON IT. UM, AND LOOKING AT THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS, THEY DO HAVE AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UH, THAT'S WITHIN COMPLIANCE, UH, VDOT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE STANDARDS. UM, THIS EVENING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY GIVEN THAT THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USE, THE DWELLING. AND I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING, UH, TO PROPOSE AN ADDITION ONTO THE EXISTING DWELLING. UM, AND WE FEEL LIKE THE, UH, EXISTING DWELLING ALONG WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITION DOES CONFORM TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE THIS EVENING, UM, UH, TO SUPPORT THEIR APPLICATION. AND, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I JUST GOT, I, MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITION ON THE HOUSE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS YES. ARE THEY GONNA BE WITHIN THEIR SETBACKS? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK FOR NO, THEY, UM, WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE, UM, SETBACKS. OKAY. FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THE R ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND JUST SAY A COUPLE THINGS IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WOULD, WHEN YOU STEP TO THE PODIUM, IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND CURRENT ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MY NAME IS THERON TERRY LIVE IN 9 9 0 6 DUNCAN ROAD NORTH. DUNWOODY, IT, IT, I HAD A PERMITTED ONE TIME WHEN I ADDED ONTO THE HOUSE. EXACT SAME AREA. I'M NOT GOING TO EITHER SIDE. I HAVE ABOUT 40 OR SOME FEET ON THE BACK. IT'S JUST, I NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER BATHROOM IN THE HOUSE. MY WIFE AT ONE TIME BROKE HER. I HAD THE HIP REPLACED. SHE BROKE HER ANKLE AND HAD TO HAD THAT REBUILT. I'M DOING, I'M GOING THROUGH SOME MEDICAL PROBLEMS MYSELF RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I CAN BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND IN THE HOUSE AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I COME UP HERE NOW, JUST TO GET THAT SO I CAN GET THAT DONE. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. NO, NO. I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO. MR. CHAIR, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING? HEARING NONE. I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. WHAT WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO DO AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIR? I'M GONNA READ IT. ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. BE IT RESOLVED AT ANY ORDERS OF SOME ASSURANCE. COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6 A SEVEN IS STATED THAT [00:10:01] THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO PRACTICE, I MEANT, EXCUSE ME, FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS, PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT ZONING P DASH 24 DASH 10 BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR. SECOND. ALRIGHT. PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. HARBO? YES. AND MR. TUSS? YES. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT. VOTING IP DASH 24 DASH 10 HAS BEEN APPROVED, UH, TO GO TO, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. ALL RIGHT. WE CONTINUE TO MOVE ALONG TO CASE P DASH 24 DASH 12. HAVE WE RESOLVED WHATEVER ISSUE WE HAD? MR. CHAFF? I COULD ASK THE ATTORNEY SITTING IN THE BACK. YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD CHANGE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT? NO SIR. I THINK, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO IT AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE. OKAY. SO, ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE HAS BEEN A SMALL ISSUE. NOT ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS WERE PROPERLY NOTIFIED. AND IN THE CASE WHERE THAT HAPPENS, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST IS WE WILL LISTEN TO THE CASE TONIGHT. YOU AS CITIZENS, IF YOU'RE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST IT, WE'LL GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT WE WILL NOT VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE NOTIFIED AFTER TONIGHT SO THAT IT ALL FALLS IN COMPLIANCE. AND NEXT MONTH WE WILL HAVE THE VOTE. NOW THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN NEXT WEEK, NEXT MONTH, NEXT MONTH. I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, I'VE OUTTA TOWN NEXT WEEK. I'M SORRY, . UH, BUT NEXT MONTH. SO WHEN I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WELL, WE REALLY WON'T OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL JUST ASK Y'ALL IF Y'ALL WANT TO COME UP, BECAUSE NEXT WEEK WHEN IT'S ALL OFFICIAL, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER. BUT TO KEEP FROM DRAWING IT OUT, WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO THE CASE TONIGHT, HEAR ALL THE PARTICULARS ON IT, TALK WITH THE APPLICANT, DO ALL THAT. BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE A VOTE TONIGHT. IS THAT YES, MR. CHAIR, LET ME, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. DO OPEN IT TONIGHT. YEAH. AND WE WILL REOPEN IT NEXT TIME AS WELL. OKAY. SO I CAN OPEN AND CLOSE IT AND REOPEN IT AND CLOSE IT NEXT MONTH? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, DO, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL, IF I CAN EXPLAIN TO THE CITIZENS TOO, THE VIRGINIA CODE REQUIRES YOU TO SEND NOTICES, UM, SOME OF THESE DAYS AHEAD OF A PUBLIC HEARING LIKE THIS WHEN THERE'S A REZONING AND AS, UH, VIRGINIA CODE CAN BE SOMEWHAT AMBIGUOUS, UM, AS TO WHAT IS ADJOINING OR NOT ADJOINING. THIS IS JUST A LITTLE NUANCE OF A PROPERTY ACROSS A RAILROAD TRACK TO A DIAGONAL AND ANOTHER PROPERTY KIND OF IN THE SAME WAY. UM, BUT WE AS STAFF AND THE COUNTY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN THE AREA HAS NOTICE. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO, TO, TO MAKE A DECISION FOR Y'ALL TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT. SO, AND I APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE WITH THAT AND THE APPLICANT AS WELL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? ALRIGHT, UH, MARK, IF YOU'LL COME ON UP AND GO THROUGH THE CASE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, THIS IS CASE P DASH 24 DASH 12. THE APPLICANT IS RESON COMPANIES INCORPORATED AND THEIR AGENT IS HERE WITH THEM THIS EVENING. MR. KERRY HUTCHINSON, UH, HE'S THEIR, UH, ATTORNEY THIS EVENING. UH, THE REZONING REQUEST, UH, FOR THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, UH, TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM ITS CURRENT ZONING AGRICULTURAL GENERAL, A TWO TO BUSINESS GENERAL B TWO WITH PROFFERS. THEY DID SUBMIT, UH, PROFFERS ALONG WITH THE REZONING REQUEST. UH, THE PROPERTY LOCATION ITSELF, UM, IS JUST A PORTION OF THE, UM, OVERALL PARCEL. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 2.75 ACRES IN SIZE AND FRONTS ON ROUTE FOUR 60 AND CLAY STREET ROAD. UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, IS A BETTER REPRESENTATION OF EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED FOR REZONING THIS EVENING. UM, AS A LOT OF YOU MAY WELL KNOW, UH, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS, THIS, [00:15:01] UH, PROPERTY. THE PROPERTIES IN THE GENERAL AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DO INCLUDE A MIX OF VACANT AGRICULTURAL INSTITUTIONAL USES. THAT'S CORINTH COMMUNITY CHURCH, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ACROSS CLAY STREET ROAD FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND FURTHER DOWN CLAY STREET ROAD. ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD IS THE DIY COUNTY MANNED, UH, DROP OFF TRASH SITE. AND OF COURSE THERE'S ALSO RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, SURROUNDING, UH, PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IS THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY. THE, UH, MANNED TRASH SITE THAT I HAD UH, DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WAS REZONED TO M1 INDUSTRIAL LIMITED WITH PROFFERS BACK IN 2015. AND THE RAILROAD, UM, RIGHT OF WAY IS ZONED B ONE BUSINESS LIMITED. AND OF COURSE, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, THE REMAINING SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS OWNED A TWO AGRICULTURAL, UH, SET FORTH IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FOR THE BUSINESS GENERAL B TWO ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS INTENDED FOR AREAS WITHIN THE COUNT COMMUNITY THAT ARE APPROPRIATELY LOCATED FOR THE CONDUCT OF GENERAL BUSINESS TO WHICH THE PUBLIC REQUIRES DIRECT AND FREQUENT ACCESS. GIVEN THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FRONTS ON ROUTE FOUR 60, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WELL SUITED FOR GENERAL BUSINESS USES REQUIRING FREQUENT VEHICLE ACCESS. UH, TO NOTE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, PER THE SITE PLAN THAT IS PART OF THE REZONING, PROPER PROFFERS, UH, WOULD ONLY BE ACCESSED FROM CLAY STREET ROAD. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, THERE WOULD BE NO DIRECT ACCESS FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ONTO ROUTE FOUR 60. ADDITIONALLY, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, THE SUBJECT PRO PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE, WHAT WE CALL THE FORD RURAL VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH ALLOWS FOR LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. THE B TWO ZONING DISTRICT DOES ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU CAN TELL, INDICATED IN THE, UH, REZONING REQUEST AS WELL AS THE PROFFERS, THEY ARE REQUESTING FOR, UM, SMALL SCALE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. UM, LOOKING AT PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC UTILITY IMPACTS. UM, OF COURSE THE PROPER, THE BUILDING PROPOSED WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FIRE CODE AND BUILDING CODE. UM, IN ADDITION, ONSITE WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS WILL BE UTILIZED TO SERVE THE PROPOSED FACILITY. UM, LOOKING AT THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS, UH, VDOT DID INDICATE THAT THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED ZONING ACTION AND THAT DURING, UH, SITE PLAN REVIEW, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY PARTICULARS RELATED TO TURN LANES OR TAPERS INTO THE PROPERTY, THOSE WOULD BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS. UM, LOOKING AT THE PROFFERS, THE APPLICANT DID PROFFER TO, UM, UM, LIMIT THE USES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THEY DID, UH, INDICATE THAT, UM, CERTAIN USES IN THE V TWO ZONING DISTRICT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED AS PART OF THE REZONING. THOSE WOULD BE DRUG STORES, AUTO AND HOME APPLIANCE SERVICES, FUNERAL HOMES, DRY CLEANERS, MACHINERY, SALES AND SERVICE, PUBLIC BILLIARD PARLORS AND POOL ROOMS, BOWLING ALLEYS, DANCE HALLS IN SIMILAR FORMS OF PUBLIC AMUSEMENT AMUSEMENT CENTERS, CABINET FURNITURE AND UPHOLSTERY SHOPS, VETERINARY HOSPITAL CLASSIC AND COLLECTIBLE CAR SALES AND RESTORATION FACILITY, NURSERY AND LANDSCAPING SHOW, HORSE FACILITY AND RIDING ACADEMY, UH, KENNEL AND ALSO FLEA MARKETS. ALSO, THEY DID PROFFER TO USE CERTAIN BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, AS PART OF THEIR, THEIR PROFFERS BUILDING MATERIALS USED ON THE, UM, SOUTHERN, WESTERN AND EASTERN ELEVATIONS OF ANY BUILDING CONSTRUCTED ON THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY SHALL BE A COMBINATION OF BRICK CEMENT SIDING SUCH AS HARDY PLANK OR EC EQUIVALENT MATERIALS AS DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE EXTERIOR OF ANY ACCESSORY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE SHALL BE COMPATIBLE IN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE [00:20:01] MATERIAL AND COLOR WITH THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING SHALL GENERALLY CONFORM TO THE CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS ATTACHED HERE TO AND INCORPORATED HEREIN AS EXHIBIT B AS PART OF THE PROFFERS. AND THEY DID ADDRESS LIGHTING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UH, THAT LIGHTING WOULD BE DIRECTED DOWNWARD AND INWARD TO THE SITE AND AVOID CASTING LIGHT ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR INTO THE NIGHT SKY. UH, PLANNING STAFF THIS EVENING IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY GIVEN THAT THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL WITH THE PROFFERS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES THE PRO PROPOSED USE CONFORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THE FORD RURAL VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. IT'S ALL I HAVE FOR MY PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, PART OF THE STAFF REPORT. BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT'S THE SPEED LIMIT THROUGH THAT AREA? YOU KNOW? YES. LET ME GO BACK TO THE VO REPORT. 55, UH, CLAY STREET ROAD HAS A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION OF LOCAL, OF A LOCAL ROAD IN THE STATUTORY SPEED LIMIT BASED ON VIRGINIA CODE IS 55 MILES PER HOUR. IT'S 60 ON FOUR 60. YEAH. AND ROUTE 4 60 60. THANK YOU MR. HAYES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MR. BEN. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? PLEASE? UH, SAY YOUR NAME AND I GUESS FOR YOU THE BUSINESS ADDRESS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS CARRIE HUTCHERSON. I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 1 3 2 7 1 RIVERS BEND BOULEVARD, CHESTER, VIRGINIA. WE JUST MOVED, SO I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THAT ADDRESS. , UH, THANKS AGAIN ALSO FOR WORKING WITH US ON THIS PROCEDURAL ISSUE WITH NOTICES. IT IS DEFINITELY OUR INTENT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN THE AREA WHO IS ENTITLED TO NOTICE GETS IT. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN REACHING OUT TO THE CORINTH CHURCH FOR SOME ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH AS WELL SPOKEN WITH SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ABOUT THIS CASE AS WELL. UM, AGAIN, I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF RETIN COMPANIES. THE APPLICANT, MATT WILLIAMS FROM RESON IS ALSO HERE. UH, RESONS ENGINEER SETH EMERSON FROM SUMMIT ENGINEERING IS ALSO HERE. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS CASE. UH, JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS IN MORE DETAIL. MR. BASSETT'S PRESENTATION WAS GREAT AT COVERING MOST OF THIS STUFF ANYWAY, BUT, UM, HERE'S AERIAL SHOT OF THE SITE THAT IT'S JUST 2.75 ACRES OF THE LARGER PROPERTY. THIS WOULD BE SUBDIVIDED AFTER ZONING AND, UM, CREATED AS ITS OWN SEPARATE SITE. UH, AS MATT, MR. BASSETT POINTED OUT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, PUBLIC USES, I'LL CALL THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE USES THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THEY VARY AS FAR AS WHAT THEY ARE MORE SPECIFICALLY IN LAND USE CATEGORY. BUT WE'VE GOT THE TRANSFER STATION FOR THE COUNTY. WE'VE GOT THE CHURCH, WE HAVE A GAS STATION DOWN THE ROAD, AND THERE'S SOME AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL MIXED IN AS WELL. AND AS MR. BASSETT POINTED OUT, THIS IS IN THE FORD, UH, RURAL VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA WHERE COMMERCIAL USES ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO, UH, RETAIL USE HERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, IT'S A PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE, UH, WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT EXISTING PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS RECOMMENDATIONS. THIS IS A GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THE COMMERCIAL TAX BASE, PROVIDE SOME JOBS, BOLSTER THE LOCAL ECONOMY. EACH ONE OF THESE STORES THAT WE DEVELOP FOR DOLLAR GENERAL REPRESENTS OVER A MILLION DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT IN THE PROPERTY IN THE COMMUNITY LOCALLY, UH, RETS AND COMPANY SERVES AS ITS GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON ALL OF ITS PROJECTS AND LIKES TO PRIORITIZE HIRING LOCAL CONTRACTORS WHEREVER POSSIBLE. IT'S A GOOD WAY OF KEEPING THE INVESTMENT DOLLARS IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND WE TRY TO DO THAT WHEREVER POSSIBLE. I BELIEVE WE DID THAT WITH THE SUTHERLAND STORE THAT WE DEVELOPED NOT LONG AGO TO SOME DEGREE. [00:25:02] UM, IT'S ALSO GONNA PROVIDE A CONVENIENT PLACE FOR ITY CITIZENS TO SHOP FOR EVERYDAY ITEMS AT REASONABLE PRICES WITHOUT HAVING TO TRAVEL TOO FAR ACROSS ONE END OF THE COUNTY TO THE OTHER OR OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY. KEEP THOSE TAX DOLLARS WITHIN INSIDE DENWITTY COUNTY. ALL RIGHT, UH, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A PROFFERED CONCEPT PLAN. SO DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO OCCUR IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THIS PROFFERED CONCEPT PLAN. I WILL MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THIS IN ADDITION TO HAVING THE LAYOUT OF THE STORE BUILDING AND PARKING, UH, STORM WATER, BMP POND ALL LAID OUT IN GENERAL, A FORMAT ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN. WE'VE ALSO GOT AN ACCESS POINT. NOT SURE IF I CAN UTILIZE YEAH, NOW WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW IT ON THE TV SCREEN, BUT IF YOU LOOK BACK ON CLAY STREET ROAD TOWARDS THE BACK NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE ACCESS THAT'S AS FAR AWAY FROM ROUTE FOUR 60 AS WE CAN FIT IT REALLY. UH, AND WE'VE VETTED THIS WITH PAUL HENSON AT VDOT INITIALLY, JUST TO GET HIS FEEDBACK ON IT. HE SUBMITTED COMMENTS THAT YOU HEARD ALREADY FROM MR. BASSETT. VDOT AT THIS POINT HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE ZONING CASE. MR. HENSON HAS SAID THAT FOR SO FAR WHAT WE'VE SHOWN HERE LOOKS LIKE IT'LL MEET THE VDOT ACCESS MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS. OF COURSE, WE'LL HAVE TO GET INTO MORE DETAILS WITH VDOT AT TIME OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL AS WELL AND MAKE SURE WE MEET ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS. UH, BUT WE'VE GIVEN A GOOD DEAL OF THOUGHT TO MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO QUICKLY, CONVENIENTLY, AND SAFELY GET TRAFFIC OFF OF ROUTE FOUR 60 TO OUR SITE AND THEN BACK ON THE ROAD WITHOUT DISRUPTING THROUGH TRAFFIC. UH, LET'S SEE. PROFFERED CONDITIONS ALSO INCLUDE THOSE LIMITATIONS ON SOME USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE B TWO DISTRICT, BUT WE'D RATHER NOT HAVE THEM ON THIS SITE. WE THINK THEY'D PROBABLY BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND MR. BASSETT READ OFF THAT LIST OF USES THAT WE WOULD BE RESTRICTING HERE. AND SO, UH, JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WHO'S THINKING WAY OFF IN THE FUTURE, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS IS NO LONGER A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE? WELL, COULD IT BECOME, UH, A POOL HALL? WELL, NO, IT COULDN'T BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT THAT'S A PROHIBITED USE HERE WITH OUR PROFFERED CONDITIONS. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER USES THAT IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM BEING USED FOR. UH, WE, WE HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS. AGAIN, WE ARE PROFFERING THAT THE BUILDING BE IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THESE ELEVATIONS AND MEET THE BUILDING MATERIALS THAT WE'VE SPECIFIED THERE. THIS IS THE STORE IN SUTHERLAND. SO IT'S A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO WITH THIS STORE. AND, UH, WE ALSO ADDED THE NIGHT SKY PROFFERS THAT WE, WE ALWAYS DO WITH THESE STORES TO MAKE THESE STORES LIGHTING NIGHT SKY FRIENDLY AND KEEP GLARE OFF OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN THE ROADWAY. I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND SPEAK TO YOU. AND AGAIN, I HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO VOTE ON RECOMMENDING THIS CASE THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'LL BE NEXT MONTH. SO FOR NOW, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR RESPOND TO ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I HAVE ONE MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD. UM, MY QUESTION IS, WILL THAT BE A DOLLAR GENERAL SUPERMARKET OR IS IT GOING TO BE A STANDARD DOLLAR GENERAL STORE? THIS ONE IS GONNA BE ONE THAT, THAT'S GONNA HAVE A MARKET ASPECT TO IT. AND AS FAR AS WHAT PRODUCTS ARE ACTUALLY CARRIED IN THAT MARKET, IT'LL BE DEPENDENT ON JUST WHATEVER THE CUSTOMERS IN THE AREA. WHAT THEIR BUYING HABITS TEND TO INDICATE IS, YOU KNOW, HIGH DEMAND. SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'LL JUST BE CUSTOMIZED TO WHOEVER COMES INTO THE STORE AND AND SHOPS THERE. BUT YEAH, THERE WILL BE A MARKET ASPECT TO IT FOR FOOD. THANK YOU. YEP. AL, I, YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID IT BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. ARE THEY GONNA DO ANYTHING ON FOUR 60 POTENTIAL ATTORNEY LANE OR ANYTHING COMING INTO CLAY STREET BEING AT 60 MILE AN HOUR? IF THERE IS A WARRANT FOR IT UNDER THE VDOT WARRANTS FOR A TURN LANE, THEN YES. OKAY. OTHERWISE, NO. [00:30:01] UH, RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO US THAT IT, IT WOULD WARRANT A TURN LANE. UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE SITE PLAN PROCESS WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE US TO ADDRESS. YES, SIR. I, I TRULY, I, I LIVE IN THAT AREA. UM, BEEN A LOCAL VOLUNTEER FIREMAN DOWN THERE FOR MANY YEARS. WE'VE HAD SOME BAD ACCIDENTS UP ON THAT END OF THE COUNTY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY AT BEST INTEREST IF SOMEBODY WOULD LOOK AT THAT COMING OFF AT FOUR 60 TRAFFIC. WELL, NO DOUBT IT'S GIVING YOU AHEAD OF SURE THING. WELL, NO DOUBT. THAT'LL CERTAINLY BE LOOKED AT AT SITE, AT TIME OF SITE PLAN AND WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AS WELL. OKAY. YES, SIR. I, I GOT A QUESTION NOW, BUT I'LL DEFINITELY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, OTHER QUESTIONS LATER KIND OF RELATED TO, UM, WAS JUST ASKED, BUT, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE PARCEL? WELL, TWO QUESTIONS I GUESS. WHAT IS THE PARCEL? UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL, UM, SITE PLAN? YES, SIR. WHAT'S THAT PARCEL DOWN TO THE SOUTHWEST THERE? YOU CAN SEE IT BARELY. THERE IS WOODED. IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, ON MARK'S, UH, DRAWING. IT WAS A DIFFERENT PARCEL. WHAT IS THAT AND WHAT IS IT ZONED? IT'S NOT OWNED BY YOUR, IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON HERE, IS IT? MM. MARK MIGHT HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THE EXISTING ZONING. OH, SHOOT, WE DON'T, WELL I THOUGHT WE HAD, WELL SEE THE WOODED AREA RIGHT THERE. THAT'S, YES. THAT WOODED AREA. THAT WOODED AREA IS LO IS IS DESIGNATED ON THE PREVIOUS, UH, ON MARK'S, UH, UH, SITE PLAN OR EXCUSE ME, STAFF REPORT. THAT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL. 28 32 I THINK. I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHO OWNS THAT AND WHAT'S THE ZONE, MR. BASSETT, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? I'M SORRY. YEAH. THANK YOU. MR. JURY, UH, HAS THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER LIST AND 28 PARCEL 28 32 IS ROBERT A. WILLIAMS JR. IS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND IT'S, AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S ZONED? IT WOULD BE ZONED A TWO. OKAY. AGRICULTURAL GENERAL. AND THEN ONE STATEMENT YOU MADE, AND I'LL COME BACK TO IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU MENTIONED YOU UM, SO THIS IS THE ONLY PIECE OF YOUR ZONING WANTING TO REZONE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. YES SIR. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING PHYSICALLY PREVENTING YOU FROM REZONING, SAY, ALL ALONG CLAY STREET ROAD ALL THE WAY BACK TO NORFOLK SOUTHERN, IS THERE ANYTHING PREVENTING YOU FROM DOING THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SELLER HAS ENTERTAINED THAT CONCEPT. OKAY. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT WHEN I OKAY. GET TO MR. LANGLEY'S. UH, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO MR. LANGLEY WILL. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO COME BACK TO LATER. I CAN. MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, SORRY, THIS IS MATT WILLIAMS FROM RESON. HE MAY BE ABLE TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS. THAT'S FINE. YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S FINE. MATT WILLIAMS, RESON COMPANIES, UM, WEST END, NORTH CAROLINA. UM, BASICALLY WHAT CARRIE JUST POINTED OUT, UH, WE'RE ONLY UNDER CONTRACT FOR 2.75 PLUS OR MINUS, AND THE SELLER WAS AT, AT, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, NOT WILLING TO PART WITH ANY MORE PROPERTY. SO, OKAY. WELL I DO HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT FOLKS GOTTA SAY FIRST. ANYBODY ELSE? WOULD YOU MAKE IT BRICK WE'LL BE HERE? I'M SORRY? WOULD YOU MAKE IT BRICK? WHAT DO WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT PROPERTY? I THINK THERE IS SOME BRICK, SOME BRICK. IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THE OTHER ONE ON IN SUTHERLAND. RIGHT. SO FOUR FOOT BRICK KNEE WALL OR WE SCOPE WITH HARDY PLANK WITH THE, ON THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING. THE QUESTION WAS, WOULD YOU MAKE IT ALL BRICK ON, ON THE, ON THOSE THREE ELEVATIONS? YES, I CAN ASK THAT QUESTION. I CAN'T, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT UP ANSWER ON THAT RIGHT NOW. WELL, WE GOT A WHOLE MONTH TO YEAH. TO GET THAT ANSWER IN. YEAH. SO, BUT I, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE ONE IN SUTHERLAND. I KNOW OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM PICKED IT OUT, UH, BUT WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHY WE WENT HAVE SOME NICE RED BRICK. YEAH. I MEAN STOREFRONTS THAT Y'ALL ALREADY HAVE PLANS FOR AND ALL THAT. SO I JUST FIGURED WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE AS OPPOSED TO THIS STYLE THAT YOU HAVE IN THE PICTURE? IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY. SOMETHING I'LL REVISIT, UM, WITH MY TEAM AND WE COULD, WE COULD GET SOME, SOME UPDATED ELEVATIONS. UM, AND IF YOU HAD A PARTICULAR COLOR BRICK OR IF, IF YOU'RE JUST SAYING DARK RED, RIGHT, WE'VE GOT SOME EXAMPLES ON PAST STORES WE'VE DONE NOT JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR CLIENT BUT FOR CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, OTHER NATIONAL VENDORS. SO, ALRIGHT, UM, SINCE MR. TILLMAN'S BROUGHT IT UP, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER SINCE YOU GOT A MONTH TOO. AND MY FAVORITE DOLLAR GENERAL IS IN NELLYS FOR AND NELSON COUNTY ON RIGHT. 1 51 ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1 51 IN NELLYS. TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE. THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S [00:35:01] A NICE, THAT'S THE BEST LOOKING RURAL, UM, UH, DOLLAR GENERAL I'VE EVER SEEN. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK YOU COULD WIN WIN FRIENDS AND CHANGE HEARTS AND MINDS IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ONE , I'M SERIOUS. IT'S A REALLY NICE, NICE, NICE LOOKING, UH, UM, DOLLAR GENERAL. ALRIGHT. AND THEN BACK TO YOU, THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED BY MR. SIMMONS EARLIER DG MARKET OR JUST DOLLAR GENERAL? SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA TOUCH ON. SO SOME, SOME OF THEIR PROTOTYPES IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE WITH SOME MARKET ASPECTS. RIGHT. THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A DOLLAR GENERAL MARKET. OKAY. SO THE MARKET BEING MORE SPECIFIC, WHAT MR. HUTCHERSON SAID ABOUT IT BEING SPECIFIC TO THE NEEDS OF THAT INDIVIDUAL STORE IS CORRECT. UM, YOU KNOW, PROXIMITY TO THE LOW, TO THE NEAREST DISTRIBUTION HUB, THAT, THAT SORT OF THING DRIVES, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH FRESH PRODUCE MEETS. RIGHT. BUT THIS IS A DOLLAR GENERAL MARKET. OKAY. I JUST THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THREE STYLES, DOLLAR GENERAL BY ITSELF, DOLLAR GENERAL MARKET, DOLLAR GENERAL POP SHELF I THINK IS ONE OF THEM. UH, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S NOT AROUND HERE. AND THEN THE URBAN, I THINK IT'S DOLLAR GENERAL X OR TGX FOR URBAN AREAS, WHICH WE DON'T, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT URBAN, BUT UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE MARKETS BECAUSE THERE'S ONE ON FOUR 60 AND PETERSBURG, THE DOLLAR GENERAL MARKET. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M IMPRESSED WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. HEY, ME TOO. , WHEN YOU GOT ONE DOWN THE STREET, YOU MAKE IT WAY, MAKE IT YOUR BUSINESS TO KNOW. WELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHILE WE'RE UP HERE, JUST IN CASE SETH FROM SUMMIT HAS ANY INFO ON TRAFFIC COUNTS AND INTERNAL WARRANTS, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL WHILE, OKAY, I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT EARLIER. I'M SORRY, BUT I FIGURED WE'LL JUST ADDRESS IT ALL AT ONCE IF WE CAN. YEAH, JUST, JUST ORIGINALLY WE, BEFORE WE EVEN KICK OFF A STORE, THEY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT. WE TALKED TO VDOT AND GET AN IDEA, SEND THEM UM, TRIP GEN COUNTS, UM, SEND THEM TRAFFIC DATA AND WE TALKED TO PAUL EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THIS SITE. HE SAW NO ISSUES, BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT ALL REALLY COMES DOWN TO SITE PLAN. SO HE'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT WHEN WE HAVE SITE PLANS AND HE'LL DECIDE, UM, AS FAR AS ANY TURN LANE WARRANTS. BUT THE MAIN THING RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAD WAS WE HAVE THE ENTRANCE AT THE LOCATION THAT HE WANTED OFF THE, THE INTERSECTION. SO. ALRIGHT. THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE A V DOCK REPRESENTATIVE ON BOARD . I, I, I, I GOT SOME MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT. I'LL, I I WILL SAY THIS IN FAIRNESS, I THINK THE ONE UP AT, UH, 1 53 IN TAWA COUNTY IS A GOOD COMPARISON IN TERMS OF ACCESS. I'M LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF IT RIGHT NOW. UM, YEAH. BUT, UH, ANYWAY, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AFTER. I'D LIKE TO GET, AND THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO GET OFF THE MAIN ROAD. IF WE HAVE A A, A MORE LOCAL ROAD, THAT'S WHERE WE WANT THE ENTRANCE AND THAT'S JUST, VDOT ALWAYS WANTS US TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE ENTRANCE OFF OF THE SIDE. TO YOUR POINT I, I'LL SAY THIS NOW, I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE ONE ACCESS AT CLAY STREET ROAD AND THEN JUST DOWN THE STREET YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE GOING BACK TO THE OLD POST OFFICE AREA, ADDING ANOTHER ONE IN BETWEEN WOULD BE, WOULD NOT BE GOOD. SO THE IDEA OF HAVING IT OFF OF PLACE THREE ROAD, I, I, I, I THINK IS THE BEST IDEA ONLY YEAH, CONTROL ACCESS. WHAT I WAS ASKING, WERE THEY GONNA PUT A TURNING LANE COMING IN OFF OF FOUR 60 INTO CLAY STREET ROAD? OH, YOU MEAN LIKE, UH, LIKE A DECELERATION? YEAH, CORRECT. DECELERATION ON THE RIGHT. YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK TO PAUL MORE ABOUT IT AND JUST SEE IF HE THINKS IT'S WARRANTED. YEAH, I'M PUTTING IN A HOLE ONE OFF OFF OF FOUR 60. NO, IT IS DOING A DECELERATION LANE TO TURN ON CLAY STREET TO TURN ON THAT GETS INTO WHAT'S CALLED A TIA AND I DON'T THINK THIS WARRANTS A TIA DOES. NO IT DOESN'T. YEAH. AND TYPICALLY THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE STORE, I MEAN WE'VE GOT, BASED ON THE IT CODES, WHICH IS REALLY GETTING IN THE WEEDS, UM, IT'S 53 VEHICLES PER HOUR IN THE PEAK HOUR, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHEN EVERYBODY'S GETTING OFF OF WORK. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S TOTAL TRIPS COMING INTO THE ENTRANCE. SO THAT'S 27 VEHICLES COMING IN AND 27 GOING OUT AT THAT PEAK HOUR OF THE DAY. AND Y'ALL CAN TELL I'VE BEEN BY A LOT OF THESE STORES. NORMALLY I DON'T SEE THAT MUCH COMING INTO IT, BUT, UM, WELL SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, YOU NOT AGREE THAT AT 390 VEHICLES PER DAY, THAT'S AN EQUIVALENT TO AN HOURLY VOLUME OF ABOUT 40 PRETTY ROUGH NUMBERS. 300. I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU THERE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S 400 PER DAY, 15% HOURLY VOLUME WOULD PROBABLY BE, WOULD BE ABOUT, UH, 40, 45, I MEAN ABOUT 60. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO THE POINT IS YOU'RE ADDING IN, YOU'RE BRINGING IN 50% MORE TRAFFIC OFF OF THAT STREET. YEAH. OFF OF CLAY STREET. YEAH. WELL, WE'LL, AND WE'LL TALK TO PAUL, [00:40:01] BUT, AND THAT'S THE THING, THERE'S NO VDOT PUBLISHED TRAFFIC DATA ON CLAY STREET ROAD. UM, SO THAT'S ONE THING. UM, TYPICALLY WE SEE IT ON THE HIGHER GENERATORS YEAH. FOR LOCAL. BUT, UM, NORMALLY IF IT'S A LOCAL ROAD, IT'S, THERE'S NORMALLY NOT TOO MUCH COUNTS. BUT I, I BRING THAT UP MORE FOR MY, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I STILL, I ADVOCATE FOR, WE SHOULD HAVE ORDINANCES IN THE COUNTY THAT, YOU KNOW, MEET OUR NEEDS AND NOT THE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY VDOT. RIGHT. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF VDOT REQUIRES IT OR NOT. WE CAN, WELL WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO SEE IN A PROPERTY. SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS WAITING TO HEAR FOLKS BEFORE I GOT SOME IDEAS FOR YOU ON THAT MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIR? YES. IF YOU COULD, UM, I, I, GOOD HE SAID YOUR NAME BUT CAN FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU FOR ME? YES. SETH EON, UM, WITH SUMMIT ENGINEERING. IT'S E-P-P-E-R-S-O-N. THANK YOU SIR. SORRY, THAT'S A HARD ONE. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. LET'S JUST GO OVER THIS ONE MORE TIME. WE'RE GONNA GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TONIGHT AND YOU WILL GET THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU FORGOT TO SAY SOMETHING TONIGHT, TO BE ABLE TO TALK AGAIN NEXT MONTH AND WHEN THIS CASE WILL BE VOTED ON. WHAT WE WILL NOT HAVE THE WHOLE, AM I RIGHT MARK? WE'RE NOT GONNA SIT AND LISTEN TO THE WHOLE SPIEL AGAIN NEXT MONTH OR WE ARE. UM, THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT. IT WILL BE MUCH BRIEFER. HOW ABOUT THAT? I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS THE CHAIRPERSON. ALRIGHT. UH, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK MR. CHAIR? I DON'T SEE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS CASE. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, JUST A SECOND BEFORE YOU GET UP. I'LL, WE USUALLY SAY A PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT. IT SAYS THIS PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT TIME IS PROVIDED FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE THEIR VIEWS HEARD. YOUR COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME MUST BE CONFINED TO THE MATTER OR CASE THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE CUMULATIVE OR REPETITIVE. YOU'RE ASKED TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WITH DECORUM. ANYBODY THAT'S IN HERE MAKING LOUD, DISRUPTIVE, AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THE APPLICANT OR WHATEVER, WE'RE NOT GONNA TOLERATE THAT. WE'LL ASK YOU TO LEAVE ALSO AVOID WORDS THAT TEND TO EVOKE VIOLENCE AND ARE DEEMED TO BE A BREACH OF PEACE. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS TIME IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, TIME FOR DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN Y'ALL COME UP AND ADDRESS, YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US, BUT WE ARE NOT GONNA SIT AND RESPOND TO YOU AS YOU'RE AT THE PODIUM. IF WE FEEL NECESSARY, WE WILL RESPOND TO A QUESTION. ALRIGHT MA'AM, YOU ARE THE FIRST ONE AND IF YOU WOULD AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. CAN WE PULL THE MAP BACK UP THAT SHOWS THE GAS STATION ON THE CORNER? VAN LEAFS, THE OLD WILLIAMS GAS STATION. OKAY. UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH, IT WOULD BE A MORE EXPLODED VIEW AS OPPOSED THAT WAS ON THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. YES. YES IT WAS. IT WAS ON THERE, YEAH, ON THEIR SLIDE DECK THEY HAD. SO I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO ANSWER IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PROVOKE A THOUGHT AND PLANT A SEED. OKAY. AND IT'S A LOADED QUESTION, HOW MUCH HAS CORPORATE AMERICA RUINED OUR SMALL TOWNS AND HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE GOING TO STAND FOR? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE, MR. CHAIR? THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT YOU JUST HAD UP THAT ONE? IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT IS. OKAY, GO AHEAD. MY HOME IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT GAS STATION. OKAY. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU LIVE. WE BOUGHT OUR HOME LAST YEAR. WE DID NOT HAVE CONVENIENCE IN MIND WHEN WE CAME OUT HERE. I AM FROM HERE. I KNEW THAT WHEN I MOVED OUT HERE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT FROM MY FARM FRONT PORCH EVERY DAY. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE ACCIDENTS THAT IT'S GONNA CAUSE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE TRAFFIC JAMS THAT IT'S GONNA CAUSE WITH OUR LOCALS GOING TO THE DUMP ON MONDAY EVENING. I HAD THE HONOR AND THE PRIVILEGE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT IN A TOWN HALL MEETING. I AM 43 YEARS OLD, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE IN MY LIFE. AND I LISTENED TO MY ELDERS AS THEY DISCUSSED WHAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE YOU SAY YES TO THIS. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T GET HER NAME OR ADDRESS. MR. CHAIR IF SHE, I'M SORRY. SAMANTHA JETER. J-E-T-E-R. I HAVE YOU. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE THE 12 THERE. OKAY. WE LIVE AT 1 0 0 2 7 CORINTH DRAFT. CORINTH DRAFT. YES SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU [00:45:01] VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. AND JUST, YOU NOW SEE A CLOCK UP THERE? WE USUALLY GIVE THREE MINUTES TO EACH APP. I MEAN EACH PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? NOBODY ELSE THAT WON'T SPEAK YOU? SURE. I MEAN THIS IS AN ODD THING THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THIS. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AS WE HAVE SAID, WE WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THIS. SO THIS WILL END THIS CASE FOR TONIGHT AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR CAN I HAVE, I DID HAVE A QUESTION. I OKAY, YOU WANNA FOLLOW UP? YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS WOULD SPEAK AND I WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, Y'ALL COME BACK, UH, JUST ONE SECOND. UM, THE, UH, AND THIS IS, I GUESS MY FIRST POINT IS MORE RHETORICAL BASED ON WHAT THE LADY JUST SPOKE ABOUT. I, I, YOU KNOW, WE ARE OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND IIII, I HAVE MY OWN BUSINESS MODEL IN MY, IN MY LINE OF WORK. I JUST WONDER, YOU KNOW, IT IS 10 MINUTES THIS WAY AND 15 MINUTES TO THE ONE I REFERRED TO AND, AND 1 53. YOU KNOW, I, I WONDER LIKE HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S MORE RHETORICAL, BUT I, I'M JUST AMAZED AT THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S Y'ALL'S, UH, BUSINESS ON THAT. BUT THE REASON I ASKED QUESTIONS EARLIER, I DO, FOR MR. LANDRY'S SAKE, I DO THINK IT IS SAFER TO HAVE ONE OFF OF CLAY STREET THAN ANYTHING OFF OF 60. AND TO COMPARE THIS TO THE ONE WE HAD IN SUTHERLAND, THE WHOLE CHARACTERISTIC HERE IS DIFFERENT. UH, SUTHERLAND EAST IS A, UM, A DIFFERENT FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, LOWER SPEED LIMIT, MORE PEOPLE OUT HERE. IT'S REALLY A NOTED AS A CORRIDOR OF SIGNIFICANT, A CORRIDOR OF STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE, HIGHER SPEED LIMIT. IT'S, IT, IT, IT SERVES AS A ROAD FOR OUR COMMUNITY OF COURSE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A REGIONAL CAR. SO YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE SO MANY POINTS OF FRICTION THAT WE CREATE THE ACCIDENTS YOU SAY. BUT WHAT I WAS GETTING AT ABOUT YOUR SIZE OF YOUR PROPERTY WAS, I'M THINKING THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS THAT I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OVER THE NEXT MONTH. MAYBE MOVING THAT ENTRANCE DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ROAD. WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR SITE PLAN, I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK, WELL, COULD IT BE FURTHER BACK NOW YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO NECESSARILY HAVE PEOPLE STOPPING AT THE RAILROAD TRACK, EVEN IF IT'S A, UH, COMING FROM A DEAD END ROAD. UH, I I I CAN ACKNOWLEDGE YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE POSSIBLY HUNG UP WAITING TO TAKE A RIGHT TURNS ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 'CAUSE THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE RAILROAD IS ACTUALLY HIGHER. IT'S 70 MILES AN HOUR THERE FOR TRAINS. BUT, UM, MY POINT IS, IF YOU COULD GET FURTHER ENTRANCE, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO POTENTIALLY CONSIDER THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF STORAGE YOU HAVE IN THAT, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE GENERATING ROUGHLY 50% OF THE BACKGROUND TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY THERE. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I'M THINKING IF YOU HAD FURTHER STORAGE BUT YET NOT SO FAR AS TO AFFECT THE OTHER DIRECTION FROM THE RAILROAD TRACK, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THE OTHER POINT IS, AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED YOU ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THE, ANOTHER REASON I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE PARCEL AND KNOWING THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY OFF FOUR 60, I WOULD THINK ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT HERE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FROM THE SAME ACCESS POINT RATHER THAN HAVING OTHER ONES. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE SUTHERLAND AND SUTHERLAND EXAMPLE AS WELL. NOW IT'S TRUE THAT THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL, UM, ATTACHES TO THE OTHER ROAD WHERE WE HAD A, A FAIRLY NOTORIOUS CASE A FEW YEARS AGO, IF YOU RECALL, WITH THE LAY DOWN YARD, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT ROAD IS VERY NARROW AND CROOKED. I THINK THE BETTER ACCESS POINT IS HERE AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON I THINK IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER THAT KNOWING HOW YOUR INTERNAL, UH, CIRCULATION IS IN YOUR SITE AND SEEING THE LOADING ZONE THERE, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER REASON POSSIBLY TO KICK THAT BACK BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO SCREW UP YOUR INTERNAL CIRCULATION THAT YOU PLANNED. I, I RESPECT THAT. SO I THINK THERE'S TWO REASONS THERE TO CONSIDER HAVING A LITTLE BIT LONGER, UM, FOR STORAGE FOR, FOR YOUR CURRENT PROPOSAL AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT COME ALONG POTENTIALLY LATER TO KEEP IT SAFE DOWN THE ROAD. AND, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN I CERTAINLY WANT TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY NEXT MONTH, RIGHT? WE ALL DO. BUT THOSE ARE THINGS PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AS YOU, AS YOU REEVALUATE, POTENTIALLY REEVALUATE YOUR PROPERTIES OVER THE NEXT MONTH. DO YOU MIND IF I ASK A QUESTION JUST TO YES SIR. HAVE MORE TO THINK ABOUT AS, AS WE'RE WORKING ON THIS, UM, KNOWING THAT THE CURRENT CONTRACT WE HAVE IS JUST FOR THE 2.75 ACRES AND IT'S POSSIBLE THE SELLER'S NOT WILLING TO SELL ANY FURTHER LAND, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE SELLER WOULD BE WILLING TO ALLOW US TO REZONE A LARGER PORTION AND MAYBE HAVE AN ACCESS EASEMENT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE COUNTY AND VDOT, BUT IS THAT WORTH PURSUING FROM? MAYBE YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT, BUT IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT, THAT WOULD HELP US KNOW MAYBE [00:50:01] AN OPTION TO LOOK AT. NO, FROM, AGAIN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ALONE, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT COULD BE HELPFUL. YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR FUTURE PLANS BECAUSE YOU'D STILL HAVE YOUR CURRENT INTERNAL CIRCULATION AS YOU'VE SHOWN, BUT YOU HAVE AN ACCESS POINT THAT YOU COULD, UH, HAVE ALREADY ZONED TO LOOK AT LATER. I RESPECT THAT. THE ONLY THING IT DOESN'T ADDRESS, I BELIEVE IS THE STORAGE. UM, THE WIDTH OF THAT EXTRA EASEMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU TWO OR THREE MORE CAR LENGTHS. UM, BEYOND. AND AGAIN, THE FACT THAT IT'S 27 VERSUS YOU TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, IF IT'S, I'M THINKING IT'S LIKE 50, I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT, THERE'S TRAFFIC THAT'S 3 86 VEHICLES PER DAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S 56, 57. YEAH. THE DESIGN VOLUME. SO YEAH. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT HALF AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FOLKS JUST COMING INTO WHAT YOU GOT NOW. SO I LIKE THE, I LIKE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COUNTERPART. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD THING FOR US TO CONSIDER. WELL WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT FOR SURE. AND UH, AND THE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED AS WELL, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, COMMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. UM, I, I, I GUESS, AND MATT IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL, GO AHEAD. BUT, UH, WHAT WE ARE TOLD OVER AND OVER BY THIS PARTICULAR CLIENT IS THAT THEY DO A LOT OF MARKET RESEARCH TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE IS DEMAND FOR THIS TYPE OF USE WITHIN AN AREA. AND UH, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE TROUBLE OF HAVING US BUILD THIS STORE. THEY COMMIT TO A VERY LONG TERM LEASE WHERE THEY TAKE ON ALL THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THIS STORE ONCE WE BUILD IT. THEY DON'T WANNA COMMIT TO THAT IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE PEOPLE THERE WHO WANT TO USE IT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, A HUGE PART OF WHAT DOLLAR GENERAL DOES IS THEIR MARKET RESEARCH TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY A LOCATION WHERE THERE'S DEMONSTRATED MARKET DEMAND FOR THE STORE. SO THAT THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THEM WHERE YOU SEE THEM. IT'S AMAZING TO ME THOUGH. YEAH, BUT YOU DO KNOW IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY'LL COME RIGHT. THAT THAT MUST BE THE CASE. SO YOU ARE THE, YOU'LL BE THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. THEY JUST COME IN AND LEASE. 'CAUSE I WAS WONDERING WHY THEY WOULDN'T SHOW UP AND SIT IN HERE WITH US AND SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE THINGS THEMSELVES SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES DOING BUSINESS OUT OF IT. BUT IF IT'S YOUR BUILDING, YOU'RE SPEC BUILDING TO THEIR STANDARDS AND THEY'RE JUST LEASING. CORRECT. AND IF I MAY ASK, HOW LONG IS THE LEASE? UH, THE INITIAL PERIOD'S 15 YEARS ISN'T IT? WITH EXTENSIONS UP TO 25 OR 30? 30. SO IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THIS WON'T BE A DOLLAR GENERAL IN THE FUTURE, WHICH IS WHY I MAKE THE POINT ABOUT THOSE PROHIBITED USES. I THINK THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT. YES. AND WE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS KNOW AS WELL. YEAH. WELL YOU KIND OF TOOK THE QUESTION OUTTA MY MOUTH, BUT I HAD A FOLLOW UP TO THAT THOUGH. IS IS THAT TYPICAL? I MEAN FOR THE OTHER ONES, LIKE AGAIN, I I NOT A SPECIFIC CASE BUT 15 TO WELL, THE UP TO 30, THAT'S THE STANDARD. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. AND SO FAR, I MEAN I'M NOT AWARE OF TOO MANY EXAMPLES WHERE THEY HAVEN'T RENEWED AND CONTINUED FURTHER. UM, I'M SURE THERE WERE EXAMPLES BUT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST NOT AWARE OF TOO MANY. ALRIGHT. YES SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WELL WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. ALRIGHT. AND WE'LL GET THOSE NOTICES OUT, DO SOME MORE OUTREACH. THANK YOU. BRING THE DONUTS, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE FOR THE PUBLIC WHO'S HERE THIS EVENING, IT WOULD BE ADVERTISED FOR OCTOBER 9TH. YOUR OCTOBER 9TH MEETING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND WHILE EVERYBODY'S SITTING IN HERE, WE LOVE A CROWD. IF YOUR CASE IS OVER, YOU'RE WELCOME TO LEAVE AT ANY TIME. I HATE TO HOLD ANYBODY IF THEY DON'T OR MAKE ANYBODY FEEL THAT THEY'RE BEING HELD HERE AGAINST THEIR WILL . ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CASE P DASH 24 DASH 13. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, THE NEXT CASE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS NEEDING THE APPLICANTS ARE CHARLES AND GORDON WILLIAMS AND I KNOW THE FAMILY'S HERE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICATION. THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE AND THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE UH, THE SUBJECT PARCEL TO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A TWO. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ALL THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, THERE IS A MIX OF USES. [00:55:01] UM, THERE ARE UM, A NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY, UM, RESIDENTIAL HOMES, UH, WITHIN THE AREA. AND UM, THEN TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST, UM, THERE ARE VACANT PARCELS AS WELL. UH, THERE'S ALSO A MIX OF USE OF TYPES OF HOUSING, UM, MANUFACTURED HOMES, MODULAR, UH, STICK-BUILT HOMES WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, AS SET FORTH IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU LOOK AT, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FOR PROPERTY, UH, ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A TWO, IT SPECIFIED THAT IT GENERALLY SURROUNDS RESIDENTIAL SECTIONS IN THIS PORTION OF THE COUNTY IS SYMBOLIC OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. GIVEN THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS MADE UP OF OPEN AREAS AND A MIX OF SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING TYPES ON SIMILARLY SIZED PARCELS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WELL SUITED FOR A TWO ZONING. IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AREA OF WHAT WE CALL THE NORTHERN DENWITTY DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH DOES ANTICIPATE COMMERCIAL USES FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. THE A TWO ZONING DISTRICT DOES ALLOW FOR LIMITED RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING SCALE OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS GENERAL AREA. UH, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE SUBJECT REZONING WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UM, THERE REALLY WERE NO, UM, COMMENTS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT REZONING AND UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS. BDOT JUST INDICATED THAT THE PROPOSED DWELLING WILL REQUIRE A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENT. UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY GIVEN THAT THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES AND THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE. THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL NOT IMPEDE FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS RECOMMENDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. THAT'S ALL I HAVE RELATED TO THE STAFF REPORT, MR. CHAIR. I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR CASE? GOOD EVENING, SIR. MY NAME'S GORDON WILLIAMS. MY CURRENT ADDRESS IS 1 3 7 2 0 SUNNYBROOK ROAD IN SOUTH PRINCE GEORGE. THIS PARCEL OF LAND HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY AS LONG AS I'VE KNOWN. I GREW UP ON THIS LAND. MY BROTHER GREW UP ON THIS LAND AND IT WAS ALL FAMILY LAND WHEN MY GRANDFATHER ORIGINALLY BOUGHT IT. I'M LOOKING TO PASS IT DOWN TO MY COUSIN AND HER FIANCE FOR THEM TO RAISE THEIR FAMILY ON AND IT MAKES ME EMOTIONAL THINK THAT ANOTHER GENERATION OF MY FAMILY WILL GROW UP ON THAT LAND. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS CASE. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? MR. CHRIS ALDRIDGE. AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. UH, CHRIS RIDGE, 23 100 MOND MILL ROAD NORTH ITY. UH, AS MY COUSIN STATED, WE, WE ALL GREW UP ON THAT LAND. MY MOM OWNS THE LAND IN FRONT OF, I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN MISS EDDIE AND CHARLIE JUNIOR, BOTH MY COUSINS, UH, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN JUST, I THINK IT'S BEEN 80 YEARS IN OUR FAMILY AND IT'S BEEN FIVE GENERATIONS SINCE LIVED ON THAT PROPERTY AND MY DAUGHTER WANTS TO GET THAT PROPERTY FROM THEM AND START ANOTHER GENERATION. SO ALL WE ASK IS IF Y'ALL CAN JUST CHANGE THAT, THAT ZONING SO THEY CAN GO AND PUT THEM IN MY HOUSE THERE. ALRIGHT, APPRECIATE Y'ALL. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF OR ANYTHING? ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. GO AHEAD SAM. UH, BE IT RESOLVED IN AN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 [01:00:02] DASH 2286 ALPHA SEVEN. IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY AND CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT REZONING CASE P DASH 24 DASH 13 BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SECOND. ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. HARVILLE? YES. MR. TUS? YES. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT. VOTING IP DASH 24 DASH 13 HAS BEEN APPROVED TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. ALRIGHT, THIS CONCLUDES OUR ACTIVE CASES FOR THE NIGHT. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING TONIGHT AND PARTICIPATING IN THIS EVENT. UH, WE GOT A FEW LITTLE THINGS TO TIDY UP HERE AT THE END THAT ARE JUST NORMAL PROCEDURAL BUSINESS. UH, SO THANK YOU AGAIN. ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS. IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? UH, I HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS MR. CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT NEW BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. [10. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? I HAVE TWO. OKAY, GO AHEAD. MARK. A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, REMEMBER WE ASKED YOU TO LOOK UP, WORK ON SOMETHING YOUR, YOU PLANNING WAS GOING TO WORK ON SOMETHING FOR US. UM, I I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. MR. TUCKER REFRESHES MEMORY. YES. LEMME DO THE SECOND PART THEN I'LL COME BACK TO THAT ONE. WE HAVE DISCUSSED PRETTY MUCH AT LENGTH ABOUT THE NEED TO CREATE ORDINANCES THAT ARE MORE THAN JUST THE MINIMUM STANDARDS IN THE COUNTY. REMEMBER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, TURNING LANES RELATED TO ACCESS MANAGEMENT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND NOW THAT, NOW THAT WE GOT SOMEBODY IN THE OFFICE TO GIVE YOU A HAND, TO BRING YOU A CUP OF COFFEE WHILE YOU SLEEP, UM, ALL HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE GET INTO THE PROCESS? DO WE, DO WE WRITE, DO WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, A RESOLUTION AND SUBMIT IT? THAT WOULD CHANGE STANDARDS ON CERTAIN THINGS RATHER THAN HAVE THE MINIMUM STANDARD SAY FOR SAY FOR A TURN LANE OR SITE? WELL, THE SITE DISTANCE IS OKAY, I THINK, BUT, BUT THERE, THERE ARE TIMES THAT THAT, UH, ON THIS I CALL THIS CASE WE GOT COMING BACK UP, COMING OFF OF FOUR 60 ONTO WALKER. I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A TURN LANE TO GET SLOW DOWN AND GET OVER THERE AS OPPOSED TO JUST COMING DOWN, SLOWING DOWN IN THE TRAFFIC LANES AND THEN GETTING OFF. THAT IS CORRECT. THERE WOULD BE A DECELERATION LANE ADDITIONAL TO GET OFF THERE. UM, I, I WOULD REALLY WANT US TO BE PROACTIVE AS OPPOSED TO REACTIVE. I'D RATHER WE HAVE A, HAVE A SET STANDARD THAT WE CAN GO BY THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IF PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND THEY TALK ABOUT PROFFERING STUFF, YOU MAY NEED TO PROFFER THIS, THIS TURN LANE AT DISTANCE ON, ON THE TURN LANE. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE SIT HERE EVERY, EVERY OTHER MONTH OR SO, WE GET A CASE THAT WE TALK ABOUT COULD USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE. I KNOW IT HAS TO BE PROFFERED, BUT IF THEY DON'T SEE IN ORDINANCE, THEY DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT. AND [01:05:01] VDO SAYS, WELL, I, YOU KNOW, NEED IT. THEN YOU SIT HERE, I SIT HERE TONIGHT, I HEARD TWO PEOPLE WHO TALKED ABOUT ACCIDENTS ON THAT ROAD COMING OFF OF THAT ROAD COMING MAYBE COMING INTO FOUR 60 OR GOING OFF OF FOUR 60. THEY'RE FROM BALTIMORE CORNER ALL THE WAY DOWN. YES. FROM BALTIMORE CORNER BACK AND, AND, AND BALTIMORE. I THINK ONE OF MY REASONS ALSO IS I COME OUT EVERY MORNING ONTO FOUR 60 AND I COME THROUGH THERE AROUND SIX. I THINK THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS ARE WRONG. I THINK THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN. FOUR 60 THAN 300 VEHICLES. WELL, NO, NO. HE, HE WAS, NO, NO, HE, HE DIDN'T EVEN QUOTE A NUMBER ON FOUR 60. OH, I READ SOMETHING ON FOUR SIX. THE THREE 90 WAS ON UH, 6 21 CLAY STREET. OH, CLAY STREET. CLAY STREET. OKAY MAN. BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, MAN, I'M I, I WAS GONNA GO DO A LITTLE CHECK OF MYSELF, , BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE SOME MORNINGS WHEN I COME OUT TO FOUR 60, I SAT THERE WHILE WAITING TO GET THROUGH AND IT, AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TIME YOU COME THERE. AND THEN THAT TRAFFIC COMES BACK EVERY AFTERNOON FROM THAT 3 45 TO FIVE TO SIX O'CLOCK WINDOW, THAT TRAFFIC IS COMING BACK, HEADED BACK TOWARDS BLACKSTONE. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE TURNING LANE. AND IF I MAY, PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, I THINK EVERY ONE OF THESE BUSINESSES THAT COMES, THAT HAS VACANT PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO IT, THAT A POSSIBLE BUSINESS WOULD COME TO AT A LATER DATE OR WHATEVER IT IS, THAT WE'D BE, I GUESS, MANDATING AN ENTRANCE THAT WILL SERVE MORE THAN JUST THAT BUSINESS. BECAUSE LET'S JUST SAY SOMETHING DID COME IN BESIDE THEM ON CLAY STREET BETWEEN THERE AND THE RAILROAD TRACK, AND IT COULD BE A FAMILY DOLLAR. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THESE THINGS HAVE LITTLE CHILDREN AFTER THEY , AFTER THEY SAT DOWN SOMEWHERE. RIGHT. UH, . BUT IT WOULD SERVE BOTH THE FAMILY DOLLAR AND THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT WHEN IT CAME TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL ON FOUR 60, THAT, THAT WHOLE STRETCH BETWEEN THOSE TWO EXITS, THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE BUT ONE EXIT AND YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD GO OFF AND ACCESS ANYTHING THAT WAS DEVELOPED ALONG THAT, THAT CORRIDOR, WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN THERE. UH, WELL HIS, HIS RECOMMENDATION IS, COULD BE CONSIDERED A VIABLE SOLUTION IN THE SENSE THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST IMAGINE ANOTHER 50 FEET THERE FOR THAT. THAT'S POSSIBLE. BUT YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT AS ONE BITE AT THE APPLE. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ONE PARCEL THERE. HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO MAKE IT. RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK WE WOULD BE, IN THE CASE OF THE ONE IN SUTHERLAND THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT YOU HAVE TO GET ON FOUR 60 THERE, HERE YOU'VE GOT A SIDE STREET. BUT ON THE ONE UP AT SUTHERLAND, I FEEL LIKE WE WOULD NOT BE DOING OUR JOB IF WE APPROVED SOMETHING IN BETWEEN TO THE WEST OF THERE WHERE THEY PUT THAT, THAT PARCEL, I BELIEVE WAS LIKE 19 ACRES OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. IF YOU PUT IN TWO OR THREE MORE ENTRANCES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE BAD, UH, POLICY FOR US TO ALLOW THAT. I THINK ABOUT IT EVERY TIME I GO OUT THROUGH THERE AND YOU PASS THAT PLACE, YOU PASS THAT ENTRANCE AND THEN YOU GOT THAT BIG FIELD ALL THE WAY TO THE TOWER. BUT LET, LET ME MAKE, LET'S MAKE A POINT MR. TUCKER'S SAYING, LET'S SUPPOSE UP THERE AT THAT ONE AT SUTHERLAND, LET'S SUPPOSE, HOW MANY ACRES DO YOU THINK THAT, UH, DOLLAR GENERAL IS ON? IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME AS THIS. ABOUT TWO AND THREE QUARTER. ALRIGHT, SO LET'S JUST SAY THREE OR FOUR. SO LET'S SAY YOU GOT ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR ACRES TWICE AGAIN. SO IF HE SELLS THAT TO TWO CONSECUTIVE OWNERS, THIS IS WHAT O'S GONNA DO. V O'S GONNA SAY, OH, YOU'RE A SEPARATE PROPERTY. WE'RE GONNA, OUR MINIMUM CONSIDERATION IS WE'RE GONNA ALLOW YOU TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE AT THE BEST POSSIBLE LOCATION. THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE HOW THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT IN THE FUTURE. AND SEE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD BE TAKING A BIGGER PICTURE OF THAT. RIGHT. UM, BUT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, IF IT WAS OVER BY THE, UH, WATER TOWER. WATER TOWER THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE THAT LITTLE ACCESS ROAD FOR ANYBODY THAT WOULD COME BESIDE MM-HMM . AND, UH, I, IT'S, WELL I THINK THESE PARKING LOTS ARE TOO SMALL, HONESTLY, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO THE ONE IN SUTHERLAND, THE TRACTOR TRAILER THAT COMES EVERY DAY TO DUMP OFF THE EXTRA DOLLAR GENERAL STUFF THAT'S THERE HAS TORN UP HALF THE LANDSCAPING AT THAT CORNER OF THE BUILDING. IT RUNS OVER THAT AND THROUGH THE, THE, UH, BY WHERE THE BUSHING ALL IS. MM-HMM . IT JUST MAKES A BIG RUT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR THAT TRACTOR TRAILER TO PROPERLY BACK IN. ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THERE WHERE HE HAS TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW HE PULLS IN AND HOW HE TURNS HIS TRUCK. [01:10:01] UH, THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON'T DESIGN THAT BETTER. I PULLED THE ONE UP AT 1 53 'CAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW BEFORE I SAID ANYTHING I WANTED TO VERIFY THERE WAS NO ACCESS ON FOUR 60 AND IT'S NOT, IT'S ALL 1 53. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN FOUR 60 AND THE ENTRANCE TO DOLLAR GENERAL, IT'S PROBABLY BEYOND THE RAILROAD. IF YOU WERE TO OVERLAY IT ON THIS SITE RIGHT. IT WOULD BE BEYOND THE RAILROAD. SO THEY HAVE A TIGHTER FIT. I UNDERSTAND. RIGHT. I GET BUT IT SHOULD SERVE TWO, TWO LOTS AS OPPOSED TO ONE AT LEAST. YEAH. AT LEAST. OR MULTIPLE. I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE AN ACCESS ROAD RUNNING THERE THAT COULD END UP GOING TO THREE OR FOUR MORE BUSINESS. RIGHT. BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE PUT THAT SOMEWHERE IN OUR ORDINANCES, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION. THEY'RE GONNA ALREADY HAVE HAD TO PURCHASE OR SECURE AN ENTRANCE THAT DOES THAT. CORRECT. UH, FOR SOME OF THESE, ESPECIALLY OFF THESE MAIN ARTERIAL ROADS, UH, THAT WE HAVE AS OPPOSED TO SOME BACK ROADS MAYBE, BUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, PIGGYBACKING ON TO WHAT YOU SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS RHETORICAL, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER THIS IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY, BUT I GUESS WE GOTTA KNOW IF THE BOARD SUPPORTS US ON THIS. RIGHT. THAT'S TRUE. AND THEN THE OTHER PART ABOUT THIS IS, UH, NOT TO REINVENT ANY WHEELS, BUT YOU KNOW, PALATAN, GOLAND, HANOVER, CHESTERFIELD, THERE'S SOME PLACE PLACES THAT COME TO MIND THAT ALREADY HAVE THESE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE. WE'VE DONE THAT WITH OTHER THINGS IN THE PAST. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE A LOT OF REINVENTING THE WHEELS. IT'S LIKE GOING AND LOOKING UP, UH, RESEARCHING OLD ZONING RECORDS OR SOMETHING. ALRIGHT. DO ARE I'M, ARE YOU FINISHED? ARE YOU HAVE YOUR SECOND PART? DID YOU WERE GONNA, I'LL COME, I'LL COME BACK TO IT. DO YOU WANNA COME BACK NOW? NO, NOT NOW. OKAY. I'M GONNA WAIT TILL YOU READY TO GO. ALL RIGHT, MR. HARLE. THEY WON'T GET OUT TIME. I, I JUST HAD, THIS IS JUST CURIOSITY. UM, AND I, I CAN'T SAY THAT THIS SITUATION WILL, WILL HAPPEN AT THIS LOCATION THAT IS BEEN PROPOSED. NORMALLY WHEN YOU SEE A FAMILY DOLLAR, THE NEXT THING COMES NEXT TO IT AND THE VICINITY WOULD BE A A DOLLAR GENERAL OR FAMILY DOLLAR. RIGHT. WHAT'S THE CONCEPT? THEY HAVE LITTLE BABIES. EXCUSE ME. I MEAN, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT FOLLOWED IT. IT'S KINDA LIKE THE OLD, REMEMBER EVERY TIME YOU SAW WALGREENS, THERE WAS A CVS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR OPPOSITE CORNER OF A WALGREENS. A LOT OF 'EM, IT WAS JUST SATURATING THE MARKET TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH SHARE OF THE CAR DEALER BUSINESS AS THEY COULD. YEAH. CAR DEALERSHIPS, ALL THAT. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A LONG DEBATE OF MINE. WHETHER IT'S OUR BUSINESS TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS, IT'S JUST OUR BUSINESS TO MAKE SURE IT FITS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO IN THE AREA IF IT COMES. CORRECT. WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SAYING ABOUT ENTRANCES LOOKS, UH, THESE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT, IT'S GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT. IT'S, IT DOES INTEREST ME THOUGH. 'CAUSE NOBODY'S GONNA BE WALKING THERE. I MEAN, AT LEAST THE ONE IN MCKINNEY YOU DO HAVE PEOPLE WALKING TO, IN FACT, WE WERE TALKING TODAY ABOUT, HEY, LET'S GET THE SIDEWALK FINISHED THERE. BUT, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S GONNA BE WALKING TO THE ONE AT 1 53 OR THE ONE IN SUTHERLAND IF YOU'RE GETTING IN THE CAR ANYWAY. WHAT'S THE, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T, WELL, I, BUT I MEAN, THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THEY DIDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT. OH YEAH. THEY, THEY FIGURED OUT THEY'RE GONNA GET AT LEAST THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY. SO. WELL WHEN YOU START GETTING, WHEN YOU START ADDING UP, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ENTRANCE AND THIS, IT MIGHT JUST GET TO THAT TIPPING POINT TOO. THAT'S RIGHT. NEVER KNOW. NEVER KNOW. ANYBODY ELSE? I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD AS PART ONE TO WHAT MR. TUCKER WAS SAYING ABOUT THE, UM, ACCESS MANAGEMENT. IF WE COULD JUST GET A CONSENSUS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AS I THINK IT WAS MR. HAYES INDICATED, WE CERTAINLY WOULD TALK TO ADMINISTRATION AND THE BOARD ABOUT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY DEFINITELY WANT US TO PROCEED ON. BUT PER YOUR DIRECTION AS A CONSENSUS OF THE PLANNING MISSION, IF I COULD JUST HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS TO EVERYBODY THAT IS ON BOARD FOR DOING WHAT MARK JUST SAID, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT AT THIS TIME. YOU GOT EVERYBODY. YOU GOT EVERYBODY. OKAY. I THANK YOU. BUT DO YOU NOTICE THAT ? YEAH, YOU, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION THOUGH, YOU TALK ABOUT COMING OFF OF FOUR 60. THAT'S TOUGHER THOUGH. 'CAUSE THAT'S CONSIDERED OFFSITE AND YOU KNOW, MY, MY, I TELL YOU MY, MY POSTER TRIAL FOR THAT IS, AND I WASN'T, I THINK THIS PREDATES YOU TOO. I IS LAKE JORDAN ON ROUTE ONE? OH, I WAS THERE FOR THAT. OKAY, SO THAT WAS IN YOUR FOUR YEARS AT THAT TIME. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT'S A 55 MILE AN HOUR ZONE. AND IF YOU ARE [01:15:01] MAKING A RIGHT HAND TURN INTO THAT, IT'S NO WAY. YOU CAN'T SLOW DOWN WITHOUT IMPEDING TRAFFIC. SO THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACCIDENT HISTORY IS THERE, BUT I KNOW WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH THERE, IT ALWAYS ANNOYS ME WHEN SOMEBODY'S MAKING A RIGHT. BUT IT, IT'S BARELY ANY STORAGE THERE. IT IS MORE OR LESS A, UH, A TAPER TAP AND NO STORAGE. MM-HMM . SO IT'S 60 MILES AN HOUR TO HAVE STORAGE AND TAPER FOR THAT INTERSECTION. I MEAN THAT IS REALLY COST PROHIBITIVE. IT WOULD PROBABLY END UP BEING QUARTER MILE IS WHAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR THAT. 'CAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THE OPERATING SPEED IN THERE, WHAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING THE AVERAGE, I BET YOU IS AT LEAST 67. AT LEAST 60. HOW MUCH? 60, 65 YOU, YOU NEED TO GET A SCANNER AND LISTEN , IT'S 70, 80, AND 90. WELL WE HEARD MR. UH, OR YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING. HE SAID HE GOT TWO, TWO TANDEM GOING A 90 PLUS THE OTHER DAY, DIDN'T HE? YEAH, HE DID. I'M JUST DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT IT, IT, IT AIN'T THAT 67 ANYMORE. WELL, YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. I GUESS MY POINT IS THOUGH, EVEN IF YOU GO, WHEN YOU START THE EQUATION FOR THAT IS, IS QUADRATIC MEANING THE HIGHER THE SPEED, IT KIND OF, IT ALMOST DOUBLES, YOU KNOW. SO AT 60 MILES AN HOUR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE TAPER IN THERE. IT'S JUST THE, THE OTHER BED AREA IS RIGHT THERE BELOW HUDY HOUSE. MM-HMM . RIGHT THERE. THEY WRECK THERE ALL THE TIME AND IT'S BECAUSE THAT SPEED LIMIT CHANGE COMING OUTTA SOUTHERN FROM 55 TO 60 AND THEY ALREADY RUNNING 60, THEY HIT 80 BEFORE THEY HIT THAT FIRST CURB. AND NEXT THING KNOW, THEY ALMOST A HUD'S HOUSE. THIS ONE THIS MORNING. YES. IF YOU REMEMBER THERE WERE A FEW MONTHS THAT WAS 60 ALSO. I'M JUST YEAH, I KNOW, BUT I I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS PEOPLE'S MINDSET ANYMORE AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. THEY'RE ON THE PHONES. YEAH. AND I KNOW WE CAN'T FIX THAT, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING IF THEY WERE COMING DOWN THE ROAD, IF THEY HAD SOME SORT OF TURNING LANE, I AIN'T SAYING SO MUCH AS FAR AS BACKING UP WHERE YOU GOT 20 CARS IN THERE OR 10 CARS. I JUST FELT LIKE IF THEY COULD COME OVER AND HAVE ENOUGH SPEED TO GET OUT THE WAY THAT TRACTOR AND TRAILER THAT'S BEARING 65 AND 70 MILE AN HOUR, WHEN YOU DECIDE AT THE LAST MINUTE YOU GOING TO DOLLAR GENERAL IS NOT GOING TO EAT YOU OR WRECK AND HURT SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE OTHER SIDE PUSH YOU. I PUSH YOU PAST DOLLAR GENERAL. NOW I, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO DO, MARK, I'M A HISTORY MAJOR, AND I, I GET TICKLED WHEN PEOPLE COME AND THEIR WELL MEANING, THEIR WELL MEANING SAY, WELL WHEN WE MOVED OUT HERE, WE MOVED TO THE RURAL AREA BECAUSE WE WANTED IT QUIET. GREAT. BUT THAT'S THE HISTORY OF THIS AREA. EVEN THE FOUNDERS WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM THE NOISE AT THE BEACH. SO THEY KEPT MOVING INLAND AND EVERY TIME THEY MOVE ATLANTA SETTLED, THE SETTLEMENT WOULD BUILD UP, THEY'D MOVE AGAIN, SETTLE DOWN, PEOPLE WOULD COME, THEY'D MOVE AGAIN. THEY KEPT MOVING UNTIL THEY GOT TO KENTUCKY. THEN THEY WENT DOWN TO TEXAS AND IT ENDED AT VO. BUT THE ISSUE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND PRINCE GEORGE IS FILLING UP, CHESTERFIELD IS FILLING UP, THEY'RE TRYING TO REVITALIZE PETERSBURG, UH, BRUNSWICK COUNTY IS STARTING TO FILL UP. WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? THEY'RE COMING, THEY'RE COMING TO THE COUNTY, THEY'RE COMING TO DENWITTY AND AT ONE TIME YOU DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING BUT A HORSE-DRAWN CART IN FRONT OF YOUR STREET EVERY DAY. NOW YOU GOT TRACTOR TRAILERS, CARS AND BUSINESSES ARE COMING AND WE JUST, PEOPLE GOTTA GET USED TO THAT. GROWTH IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE AND WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, THEY'RE COMING TO YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS. THAT'S JUST, JUST A HISTORICAL FACT. I'M GLAD WE'RE GETTING BUSINESSES AND PLEASE REMIND SOMEBODY IN THE OFFICE THAT THEY OWE ME MR. SIMMONS, A CUP OF WAWA COFFEE. WE'LL GET YOU TOMORROW. ANYTHING ELSE? HMM? HE SAID WHAT? I SAID WE CAN GET YOU SOME. NO, NO, NO, NO. SOMEBODY PROMISED US WAWA GETTING READY TO RELOCATE HERE. , YOU'RE NOT GONNA BRING UP BOJANGLES ARE YOU? THAT'S LOST. CAUSE THAT'S A LOST CAUSE. TWO HURRICANES TO GO. THAT TOOK CARE OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW [01:20:01] WHAT TO DO IN, UH, I'M STILL WAITING ON MY TRAFFIC LIGHT THOUGH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IN THE FOUR 60 RIGHT THERE FOR THAT TRUCK ENTRANCE TO SHEETS. BUT THAT IS, THAT IS ONE PROJECT IN THIS WORLD TO GET ALL THAT STUFF STRAIGHT. YOU TALKING ABOUT COST OF MONEY THAT LOOK LIKE THEY PUTTING IN PILINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. OH YEAH. THEY, THEY DROVE PILINGS. THEY BUILDING FORMS NOW THEY GONNA HAVE, I GUESS A WALL AND MAKE THAT WIDER SO THE TRUCKS WILL HAVE A PULLOVER AND GET OVER INTO THAT ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY A RIGHT OUT TOO. RIGHT. THAT'S NOT A RIGHT IN, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. YEAH. THEY DON'T WANT THE TRUCKS COMING IN AT THE, THE LIGHT I DON'T THINK. YEAH. AT THE LIGHT NECESSARILY. OR EVEN EASTBOUND. YEAH, THAT'S A WHOPPER. SHE ALRIGHT. I MAKE A MOTION. WE ADJOURN. YOU CAN'T [11. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS] DO THAT MR. CHAIR. I HAVE, I HAVE ONE THING. JUST WANTED TO OKAY. THOSE OF YOU WHO, UH, WEREN'T INTRODUCED EARLIER, I WANTED TO INTRODUCE MS. HALEY KEEN. SHE'S OUR NEW PLANNER ONE YOU HI. NICE TO MEET YOU. UM, SHE CAME TO US FROM, UH, HER EDUCATION. SHE RECEIVED HER MASTER'S AT VCU IN PLANNING AND SHE WAS A KIND, I THINK IT'S A GREAT HONOR, BUT SHE WAS A WILDER FELLOW AS GOING THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, SO I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS WELL. BUT WELCOME ABOARD BOARD TO HAVE HAILEY WITH US. I ACTUALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE A REPORTER. . I I DID TOO. WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE I HADN'T, I KNEW WHO YOU WERE. WELL, YOU WORKED FOR THE COUNTY. I DO TOO. NO, I DIDN'T KNOW. I I DO WORK FOR THE COUNTY, BUT I, WHEN I CAME IN AND TONIGHT I ASKED AND HE TOLD ME I DIDN'T, OH, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING THAT UNDERSTAND SNOBBY AND NOT ASY. I JUST LOOKED AT MARK 'CAUSE I WAS GOING TO WELCOME HER ABOARD AND HE SAID I GOT HER. SO I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A STANDING MOTION OF ADJOURNMENT. I SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. WE ADJOURN. SO, MR. TITUS, YOU MADE THE MOTION CHAIR. HOW MANY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.