* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:06] THIS BEING THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE OCTOBER 9TH, 2024 PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING. I BRING THE MEETING TO ORDER. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JOIN ME IN STANDING AND SAY A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. SIMMONS. HERE. MR. HAYES. HERE. MR. LANGLEY. MR. TUCKER? HERE. MR. CUNNINGHAM? HERE. MR. HARVILLE? HERE. AND MR. TIPMAN HERE. SIX MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. UH, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] OR CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE TO THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? NO CHANGES TO MR. CHAIRMAN. I COMMERS ANYTHING? ALRIGHT. HEARING NONE. I KNOW THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED. I WAS SECOND. SECOND. ALL. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. THE HAYES? YES. MR. HARVILLE? YES. AND MR. TITZ? YES. SIX MEMBERS. PRESIDENT BO. AYE. [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] UH, WE WERE ALL MAILED THE SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024. REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. I MOVE THEIR APPROVAL. I SECOND IT. ROLL CALL. MR. HAYES. YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM ABSTAINED. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. HARBO? YES. AND MR. TITUS? YES. FIVE MEMBERS PER SIX MEMBERS PRESENT. FIVE VOTING. AYE. ONE. SAME. ALRIGHT, WE'VE COME TO THE TIME IN THE MEETING FOR CITIZENS' COMMENT. THIS IS A PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH THE CITIZENS HAVE A CHANCE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT BEING HEARD TONIGHT. IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO SO. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO. MR. CHAIR. THERE IS NOT. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME? HEARING NONE. I CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD AND WE [7. PUBLIC HEARING] CONTINUE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING CASE P DASH 24 DASH 12. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. AS, UH, THE CHAIR INDICATED, UH, TONIGHT WE'RE, UM, HEARING THE CASE, UH, THAT WAS, UH, TABLED, UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. THIS IS P DASH 24 DASH 12. IT'S RETIN COMPANIES INCORPORATED AND THEIR AGENTS HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL. UH, CARRIE BY HUTCHERSON, THE REQUEST, THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM A TWO BUSINESS GENERAL WITH, UH, TO B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL WITH PROFFERS. UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. UH, WHEN WE WENT OVER THE CASE AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, UH, THE ACREAGE IS 2.75 ACRES ON CLAY STREET ROAD. UM, ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WILL ONLY BE FROM CLAY STREET ROAD. UH, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, THE APPLICANT, UH, DID, UH, HEAR COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND DID, UH, SUBMIT COMMENTS RELATED TO THEIR SITE PLAN. UM, THEY'RE NOW, THEY'RE SHOWING ON THEIR PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT, UM, IN THE RED HATCHED AREA THERE, UM, BEING PROVIDED. AND IT WOULD, UH, BE PROFFERED TO LIMIT FUTURE ACCESS OFF OF CLAY STREET ROAD AND ALSO TO THE REMNANT PARCEL. UM, THEY ALSO TRIED TO ADDRESS OTHER COMMENTS RELATED TO SPACING. UM, THE 278 FEET OF SPACING IS BEING MET WHILE VDOT REQUIREMENT IS THE 225 FEET. UM, THEREFORE YOU CAN SEE IT'S EXCEEDED BY 53 FEET. AND, UM, AS THEIR ENGINEER INDICATED, THIS TRANSLATE TO APPROXIMATELY 11 CARS OF, UM, POSSIBLE, UH, STACKING ON CLAY STREET ROAD, IF THAT'S EVER NEEDED. UM, THEY ALSO INDICATED ON [00:05:01] THEIR SITE PLAN, UM, THAT THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING RIGHT TURN LANE AND TAPER ONTO CLAY STREET ROAD. UM, AND THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING LEFT TURN LANE IN TAPER ONTO CLAY STREET ROAD, UM, HEADING WEST TO EAST ON ROUTE FOUR 60. SO JUST WANTED TO NOTE THOSE CHANGES AS WELL. UM, AS YOU ALSO HOPEFULLY SAW IN THE, UH, PLANNING PACKET, UM, THEY HAVE BASICALLY THREE DESIGNS, UM, THAT THEY'RE, UH, PRESENTING, UH, AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION. AND THE FIRST IS WHAT WE, UH, SAW LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH, I'M SORRY, AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING. UM, BASICALLY THE BUILDING WOULD BE IDENTICAL TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL THAT'S LOCATED ON FOUR 60 IN SUTHERLAND. AND THEN THEY DID, UH, THERE WE GO. DID SUBMIT, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, RENDERINGS, UH, ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING. AND, UM, AFTER RECEIVING COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AGAIN AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, AND YOU HAVE THOSE AS PART OF YOUR PACKET AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THOSE AS WELL, IF THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THE PACKET. UM, THOSE ARE THE, THAT'S THE THIRD OF THE, THE SECOND AND THEN THE ORIGINAL, UH, RENDERING. UM, AS WE INDICATED, UH, AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PRE RE PROPOSED REZONING WITH PROFFERS. UM, IN THAT WE FEEL LIKE, UH, IT, IT IS, UH, A REQUIRED, UH, ZONING CLASSIFICATION WITH PROFFERS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN SURROUNDING LAND USES AND ALSO THE PROPOSED USE CONFORMS UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THE FORD RURAL VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA PLAN AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF AT THIS TIME? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SAY ANYTHING? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M CARRIE HUTCHERSON HERE FOR THE APPLICANT RETS AND COMPANIES. UH, PLEASE BE HERE. JUST DO YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. OH, YES SIR. , UH, DO YOU WANT MY BUSINESS ADDRESS? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. YES, SIR. 1 3 2 7, 1 RIVERS BEND BOULEVARD, CHESTER, VIRGINIA. ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING US HERE AND, UH, FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATION BY MR. BASSETT. UM, WE'RE PLEASED TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS CASE. AND I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT FROM RETS AND COMPANIES, MATT WILLIAMS, THE PROJECT MANAGER, AND ALAN KAGEL AS WELL. UH, WE ALSO HAVE SETH EMERSON FROM SUMMIT ENGINEERING. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THOSE GENTLEMEN, THEY'RE HERE. UH, JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS. FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANYONE WHO'S HERE TONIGHT WHO WASN'T HERE LAST MONTH, UH, WE ARE PLANNING TO DEVELOP THIS 2.75 ACRE PARCEL AS A DOLLAR GENERAL MARKET STORE, WHICH WILL BE OFFERING GROCERY ITEMS. UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY. IT'S OVER A MILLION DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPERTY. UM, PROVIDE SOME MORE, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL TAX BASE FOR THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO GET GROCERIES AND OTHER EVERYDAY ITEMS HERE IN, UH, IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY. THE FORD RURAL DEVELOPMENT VILLAGE. UH, AS MR. BASSETT SAID, THIS IS A REZONING THAT'S IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS. THE FORD VILLAGE, UH, DOES RECOMMEND SOME COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS AREA, AND THIS PROPERTY'S LOCATED RIGHT THERE IN THE FORD RURAL VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA. THERE'S ALREADY SOME USES THAT ARE EITHER COMMERCIAL OR THERE'S SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC USE LIKE THE COUNTY'S CONVENIENCE CENTER AS WELL AS THE CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET. UM, SO WE'RE FITTING IN WITH THE EXISTING PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. JUST WANT TO GO BACK AND TAKE A QUICK LOOK. THERE'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. UH, AS MR. BASSETT WAS POINTING OUT, WE [00:10:01] WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WITH THE LAST MEETING. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACING AT THIS ENTRANCE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON CLAY STREET ROAD BETWEEN THE ENTRANCE AND THAT INTERSECTION ON US FOUR 60. WE'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE VDOT REQUIREMENT FOR SPACING HERE AND ALLOWING FOR APPROXIMATELY 11 VEHICLES OF STACKING SPACE HERE IS MORE THAN WE WOULD EVER NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF USE. UH, THIS ISN'T A FAST FOOD LIKE A CHICK-FIL-A WHERE YOU GOT PEOPLE PARKED AROUND OR HANGING OUT AROUND THE BLOCK TRYING TO WAIT TO GET IN. UH, HAVING 11 VEHICLES SHOW UP AT ONCE TO GO INTO A DOLLAR GENERAL MARKET WOULD BE VERY UNUSUAL. UM, SO THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO GET OFF OF US FOUR 60 DRIVE UP CLOSE CLAY STREET ROAD AND GET INTO THE SITE AT THE ENTRANCE WE'RE PROPOSING. AND THE EXISTING RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES AND DE CELL TAPERS WILL ALSO HELP WITH GETTING TRAFFIC OFF OF FOUR 60 FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO VISIT THE STORE AND, UM, ALLOW FOR THE THROUGH TRAFFIC TO PASS ON BY. SO I THINK WE'VE REALLY GOT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT TRAFFIC SAFETY, UH, QUESTIONS ANSWERED HERE AT THIS POINT, BUT WE CAN OF COURSE ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU HAVE. GOING BACK, JUST TO REMIND FOLKS OF OUR PROFFER CONDITIONS, WE, WE'VE PROFFERED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN HERE. WE'VE ALSO PROFFERED RESTRICTIONS ON A NUMBER OF USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE B TWO DISTRICT, OTHERWISE, UH, SO IF FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER ONE DAY THIS PROPERTY IS NOT USED AS A DOLLAR GENERAL MARKET, WE KNOW THAT IT CAN'T BE THE USES THAT WE'VE RESTRICTED HERE. WE ALSO PROFFERED THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS THAT YOU SAW IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OPTIONS. I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OPTIONS THERE. UM, SO WE, WE GOT VARIOUS DIFFERENT COMMENTS AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. UH, SOME COMMENTS WERE THAT THERE'S A DESIRE TO SEE MORE BRICK IMPLEMENTED IN THE STORE FACADE, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE COULD CERTAINLY DO. BUT THEN THERE WERE ALSO SOME COMMENTS PEOPLE LIKED EITHER THE SUTHERLAND STORE LOOK, WHICH IS THIS ONE, OR, UH, THERE WAS A MENTION OF THE STORE IN NELLY'S FORD AND WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO ANY OF THOSE. UH, BUT DOING ALL THREE OF THEM OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T MAKE FOR A VERY COHERENT STYLE. SO WE NEED SOME FEEDBACK HERE ON WHAT YOU'D PREFER. UM, WE STARTED JUST BY PROVIDING THESE ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES, NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT DIRECTION THE COMMISSION WOULD PREFER, BUT WE FIGURED IF WE COULD PROVIDE SOME DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF VARYING COLOR SCHEMES AND DIMENSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL, UH, AND FACADE BREAKUP. THAT MIGHT HELP TO GET AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO. UH, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE COULD EXPLORE WITH YOU, BUT WE REALLY JUST NEED SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE'RE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH, UM, ANY TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, ANY OTHER ISSUES PEOPLE WANNA DISCUSS. AND WITH THAT, I'D STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS CASE AND HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANKS. Y ALL GOT ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I, I GOT A COUPLE. OKAY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR DRAWING WITH THE, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THE, UH, LOOKING AT THE INCREASED STORAGE LENGTH THERE. SURE. UM, BUT DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL WIDTH OF THE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT OF THE REMAINING PROPERTY? NO, I'M ASSUMING THAT, THAT THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS SLIGHTLY INCREASED FROM LAST TIME, OR DID YOU NOT INCREASE IT AND JUST READJUSTED, YOU KNOW, THE INTERIOR SITE WORK OR, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT ACCESS WAS, WAS PROFFERED IN THE INITIAL APPLICATION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS, IT DOES PROFFER AND ACCESS EASEMENT, A SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT. AND IT WAS SHOWN, WHAT I REMEMBER LAST MONTH WAS THAT, UH, THAT IT WAS NOT. AND THAT, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THAT POINT. WELL, THAT'S OKAY. IT IS NOW, IF IT WASN'T THEN . YEAH, MY POINT WAS THAT FROM MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT IT'S KIND OF ONE BITE AT THE APPLE FOR THIS PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, WE, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE YES [00:15:01] SIR. LIKE, UH, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT ENTRANCES DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, ONE STACKED ON THE OTHER. SO SURE. YOU'VE GOT ONE ENTRANCE HERE. UM, THAT'S IT. AND SO, UM, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF THIS FOR INSTANCE, THEY WOULD BE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE A, THAT THAT WIDTH THERE WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR THAT? YEAH. AND I CAN BRING SETH UP HERE IF HE HAS ANY FURTHER. SETH, DO YOU WANT SPEAK TO THAT IN MORE DETAIL? BECAUSE, UM, THAT WAS A CONCERN I HAD LAST MONTH THAT IT WAS NOT SHOT AND I, I HAVEN'T DONE MY HOMEWORK, I GUESS IN TERMS OF COMPARING THE TWO DRAWINGS. BUT WHAT I REMEMBER WAS THAT YOU HAD THE ACCESS IN HERE, BUT THE ASSUMPTION THERE WAS NO ASSUMPTION FOR FURTHER ACCESS. AND THEN WHAT YOU'VE DONE TODAY ACCOMMODATES THAT. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, YES SIR. YEAH. THE, THE, THE GOAL WOULD BE WITH THE SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT. BASICALLY WE, IT'S PAID FOR THE ACTUAL DOLLAR GENERAL ENTRANCE. IF SOMEONE WAS TO EVER COME AND DEVELOP THE MORE, LEMME GET MY DIRECTIONS RIGHT NORTHWESTERN PORTION. SURE, SURE. UM, SURE. AND NEEDED ACCESS, THEY WOULD GET ACCESS FROM THAT EASEMENT. THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO PAVE TO THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND THEY WOULD JUST CROSS DIRECTIONALLY. BUT, BUT AM I REMEMBERING CORRECTLY THAT YOU'VE HAD TO NOW SHOW THAT EITHER, EITHER YOU HAD TO PUSH THE SITE, INTERNAL SITE PLAN TO THE SOUTHWEST A LITTLE OR SOUTHEAST A LITTLE BIT? SO WE, THAT, THAT'S ONE THING. MATT WILLIAMS TALKED TO THE SELLER. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE EXPLORED THAT OPTION AND AT THE TIME, AT THIS TIME, THE SELLER WAS NOT WILLING TO SELL ANY MORE PROPERTY TO THAT NORTHWEST TO PUSH. NOW WE CAN STILL THAT, THAT'S THE THING DURING SITE DETAILED SITE PLAN, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE SURVEY GRADE THAT WE'RE WORKING OFF GRADING DESIGN. WE'LL PUSH IT AS FAR AS WE CAN TO GIVE THE BEST ACCESS, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF HOW FAR TO PUSH IT AND EVERYTHING. SO WITH THAT ACCESS, IT JUST GIVES ROOM FOR IF SOMEONE ELSE TO DEVELOP IT, THEY COULD STUFF TO IT. SO, SO THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS IS THE SAME AS LAST MONTH? YEAH. YOU JUST ADJUSTED IT INTERNALLY TO ALLOW FOR THAT FUTURE? YES, AND, AND WE, AND WE HIGHLIGHTED IT TOO. OKAY. I THINK LAST TIME IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO DECIPHER IT WAS GRAYED OUT AND, OKAY. YEP. OKAY. I I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHY IT WAS JUST NOT AS CLEAR. SURE, SURE. THAT'S FINE. COLOR HELPS A LOT , YOU KNOW. YEAH. I, AND I THINK FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I'M THINKING BACK TO LIKE HERE ON R ONE AT TRACTOR SUPPLY AND UH, THE OTHER ADJACENT STORE YOU HAS A, THIS ONE ENTRANCE THERE. YEAH. AND SO THE IDEA WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE MULTIPLE ENTRANCES LINED UP. UM, SO THAT I, AND I APPRECIATE ALSO AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT VDOT, I JUST DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH THE MINIMUM STANDARD. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ADDING, ADDING THERE. UM, AND NOTHING'S CHANGED ON THAT EITHER, RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO. YEAH, WELL, NO, WHAT I MEANT IS NOTHING'S CHANGED ABOUT YOUR, UH, PLAN, UH, DESIGN HOURLY VOLUME BECAUSE FOR THE FOLKS THAT WEREN'T HERE LAST MONTH, I THINK WE AGREED THAT THE EXISTING CLAY STREET ROAD HAS X AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND YOUR GENERATOR ALONE IS ABOUT HALF THAT. YES. YES SIR. YEP. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. YEP. AND I, AND I TALKED TO PAUL HENSON AGAIN, JUST CALLED HIM AND WENT THROUGH THE CONCERNS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD AND JUST TALKED IT OUT WITH HIM. AND I KNOW THAT MR. BASSETT HAD SUBMITTED OUR REVISED THANKS TO HIM, SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE WERE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE THERE. SO, NO, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I APPRECIATE YOU CHECKING INTO WHAT I'D ASKED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. OKAY. WE'RE HERE IF YOU NEED US. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THIS. UM, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP? MS. EDITH DALTON. ALRIGHT, IF, WHEN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. UH, MY NAME IS EDITH DALTON AND I LIVE AT 80 21 BALTIMORE ROAD FORD. UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, MY HUSBAND VERLIN AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING ON BALTIMORE ROAD FOR APPROXIMATELY 53 YEARS AND WE ARE MOST DELIGHTED TO SEE SOME TYPE OF BUSINESSES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. MOST DOLLAR GENERAL STORES HAVE A VARIETY OF ITEMS AND WE SEE THIS AS A REAL CONVENIENCE TO THE FORD RESIDENTS, THE CHURCH ROAD RESIDENTS, AND THE WILSON RESIDENCE. UH, JUST YESTERDAY I HAD TO DRIVE APPROXIMATELY 20 MILES ROUND TRIP TO GET A BIRTHDAY CARD THAT COST ME A DOLLAR THAT I NEED FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY THIS SATURDAY. [00:20:01] THE CONVENIENCE OF A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, WHICH HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE YEARS, IS A PLUS FOR THIS AREA. MY HUSBAND AND I, WE REALLY DO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST AND WE RECOMMEND THAT THIS COMMISSION APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID TALLEY. YOU GOOD? ALRIGHT. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? HEARING NONE. I CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. COMMISSIONERS ANY? I HAVE, I, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP, BUT I, I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC SAID FIRST. OKAY. SO FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, I HAD, I HAD SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN EVER SINCE LAST MONTH, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ASK PEOPLE, I, I SEE, I DON'T, I SEE PEOPLE HERE AND THERE. I ACTUALLY, I SAW SOMEBODY IN ROANOKE THAT LIVED DOWN THE STREET, SO I GOT SOME COMMENTS FROM THEM. BUT ONE OF THE COMMENTS I GOT BACK WAS, UH, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN A PROPER, IS HOW DOLLAR GENERALS TYPICALLY HAVE THEIR, UM, THEIR TRASH CONTAINERS ON THEIR SITES MM-HMM . AND SO I ACTUALLY, UM, LOOKED TODAY RIGHT JUST AS I WAS MEANDERING THROUGH THE MCKINNEY AND DENWITTY TODAY. AND I NOTICED THAT BOTH OF THE LOCATIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE NEAR HERE, THEY BOTH HAVE VERY VISIBLE TRASH FROM. UM, AND I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? IF YOU, APPARENTLY THIS IS A CONCERN THAT IS NOT NEW TO BEING BROUGHT UP TO ME, BUT IT'S A GENERAL CONCERN. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS THAT, BUT I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO SOME WAY TO MAYBE DEAL WITH THAT. YES, SIR. WELL, FUNNY, UH, I SPOKE WITH A FEW PEOPLE RECENTLY TOO, AND, AND WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I'VE DISCUSSED WITH MATT, THE PROJECT MANAGER, BUT, AND IT CERTAINLY ISN'T A, A POSSIBILITY AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO EXTEND THE, UH, THE GATE, THE SCREENS, OR NOT THE GATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SCREENING, UH, FENCE FOR THE ENCLOSURE. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU HAVE ANY MORE SPECIFICS YOU WANNA SHARE, BUT IT'S A DOABLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DOABLE SITE DESIGN TYPE OF DETAIL. YEAH. SO CARRIE, UH, EXCUSE ME. MATT WILLIAMS REDS AND COMPANIES. YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE MY ADDRESS AS WELL? NO, WE JUST GONNA HAVE THE COMPANY ADDRESS STAND FOR THAT. GOTCHA. UM, LIKE, LIKE CARRIE MENTIONED, WE, IT IS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED. UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A PROTOTYPICAL DESIGN FEATURE, UM, FOR THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROGRAM, EVEN WITH THE NEW MARKET STORES. UM, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE RECEPTACLES THAT HOLD THE BROKEN DOWN BOXES PRIMARILY? WELL, I NOTICED, AGAIN, I, IT WAS KIND OF NEW TO ME 'CAUSE YOU PASS BY SOMETHING, Y'ALL ALWAYS THINK ABOUT IT, BUT I NOTICED IN THE TWO HERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE TREATED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN EACH STORE, BUT IT, THE ONE THING THAT'S CONSISTENT IS THAT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY GENERALLY ONE WOULD GENERALLY ASSUME, UH, THAT IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE UNSIGHTLY, I GUESS. YES. UM, SO WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THERE ARE SOME VARIATIONS AND THAT COMES DOWN TO HOW A SITE, OR EXCUSE ME, HOW A STORE SITS ON A SITE AND WHAT QUOTE UNQUOTE PROTOTYPE THAT IS. UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT SITS PERPENDICULAR TO A MAIN ROAD PARALLEL, ET CETERA, UM, DETERMINES, UH, WHERE THE RECEIVING AREA IS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, WE CERTAINLY COULD LOOK AT, SO THE, THE STANDARD DUMPSTER SCREENING IS, UH, 12 BY 18. UM, WE COULD LOOK AT EX EXPANDING ON THAT AND WOULD, WOULD BE HAPPY TO, TO VISIT THAT AND, UM, AND, AND PROFFER THAT. UM, THE ONLY ISSUE THERE IS THAT THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS IN THE SENSE THAT WE CAN'T TAKE IT ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE BUILDING PER SE, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE IMPACTING THE LOADING DRAWER AND THE EGRESS DOOR, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT MEETING LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO MAYBE EXTENDING THAT BY SIX FEET OR SO TO ALLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE FOR THOSE UNSIGHTLY ITEMS TO BE STORED AWAY. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK I CAN IN GOOD FAITH STAND HERE AND OFFER YOU FULL COMPLETE SCREENING ON THAT. YOU KNOW, AND WE COULD POTENTIALLY EVEN DO A COMBINATION OF A, A WIDER DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AREA AND MAYBE SLIGHTLY TALLER IF WE THINK THAT COULD BE ANY SORT OF BENEFIT. I DON'T THINK THE HEIGHT REALLY IS AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE AS, YOU KNOW, JUST THE [00:25:01] AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE BOXES ONCE A DELIVERY IS UNLOADED, UH, TAKE UP. BUT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED, IT'S ON OUR RADAR. UM, AND WE, WE CERTAINLY WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TRICKY ASPECT OF THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS OUTTA OUR HANDS WHEN IT COMES TO THE CLIENT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW HOW AN EMPLOYEE MIGHT BE HANDLING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT DOING THEIR JOB PROPERLY OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO ANYTHING WE CAN IF, IF, IF THAT'S A A, A CONCERN. I THINK THE GOOD THING THOUGH IS THAT IF WE CAN PROVIDE THE MEANS TO HELP, UM, SHIELD SOME OF THE VISUAL IMPACT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN'T RELY ON A HUNDRED PERCENT OF PEOPLE DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, BUT IF YOU DON'T EVEN GIVE 'EM THE TOOL TO DO IT, THEN YOU KNOW, THEY DEFINITELY WON'T. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE EXTRA SCREENING AND MATT SAYS THERE IS, THEN THAT'S GONNA HELP TO SOME DEGREE. WILL IT, YOU KNOW, SCREEN EVERY PIECE OF TRASH? WELL, PROBABLY NOT , BUT, BUT THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE VARIATION FROM STORE TO STORE AND PERSON TO PERSON. YEAH, I, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A COMPROMISE TYPE OF SITUATION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET AS MUCH IN THE MIDDLE OR BEYOND MIDDLE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. SO I BROUGHT THAT UP, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION SINCE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT, BROUGHT TO ME. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS PROBABLY A GOOD SEGUE INTO WHAT I BE COMING UP LATER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DID MENTION THE NELLIS FOR LAST MONTH MM-HMM . AND I WAS VERY SERIOUS. IT IS THE, IT IS THE BEST LOOKING ONE I'VE EVER SEEN. AND I KNOW IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, IT'S GOTTA BE 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THAT ROOF STRUCTURE THERE ON IT. BUT, UM, I'M, I'M PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BUT I I I AM SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T AT LEAST SHOW A PICTURE OF THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. SO THE PUBLIC OR ANYBODY ELSE WOULD, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW, I KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN BY THERE SO MANY TIMES, BUT I GUESS, WELL THAT GABLE ROOF REALLY IS, WE, WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT STORE AND REALLY TRIED TO CONSIDER COULD WE DO IT, BUT FOR THIS SITE WITHIN THIS BUDGET, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ADD THAT, IT, IT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WE COULD DO THIS, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT AT SOME POINT WE CAN'T DO IT ALL. AND SO . UM, SO THAT WAS REALLY THE FACTOR IN WHY, I GUESS I DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER, UM, INCLUDING IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET THE SENSE THAT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, THE ELEMENTS OF THAT STORE THAT WE COULD PROVIDE MAYBE MATT YEAH. TO, TO THAT END, UM, DOING THIS STORE WITH A GABLE ROOF IS, IS NOT WITHIN THE BUDGET. IT'S NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE BECAUSE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT, THESE ARE PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDINGS PRIMARILY. UM, AND THAT'S STILL AN OPTION WITH PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING, BUT IT'S AN EXTREMELY COSTLY OPTION AND NOT ONE THAT, UM, NOT AN EXPENSE WE'VE GOT IN THE BUDGET HERE NOW. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE CARRIE MENTIONED, WE, WE DO HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES AND I THINK, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND REACH A HAPPY MIDDLE GROUND WITH FACADE BREAKS, AR YOU KNOW, DIMENSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES, UM, AND COLOR SCHEMES THAT THAT COULD PROVIDE A LOT OF THAT LOOK THAT YOU'RE AFTER. UM, JUST NOT EVERYTHING. UM, AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT CARRIE'S HITTING THAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE PROFFERED THESE ELEVATIONS IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE NOT IN AN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT HAS ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS. SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THE COLOR OF BRICK OR POTENTIALLY MORE BRICK OR A DIFFERENT COLOR HARDY OR A DIFFERENT COLOR FAUX SHUTTER OR ADDING SOME AWNINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE FEASIBLE. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM OUR, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ASK, RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PROFFERED THESE UPGRADES WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD SIT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE ARGUING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANY OF IT. UM, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON A VERY ATTRACTIVE STORE, LIKE I SAID, WITH PICKING THE RIGHT COLORS, PICKING THE RIGHT STYLE, BRICK, COLOR BRICK, AND YOU KNOW, JUST WORKING TOGETHER TO, TO REALLY PIN DOWN EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. AND MY HANDS WERE A LITTLE BIT TIED. I I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAD SOME MAYBE MORE DETAILED AND SOME DIFFERENT [00:30:01] ELEVATIONS TO SHOW YOU. BUT I ALSO CAN'T JUST BE SPENDING MONEY HAND OVER FIST WITH AN ARCHITECT TO BE COMING UP WITH RENDERING AFTER RENDERING WITHOUT A CLEAR PATH FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT THE END GOAL'S GONNA BE. SO, SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY SAYING IS, IS THE ONLY WAY DOLLAR GENERAL WANTS TO COME TO FORD IS TO BUILD A LESSER VERSION TO GET THERE. THEY WERE WILLING TO GO TO NELLY'S FORD AND BUILD A NICE BUILDING AND PUT IT IN THEIR LOCATION TO COME THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO COME TO DENWITTY AND MAKE A NICE BUILDING TO COME HERE. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE IF THEY WERE HERE SO WE COULD HAVE ASKED THEM, WHICH THIS IS WHO'S ACTUALLY REALLY YOU'RE BUILDING IT AND LEASING IT, BUT IT'S REALLY DOLLAR GENERAL THAT WILL RUN IT, MAINTAIN IT, AND KEEP IT UP. WELL, TO SPEAK TO THE NELLY'S FORD STORE, I DON'T KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHECK INTO THIS, BUT I WOULD EXPECT, GIVEN THAT WHERE IT IS, UM, IT'S RIGHT DOWN AT THE FOOT OF WINTER GREEN MOUNTAIN, THAT THERE PROBABLY ARE ARCHITECTURAL OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS THAT ALREADY REQUIRE CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS BE MET LIKE THEY WERE IN SUTHERLAND. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS THE RESULT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STORE WE BUILT, THERE WAS THE RESULT OF THOSE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS THERE. NOW WE CAME OVER HERE BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE PEOPLE ENJOYED WHAT WAS DONE IN SUTHERLAND. WE CAME OVER HERE AND SAID, WELL, WE'LL JUST PROVIDE A SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE HERE, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO ARCHITECTURAL OVERLAY REQUIRING THESE ADDITIONAL THINGS. UM, I GUESS THE OTHER THING TO SAY IS THAT THE NELLYS FRUIT STORE IS A DIFFERENT MARKET AREA. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RICH PEOPLE GET MORE POOR PEOPLE GET LESS. GO ON AND SAY IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, . YOU CAN SAY IT THAT WAY IF YOU WANT . I AM GONNA SAY IT THAT WAY. ALRIGHT, WELL YOU COULD SAY IT THAT WAY IF YOU WANT . I, I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SAY IT THAT WAY, BUT, WELL, I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T SAY IT THAT WAY. I'M, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'D SAY WE, AGAIN, WE CAN OFFER SOME OTHER OPTIONS. ADDING THAT GABLE ROOF IS JUST NOT ONE THAT'S FEASIBLE FOR THIS STORE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT MORE BRICK, IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, SOME ARCHITECTURAL ACCENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN MAKE IT A NICER LOOKING STORE TO, YOU KNOW, WELL I HAD ORIGINALLY SAID BRICK AND YOU SAID ON THREE SIDES ALL BRICK. AND I SAID, YEAH, WHICH I REALLY WANTED ON ALL FOUR BECAUSE IT WILL BE SEEN FROM EVERY DIRECTION, NOT JUST THREE SIDES. BUT, AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN GIVE A RENDERING OF THAT. WELL, YOU WERE THE ONE AND YOU HAVE THOSE, WE HAD ONE PERSON WHO WAS REAL HEAVY ON BRICK AND THAT WAS YOU MR. TITMUS. AND THEN THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAID, WELL, I'D PREFER THIS, PREFER THAT. SO THAT'S MY POINT OF SAYING WE KIND OF NEED A MAJORITY OPINION HERE IN ORDER FOR US TO KNOW WHAT TO GO FORWARD WITH. WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK ON IT, ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, WE'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION RECOMMENDATIONS Y'ALL MAKE. OF COURSE. AND WE'RE GONNA, THE ONLY OTHER OPINION WE NEED TO HEAR FROM SAM HAYS OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY ELSE SAY ANYTHING. WELL, I'LL CLARIFY THIS. I HAD THIS A SIMILAR REACTION AND, AND MY, MY NOTE TO SELF WAS TALK TO MARK LATER ABOUT LET'S REVISIT OUR ARCHITECTURAL OVERLAY BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A WHILE MM-HMM . WE PROBABLY THIS HEALTHY TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. SURE. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE DID THAT. WHAT'S WORKED, WHAT HASN'T WORKED? WHAT ARE OUR THOUGHTS TODAY? MM-HMM . THAT WAS MY REACTION TO THAT. BUT, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AND KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TWO RIGHT UP DOWN THE ROAD, I KIND OF DEFER TO YOU ON THIS. AND IF, YOU KNOW, MY, I I, I TAKE THE, I TAKE THE GABLE ROOF AND GO TO BRICK NOW. SO I MEAN, I JUST LOOK AT IT. I, I'VE GOT PROBLEMS WITH THE SUTHERLAND STORE, FIRST OF ALL. MM-HMM . IT'S TERRIBLE GRADING OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THAT, BUT THE, THE PARKING LOT HOLDS WATER IN THREE SPOTS FOR DAYS. IT DOESN'T DRAIN WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S POOR WORKMANSHIP. UH, I THINK THE PUTTING IT LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT BECAUSE OF THE WAY Y'ALL DID THAT. I KNOW I HAD A TALK WITH MARK BASSETT ABOUT THAT, AND FINALLY Y'ALL WENT AND PUT THAT, UH, EXTERIOR ON IT. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT RESERVATIONS OF JUST HOW IT'S BUILT ALTOGETHER. I MEAN, I THINK THAT COMMUNITY DESERVES A REALLY NICE BUILDING. IT WOULD BE THE FIRST NEW STORE THAT THAT AREA [00:35:01] HAS GOTTEN AND COULD, AS YOU SAY, SPUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO BE THE ONE TO SPUR GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF MEDIOCRE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA? SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I THOUGHT AN ALL BRICK STORE WOULD SHOW THAT YOU WANTED A CLASSY LOOK TO THE OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF JUST HARDY PLANK AND A LITTLE BIT OF BRICK AT THE BOTTOM AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YOU DO HAVE PICTURES ON YOUR WEBSITE OF ALL BRICK ON THREE SIDES. SO I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THAT. BUT THAT RENDERING WAS NOT BROUGHT. SO I'M JUST SAYING I, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT PROBLEMS WITH DOLLAR GENERAL, PERIOD. THEY'VE BEEN SUED IN SEVERAL STATES FOR PRACTICE ISSUES, UH, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. NOW I, I JUST, I I THINK IT WOULD KEEP US FROM GETTING SOMETHING ELSE LATER ON. WHEN YOU SATURATE AN AREA WITH DOLLAR GENERALS, ANOTHER SUPERMARKET WOULDN'T LOOK AT YOUR AREA BECAUSE THEY WOULD SAY YOU CAN GO TWO MINUTES TO A DOLLAR GENERAL AND PICK YOUR MILK AND YOUR BREAD UP. SO WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A NICE GROCERY STORE SOMEWHERE. SO I HAVE ISSUES TO THAT. THIS WOULD BE THE FIFTH DOLLAR GENERAL IN DENWITTY COUNTY. I THINK THE PEOPLE IN FORD DESERVE SOMETHING. I'M NOT AGAINST SOMETHING COMING THERE, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA COME, YOU OUGHT TO COME AND MAKE IT LOOK NICE AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO SHOW YOU WE CAN DO IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE DESERVE IT. WELL, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO, BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, WORK WITH THE STAFF, WORK WITH COMMENTS WE GET FROM THIS COMMISSION, WORK WITH ANY FEEDBACK WE GET FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS HERE THAT WOULD ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR. UM, BUT WE DO NEED TO, TO GET THAT FEEDBACK. AND I'M GETTING IT FROM YOU, MR. TINNIUS, WHICH IS GREAT. I APPRECIATE IT. UM, BUT IT'D BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD GET FEEDBACK FROM OTHERS AS WELL, JUST SO THAT WE, WE DON'T GO IN ONE DIRECTION AND THEN WE GET TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS MEETING AND WE FIND OUT THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND, YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES. WELL, I GET IT. I MEAN, BUT WELL IF THAT, EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WANTING WHEN THE CHAIRMAN SPEAKS, WE AGREE. WELL THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW. SO ALL FOUR SIDES. RIGHT. SO AS FAR AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION GOES, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO KNOW. YEAH. AND ALL FOUR SIDES. BRICK. YES, SIR. OKAY. . I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE. I'LL HAVE TO LET MATT SPEAK TO THAT, BUT, UM, WE KNOW, BUT IT'S HELPFUL. WELL, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT FEEDBACK AND WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT, SEE IF WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, PROVIDE THOSE ELEVATIONS. YEAH, BECAUSE DIDN'T, I MEAN, MR. MR. HAYES SAID THAT HE WOULD WITHDRAW HIS GABLE FOR THE SIDES. DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT, SAM? NO, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THE BUDGETARY ISSUES, SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S NO PROBLEM. I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME LIKE THAT ON MY HOUSE AND I CAN'T AFFORD IT EITHER. SO , BUT WE, WE DO TEND TO SPEAK IN UNISON EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST ONE PERSON SPEAKING. OKAY. WE FIGHT AFTER WE FIGHT AND CLOSE DOORS. WE DON'T FIGHT OUT HERE. . OKAY. WELL I APPRECIATE THAT. WELL, AS I SAID, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT OPTIONS. UM, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS, SINCE WE DO HAVE CITIZENS WHO'VE SAID THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO PROVIDE THE PRODUCT AND WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO MAKE IT AS ATTRACTIVE AS, YOU KNOW, YOU'D LIKE IT TO BE. WELL, YOU TURN AROUND AND ASK HER WHAT SHE THINKS IT OUGHT TO LOOK LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE . OKAY. IS THE PUBLIC HEARING STILL OPEN? I GUESS SHE CAN COME BACK. I MEAN, YOU, YOU WANT TO PUT HER IN THE, IN THE SPOTLIGHT FOR WANTING IT. I DON'T THINK SHE WOULD BE A NICE REPRESENTATION IN PERSON TO SAY WHAT SHE WOULD LIKE. WE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, DURING THIS MEETING OR AFTER THE MEETING. IT'S JUST US HERE. SO WE WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE FACT THAT IF THIS WAS AN ISSUE, THIS STORE IN SUTHERLAND WAS NOT BUILT TO THE SAME SPECIFICATIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING HIM TO DO THE WINNING FORWARD. I I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE ONE THAT WENT IN SUTHERLAND, SO THAT I'M NOT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD THAT DID THE SUTHERLAND STORE. UH, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAD BEEN ASSIGNED IN THE COUNTY HAD I SAID I WOULD'VE SAID [00:40:01] AL BRICK IN SUTHERLAND AND MUCH NICER LOOKING THAN IT IS TRASH SHIELDED ON THE SIDE WHERE IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME BETTER THINGS THAT ARE THERE. UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S THERE AND WE GOTTA LIVE WITH WHAT WE GOT NOW BECAUSE IT'S BEEN APPROVED. BUT I LOOK AT FORD AS ALMOST A BRAND NEW ENVIRONMENT. THERE WERE THINGS, THERE ARE THINGS IN NAR. IT'S ACROSS FROM A WALMART DISTRIBUTION CENTER. I MEAN, I, I WISH THAT LOOKED BETTER THAN IT DID, BUT IT DOESN'T. WELL, IF IT'S POSSIBLE WITHIN THEIR BUDGET, THEY CAN DO THE BRICK, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS AS RESIDENTS OF THE FORD AREA. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BASICALLY FROM SUTHERLAND ALL THE WAY UP TO 1 53. I AGREE WITH YOU. NO BUSINESSES WHATSOEVER. AND THIS AREA HAS BECOME VERY HEAVILY POPULATED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GROWTH AS FAR AS RESIDENCES AND THE PEOPLE OF IT, OF FORD CHURCH ROAD AND THE WILSON AREA. WE DESERVE SOME CONVENIENCE. AND I AGREE AS WELL THAT YOU DESERVE CONVENIENCE. I JUST THINK YOU DESERVE MORE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, DO IT. . I I THINK WE'VE HEARD THE FEEDBACK. THAT'S CLEAR. WE CAN ROLL WITH THAT. WE DO WHAT WE DO. I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS DOLLAR GENERAL. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA BE A DG MARKET UNTIL RECENTLY, BUT THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. WHEN YOU HAVE A SMALL CHILD GOING TO SCHOOL AND THEY COME HOME AND THEY TELL YOU, MAMA, UH, DAD, I NEED, UH, TO GET SOME GLUE STICKS OR WHATEVER. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE 20 MILES AROUND 50. GET IT. YEP. WELL, WHEN WE, WE SPOKE WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ACROSS THE ROAD AS WELL AS WE WERE TRYING TO DO SOME RESEARCH, RIGHT. SOME OUTREACH AND UH, THE FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS POSITIVE FROM THEM AS WELL. BUT WE LIVE RIGHT ON THE NEXT ROAD OKAY. AND HAVE BEEN FOR 53 YEARS. YEAH. AND THE CLOSEST THING TO US AS FAR, WELL THE GAS, UH, THE SERVICE STATION, IT DOESN'T SERVE GAS, IT DOES MAINTENANCE, UH, CAR REPAIRS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME CONVENIENCE WITH THE PRICE OF GAS AND YOUR TIME. THERE'S NO PRICE TAG YOU CAN PUT ON TIME TRAVELING 10 MILES TO SUTHERLAND OR 10 MILES APPROXIMATELY UP TO 1 53 AND BACK. I MEAN, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. WE'RE DEFINITELY FOR IT. I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DEFINITELY FOR THE BILLING OF A DOLLAR GENERAL MARKET STORE FILE EARLIER. AND YOU HEARD HER SAY BRICK? I DID. I HEARD HER SAY, DO WHAT YOU CAN DO WITHIN YOUR BUDGET AND SHE WANTS BRICK. LET'S, LET'S, LET'S LET, LET'S DO THIS STORE. LIKE MR. TIPNER SAID, LET'S DO THIS STORE SO THAT IT IS EYE POPPING WHEN PEOPLE PASS BY. IT'LL BE EYE POPPING THAT LETS ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO COME IN THE AREA KNOW YOU CAN'T COME HALF STEPPING. AND I THINK THEY DESERVE IT. AND IT SHOULD BE A STEPPING STONE TO MAYBE SOME GROWTH WITH OTHER BUSINESSES IN THERE. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. BUT IF YOU, DID YOU SAY THREE SIDES? WELL, THAT WAS WHEN WE FIRST TALKED LAST MONTH, HE SAID THREE SIDES. I THREW INTO FOUR AND I WOULD WANT IT TO BE FOUR JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT COMING FROM CLAY STREET. YOU CAN SEE IT GOING EASTBOUND ON FOUR 60. YOU CAN SEE IT GOING WESTBOUND ON FOUR 60. AND YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE THE SIDE THAT FACES FOUR 60. SO THEY ON THE SIDE THAT YOU'RE GOING, IT WASN'T GONNA BREAK, ESPECIALLY RAILROAD TRUCK. I, I'M NOT SURE THERE, THERE'S SOME MISCOMMUNICATION HERE. I DON'T THINK THERE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THAT. YES, THAT'S A GABLE IN. OKAY, WELL I I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIDE. YOU SAID, DO YOU MEAN BRICK ON THREE SIDES? AND I SAID YES. I THINK THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN MATT, BECAUSE I WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ON WHETHER IT WAS ARCHITECTURAL. DO YOU ALL WORK FOR THE SAME PEOPLE? YES. WELL, HE'S SITTING RIGHT HERE SAYS, JUST GIMME THE, JUST GIMME THE BRICK ON THE STORE, MAN. WE WILL REVISIT THE BRICK AND GET YOU SOME ELEVATIONS. TELL DOLLAR GENERAL IF THEY, THEY REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT BEING SOMETHING IN OUR COMMUNITY, COME WITH IT. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TELL YOU A DIFFERENT NUMBER TO DO THIS FOR. SEE, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. WHEN DOLLAR GENERAL [00:45:01] DOESN'T SIT IN HERE WITH US AND WE GET TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE IN THE BUILDING. I GET YOU'RE THE BUILDER AND THEY'VE TOLD YOU WE WANT A BUILDING WITHIN THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA MEET THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING. NOW WE ARE SAYING WE HAVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD. NOW DOLLAR GENERAL HAS TO SAY, LOOK, WE'LL CONCEDE THEY WANT SOME MORE BRICK, THEY WANT SOME MORE OF THIS. WE'LL HAVE TO SHOOT YOU A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY FOR THE PROJECT TO DO THAT. THAT'S YOUR JOB TO GO BACK TO DOLLAR GENERAL AND SAY THAT TO 'EM BECAUSE THEY WON'T SIT IN HERE WITH US. THEY'RE THE BUSINESS OWNER. YOU'RE JUST THE BUILDING OWNER. ALRIGHT. AND THE FOLK WANT THEIR DOLLAR GENERAL. WE WANT THE DOLLAR GENERAL. SO YOU YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE IT NO MATTER WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE CRAP, IT'D BE A NORMAL DOLLAR GENERAL. I DID NOT SAVE THAT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SECURE FOR YOU. IT IS SOMETHING BETTER THAN THAT. OKAY. CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION THOUGH, SINCE WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED HERE, CITIZENS, YOU'VE GOT ONE PER ONE FAMILY HERE, ONE FAMILY. THAT'S NOT PEOPLE, BUT IT'S THE, IT'S THE PERSON THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE. I KNOW IT'S, YOU HAD ONE LAST MONTH THAT WAS AGAINST IT. OKAY. SO YOU NOW HAVE NEGATED ANY POSITIVE. IT'S NOW NEUTRAL. ALRIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO GO BY YOUR STANDARDS, I'M NOT TRYING TO COUNT VOTES HERE. I I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF, BUT YOU'RE USING THEM AS VOTES. I'M JUST ASKING IF WHAT WE ARE SHOWING HERE, IF I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, LET US GO ON AND, AND TALK WITH OUR VOTE. HOW ABOUT THAT? THAT'D BE FINE. OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. WE'VE, WE'VE SAID THAT WE WILL LOOK AT THE BRICK AND PUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN DO WITHIN THE BUDGET AND WE'VE HEARD WHAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO HEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONG COMMISSIONERS? WELL, THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WAS A PRACTICAL MATTER. IT'S NOT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT'S A REZONING. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T DEMAND A PROPER, SO NO. EITHER WE ACCEPT WHAT'S HERE, HERE ON THE PAPER OR WE DON'T YEAH, EXACTLY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM SOMEONE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH ONE. LOST MY SCREEN. WELL, DURING THIS SILENCE HERE, I'LL JUST SAY THAT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO IS WE'RE NOT SATISFIED, BUT WE GOTTA, UH, WE, WE GOTTA DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE WORKING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BOARD AND ALL. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN WANTING TO, TO, TO DELAY, DELAY THAT OR NOT. I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD DELAY IT. AGAIN, WE'RE A RECOMMENDING BOARD AND IF THEY'VE HEARD WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT AND YOU SAY NO BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD WHAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR, OR YES, YOU HAVE HEARD WHAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR, THEN THEY'VE GOT AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'VE GOTTA DO AND WHAT THE BOARD'S GOTTA MAKE A DECISION ON. TRUE. I'M, I'M JUST ALWAYS LOOKING AT IT FROM PERSPECTIVE TO MAKE SURE WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. AND I DIDN'T WALK IN HERE TONIGHT THINKING IT WAS GONNA COME OUT QUITE THAT WAY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE WILLING TO, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ME TALKING, ARE YOU WILLING TO, TO ROLL ON AND, AND MOVE ON TO NEXT MONTH? OR YOU WANT TO TALK IT THROUGH WITH US ANOTHER MONTH? THAT'S JUST ME ASKING THAT. NOT ANYBODY ELSE. I AGREE WITH YOU. WELL, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN BEFORE THIS COMMISSION TWICE AS YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE NOW GOTTEN SOME GOOD FEEDBACK. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DEFER. OKAY. OKAY. AS LONG AS WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. IN THE MEANTIME, WHEN WE DO PROVIDE SOME ALTERNATIVE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, THEN I THINK WE'LL BE IN A GOOD POSITION TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD THERE. SO, OKAY. DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. YOU WILL SEE US AGAIN. I WILL, I WAS WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, COMMIT THE TIME TO YOU, BUT THAT'S FINE. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO ARE YOU WILLING TO DO BRICKS ON THREE SIDES? HE DOESN'T KNOW. I, I I CAN ENTERTAIN BRICK, THREE SIDES, FOUR SIDES. I'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND IT'S A DECISION THAT I CAN'T STAND UP HERE AND MAKE WITH THE BUDGET. I'VE GOTTA GO TALK TO THE CEO OF OUR COMPANY. [00:50:01] WELL, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT NAILED DOWN. SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THINKING. WELL, I MEAN, I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, WE WANNA BE CONSCIOUS OF EVERYONE'S TIME AND I I'M HAPPY IF Y'ALL LIKE TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. IF YOU FEEL, IF YOU FEEL THAT WE COULD PUT YOU ALL MORE AT EASE BY COMING UP WITHS, SOME, SOME ELEVATIONS BASED ON THE FEEDBACK, THE MORE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TONIGHT BY DEFERRING, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT. BECAUSE, I MEAN, TIME IS MONEY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT AS MUCH AS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN FIND A COMPROMISE THERE. SO AGAIN, BRING THAT UP. I'M WILLING TO HELP OUT ON THAT. AND I MEAN, I'LL LI I'LL WAIT A MONTH, BUT I DON'T YOU DON'T THINK IT'LL CHANGE? I, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. IT MAY CHANGE. I HAVE NO IDEA. HE'S GOT TO TALK TO WHOEVER HE IS GOT TALK TO. I I'VE GOTTA HAVE THE CONVERSATION, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA GET THE ELEVATIONS DONE FOR YOU WHETHER YOU VOTE TONIGHT OR WE PUSH THIS AND WE ALL SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN IN A MONTH. RIGHT. WELL, YOU WON'T SEE US AGAIN IN A MONTH IF, IF WE VOTE, UM, EITHER WAY IT GOES TO THE BOARD. I JUST, I FEEL LIKE I, I FEEL LIKE AFTER BEING AT THIS, WHILE I FEEL LIKE I OWE IT, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE WE DO AS BEST A JOB WE CAN. AND THAT'S WHY I OFFERED THE IDEA OF A DEFERRAL, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT'S BAD FOR YOU. THAT'S ANOTHER MONTH THAT KILLS YOU A MONTH. I KNOW. YEAH. I MEAN I, I'D PREFER NOT TO HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU ALL CAN LIVE WITH US, WORKING WITH THE SUPERVISORS ON THE UPDATED ELEVATIONS AND THEM ULTIMATELY MAKING A DECISION BASED OFF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE, THEN I SAY WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE DON'T WASTE ANY MORE TIME. YES, SIR. THIS IS THE PROPOSED LOOK THE WAY IT'S GONNA LOOK NOW. RIGHT. VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. IT COULD BE SOME DIFFERENT COLORS, BUT YES. THAT'S METAL. THAT'S METAL. METAL. NO CEMENT. WELL, IT'S BRICK AT THE BOTTOM. CEMENT SIDE AND OR HARDY PLANK, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT ON THE REST OF IT. OH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL BOARDS OR HARDY PLANK. HARDY PLANK. AND THEN THE REAR ELEVATION WOULD BE NOTHING BUT METAL BUILDING WHAT'S ON THE SIDE. IT WOULD BE THE HARDY PLANK. AND I THINK THE BRICK EXTENDS DOWN THE SIDES AS WELL. YES, CORRECT. YES SIR. DOES THE HOTTER PLAN HAVE A DURATION? I MEAN, IS IT, WOULD IT BE DETERIORATING AND, UM, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF A SIDING OPTION? IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DURABLE SIDING OPTIONS THERE IS AND IT'S A, IT'S A LOT MORE STURDY THAN A VINYL. UM, AND IT'S, IT IS, IT IS GOT A, IT IS, IT IS TEXTURED. SO IT, IT, IT, IT PROVIDES A LITTLE UPGRADED LOOK. UM, OBVIOUSLY NOT, NOT THE BRICK LOOK THAT IT'S BEEN BECOME EVIDENT THAT WE WANT TO SEE HERE. SO, WELL THIS SPECIFIC, ON THIS SPECIFIC PICTURE THAT WE HAVE HERE, WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE, AS YOU SAID, WILL NOTHING, WILL ANYTHING CHANGE? WELL, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE HEARD WHAT'S BEEN SAID TONIGHT AND I'M GONNA GO AND HAVE MY CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY AND I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MY ARCHITECT AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AS MUCH BRICK AND YOU KNOW, THIS CATALYST STORE FROM FORD AS I POSSIBLY CAN. THANK YOU. MY THING IS, IS WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN FRONT OF YOU IS ALL YOU GOT. SO MAKE YOUR DECISION ON THAT NOT FUTURE. WELL, I, I SAY SINCE THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO LIVE WITH THE DEFERRAL AND KIND OF NOT HIS FIRST CHOICE, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IF WE OWE IT TO, UH, EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND IF HE'S WILLING TO DO THAT, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND THAT, UH, I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER THIS A MONTH TO DISCUSS THAT AND FURTHER, I'D BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, DONATE SOME OF MY TIME TO HELP IF NEED BE. SO IF ANYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S GENERAL CONSENSUS ON THAT? WHAT'S OUR SCHEDULE LIKE NEXT MONTH? OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. WE GOT THE, ANOTHER [00:55:01] MEETING NEXT MONTH AT OUR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. YES. UH, POTENTIALLY, I MEAN, DEFINITELY TWO, UH, REZONING REQUESTS, POSSIBLY A THIRD, UM, FOR AS FAR AS PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT NIGHT AT OUR REGULAR MEETING. AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE A WORKSHOP, JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE BOARD FROM FOUR TO SIX AND THEN MOVE INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. OKAY. MR. BASSETT? YES. IS IT POSSIBLE TO, UH, FAST TRACK THIS CASE NEXT MONTH? LIKE WE, IF WE DELAY IT TILL NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE GET BACK TOGETHER, IS IT POSSIBLE THEN TO PUT IT ON FOR THE BOARD NEXT MONTH TOO? CAN THEY, CAN THAT BE DONE IF THEY WILL DO IT? I, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE THIS EVENING. WE CAN REQUEST THAT, ASK THE BOARD THAT QUESTION, BUT IT'LL BE UP TO MR. MASSING AND THE BOARD AS TO WHETHER THEY WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT. WE COULD CERTAINLY ASK FOR THAT THAT WELL, WE, IF IF THEY WOULD DO THAT, THEN THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WHAT, DECEMBER? DECEMBER? YEAH. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL DECEMBER. IT'S GONNA BE A SHORT TURNAROUND TIME BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD TO HAVE THE PROFFERS FINAL AND PREPARED FOR, FOR THE BOARD. UH, SO, SO THERE'S SIX DAYS BETWEEN THE NOVEMBER PC MEETING ON THE 13TH AND THE NOVEMBER BOS MEETING ON THE 19TH. I MEAN THAT, THAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE, BUT IN, IN MY 13 YEARS, I'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT HAPPEN MAYBE TWO OR THREE TIMES. MM-HMM . BUT IF THE BOARD, IF THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WANT TO DO THAT, IT IS, IT IS POSSIBLE. IT PROBABLY WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE PROFFERS FINALIZED, YOU KNOW, EVEN A COUPLE WEEKS IN ADVANCE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IF, IF THAT WERE THE AVENUE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO TAKE. BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, PROFFERS ARE THE SOLE PREROGATIVE OF THE, THE APPLICANT. I THINK I'VE HEARD THEM ASKING TONIGHT KIND OF DO YOU WANT BRICK OR HARDY PLANK OR WHAT YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE. AND I, I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT MAYBE YOU WANT AS MUCH BRICK AS AS THEY CAN DO, UM, BUT IT IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEIR SOLE PREROGATIVE WHAT THEY WANT TO TO PROFFER THERE. WELL, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH BRICK AS THEY CAN DO. WE WANT, WE WANT THREE SIDES OF BRICK. WELL, THEY, I YOU, THEY, THEY, THEY GET TO PROFFER WHAT THEY WANT TO PROFFER AND THEN YOU GET TO VOTE ON IT. THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. MY ARGUMENT IS, IS DOLLAR GENERAL HAS DONE IT IN OTHER AREAS. WHY CAN'T THEY DO IT IN OURS? THAT'S A, THAT'S DOLLAR GENERAL'S CALL AND THAT'S THEM TALKING TO DOLLAR GENERAL TO DO THAT. AND I THINK PERSONALLY, I THINK IF YOU SAID NO TONIGHT, THAT SHOWS DOLLAR GENERAL WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. IF THEY WANT TO PUT A STORE THERE AND THEY WOULD CHANGE THEIR MIND. THAT'S ME PERSONALLY. YOU MEAN YOU THINK BEFORE THE BOARD MEETING? YEAH. AND THEY WOULD HAVE IT IRONED OUT. IF NOT, THEN THE BOARD CAN DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT IT, LIKE IT SHOWS IT NOW TO SATISFY THE PEOPLE OF THAT AREA OR THEY WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT. THAT'S TRUE. SO I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT AND BY DISAPPROVING THEN THE GUYS THAT MAKE , IT TELLS DOMINIC MAKE THE BIG THAT'S RIGHT. IT TELLS TWO PEOPLE THEM AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THAT'S RIGHT. WHAT WE THINK SHOULD GO THERE. YEAH, WELL CERTAINLY SOME LOGIC IN THAT. I WOULD AGREE. YEAH. I MEAN, I'LL MAKE THE THE MOTION YOU CAN'T DO IT, BUT I KNOW I SHOULDN'T AS THE CHAIRMAN YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO IT. . ALRIGHT. I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL THOUGHTS THERE AND I THINK, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND OURS, RIGHT? SO, UM, WE'RE WORKING FOR NEXT, NEXT MONTH AND UM, SO TO GET THAT BALL ROLLING, UM, I'LL SAY BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 ALPHA SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE [01:00:01] FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT REZONING CASE P DASH 24 DASH 12 BE RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I SECOND. IT'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. CAN WE ADD A ROLL CALL PLEASE? THAT WAS MR. CUNNINGHAM WHO SECONDED? YES. YES. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. HARVILLE? NO. AND MR. TITUS? YES. FIVE MEMBERS VOTING YES FOR DISAPPROVAL, ONE FOR NO P DASH 24 DASH 12 GOES TO THE BOARD WITH A FIVE TO ONE DISAPPROVAL VOTE. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON ON THE AGENDA TO OLD [8. OLD BUSINESS] BUSINESS SHORT TERM RENTALS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, AS YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE, UM, WHEN MR. ROBINSON WAS HERE, UH, WE WERE WORKING WITH YOU ALL ON DISCUSSING HOW THE COUNTY WANTED TO PROCEED WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UM, SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE ADDITIONAL, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UM, THAT WE'VE HAD TO ADDRESS THROUGH A CODE COMPLIANCE. AND WE'VE HAD TO ISSUE, UM, CODE COMPLIANCE VIOLATION NOTICES IN THAT, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE NOT ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF, UM, FARM STAYS WITH AGRITOURISM ACTIVITIES. UM, SO WE HAVE HAD TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AGAIN ON SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY. SO IN DISCUSSION WITH MR. MASSAL IN THE BOARD, UM, AS I INDICATED, THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT YEAR, UH, NOVEMBER, UH, MEETING DATE, UM, HAVE A WORKSHOP, JOINT MEETING WORKSHOP WITH THE BOARD STARTING AT FOUR TO SIX O'CLOCK. AND THEN FROM SIX TO SEVEN, UM, WE WOULD HAVE A DINNER. AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WOULD MOVE INTO YOUR, UH, REGULAR MEETING WHERE WE'LL HAVE, UM, AS I INDICATED, UM, AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR, UH, TWO OTHER, UH, REZONINGS THAT EVENING. SO AS PART OF THAT, UM, MEETING WITH THE BOARD, WE WANTED TO REOPEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW THE COUNTY WOULD HANDLE, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, POSSIBLY, UM, WOULD WE ALLOW THOSE, UH, IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, UH, WITHIN THE COUNTY. UM, MR. JURY HAS DRAFTED A SHORT-TERM RENTALS ORDINANCE ABOUT REALLY MANNER OF OP OPERATION AND HOW TO, UH, PERMIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UM, WITHIN THE COUNTY. UM, NOT SO MUCH, UH, WHERE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED, BUT UM, AGAIN, HOW TO ADDRESS MANNER OF OPERATION AND THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR FORER SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO, UM, WANTED TO JUST HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH THAT WITH YOU ALL THIS EVENING, LETTING YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S ON OUR RADAR AND BETWEEN THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD AND YOU ALL, UM, THAT WORKSHOP WE WILL SEND OUT, UM, DRAFT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE RELATED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT MR. DREWRY HAS DRAFTED AND POSSIBLY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE PRIOR TO THAT MEETING. BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE TOPICS WE'RE GONNA HAVE AT THAT WORKSHOP, JOINT WORKSHOP MEETING WITH THE BOARD AND AT YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING. THAT IT YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, ON TO NEW [9. NEW BUSINESS Data Centers/Emerging] BUSINESS DATA CENTERS, EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES ZONING DISTRICT. AND UH, AS A FOLLOW UP TO WHAT I MENTIONED WITH THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION AT YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING, UH, STAFF IS INCLUDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, WANTED TO, UH, TALK WITH YOU AND THE BOARD ABOUT, UM, AGAIN, POSSIBLY HOW TO INCLUDE, UH, DATA CENTERS AS WELL AS OTHER EMERGENCY TECHNOLOGIES, UM, IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, WHAT DISTRICTS THAT, UM, TYPE OF USE WILL BE ALLOWED IN AND HOW WE WOULD TREAT THAT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, IN ADDITION [01:05:01] TO THAT, UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN DISCUSSION, UM, SOME LOCALITIES HAVE, UM, TREATED DATA CENTERS AND OTHER ME EMERGING TECHNOLOGY, UM, USES, UM, WITH OVERLAY DISTRICTS ALLOWING THOSE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTY, UH, WITHIN CERTAIN OVERLAY DISTRICTS. SO THAT, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE A TOPIC, UM, TO DISCUSS AS WELL, IN ADDITION TO ACTUALLY, UM, HOW WE WOULD INCLUDE IT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES OF HOW TO ALLOW THOSE USES, UM, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, EITHER WITH A OVERLAY DISTRICT OR, UM, AS A SPECIFIC USE, UH, WITHIN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS. PROBABLY OUR, UM, INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS MAINLY. BUT, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, THE OTHER MAIN TOPIC, UH, THAT THE BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WILL HAVE DISCUSSION ON AT AT THAT WORKSHOP MEETING IN NOVEMBER. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. GO AHEAD. UM, SO I THINK I MENTIONED THIS TWO OR THREE MEETINGS AGO. I WAS TRYING TO GET EDUCATED ON DATA CENTERS, UH, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY VERY, UH, KNOWLEDGEABLE OF IS, YOU KNOW, THE POWER REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE, THE ELECTRICAL POWER, UH, REQUIREMENTS. AND SO, AND I THINK THIS PROBABLY GETS TO YOUR OVERLAY DISTRICT METHODOLOGY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH. UM, I KNOW HOW TO PLUG INTO COURT, YOU KNOW, BUT THE, UM, UH, UM, I DON'T, I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS. BUT, AND I KNOW I'M SAYING THIS WRONG, BUT THERE ARE ONLY CERTAIN EXISTING LINES THAT CARRY ENOUGH VOL VOLTAGE. I THINK I'M SAYING THAT CORRECTLY. THAT COULD, THAT COULD SUPPLY ONE OF THESE PLACES. RIGHT. SO, AND I KNOW THE NEW ONES COULD BE BUILT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I REMEMBER SEEING THIS SOME TIME AGO WHEN WE HAD ANOTHER CASE FOR SOME REASON. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. YEP. BUT THERE IS A MAP OUT THERE THAT EXISTS THAT SHOWS WHAT THESE, UH, LINE, THESE NECESSARY LINES LOOK LIKE IN DENWOOD COUNTY. AND SO I'D LIKE TO, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR ALL OF US, BUT PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO STUDY THAT A LITTLE BIT TO COME PREPARED TO THAT MEETING. SO IF YOU HAVE, IF THAT MAP IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE, I'D LIKE TO SEE US GET A COPY OF IT JUST SO WE KIND OF HAVE A FEEL FOR THAT. AND, 'CAUSE I GOT A FEELING IT'S GONNA KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND WITH THE METHODOLOGY DISCUSSION AROUND, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICTS TOO. I GET YOU. I'LL GET THAT. I'LL GET THAT. YEAH, WE WILL DO THAT. WE DID DO THAT AS PART OF WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING, UM, SOLAR IN GENERAL WHERE SOLAR YEAH. MAY LOCATE IN THE COUNTY. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE THAT. WE'LL, WE WILL GET THAT TO YOU. YES. IS THE ONLY DOMINION THAT HAS LINES OF THAT, OF THAT AREA OF CAPABILITY. ORS ELECTRIC DOES TOO. IT, WELL, MR. CUNNINGHAM? NO. YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M SURE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S ONLY AT CERTAIN AREAS. YEAH. IT'S ONLY THE DOMINION TRANSMISSION LINES. YEAH. OKAY. KIND OF THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY OF ELECTRICITY FLOW, RIGHT? YES. BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE ENOUGH AVAIL, ENOUGH AVAILABLE ON A LINE TO EVEN DO THAT. SO YOU NEED TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY LINES THAT EVEN HAVE AVAILABILITY FOR THAT. WELL, IT, IT IS FUNNY YOU SAY THAT. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE PAST FEW MONTHS IS LIKE, I, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF WATER. YOU KNOW, WE, IN SEWER, WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT, WELL, YOU'RE LIMITED BY WATER, YOU'RE LIMITED BY SEWER. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH ELECTRICAL GENERATION UNTIL WE START BUILDING MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S , THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MORE ELECTRICAL POWER OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES IT GET ALLOCATED TO? DOES IT GET ALLOCATED TO RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, OTHER BUSINESS GROWTH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. IT'S JUST, IT BRING, IT IS A, IT IS A VERY GOOD PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION. I MEAN, THE NEWEST POWER PLANTS, THE NEWEST NUCLEAR PLANTS, ARE IT SOUTH CLOUD IN GEORGIA? NO, IT'S TWO HERE. VIRGINIA LAKE COUNTY JUST CLOSED. IS IT CLOSED? NO. REBUILDING. THEY DIDN'T CLOSE. THEY REBUILDING IT OR THE DOOR? UH, I NEVER KNEW IT TO CLOSE. , THAT'S SMITH MOUNTAIN LAKE. NO, THAT'S NOT LAKE. WELL, SIR. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE NOW WE CAN GO [10. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] ON TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? ANY COMMENTS? NO. YEAH, I DO. OKAY. UM, WE NEED TO REVIEW AGAIN, [01:10:01] OVERLAY DISTRICTS IN GENERAL. WE REALLY, WE REALLY NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE, UH, SINCE THAT WAS APPROVED? TIME DOES BUY, DOESN'T IT? HAS IT BEEN 10 YEARS? CLOSE TO 10 YEARS? I'M THINKING NINE YEARS SINCE WE FIRST ADOPTED. I THINK SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT KIND OF SUGGESTED MAYBE TIME TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S GOOD. I WANT TO REITERATE ALSO THOUGH, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE DID HAVE A, A VALID COMMENT RELATED TO OVERLAY DISTRICTS IN THAT THE ROUTE FOUR 60 OVERLAY DISTRICT ONLY EXTENDS OUT TO, UH, CLAYBORN ROAD. AND IS THAT INE? YEAH, INE AND CLAIBORNE ROAD. THAT'S AS FAR WEST AS THAT EXTENT. SO THERE'S NO OVERLAY PAST THAT. IT DOESN'T GO TO TRANQUILITY NO. WHERE THE ACCESS ENDS FOR PULLING ON 2 4 60. I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WENT THAT FAR. YEAH, NO, IT, IT ENDS AT CLAYBORNE AND YEAH, IIII UNDERSTOOD THAT. I JUST, YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO, IT, IT JUST KIND OF REMINDED ME IT WAS PROBABLY TIME TO TAKE A, A GANDER AT IT AGAIN. UM, I HAVE ONE OTHER THING. GO AHEAD. I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF GET Y'ALL THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING TO SOLICIT A LITTLE BIT BIT OF FEEDBACK AND, AND REALLY FOR THE PUBLIC TOO. UM, BUT IN GETTING APPOINTED TO THE FREIGHTER PLANNING DISTRICT, UM, I'VE BEEN DOING THAT NOW FOR THREE OR FOUR GO ROUNDS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS KIND OF PASSIONATE ABOUT IN GETTING ON THAT WAS TRYING TO GET A, GET MORE TRANSPORTATION FUNDING FOR RURAL AREAS SUCH AS DENWOOD COUNTY. AND SO THERE IS A CONSENSUS NOW AMONG THE PDC, UM, TO WANT TO TRY TO LOOK INTO THAT AND WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE FOR COUNTIES SUCH AS OURS. I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT V DIVE FUNDING IS NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE BEST FOR RURAL AREAS, AND THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY. BUT THE POINT IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, CVTA CENTRAL VIRGINIA TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY COVERS THE RICHMOND MPO AND THE, AND THE RICHMOND PDC BOUNDARIES, AND THEY HAVE A SEPARATE TAXING AUTHORITY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO PUT MONEY TOWARD TRANSPORTATION. AND SO THE IDEA NOW IS SPRINGING FORTH TO MAYBE CONSIDER DOING THAT HERE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE 10 WOODY. AND THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THAT. I DON'T WANNA BORE YOU UNLESS YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HEAR MORE ABOUT IT SOMETIME. BUT, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO, YOU KNOW, GET LEGISLATION PASSED IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE SUPPORT OF THE LOCALITIES. YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF YOUR GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO GET IT THROUGH AND GET A BILL PASSED. UM, BUT I'M, I'M KIND OF PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT. I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO CONSIDER. BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, GET Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK ON THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. AND, UH, FOR THAT MATTER, ANYBODY ELSE THAT HEARS ABOUT IT, THAT WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THAT. I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT. 'CAUSE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF A PASSION ABOUT, IS THEY GONNA GET US A TOLL BRIDGE AT, UH, AT THE, UH, OVER THE RIVER? WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET A NUCLEAR REACTOR THERE BEFORE YOU GET A TOLL BRIDGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I'LL TAKE EITHER OR NO, BUT, BUT IN, IN ESSENCE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I KNOW YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A TAD FACETIOUS, BUT REALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT IF WE WERE TO GET MORE ROAD PROJECTS OR ANY TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, ARE WE WILLING TO, ARE WE WILLING COLLECTIVELY TO TAX OURSELVES EITHER IN THE FORM OF SALES TAX, ADDITIONAL GAS TAX, RECORDATION TAX, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS AROUND THE COMMONWEALTH DO. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING, IT'S A PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION. SOME PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY BE FOR IT AND SOME PEOPLE AGAINST IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD, HEALTHY DISCUSSION. AND I'D LIKE TO REPRESENT US AS WELL AS I CAN ON THAT, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. SPRING, SO, HUH? DO WE ADJOURN? THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. WE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.