[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.WE'RE ABOUT TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
WE WANT TO FIRST STAND UP AND PASS ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND PERFORM THE SOUNDS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WE STAND ONE NATION ON GOD IN THE PRINCIPLE WITH LIBERTY.
DO WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, SIR? MR. CUNNINGHAM? HERE.
MR. TUCKER, MR. SIMMONS AND MR. HARVILLE HERE.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THE NIGHT? ANY CHANGES? YOUR HONOR, I HAVE NO CHANGES.CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND, MR. GOODLEY? MR. LANGLEY? YES.
ALL MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING ACT NEXT.
WE'LL JUST PAUSE FOR A MINUTE AND WAIT FOR THE, THE OTHER GENTLEMAN TO COME IN AND HAVE A SEAT.
MR. DUCKER? MR. SIMMONS? GOOD EVENING, SIR.
JUST WANNA MAKE MENTION THAT I'M FILLING IN, IN FOR MR. TIP TUS TONIGHT.
SO I NEED FOR ALL OF YOU TO BE MR. TUS AS WELL.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE NEXT THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UM, HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.UM, WE HAD THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER THE NINTH, 2024 FOR A REGULAR MEETING.
COULD WE HAVE, UM, APPROVEMENT ON THAT PLEASE? SO MOVED.
MR. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO ALL THREE OF 'EM NOW? OR I, I'LL, UH, JUST GO THROUGH THE, IF EACH ONE, OKAY.
I, I, I'M OKAY IF IT'S CLARIFIED THAT THE MOTION IS FOR ALL THREE.
WELL, YOU HAD SOME FOLKS ABSENT.
I WAS HERE ON OCTOBER 9TH, BUT I WAS NOT, UH, IN ATTENDANCE ON THE 13TH.
FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING? HUH? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE ARE OF OFFICIAL FIVE MEMBERS.
SO THE NEXT WILL BE THE APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER THE 13TH JOINT WORKSHOP MEETING.
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MR. TUCKER? YES.AND SO THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE THE NOVEMBER 13TH REGULAR BOARD MEETING.
CAN I GET AN APPROVAL ON THAT? SO MOVE SECOND.
CUNNINGHAM ABSTAINED AND MR. HARLE? YES.
SO OUR NEXT ORDER ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
SO, MR. GERDY, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYONE? MR. CHAIR? THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP.
WE'LL JUST BYPASS THAT AND I DON'T NEED TO READ THE STATEMENT.
[7. PUBLIC HEARING]
ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING.UM, MR. BASSETT, UH, DO I NEED TO READ THE PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT? NO.
IT WOULD BE AFTER MR. BASSETT DOES THE PRESENTATION, BUT THAT ANSWER WILL PROBABLY BE NO.
UM, AS MR. CULBERTH PRESENTED THE, UM, ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING AT YOUR NOVEMBER WORKSHOP, UH, MR. CULBERTH IS GONNA DO THE PRESENTATION FOR THE, UH, TWO ZONING ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING.
MR. CHAIR, PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, I'M HERE TO PRESENT, UH, CASE A DASH 24 DASH ONE.
UM, THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT, UM, AS WELL AND IS AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 22 DASH SIX OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE, UM, DISTRICT'S ESTABLISHED AND ENUMERATED.
UM, SO I WILL START OFF WITH THE EMERGING EMERGING TECHNOLOGY DISTRICT.
UM, THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU IS THE SAME DRAFT THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE WORKSHOP, UM, IN NOVEMBER.
UM, I WILL BRIEFLY GO OVER IT, AS MANY OF YOU ARE ALREADY AWARE OF WHAT IT CONTAINS.
UM, AS STATED, IT WOULD BE ITS OWN SEPARATE ZONING CLASSIFICATION DISTRICT.
UM, THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT, UM, THE USES PROVIDED IN THE AMENDMENT, UM, ARE ALL CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
UM, AND THE DEFINITIONS FOR THOSE USES ARE PROVIDED AT THE END OF THE PROPOSED DRAFT IN SECTION 22, 2 3 4 0.85.
UM, MOVING ALONG IN THE ORDINANCE, UH, WE HAVE SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
UM, THEY INCLUDE SCREENING, MAXIMUM HEIGHT, AND, UM, AN EXEMPTION FOR THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT CAN BE GRANTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, MOVING TO THE NEXT SECTION, IT OUTLINES THE APPLICATION PROCESS, WHICH MIRRORS THE CURRENT APPLICATION PROCESS WE HAVE FOR ANY REZONING IN THE COUNTY.
UM, MOVING ON TO 22 DASH SIX, UM, THIS AMENDMENT IS TO ADD THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED IN THIS SECTION.
UH, THOSE INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL URBAN, R RU, UH, THE COMMERCIAL PLANNED PUD MIXED USE, MU UTILITY, STALE SCHOLER ENERGY, SED, AND THE, UH, PROPOSED ADDITION TONIGHT, THE EMERGING TECH EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT, ETD.
UM, THESE WERE ALL NOT ADDED, UM, TO THIS SECTION WHEN THOSE WERE ADOPTED.
UM, KEEPING IT BRIEF, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSALS IN FRONT OF YOU, I'M HERE TO TAKE QUESTIONS AND I'LL REITERATE, IT'S THE SAME DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE, UH, JOINT MEETING IS THE ONE THAT'S IN, IN FRONT OF YOU ALL.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YES, SIR.
I JUST WANTED TO ESTABLISH, I GOT THROUGH ASKING QUESTIONS.
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UH, HE ANSWERED ONE I WAS GOING TO ASK, WAS THERE ANY PRINT PUT IN AFTER WE SAW IT THE FIRST TIME? I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WHEN I READ IT, SO, NO, I, UH, WE'RE GOOD.I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE.
IT'S THE SAME, IT IS THE SAME ORDINANCE THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE WORKSHOP.
UM, IT'S THE SAME PROCESS, LIKE I SAID, THAT THAT, THAT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH FOR ANY REZONING.
UM, THE USES ARE ALL REQUIRED A CUP, SO THAT WILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU ALL AS WELL.
UM, THAT'S REALLY, REALLY ALL I HAVE.
UM, AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS SO WHERE WE CAN GET IN THE GAME, UH, FOR THESE POTENTIAL USES TO BRING 'EM TO THE COUNTY IF THEY'RE, IF, IF, IF SOMEBODY PROPOSES ONE, IT WAS, WAS, UH, SO THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS AND SOME, I GUESS, ISSUES OR SITUATIONS THAT CAME UP IN THE WORKSHOP, BUT, UM, I GUESS THERE WAS NOTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE, UM, LOOKED AT OR ESTABLISHED OR CHANGED OR ANYTHING.
YEAH, US AS STAFF WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UM, SPOKE THE FOLLOWING DAY, UM, WE WERE ALL UNDER THE INTERPRETATION THAT ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WERE HAD BY YOU ALL AND THE BOARD COULD BE AND WOULD BE, UM, RESOLVED UNDER THE CUP AS A CONDITION OR AS A PROFFER WITH THE REZONING, WHICH IS HENCE WHY WE SET IT UP THIS WAY INSTEAD OF THE OVERLAY BY RIGHT NOW.
THIS, THIS ALLOWS YOU ALL TO PUT THE CONDITIONS ON THE USE THAT YOU ALL SEE FIT.
DID, DID Y'ALL, UH, DISCUSS ANY AREAS OF COUNTY THAT WOULD BE BETTER USE WITH THESE TECHNOLOGIES THAN OTHERS? ARE THEY ANY LANDOWNERS INTERESTED IN ANY OF THAT, OR? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY LANDOWNERS INTERESTED.
UM, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THEY ARE DESIRED TO BE WITHIN A REASONABLE DISTANCE FROM A HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINE.
THAT IS, THAT IS THE GENERAL CONSENSUS OF IT.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE WENT WITH THIS KIND OF METHOD WITH, WITH THE AMENDMENT INSTEAD OF AN OVERLAY IS WE DIDN'T WANT TO PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS.
WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO HANDCUFF OURSELVES TO A POTENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR THIS USE.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO MAKE THE UPGRADES NEEDED TO REACH THOSE POWER LINES, IF THEY WERE JUST SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, UM, WE FELT AS IF THIS WOULD ALLOW AN APPLICANT TO COME IN, MAKE HIS CASE BEFORE YOU ALL, AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, FOR THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PLEAD THEIR CASE FOR WHY THE REZONING SHOULD GO THROUGH.
SO ONE THING I'LL THROW OUT, I MENTIONED TO MARK ABOUT THIS A WHILE AGO, BUT I WENT TO A INDUSTRY, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY BRIEF IN ENGINEERING INDUSTRY, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY BRIEF IN THIS MORNING.
AND, UM, THE LOBBYISTS THAT WE HIRED, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL FOR BILLS WITH, UH, BOTH, UH, SOLAR AND UM, DATA CENTER.
BUT ON THE DATA CENTER, SUPPOSEDLY JUST THIS WEEK A GENERAL ASSEMBLY LED, UM, UH, UH, DOCUMENT WAS RELEASED ABOUT ISSUES RELATED TO DATA SYMPTOMS. AND I JUST THOUGHT I, I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE THAT WHEN I CAN GET MY HANDS ON IT.
BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP US, GUIDE US WITH, UH, WITH A CP OR RESULT MAY COME UP.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST THE SAME OLD KIND OF STUFF WE'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT NOISE, WATER, POWER, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
THOSE THREE TEND TO BE THE THREE HOT BUTTON TOPICS WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THESE DATA CENTERS.
I THINK, I THINK I, I'M GLAD WE GETTING ON IT.
UM, I THOUGHT WE'D MENTIONED IN THE WORKSHOP ABOUT ALSO ABOUT LOCATING THEIR WATER,
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THE HAVING THEIR WATER ACCESS TO IT SOMETIME.SO WITH MAY NEED WATER, MAY, MAY NEED A WATER ACCESS.
SO WITH THE WATER ACCESS, UM, EACH, UH, STYLE OF DATA CENTER, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT, IS DIFFERENT.
THERE ARE SOME THAT DON'T USE ANY WATER AND THERE ARE SOME THAT USE A PILE OF WATER.
UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY LOCATIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY WHERE WATER WOULD BE A MAJOR ISSUE AND THERE'S SOME WHERE THERE WOULDN'T BE.
UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY, UM, IN THE UTILITY SYSTEM TO WITHHOLD, YOU KNOW, HOLD UP TO A DATA CENTER USING THAT KIND OF WATER.
UM, SO I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.
UM, BUT WATER IS FOR SURE AN ISSUE WITH THE COMPANIES AND DEVELOPERS WHO DEVELOP THE SITES THAT DO WATER COOLING FOR THE COMPUTERS.
I, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE AT THE WORKSHOP.
I WISH I MADE IT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I DIDN'T WANT TO RISK RUN THE RISK OF GETTING ANYBODY SICK, SO I STAYED AWAY.
BUT, UM, WAS THERE ANY AREAS OF THE COUNTY, UH, THAT Y'ALL COME UP WITH THAT YOU FELT WOULD BE BEST SUITED AS FAR AS ALREADY HAVE LIKE A THREE-PHASE LINE RUNNING NEAR IT, UH, THE LAND AVAILABLE? ARE THEY ANY OF THAT LOOKED AT? I MEAN, AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT I, I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
SO WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LET MORGAN COME UP HERE? SO, SO WE AREN'T TALKING SITE SPECIFIC JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONFIDENTIALITY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, BUT WE HAVE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT SITES IN THE COUNTY.
UM, ANOTHER UTILITY THAT WOULDN'T MENTION A LOT OF 'EM NEED IS GAS.
UM, SO THAT IS ALSO KIND OF A LIMITING FACTOR IN THE LOCATION OF, OF SOME OF THEM, WHICH I THINK THIS ORDINANCE KIND OF LOOKS TO THE FUTURE AS WELL.
UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT IN THE WORKSHOP ABOUT THE ANNOUNCEMENT IN PENNSYLVANIA COUNTY THAT THEY'RE DOING ONSITE GENERATION FOR POWER.
SO THIS KIND OF OPENS US UP TO THE FUTURE FOR SITES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
I THINK THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF MADE IT MORE BROAD TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE.
SO ARE WE, ARE WE READY TO VOTE TO ACCEPT OR REJECT YOU? YOU, YOU CAN OPEN AND CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PORTION, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION AND THEN GO TO A VOTE.
SO THE PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THE STATEMENT THOUGH, MR. CHAIR.
WE'RE NOW READY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. CHAIR SIGNED UP, NOT CURIOSITY HERE.
IS THIS, IS IT STILL POSSIBLE THAT PEOPLE COULD BE OUT THERE AND LISTENING TO ASK TO SPEAK? IS THAT, IS THAT, I MEAN, I, I JUST HAVEN'T, THAT HADN'T HAPPENED IN YEARS NOW, SO.
OH, YOU MEAN WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING WEBEX.
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW I FIXED MY HAIR FOR NOTHING.
SO YOU'VE OFFICIALLY OPENED AND CLOSED, RIGHT, MR. CHAIR? YES.
IS ANYONE READY TO RECEIVE, TO REJECT OR APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OR IS THAT WHERE WE ARE? I, IS THERE ANY MORE COMMISSIONERS, COMMENTS? ANYTHING MR. CHAIR? I READ, WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 5 AND 15.22286 A SEVEN, THE DEITY
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COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS OPTION THAT THE PUBLIC'S NECESSARY CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE WARRANT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE DEITY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HEREBY RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS A DASH 24 DASH ONE AS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
LET'S SECOND IT, IT HAS BEEN MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE READY FOR THE VOTE? MR. TUCKER? YES.
NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA SEEMS TO BE OLD BUSINESS.
UM, STAFF HAS NO OLD BUSINESS TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING.
DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? NO, NO NEW BUSINESS.
[10. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS (Part 1 of 2)]
COMMENT.YOU ARE MAKING IT EASY FOR ME TONIGHT.
MARK, I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION.
UM, I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING, I SAID IT AGAIN, WHEN THE, THE GENTLEMAN UP THERE FROM THE AIRPORT COME IN TO GET SOMETHING REZONED, IS IT POTENTIALLY, YOU AIN'T SAYING THAT YOU GOT TO TELL ME 100%, BUT TELL US WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO WE DON'T BLANKLY ZONE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY COULD COME AND JUST BUILD ANYTHING, UM, WHEN SOMEBODY'S REZONING PROPERTY.
THEY, THEY CAN JUST REQUEST, UM, TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AS AN EXAMPLE TO B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL AND NOT PROFFER ANY SPECIFIC USES EITHER THAT, UM, YOU ALL WILL BE APPROVING AS PART OF THAT B TWO ZONING DISTRICT OR, UM, EXCLUDING ANY SPECIFIC USES, UM, AS PART OF THAT REZONING.
SO IT CAN BE DONE EITHER WAY, UM, JUST AS A BLANKET ZONING, ALLOWING ALL THOSE USES WITHIN THAT DISTRICT OR, YOU KNOW, REZONED WITH PROFFERS WHERE YOU'RE PERHAPS LIMITING USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY OR ONLY ALLOWING CERTAIN USES ON THE PROPERTY.
AND GENERALLY WE, WE WILL TALK WITH AN APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.
WHEN THEY COME IN AND, UM, INDICATE THAT THEY'D LIKE TO PETITION TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY REZONED AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
PROFFERS ARE, I MIGHT BE OVERSTEPPING, UM, MY BOUNDS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, BUT PROFFERS ARE TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO BE VOLUNTARY ENTERED INTO BY THE APPLICANT.
SO WE DO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH 'EM AND SOMETIMES THEY'LL SAY THEY DON'T WISH TO PROFFER EITHER LIMITING USES OR, YOU KNOW, TYING THE ZONING TO SPECIFIC USES WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
I, I JUST KNOW AND, AND I THINK I SAID IT ONCE BEFORE WHEN I TOOK THE CLASS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID IS NOT A GOOD ZONING PRACTICE IS TO JUST DO A BLANKET ZONING WITHOUT YOU KNOWING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA KIND OF GO THERE OR FOR SOME PURPOSE OR SOME REASON TO JUST BLANKETLY DO IT.
THEY TOLD US IN CLASS IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD PRACTICE.
THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW HE HAS OTHER BUSINESS IN THERE, BUT WE REZONED THAT WITH KIND OF NOTHING IN MIND WHEN I ASKED OTHER, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I BRING IT BACK UP.
WELL I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THAT AS WE CAN'T DEMAND A PROPER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT EITHER.
I HAD ONE THING I'D LIKE TO THROW OUT TO Y'ALL 'CAUSE IT'S NEXT MONTH IS THE, UH, IS WHEN WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE BYLAWS AND THE CALENDAR AND EVERYTHING FOR 2025.
AND I SAY THIS WITH A COUPLE CAVEATS.
NUMBER ONE IS I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE HERE NEXT YEAR.
BUT, UM, THE, THE OTHER, THE, THE OTHER ISSUE IS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN, BUT ONE THING THAT'S BEEN KIND OF SITTING ON MY MIND FOR SEVERAL YEARS HAS BEEN, IF WE GET IN A SITUATION WHERE WE KNOW FROM THE CASE LOAD PROJECTED AND
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PARTICULARLY THE TYPE OF CASE THAT YOU COULD GO INTO EXTENDED, YOU KNOW, OVERTIME KIND OF THING.YOU START AT SEVEN AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA END.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND WE CONSIDER A FLEXIBILITY IN OUR BYLAWS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO PULL THE TRIGGER EVERY TIME, BUT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY IN OUR BYLAWS THAT STAFF, UM, WHEN CONSIDERING A CASELOAD FOR THE FOLLOWING MONTH HAS THE ABILITY TO SET A SECOND DATE.
THE DOWNSIDE I SEE IN THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT MEANS COMING HERE A SECOND TIME FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT, AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS IT WOULD HAVE TO, THE PUBLIC A NOTICE PERIOD WOULD'VE TO BE CAREFULLY, UH, ADDRESSED TOO.
'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPER NOTICE TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME.
BUT I JUST, I, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GOOD FOR US AND OUR DECISION MAKING TO BE SITTING HERE.
YOU KNOW, IT HADN'T HAPPENED OFTEN I ADMIT, BUT AS I LOOK MORE AND MORE TO THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S LIKELY MORE LIKELY TO OCCUR.
I'D HATE TO BE MAKING A DECISION ON A TOUGH CASE AT 1230 IN THE MORNING.
I THINK THE LAST ONE WE HAD WAS ONE OVER AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
BUT, AND IT'S NOT FAIR FOR THE CITIZENS EITHER, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE TO STAY UP ALL NIGHT, UM, AND WHATNOT.
SO MY, MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE THAT JUST TO CONSIDER LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW, IF WE WANTED TO AHEAD OF TIME TO SPACE IT OVER TWO DIFFERENT DAYS, WHATEVER'S BEST FOR STAFF.
IT COULD BE ONE NIGHT AND THEN THE NEXT NIGHT IT COULD BE ONE WEEK APART.
IT COULD BE WHATEVER, BUT DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE IT, IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
WE JUST JUST HAVE TO GRIND THROUGH IT.
AND, UM, I HAVEN'T ASKED THIS OF ANYBODY ON STAFF BECAUSE I DO KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE FOR YOU TOO, ALL OF YOUR ALBUMS, BUT NOT, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO THROW THAT OUT IF THERE'S ANY, UH, CONSENSUS ON AT LEAST HAVING THE LANGUAGE THERE SO THAT WE COULD DO IT IF WE SO CHOSE WHAT, UH, JUST TO THAT QUESTION, WHAT DOES IT DO WITH YOUR ADVERTISING AND CHANGE? AND I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE A BUMP IN THE ROAD TOO, WOULDN'T IT? WELL, NO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I'VE TRIED TO THINK THIS THROUGH, BUT IF WE KNEW THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH WE WERE GONNA HAVE SOME ONE CASE THAT WAS GONNA TAKE, WE THOUGHT WE'D TAKE, WE'D HAVE TO GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOL FOR, AND IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED SPEAKERS AND ALL THAT.
WE COULD ISOLATE THAT TO ONE DAY AND THEN THE OTHER CASES COULD BE THE NEXT DAY.
AND IF YOU KNEW THAT AHEAD OF TIME, YOU COULD ADVERTISE ACCORDINGLY.
THE, THE LAST THREE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS, AND I'M SURE THIS ONE'S GONNA BE THE SAME.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN CHANGING NOT ALWAYS FOR THE GOOD NOTICE REQUIREMENTS IN, IN FACT THEY CLAIM IT'S FOR CLARITY AND LAST, IT IS NOT, IT HASN'T BEEN AS CLEAR WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
AND I WAS FLIPPING THROUGH THE BYLAWS HERE AND I'LL LOOK AT 'EM A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP.
BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY REASON YOU CAN'T STOP MEETING AND CONTINUE IT TO A CERTAIN DATE.
WELL, I WAS THINKING ABOUT PLANNING AHEAD AND NOT STOPPING, BUT I MEAN, THAT IS AN OPTION.
BUT IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE HERE ALREADY FOR SOMETHING, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE 'EM SITTING HERE FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS AND THEN SAY, OH, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE IT UNDER UNDERSTOOD.
UM, YOU ADOPTION OF A MEETING SCHEDULE AT THE BEGINNING, UM, IS I BELIEVE, AND AGAIN, I GET MIXED UP ON THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I BELIEVE IT SAYS IT IN VIRGINIA CODE, DID YOU HAVE TO SET A MEETING SCHEDULE AT YOUR FIRST, IT'S YOUR FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR.
UM, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU COULD PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE AND SOME OF 'EM DO HAVE THIS, THAT IF THEY WANT TO HOLD OVER, IT'S THE NEXT, NEXT WEDNESDAY OR THE NEXT WHATEVER AND EVERYTHING IF YOU DO THAT.
SO SOME OF THE BYLAWS DO HAVE THAT IN IT.
BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S NOTHING IF YOU SAY I'M TIRED AND YOU MAKE A MOTION TO, TO STOP THE HEARINGS TONIGHT AND NOT PROCEED ANYMORE.
AFTER YOU FINISH A HEARING AND YEAH.
AND EVERYTHING I, AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO THROW OUT THAT YOU CAN STOP IT AND CONTINUE A HEARING AND UM, IT USED TO BE UNDER THE OLD CODE SECTIONS PROBABLY STILL IS TRUE THAT ONCE YOU'VE GIVEN UNDER THE OLD CODE, ONCE YOU GAVE NOTICE, CONTINUING A PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT MEETING WAS SUFFICIENT.
NOTICE THE AMBIGUITY THEY BROUGHT INTO IT TWO YEARS AGO.
I'M FORGETTING WHICH I THINK TWO NOW.
UM, THAT PROBABLY IS STILL THE CASE, BUT BEING CONSERVATIVE, WE'VE, WE COULD SEE AN ARGUMENT.
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AN AMBIGUITY IN THE VIRGINIA CODE RIGHT NOW.SO, SO ANYWAY, AND I'M PROBABLY TALKING WAY TOO MUCH.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I JUST WANNA LET Y'ALL KNOW YOU CAN, YOU CAN CONTINUE IT IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, AND YOU CAN SET UP AN ALTERNATE DATE IF YOU UNDERSTAND MAY FULL STAFF, IF THEY SEE, SO, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, IS PROBABLY WHAT SHOULD BE DONE IS THAT, UM, YOU UNDERSTAND ME JUST SET A, IF, IF A SECOND MEETING DATE HAS TO HAPPEN PER MONTH THAT IT'S LIKE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN Y'ALL'S ON THIS PLAN, WHICH SNOW DAYS DO WITHIN CLEMENT WEATHER.
IT'S, WE COULD, IT WOULD BE THE ONE WEEK FROM THE SCHEDULED MEETING DATE IS HOW WE HAVE IT SET UP FOR IN CLEMENT WEATHER.
BECAUSE I GET IT, BECAUSE IT'S SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE MEETINGS.
MARK SEEN ME WALK IN THERE AND KIND OF WRINKLE MY NOSE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE
WE, THERE WAS A SOLAR AND SOMETHING ELSE.
IT WAS ABOUT FOUR CASES AND TWO OF 'EM, THREE MAYBE IT WAS A SHOOTING RANGE AND SO ON THE SHOOTING RANGE IT WAS YEAH.
YOU KNOW, WELL AGAIN, MY, MY FEELING IS, IS JUST TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE AND NOT NECESSARILY TO DO IT, THE IDEA OF A CONTINUANCE IS ANOTHER GOOD TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.
BUT I WOULD AGAIN PREFER TO AVOID THAT UNLESS YOU ABSOLUTELY HAD TO BECAUSE OF THE NOT HAVING PEOPLE SIT HERE FOR HOURS AND THEN YOU JUST SUDDENLY SAY, WE'RE GONNA STOP AND COME BACK ANOTHER DAY.
THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM EITHER.
SO, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT, LEMME GET IT STRAIGHT 'CAUSE I, I THINK I'M CORRECT ON THIS, THAT TO ASSIST WITH APPLICANTS THAT COME IN HERE, SOMETIMES MARK MIGHT HAVE, LET'S SAY HE HAD FIVE CASES THAT WERE, HE COULD SEE THAT SEVERAL 'EM WERE CONTROVERSIAL TO GIVE STAFF THE ABILITY TO SET TWO OF 'EM THIS NIGHT AND THREE OF 'EM.
YEAH, I JUST, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT I WAS RECOMMENDING AND YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE INCLEMENT WEATHER COULD BE MODIFIED TO JUST SAY, OR AS NEEDED OR SOMETHING, UM, FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
AND AGAIN, YOU'D LIKE YOUR PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENT WOULD HAVE TO REFLECT THAT.
BUT, UM, I, ON THE NOTICE, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THIS FOR STAFF.
IF THE THINGS WE GOT TOO MANY CASES FOR THE NIGHT, GO AHEAD AND SET IT SO THAT SECOND MEETING DATE, SO WE'D ONLY HAVE YOU UNDERSTAND ME.
SO THE RIGHT FIRST AD WOULD BE SO I KNOW THAT AGAIN, THE DOWNSIDE FOR US IS HAVING TO COMMIT TO ANOTHER TIME.
BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD RATHER, I'D RATHER BE HERE TWICE FOR TWO HOURS AND BE STUCK HERE FOR FIVE HOURS.
LIKE, IT, IT HADN'T HAPPENED OFTEN, I ADMIT THAT.
BUT IT'S JUST TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY IN OUR BYLAWS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF WE NEEDED TO.
Y'ALL LIKE THAT? OR YOU THINK I'M, I'M GETTING
I'M JUST GETTING, UH, FOR SNICKETY IN THE OLD AGE.
WELL, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT IS NOT JUST FOR US EITHER.
IT'S FOR, LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK THE SHOOTING RANGE KIND OF BRINGS UP, I REMEMBER THAT NOW.
YOU HAD A LOT, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE SITTING THROUGH THAT AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM EITHER.
I'M, I GUESS I'M WORRIED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'LL HAPPEN MORE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS THAN IT DID IN THE LAST 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
SO, SO HOW DO WE GO THROUGH TO ADOPT THAT? WELL, I THINK I WOULD, MY SUGGESTION WAS THAT THERE WAS A CONSENSUS AMONG US AS A GROUP.
I THINK THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD IN THE CLARIFICATION OF MR. DREW HAD PROBABLY OFFERS YOU ALL THE GUIDANCE YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT IN A FORM OF A RECOMMENDED CHANGE TO THE, UH, FILE UP.
THEN AT OUR NEXT MEETING, BEFORE WE SET THE SCHEDULE, WE CAN IMPROVE THAT BEFORE WE SET THE SCHEDULE.
BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THE CODE SAYS YOU GOTTA DO THAT EVERY YEAR ANYWAY.
UM, UM, MR. TO MR. BARRETT VA UM, LA LAST MONTH AND MONTH BEFORE LAST, THOSE TWO CASES, I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FOLLOW UP WAS AS FAR AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE ONE WAS ABOUT THE, UM, DOLLAR GENERAL AT FORD.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT HAD THAT BEEN.
THE PROFFERS WERE AMENDED BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THE BOARD MEETING.
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A, UM, BRICK EXTERIOR ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING AS, AS RE AFTER RECEIVING COMMENT FROM YOU ALL RELATED TO THAT TOPIC.SO THEY DID AMEND THEIR PROFFERS AS PART OF THE, UM, WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AND THE, THE BOARD DID APPROVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THAT REZONING WITH THE AMENDED PROFFERS.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE WILLING TO MAKE THEM MAKE THE CHANGES ON THE BUILDING.
THEY DID MAKE THAT CHANGE IN THE PROFFERS.
I, I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME, THIS HAS KIND OF BUGGED ME FOR THE BETTER PART OF THE LAST 20 YEARS IS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GET AS MUCH INPUT HERE AT OUR MEETING TO HELP UP GUIDE US AND MAKE A BETTER DECISION.
AND AS CHAIRMAN, ONE TIME I REMEMBER GETTING CHASTISED FOR THIS 'CAUSE UM, THAT THE, THE BOARD AT THAT TIME TOLD ME AS THE CHAIRMAN, WE DIDN'T KIND OF DO A, DO OUR HOMEWORK, BUT THE ISSUE WAS WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP AT THE, YOU KNOW, AT THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
UM, THAT SHOWED UP AT THE BOARD.
WELL, THE SAME THING HAPPENED HERE.
I WAS BORED TO TEARS THAT NIGHT.
SO I DECIDED TO WATCH IT LIVE.
BUT I WATCHED THAT ONE LIVE AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME WAS THE NUMBER OF FOLKS HERE THAT WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THE, WE REMEMBER WE HAD IT TWICE BECAUSE THEY HAD TO, THEY HAD TO COME HERE TWICE.
SO THERE WAS A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WERE AT THE BOARD MEETING THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF IT.
AND ONE LADY HAD HAD WHAT, 309, UH, SIGNATURES.
AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, I LIVE 10 MILES FROM FORD.
I'M THINKING AIN'T 300 PEOPLE BETWEEN HERE AND MINE, YOU KNOW, AND FORD AND THERE AIN'T 300 PEOPLE UP YOUR ROAD.
AND SO, SO ANYWAY, I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING TO ME A LITTLE BIT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THEY GET A LOT BIGGER CROWD THAN WE DO.
AND THAT, I GUESS THAT JUST COMES WITH THE TERRITORY.
BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT HIT ME IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE WAS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS WE HAD NO, I, I TRULY THINK THAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS JUST GOING TO PASS, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING OUT IN THAT AREA.
THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS GONNA BE VOTED DOWN.
THEN I WASN'T HERE AND I TALKED WITH THE CHAIRMAN AND GOT SOME INFORMATION.
BUT BELIEVE ME, BY ME LIVING THERE, I HEARD ALL ABOUT IT AT BOTH STORES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND ACTUALLY WANTED, THE GUYS THAT SIGNED THE PAPERWORK CALLED ME.
HE SAID, OH, YOU GOING TO SIGN IT FOR? SO I'M LIKE, NO, I AIN'T SIGNING NO PAPER FOR YOU.
BUT, BUT NO, I HEARD ALL ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I KNEW, WELL COINCIDENTALLY, SOMEBODY SHOWED ME THIS WEEK A UH, A STOCK CERTIFICATE FOR THE BANK OF FORD.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, AIN'T THAT SOMETHING I SAID, I KNOW I REMEMBER THAT BANK, BUT I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT IT.
IT'S THE BANK, THE BANK OF FORD.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A BANK THERE, ONCE UPON A TIME I FOUND A STOCK CERTIFIC FROM 1918 FOR THAT BANK.
THAT'S PART OF DOING THE HISTORY THAT NEEDED TO BE PUT UP.
WELL, I GOT A PIECE OF FURNITURE THAT WAS DELIVERED TO MY FAMILY'S FARM IN 1890 SOMETHING.
I THINK 1896 WAS DROPPED OFF AT THE FORD POST OFFICE BY THE NORFOLK WESTERN RAILROAD CAME FROM CHICAGO.
THE BACK OF THE FURNITURE DESK.
SO THE NEXT ONE, MR. BASSETT WAS, WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD ANY PROPOSAL ON THE TYNDALL PROPOSAL FROM LAST MONTH.
UH, TYNDALL IS GOING TO THE BOARD NEXT TUESDAY.
NEXT OH, THEY'RE GONNA NEXT TUESDAY.
AND THERE WAS NO CHANGES TO THE PROFFERS SINCE YOU'RE ALL'S HEARING THE CASE.
THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION.
YOU KNOW, I, I DROVE BY THERE, I DROVE BY THERE THE OTHER DAY.
UH, EVERYBODY WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE DUST AND THE TRAFFIC
BUT WHEN I DROVE BY THERE, UNLESS MY DIRECTION IS OFF, WHICH COULD HAPPEN AT MY AGE NOW, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE DOING THE COMPLAINING WERE BEFORE, IF YOU'RE COMING UP OJOS ROAD, WHERE BEFORE YOU GOT TO TYNDALL, THE LAST HOUSE THAT IS BREAKING DOWN WAS THE CLOSEST THING TO THE PROPERTY.
SO I'M LIKE, WELL WHY ARE Y'ALL SCREAMING ABOUT ALL THE DUST BACK YOUR WAY? WHAT THEY WANT TO DO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR HOUSE.
I JUST COULDN'T, I I REALLY WAS FLOORED WHEN I SAW, WHEN I TOOK A SOLID LOOK AT IT.
'CAUSE WHAT THEY'RE ASKING TO DO IS SHIFT EVERYTHING
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EVEN FURTHER TOWARD THE RAILROAD TRACK.WHICH WOULD TAKE IT FURTHER AWAY FROM THEIR HOMES.
AND THEY WANNA RAISE SAND ABOUT THAT.
IT IT'S PERSPECTIVE A HUNDRED CARS A DAY.
ANOTHER HUNDRED CARS WHERE I LIVE, I THOUGHT THE WHOLE WORLD BE COMING AGAIN.
YOU AND I GO THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME.
I REALLY DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF TRASH NO MORE THAN ROAD TRASH THAT WERE ON THE ROAD.
NOT LIKE CONSTRUCTION TRASH AND ALL THAT.
AND I LOOKED FOR THAT FENCE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
NOBODY REALLY LIKES CHANGES, YOU KNOW.
CHANGES ALWAYS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO SEE THEM HAPPEN.
I SAID IT THAT NIGHT WHEN WE APPROVED IT.
I SAID, I HOPE THEY UNDERSTAND.
IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE, THE DUST AND THE NOISE IS BOTHERING YOU WAY DOWN THERE BY US LETTING THEM SHIFT IT TOWARDS THE RAILROAD MORE, WE'RE ACTUALLY HELPING YOU OUT.
BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE OTHER PIECES REZONED.
THAT WAS DONE IN TWO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THAT WAS DONE BACK IN, THAT'S A DONE DEAL.
AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP, MS. INGRAM WANTED ME TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT, TYNDALL CORPORATION HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING THIS EVENING.
UH, RELATED TO THE REZONING JUST TO FURTHER ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS.
WELL, THEY TOOK OUR COMMENTS THEN, YOU KNOW.
YOU GO THERE AND, AND WORK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS IN THE CITY.
THAT WAS MY CONCERN TO THEM TO YEAH.
I REMEMBER YOU MAKING THAT RIGHT COMMENT.
ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE, UH, WHAT CAME WITH
[11. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS]
PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS? JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, UH, MR. CULBERT HAS BEEN WORKING ON TWO OTHER, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENTS.ONE WAS, UH, FOLLOWING UP ON MR. TUS AND YOUR ALL'S CONCERN AS WELL ABOUT, UM, SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITIES.
UM, HE'S PREPARED A NEW TEXT AMENDMENT RELATED TO THAT.
AND ONE OF THE SECONDARY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT WAS THAT IN WHEREVER WE ALLOW THOSE, IN THE B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL, IN THE M1 INDUSTRIAL, UH, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, THAT WE INCLUDE THOSE AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO HE HAS DRAFTED, UM, A ZONING ORDINANCE, TEXT AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS RELATED TO THAT.
AND, UM, JUST SOME STAFF CONCERNS THAT WE HAD DIRECTLY RELATED TO, UH, SELF STORAGE, UH, FACILITIES.
SO HE HAS DRAFTED THAT ORDINANCE FOR YOU ALL.
AND WE THINKING WILL BE, UM, I GUESS INPUT FROM YOU ALL.
DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A, UH, WE CAN DO IT AS PART OF THE REGULAR MEETING, UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW THAT BEFORE WE GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, HOPEFULLY ADOPTION OF, OF THOSE TEXT AMENDMENTS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT AS PART OF YOUR, AS A SEPARATE WORKSHOP OR? I THINK, UM, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE LONG TO REVIEW, BUT WE COULD DO THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS, UNDER YOUR REGULAR MEETING.
UM, GO OVER THOSE TEXT AMENDMENTS.
I SAY WE DO IT IN A REGULAR, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT LONG, THERE'S NO NEED.
COME HERE AND SET UP FOR A 30 MINUTE MEETING OR 40 MINUTE MEETING.
I'D SAY WE JUST DO IT ONE NIGHT UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION, DO YOU? NO.
JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR GENERAL CONSENSUS ON THAT.
[10. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS (Part 2 of 2)]
REVERT BACK TO ONE COMMENT FOR MYSELF.AND IT CAME OUT OF THE, UM, THE, UH, THE WORKSHOP LAST MONTH.
UM, AND THE, THE ISSUE THAT CAME UP ABOUT THE BUILDINGS IN THE BACKYARD, THE RESIDENCE.
UM, THE FRIEND OF MINE WHO HAS PROPERTY ON 2 26, REMEMBER THE, THE PROPOSAL TO PUT THE COMPLEX ON 2 26,
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I GUESS, DID THAT FALL APART OR DID THAT, DID THAT, UM, NO, THE, UM, THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPER HAS SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN FOR A PHASE ONE AS PART OF THAT PROJECT.AND THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW.
WE HAVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE WITH ALL THE REVIEW AGENCIES HAS REVIEWED THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT AND MADE, UM, COMMENTS RELATED TO THAT.
AND MOST OF THE REVISIONS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO THAT SITE PLAN'S VERY CLOSE TO BEING APPROVED FOR PHASE ONE.
SO NOW I, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UNKNOWN AS TO WHEN THE OWNER DEVELOPER WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE SITE PLANS ONCE THEY'RE APPROVED.
SO I COULDN'T ANSWER HIS QUESTION, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE HE WANTED TO KNOW, HE, HE HAS PROPERTY THE NEAR THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE AFFECTING HIM.
AND, UM, HE, HE'S ACTUALLY LIVING IN LAS VEGAS NOW.
UM, AND THEN
HE SAID, WELL, OUT HERE WE HAVE, UM, PEOPLE HAVE LITTLE HOUSES IN THE BACKYARD THAT THEY RENT OUT.
SO, SO HE SAID, DO Y'ALL DO, DO YOU HAVE THAT? AND THEN WOULD IT, I SAID, I DON'T THINK SO,
SO I REALLY WANTED TO BRING THAT QUESTION UP IN THE WORKSHOP, BUT I I DIDN'T THINK WE, WE, WE DIDN'T COULD ENTERTAIN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORDINANCES LIKE THAT.
CURRENTLY WE DO NOT ALLOW THAT IN THE, IN OUR, ANY OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS.
THAT IS SOMETHING YOU ALL COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
OH, IT HAPPENS MORE THAN YOU THINK IT DOES WITH ALL THESE UTILITY SHEDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND IT, IT IS CALLED GRANDPA'S SHOP OR GRANDPA'S HOUSE OR WHATEVER.
I CAN TELL YOU BEING ON THE FIRESIDE, WE'VE SEEN PLENTY OF THAT.
IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE THERE AND SOME OF 'EM, THEY'VE TURNED THEM INTO ACTUALLY APARTMENTS.
THEY GOT REFRIGERATORS, STOVES AND THEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WELL YEAH, BUT TECHNICALLY BY ORDINANCE, IT'S, IT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT
SO WE CURRENTLY ALLOW GUEST HOMES, WE HAVE USE STANDARDS FOR THOSE GUEST HOMES.
THE WAY OUR, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY SET UP, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE THOSE.
UM, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DEVELOPING AN AFFIDAVIT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SIGN TO ALLOW MYSELF OR MR. HUCKABEE THE CO COMPLIANCE OFFICER TO INSPECT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS IS THEY, UH, SOMEBODY CANNOT LIVE THERE PERMANENTLY.
IT CAN ONLY BE THREE OUT OF 12 MONTHS IN A YEAR.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THAT GUEST HOME CANNOT BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL GAIN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO, TO GO AND INSPECT THESE PLACES BECAUSE THEY ARE BECOMING MORE POPULAR AS THE HOUSING PRICES GET UP.
PEOPLE ARE TRYING WAYS TO SAVE MONEY.
PEOPLE CAN BUILD A SMALLER GUEST HOME AND LIVE THERE FOR THE TIME BEING.
EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT'S A CLEAR VIOLATION.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AFFIDAVIT SO WE CAN GO AND INSPECT AND SAY, OKAY, THIS PERSON IS, IS VIOLATING THAT.
UM, THE WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF GOING ON WOULD BE OTHER PLACES CALL DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT YOU, YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
UM, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR ANOTHER RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULDN'T HAVE QUITE THOSE RESTRICTIONS AS A GUEST HOME BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT ZONING USE.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
BUT LIKE YOU ALL SAID, PEOPLE GET VERY CREATIVE ON WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU START CALLING, WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING U UNIT.
WELL, SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE AFFIDAVIT, YOU GOT AFFIDAVIT, YOU GOT MY CURIOSITY.
SO MY PERCEPTION IS YOU GOT THE 500 SQUARE MILES AND THERE'S A LOT OF THIS GOING ON.
BUT AT, AT, AT, AT TIME EQUALS ZERO.
RIGHT NOW YOU REALLY CAN'T ASK ANYBODY FOR AN AFFIDAVIT.
SO, UM, MR. BASSETT LIKES TO CALL ME THE GUEST HOUSE CZAR.
'CAUSE I BELIEVE SINCE I'VE GOTTEN HERE, I'VE HAD THREE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS THAT I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH WITH THE SIMILAR SITUATION.
UM, THERE'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY UNDER.
WE'RE OKAY WITH MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, AND BUILDING INSPECTORS GOING OUT THERE AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE UNDERNEATH THAT THRESHOLD.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S NO MORE THAN A THOUSAND AND OR IF THE, IF THE HOUSE IS UNDER 2000 SQUARE FEET, IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN HALF THE SIZE OF THE MAIN DWELLING.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THE BIG ONE.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REALLY, WE HAVE A HARD TIME POLICING
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IS THE, UM, HOW LONG THEY'RE LIVING THERE.AND, UM, IF IT'S BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL GAIN, UM, THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WE, WE REALLY HAVE NO WAY TO ENFORCE SINCE WE CAN'T ENTER THE PROPERTY.
WELL, WHERE I WAS GOING THOUGH IS I WAS GONNA SAY WITH ALL THE WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW EXISTING, YOU REALLY COULDN'T GO AND ASK FOR AN AFFIDAVIT.
UNLESS IT WAS COMPLAINT DRIVEN TO GET YOU THAT.
SO WE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, SINCE WE'RE SEEING THAT TREND OF MORE PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS, WHETHER IT BE A, A STANDALONE GUEST HOUSE, UM, I BELIEVE TWO THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, UM, SINCE I, SINCE I CAME HERE, HAVE BEEN INSIDE A GARAGE BUILDING, UM, FOR CREATING A LIVING SPACE.
UM, THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING WITH IT AND KIND OF HOW PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS AND HOW THEY WANT TO, WHAT THEY WANT TO CALL THEIR RESIDENTS.
UM, SO YOU'RE RIGHT, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE'RE KIND OF STUCK UNLESS WE GET A COMPLAINT AND WE CAN PROVE IT, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY.
BUT MOVING FORWARD, ONCE WE, IF WE CAN GET, GET SOME TEETH TO WHERE WE CAN GO AND INSPECT ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN KIND OF GET A MORE CONTROL OVER THE SITUATION.
SO BACK TO THE, ONE OF THE POINTS I THINK YOU MADE ABOUT, ABOUT LANGUAGE.
UM, SO I GUESS AS A RESULT OF THAT WORKSHOP, WE CAN EXPECT, I I I'M, I'M GUESSING THERE WOULD BE BOARD ACTION OR BOARD DESIRE FOR US TO CONSIDER SOME LANGUAGE IN IT.
'CAUSE WHEN IT GETS TO, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, WITH ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, PEOPLE GET VERY, VERY CREATIVE AND I CAN, I CAN ALREADY IMAGINE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD BE HAD ACROSS THE HALL, UM, FROM OUR OFFICE IF WE WERE TO OPEN UP THAT DOOR.
UM, SO 'CAUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE, WE ONLY ALLOW ONE PRIMARY DWELLING ON A PROPERTY AT ONE TIME.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, IT WOULDN'T BE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY BE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, MORE THAN WHAT SAY A GUEST HOUSE.
I YOU TALK ABOUT THE FIRE THING, BUT DENNIS HILL SAYING A COUPLE YEARS AGO, GO AND GETTING A, RESPONDING TO A CALL AND IF SOMEBODY HAD SOME KIND OF MEDICAL ISSUE IS IN A, IS IN A STORAGE CONTAINER,
I RAPIDLY, I HOPE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEVER CHANGES AND THAT IS BEING GRATEFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO ASSIST YOU IN DOING YOUR JOB.
I WANNA SAY US THANK YOU AT MERRY CHRISTMAS TO PLANNING STAFF AND ALL ASSOCIATED WITH YOU.
I WILL BE FOR YEARS THAT WE NO LONGER PROVIDE THE EVENING PARTY, HOLIDAY PARTY.
YOU, YOU JUST GOT TO FIX HIM ONE CATCH LOOSE HOUSE FOR CHRISTMAS.
HUH? HE DIDN'T BRING YOU ONE THROUGH YOUR HOUSE FOR CHRISTMAS.
WELL, THAT WASN'T TRYING TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT I'M NOT GONNA EVER TURN IT DOWN.
I, I, I MEAN I HOPE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE NEVER TAKE FOR GRANTED IS THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO, UH, TO MAKE US DO OUR WORK BETTER.
AND I, I THINK SOMETHING NEVER SHOULD CHANGE.
THAT IS THE, THE ABILITY OF US TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU, ESPECIALLY AT THIS TIME OF YEAR.
WE WISH YOU ALL A MERRY, MERRY CHRISTMAS.
I WANT MY WAWA
IF I GET ME A WAWA AND A BOJANGLES OUT THERE, THINK I COULD BE COMFORTABLE
I DON'T NO LONGER NEED A RED LIGHT SINCE
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I DONE FOUND ANOTHER WAY TO I ANOTHER ONE.YOU CAN HANG ON YOUR CHRISTMAS TREE SINCE I FOUND A WAY TO GET OUTTA THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HANG THAT ON YOUR CHRISTMAS TREE.
THAT, THAT, THAT GOES ON THE TREE.
IF YOU WANT YOU, YOU JUST GOT A SHEETS.
YOU JUST GOT A SHEETS DOWN ON FOUR 60.
WHAT? DO YOU SHEET THE SHEETS? NO, YOU CUSSING ME.
WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE PLACE? DID YOU SAY? S**T? YOU'RE RIGHT.
YEAH, I JUST GOT 25 GALLONS OF AT 2 27 TODAY.
YEAH, WE GOT, WE GOT A SHEETS.
BUT YOU STILL WANT WE WANT FOUR JINGLES.
THEN WE'LL FEEL LIKE WE'RE GROWING UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT LOCATION DO YOU WANT THEM IN OUT HERE? WELL, YOU CAN PUT THE WAWA ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SHEETS
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.
I'VE DRIVEN BY THIS SPOT BESIDE THAT HOTEL.
I CAN'T SEE NOWHERE WAY IN THE WORLD THEY GONNA PUT A BOJANGLES IN THERE.
I'M SORRY IF THAT'S NOT THE SPOT THEY WERE GONNA USE.
BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST, IT'S JUST ME WISHING FOR SANTA CLAUS IT'S BOW TIME FOR YOU.
ARE WE WINNING GAMES TOO? YEAH.
UM, I, I DO WANT TO WISH EVERYONE MERRY CHRISTMAS AND I GUESS I, I WAS LOOKING TONIGHT TO DO THE, THE YEAR END BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN NEXT, NEXT MONTH.
ON, ON JAN IN JANUARY THE NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? MM.
LIKE WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, BYLAWS AND THAT STUFF.
AND I, IT LOOKS LIKE SINCE SOME VICE I WILL, I BE TAKING OVER IN JANUARY.
SO I GUESS MR. TIPMAN MUST HAVE PLANNED IN THERE FOR ME TO GET, GET WARM, GET MY FEET WARM TONIGHT.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE.
WHO, WHO'S IN LINE FOR ADVICE? MR. CHAIR? UH, I WILL SAY, UH, I THINK MR. TIP, MISS, HE, HIS WIFE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY AND THEY HAD TO GO OUT OF TOWN.
AND HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT AND EVERYTHING.
UH, SO I WISH HIM SAFE TRAVELS AND ALL Y'ALL, A FEW TRAVELING FOR THE HOLIDAYS.
AND MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL.
YEAH, I KNOW MR. T'S NOT HERE, BUT HE DID A GOOD JOB OF LEADING THIS GROUP.
I APPRECIATE HIS EFFORTS AS WELL AS ALL OF YOUR STAFF AND ALL OF IT'S BE HARD TO FILL Y'ALL.
AYE WE ARE ADJOURNED GENTLEMEN.