[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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WE JUST WANT CALL A MEETING.WE WANT TO STAND AND DO A PLEDGE OF ANCE TO THE FLAG OF OUR HOMELESS HOUSE PLEDGE FOR TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
LIKE TO HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
UH, NUMBER FOUR IS, UM, THE APPROVAL OF A, THE AGENDA.UM, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? I THINK MR. BASSETT HAS A CHANGE.
MR. CHAIR, ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.
I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDED CHANGE TO THE AGENDA, UM, ASKING IF THE, UM, I HAD SPOKEN TO YOU EARLIER ABOUT, UM, HALEY KEEN HAS A END OF THE YEAR, CALENDAR YEAR REPORT FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, AND, UM, SHE, SHE HAS A PRESENTATION FOR YOU ALL THIS EVENING.
UM, I HAD TOLD YOU WE WOULD PUT IT AFTER, UM, CITIZEN COMMENTS, BUT NOW, UM, WE'D LIKE TO PUT IT UNDER NEW BUSINESS AND HEAR HER REPORT UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
SO ASKING THAT YOU AMEND THE AGENDA TO HEAR HER YEAR END REPORT UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA AS MR. BASSETT HAS INDICATED TO PUT THE PRESENTATION AT THE NEW BUSINESS.
SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING? AYE.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OKAY.WITH THE ADDITION TO THE, UH, AGENDA, CAN WE GET AN APPROVAL? I THOUGHT THAT WAS IT, MR. CHAIR.
DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? ANYBODY LOOKED AT THE, UH, MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH? HEARING NONE.
VO THIS IS THE TIME FOR CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
SIR, HAS ONLY ONE SIGNED UP? I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
IN THAT CASE, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS
[7. PUBLIC HEARING]
AND WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO THE FIRST CASE, MR. BASSETT.PLANNING COMMISSIONERS EVENING.
SO, UH, BEFORE I START THE, UH, BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE CASE, UH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MR. WESLEY BRADSHAW IS HERE THIS EVENING.
HE'S THE APPLICANT'S AGENT AND HE'LL BE, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT AGENT THIS EVENING, HE'LL, HE'LL BE, UH, ABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
UH, THE REQUESTED REZONING IS IN THE, UH, WEST PETERSBURG, UH, AREA NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE, UH, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE, UH, SIX INDIVIDUAL, UH, LOTS TAX MAP PARCELS FROM RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE TO RESIDENTIAL URBAN RU, UH, SIMILAR WITH THE OTHER CASES IN THE WEST PETERSBURG, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU ALL HAVE CONSIDERED.
UM, OVER THE PAST, UH, COUPLE YEARS.
UM, ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, OF COURSE, IS OWNED.
R ONE RESIDENTIAL AND AGAIN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OWNED.
R ONE RESIDENTIAL, I CAN'T BELIEVE I DID THAT.
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WIDE BY A HUNDRED FEET DEEP.AND, UM, SOME OF THESE LOTS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE PAST CASES.
UM, THEY ARE, A COUPLE OF THE LOTS ARE DEEPER THAN A HUNDRED FEET.
UM, LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, THE PROPERTY UNDER REVIEW IS, UM, WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AREA.
AND THIS GENERAL AREA IS EXPECTED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE RU DISTRICT, UM, WAS CREATED, UM, FOR AREAS SUCH AS THE WEST PETERSBURG AREA IN THE COUNTY, UM, WHERE YOU HAVE, UM, EXISTING SMALLER LOTS AND, UM, WHERE INFILL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON THESE SMALLER LOTS.
UM, THE TOWN CENTER AREA ALSO ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS GENERAL AREA.
UM, THUS THE PROPERTY BEING LOCATED IN THE EXISTING WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVING ACCESS TO THE DIMITY COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY AND SEWER SYSTEM, THIS AREA MAY BE CONSIDERED A GOOD AREA FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.
UM, LOOKING WHEN WE TOOK THE REQUEST TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
UM, AS WITH ALL OUR OTHER CASES, UM, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE IN THE AREA AND, UM, THE USE OF PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES IS BEING UTILIZED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND IT'S THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT, UH, TO COMBINE THE SUBJECT LOTS PROPERTIES SO THAT A DWELLING MAY BE LOCATED ON ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL LOT.
UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE MR. LANGLEY HAD ASKED ABOUT THE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA OF WEST PETERSBURG AND AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WE DID ASK THE WATER AUTHORITY STAFF ABOUT THAT.
UM, THEY SAID THIS AREA IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE, THEIR BETTER AREAS, UH, WHERE THEY HAVE CAPACITY FOR DEVELOPMENT WITH WATER AND SEWER.
UM, SO, UM, AGAIN, THEY JUST INDICATED, UH, THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS AREA, UM, RELATED TO THEIR SUBJECT WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.
THERE WERE NO TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, UM, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP RELATED TO THE, UH, SUBJECT REZONING.
EACH, UH, AS EACH PROPERTY'S DEVELOPED, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE PERMIT FROM BO FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REZONING REQUESTS THIS EVENING, GIVEN THAT THE RESIDENTIAL URBAN ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THE RRU ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THE EXISTING LOTS WITHIN THE URBAN AREA, INCLUDING THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION, RU RESIDENTIAL URBAN CONFORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THIS GENERAL AREA AS SET FORTH IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
MR. PASSARD, UH, DO ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BASSETT? THANK YOU.
I KNOW I'M GONNA NOW OPEN, UM, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE IS ANYONE SIGNED UP? MR. GDY FOR PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
MR. CHAIR? UH, NO ONE SIGNED UP.
THEN IS THIS THE APPLICANT AGENT FOR THIS CASE? MM-HMM
HE MAY WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
MR. CHAIR, DOES ANYONE THE APPLICANT AGENT RIGHT HERE, IS THERE ANYONE? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, SIR? NO, SIR.
JUST APPRECIATE Y'ALL HAVING ME.
SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO I, I GUESS NOW WE'LL OPEN FOR, UH, VOTES.
UH, THAT IS CORRECT, MR. CHAIR
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COMMENT AND COMMISSIONERS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.22 DASH 2 2 8 6 A SEVEN.IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT REZONING P DASH 25 DASH THREE BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
VOTING ON P 25 DASH STREET HAS BEEN APPROVED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO CASE B MR. BASSETT.
UH, THE FIRST CASE, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE, TEXT AMENDMENT.
UH, MR. CULBERT IS GONNA PRESENT, UH, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT AS WELL AS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
MR. CHAIR P COMMISSION MEMBERS, I'M HERE TO PRESENT, UH, ZONING AMENDMENT A DASH 25 DASH ONE.
UM, THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADD THE USE OF A SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
UM, THIS IS THE SAME ORDINANCE, UM, THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU ALL BACK IN JANUARY AS A PART OF NEW BUSINESS.
UM, AS A QUICK REMINDER, UM, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN CURRENTLY USING, UH, THE INTERPRETATION OF WHOLESALE BUSINESS AND STORAGE WAREHOUSE, UM, TO ALLOW THIS USE WITHIN THE COUNTY.
UM, THAT USE IS ALLOWED BY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE B TWO DISTRICT AND BY WRIGHT IN M1 DISTRICT.
UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS OVER, UM, NOT BEING ABLE TO PUT CERTAIN CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTIES, UM, THAT WERE IN M1.
UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE HERE HAS CREATED A NEW, UM, USE CALLED SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
UM, IT WILL BE A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN BOTH B TWO AND M1.
AND THE DEFINITION IS AS FOLLOWED.
A BUILDING OR GROUPS OF BUILDINGS DIVIDED INTO SEPARATE COMPARTMENTS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE RENTAL STORAGE SPACE.
EACH STORAGE SPACE SHALL BE ENCLOSED BY WALLS AND CEILING AND MAY HAVE A, MAY HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE FOR THE LOADING AND UNLOADING OF STORED GOODS, AND SHALL NOT BE PREFABRICATED STRUCTURES ARRANGED ON A LOT THE CONDUCT OF SALES BUSINESS OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITY WITH ANY INDIVIDUAL STORAGE UNITS OTHER THAN STORAGE SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN B TWO AND M1.
THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO THIS OF THIS FOR YOU ALL.
YEP, IT IS IT NOT ALLOWED IN M TWO? UH, BECAUSE IT'S ALLOWED IN M1, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN M TWO AND THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO GET A CUP.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT WOULD COVER IF IT CAME IN AN M TWO AS WELL? YEP.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, DO WE ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION ON THIS CASE? MR. CHAIR? PUBLIC HEARING? JUST OPEN AND CLOSE, LIKE TO OPEN AND PUBLIC HEARING SINCE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NONE WE WANT TO CLOSE IT.
MOTION TO ACCEPT I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 5 AND 15.2 2 2 86 A SEVEN, THE DENWITY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS OF THE OPINION THAT THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, GOOD ZONING PRACTICE WARRANT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE DENWITY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HEREBY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
A DASH 25 DASH ONE AS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
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YES.SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING HONOR.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO CASE A DASH 25 DASH TWO.
A DASH 25 DASH TWO IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, AMENDING AND REENACTING SECTION 22 DASH 19, THE PENALTIES AND VIOLATIONS AND CONTINUOUS VIOLATIONS SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, THIS IS THE SAME DRAFT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU BACK IN JANUARY.
UM, WE RECENTLY, UH, WERE IN COURT FOR A ZONING VIOLATION WHERE THERE WAS A CONTRADICTION BETWEEN OUR ORDINANCE AND WHAT THE STATE CODE SAID.
UM, LUCKILY WE WERE ABLE, THE JUDGE WAS ABLE TO WORK IT IN OUR FAVOR TO, TO GET THE RESULT WE WANTED, BUT WE FOUND THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME THROUGH AND CLEAN SOME STUFF UP.
SO, UM, I'LL READ THROUGH THIS.
UH, WHAT'S BEING TAKEN OUT AND WHAT'S BEING ADDED? SO WHAT'S STAYING IS ANY PERSON, WHETHER AS PRINCIPAL, AGENT, EMPLOYEE, OR OTHERWISE VIOLATING OR CAUSING OR PERMITTING THE VIOLATION OF, OF ANY OF THE PROVISIONS THAT THIS CHAPTER SHALL BE GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR.
THAT LANGUAGE IS BEING RETAINED.
WHAT'S BEING TAKEN OUT IS, AND UPON CONVICTION THEREOF, SHALL BE PUNISHED BY A FINE OF NOT LESS THAN 10 AND NOT MORE THAN $250.
SUCH PERSON SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE GUILTY OF A SEPARATE OFFENSE FOR EACH DAY DURING WHICH ANY PORTION OF VIOLATION IS CHAPTER AS COMMITTED, CONTINUED, OR PERMITTED BY SUCH PERSON AND SHALL BE PUNISHABLE AS HERE AND PROVIDED.
UM, THAT STATEMENT WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH THIS PUNISHABLE BY A FINE, IF NOT MORE THAN $1,000.
IF THE VIOLATION IS UNCORRECTED AT THE TIME OF THE CONVICTION.
THE COURT SHALL ORDER THE VIOLATOR TO ABATE OR REMEDY TO VIOLATION IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE WITHIN A TIME PERIOD ESTABLISHED BY THE COURT.
FAILURE TO REMOVE AND ABATE A ZONING VIOLATION WITHIN A SPECIFIED TIME PERIOD SHALL CONSTITUTE A SEPARATE MISDEMEANOR OFFENSE PUNISHABLE BY A FINE, IF NOT MORE THAN $1,000, ANY SUCH FAILURE DURING A SECEDING 10 DAY PERIOD.
SO CONSTITUTE A SEPARATE MISDEMEANOR OFFENSE, PUNISHABLE BY FIVE, NOT MORE THAN $1,500 IN ANY SUCH FAILURE DURING A SECEDING 10, 10 DAY PERIOD SHALL CONSTITUTE A SEPARATE MISDEMEANOR OFFENSE FOR EACH 10 DAY PERIOD, PUNISHABLE BY FIVE, NOT MORE THAN $2,000.
UM, BY ADDING THIS TO THIS ORDINANCE, UM, IT GI IT PUTS US IN LINE WITH, UH, THE STATE CODE THAT THIS IS REFERENCING, UM, AND WILL ALLOW, UM, THE JUDGE WHOEVER'S SITTING THAT DAY WHEN WE TAKE A, A ZONING VIOLATION TO COURT TO ORDER AN ABATEMENT.
SO THEREFORE, IT'S A COURT ORDERED ENDING OF, OF THE, OF THE, UM, VIOLATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
I'M GONNA OPEN PUBLIC HEARING, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE? WILL DO IT.
I'LL YOU CAN'T I NO, YOU CAN AHEAD.
I JUST WILL KEEP ON, KEEP GOING.
WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.22285 AND 15.22286 A SEVEN, THE DEITY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS OF THE OPINION THAT THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, GOOD ZONING PRACTICE WARRANT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
NOW THEREFORE BEING RESOLVED THAT THE DENWOODY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HEREBY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT A DASH 25 DASH TWO AS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO OLD BUSINESS.
IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? I HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS.
MR. CHAIR, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT Y'ALL AND, UH, ASK Y'ALL'S FORGIVENESS.
I'VE GOT A TWO HOUR DRIVE TO THE WEST AND I'M GETTING TOO OLD TO TRAVEL TOO LATE AT NIGHT, SO, UH, OKAY, SIR, BE CAREFUL.
I HATE TO MISS YOUR PRESENTATION AND NO SLIGHT TO YOU.
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THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH.I SAW A LITTLE ICE COMING THIS WAY THIS MORNING, BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT DAY ANYMORE.
[9. NEW BUSINESS]
OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE, UH, THE NEW BUSINESS PART, BUT WE ARE GONNA BE, UM, GOING INTO A PRESENTATION AT THIS POINT.WE'RE HAVING A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK RECESS.
I CAN LISTEN TO 35 MINUTES OR, OKAY.
SO ARE WE READY NOW, MA'AM? YES.
WE READY FOR YOUR PRESENTATION? AWESOME.
THANK YOU ALL AND GOOD EVENING.
UM, AS MR. BASSETT SAID EARLIER, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON, UM, DATA AND STATISTICS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FROM THE YEAR 2024.
UM, I'VE DIVIDED IT UP INTO FOUR CHAPTERS, UM, AND SOME OF THESE ARE INTERACTIVE MAPS.
SO IF YOU WERE REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION, YOU COULD PULL THIS UP LATER AND, UM, LOOK AT ALL OF THIS DATA IN, UM, LIKE A COOL GEOGRAPHIC CONTEXT.
UM, FIRST I'M GONNA GO OVER THE APPROVED REZONINGS AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR THE YEAR 2024.
UM, I HAVE THEM ALL MAPPED OUT HERE.
WE'VE GOT THE CHEAN ANIMAL HOSPITAL AND FERNDALE ROAD STORAGE DOWN HERE.
WE'VE GOT, UH, THREE REZONING CASES THAT WERE IN WEST PETERSBURG.
THERE'S A FEW MORE INCLUDING THE TYNDALL REZONING I, THE DOLLAR GENERAL OFF CLAY STREET ROAD.
THOSE WERE ALL THE REZONINGS AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
NEXT CHAPTER IS THE FAMILY DIVISIONS.
THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR PRESENTATION.
UM, JUST A SCROLL THROUGH OF ALL OF THE FAMILY DIVISIONS.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE BECAUSE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LESS SUBSTANTIVE THAN THE REZONINGS, BUT, UM, THERE WERE SEVEN FAMILY DIVISIONS IN 2024 ALL SHOWN HERE.
UM, THE NEXT CHAPTER IS REALLY JUST DATA POINTS AND STATISTICS.
UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SLIDESHOW TYPE PRESENTATION.
UM, WE'LL START WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENTS.
LAST YEAR WE HAD THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT, UM, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN DECEMBER.
UM, HERE'S SOME MORE SPECIFIC STATISTICS.
ADDRESSES ASSIGNED BUSINESS LICENSES, UM, PLAT REVIEW, JUST DIFFERENT PERMITTING AND, UM, REVIEWING AND LICENSES THAT WERE ISSUED.
I ALSO HAVE CODE COMPLIANCE STATISTICS ON HERE FOR 2024.
UM, 540 TOTAL INSPECTIONS AND RE-INSPECTIONS LAST YEAR.
AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST CHAPTER HERE IS, UM, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE COUNTY BY DISTRICT.
UM, THIS IS BOTH A MAP THAT SHOWS, UM, ALL DISTRICTS AND ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION BY TYPE IN EACH DISTRICT TAKING A MOMENT TO LOAD BECAUSE IT HAS MORE DATA IN IT.
UM, AND I'VE ALSO CREATED SOME CHARTS THAT, UM, SHOW HOW MANY BREAK IT DOWN BY DISTRICT, WHAT PERCENTAGE,
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UM, EACH DISTRICT HAS, UH, THEIR SHARE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.UM, SO HERE YOU CAN SEE, LOOKS LIKE DISTRICT FOUR, UM, SAW THE MOST CONSTRUCTION, ALMOST A THIRD OF THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE COUNTY, 30%.
UM, AND THEN HERE I HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY DISTRICT.
HERE'S DISTRICT ONE AND THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT EACH DISTRICT SAW.
SO, UM, 87% OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN DISTRICT ONE WAS STICK-BUILT RESIDENTIAL.
AND UM, THERE WERE THREE MANUFACTURED HOMES.
DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT TWO HAD 16 STICK-BUILT RESIDENTIAL AND JUST ONE OTHER TYPE OF, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WAS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THREE.
DISTRICT THREE SAW A PRETTY GOOD MIX OF NEW CONSTRUCTION TYPES.
UM, STILL THE VAST MAJORITY BEING STICK-BUILT RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BUT THERE WERE SIX MANUFACTURED HOMES, ONE COMMERCIAL AND ONE IN THE OTHER CATEGORY, WHICH IS RAIL RAILROAD EQUIPMENT.
IN THIS CASE DISTRICT FOUR 78% STICK BUILT RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S 26 HOMES AND SEVEN MANUFACTURED HOMES.
AND THEN FINALLY, DISTRICT FIVE, VERY SIMILARLY TO EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, ABOUT 89% OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN DISTRICT FIVE WAS STICK-BUILT RESIDENTIAL.
AND THERE WAS ONE COMMERCIAL, UM, NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT RATHER.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF APPLYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF, OF TECHNIQUE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH A GIS AND ALL.
UM, ONE THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, BY ELECTION DISTRICT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT TO ME THAT'S NOT REALLY MEANINGFUL.
YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, THE DISTRICT I LIVE IN IS JUST SO VAST.
IT'S, IT'S JUST, UH, UH, AND I LEARNED THIS LAST YEAR IS NAME OF THE DISTRICT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN CHURCH ROAD OR SOMEWHERE OVER AT THE LAKE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY TO KEEP TRACK OF THIS IN SUCH A WAY THAT NEXT TIME WE DO OUR COMP PLAN UPDATE, WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF LAND, UH, THE EXISTING LAND USE.
AND, AND A COUPLE THINGS THAT CAME TO MIND, FOR INSTANCE, WERE LET'S SAY THERE'S A PREPONDERANCE OF, OF DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA THAT WE IDENTIFIED FOR FUTURE GROWTH, THEN WE, WE KNOW WE HIT THE TARGET RIGHT AS WE'VE CHECKED THE BOX.
IF ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON IN A PARTICULAR AREA, I WOULD SUBMIT THAT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO RECONSIDER THAT AND, UH, TAKE IT OFF THE FUTURE GROWTH AREA OR, OR JUST, I'M JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS HERE, BUT SOMETHING TO TIE IT TO EXISTING LAND USE SO THAT WE CAN BETTER LOOK AT FUTURE LAND.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KEEP TRACK OF IT, LIKE RECORDING IT.
UM, BUT I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND THAT IN A WAY THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND, AND LOOK AT IT FOR, UH, COMP PLAN PURPOSES.
WELL, I WOULD PIGGYBACK WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING LOT SIZE OR AT LEAST ROAD FRONTAGE SIZE IN A TWO DISTRICTS TO KEEP HOUSES FROM GOING THERE.
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHEN WE DID THAT, BUT, BUT DO WE KNOW, IS THAT, IS THAT INFORMATION REALLY TIED TO THAT? I MEAN, I I FEEL LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE, OR 50% OR MORE OF THOSE HOUSES WERE IN A TWO OR, BUT NO, WHAT I MEANT WAS I'D LIKE TO, I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE FRONTAGE WAS ON THOSE, FOR INSTANCE, JUST TO SEE, SEE WHAT IT WAS, WAS IT RIGHT? MAYBE WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT OR WHATEVER.
THOSE ARE BOTH REALLY GOOD POINTS AND BOTH TYPES OF ANALYSIS THAT COULD TOTALLY BE DONE WITH THIS DATA.
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SO THANK YOU.SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M, I'M THE ONE WHO SIGNS OFF ON ALL OF THESE.
AND FROM THE TREND I'M SEEING, UH, IS THE MAJORITY OF THESE LOTS, UM, THAT ARE BEING BUILT ON OUR EXISTING, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE EXISTING, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO NOT NEW LOTS BEING GENERATED VERY SLIM.
THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE ARE, UM, THERE'S PRO, THERE'S PROPERTY THAT COMES UP FOR SALE ALL THE TIME.
AS YOU KNOW, WE GET THOSE PHONE CALLS.
EVERYBODY THINKS THAT THEY CAN GET 10, 15, 20 LOTS.
UM, WE EXPLAIN TO THEM THE PROCESS.
WE TELL THEM, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS PROBABLY ALL YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET.
UM, BUT THE MA THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ONES I SEE ARE EXISTING LOTS.
WHETHER THEY HAVE NO ROAD FRONTAGE, EXISTING ROAD FRONTAGE OR OR WHATNOT.
AND JUST QUICKLY REFRESH ME ON THE FAM, SINCE THERE WERE WHAT, SEVEN FAMILY DIVISIONS I THINK SHOWN IN THIS MM-HMM
DO THEY HAVE TO MEET THE SAME SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AS THE INITIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY? LIKE IN A TWO, LET'S SAY I HAVE, FOR ME IT'D BE EITHER SIX OR MORE ACRES TO BE ABLE TO DO A FAMILY DIVISION IN A TWO.
INITIALLY I COULD HAVE BUILT WITH 300 FOOT OF ROAD FRONTAGE AT THE SETBACK, OR 300 FOOT AT THE SETBACK.
I SHOULDN'T SAY ROAD FRONTAGE.
IF I WANT TO CHOP OFF THREE ACRES AS A FAMILY DIVISION, DO THEY HAVE TO NOW GO BY THE 400 FOOT AT THE SETBACK RULE OR UNDER A FAMILY DIVISION? YOU DON'T GO BY THAT.
I BELIEVE THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE, THE ROAD FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT.
IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT OTHER THAN THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENT? THEY HAVE TO MEET THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENT OF THREE ACRES.
RIGHT? AND, AND WITH THE FAMILY DIVISION, TECHNICALLY IF YOU HAD 12, YOU COULD CREATE FOUR UM, REQUIREMENTS.
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IF I FORGET ANY, PLEASE, UH, HOP IN MR. BASSETT.
UM, FIRST ONE, THEY HAVE TO OWN THE PROPERTY FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY CAN DO THE FAMILY DIVISION.
REMEMBER THAT, UM, ONCE THEY'VE DIVIDED IS FIVE OR FIVE, FIVE YEARS, UM, BEFORE THE PROPERTY CAN BE SOLD OFF SEPARATELY.
SO, UM, JUST ONE THING RIGHT THERE, I JUST WANNA REMIND, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WE WERE TWO AND TWO AND WENT TO TWO AND FIVE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
EVEN THOUGH I PROPOSED 10 AND 10 AND I THINK STATE STATUTE STILL ALLOWS FOR 15 AND 15, RIGHT? YES.
JUST WANNA KEEP THAT IN THE BACK THERE.
SO THEY HAVE TO MEET THE THREE ACRE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
UM, THEY AREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY SORT OF TYPE OF ROAD FRONTAGE.
UM, IF, IF THEY ARE CREATING A LOT THAT'S LANDLOCKED, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 50 FOOT EXCLUSIVE, UM, ACCESS EASEMENT THAT CAN ONLY BE ACCESS THAT, THAT THEY CAN ONLY USE FOR THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW PHONE CALLS ABOUT DOING FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS ON THINGS SUCH AS PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS OR EXISTING EASEMENTS.
WE'VE ALL TOLD THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO ACQUIRE A NEW EASEMENT THAT THEY CAN'T USE AN EXISTING ONE.
UM, AM I FORGETTING ANYTHING? AN EASEMENT OR A RIGHT OF AWAY RIGHT AWAY OR AN EASEMENT? EASEMENT.
I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE LENIENT WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, THE ONLY PEOPLE ON THAT EASEMENT ARE FAMILY.
I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE EA LITTLE, UH, LAX ON THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS, UH, ANY TYPE OF LANDLOCKED PARCEL THAT'S BEING CREATED DUE TO FAMILY SUBDIVISION, THEY NEED A 50 FOOT EASEMENT.
AND THAT HAS TO BE ON THE PLAT THAT, UH, MARK APPROVES.
SO, SO MATT, YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER.
I WANT TO EXPLORE JUST A LITTLE FURTHER, AND THAT IS, UH, UM, A CASE IN POINT.
I REMEMBER TALKING TO MARK AT THE TIME, IT'S BEEN, I DON'T KNOW, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT I'M SITTING HERE THINKING, OKAY, WHY ARE THESE HOUSES BEING PUT ON THESE TEENY TINY LOTS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, LIKE SORT OF NEAR WHERE I LIVE? AND IT AMAZED ME WHEN I ASKED MARK ABOUT IT THAT THE SUBDIVISION HAD BEEN PLANTED IN 1966 AND, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAD EVER HAPPENED.
IS IT, IS IT, IS IT REASONABLE SPECULATION RIGHT NOW THAT FOLKS ARE TRYING TO, TO SCOUR ALL SUCH LOTS THAT ARE OUT THERE EXISTING TO DO WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ON EXISTING LOTS? IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? I BELIEVE THERE IS PROBABLY A PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, POPULATION THAT WE SEE IN THE COUNTY THAT IS ACTIVELY SEARCHING FOR LOTS THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE BUILDABLE AT LEAST ONE, MAYBE MORE.
UM, WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME THAT THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO GO RUNNING OUT OF LOTS.
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UM, SO THAT'S THE PART B OF MY QUESTION IS WHEN DO YOU THINK I I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER Y'ALL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF YOU THINK I'M WRONG ABOUT THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN YOU THINK THAT TIPPING POINT IS COMING SO THAT WE CAN START BEING, GETTING READY FOR IT.I WOULD SAY IT'S VERY SOON, UNLESS TIMBER COMPANIES START SELLING, I THINK WHEN TIMBER COMPANIES START SELLING, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF LARGE TRACKS AT TIMBER THAT HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF ROAD FRONTAGE.
WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT IF THEY EVER DECIDE TO SELL AND THE RIGHT PERSON HAS THE RIGHT RIGHT FUNDS TO PURCHASE IT, I THINK YOU MIGHT SEE IT THEN.
BUT EVEN THEN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUB, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL YEAH, YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, A HUNDRED ACRES, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET 5, 4, 4, 5, 4, 4 4 PER A HUNDRED ACRES.
THE PLAT REVIEW LAST MONTH IS INDICATIVE OF THAT.
NOW THERE IS THE SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN AND DOES A FAMILY DIVISION AND HE HAS A HUGE FAMILY AND THEY HAVE A LONG TERM PLAN.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I REMINDED EVERYBODY THAT TWO IN FIVE WAS A COMPROMISE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY, I THINK THE LAST TIME I REMEMBER BRINGING THIS UP, YOU FELT LIKE WHAT WE DID THAT TIME WAS, WAS WORKING FINE.
AND IT STILL SEEMS TO BE OKAY.
THE FAMILY DIVISIONS WERE DOING DO SEEM TO BE FOR FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEY ARE EITHER MOVING BACK TO THE COUNTY OR, OR YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE COUNTY LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO LIVE.
AND THE THEY ALL, THEY, NONE OF THE ONES WE'VE DONE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE DOING IT FOR PROFIT.
THEY ARE LEGITIMATELY DOING FAMILY DIVISIONS FOR THEIR IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS TO COME LIVE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
I GUESS, UM, MY TAKE FROM THE PRESENTATION IS THE, UM, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT THREE WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE A VERY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF STICK BILL HOMES VERSUS MANUFACTURING HOMES.
UM, I WAS, UH, FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE IN, IN THE MIDST OF A PRESENTATION GIVEN BY MS. INGRAM MORGAN THIS PAST WEEK, AND THEY INDICATED THAT, UM, CHESTERFIELD IS FULL OR PEOPLE THAT LEAVING OUT OF CHESTERFIELD IN THE RICHMOND AREAS, UM, HOPE WELL, AND THEN THE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO DENWOODY.
SO, UM, THESE LOTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND, AND, AND BUILDING THE HOMES AND PEOPLE MOVING IN, THAT'S, UH, GOOD OUTLOOK FOR DENWOODY COUNTY.
UM, I BELIEVE THE MAXIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENT IS WORKING FOR US RIGHT NOW TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL.
WE'RE TRYING, UM, AS WELL AS THE FAMILY DIVISION BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME WHEN I EXPLAIN TO THEM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY NOW THAT'S A SEVEN YEAR WAIT, YOU GOTTA WAIT TWO YEARS DUE TO DIVISION AND YOU GOTTA WAIT FIVE.
SO THAT'S, IT'S WORKING IN, IN RE IN RETAINING THE, THE RURAL ASPECT OF A TWO.
UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE FED UP WITH ALL OF OUR ARGUE REZONINGS THAT WE PRESENT TO YOU ALL, BUT, UM, I KNOW WE HAVE, WE HAD ONE SUBMITTED TODAY AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ANOTHER APPLICANT FOR ANOTHER, SO THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE IN THAT AREA.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME, UH, SUBDIVISIONS I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING ONE, ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED.
UM, NO TIMELINE ON WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE GETTING THE BALL ROLLING.
UH, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT IN HOUSE.
BUT, UM, AS FAR AS IT GOES IN A TWO, I THINK THAT, UH, THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IS WORKING THE WAY WE WANT IT TO AND IT'S GONNA PROTECT US WHEN THOSE DO, WHEN THOSE BIG TIMBER COMPANIES DO SELL IF, IF THEY SELL WITH THOSE LARGE TRACKS OF LAND.
ANY MORE COMMENTS? ANY THOUGHTS ON THE APARTMENT COMPLEX WHEN IT'S GONNA BE BUILT? BELIEVE THE LAST UPDATE WE HAD WAS CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN JUNE, JUNE, JUNE, JUNE.
BELIEVE THAT WAS THE, WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
SO SINCE MR. TUS BROUGHT THAT UP, WHEN SOMETHING'S REZONED, DOES THE SIGN HAVE TO STAY ON THE PROPERTY OR IT'S NEVER PICKED UP BECAUSE I'VE
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BEEN GETTING ASKED QUESTIONS, IS IT GOING TO, IS THE APARTMENTS COMING BECAUSE THEY SEE THE ZONING SIGN STILL OUT FRONT? WELL THAT WAS THE PLAN REVIEW OR WHATEVER THAT THEY SUBMITTED PLANS.YEAH, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE PLAN REVIEW SIGN.
YEAH, WE HAVE A REZONING SIGN AND THEN WE HAVE A PLAN REVIEW SIGN THAT WE POST AS WELL.
SO USUALLY UNTIL THE PLAN REVIEW'S COMPLETE, WE LEAVE THAT PLAN REVIEW SIGN UP.
AND WE'RE STILL IN A NEW BUSINESS.
UM, IS THERE ANY MORE NEW BUSINESS? ANY NEW BUSINESS? I NO NEW BUSINESS.
I JUST KIND OF WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO PREPARE FOR.
I, I SAW SOMETHING IN THE NEWS ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT NOW, BUT THIS, UH, COMMERCIAL VENUE WANTING TO MOVE FROM AMELIA TO DENWOOD.
AND THEN I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEING, UH, TALKED ABOUT AS, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF REZONING.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT TO PREPARE FOR, THAT'S ALL.
SO, UH, THE EVENT IS CALLED FIELD DAYS OF THE PAST.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.
UM, THEY WERE LOCATED IN ROCKVILLE.
UM, THEY HAD A PRETTY PERMANENT, UH, FACILITY THERE.
UM, THEY HAD A VILLAGE, UM, BASICALLY BUILT UP, UM, TO, TO HOST THEIR EVENT.
UM, THEY HAVE SINCE MOVED TO AMELIA.
UM, THEY WERE IN AMELIA FOR A FEW YEARS.
UH, THEY CAME TO US, UM, ASKING ABOUT LOCATING THE FACILITY HERE.
UM, I EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT, THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN EVENT FACILITY, UM, IN ORDER TO OPERATE THERE.
UM, IT WAS THEN PRESENTED TO US, UM, ONCE WE MET WITH THEM, FOR THEM OPERATING UNDER A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
UM, THE COUNTY MOVING FORWARD, WE ARE ALLOWING THEM TO OPERATE THIS YEAR ONLY UNDER THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, UM, WITH A, UH, DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED BY MYSELF THAT AFTER THIS EVENT THAT NO OTHER EVENT CAN TAKE PLACE ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS BEEN, UH, OBTAINED.
UM, WHEN WE FIRST MET, WE ALL THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, AND TWO WEEKS LATER THEY ANNOUNCED PERMANENT HOME.
UH, IT KIND OF SENT THINGS HERE INTO A SPIRAL, BUT WE'VE SINCE MET WITH THEM.
THEY ARE, THEY'RE VERY EASY TO WORK WITH.
UM, THEY WANT TO DO, UM, EVERYTHING TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY TO MAKE, UH, THE COUNTY HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING.
UM, BUT THEY ARE, THEY DO KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET, GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, THAT THIS THIS YEAR'S EVENT, UM, UH, IS WILL HAPPEN WITH THEM IF THEY, IF THEY CAN GET EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO, UM, TO SATISFY THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
BUT AFTER THAT THEY WILL NEED A CUP.
UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A TIMELINE ON WHEN THAT WILL BE.
THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
UM, MYSELF AND MR. BASSETT WILL BE WORKING WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UM, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR APPLICATION IS AS COMPLETE AS POSSIBLE FOR YOU ALL.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT LATER THIS YEAR, POSSIBLY OCTOBER, NOVEMBER MOST LIKELY AS WHEN THEY WILL BE PRESENTING THAT TO YOU ALL.
UM, AND THE EVENT WOULD BE WHAT MONTH? SEPTEMBER THE THIRD WEEKEND IN SEPTEMBER.
SO THAT KIND OF ANSWERED THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK YOU.
IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO HAVE THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE SINGLE APPROVED EVENT TO HELP GUIDE WHAT SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS MAY BE.
SO HOW MANY DAY EVENT IS THIS? THIS ONE? THREE THREE? IT'D BE FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY.
HOW MUCH TRAFFIC DO THEY EXPECT? DO YOU NOT HAVE THAT SAID SO, UM, THEY ARE EXPECTING ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 6,000 PEOPLE AT THIS EVENT.
IN THE PAST WHEN THEY WERE MORE ESTABLISHED IN ROCKVILLE, I BELIEVE THEY SAID THEIR BEST YEAR WAS 25,000 PEOPLE.
THEY, THEIR, THEIR HOPE IS TO GET BACK TO THAT LEVEL.
IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
I BELIEVE THEY SAID IT'S ABOUT A 10 YEAR PROCESS FOR THEM.
UM, IF YOU ALL AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, UM, THE PROPERTY THEY'RE GONNA BE HOPING TO LOCATE TO IS ON HORSE TRAIL ROAD.
IT IS THE PORTION OF HORSE TRAIL ROAD THAT THEY'RE LOCATING ON IS NOT PAVED.
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PROPERTY, UH, IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE, UM, THAT CURRENTLY DOES NOT LOOK TO BE LIVABLE ON ONE SIDE, AND THE OTHER SIDE IS AN OPEN, OPEN FIELD.
UM, THE PROPERTY IN TOTAL IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 250, 190, SOMEWHERE AROUND IN THAT ACRES, UM, WITH ROUGHLY ABOUT 40 TO 50 ACRES OF FIELD THAT THEY HOPE TO UTILIZE.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK THAT'S, THAT'S JUST GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC DUMPING OUT ON SEVEN OR EIGHT.
IT'S NOWHERE NEAR FOUR 60, IS IT? NO, IT IS, IT'S NOT.
IT'S CLOSER TO, UH, TO, UH, 7 0 8 THAN IT IS TO, TO FOUR 60.
UM, YEAH, IT'S IT'S DOWN THERE RIGHT BEFORE THE AMELIA LINE TOO.
RIGHT? IF YOU SPIT HARD, YOU COULD GET INTO AMELIA.
THE, THE PROPERTY ABUTS AMED, UH, UH, NOT AMELIA.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE COMING, UH, TO YOU ALL, UH, LATER THIS YEAR.
UM, LIKE I SAID, MYSELF AND MR. BASSETT ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THEIR APPLICATION IS COMPLETE AS POSSIBLE.
AND, UH, THEY'RE ON, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THIS IS A ONE TIME THING THIS YEAR AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO, TO HAVE ALL THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW, UM, IN ORDER TO, TO GET THIS APPROVED MOVING FORWARD.
MAKE SURE THEY TALK TO THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA.
'CAUSE I'M ALREADY GETTING HAMMERED WITH THIS ONE.
SO
UM, AND I DO REMEMBER IT BEING A, AN ISSUE FOR US AT VDI.
UM, SO JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT WAS THEIR REASON FOR LEAVING GOLIN IN THE FIRST PLACE SINCE I WAS SO SUCCESSFUL? DO YOU KNOW? UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
THEY TOLD US THAT THERE WAS A DEATH IN THE FAMILY WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY THEY WERE LOCATED ON.
UM, THEY DIDN'T REALLY GO INTO DETAILS UNDER WHAT HAPPENED, BUT BASICALLY THAT WHEN, UH, THE OWNER PASSED AWAY, UM, THE PROPERTY SWITCHED TO OWNERSHIP AND, UM, THEY WERE UNABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO, TO KEEP THEIR KEEP OPERATING THERE.
UM, THEY THEN MOVED TO A FARM, UH, IN AMELIA, UM, OFF 360, UM, ACT DIRECTLY ON 360, UM, RIGHT AT THE, UH, RIDE SHARE ON 360.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY WERE THERE TWO OR THREE YEARS.
UM, AND THEY LOST THEIR LEASE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY 25,000, THE TERM TIA KIND OF JUST COMES FLOATING INTO MY HEAD, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO WHEN I THINK OF THAT'S A TRAFFIC, A FORMAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, BUT THE, UH, IT REMINDS ME OF THE FOLKS THAT CAME DOWN HERE.
I BELIEVE WE HAD TWO SEPARATE APPLICANTS.
ONE WANTED DOWN ALL ONE BACK TOWARD, UH, WHERE YOU'RE AT IT THAT WANTED TO HAVE THE, UH, SEE THE, UH, RV PARK IN THERE.
AND THEN LATER A, UH, A A SUBDIVISION.
AND I REMEMBER IN BOTH CASES, I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I I I LIKEN IT TO MY OWN PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE.
NOW, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY AND YOU GOTTA PUT MONEY INTO A PROPOSAL.
AND I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE WERE, SOME OF THOSE THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH CRAYONS.
UH, SO, SO I, I GUESS MY POINT IS, IS, IS AS, UH, SIGNIFICANT AS THIS IS, I HOPE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL STAFF BACKING THEM UP FOR THIS KIND OF STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO OR NOT.
YEAH, WE, WE HAVE EXPLAINED TO THEM, UH, WITH THE, THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO NEED ENGINEERED SITE PLANS.
UM, I WILL ADD ONE THING THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO, TO PUT OUT THERE IS A, UM, MUD BOG AND TRACTOR POOL TRACK.
UM, THAT THEY WILL, THEY PROVIDED US WITH A ROUGH CALENDAR.
LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA UTILIZE THAT 3, 4, 5 TIMES A YEAR.
UM, WITH THE ATTENDANCE FOR THOSE EVENTS BEING, WELL, LESS THAN THE, THE FIELD DAYS EVENT.
UM, THEY'RE FRAMING THIS AS THE FIELD DAYS IS THEIR MAIN ATTRACTION.
UM, AND ALL THE OTHER EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UM, ARE ABOUT HALF THE ATTENDEES OF, OF THAT.
AND YOU MENTIONED, UH, THE TRAFFIC.
UH, IT IS ONE IMPORTANT THING TO ADD IS, UH, THERE'S MORE THAN LIKELY GONNA BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE VERY SOON.
UH, MYSELF, MORGAN, MR. BASSETT AND HALEY, WE WENT OUT THERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND, UH, TIMBER OPERATION HAS DESTROYED
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THAT ROAD.AND SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SIGNIFICANT, UH, RESOURCES POWERED ONTO THAT ROAD.
SO IT WILL BE IN PROBABLY BETTER SHAPE THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S A MUD HOLE.
SO WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT V O'S PLANNING TO DO THERE TO FIX THAT? WE HAVEN'T HAD AN GOTTEN AN UPDATE.
UM, ALL I KNOW IS THAT THEY WERE, THE DAY WE WENT OUT THERE, THEY MUST HAVE BEEN OUT THERE ABOUT 30 MINUTES BEFORE WE WERE, BECAUSE WHEN WE GOT BACK, UM, SOME STAFF HAD ALREADY TALKED TO VDOT AND UH, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, VDOT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME OUT THE, THE NEXT MONDAY TO, TO SPEAK WITH THE, UH, TIMBER COMPANY ABOUT THE SITUATION.
UM, IT'S NOT TOO FAR FROM THE PAVED, UH, COMING IN FROM THE OPPOSITE WAY OFF TRINITY CHURCH ROAD.
THE PROPERTY ISN'T TOO FAR FROM THE PAVEMENT WHERE THE PAVEMENT STOPS.
UM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN.
BUT THE DAMAGE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS PRIMARILY ON THE UNPAVED SECTION? IT'S ON THE, YEAH.
IT'S JUST WHERE THEY'VE BEEN TIMBERING THROUGH THE ICE AND SNOW.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN KIND OF MY BREAD AND BUTTER FOR A LONG TIME, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE DENWOOD COUNTY BEING COMPETITIVE IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION FUNDING.
UH, IN FACT, JUST ONE THING I JUST READ YESTERDAY IS I READ A MEMO THAT THE NEW SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, SEAN DUFFY SENT OUT THAT IN, UH, THE, THE WORDING IS TO TRY TO FOCUS TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS ON AREAS OF HIGH, UH, BIRTH RATE AND HIGH MARRIAGE RATE.
AND THE G THIS WAS IN THE CARDINAL NEWS IF ANYBODY FOLLOWS THAT.
BUT THE GUY, UH, YEY, DDU, UH, DWAYNE W RIGHT? DWAYNE YSY THAT WRITES SOME CARDINAL NEWS.
HE HAD DONE AN ANALYSIS THAT OF THE A HUNDRED COUNTIES THAT HAVE THE LOWEST COMBINED RATES IN THE COUNTRY 13 ARE, ARE IN VIRGINIA AND DENWOOD ONE OF'EM.
SO WHEN I READ THAT, I'M THINKING, WELL, THAT JUST ADDS MORE COMPLEXITY TO TRYING TO GET TRANSPORTATION FUNDING.
DEPENDING ON HOW THAT'S ENACTED, HOW HIS, UH, HOW HIS MEMO IS ENACTED.
I, IF THEY GOING TO DO TRACTOR POOLS AND EVERYTHING, I'M NOT SO SURE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN FROM THE OTHER WAY, BECAUSE IF THAT STEEP HILL PEOPLE HAVE BOTTOM OUT AND GOT STUCK RIGHT THERE, THAT THAT HILL IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.
I CURRENTLY, I'M GONNA SAY I I, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT GOUGES IN AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEM GUYS PULLING THEM, LONG TRAILERS COMING OFF 7 0 8, I'M NOT SURE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET HUNG UP AND THAT'S A BAD CURVE TO GET HUNG UP IN.
BUT WE, WE AS A STAFF ARE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO WORK WITH THEM.
NO, I, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, PRETTY EASY TO WORK WITH.
UM, I KNOW MORGAN HAS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRESIDENT, ISN'T SHE THE PRESIDENT? EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR? YEAH.
I'M NOT SAYING IT AIN'T GONNA WORK, BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO REDIRECT TRAFFIC, THOSE THINGS I'M SAYING.
NO, THERE, THERE ARE SOME, SOME HURDLES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE CROSSED, BUT, UM, UM, WE'LL DO OUR BEST.
I I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE, UM, THE SPECIAL EVENT PROCESS.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A FUNCTION OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE AND ZONING HAS TO SIGN OFF FIRE AND EMS, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, VDOT, THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, TREASURER'S OFFICE, PRETTY MUCH JUST ABOUT EVERY, UM, ORGANIZATION DOES, UM, KIND OF LIKE WHEN, UM, SHAN'S PARK HAS THEIR SPECIAL EVENTS OUT THERE.
SO, AND TYPICALLY WITH A LARGE EVENT LIKE THIS, LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WHEN BMP HAS HELD THE, UM, NHRA EVENTS, WE CALL A MEETING OF ALL THOSE AGENCIES TO SIT DOWN AND ENSURE THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL IS IN PLACE AND SHERIFFS, UH, DEPUTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND ACTUALLY MAJOR KNOT, UM, MET WITH US, WITH, WITH THE GROUP TO TALK SOME OF THAT THROUGH ALREADY.
I THOUGHT I WAS ASKING A SIMPLE QUESTION.
IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING, UH, COUPLE WEEKS REGARDING THAT
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS? I PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS? I HAVE NO COMMENTS.
MR. CHAIR, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE, BEFORE ADJOURNMENT? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
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AYE.