* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. , [00:00:01] WE ARE LOCKED. ALRIGHT, [1. CALL TO ORDER] THIS IS THE TIME AND THE PLACE FOR THE NOVEMBER 13TH, 2024. REGULAR PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING. I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. IF YOU WOULD, WOULD YOU RISE WITH ME TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY. ADDRESS FOR ALL. MR. GURLEY, COULD WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. CUNNINGHAM? MR. SIMMONS? HERE. MR. TUCKER? HERE. MR. HAYES? HERE. MR. LANGLEY? HERE. MR. HARBO? YEAH. AND MR. TUS HERE. SIX MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. Y'ALL HAVE [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU FOR TONIGHT. UH, MR. BASSEY, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT NEED TO COME BEFORE US TO CHANGE IN THE AGENDA? NO. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE NO CHANGES. DOES ANY COMMISSIONER HAVE A CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE? IF NOT, MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE AGENDA. I'LL SECOND IT. ROLL CALL. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. HARBO? YES. AND MR. TITUS? YES. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. ALL RIGHTY. [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] Y'ALL WERE EMAILED THE OCTOBER 9TH, 2024. REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. ANYBODY KNOW OF ANY CORRECTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE TO THOSE? I MOVE THE APPROVAL. HOLD ON, MS. CHAIR. I'M SORRY. UH, I HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS IN THE MINUTES THAT, OKAY. UM, I WANTED TO CORRECT THAT. I DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE FOR YOU THIS EVENING. SO I WOULD ASK THAT, COULD WE, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AT OUR DECEMBER MEETING? THESE SET OF MINUTES? OH, OKAY. YOU JUST WANT TO HOLD OFF TILL OUR DECEMBER MEETING TO APPROVE? YES. IF THAT'S OKAY, MR. CHAIR, IS THAT OKAY WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL DO THAT THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. NEXT IS THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. THIS IS A PERIOD WHERE ANYONE CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY YOU WANTED TO GRIPE ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I KNOW NOBODY WOULD WANT TO DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY COULD, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME THAT'S OFFERED TO YOU TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP? MR. GURLEY? MR. CHAIR, THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD [7. PUBLIC HEARING] AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING CASE P DASH 24 DASH 14 WITH TYNDALL CORPORATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. UH, THE SUBJECT CASE THAT WE'RE HEARING THIS THIS EVENING AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, P DASH 24 DASH 14. UH, THE FIRST SLIDE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING AS A REFERENCE THIS EVENING IS THE, UH, JUST OUR BASIC LOCATION MAP, UH, FOR THE REQUESTED REZONING. JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE BEFORE WE MOVE INTO MAJORITY OF OUR STAFF REPORT IS THAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING IS THE 2.15 ACRE APPROXIMATELY, UH, PARCEL OF PROPERTY, UM, FOR THE REQUESTED REZONING FROM A TWO AGRICULTURAL TO M TWO, UH, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL WITH PROFFERS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, UH, FROM TYNDALL CORPORATION'S EXISTING OPERATION. UM, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET IS OWNED, M TWO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL. AND THE NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE, UH, INDICATES THAT WE HAD A PREVIOUS, UH, REZONING CASE AND THE WAS THE SAME APPLICANT, UH, TYNDALL CORPORATION BACK IN, UH, 2005 2006. THAT WAS P DASH ZERO SIX DASH ONE, UM, WHERE THE, THAT PARCEL PROPERTY [00:05:01] THAT BASICALLY, UH, FOR THE MOST PART SURROUNDS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING. THAT PROPERTY WAS REZONED, UH, TO M TWO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL WITH PROFFERS AT THAT TIME. I WANTED TO NOTE, AS WE INDICATE IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, TWO OF THE MAIN PROFFER CONDITIONS OF THAT REZONING WERE THAT, UH, THE USES ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, THAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED AS UNDER P DASH ZERO SIX DASH ONE. UH, THE USES OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE OPEN OR COVERED STORAGE AND FINISHED CON OR FINISHED CONCRETE PRODUCTS AND VEHICLES USED BY THE OWNER AND ITS EMPLOYEES AND OR OTHERWISE USED IN CONNECTION WITH THE OWNER'S BUSINESS. UH, AND TWO, ANOTHER PROPER CONDITION WAS THE MANUFACTURER OF CONCRETE PRODUCTS AND THREE ACTIVITIES RELATING TO SUCH STORAGE AND OR MANUFACTURER. AND I WANTED TO NOTE AN ADDITIONAL PROPER CONDITION THAT WAS PLACED, UH, BACK IN 2006 WAS THAT, UH, THE CONDITIONS INCLUDED A SIX FOOT HIGH BERM ALONG THE ALDERS ROAD FRONTAGE. SO THEY WOULD BE, IF THE, IF AND WHEN THE PROPERTY'S DEVELOPED, UH, THERE WOULD BE A BERM ALL ALONG THE FRONT ROAD FRONTAGE ON ALDERS ROAD, UH, TO SCREEN THE PROPERTY, UH, FROM THE SUBJECT OPERATIONS THAT WE JUST PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED. UH, IN ADDITION TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE M TWO INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROFFERED, UH, NEW PROFFERED CONDITIONS, UH, RELATED TO THE SUBJECT, UH, LITTLE OVER TWO ACRE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING. ONE WAS TO NOT ALLOW AN AIRPORT ASPHALT MIXING PLANT OR FLEA MARKET ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. TWO, ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA WILL BE PROPERLY SCREENED, SO NOT TO BE VISIBLE, UH, FROM THE ROAD. AND, UH, EXCEPT FOR LIGHTING INSIDE THE BUILDING, UM, THE LIGHTING WOULD BE DIRECTED INWARD AND DOWNWARD TO THE SITE. UM, LOOKING AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITH THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER PORTION OF THE NORTHERN DENWITTY DEVELOPMENT AREA. AND IN THIS EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA, INDUSTRIAL USES ARE ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY NEAR ROUTE FOUR 60 AND THE EXISTING RAIL CORRIDOR. AS SUCH, THE REQUESTED M TWO ZONING, UH, WITH PROFFERED USES IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AS DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, WHEN WE WENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS ANY IMPACTS RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, THE PROPOSED REZONING TO M TWO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL WITH PROFFERS, THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, WAS DISCUSSED AND WAS CONSIDERED TO BE MINIMAL WITH THE REZONING OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WITH THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS HAVING TO BE DEVELOPED WITH FIRE PROTECTIONS AS REQUIRED BY THE APPLICABLE FIRE CODE AND BUILDING CODE. IN ADDITION, AS PART OF THE REZONING, PUBLIC UTILITIES, NAMELY NATURAL GAS, PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER AND WATER ARE ACCESSIBLE ALONG ALGERS ROAD TO SERVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND PROPERTY IN THIS GENERAL AREA. BASED ON INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT RELATED TO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS, THE REZONING REQUEST DOES NOT REQUIRE A CHAPTER 5 27 TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT. AS IN INDICATED IN THE VO PRELIMINARY REVIEW LETTER, ALDERS ROAD HAS A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION AS A MAJOR COLLECTOR, A POST AND A POSTED SPEED LIMIT OF 45 MILES PER HOUR, AND AN AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT OF 1,584 VEHICLES PER DAY. A, UH, RELATED TO, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS, THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED TO PAVE THE ENTRANCES FOR A DISTANCE OF AT LEAST 50 FEET, UM, FROM ALGERS ROAD TO, TO CONSTRUCT 150 FOOT TAPER WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AS GENERALLY SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. AND, UM, THOSE ARE THE MAIN, UH, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, [00:10:01] UH, THAT THEY HAVE PROFFERED, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. AND OF COURSE, WHEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED, ALL FUTURE TRANSPORTATION RELATED IMPROVEMENTS FOR ACCESS TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WE'LL HAVE TO MEET VDOT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS AS PART OF OUR SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS. UM, THAT IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT I DISCUSSED AND I DISCUSSED. AND YOU COULD SEE, UH, IN THE FIRST ENTRANCE THERE, YOU COULD SEE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING THAT 150 FOOT, UH, RIGHT HAND TURN TAPER INTO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THE PROFFER CONDITIONS, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THEIR REZONING REQUEST. UM, OF COURSE, PROFFER CONDITION ONE, THEY'RE TYING, UM, THEIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY TO THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT, UM, THAT YOU HAVE, UM, IN YOUR, UM, PACKET THAT ARE MADE PART OF THE PROFFERS. UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE LIMITING THE USES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO CON CONCRETE MANUFACTURING AND USES ACCESSORY TO CONCRETE MANUFACTURING, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE OPEN OR COVERED STORAGE OF FINISHED CONCRETE PRODUCTS AND VEHICLE PARKING. UH, THREE. CONDITION NUMBER THREE IS PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ANY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, ALL SITE ENTRANCES ON THE PROPERTY MUST BE PAID FOR A DISTANCE OF AT LEAST 50 FEET FROM ALGERS ROAD FOUR CONDITION FOUR. PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ANY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT MUST CONSTRUCT AN EARTH AND BERM APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET IN HEIGHT ALONG THE ENTIRE ALGERS ROAD FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SITE ENTRANCES IN AREAS PROHIBITED BY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS, OR IS OTHERWISE APPROVED AT THE TIME OF FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL. UH, CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ANY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT'S APPLICANT MUST INSTALL VEGETATIVE BUFFERING IN THE AREA SHOWN AND DESCRIBED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN AS 40 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA, WITH THE EXCEPTION, AGAIN, OF SITE ENTRANCES AND IN AREAS PROHIBITED BY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE APPROVED AT THE TIME OF FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL. VEGETATIVE BUFFERING SHALL CONSIST OF A SINGLE ROW OF EVERGREEN TREES THAT ARE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND PLANTED AT A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET. ON CENTER. LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE POSITIONED IN SUCH MANNER AS TO MINIMIZE ITS IMPACT OFFSITE AND PROFFER CONDITION. SEVEN. PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ANY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT WILL CONSTRUCT 150 FOOT TAPER LANE WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY IN THE AREA. GENERALLY SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE EXACT LOCATIONS CONFIGURATIONS, SIZE, AND DETAILS OF THE TAPER LANE SHOWED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN ARE ILLUSTRATIVE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND MAY BE UPDATED FROM TIME TO TIME AS REQUIRED FOR FINAL ENGINEERING DESIGNS, COMPLIANCE WITH GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENTAL REGULATIONS, INCLUDING NOT, BUT LIMITED TO REQUIREMENTS OF THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OR AS OTHERWISE APPROVED AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN REVIEW, UM, PLANNING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, GIVEN THAT THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION M TWO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL WITH PROFFERS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. AND ALSO THE PROPOSED USE CONFORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED IN THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER PORTION OF THE NORTHERN DENWITTY DEVELOPMENT AREA AS SET FORTH IN THE COMPREHENSIVE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. THAT'S ALL I HAVE AS PART OF OUR STAFF PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIR. I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS? THE STAFF? I HAVE NONE AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND PRESENT SOMETHING TO US AND TAKE QUESTIONS. IF YOU WOULD JUST STATE [00:15:01] YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS OF YES, OF COURSE. SO, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M MATT ROBERTS WITH THE HERSCHEL LAW FIRM ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UH, WITH AN ADDRESS OF 2100 EAST KERRY STREET IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA. UH, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US. UH, FIRST WANNA THANK STAFF FOR ALL THEIR WORK ON THE PROJECT. UH, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND HELPING US MOVE THIS ALONG. UM, WITH ME TONIGHT, OUR, OUR VARIOUS MEMBERS OF TYNDALL CORPORATION, UH, AS WELL AS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, JOHN COSBY. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ALL AVAILABLE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE. I'M GONNA SEE IF I CAN'T GET THIS RIGHT. WONDERFUL. SO JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UH, MR. BASSETT DID A WONDERFUL JOB OF WALKING YOU THROUGH THE APPLICATION, SO HOPEFULLY CAN KEEP EVERYTHING BRIEF, BUT WANTED TO START OFF BY, UH, INTRODUCING OR REINTRODUCING AS THE CASE MAY BE, UH, TYNDALL CORPORATION, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, TYNDALL HAS QUITE A LONG HISTORY IN THE CONCRETE MANUFACTURING BUSINESS. UH, THEY OPERATE FACILITIES ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, UH, AS WELL AS SUPPLYING CONCRETE PRODUCT FOR PROJECTS, UH, ACROSS THE US AS WELL. UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SURE, UH, THEY OPERATE AN EXISTING PLANT ON ALDERS ROAD RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS SITE. AND THAT'S BEEN AN OPERATION, UH, SINCE 1988. UH, TYNDALL IS A GREAT CORPORATE CITIZEN FOR THE COUNTY. UH, WE WERE CERTAINLY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT, UH, FROM STAFF AS WELL AS THE VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT I'VE TALKED TO ALONG THE WAY. SO WE CERTAINLY, UH, APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND LOOK FORWARD TO MAINTAINING THAT RELATIONSHIP. COULD YOU IN THE FUTURE SPEAK UP? WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT'S HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. IS THAT, IS THAT BETTER? WONDERFUL. YES. SO, AGAIN, MR. BASSETT, UH, ORIENTED YOU TO THE SITE, BUT JUST TO KIND OF GIVE SOME BACKGROUND, THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THAT EAST SIDE OF GER ROAD, UH, WHERE THOSE TWO, UH, STARS ARE INDICATED ON THE PRESENTATION JUST NORTH OF FOUR 60 AND THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN, UH, LINE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES, UH, ONE OF WHICH WE OWNED AT THE TIME THAT THE APPLICATION WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED, AND THE ONE THAT WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED IN THE INTERIM. SO WE HAD A CONTRACT, UH, WITH THE OWNERS AT THE TIME. UM, THEY ACTUALLY WENT AHEAD AND, AND CLOSED OUT THAT TRANSACTION BACK IN OCTOBER. AND SO WE NOW OWN THAT ENTIRE ASSEMBLAGE. UH, I WILL SAY ONE OTHER THING THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SITE IS THAT, UH, WHILE WE ARE PRIMARILY ADJACENT TO OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES, THERE ARE, UH, SOME FOLKS NORTH OF US, UH, IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DID SOME INDEPENDENT OUTREACH, UH, EARLIER IN OCTOBER, SENDING A LETTER TO ABOUT 16. UH, OF THOSE, UH, ADJACENT OWNERS ON THE NORTH HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT TO AT LEAST ONE, UH, INDIVIDUAL WHO CONTACTED US BASED ON THAT LETTER, UH, NO, NO ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED AT THAT TIME. UH, ALSO HEARD FROM THE DWIN COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY WITH A LETTER OF APPROVAL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN YOUR FILE. SO JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY, UH, THE SITE IS PRESENTLY VACANT EXCEPT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME FROM THE FAMILY, UH, THAT FROM WHICH WE BOUGHT IT FROM. UH, AND, UH, THIS IS ALSO ADJACENT, AS MR. BASSETT MENTIONED TO TY'S OTHER HOLDINGS, A ALONG ERS ROAD. UH, AND THE, AND THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF US, UH, IS PART OF THAT, UH, ASSEMBLAGE THAT THE COUNTY APPROVED WITH A PROFIT REZONING TO THE M TWO DISTRICT, UH, IN 2006. SO ULTIMATELY, UH, OUR GOAL FOR THIS PROJECT IS TO REZONE THE REMAINING TWO ACRES, UH, THAT TYNDALL NOW OWNS TO THE M TWO DISTRICT, UH, AS MR. BASSETT MENTIONED, THAT IS GONNA SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, OF A NEW CONCRETE MANUFACTURING PLANT ON THE TOTAL ASSEMBLAGE. UH, AND IT'S ALSO GONNA ALLOW PRIMARILY, UH, FOR THE BETTER ALIGNMENT OF SITE ENTRANCES WITH THAT EXISTING FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET, UH, AND ALLOW FOR SOME BETTER UTILITY CONNECTIONS OFF THE, UH, OFF OF VULGER ROAD, UH, AS WELL, UH, AT FULL BUILD OUT, WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT 200 EMPLOYEES FOR THIS FACILITY. UH, SO THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR JOBS AND TAXES FOR THE COUNTY. UH, AND AS MR. BASSETT MENTIONED, THIS IS ALSO IN LINE WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, FOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER USES. AGAIN, JUST KIND OF GETTING BACK TO TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT, 'CAUSE TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION. UH, THIS IS THE, UH, INITIAL TRAFFIC SUMMARY THAT WE, THAT WE GENERATED FOR THE PROJECT. I THINK THE, THE BIG TAKEAWAYS HERE IS THAT, UH, THE TRAFFIC ON THE SITE, UH, TO THE SITE CAN BE SUPPORTED, UH, WITH THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS ON ERS ROAD, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. UH, SO PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC, UH, IN THE AM HOURS ON WEEKDAYS, JUST FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T READ THE CHART DIRECTLY, BUT IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET, UH, IS ROUGHLY 63 TRIPS. UH, AND THEN PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS ON THE WEEKDAYS ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE 55 TRIPS. UH, I WOULD NOTE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MINIMAL TRUCK TRAFFIC DURING PEAK HOURS AS WELL. UH, WE WERE, WE ARE ANTICIPATING BASED ON THE SUMMARY, ONE TRUCK IN THE AM PEAK HOUR PERIOD AND FOUR IN THE PM PEAK HOUR PERIOD ON WEEKDAYS. UH, AND THEN WHEN YOU SWITCH TO WEEKENDS, 'CAUSE THIS WILL BE A FACILITY THAT OPERATES, UH, ON WEEKDAYS AND WEEKENDS, NO TRUCKS, UH, DURING THOSE, UH, DURING THE WEEKDAY, UH, PERIOD, BUT 19:00 AM TRIPS, UH, AND 6:00 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS. UH, [00:20:01] AS MR. BASSETT MENTIONED, WE ALSO DID A TURN LANE ANALYSIS FOUND, UH, BASED ON THE VDOT, UH, UM, APPLICATION FOR THAT. UH, THE TURN LANES ARE NOT WARRANTED, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT. UH, BUT WE HAVE PROFFERED, AGAIN, AS MR. BASSETT MENTIONED, TO CONSTRUCT THE TAPER LANES, UH, INTO THE SITE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SITE TRAFFIC. UH, AND AGAIN, WE ARE ALSO GONNA USE BEST PRACTICES TO ALIGN THOSE ENTRANCES WITH EXISTING ENTRANCES, UH, WITH THE FACILITY ACROSS GER ROAD. MR. BASSETT ALSO SHOWED YOU, AND IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET, UH, THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO POINT OUT. THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. UH, WE HAVE TRIED TO, UH, ON THIS DOCUMENT IN THE HATCHING THERE, IN THE SORT OF UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, UH, SHOW YOU WHERE TONIGHT'S REZONING IS FOCUSED. BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW IT ULTIMATELY SUPPORTS THE BUILD OUT OF THE SITE SHIFTS, UH, THE BUILDING DOWN FURTHER AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL, UH, NORTH OF US ON ALDRIDGE ROAD, UH, AND ALSO ALIGNS THOSE ENTRANCES. SO CONTI, UH, TYNDALL WILL ULTIMATELY CONSTRUCT THAT BUILDING THE PARKING STORAGE AREAS AND SUPPORTING USES, UH, AS WELL AS NEW STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, ON SITE. UH, AND AGAIN, I THINK IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THE PROFFERS DO LIMIT THE SITE USES TO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE PLAN HERE, CONCRETE MANUFACTURING, UH, AND THEN THE ACCESSORY USES, UH, SUCH AS THAT STORAGE AREA, UH, AND PARKING AS WELL. SO WHAT YOU SEE IS, IS WHAT YOU GET. UH, AND THEN JUST TO TALK VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT SOME OF THE PRIMARY BENEFITS THAT WE SEE WITH THIS REZONING. UH, THERE REALLY ARE MULTIPLE BENEFITS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE THINK WILL BE GENERATED, UH, FROM THIS REZONING AND THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT OF THE SITE. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU KNOW, THE NEW FACILITY GENERATES JOBS, UH, AND IT GENERATES NEW COMMERCIAL TAXES FOR THE COUNTY. THAT IS AN OFFSET FOR WHAT THE RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE. UH, AND IT'S ULTIMATELY A PLUS FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL. UH, YOU'LL ALSO GET DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS VISION FOR THIS AREA. UH, AND SO DEVELOPING THAT INDUSTRIAL USE, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY CALLED FOR IN THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA, UH, AND THEN THE COUNTY CAN RELY ON A HOLISTIC SET OF PROFFERS, UH, ULTIMATELY FOR THAT SITE DEVELOPMENT AS, AS A CONCRETE MANUFACTURING PLANT IN THE FUTURE. AND TANGENTIAL TO ALL THAT, I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT THERE ARE SOME ANTICIPATED, UH, ELECTRICAL UPGRADES WITH DVP IN THE AREA. AND THAT'LL SUPPORT NOT JUST THIS SITE, UH, BUT OTHER, OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES AND OTHER SITES IN THE VICINITY OF US AS WELL. SO THAT COMES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE. AND SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. WE ARE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT ONE. YES, SIR. UH, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE MA AS YOU SAY, MANUFACTURING CONCRETE PRODUCTS ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD. WILL IT HAVE A SEPARATE CONCRETE PLAN OR WILL YOU BE BRINGING CONCRETE BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE ROAD, OR NOT AT ALL SEPARATE SO THE, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING BRINGING IN CONCRETE BACK AND FORTH. VERY RARELY. IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PLANT THAT'D BE OVER THERE. OKAY. I JUST, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLANT AND YOU JUST SEE THE BUILDING, I KIND OF THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE PUT THE CONCRETE PLANT AS A LITTLE SQUARE. WHATEVER IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE PLANT WOULD BE SEPARATED. WE WOULD NOT RUN CONCRETE TRUCKS BACK AND FORTH. OKAY. SO INDEPENDENT FACILITIES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS, WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER AT HAND. THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT TIME IS PROVIDED FOR YOU TO HAVE YOUR VIEWS HEARD. YOUR COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME MUST BE DIRECTED AND CONFINED TO THE MATTER IN WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN OTHER WORDS, THE TYNDALL REZONING, YOU'RE ASKED TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WITH DECORUM, LOUD, DISRUPTIVE, AND AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHALL BE AVOIDED. IF ANY OF THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE GONNA BE NICE TO YOU. PLEASE BE NICE TO US. WE, WE, UH, ALSO AVOID WORDS OR ACTS TENDING TO EVOKE VIOLENCE OR DEEM TO BE A BREACH OF PEACE. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS TIME IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD OR A TIME FOR DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. SO FROM TIME TO TIME, Y'ALL MAY HAVE QUESTIONS AND DIRECT QUESTIONS AT US, BUT AT THAT TIME, WE ARE NOT GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE'RE BEING RUDE TO YOU. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS FOR. IT'S FOR YOU TO COME UP, SPEAK, STAY YOUR PEACE, AND THEN IF WE HAVE A QUESTION ON YOUR QUESTION, WE WILL RESPOND TO THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES. SO IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP? MR. LARRY COLE, IF YOU WOULD, WHEN YOU APPROACH THE STAND, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. LARRY COLE, 5 0 1 6 OLDS ROAD. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC. WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE NOW IS IT'S A LOT OF CARS, [00:25:01] TRACTOR TRAILERS, DUMP TRUCKS, AND ALL ALREADY THERE. IF YOU ADD MORE, IT'S JUST MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY'S GONNA GO. UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT ADDING TWO MORE DRIVEWAYS WITH THIS ADDITION, IF THEY ADD ONTO IT, IT'S DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HOMES THAT'S THERE. HOW THESE PEOPLE, MYSELF AND EVERYBODY ELSE GETTING IN AND OUTTA THE HOMES WITH THE TRAFFIC FROM TINDLE BACK AND FORTH AND ALL THAT. WE HAVE SEVERAL ISSUES. TRASH, DUST, NOISE. WE HAVE NOISE 24 HOURS A DAY, SOMETIMES SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SLEEP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LAND VALUE. WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS THAT PLAYS A ROLE IN ALL THIS? YOU KNOW, I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD GO THROUGH. IT MAY, I DON'T THINK IT GOES, SHOULD GO THROUGH THE SIX FOOT BEARING. IT'S SIX FOOT, IT'S THIS TALL, THE TRACTOR TRAIL IS TALLER THAN THAT. ALL THE CONCRETE THEY'RE GONNA STACK UP RIGHT THERE IS TALLER THAN THAT. SO EVERY TIME YOU WALK AT YOUR FRONT DOOR, YOU CAN SEE TRACTOR TRAILERS AND CONCRETE ALONG WITH THE DUST COMING ACROSS THE HILL. SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IT. I'M, I'M NOT PLEASED WITH IT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT. AND I THINK PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM DON'T WANT TO SEE IT. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. THANK YOU SIR. BERNARD HAYES. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY SPEAKING IS IN THE FORM OF WHAT MR. COLE HAS ALREADY. ADDRESS, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. JUST, OH, I'M SORRY. BEMAN HAYES, 50 10 RIDGES ROAD. THANK YOU, SIR. CONTINUE. AND, UH, MY SPEAKING IS IN THE FORM OF, UH, HOW TALL IS THAT BUFFER WALL, LIKE YOU SAY, IS ONLY SIX FEET. THAT'S NOT TALL ENOUGH FOR THE, FOR THE DUMP TRUCKS AND ALL THAT TO GO IN AND OUT. NOISE AND THE DUST. I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FROM THAT LOT AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE DUST THAT'S GONNA CREATE. AND ALSO THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY MAY BE DECREASING. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU SIR. GLADYS WALKER , YOU DIDN'T PUT A CASE NUMBER. WAS THIS THE CASE YOU WANTED TO TALK TO MS. WALKER? IT WAS. WE TALKED PRIOR TO. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GLADYS WALKER. I LIVE ON RIDGE ROAD. I'VE BEEN THERE ALL MY LIFE. UH, I'M NOT FOR IT TO COME ON OUR SIDE, ON MY SIDE 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE NEXT TO ME. LIKE THEY SAID, THE DUST AND ALL OF THAT, UH, IS A LOT OF SENIORS THAT LIVE ON THAT ROAD THAT HAS PROBLEMS WITH BREATHING. AND FOR MYSELF, I HAVE BREATHING PROBLEMS. I HAVE LUPUS AND I'VE HAD HEART PROBLEMS. SO BY ME BEING OUT THERE WITH DUST, ALL OF THAT INTERFERE WITH MY MEDICAL PROBLEMS. AND I HAVE A NEPHEW THAT HE HAS, UM, PROBLEMS BREATHING AND HIS FLIGHT IS RIGHT NEXT TO MASS. SO I THINK FOR IT TO BE THERE, AS THEY KNOW, I DON'T GO WITH IT AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THERE. AND THE NOISE ALREADY, LIKE THEY SAID, YOU CAN HEAR WHEN THE CEMENT, I GUESS FALL DOWN, WHATEVER THEY DO OVER THERE, YOU CAN HEAR THE CLICKING OF THE NOISE AND STUFF. AND SOMETIMES YOU BE ASLEEP AND IT'LL WAKE YOU UP. SO I SAY NO ON MY PART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE? YES, SIR. GENTLEMEN ON THIS SIDE FIRST, [00:30:01] PLEASE, UH, COME ON UP. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS WILLIAM BROWN OUT OF AT 5,001 ORANGE ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO THE TENDER PROPERTY. AND I DISAGREE SOLELY ON THE COUNTER. I HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH MR, WITH THE TENDER CORPORATION. MY DAUGHTER. ANGEL, COME UP PLEASE. I, I'M BLIND. I COULDN'T SEE ANY OF THE OKAY. PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD GIVE. THIS IS MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER. HELLO. CAN YOU BRING THE PAPER FOR ME? MY NAME IS ANGELA BROWN CONKLIN. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE MY DAD HAS HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS, UM, WITH THAT PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN REZONED. I THINK IT WAS P ZERO SIX DASH ONE OR SOMETHING ON THE MAP. RIGHT. UM, THERE WAS DAMAGE DONE TO HIS PROPERTY, THE VEGETATION, AND ALSO JUST LIVING IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR, WHAT EVERYONE ELSE SAYS. SIX FEET IS NOT MUCH OF A BUFFER AREA. AND, UM, HIS PROPERTY IS LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR. I MEAN A MATTER OF FEET FROM WHERE THEY INTEND TO BUILD THIS PROPERTY. HE DOES HAVE HEALTH ISSUES. UM, IT'S JUST NOT CONDUCIVE. I IMAGINE THE LAND WILL BE LEFT TO US AS HIS CHILDREN. I WOULD NOT WANT TO LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A CONCRETE PLANT OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL PLANT. AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND I KNOW THE COUNTY WANTS TO GROW AND EXPAND AND THAT'S COMMENDABLE AND WE NEED THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE AT THE COST OF, UM, CITIZENS WHO HAVE LIVED THERE ALL OF THEIR LIFE. THERE ARE LOTS OF UNDEVELOPED PLACES WHERE IT COULD PERHAPS GO. AND I DO KNOW THAT THE LAND HAS ALREADY BEEN PURCHASED AND ZONED, BUT IT IS VERY SAD TO SEE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE THAT I GREW UP WITH, ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE ROAD THAT I KNOW, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY? YEAH. AND THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY AT 5,000 ON AUDREY ROAD, I MOVED THERE IN 1948. I'VE BEEN THERE LONGER THAN JUST ABOUT ANYBODY THAT CAN SPEAK HERE. AND WHEN TINDER WAS THERE, I WENT TO TINDER SEVERAL TIMES TO DISCUSS DAMAGE ON MY PROPERTY. WHEN I CALLED THE EPA, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THREE OAK TREES THAT WAS IN MY YARD THAT WAS KENT TILT BY THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, WAS TENDERING THE PROPERTY AT TINDER. WHEN I WENT THERE, THEY GAVE ME NO ASSISTANCE. THEY DIDN'T ANYTHING. EPA GAVE ME THE PICTURES OF THE DAMAGE AND THEY SENT THE MAN THERE THAT, UM, FOUND THE POISONING TO THE TREES AND TO MY PROPERTY. THEY HAVE NEVER BENEFITED ME IN ANY WAY. THE NOISE, YOU CAN HEAR 'EM WHEN THEY CUT THEIR BIG BANDS ON THE CONCRETE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, UM, THE TRAFFIC NOISE, YOU CAN HEAR THEM BIG TRUCKS. IT, IT JUST HAD NEVER BENEFITED ME. AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS IS BECAUSE SHE'S NOT HERE AND I COULDN'T REACH THEM. MS. AUDREY LIVED ACROSS THE ROAD IN FRONT OF, THEY TOLD GIN HOUSE DOWN THERE. SHE HAD TO MOVE BECAUSE OF THE DUST. SHE MOVED UP ON FOUR 60, BOBBY GIN AND THEM, IT, IT JUST NEVER BENEFITED ANYBODY ON THAT ROAD FOR THEM TO BE THERE. AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE ANOTHER BIG PLANT THERE WITH THE NOISE AND THE TRAFFIC. I JUST DISAGREE. I CAN'T, I CAN'T ABIDE TO IT AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. YES MA'AM. I BELIEVE YOU WERE NEXT. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I'M RILEY VAUGHN. MY ADDRESS IS 48 60 ERS ROAD. UM, I DO AGREE WITH MY NEIGHBORS, DEFINITELY. UM, THEY HAVE PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE THOUGHT. UM, BUT I WILL SAY, UM, MYSELF AND MY SPOUSE MOVED FROM COLONIAL HEIGHTS TO DENWOODY IN 2013, YOU KNOW, TO GET AWAY FROM THE NOISE, THE TRAFFIC, THE NEIGHBORS. UM, WE ARE OFF THE ROAD, BUT WE, UM, HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY AND EVERY MORNING WE COME OUT, WE DEAL WITH THE BIG TRUCKS, THE RAILROAD TRACK, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, UM, PROVIDES AN INCONVENIENCE EVERY MORNING. UM, SO I JUST THINK THE, THE [00:35:01] INCREASE IN THE HEAVY TRUCKS, UM, WILL NOT BE GOOD. UM, I, I HAVE A JOB TO GET TO. I HAVE A CHILD TO TAKE TO SCHOOL, SO IT'S KIND OF AN INCONVENIENCE AS IT IS. UM, THE TRASH, THE DUST, THE NOISE FROM TYNDALL AS IT IS ALREADY, UM, THE CONSTANT BEEPING, WHICH I'M SURE Y'ALL HEAR , UM, AND THE TRUCKS WILL ACTUALLY JUST PULL OUT, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF US IN THE MORNINGS. UM, SO I JUST ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD GET WORSE WITH THIS, UM, EXPANSION. SO I JUST WANNA SAY I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS WHATSOEVER. UM, I WOULD BE VERY UNHAPPY IF THIS WENT THROUGH. UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CAUSE US TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WANNA MOVE, MOVE BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD JUST BE A HUGE INCONVENIENCE, I THINK. UM, WHICH IS, IS UPSETTING BECAUSE WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE SCHOOLS. YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE STARTED WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL THIS YEAR. WE'RE HAPPY, EVERYTHING'S GOOD. UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD CHOICE. I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE REVENUE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD GET, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MACHINERY AND TOOLS, BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY, I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT. UM, BUT HOPEFULLY THE RESIDENTS WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION A LITTLE BIT WITH, WITH THIS. SO, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING. THANK YOU. UM, KIND OF NERVE WRACKING TALKING IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF, IF THE RESIDENTS KIND OF COME TOGETHER, IT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. UM, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I SAW NO OTHER HANDS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, UH, YOU THEN, YOU SIR AF AFTER HER, IF YOU ARE RIGHT WITH THAT. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I'M TAMMY COLE. MY ADDRESS IS 50 16 ERS ROAD. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS EXPANSION. UM, ALREADY WE HAVE PROBLEMS. OUR DRIVEWAY RUNS ALONGSIDE THE OTHER, THE OTHER PART OF TYLE THAT'S AL THAT THEY'RE ALREADY USING. AND THE TRASH THAT'S OUT THERE IS RIDICULOUS. THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A FENCE, BUT THE FENCE DOES NOT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND. TRASH IS CONSTANTLY BLOWING OVER THERE. IT'S AWFUL. WE HAVE, WE'VE GONE OVER TO TYLE SEVERAL TIMES AND ASKED THEM, SEND SOMEBODY OVER HERE TO PICK UP THIS TRASH. IT'S HARD TO SEE RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE A LOT OF IT'S COVERED WITH LEAVES, BUT ALL THROUGH THERE, THAT WHOLE, ALL THROUGH THAT, OUR WHOLE DRIVEWAY IS JUST COVERED IN TRASH AND IT'S ALL THEIR TRASH BLOWING OVER THAT FENCE OR BLOWING UNDER THAT FENCE. SO IF THEY COME OVER IN FRONT NOW, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THAT TRASH. STILL THE SAME BLOWING ALL OVER THE FRONT OF AL'S ROAD. EVERYBODY COMING DOWN THE ROAD IS BAD ENOUGH THAT THEY GO DOWN THAT ROAD TO GET TO THE DUMP. BUT NOW YOU'LL HAVE ALL THAT OTHER TRASH BLOWING OVER FROM THE NEW PLANT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THAT DUST. Y'ALL JUST CANNOT IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF DUST THAT THE PLANT GENERATES. UM, IT'S BAD FOR PEOPLE. THE BREATHING, IT'S, IT IS, IS JUST TERRIBLE. NOT TO MENTION THE NOISE, IT'S REALLY BAD. IN THE SUMMERTIME YOU'LL HEAR BEEP, BEEP BEEP, LIKE AN ALARM CLOCK GOING OFF. AND AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WHERE THE TRUCKS ARE BACK THERE BACKING UP AND PULLING FORWARD AND DOING WHAT ARE, WHAT ALL THEY DO, YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT. SO THEN IF YOU EXPAND THE CORPORATION, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT MUCH MORE NOISE AND ALL THAT GOING ON. AND NOW AND THEN THEY WANT TO MAKE A, UM, A TURNING LANE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. I'M NOT SURE, LIKE A TURNING LANE ON THE OTHER SIDE. LIKE THEY HAVE THE TURN IN ON THE, WELL, IN THE MORNING TIMES, THERE'S TRACTOR TRAILERS PARKED IN THOSE TURNING LANES. SO NOW YOU'LL HAVE, AND THEY'RE LIKE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD, UM, PARKED IN THE TURNING LANE. SO NOW YOU'LL HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS PARKED ON BOTH SIDE OF THE ROADS IN THE MORNING. I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD THING. AND THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE TERRIBLE. THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY HEAVY ON RIDGES ROAD. I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU GUYS TRAVEL DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT IT'S VERY HEAVY TRAFFIC DOWN THAT ROAD. A LOT OF SCHOOL BUSES AND ALL KIND OF STUFF GOING DOWN THAT ROAD. SO I THINK THAT WOULD CAUSE A HAZARD WITH THE BIG TRUCKS, THE SCHOOL BUSES, KIDS GETTING ON AND OFF THE SCHOOL BUS. IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD THING. [00:40:01] AND THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. HOW Y'ALL DOING? KEVIN WALKER? 51 10 S ROAD. UH, MY CONCERN IS MORE OF THE, NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC IS A LOT OF THE, UH, CONCERNS CITIZENS IN HERE SPOKE OF THE DUST, THE CONSTANT NOISE, BUT EVEN THE ROCKS THAT COME OFF OF THE CONCRETE IN THE TRUCKS, RIGHT? UH, PEOPLE'S CARS. I KNOW NUMEROUS OF WINDSHIELDS THAT PROBABLY HAVE BEEN REPLACED. I BELIEVE I HAVE EVEN REPLACED ONE AT POINTS AND I NEVER SEE A DUSTER LIKE THEY DO DOWN THERE OFF OF, UH, THE ROCK CURRY 2 26, 2 26. I NEVER SEE ANYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH CLEANS UP THE ROAD, RIGHT? THE, THE TRUCKS ARE CONSTANTLY PARKED THERE IN THE MORNING. IT, IT IS, IT IS A REAL DANGEROUS SITUATION, ESPECIALLY THROUGHOUT THAT CURB. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE AND I'M REALLY CURIOUS, ARE THEY PLANNING TO OPERATE TWO PLANTS AT THE SAME TIME? I'M NOT. I DIDN'T, I MAY EITHER MISS THAT OR MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEIR OBJECTIVE OR GOAL IS. UM, AND I'M ALL FOR A, A BUSINESS GROWING. UM, BUT I'M JUST NOT DEFINITELY FOR THEM TAKING UP THAT WHOLE SPACE AND JUST, UH, SUCH OF A BIGGER INFLUX OF TRUCKS AND TRAFFIC AND CARS AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN TURNING UP THE RAILROAD TRACKS. I KNOW THE RAILROAD TRACKS GET TEAR UP YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND IT IS STILL WEAR AND TEAR ON INDIVIDUALS, CARS THAT COME IN AND OUT. UH, AND THEN JUST THE VALUE OF PROPERTY, UH, PEOPLE LIVING, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE AREA, ET CETERA. SO IT'S, IT, IT DEFINITELY WILL BE MORE OF A INFLUX OF TRAFFIC, UH, AND OTHER PROBLEMS THAT GO ALONG WITH THOSE TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE AND ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANKS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE SEEING NO ONE? I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION. I WILL GIVE TYNDALL THE OPPORTUNITY IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE PUBLIC'S CONCERN. YES, SIR. SO AGAIN, UH, MATT ROBERTS WITH HERSCH FOR THE APPLICANT. SO WE APPRECIATE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS AND CONCERNS FROM THE CITIZENS. AS WE SAID, WE DID TRY TO DO SOME INITIAL OUTREACH TO RECEIVE SOME OF THESE COMMENTS EARLIER. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, TO THAT END DID HEAR FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT. UH, BUT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY TO DISTINGUISH WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT FROM WHAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS MAY BE. AT A BROADER LEVEL, THE LARGER ASSEMBLAGE, THE ROUGHLY 36 ADDITIONAL ACRES IS ALREADY ZONED FOR THIS EXACT USE. IT CAN GO FORWARD. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONING TONIGHT IS TO COMPLETE SORT OF THAT BLOCK AND ACTUALLY MOVE THE BUILDINGS FURTHER AWAY AND FURTHER DOWN RIDGE ROAD AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL. SO IN, IN A LOT OF SENSES, THIS REZONING TONIGHT IS AN IMPROVEMENT UPON THE PRIOR PLAN, BUT IT WOULD NOT PREVENT THE PRIOR PLAN FROM GOING FORWARD IF IT WERE NOT APPROVED. UM, AND WHAT YOU GET WITH THE CURRENT PLAN IS A BETTER ALIGNMENT OF THOSE ENTRANCES. SO ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, UH, IT ALSO, LIKE I SAID, ALLOWS YOU TO MOVE THAT BUILDING FURTHER DOWN. UM, IN TERMS OF DUST AND NOISE AND, AND THE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LARGELY ON THIS END OF UL ROAD AND INDUSTRIAL AREA. THERE IS VULCAN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. UH, THERE IS THE EXISTING TYLE PLANT THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1988 AS WELL. UH, AND SO I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE MANUFACTURING ASPECT OF THIS OCCURS COMPLETELY AND WITHIN THE CONTAINMENT PART OF THE BUILDING. UH, SO IT'S NOT DUST AND NOISE HAPPENING ON THE EXTERIOR. I THINK THE DUST AND NOISE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, UH, MENTIONED THIS EVENING IS COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC OUT THERE, UH, ENTERING AND EXITING, UH, THE PARKING. BUT JUST TO POINT OUT, IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURING DUST. IT IS NOT CONCRETE DUST, UH, THAT IS GETTING OUT THERE. UH, AND THEN LASTLY, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC, WE DID DO THAT ANALYSIS BASED ON VERY ACCEPTED STANDARDS FOR HOW YOU GO ABOUT FIGURING OUT WITH ALL THE BACKGROUND TRAFFIC ON RIDGES ROAD THAT'S THERE TODAY, PROJECTED TRAFFIC IN THE FUTURE. AND THIS SITE, UH, IN ALRIDGE ROAD BY, BY EVERY MEASURE DOES HAVE THAT CAPACITY. SO, UH, WE CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. UH, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS TONIGHT FROM THE PRIOR APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2006. TH THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT UPON THAT, UH, AND ULTIMATELY, UH, A BENEFIT FOR THE COUNTY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. I JUST, I HAD A QUESTION FOR THAT. UH, OH, EXCUSE ME, SIR. HE, WE GOT ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK. YEAH, I'M SORRY. UM, SO I THINK YOU MAKE A LOT OF GOOD POINTS THERE, BUT I HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AROUND SOME OF THE CURRENT OPERATIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HAD ANYTHING YOU COULD SAY TO THAT. UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY ASK, UH, IF ANY, IF ANYBODY HAD ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, [00:45:01] BUT, UH, I WOULD POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAD ANY ZONING VIOLATIONS, SIMILAR VIOLATIONS, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE COUNTY, FROM THE STATE, OR ANYBODY ELSE ON, ON ANY OF THE ISSUES RAISED THIS EVENING. UH, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, FOLKS FROM TYNDALL ARE HERE TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, IF THERE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE POINTS OF CONTACT THAT NEED TO BE MADE WITH CITIZENS, UH, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. UH, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO, UH, VIOLATIONS EVER ISSUED. SO TO OUR, YOU KNOW, KNOWLEDGE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS HASN'T RISEN TO A LEVEL, UH, THAT THE COUNTY FELT WAS, WAS APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR FURTHER ACTION. SO TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REBUTTAL OR, UH, NOISE AND TRAFFIC, OR NOT TRAFFIC, BUT NOISE AND DUST AND, YOU KNOW, TREES BEING . NO, NO COMMENTS AT ALL, MAN. WELL, CERTAINLY NOISE AND NOISE AND SUCH ARE, ARE A NATURAL CONSEQUENCE OF DEVELOPMENT. UH, I MEAN, IT IS, IT SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISING THAT THERE ARE, UH, THAT THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF NOISE GENERATED FOR MANUFACTURING, UH, OPERATIONS. THIS IS A PLACE THAT THE COUNTY HAS TARGETED FOR THESE SPECIFIC KINDS OF USES. UH, AND AGAIN, THAT DUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY NOT DISCOUNTING THE IDEA, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FACT THAT IT, THAT THEY MAY BE EXPERIENCING DUST. I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IT IS JUST NOT COMING FROM THE MANUFACTURING ASPECT OF THE OPERATION. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER INDUSTRIAL USE WHEN HERE IS GOING TO GENERATE SOME LEVEL OF NOISE, DUST, AND THE LIKE. UH, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE THE COUNTY HAS, HAS TRIED TO TARGET SOME OF THOSE THINGS. UH, I CANNOT SPEAK TO UH, THE, THE TREE ISSUE, BUT AGAIN, WE CERTAINLY HAVE MEMBERS FROM TYNDALL HERE TONIGHT WHO ARE UH, CAN, CAN CERTAINLY BE POINTS OF CONTACT FOR ISSUES AS THESE THINGS COME UP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF MISUNDERSTANDING, MAYBE THERE'S NOT. UH, TONIGHT ALL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REZONING IS WHERE THAT HOUSE, THE ALL JUST HOUSE SET, IT'S ONLY 2.1 ACRES. SO AS THE APPLICANT SO ELOQUENTLY STATED, THEY CAN CONTINUE WITHOUT OUR DOING ANYTHING TONIGHT WITH THE PROJECT THAT'S AT HAND. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IN THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT GOOD IN THIS PICTURE, BUT UP AT THE FRONT END OF THAT RED BUILDING THAT ON THERE IS THE ONLY SPOT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW, I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU STILL ARE, DON'T WANT IT, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT WOULD MOVE THE BUILDING FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU IF THAT TWO ACRES IS ZONED SO THAT THE BUILDING'S NOT BACK FURTHER. HE SET ALL THESE POINTS AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A CASE FOR HIM. I'M JUST, SOMETIMES PEOPLE COME AND IF THERE'S A PREVIOUS ZONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY THINK THAT IF WE MOVE ON THE SMALLER PIECE THAT ADDS TO IT, THAT IT WOULD STOP EVERYTHING AND IT WON'T STOP EVERYTHING. IT ONLY AFFECTS THAT LITTLE TWO POINT, I THINK IT'S 2.14 ACRES WHERE THE HOUSE THAT THE WELLS IS LIVED IN AND THE SHED BEHIND IT AND ALL THAT, THAT THEY'VE APPARENTLY KNOCKED DOWN. IT'S ONLY THAT, THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. ALRIGHT, YOU'VE HEARD THE CASE. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS? I, I'M, I APOLOGIZE AT THIS TIME, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD HAS BEEN CLOSED. NOW I, I APOLOGIZE AGAIN, BUT WE ARE NOT THE FINAL SAY IN THIS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS THE FINAL SAY. SO SIR, YOU WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD ON THE NIGHT THAT IT HA WHICH IS GONNA BE IN DECEMBER, UH, AT THEIR BOARD MEETING TO EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS AND COMMENTS AT THAT TIME. YES, SIR. SO, UM, I WAS HERE IN 2006 AND HONESTLY I DON'T REMEMBER THIS CASE. UH, DETAILS, I REMEMBER THE CASE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHO CAME, WHO SAID WHAT OR HOW I EVEN VOTED. BUT I THINK YOU MAKE A, UH, A VERY, UH, KEY POINT THERE THAT THE APPLICANT ALSO MADE IS THAT, UM, IT, IT DOES CONCERN ME. A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T LIKE WHAT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT KENDALL. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT. UM, AND I DO THINK THAT AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT UM, IT, IT, IT, THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THIS, UH, AND THE BUILDING AND THE ENTRANCE WOULD ACTUALLY BE CLOSER TO YOU ALL AND THE ENTRANCE NOT BEING LINED UP WOULD ACTUALLY BE MUCH UNSAFE. MUCH MORE UNSAFE. UM, SO THAT, THAT WEIGHS A LOT TO ME. THE FACT THAT, AND I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT WHO'S THERE FIRST AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS THERE SINCE 1948, I GIVE YOU CREDIT [00:50:01] FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU BEAT EVERYBODY. UM, YOU WERE THERE FOR 40 YEARS BEFORE THEY EVER SHOWED UP AND I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THAT. BUT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS NOW RUNNING AND, UM, IT ISN'T AN AREA. UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT UP UNTIL I WAS, UH, LOOKING AT THE MAP A WEEK AGO THAT JUST HOW CLOSE IT IS TO, TO THE ROCK QUARRY. AND WE RECENTLY EXPANDED, UH, THE COUNTY HAS, UH, RECENTLY APPROVED A REZONING THERE THAT ALLOWED FOR EXPANSION OF THAT. SO I WONDER IF A LOT OF DUST ISN'T COMING FROM THERE. I DON'T KNOW, JUST SPECULATIVE. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, LONG TERM I'M, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY LOOKS TO ME FOR TRAFFIC, BUT LONG TERM, I REALLY THINK GETTING OUT ACROSS THE RAILROAD AND GETTING OUT TO RIVER ROAD NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND WE, WE DID THAT IN OUR COMP PLAN UPDATE, UH, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY WE ADDRESSED THAT. AND I THINK LONG TERM THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT I THINK THE, THE, THE OVERWHELMING ISSUE TO ME IS THAT, UH, UH, IT'S BEEN THERE A WHILE. WE REZONED IT IN OH SIX THOUGH I PERSONALLY CANNOT REMEMBER THAT. UM, BUT UH, IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE IF WE DID NOT APPROVE IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? RECOMMEND APPROVAL, I SHOULD SAY? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR FOR TODO. ALRIGHT, GOT A QUESTION FOR Y'ALL. GO AHEAD. UM, I WAS, UH, ON THE, ON THE VEHICLE, DID A LOT OF HAULING THE TENDER CORPORATION. UM, WHEN I WENT ON SITE, I SOMETIMES MET A WATER TRUCK AND THAT TRUCK WAS THE ONE THAT WAS SPRINKLING THE, THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE MOST PART. AND THAT'S ALL THAT I COULD, UM, ENCOUNTER WAS THE DRIVEWAY. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE EXCESSIVE DUST THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SPEAKING OF, BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS, IF THERE IS EXCESSIVE DUST AND IF TYNDALL IS, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT'S AROUND THERE, I MEAN, IS THERE OTHER EFFORTS THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD EXPLORE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE ABOUT EXCESSIVE DUST OTHER THAN THE DUST THAT'S ON THE DRIVEWAY THAT I WAS EXPERIENCING? UM, AND THE OTHER ONE, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE THERE. YEAH, THAT YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IS TRAFFIC. I MEAN, THE RESIDENTS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM KINDLE, BUT FROM THERE TO THE, TO THE RAILROAD IN FOUR 60, THERE IS A BACKUP THERE BECAUSE OF THE TRAIN AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF TYNDALL HAS BEEN AWAY AT THAT. IT IS BEEN ANNOYING TO THE, TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT IT, IT, IT TAKES EVERYBODY TO, TO WORK TOGETHER. SO I MEAN IF, IF TINDER COULD CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE MAYBE NOT LET THE TRUCKS LIKE THE BIG TRUCKS GO OUT, UH, LIKE AT PEAK TIMES, LIKE IN THE MORNING WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK OR COMING FROM WORK, I MEAN IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK OUT WITH THE RESIDENTS AND EVERYBODY WILL BE GIVING, TAKING SOMETHING MAYBE WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF, I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO ANY OF THAT, I UNDERSTAND. SURE. SO I MEAN, I THINK WHAT OUR THING IS, IS WE WOULD ALWAYS HOPE FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM THAT EVERYBODY COULD BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO ONE ANOTHER. I'M NOT THERE. I MEAN, I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS UP UNTIL TONIGHT, BUT I DIDN'T EXPECT TO HEAR ANY BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE ON THAT ROAD. SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THESE FOLKS ARE COMING FROM. UH, AND TYNDALL AS A COMPANY HAS BEEN VERY GOOD TO DEN WITTY IN THE PAST. NOW I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND I PRAY THAT AT SOME POINT THAT MAYBE Y'ALL WILL REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND MAYBE HAVE SOME TIME TO SPEAK WITH THEM AND ADDRESS THEIR ISSUES. I APPRECIATE IT. SURE, NO, OF COURSE. AND YOU KNOW, UH, AGAIN, WE DID, UH, A HIGHER LEVEL OF OUTREACH THAN THAT NOTICE WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE. WE, WE'VE MADE THAT PROACTIVE EFFORT, UH, IN TERMS OF DUST SOLUTIONS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, CAN CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO EXPLORE IN TERMS OF HOW THE, THE LOT IS LAID OUT. CERTAINLY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, MAKE A PROMISE TONIGHT. IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT, UH, BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOME TECHNICAL DETAILS THAT YOU START TO GET INTO AT THE SITE PLANNING STAGE AS OPPOSED TO THE REZONING STAGE. UH, BUT I THINK WE HEAR FOLKS LOUD AND CLEAR ON THAT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, UH, EXPLORE A LITTLE BIT AND, AND THINK ABOUT UH, HOW WE DO THAT TO THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, UH, ISSUE. I JUST POINT OUT AGAIN, OUR ESTIMATES BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE ITE STANDARDS, SORT OF THE GOLD STANDARD FOR THAT. VERY MINIMAL TRUCK TRAFFIC AT THOSE PEAK HOURS. ONE TRUCK IN THE AM ON THE WEEKDAYS. [00:55:01] FOUR IN THE PM UH, ON THE WEEKDAYS. NONE ON THE WEEKENDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT FELLAS, I THINK WE'VE HEARD ABOUT EVERYTHING WE'RE GOING TO HEAR BEFORE WE GET REDUNDANT. SO WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL READ IT. BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN THE ORDER TO ASSU COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 2286 A SEVEN, IT STATES THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE IN WHICH THE RESOLUTION IS INITIATED TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT THE ZONING, THE REZONING OF P DASH 24 DASH 14 BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MOTION'S BEEN CHAIR BEFORE YOU VOTE. UM, WOULD THAT BE APPROVAL WITH PROFFERS? I'M SORRY MR. LAN LOOK THE PROFFERS, THIS STATE, OKAY. YES. MOTION'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE, SECONDED. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. HAYES? YES. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. HARVILLE? NO. AND MR. TUSS? YES. FIVE MEMBERS VOTING? YES. ONE MEMBER VOTING NO. P DASH 24 DASH 14 HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH PROPERTIES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING. I HOPE Y'ALL WILL SHOW UP AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEET. AND YOU HAVE A PROJECTED DATE FOR THAT? YES. WHAT IS THE DATE? BY 19TH, THAT WOULD BE THE DECEMBER 11TH MEETING. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. TAKE THAT BACK. DECEMBER 17TH IS THE BOARD MEETING AT 7:00 PM OBJECT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT IS CORRECT. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CASE P DASH 24 DASH 11. AND MR. GURLEY, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, BUT I'M HAVING TO RELOAD THIS ONE IN FRONT OF ME A LOT, A LOT. , I'VE HAD TO DO THIS ONE TWICE. I'M GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, THE NEXT UH, CASE THAT YOU INDICATED WAS IS P DASH 24 DASH 11. THE APPLICANT IS SUNNY DAY'S DEVELOPMENT AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT LLC AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE THIS EVENING. CARL JOHNSON. AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERLY HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN THERE. UH, FOR YOUR LOCATION MAP, UH, THE REQUESTED REZONING IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE TO INDUSTRIAL LIMITED M1 WITH PROFFERS. UM, JUST LIKE TO NOTE, UH, THE PROPERTIES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, UM, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES, UM, ADJOINING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT FRONT ON AIRPORT ROAD, UH, WERE REZONED IN 1997 BY MR. DICE, WHO USED TO OWN THE, UH, FIRST PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT WHEN YOU TURN ONTO AIRPORT ROAD FROM ROUTE ONE. UH, THE WHAT WHERE HE HAD HIS WELDING SHOP OPERATION. UM, HE ORIGINALLY OWNED ALL OF THAT PROPERTY AND AGAIN IN 1997 HE HAD THAT PROPERTY REZONED, UM, WITH PROFFERS, UM, FOR ALL THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, ALONG THE, UM, NORTHERN SIDE OF AIRPORT AIRPORT ROAD. UM, AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS THE DIMWIT AIRPORT INDUSTRIAL AUTHORITY PROPERTY, WHICH IS OWNED M TWO INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, UM, DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, ADJOINING IT TO THE NORTH. THERE YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE'S ONE EXISTING RESIDENCE ON APPROXIMATELY 10 AND A HALF ACRES AND THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED. R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY MOVING TOWARDS ROUTE ONE. ALL OF THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS OWNED B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL AND FOR THE MOST PART IT INCLUDES [01:00:01] AUTOMOBILE SERVICE BUSINESSES. UM, IN ADDITION TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING, UM, THE APPLICANT DOES OWN, UH, TWO PROPERTIES THAT HAVE FRONTAGE ON A AIRPORT ROAD, UH, THAT ADJOIN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS WELL. I FAILED TO NOTE THAT PREVIOUSLY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN WHAT WE CALL THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AREA, UM, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT ALSO ADJOINS DIRECTLY ADJOINS TO THE WEST, THE AIRPORT PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS KNOWN AS OUR EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA AS DEFINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. THE PLAN INDICATES THAT THIS GENERAL AREA IS APPROPRIATE FOR LIMITED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS LIMITED INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND AS SUCH, THE REQUESTED M1 INDUSTRIAL LIMITED WITH PROPER ZONING IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AS DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, LOOKING AT IMPACTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UM, THERE WERE REALLY NO, UM, IMMEDIATE IMPACTS THAT WERE ADDRESSED. UH, THERE ARE UTILITIES AVAILABLE TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS. UM, THERE WERE NO, UH, NEGATIVE IMPACTS NOTED, UH, RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION. UH, FOR THE SUBJECT REZONING, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT, UH, PROFFER CONDITIONS, UH, FOR THE REZONING THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE, UH, PROFFERS THAT WERE, UH, INSTITUTED WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED BACK IN 1997. UH, THOSE CONDITIONS, UH, PROFFER CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, PROFFERED AS PART OF THE REZONING ARE THAT THE PERMITTED USES, UH, SHALL NOT BE USED FOR. UM, THEY DID LIMIT, UH, THERE WOULD NOT BE A WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS, UH, SUPPORT STRUCTURE, UH, AVAILABLE TO BE, UH, THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE TO BE UTILIZED FOR A BASICALLY WOULD BE A NEW BUILD, ANY TYPE OF, UH, TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER, NAMELY DUE TO THE AIRPORT BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. BUILDING SETBACKS, ALL MAIN AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES SHALL BE SET BACK FROM AIRPORT ROAD, A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET BUFFERS. THERE SHALL BE A 50 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY LINES. FENCING, CHAIN LINK FENCING SHALL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY LINES AND BUILDING AND STRUCTURE HEIGHTS ARE ADDRESSED IN PROPER CONDITION. FIVE. THE HEIGHT OF ANY MAIN OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SHALL NOT PENETRATE THE AIRSPACE OF THE DIMITY AIRPORT. AND CONDITION SIX ADDRESSES. STORAGE AREAS. THE STORAGE OF MATERIALS SHALL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTLY BEHIND THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND SHALL BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW, UH, PLANNING. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY GIVEN THAT THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION M1 INDUSTRIAL LIMITED WITH PROFFERS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. AND TWO, THE PROPOSED USE CONFORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AREA AND ADJOINING EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA AS SET FORTH IN THE COMPREHENSIVE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, MR. CHAIR AND PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORTH AND SAY ANYTHING AGAIN WHEN YOU GET UP HERE, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. CARL JOHNSON WITH SUNNY DAYS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE THEM. Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? WE DO. WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE HAD. ANY IDEAS, SUGGESTIONS, OR, I'M SORRY, WE JUST REZONING IT. IS THERE SOMETHING POTENTIAL GOING THERE? RIGHT. WE'RE THINKING, UH, INDUSTRIAL SITE, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THERE. WE'RE GETTING PHONE CALLS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LISTING IT NOW ON ZILLOW AND UH, WE ARE GETTING PHONE CALLS SO JUST WHATEVER COMES UP, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY, THAT'S IN THE PROFFERS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. SURE. ALRIGHT. I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING [01:05:01] PORTION OF THIS APPLICATION. IS THERE ANYONE WHO IS SIGNED UP OR WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP. MR. CHAIR? YES SIR. COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. HOW YOU GUYS DOING? I'M KEVIN ANDERSON, UH, 53 25 IRON BRIDGE ROAD. UM, WE OWN THE 2342, UH, PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. UH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON LIKE WHERE THE ENTRANCE TO THAT'S GONNA BE, IF IT'S GONNA BE A NEW INDUSTRIAL PARK WHERE THAT'S GONNA, ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE AT 23, 4 32? YES. THE VERY YEP. CORNER OF THAT? YES SIR. OKAY. I, I WOULD, AS I'D SAY THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO COMMENT, BUT THIS IS A QUICK COMMENT. I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH HIS PROPERTY. OKAY. YEAH, I, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GIVE ACCESS TO THAT. COOL. JUST CURIOUS ON THAT. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I GOT. I HAVE NO, NO OPPOSING TO IT. THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I HAD FOR IT, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT OR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. EXCUSE ME. UH, NOW WE GO TO COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS, ANY DIALOGUE THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? HEARING NONE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS NO, I GOT A QUESTION. YES SIR. UM, AND STAFF APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THIS. I JUST SAW THESE PROPHETS TODAY AND WAS TALKING TO MR. BASSETT ABOUT 'EM AND HE EXPLAINED THEM TO ME THAT THESE PROPHETS, UM, THE CONDITIONS WERE COPIED OFF OF, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE REZONING WAS DONE, BUT YEARS BACK. AND SO THESE PROFITS, UH, ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE TO THE PROPERTIES ALONG AIRPORT ROAD, RIGHT? BUT NUMBER TWO, THREE AND FOUR, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THEM AS AGAINST A LANDLOCKED PARCEL IS IT SAYS A MINIMUM OF 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM AIRPORT ROAD. WELL, THERE'S NO ADJACENTS, RIGHT? UH, BUFFER'S 50 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE SIDE IN REAR PROPERTY LINES, WHICH AGAIN, I CAN LOGICALLY KIND OF IF IT'S ON THE ROAD, BUT I'M NOT SURE THIS PROPERTY HAS A SIDE IN REAR. WHERE IS IT? AND THE SAME THING WITH FENCING. SO I DON'T KNOW QUITE WHAT TO DO WITH THIS ONE. IF STAFF GOT ANY COMMENTS, 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS GOING HIT A ISSUE WHEN IT COMES UP. YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT ONE MORE? UM, YES, MR. JOHNSON, YOU CAN, YOU CAN START AND I'LL FOLLOW UP IF WE OWN THE TWO LOTS IN FRONT. SO WE'RE GONNA CONNECT THE WHOLE THING, ALL OF IT, LOT NINE, LOT 11 AND BRING IT RIGHT AROUND ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. ALRIGHT? AND IF IT NEEDS A 50 FOOT BUFFER IN THE REAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT WILL BE BEHIND IT, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO APPLY THAT AND DO THAT. WHAT, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THESE PROFITS APPLY TO THE ONE TAX MAP NUMBER. SO THE PROFIT CONDITIONS DON'T QUITE FIT. THE 21 DASH ONE 40 THEY APPLY FOR LOT NINE AND LOT. WELL THAT'S THOSE PROFITS THAT YOU'RE READING RIGHT THERE ACTUALLY ARE ON THOSE ON THE ORIGINAL. YOU'RE NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING. THE PROFITS THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING TONIGHT IS JUST FOR ONE PARCEL. THAT'S RIGHT. FOR 7.70 ACRES. ACRES IN THE REAR, RIGHT? YES. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT REALLY MAKE BECAUSE, UH, WHEN MR. SALL READS THESE, HE'S GOING TO, UH, SCRATCH HIS HEAD AND COME IN MY OFFICE. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. WELL, IF, IF IT DOESN'T APPLY, THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT IT, WE'LL DO IT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE HAVE PLENTY PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A BUFFER AREA THERE WITH A FENCE AND BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THAT'S ALL. BUT WHERE WOULD THE BUFFER GO ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? WE ARE VERY PARCEL BETWEEN THE OTHER PARCEL BEHIND THE, THAT'S 22 ACRES BEHIND US. OH YEAH, THE 21, 1 41. THERE YOU GO. IT WOULD BE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THERE. IT WOULD THERE BE A FENCE THERE TOO OR NOT? YEAH, THERE'LL BE A FENCE. YOU BET. CHANGING FENCE. OKAY. MR. DREW MIGHT PICK A RECOMMENDATION. WOULD YOU BE SATISFIED IF, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO JUST, UH, NEGATE NUMBER TWO? YES. AND FOR STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY WHAT WE JUST STATED. 'CAUSE IT MAKES SENSE WHEN I'M, YOU UNDERSTAND ME. IN OTHER WORDS, RATHER THAN JUST A GENERIC SIDE IN REAR, UH, WORK WITH THE APPLICANT BEFORE IT GOES FORTH TO THE, UH, BOARD TO CLARIFY THAT. AND NOW, NOW THAT SOME EXTRA HAS BEEN BROUGHT INTO HERE, I HAVE A QUESTION AND I WAS, I THOUGHT THE APPLICANT ONLY OWNED 2162 AND 2163. I DID NOT KNOW THAT THEY OWNED 21 6 9 AND 21 6 11. [01:10:02] CORRECT SIR? THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHT, SO 23 432, WHICH THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK OWNS, LOOKS LIKE TO ME PERSONALLY IT WAS 21 6 11. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DEFINING A DEFINING MAP OF THOSE TWO PARCELS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL ON THIS. YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? DO Y'ALL NOT SEE IT IF THE MAN OWNS THE LOT, THAT LOOKS LIKE 21 6 11. SEE THE 23 4 32 MM-HMM . BESIDE IT, WE CAN SEE IT. MAYBE Y'ALL NEED TO GET ON A, SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SEE SMALL STUFF. THERE IS NOTHING TO DEFINE THOSE TWO LOTS. DO YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS ANY DIFFERENCE IN THOSE TWO LOTS? ALL SAME. NOT TO ME. SO I I I'M MISSING IT. YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE ADDRESS NUMBER IS MISLABELED? ALRIGHT, SO THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE SAYS HIS LOT IS 23,432, WHICH TO ME IS THIS WHOLE END. IT'S THIS ADDRESS HERE. THIS IS THE ADDRESS SYMBOL THAT'S NOT 21 6 10. IT'S 21 21 6 10 IS THE TAX MAP PARCEL NUMBER. OKAY. SO 23 4 32 IS ACTUALLY 21 6 10. YES, IT'S THE ADDRESS. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA BACK UP AND TELL YOU THAT HE COULD POSSIBLY PUT AN ENTRANCE NEXT TO YOU THROUGH THAT PARCEL TO GO INTO THE BACK. THAT'S FINE. SO I, I'M JUST, I I DIDN'T WANT TO BE MISSPOKEN EITHER SIDE ACTUALLY. YEAH, EITHER SIDE OF YOU. HE COULD PUT AN ENTRANCE IN. THAT'S FINE. I I, I JUST, YOU, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR MAP, ALL THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALL JUMBLED TOGETHER AND, AND THERE'S NO DEF DEFINITION OF ANY OF THAT. THEY'RE ALL HATCH MARKED TO BE CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WE CAN'T TELL REAL GOOD DEFINITION OF THOSE MAPS. NOW I UNDERSTAND. I APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SHOWING ME AND CLARIFYING THAT SO I CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA THANK ME FOR CAUSING THIS CONFUSION. I THANK YOU FOR CAUSING THE CONFUSION THAT BROUGHT UP MY QUESTION. OKAY. GOTCHA. THAT THEN CHANGED. YOU ARE, SO IF I WERE TO READ A MOTION AND I WOULD SAY WITH PROPER STRIKING NUMBER TWO AND AMENDING THE OTHERS FOR CLARIFICATION, THREE, THREE AND FOUR AND CLARIFYING THREE AND FOUR. YEAH. AS TO, UH, IT'S, IT'S THE REAL, WHAT HE'S GONNA DO IS PUT THE, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, UH, WITH 21 DASH, YOU KNOW, ADJOINING 21 DASH 41 40. I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. YES, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I WOULD THINK THOUGH ON THE SIDE PORTION THAT THAT WOULD BE A BUFFER ALONG THE SIDE OF 21, 1 37 AND 21, 1 38. WHEN YOU TELL ME THE BACK AND THE SIDE, THAT TO ME IS THE BACK AND THE SIDE. MAYBE SHE COULD BRING THE APPLICANT UP. YEAH, APPLICANT. WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, SIR , YOU'RE MAKING ME MOVE GUYS. UH, I APOLOGIZE. I APOLOGIZE. OKAY, SO GO AHEAD. WHAT DO YOU THINK? ALRIGHT, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT TRIANGLE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT, THE SIDE POINTED UP, WHICH YOU NOTED. YEP. THAT'S MR. WILSON'S PROPERTY, RIGHT ON THE BACK END, IT'S NEXT TO THAT. YOU BET. I WOULD THINK THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A READING WHAT I READ HERE, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUFFER ALL ALONG THAT BACK EDGE. YEP. AND TO ME WHERE BROWDER'S AND THE OTHER APPLICANT IS COMING AROUND THIS WAY TOO, TOO ON NUMBER ONE, YOU BET THAT THERE WOULD BE A BUFFER ON THAT SIDE AS WELL. EXACTLY. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I READ WHEN I, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT AND I DID TOO, SO THAT I WAS FINE WITH THAT. AND SO TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT WITH WHAT YOU HEARD ME SAY ABOUT THE PROPERTIES, ARE YOU OKAY IF, IF WITH THE PROPERTIES YEAH, AS I DESCRIBED, I HAVE PLENTY OF PROPERTY. YEAH, BECAUSE WELL THE BUILDING SETBACK IS LET'S DO IT RIGHT. YOU NOT IN THERE AS A REZONING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO AGREE TO THAT, SO. OH YEAH, NO, THEY'RE FINE. OKAY. YEP. STRIKE NUMBER TWO. AND YEAH, ALL THE STAFF TO CLARIFY THREE AND FOUR RIGHT. TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UNDERSTOOD. I ON THE MAP IT, I READ THE SAME THING. I SAW THAT TOO, SIR, BUT I WAS FINE WITH IT. SURE. THANK YOU SIR. THIS IS WHY WE ALWAYS WANT THE APPLICANT HERE. ARE WE DONE ? I ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTION A BEFORE I ALLOW HIM TO GO SIT DOWN AGAIN? WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU DALLAS. YOU'RE KILLING ME. . ALRIGHT, I'LL READ A MOTION OF Y'ALL WITH THIS CONSENSUS FOR THAT. EVERYBODY GOOD? READ. ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT, SO BE IT RESOLVED AND IN ORDER TO ASSERT COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 ALPHA SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, [01:15:01] GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT REZONING CASE P DASH 24 DASH 11 WITH PROPERS EXCEPT FOR NUMBER TWO, STRIKING NUMBER TWO AND ASKING STAFF TO CLARIFY NUMBERS THREE AND FOUR PRIOR TO, UH, BOARD, UH, DISCUSSION IN DECEMBER, PRESUMABLY THAT WE RECOMMENDED WITH THOSE SAID AMENDMENTS TO THE PROFFERS, UM, FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD. SECOND THE MOTION. ALRIGHT, MOTION'S BEEN PROPERLY MADE AND SECOND, CAN WE GET THE ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. HARVILLE? YES. MR. TUS? YES. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING IP DASH 24 DASH 11 HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH PROPER STRIKING NUMBER TWO AND CLARIFYING THREE AND FOUR TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. THREE MINUTES. I WOULD LIKE THAT A POINT OF PRIVILEGE. WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THREE MINUTES JUST TO RUN TO THE BATHROOM REAL QUICK AND COME BACK. THANK YOU. NO MATTER WHAT. THANK YOU. COME BACK TO ORDER AND I WOULD SAY WE CAN START CASE P DASH 24 DASH 15. WHO GETS TO READ THAT? SHE PLANNING? YEAH, NO, I WANT THE NEW PERSON. YEAH, , I WANT TO HEAR HER SPEAK [01:20:01] MR. CHAIR. I, I TOLD UM, HAILEY THAT, UM, BEFORE SHE DID HER, MADE HER PRESENTATION THIS EVENING THAT I JUST WANTED TO, UM, LET YOU KNOW ABOUT ONE OF HER, UM, WORK PROGRAM PROJECTS, UM, THAT SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON FOR, UH, REALLY SINCE SHE STARTED WITH THE COUNTY IN AUGUST. AND, UM, WHAT HALEY HAS DONE IS BEEN NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR DECADES IN THE COUNTY. AND WHAT IT IS SHE HAS DONE IS SHE'S GONE BACK THROUGH BASICALLY EVERY REZONING SINCE 1964 AND ALSO GONE THROUGH THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AND ALIGNED ALL OF THE REZONING CASES WITH THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, UM, TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY IS, IS OWNED CORRECTLY. AND IN DOING THAT MASSIVE JOB, UH, SHE HAS DISCOVERED, UM, THERE ARE PARCELS IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE ON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ARE NOT ZONED CORRECTLY. AND THERE'S THE MAIN PROBLEM, UM, THAT SHE HAS DISCOVERED WITH SOME OF THOSE INCORRECT, UH, ZONINGS ON THE MAP IS THAT, UM, BACK WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED, TYPICALLY WHERE WE HAVE WHERE HALEY'S FOUND ISSUES IS THAT, UM, THERE WOULD BE APPARENT PARCEL AND AN APPLICANT WOULD COME IN AND REZONE A PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY AND FOR SOME REASON THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, UM, WAS NOT JUST REFLECTING THAT THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED, BUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY GENERALLY WOULD BE SHOWN AS BEING REZONED SUBJECT TO THAT ZONING CASE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO, UM, SHE CAN SPEAK TO IT BETTER THAN I, BUT, UM, ON, IN A FEW, UH, CASES OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL ACREAGE THAT WAS SO SHOWN TO BE REZONED, BUT THAT WAS NOT CORRECT. IT WAS ONLY A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS REZONED. AND THIS IS, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE OVER TIME THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED, WHICH HALEY WILL UM, GO THROUGH AND DISCUSS WITH YOU ALL AND, AND SHOW YOU HOW THAT OCCURRED OVER TIME. UM, BUT THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, UM, DID NOT REFLECT THAT CORRECTLY AND ADDITIONAL PROPERTY WAS SHOWN TO BE REZONED AND IT ACTUALLY WAS NOT. SO WE'RE HERE, UM, TO CORRECT THAT THIS EVENING. UM, AND AS YOU'LL SEE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY IN A COUPLE CASES THAT SHE'S FOUND, UM, SOME OF THE PROPERTY HAS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED. UM, AND ACCORDING TO THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED ON PROPERLY PROPERTY THAT IS NOT PROPERLY ZONED FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, THIS WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT SHE'S GONNA COME BEFORE YOU ALL, UM, TO CORRECT SOME ZONING, UM, FROM MANY DECADES AGO. UM, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST OF A, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A COUPLE MORE EVENINGS WHERE YOU ALL WILL BE ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD TO CORRECT, UM, SOME MAPPING AREA ERRORS. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A BRIEF OUTLINE OF SOMETHING THAT HAILEY'S BEEN UNDERTAKING. UM, SHE'S COMPLETED THAT WORK AND HOPEFULLY FINALLY, UM, IF YOU GO TO OUR INTERACTIVE MAP ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, THERE'S A ZONING LAYER AND HOPEFULLY, UM, FINALLY WE WILL HAVE, UH, OUR OFFICIAL MAP WILL REFLECT, UM, THE TRUE ZONING OF EVERY PARCEL IN THE COUNTY THANKS TO HALEY'S WORK. ALRIGHT, THAT'S GOOD. CARRY ON. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE BEFORE YOU START. THANK YOU. WE'RE DOING ALL THE BUSY WORK OF SOME PEOPLE AROUND HERE. UH, SO TO REITERATE, UM, THIS IS CASE P DASH 24 DASH 15, AND THE APPLICANT IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF DIY COUNTY, UM, WHO ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 7.95 ACRES FROM A TWO TO B TWO, UM, TO CORRECT THE ZONING FOR THIS PORTION OF, UH, THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE ON, UM, YOUR SCREEN HERE, THE GREEN IS THE AREA THAT'S REQUESTED TO BE REZONED. UM, AND THE RED HERE, I'VE PUT THE SLIDE, UM, AHEAD [01:25:01] OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES MAP, UM, JUST TO SHOW THE, UM, PRIOR REZONING CASES THAT MARK ALLUDED TO, UH, THAT WERE MARKED ON A OLD ZONING MAP TO BE, UM, THIS ENTIRE KIND OF TRIANGULAR AREA. BUT REALLY AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THESE THREE REZONING CASES ARE REFLECTED IN THE MAP THAT I'VE CREATED HERE. UM, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED. THESE GREEN PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY A VARIETY OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED AT, UH, 23,188 AND 23,194 AIRPORT STREET. UM, AND THEY ARE TAX MAP PARCELS, 2078 CFKJ AND I. UM, THIS AREA IS INDICATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE MAP, UH, TO BE WITHIN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA, UM, WHICH IS AN AREA THAT SUPPORTS COMMERCIAL USES AND THEIR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. UM, THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR THIS CASE, LIKE I SAID, UM, THERE WERE THREE REZONING CASES BETWEEN THE TIME OF 1978 AND 1989. UM, THAT REZONED A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY BUT NOT THE COMPLETE AREA. UM, BUT UH, IT WAS REFLECTED ON MAPS INCORRECTLY, PRESUMABLY TO SOME SORT OF INTERPRETIVE ERROR. UM, HOWEVER, THESE PARCELS HAVE DEVELOPED SOME, UM, COMMERCIAL USES INCLUDING A HAIR SALON, AN ELECTRICAL COMPANY, UM, AND A UH, PARKING LOT FOR THE ELECTRICAL COMPANY. MORE RECENTLY, THERE'S BEEN AN APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, UM, TO FURTHER DEVELOP, UH, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY, UM, IN ORDER FOR THESE OTHER VACANT PARCELS TO BE DEVELOPED. THE ZONING FOR THE REMAINING A TWO PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN IN THIS CASE, UM, MUST BE CORRECTED TO B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL. UM, THE PROPERTIES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY, UH, INCLUDE MIXED LAND USES INCLUDING OPEN SPACE AND COMMERCIAL LAND USES. UM, THE OPEN SPACE TO THE SOUTH AND NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL A TWO AND THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST AND THE WEST IS ZONED BUSINESS GENERAL B TWO. UM, UH, THE IMPACTS TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS FAR AS PUBLIC UTILITIES, SCHOOL SYSTEM AND PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACTS ARE TO BE MINIMAL. THE PROPOSED REZONING TO B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL WERE WILL ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES, UM, THAT I ALLUDED TO ALREADY ON THESE PARCELS. UM, PUBLIC UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PROPERTIES AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY WILL BE MINIMAL BECAUSE THE USES THAT ARE EXPECTED TO PROLIFERATE ON THIS AREA AFTER THE REZONING, UM, SHOULDN'T CHANGE, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, TRANSPORT TO IMPACTS THE IMPACTS ON THE EXISTING TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WILL BE MINIMAL. AGAIN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS EXISTING ACCESS TO AND FRONTAGE JOHN AIRPORT STREET. UH, THE ROAD SYSTEM IS ADEQUATE TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES. ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WILL REQUIRE A REVIEW OF THE IMPACTS ON THE EXISTING TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, BASED ON THE FOLLOWING REASONS THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN. IS IT APPROPRIATE ZONING CLASSIFICATION GIVEN THE APPROVED COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY? UM, THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES DO NOT HAVE AN ADVER ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION, UM, IS IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? WHO, WHO OWNS THE PIECE OF PROPERTY? UM, UM, I, THE LARGE PORTION OF PROPERTY THAT GOES FROM, UM, AIRPORT STREET ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THAT ONE PIECE IS OWNED BY, UM, HALE'S ELECTRIC. OKAY. AND THEN THE, UM, PORTIONS OF PROPERTY THAT ARE DIVIDED INTO SMALLER PARCELS. THE FRONT PARCEL IS WHERE MIRRORS ON THE WALL IS. MM-HMM . THE PARCEL BEHIND THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE AN EXISTING SITE PLAN AND BUILDING PERMIT THAT'S BEEN APPLIED FOR, TO BUILD [01:30:01] A OFFICE BUILDING. AND THEN BEHIND THAT, I GUESS BE THE THIRD PARCEL IN, UH, HALE'S ELECTRIC OWNS THAT PARCEL. AND THEN THE FINAL PARCEL, THE RECTANGULAR ONE IN THE REAR, UM, IS OWNED BY, UM, ALICIA HENSHAW. I I WAS, IT JUST THREW ME OFF THE BOARD ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT WHEN THE OTHER ONES WE FOUND IT, THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY BROUGHT AND WANTED TO HAVE IT REDONE. RIGHT. THE, THE COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE AND, UM, REASON WHY. YEAH. UM, MS. INGRAM HAS CONTACTED ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND DISCUSSED WITH THEM THE COUNTY'S REASONING FOR THE REZONING. AND I ALSO HAD ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WITH MS. HENSHAW ABOUT THE REZONING AS WELL. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? , MR. TORY , YOU REPRESENT THE COUNTY? YEAH, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS. UH, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO IT? I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS? IF NONE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION AND WE CAN GET THIS MOVING ON. I'LL, I'LL READ THE MOTION IF THERE'S CONSENSUS. SURE. I WAS GETTING TO IT, BUT THAT'S FINE. UH, BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 ALPHA SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE WOULD, THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED, IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE AND ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE, UM, THAT THE REZONING P 24 DASH 15 BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR. SECOND. ALRIGHT, ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. HAYES? YES. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. HARLE? YES. AND MR. TIPMAN? YES. UM, ALL MEMBERS PR I MEAN SIX SIX MEMBERS. VOTING IP DASH 24 DASH 15 HAS BEEN APPROVED. ALRIGHT. AND NEXT WE MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS. IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF? NO. MR. CHAIR. I HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING. ANY NEW BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS. MR. CHAIR. ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, ANY PLANNING [11. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS] DIRECTOR COMMENTS? UH, JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL, UH, FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE WORKSHOP, UH, THIS EVENING. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL, UH, FOR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT, THAT WERE DISCUSSED. AND APPRECIATE ALL YOUR INPUT. WELL, I'M SORRY THAT I WAS DIFFICULT DURING MOST OF THAT, BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK WE OFTENTIMES ASK OURSELF ENOUGH QUESTIONS TO, I LIKE TO PLAY THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. MOST PR MOST PRTS ARE DIFFICULT. YEAH, I DO, DON'T I? THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I'LL BE SPEAKING WITH YOU . MR. MR. CHAIRMAN. I DO HAVE A THING I GO TO SAY AND I'M SORRY. UM, I, I RECKON I, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST CASE THAT WE APPROVED. I, I TRULY DON'T THINK THEM PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. WE KIND OF HELPED THEM OUT BY SHIFTING IT A LITTLE BIT THAT WE, THAT FARTHER BECAUSE THE REASON ONLY HAD ALREADY HAPPENED. THEY COULD HAVE BILLED IT AND PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO SURE. WHAT'S CALLED ITS HOUSE IF THEY WANTED TO BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY APPROVED THAT WHOLE FIELD. BUT IT GOES BACK TO THE SECOND CASE. THE SECOND CASE WHEN THE WE ARE REZONING PROPERTY AND WE'RE NOT KNOWING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT. I THINK IT'S A OPEN END. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO REZONE SOMETHING, I TRULY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ON WHAT WE ARE KIND OF LOOKING FOR, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE, WHERE WE HEADED AND JUST SAYING, I'M GOING TO REZONE 35 ACRES. WELL, WE REZONE 35 ACRES. AND MORGAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT? I, I, NO, I MEAN, I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION WHEN MORGAN AND I SAW EACH OTHER. I THINK IT SHEATH AND SHE HAD A VALID COMMENT ABOUT THAT. YEAH. I GUESS, I GUESS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE THERE WAS A PROPERTY OVER ON SIMPSON ROAD THAT WAS REZONED, UM, FROM M1 TO M TWO SPECULATIVELY. IT'S A PROPERTY THAT ROSALYN FARMS HAS OWNED FOR YEARS. AND I MEAN, IT, IT'S STILL SETTING VACANT TODAY, BUT [01:35:01] THEY WANTED IT TO BE MORE MARKETABLE TO THE USERS THAT THEY HAVE HAD INTEREST IN. SO IT INTO, SO YOU DO HAVE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WANT TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTIES SPECULATIVELY TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO SOMEBODY BUYING A MORE INDUSTRIAL USE OR WHATNOT. AND SO GOING FROM AN A TWO TO TO TO M1 IS DEFINITELY KIND OF A UPSELL. AND I GUESS IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE PARCELS THAT WE HAVE, THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF IS M IS IS INDUSTRIAL. CORRECT. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLACES READY TO GO TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOME TYPE OF MANUFACTURING, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE YOUR LOCATIONS AND THAT OFFERS A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD. AND THE WILLIAMS, I DON'T THINK WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK THAT WERE, 'CAUSE THEY TALKED TO 'EM, I GUESS THEIR BIGGEST CONCERNS WERE THEY HAVE A SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT THROUGH THEIR ENTRANCE OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY HAD UNTIL RECENTLY. OH. WELL, THEY AT LEAST GOT TO LEARN SOMETHING. AND THEY, THEY EXPLAINED TO ME OVER THE PHONE THAT THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF REZONING BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WAS BEING A TWO, SO LIKE A HOUSE BACK THERE. SURE. THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL BEHIND IT THAN FERENCE. SO THEY'RE INTO RACING. SO THEY, I, LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANT, I NO, I YOU HAVE A VALID POINT. I DON'T THINK JUST BLANKET REZONING SOMETIMES IS THE RIGHT THING. I MEAN, I LOOK AT ALL THAT THAT WE HAVE IN RR OVER WHERE MY DAD'S FARM IS AND MAXWELL'S FARM, NEITHER ONE OF 'EM WANTED IT. IT WAS REZONED BECAUSE WE WERE SPECULATING THAT'S WHERE THE HOUSES WERE GONNA GO AND THEREFORE IT'S NOT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO. CORRECT. AND, AND THAT'S WHEN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE USES IN THE PROPOSED INTO WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IMPACTS OF A, UM, A OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. THEN, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD TAKE THAT, UM, INTO THEIR THOUGHTS AND MAKE THAT A, UM, USE THAT THEY WOULD OFFER THAT THEY WOULD NOT DO. SO, AND LET ME MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS TOO. SURE. BECAUSE WHEN I, WHEN I, UM, WHEN I FIRST CAME UP HERE FROM JAMES CITY COUNTY, UH, I AT JAMES CITY COUNTY, YOU NEVER HAD, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT YOU NEVER HAD A REZONING WITHOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHOUT A PLAN. IN FACT, IF A PERSON, IF AN APPLICANT DID THAT, IT WAS GONNA BE TURNED DOWN WELL, BUT IT'S AN URBAN, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT. SO WHEN I CAME UP HERE, I STARTED HITTING THE SAME THING. I, A COUPLE PARCELS MAYBE THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REZONED, BUT PEOPLE WOULD REZONE STUFF TO BUSINESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO BUSINESS WITHOUT ANYTHING. SO IT KIND OF MADE ME A LITTLE CROSS EYE TOO. AND, BUT YET I CAME TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A RULE, NOT WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND ME, A DEVELOPING AREA WHERE JAMES CITY COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE MANY PARCELS LEFT. RIGHT. YOU UNDERSTAND? SO IT WAS JUST DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT IT ALWAYS HAS MADE ME KIND OF I'M WITH YOU. YOU KNOW, A CELL TOWER'S NOT GONNA GO THERE THOUGH. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. BUT, BUT IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SCHOOL, THEY TELL YOU YES. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SHOULDN'T DO. YOU SHOULD HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING ON WHAT THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE USED FOR. I, I, I HAVE MY MICROPHONE ON, BUT ANYWAY, BUT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I LIKE TO SEE IT. AND I'M NOT SURE ON THIS ONE WE, IT WAS DONE. BUT FOR Y'ALL TO THINK THROUGH WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THERE AND MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE PROFITS. YEAH. RIGHT. I'M SORRY I BROUGHT SOMETHING UP. NO, YOU, I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. I, IN THIS INSTANCE, I JUST, IT SEEMED TO WORK THERE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF IT. MM-HMM. ALL OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF IT. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THOSE LOTS THAT HE OWNS THAT ARE SO SMALL THAT THEY'RE NOT WORTH ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR AN ENTRANCE INTO MORE PROPERTY. MM-HMM. UH, SO I SAW IT. I WISH I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT, I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE. MM-HMM . I, I DO, I, AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU, MIKE, ON THAT. I, I SHOULD HAVE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE THAT BEEN A PROPER STATEMENT. UH, SO RIGHT. WE KNOW NEXT TIME. YEAH. WELL YOU GOT THOSE, UH, ONES, THOSE PROFITS TO CLARIFY. SO MAYBE THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING CLARIFIED AND MAYBE THE BOARD CAN THINK ABOUT THAT. WELL, PRIOR TO THEIR, I KEEP ON TURNING OFF THIS MICROPHONE. NOW THERE'S ANOTHER, I, I WOULD SUGGEST [01:40:01] THAT IF Y'ALL DID HAVE SOME AFTERTHOUGHT OR SOMETHING, YOU JUST TELL STAFF AND THEY CAN SURE. COMMUNICATE IT ALL. I DON'T, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE HE'S TOO HARD TO GET ALONG WITH. NO. SO HE MIGHT, WOULD DO IT. 'CAUSE AGAIN, THESE WERE JUST COPIED FROM THE, FROM THE FRONT. AND I, I'M GOING TO SAY ONE OTHER THING ABOUT M1 AND M TWO PROPERTY I ASKED A LONG TIME AGO, SELF STORAGE IS ALLOWED BY WRITING THOSE. I KNOW AND I ASKED IF WE COULD HAVE A CUP HOOKED TO IT WHEN IT WENT IN THOSE, AND YET TO BE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF US. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAN GO BACK THERE THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ASK ANYBODY ABOUT. IF HE GETS THIS ZONING, HE CAN PUT ONE OF THOSE ROUTES IN THERE AND HAVE THE BIGGEST SELF STORAGE PLACE MILE HIGH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PUT ANY HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ON ANYTHING. IT CAN LOOK LIKE THE ONE ON THE EXIT AT TEMPLE AVENUE. YEAH. . I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, I ASKED FOR THAT A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM WITH THESE, UH, SELF STORAGE FACILITIES. WE WERE LUCKY THAT THE LAST ONE WE DID, THEY WERE AMICABLE TO WHAT WE ASKED FOR, WHICH WAS SOMETHING TO BEAUTIFY THE ROAD FRONTAGE AND A SIDE THAT COULD BE SEEN. AND THEY WERE, AND I WOULD LIKE CUP WISE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT OR YOU JUST DON'T GET IT, KIND OF THING. ESPECIALLY IN AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER, WHICH IS M1, M TWO FOR THAT MM-HMM . AND I THINK THAT'S, THEY'LL, THEY'LL DISCUSS IT WITH MR. SUNNY DAY IS YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, UH, THAT'S A SIMPLE THING I THINK TO DO TO THE ORDINANCE. IS IT NOT TO ATTACH A CUP TO, TO THAT IN A INDUSTRIAL AREA? YES. I MEAN, I SURE. SO, OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE. I LIKE REZONINGS AND CS. I DO TOO. REZONINGS AND C PS. I DO TOO. WITH NOTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS. I MAKE A MOTION. WE ADJO. ALL RIGHT. SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND TO ADJOURN? I SECOND. NO STAFF. LET ME THANK STAFF FOR OUR DINNER. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OUR DINNER STAFF. Y'ALL DO A Y'ALL DO A GOOD JOB. ALL THE MEMBERS ARE IN FAVOR. HUH? WE ARE ADJOURNED. WHO'S ADJOURNED? * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.