* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [*Portions of this meeting are without audio] [7. PUBLIC HEARING] [00:02:36] CULTURAL GENERAL DISTRICT. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, FROM OUR FIRST SLIDE, UH, THIS IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THE APPLICANTS ACTUALLY LIVE AT, UH, 17 6 84 BALTIMORE ROAD, UM, JUST NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BALTIMORE ROAD AND LOU JONES ROAD. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS EVENING, ZONED, AGAIN, A TO AGRICULTURAL AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 50 ACRES IN SIZE. YEAH, THANK YOU MR. GARLEY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE, THIS IS WORKING. OKAY. UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS, UH, UH, AERIAL VIEW TAKEN OF THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT WAS THE MOST RECENT AERIAL VIEW THAT, UH, STAFF COULD FIND, UM, YOU, UH, OF, AGAIN, OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT, OF COURSE, APPLICANTS LIVE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, THE APPLICANT'S HOME IS NOT PART OF THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST, BUT THE REMAINING PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY IS, AGAIN, APPROXIMATELY 50 ACRES. YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE A, UM, RIDING RING AS WELL AS ALSO ANOTHER ENCLOSED AREA, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, COURSE EVENTS AND OTHER, OTHER EVENTS. UH, THE, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY. UM, ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, EXCEPT FOR THE PORTION OF PROPERTY THAT'S, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF, OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, IS ALL, UM, FARMLAND. UM, MORE SPECIFICALLY TIMBERLAND OWNED BY, UH, TIMBER COMPANIES. AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE, DOES HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND ALSO HAS, UM, CROP LAND AND PASTURE LAND. ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, UH, IS ALSO ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL. UM, [00:05:01] AS I INDICATED, THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN THE A TWO ZONING DISTRICT AND EVENT FACILITY, UH, IS ALLOWED UPON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SUCH. UH, WHEN WE TOOK THE REQUEST TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, THERE WERE REALLY NO SPECIFIC, UM, ISSUES BROUGHT UP RELATED TO THE SUBJECT REQUEST. UH, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION VDOT STAFF DID LOOK AT THE REQUEST AND DID, UH, SUBMIT A, A LETTER AS PART OF THE REQUEST. UH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY, UH, OBJECTIONS TO THE PRO PROPOSED ZONING ACTION. UM, AND DID, UH, TALK ABOUT WILL REQUIRE, UM, A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DEPENDING ON, UM, HOW MANY, UH, VEHICLES ARE ATTENDING ANY OF THE PROPOSED EVENTS, UH, THAT WOULD HAPPEN ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, WHEN STAFF, UH, AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, UH, IT WAS FELT THAT, UH, THIS USE IS APPROPRIATE USE OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES LOCATED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND GIVEN THE TOTAL ACREAGE AVAILABLE FOR THE EVENT FACILITY IN RELATION TO THE SURROUNDING LAND USE AND ZONING PATTERN, THE PROPOSED USE, UH, WE FEEL LIKE IS APPROPRIATELY LOCATED. UM, JUST RELATED TO THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING OWNERS. UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH, UM, DID TALK TO A COUPLE STAFF MEMBERS AND INDICATED THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE A ISSUE WITH THE PROPOSED REQUEST. UM, STAFF DID PROVIDE, UM, CONDITIONS, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, UH, CONSIDER AS PART OF, UH, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, IS IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO THE BOARD. WE DID PROVIDE CONDITIONS AND I'LL, UH, RUN THROUGH THOSE. UH, WE, UH, CONDITION ONE IS JUST, UH, DESCRIBING THE GENERAL, UH, USE OF THE PROPERTY. IF GRANTED AS AN EVENT FACILITY, THE USE OF THE PROPERTY SHALL BE LIMITED TO AN EVENT FACILITY TO INCLUDE BOARDING OF HORSES AND A MONTHLY FARM SWAP SLASH MARKET AND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. NOW, THE EVENT FACILITY SHALL BE LOCATED ON TAX MAP PARCEL, 67 DASH ONE DASH FOUR, AND, UH, JUST AS, UH, AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, UM, WILL NOT INCLUDE, UH, USE OF THE RESIDENCE. UH, THE DWELLING ON THE, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, UH, PARKING, WE TRIED TO COVER THAT ALL PARKING FOR THE EVENT FACILITY SHALL BE ON THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY WON'T BE PARKING, UM, ALONG BALTIMORE ROAD. THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VDOT RECOMMENDED DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS, UH, SANITARY SEWER AND POT POTABLE WATER. UM, IF ANY OF THE VENTS ARE REQUIRE, UH, DE WITTY COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, APPROVAL, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND GET THAT APPROVAL. UH, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS SITE LIGHTING CONTAINING ANY TYPE OF SITE LIGHTING THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE PROPERTY IF APPROVED. UH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, HAVE TO BE CONTAINED TO THE PROPERTY AND NOT CAST INTO THE NIGHT SKY. UH, TIME OF OPERATION. THE APPLICANT AGREED, UH, WITH STAFF THAT THE, UH, TIME OF OPERATION WOULD BE FROM 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. IF THEY DID HAVE EVENTS, UM, IT WOULD GO INTO THE EVENING. OF COURSE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO STOP AT 9:00 PM WE DID TALK ABOUT, UM, IN STAFF RECOMMENDED, UH, APPROVAL, UH, CONDITIONS, OUTDOOR CAMPING. UM, IF THEY HAD INFORMAL CAMPING, UM, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED WHEN ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH AND AN AND WITH AN ANCILLARY TO THE EVENT THAT THEY WERE HAVING ON THE PROPERTY. CAMPING IS ONLY ALLOWED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS WITH NO PERMANENT CAMP SITES BEING ESTABLISHED. UH, THIS IS A CONDITION THAT WE'VE UTILIZED WITH OTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WHERE EVENTS WOULD BE INVOLVED. UM, SECURITY, UH, THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WHEN WE HAVE APPROVED OTHER SIMILAR EVENT, UH, TYPE FACILITIES, THEY'VE ALWAYS ASKED US TO INCLUDE THIS CONDITION. UM, THAT IF THEY DO REQUIRE, UH, COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, ASSISTANCE, UM, THAT, UH, COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE [00:10:01] DEPUTIES PROVIDING ANY SECURITY SERVICES AND PAYMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT, UH, WOULD BE COVERED, UH, BY THE APPLICANT TO THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. OF COURSE, THAT WOULD ONLY BE FOR EVENTS THAT REQUIRED THAT TYPE OF SECURITY. UM, SPECIAL EVENTS, ANY GATHERINGS OF MORE THAN 300 PERSONS ON THE PROPERTY AT ANY ONE TIME FOR AN EVENT OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES SHALL BE SUBJECT TO, UM, THE DEWINE COUNTY CODE SPECIAL EVENTS SECTION AS MAY BE AMENDED FROM TIME TO TIME. UM, WE ALSO INCLUDED, UM, NOISE AND JUST REFERENCED THE COUNTY'S NOISE ORDINANCE, UH, NATURAL BUFFERS. WE'VE INCLUDE THIS WITH OTHER PROPERTIES WHERE WE WOULD HAVE AN EVENT FACILITY, UM, THAT STATES THAT WHERE THERE IS EXISTING FORESTED AREA, A 50 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE ENTIRE PERIMETER FOR THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY EXTENDING FROM THE PERIMETER EXTERIOR PROPERTY LINES INWARD TO THE PROPERTY IS TO BE PERMANENTLY MAINTAINED WHERE CLEARING OF VEGETATION SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED. UM, COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS. UM, WE TALK ABOUT THEY NEED TO REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL LAWS, UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE AN ANNUAL REVIEW BY STAFF OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND WE ALSO TALK ABOUT, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REVOCATION, IF THAT'S EVER NEEDED. UM, THE BOARD, UM, DOES HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. AND THEN WE HAVE SET FORTH FOR YOU THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME. OR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. ALRIGHT. THE WAY I READ THIS, IT SAYS THE USE OF THE PROPERTY SHALL BE LIMITED TO AN EVENT FACILITY TO INCLUDE BOARDING OF HORSES IN A MONTHLY FARM SWAP MARKET. AM I TO UNDERSTAND IN READING THAT IT COULD BE ANY EVENT YES. TO INCLUDE THAT. I MEAN, I, I JUST WAS LOOKING AT THEIR APPLICATION AND IT TALKS ABOUT CONDITIONAL USE FOR EVENTS SUCH AS HORSE SHOWS, SMALL FARMER'S MARKET FARM TOURS. UH, THAT GIVES IT AN AWFUL WIDE SCOPE COMPARED TO WHAT THEY WROTE THE, UH, PERMIT FOR. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THAT. 'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE CONCERTS, YOU COULD HAVE ALL KINDS OF, YOU COULD HAVE MUD BOGS, YOU COULD HAVE ANYTHING. I MEAN, I, THAT'S JUST HOW I READ THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. YOU ARE READING THAT, CORRECT? IT DOES OPEN IT UP TO OTHER EVENTS THAT ARE NOT. I'M OKAY WITH WHAT THEY WROTE THE PERMIT FOR. THEY WANTED TO DO IT FOR THOSE THINGS. I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT JUST WIDE, THE OPEN EVENT FACILITY. I HAD ANOTHER COMMENT TO IT ON THE, UM, ON YOUR CONDITION, UH, NUMBER, UM, NUMBER NINE WITH 300, IS THAT MATCHING THE, UH, THE CODE LANGUAGE? YES, THAT'S THE CODE. BECAUSE I WAS WONDER CODE REQUIREMENT, I WAS WONDERING WHAT WAS MAGICAL. ABOUT 300. YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN, I THINK IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A COUPLE HUNDRED CARS OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. BUT UM, IF IT MATCHES THE CODE, THEN I UNDERSTAND IT. YEAH, IT DOES MATCH THE CODE. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ASK THE BASSETT. THANK YOU, MR. BASSETT. MR. MR. CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, NO. I WAS SAYING NOT FROM MARK. I'M ON. OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. BASSETT AND MY APOLOGIES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION 'CAUSE I COULD NOT, WAS NOT ABLE TO ASK MR. BASSETT THIS BEFORE THIS EVENING. UM, WITH WHAT MR. TMA SAID I HAD, YOU'D SAID IT EXCLUDED IN CONDITION NUMBER ONE. SHOULDN'T WE ADD, SHOULDN'T THERE BE SOME LANGUAGES THAT IT EXCLUDES THE DWELLING AND IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT SAYS THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE EVENT FACILITY EXCLUDES THE DWELLING. UM, YEAH, THE DWELLING'S ACTUALLY ON A DIFFERENT TAX MAP. PARCEL NUMBER. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY I CITED THIS TAX MAP PARCEL NUMBER. SO I, I THINK BY DOING THAT, WE DO EXCLUDE THE, THAT, THAT, UH, YEAH, I WAS THINKING IT MAY BE ON THE SAME TAX MAP POSSIBLE, BUT IT'S NOT. THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. IT'S NOT. MY OTHER SUGGESTION IS IN NUMBER SIX, AND, AND THIS IS JUST CLARITY AND IT SAYS ALL RELATED, OUTDOOR, RECREATIONAL AND ALL OTHER OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES SHALL BE CONDUCTED DAILY BETWEEN [00:15:01] NINE AND AM AND 9:00 PM WE PROBABLY SHOULD PUT, UNLESS YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS OTHER THAN THIS RELATED TO THE EVENT CENTER, I DON'T THINK THEY WANT US TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM DOING ACTIVITIES PRIOR TO NINE . SO, YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, JUST CLARIFY IT, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE ANY PROBLEM. BUT IF I WAS THE APPLICANT, I'D WANT THAT CLARIFIED IN THIS, IN, IN NUMBER SEVEN. UM, EVEN THOUGH THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS OUTDOOR CAMPING, THEY STILL WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FUTURE COUNTY OR PRESENT COUNTY AND STATE REQUIREMENTS. I, I, I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AND YOU'VE GOTTA GET A STATE PERMIT EVEN AT AN EVENT. SO I WOULD ADD JUST A CLARITY TO THAT. OKAY. THAT'S IT. AND I AGREE WITH MR. TITUS'S INTERPRETATION. THANK YOU MS. BASS. OKAY, THANK YOU. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SAY ANYTHING? PLEASE GIMME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. MY NAME IS CARRIE EMERSON. MY ADDRESS IS 1 7 6 8 4 BALTIMORE ROAD, DEWITT, VIRGINIA. THAT'S FINE. UM, I CAN ASSURE YOU WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE BLOOD BUGS IN CONCERTS. I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE THAT MUCH TO HAVE THREE OR 400 ON MY FARM. UM, ALVIN CAN TELL YOU , UM, WE ARE LOOKING JUST TO HAVE SMALLER EVENTS. UM, SOME BENEFIT HORSE SHOWS, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING A, UM, POSSIBLY A HAUNTED WOODS THEME WHERE WE DO IT BY APPOINTMENT. SO WE DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN CARS, UH, TO BENEFIT LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. LET THEM COME OUT AND RUN THE HAUNTED WOODS THING AND LET THEM GET THE REWARDS FROM THAT. SO EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE SMALLER SCALE. I WILL NEVER HAVE A CONCERT THERE. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE THAT MUCH, UM, . BUT IT, IT IS JUST GONNA BE SMALL SCALE THINGS. THE, THE FARMER'S MARKET, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE TRACTOR SUPPLY MARKET, I THINK THEY'RE LIMITED TO 12 TO 15 PEOPLE AT A TIME. WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 20 TO 30 VENDORS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH TRAFFIC AT THE TRACTOR SUPPLY SALE ALREADY. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT BIG LARGE SCALE EVENTS. WE'RE JUST LOOKING SMALLER HORSE SHOWS. AND AS FAR AS THE CAMPING GOES, A LOT OF TIME WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE COME FROM OUTTA STATE. THEY WANNA JUST CAMP OUT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WEEKEND FOR THE SHOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALL THAT IS. BUT YEAH, NO MUD BOGS, NO CONCERTS. NO, NO, NO. TONS OF PEOPLE ON THE FARM. . I DO HAVE SOMETHING. NOW THAT YOU'RE MAKING AN EVENT, ARE YOU AWARE THAT ALL THE ANIMALS THAT COME THERE HAD TO BE VACCINATED? OH YES. ANY ANIMAL THAT COMES ON THE FARM? WELL, WE DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO BRING OUTSIDE ANIMALS, BUT ALL THE HORSES THAT COME, THEY ALL HAVE TO HAVE A NEGATIVE COGGINS AT THE TIME OF ENTRY. I'M NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT THAT, I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL THE BIRDS BECAUSE THE STATE PUT A LAW IN JUST LIKE THE FAIR LAST YEAR WE HAD TO CALL FOUR H AND ALL THAT. THERE'S A LAW NOW BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT BIRD FLUS AND THE DISEASES, ALL BIRDS NOW HAVE TO BE VACCINATED. OKAY. SEE TRACK THE SUPPLY HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF THAT TOO. SO WHEN YOU GO TO VENUE AND START PULLING SMALLER MARKETS IN AND YOU BRING IN BIRDS FROM ALL OVER PLACES, THEY HAVE TO BE VACCINATED NOW. SO THAT'S, AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, BUT THAT'S VAPS AND YOU KNOW, OKAY. SO I'M KIND OF GLAD THE LAW PART WAS PUT IN THERE. I'M JUST MAKING YOU AWARE BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG THING BECAUSE YEAH, PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO SKATE BY THAT AND IT CAN'T BE, I MEAN YEAH, NO, I'M GLAD YOU LET ME KNOW. 'CAUSE WE'LL DEFINITELY EITHER THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR CERTIFICATES ON 'EM IF THEY BRING 'EM TO THE SALE OR THEY JUST DON'T BRING BIRDS MM-HMM . YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. IT'S A LOT. NO, IT'S A LOT THAT CHANGED AND YEAH, AND I REMEMBER V DAC SENDING IT TO ME VERY WELL RIGHT BEFORE THE FAIR LAST YEAR BECAUSE FAIRES AND OTHER FOUR H AND STUFF LIKE THAT REALLY WEREN'T DOING THAT AT THAT TIME. AND A LOT OF 'EM HAD TO GO GET BIRDS SHOTS SO THEY, THEY CAN BRING THEM AROUND. OKAY. YEAH. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE, EITHER THEY HAVE IT OR THEY DON'T BRING BIRDS. I WILL DEFINITELY KEEP UP ON THAT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I GO AHEAD. ARE YOU WILLING TO LIMIT THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE? IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING AN EVENT FACILITY. [00:20:01] AN EVENT FACILITY FOR HORSE SHOWS, FARM MARKET, WHAT THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE THAT CONDITION OR DO YOU STILL WANT IT? BLANKET EVENT FACILITY. SEE THAT, THAT, THAT'S A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE THERE, , BECAUSE WITH THI WE, LITTLE THINGS WILL POP UP. LIKE I'LL HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO A, UH, KIDS' DAY CAMP OUT THERE, LIKE A FARM TOUR TYPE DAY CAMP. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE HOMESCHOOLERS AND THEY WANNA POP UP AND DO LIKE A ONE DAY LITTLE EVENT WHERE ALL THE HOMESCHOOLERS GET TO COME. SO I WOULD I BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WHERE INSTEAD OF, IF WE CAN LEAVE IT AS A BLANKET FACILITY, BUT NO CONCERTS, NO MUD BOGS, ALL, UH, CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN IS YOU AND STAFF FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP IT OPEN FOR WHAT YOU WERE WANTING TO DO YOUR PLANS IN YOUR HEAD AND NOT JUST MAKE IT A BLANK, LIKE I SAID. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU COULD HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS, I MEAN, UNDER THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND I THINK, WELL, I MAY BE THE ONLY ONE UP HERE THAT'S WORRIED ABOUT IT, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S, I AGREE WITH YOU PROBABLY SO THAT WE WOULD LIKE IT SOMEHOW TO EXCLUDE EITHER CERTAIN THINGS OR TO EITHER SPECIFICALLY PUT IN THE TYPES OF EVENTS YOU WANT TO HAVE. BECAUSE, AND THE REASON I SAY THIS, AND THIS IS TO HELP YOU OUT. IF YOU SELL THE PROPERTY TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY. SO IF WE LEFT IT WIDE OPEN, WHILE YOU MAY NOT BE DOING THOSE THINGS, THE PERSON THAT BUYS IT FROM YOU WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THOSE THINGS. UNLESS ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE EITHER EXCLUDE THINGS OR LIMIT THE SCOPE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN HAVE DURING VISA. OKAY. YEAH. DURING THIS, RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. IF WE COULD DO AN EXCLUSION, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER. 'CAUSE I, I, THINGS POP INTO MY MIND ALL THE TIME OF LITTLE EVENTS TO DO AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, EASIER AND BETTER IF WE COULD DO AN EXCLUSION. RIGHT. IT'D BE SOME WAY WHERE THINGS THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE OPENING FOR THAT STUFF. OKAY. AND LIMIT THINGS LIKE MUD BALLS, UH, MOTOCROSS TRACK, UH, YEAH. AND EVENT YOU JUST TO TRY TO KEEP FROM HAVING SOME THINGS THAT YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORS, NOT THAT YOU HAVE A BUNCH, BUT I HAVE ONE AND TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT STUFF. YEAH. AND PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. WE COULD WORK ON THAT. OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD ASK STAFF, SHOULD WE TABLE THIS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? AND YOU HAVE A LIST TO COME BACK OR JUST TAKE ACTION AND WHAT, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU WANT IT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE AND I APPRECIATE THAT . UH, I'VE GOT A BENEFIT HORSE SHOW I WANT TO PLAN, RIGHT? I MEAN I, HOW DO WE DO THAT WITHOUT JUST, YOU'RE LOOKING TO ME OR MARK? UH, MARK PROBABLY 'CAUSE HE'D BE THE ONE THAT WOULD HELP TRY RIGHT LANE TO EXCLUDE THINGS AND YOU MAY BE AS WELL. OH, MARK, I'LL FIRST ANSWER AND THEN YOU CAN FOLLOW IT UP. I'M OKAY WITH Y'ALL IF MARK'S OKAY WITH IT AS STAFF TO, TO BASICALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN YOUR MOTION ON CHANGING. 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE THESE OTHER CHANGES I WAS TALKING ABOUT AS WELL. RIGHT. SO I CAN SUGGEST LANGUAGE NOT SPECIFIC, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND ME UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, I THINK MARK UNDERSTANDS OUR CONCERN MM-HMM . RIGHT NOW WITH IT JUST BEING THE WAY IT IS. AND I'M OKAY WITH SENDING THIS ON TO THE BOARD KNOWING THAT ONCE IT GETS TO THE BOARD, THEY KNOW OUR CONCERNS AND Y'ALL HAVE WORKED THAT OUT PRIOR TO. AND THAT WAY EVERYTHING KEEPS MOVING ALONG. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, OF COURSE, AGAIN, A MOTION CAN BE MADE WITH GIVING DIRECTIONS TO STAFF ON CERTAIN CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. ANY CONDITIONS. THANK YOU SIR. IF MARK'S OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, I, I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT, DO WE NEED TO GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING AT ALL? YES, I MAY I OPEN THIS SESSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GET UP AND SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. [00:25:02] I HOPE A NEW, DO WE HAVE ANYONE, MR. GAR? CARRIE EMERSON? THAT WAS ME. SORRY. . MR. CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. OKAY. AT THIS POINT I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, ANY MORE, ANY MORE CONCERNS, QUESTIONS? AND THE NEXT STEP ON THIS, IS THERE A MOTION? WERE YOU GONNA MAKE THE WELL, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED WITH HOW I MAKE THE MOTION. I MEAN, I KNOW I WANT STAFF TO WORK ON THINGS, BUT I GUESS AS DISCUSSED TONIGHT, MAKE, MAKE YOUR MOTIONS AND THEN SAY WITH CHANGING CONDITIONS OF AND I'LL ASSIST. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND YOURS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WAS IN SECTION SIX, TIME OF OPERATION THAT WAS AND SEVEN. YES. AND SEVEN AS WELL? YES. YES. YEAH. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 2 86 A SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C DASH 25 DASH ONE AS PRESENTED WITH CHANGES BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS UPON STAFF WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO CLEAR UP NUMBER ONE UNDER THE CONDITIONS NUMBER SIX AND NUMBER SEVEN, AND SPECIFICALLY IN NUMBER ONE, I WOULD SAY TO, TO EXCLUDE EVENTS AS DISCUSSED HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING. RIGHT. AND THEN NUMBER ONE, EXCLUDE EVENTS LIKE MOTOR SPORTS, CONCERTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT THIS WOULD CURRENTLY ALLOW AS AN EVENT CENTER. AND AND NUMBER SIX TO, UM, TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT THE ZA OPERATION ARE RELATED TO EVENT CENTER ACTIVITIES. RIGHT. THAT IN NUMBER SIX, THE ZA OPERATION ARE FOR AN EVENT CENTER SPECIFICALLY AND THAT THE STATE BE INVOLVED IN OUTDOOR CAMPING. IS THAT HOW I WOULD SAY THAT OR IN THAT NUMBER SEVEN? UH, JUST THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY COMPLY WITH. OH. AND NUMBER SEVEN WITH IN THEY COMPLY WITH STATE REGULATIONS. RIGHT. OKAY. I THINK I'M DONE. OH, SO , MR. TIMUS, WAS THERE A SECOND HERE? YES. A SECOND. HE SECOND. OKAY. SECOND. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. HAYES? YES. AND MR. HARLEY? YES. C DASH 25 DASH ONE HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS WITH CHANGES FROM LEGAL STAFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE, MR. BASS. AND JUST TO NOTE FOR THE APPLICANT, THE BOARD MEETING WILL BE ON TUESDAY, MAY 20TH AT 7:00 PM THEY NEED TO GET WITH YOU BEFORE THAT, RIGHT? THEY NEED TO GET WITH YOU BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. EXCUSE ME. THEY NEED TO GET WITH YOU BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. YES, I'LL, I'LL WORK WITH APPLICANT. OKAY. PRIOR TO THE STAFF REPORT GOING TO THE BOARD FOR THE, I I DIDN'T 20TH. I, I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO JUST THINK THEY COULD WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BOARD MEETING TO SHOW UP. RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. THANK. [00:30:17] OKAY, UH, MR. CHAIR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR REZONING CASE P DASH 25 DASH FOUR. UH, THE APPLICANT'S HERE, MS. SONIA HENSHAW THIS EVENING. UH, THE REZO REQUEST IS TO REZONE, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE TO RESIDENTIAL URBAN R RU. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AT THE SOUTHEASTERN QUADRANT AT THE INTERSECTION OF AWA AVENUE AND WARWICK STREET, OF COURSE IN THE, UH, WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THIS INVOLVES, UH, FOUR EXISTING LOTS AND THE APPLICANT OF COURSE IS WANTING TO UTILIZE THE RUS ZONING CLASSIFICATION TO BE ABLE TO, UM, COMBINE LOTS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DEVELOP SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UH, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE, UH, REZONING CASES, UH, THAT ARE SIMILAR IN NATURE TO THIS REQUEST. AND, UM, THROUGHOUT THE, UH, WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, AGAIN IS REQUESTING THE RU UH, ZONING CLASSIFICATION SO THEY CAN COMBINE THE EXISTING LOTS AND BUILD, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, DID, DID SUBMIT, UH, UH, RENDERINGS OF WHAT, UH, SHE IS PROPOSING, UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND YOU HAVE THOSE RELATE, UH, AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT. UM, AND SHE SUBMITTED, UH, TWO RENDERINGS, UH, WITH, UH, THE FLOOR PLANS THAT GO ALONG WITH THOSE, UH, AGAIN TO PROVIDE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. UH, THE PROPERTY UNDER REVIEW IS DESIGNATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AS BEING WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT AREA, UH, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS EXPECTED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. ALSO, THE RU ZONING DISTRICT STATES THAT IN GENERAL THE RESIDENTIAL URBAN ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS SMALLER LOT SIZES AND SETBACKS. THEN THE COUNTY'S OTHER RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS GIVING AREAS ZONED. ARE YOU A MORE URBAN FEEL? THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS ARE DESIGNED TO REFLECT THE URBAN NATURE OF SUCH NEIGHBORHOODS AS CHARACTERIZED BY DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, SITUATED ON SMALL LOTS WITH NARROW YARDS AND MODEST SETBACKS. THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS ARE INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT AND EFFICIENT USE OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND THEIR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WHILE ENSURING THAT INFILL DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE R RU ZONING DISTRICT. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AREA, WHICH ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND ACH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. THUS, WITH THE PROPERTY BEING LOCATED IN THE EXISTING WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVING ACCESS TO THE DIMWIT COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY AND WATER SEWER SYSTEM, THIS GENERAL AREA MAY BE CONSIDERED AS A RESIDENTIAL GROVE CENTER. UM, LOOK AT PUBLIC UTILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY TRANSPORTATION. UH, WHEN DISCUSSED WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UM, THERE WERE NO, UH, SPECIFIC, UM, IMPACTS THAT STOOD OUT, UH, TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. AND THEY WERE, UM, BASICALLY, UH, IN AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING REQUEST. STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTS THIS EVENING. BASED ON THE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL URBAN, OUR U ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. ADDITIONALLY, THE R ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING LOTS WITHIN THE URBAN AREA, INCLUDING THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO, THE REQUESTED [00:35:01] ZONING CLASSIFICATION RU CONFORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THIS GENERAL AREA IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLANT. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING. BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. YES, SIR. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. YEAH. WELL, ONE COMMENT. FIRST, I REALLY LIKED YOUR, UH, COLOR CODED MAP THERE SINCE WE'VE HAD A BUNCH OF THESE THAT, UH, IS REALLY HELPFUL. BUT IT DOES BEG THE QUESTION 'CAUSE I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER WHY WAS 22 DASH FOUR DENIED THE RED ONE LOWER CENTER? OH, 22 DASH FOUR. UH, THE, UH, BOARD DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THAT. UM, BASED ON THAT, UH, THERE WERE TWO HOMES ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY. UM, OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON. THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE, UH, PUTTING A HOME THERE WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HOUSING THAT WAS IN PLACE THERE ALREADY. OKAY. OKAY. NO THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. BASSETT? THANK YOU MR. BASSETT. OKAY, THANK YOU. IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? PLEASE GIMME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. UH, EXCUSE ME. MY NAME IS SONIA HENSHAW. I'M 8 2 0 0 VENA TERRACE, CHESTERFIELD, VIRGINIA, 2 3 8 3 8. MR. BASSETT'S MUCH MORE VERBOSE THAN I AM AND MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE. I'M MAINLY HERE FOR QUESTIONS. THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, PRIOR TO PURCHASING THIS, THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY A HOME ON THIS LOT. IN FACT THOUGH, WELL AND SEPTIC HAD ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR, THEY'RE NOT MAKING ME DO ANOTHER TAP IN. SO I FEEL LIKE I'M IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RENDERINGS THERE, THE TWO HOMES THAT I HAVE PLANNED ON HERE, UM, WOULD BE JUST AS KNIFE IF NOT MUCH NICER WITHIN WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE ROAD. AND I HAVE ADDED INNER GARAGE, WHICH UP UNTIL NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AND NOT HAVE AS MANY CARS ON THE STREET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, IN ADDITION, I THINK EVERYBODY IS AWARE WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A HOUSING SHORTAGE, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTHERN SIDE. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW AREAS THAT GIVES US ACCESS TO PUBLIC UTILITIES. AND I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT IT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IN LINE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. UM, I DO PLAN ON KEEPING THESE PROPERTIES. I'VE LIVED INWOOD MOST OF MY LIFE TILL I GUESS I WENT TO CHESTERFIELD. SO I PLAN ON KEEPING THEM NICE AND YOU KNOW, WITH ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I ACTUALLY THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS A LOT BETTER SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN MONEY COMING INTO THERE. IT USED TO BE A AREA I MIGHT NOT DRIVE INTO WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND NOW IT'S, IT'S LOOKING, IT'S LOOKING GOOD ACTUALLY. SO HOPEFULLY WE KEEP THAT TREND. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, YES SIR. I KNOW YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO, BUT DID YOU TALK TO ANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR NEW NEIGHBORS AS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU'LL BE MOVING IN AND PUTTING TWO NEW HOUSES THERE? THEY DO KNOW I'M BUILDING PRIMARILY, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL ACROSS THE STREET THAT CUTS MY GRASS. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PUSHBACK AS OF YET. UM, THERE'LL ONLY BE ONE NEIGHBOR SINCE THE CORNER LOT IS JUST THE CORNER LOT. SO THERE'S JUST ONE LABOR TO THE LEFT. SO FAR SO GOOD. I DON'T KNOW. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? I NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE. MR. BASS. I MEAN, MR. GURDY, HAS ANYONE, UM, SIGNED UP? MR. CHAIR? THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP IN THAT CASE. EVER CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? I'LL DO IT. BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSUME COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 86 A SEVEN, IT STATES THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE RESOLUTION IS INITIATED TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY AND CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT THAT ZONING P DASH 25 DASH FOUR BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SECOND THAT MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. TUS? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. LANGLEY YES. MR. HAYES? YES. AND MR. HALL? YES. SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT. VOTING AYE P DASH 24 25 DASH FOUR HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COULD WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE? CASE? [00:40:01] P DASH 25 DASH FIVE. MR. BASSETT? UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. AS YOU INDICATED, UH, THE NEXT CASE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US THIS EVENING, UH, MR. DANIEL ALVAREZ IS HERE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICATION AND, UH, THIS IS AGAIN FOR, UH, A REZONING IN WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FROM THE EXISTING ZONING, THE R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED TO THE RESIDENTIAL URBAN R RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION. AGAIN, THIS INVOLVES THE, UH, FOUR LOTS, UM, AT THE, UH, SOUTHWESTERN QUADRANT OF DIM WITTY AVENUE AND POTOMAC STREET. UM, AGAIN, ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, UH, FOR THE MOST PART IS, UH, RESIDENTIAL LIMITED CURRENTLY. UM, AND AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS FOR THE RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION. AS WE LOOKED AT IN THE PREVIOUS CASE, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, MULTIPLE ARGUE RU REZONING REQUESTS THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED, UH, BY THE BOARD. UM, UH, SINCE 2016 AND AT LAST MONTH'S BOARD MEETING, UH, THERE WERE MULTIPLE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT WERE, UH, APPROVED FOR, UH, REZONING TO THE RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION. AGAIN, THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AREA, UH, WHICH DOES EXPECT, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS GENERAL AREA. WE HAVE STAFF ALSO FEELS THAT, UH, THE REQUEST DOES MEET THE COMPOSITION AND PURPOSE OF THE ARGUE ZONING DISTRICT AND AGAIN, IS IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. UH, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE DID NOT HAVE ANY SPECIFIC RE UH, CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES. SO, UH, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST THAT IT, UH, TO ARGUE ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. AND ADDITIONALLY, THE RU ZONING DISTRICT, AGAIN, WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING LOTS WITHIN THE URBAN AREA, INCLUDING THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO, THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION, RU CONFORMS, THE UNDERLYING USE IS RECOMMENDING RECOMMENDED FOR THE GENERAL AREA SET FORTH IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. UH, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE RELATED TO OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, DID DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THEY DID SUBMIT AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION, THIS IS, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, TO DEVELOP ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. BASSETT? THANK YOU MR. BASSETT. THANK YOU. WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD? WOULD YOU MIND GIVING US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, SIR? HI, MY NAME'S RANDY CRAVER. ADDRESS 1 1 6 0 8 SETH WARNER DRIVE. GLEN ALLEY. NOW I JUST WANNA SAY WE AGREE WITH WHAT THE, UH, STAFF HAS SAID AND, UH, WE'RE HERE FOR ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. THE HOMES THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD THERE, IT, IT IS A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOME, UM, NICE LITTLE HOMES. IT'LL DEFINITELY BE A UPLIFT FOR THE STREET, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO WHAT'S THERE. NOW. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, I WOULD OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. I, I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NEED TO OPEN IT. CHAIR. YOU DO. I'M SORRY, . I'M GONNA OPEN IT ANYWAY. THERE WAS A, AND MR. CHAIR, THERE WAS A DANIEL BOGUS OR BUGIS, B-U-G-O-S. VIRGOS. VIRGOS. OKAY. SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME THE QUESTION THOUGH? NO, HE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, THAT'S MY BROTHER-IN-LAW. OH, ALL RIGHT. IS IS, UH, YEAH, HE DOESN'T LIKE TO SPEAK TO MYSELF. I SPEAK. OKAY. OKAY. , IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE WE WANT TO CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING [00:45:01] SESSION OKAY. IS UP TO US, GENTLEMEN. ALRIGHT. BE RESOLVED IN AN ORDER TO ASSURE SOMEBODY ELSE WANT TO DO IT. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? HUH? DID YOU SAY YOU WANTED TO DO THAT? NO, I DIDN'T SAY I WANTED TO DO THAT. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. I WAS JUST GONNA, YOU GOT A QUESTION? I I, WELL, IT IS NOT REALLY A QUESTION. I GUESS IT'S JUST A KIND OF A STATEMENT. I, THE LAST CASE, UM, HAD PUT A GARAGE ON TO ELIMINATE STREET PARKING. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF NICE IDEA, WHICH THEY WERE BUILDING UP. THAT, THAT THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING REWORKED, BEING BUILT. AND THE IDEA OF HAVING A GARAGE PULLING CARS OFF THE STREET, I THOUGHT WAS A PRETTY NICE IDEA. I WAS JUST WONDERING, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, IN FACT, I WAS GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT BEFORE HE SAT DOWN IF HE'D GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO DOING THAT. IT'S NOT THAT I'M REQUIRING IT, I'M JUST, JUST ASKING IF I THOUGHT IF HE'D GIVE IT TO HIM, HE WOULD ACTUALLY JUST COME FORWARD. WELL, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A GARAGE, BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE DRIVEWAY. SO WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE ALL STREET PARKING. OKAY? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. BE RESOLVED IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6 A SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH IS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED, IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT REZONING P DASH 25 DASH FIVE BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD SUPERVISOR. SECOND, BE LOUDER THAN ANYBODY ELSE. I'M SORRY. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. TUS? YES. MR. TUCKER? YES. MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. HAYES? YES. AND MR. HARWELL? YES. SEVEN MEMBERS, PRESIDENT VOTING IP DASH 25 DASH FIVE HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR. THANK YOU, SIR. CAN I, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THESE TWO CASES TO STAFF? MR. CHAIRMAN, AM I HEARING THAT YOU'RE GOING BACK TO THAT, THAT AREA TO ASK FOR THAT? REMEMBER HOW WE WERE GONNA GET ALL THESE REZONED SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO KEEP DOING CASE BY CASE BY CASE? DID I NOT HEAR SOMETHING FROM EITHER TAMMY OR SOMEBODY THAT Y'ALL WERE GONNA GO BACK AND TALK TO THESE PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN ABOUT THAT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP HEARING CASES LIKE THIS? UH, MS. CHIMA, WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, BASICALLY A TOWN HALL MEETING FOR THAT COMMUNITY WITH, UM, BOARD MEMBER, UH, BONNER, MS. BONNER. UM, BUT THERE, UM, GOING INTO THAT MEETING, UM, SHE JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, SPECIFIC CON UH, CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAY HAVE WITH REZONINGS WITHIN THE, THE, UH, COMMUNITY. AND ALSO TO BE SURE THAT EVERYONE WAS AWARE, UM, WHAT THE RU ZONING DISTRICT IS AND ANY ISSUES RELATED TO THAT. UH, WE DID HAVE THAT COMMUNITY MEETING AND COMING OUT OF THAT MEETING, THERE WAS NOT A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, REZONING, UM, THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AT, AT ONE TIME ALL THE PROPERTIES RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO AT THIS TIME, UM, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY TYPE OF OVERALL REZONING FOR THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA. ALRIGHT. TO FOLLOW THAT UP, I WOULD ASK, AND MAYBE LEGAL HAS AN OPINION ON THIS. WE HAVE HEARD NOW ABOUT EIGHT OF THESE, THEY'RE ALL IDENTICAL TO ONE ANOTHER. IT'S PRETTY REDUNDANT TO SIT AND LISTEN TO YOU EVERY TIME. SIT AND GIVE THAT WHOLE CASE WHEN WE KNOW EXACTLY NOW WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN WE DO THIS, CAN WE STREAMLINE THIS, THE STAFF PART OF THIS TO AT LEAST MAKE THESE QUICKER? OR IS IT LEGALLY YOU HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING? YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. IN FACT, I THOUGHT MR. BASSETT DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB. THIS HE HAS STREAMLINED. YEAH, HE HAS. I MEAN, BUT LET ME, I MR. BASS, IF Y'ALL PLANNING CONCURS WITH THIS, LET LET MARK AND I AND STAFF GET TOGETHER AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS. OKAY. SEE WHAT MIKE COULD BE COULD BE DONE. I'LL GIVE YOU, THERE'S MORE TO COME. I MEAN, YES, THERE ARE, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE THE ONLY, THERE ARE, WE DO KNOW. WE DO HAVE SOME OTHERS [00:50:01] IN THE PIPELINE. IT JUST MAY, I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS. IT JUST, WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG. WELL, SOME, SOME, IF I'M NOT MISUNDERSTOOD OUTTA Y'ALL'S MEETING. SOME, SOME PEOPLE WERE KIND OF UPSET THAT THEY WERE REZONING A LOT OF IT WON'T. THEY IS WHAT I GOT. YES. YES. THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT YEAH. THE, THE REZONING OF, THAT'S WHERE THEY'D COME BACK. SOME OF THE PROPERTIES. OKAY. WE WOULDN'T BE TAKING AWAY THE, UH, FOR OUR PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT IT, WOULD WE? NO. JUST BY MAKING IT FASTER, WE STILL GET TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. RIGHT. SO I I WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION IF YOU COULD MAKE IT SORT OF LIKE A CONSENT AGENDA UNLESS THERE IS A PUBLIC, UNLESS THERE IS PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK AND THEN GO INTO THE DETAILS. RIGHT? I AGREE. WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THE WAY IT'S DONE NOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC, YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. WELL, I, I KNOW THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS TO HAPPEN. YEAH. AND THAT, BUT LIKE, WHEN STAFF GOT UP, WE COULD ASK, IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS? AND IF IT'S NOT DISMISSED WITH THE READING OF THE REPORT THAT IT'S THERE FOR PEOPLE AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO FORWARD. YES. I MEAN BASICALLY THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE TO MARK AND I AND STAFF KIND OF SIT DOWN AND BRAINSTORM ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. APPRECIATE THAT. GOOD. IS IT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT THAT'S LEFT THE, I MEAN, I THINK SO. IT IS QUITE A BIT BECAUSE I, I RODE THROUGH THERE A FEW DAYS AGO, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I'M OUT AND ROUND. I RODE THROUGH THERE. I I SEE A LOT OF, LOTS IN THERE. POTENTIAL TO BE COMING TO LOOK. OKAY. I MEAN, I SEE SOME OF THE NEW HOUSES AND THEY DO, THEY LOOK GOOD IN THERE. SOME OF THE NEW HOUSES AND EVERYTHING. I, I WOULD THINK WITH ALL THESE HOUSES GOING IN THERE WOULD REACH A TIPPING POINT WHERE THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT. I WOULD THINK SO. I I THAT, YEAH. NOT RIGHT NOW THOUGH. ON THE LAST, LAST MONTH, I GO THERE, TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THEY ARE NOT, A LOT OF 'EM JUST DON'T WANT IT THERE FOR SOME REASON. I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE. THEY'RE NOT COMING. I KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I SAID TO BRENDA. BRENDA AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT. BUT A LOT OF 'EM WILL TELL US WHEN WE WALK, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THERE OR WHEN WE GO TO THE CHURCH AND HAVE MEETINGS. THEY'RE NOT IN FAVOR. THEY DON'T LIKE THE HOUSES. THEY DON'T LIKE THIS. BUT THEY DON'T COME AND VOICE WHAT THEY THINK AT ANY OF THE MEETINGS. YOU KNOW? I THOUGHT I HAD HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, SAYING, BECAUSE I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT JUST IN GENERAL, THESE LAST ONES THAT HAVE COME HERE, YOU KNOW, I I I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S FRUSTRATED ME IN 20 SOME YEARS OF THIS IS NOBODY SHOWS UP HERE, BUT NEXT MONTH THERE'LL BE A CACOPHONY OF FOLKS. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, IN RECENT CASES THAT WE'VE HAD, I, I THINK WE'VE HAD LITTLE TO NO FOLKS HERE. BUT HAS, WAS THAT DIFFERENT AT THE BOARD MEETINGS? UH, THE BOARD MEETINGS, FRANKLY, THERE'S, THEY MAY, THERE MAY BE FOUR DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE COME, BUT ONLY, I THINK IN THE, AT THE LAST MEETING, ONLY TWO INDIVIDUALS SPOKE AND ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS WAS NOT IN OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING, WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, HIS PROPERTY THAT HE OWNED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU KNOW, HOW HE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPING HIS PROPERTY. SO OVERALL, NO, THERE'S BEEN NO TRUE OPPOSITION AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, RELATED TO THE REZONINGS, THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WHO'VE SPOKE AGAINST IT AND HAD CONCERNS. I THOUGHT THE ONE, THE CASE WITH THE, UH, DOLLAR GENERAL AND FORD WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE. HARDLY ANYBODY CAME HERE, BUT I JUST HAPPENED TO WATCH THAT NIGHT JUST 'CAUSE I NEEDED SOMETHING ENTERTAINMENT THAT NIGHT. BUT I WATCHED THE BOARD MEETING AND HIS PLACE WAS PACKED, RIGHT? CORRECT. BUT HE'S GOT A COUPLE UPCOMING CASES IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS. AND I, I'M TELLING PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, YOU NEED TO FILL THIS PLACE UP. THANKS. HEY , THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO? IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT HAVE TO DRAW A RADIUS OF 10 SQUARE MILES TO FILL IT UP, BUT, UH, RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LENIENCY, SIR. NO PROBLEM. NO PROBLEM. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS. DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS STAFF? HAS NO OLD BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THE NEW BUSINESS, [9. NEW BUSINESS] UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR. AS, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE AMENDED THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE, UM, YOU ALL MAKING, UM, RECOMMENDATION ON THE, UM, FFY 2026 THROUGH FY 2035 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM AS PRESENTED BY MR. MASSEN GIL, AT YOUR WORKSHOP MEETING, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE [00:55:02] SECOND, I SECOND IT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, RIGHT? YES. WAS WAS THAT, UH, MR. TITUS OR MR. SIMMONS? I'M SORRY. UH, MR. LANGLE. MR. LANGLEY? NO. MR. LANGLEY MO YOU, YOU PICK WHOEVER YOU WANT. THANK YOU SIR. . MR. CUNNINGHAM? AYE. MR. SIMMONS? AYE. MR. TUCKER? AYE. MR. TITUS AYE. MR. LANGLEY AYE. HAYES? YES. AND MR. HARLE? YES. ALL MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING? AYE. FY 25 20, WHAT IS THAT? 2025 TO FYI 2035 CIP WAS APPROVED BY THE, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE NEW BUSINESS? I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WAS 2026 TO 2030. YES. IFY 2026 TO 20 20 35. RECOMMENDED POOL. OKAY. COMMISSIONER'S [10. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] COMMENTS? ANYONE? YES, I GOT ONE. I JUST WANTED TO REPORT BACK TO YOU ALL. I THINK I MENTIONED THIS LAST MONTH, BUT, UH, AS PART OF MY ROLE REPRESENTING US ON THE, UH, PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION, I VOLUNTEERED FOR THE, UH, TO BE ON A GROUP LOOKING AT TRYING TO POTENTIALLY ESTABLISH A, UH, TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY AND JUST WANNA REPORT BACK ON THAT. WE HAD OUR, WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE IS ROUGHLY 7.70 CENTS OF GASOLINE TAX. AND I THINK SEVEN TENTHS OF A PERCENT OF SALES TAX THAT CURRENTLY IS COLLECTED HERE IN THE COUNTY AND GOES TO VDOT TO REALLY BE DISTRIBUTED AROUND THE STATE. MEANING WE DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF BIG WHACK AT IT. AND IN THE, I ALWAYS SAY WHEN I GO TO THESE MEETINGS, MY PART OF THE COUNTY LAST GOT A SIX YEAR PLAN PROJECT IN 1989. OKAY? SO, UM, THE POINT IS IT'S PRETTY SPARSE. AND SO THE REASON I'M ADVOCATING FOR THIS IS IT WOULD GIVE SOME POTENTIAL FOR THE LOCALITY IN THE REGION TO HAVE PROJECTS, UM, THAT WOULD BE PRIORITIZED LOCALLY AS OPPOSED BY VDI. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I'M JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM Y'ALL AS WE GO ON. I, I'D LIKE TO GET PLENTY OF FEEDBACK. YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT LIKE THE WAY THE RICHMOND AREA HAS DONE THAT KIND OF 50 50, IF YOU WILL, HALF THE MONEY GOES TO REGIONAL PRIORITIES. THE OTHER HALF WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION, IN THIS CASE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS TO WHAT THE PROJECTS WOULD BE. UM, SO RATHER THAN THAT MONEY GETS SPREAD OUT AROUND A WHOLE COMMONWEALTH, I'M, UH, TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT COMING BACK HOME TO US. AND, UM, THE, THE CHALLENGES IS THAT WHATEVER REGION WE COME UP WITH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT REGIONS OTHER THAN JUST THE PDC ITSELF, EVERY LOCALITY'S ELECTED BOARD WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THIS. UH, AND THEN SECONDARILY, YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY TO CARRY IT THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. AND THAT'S WHERE I SEE THE BIG RUB COMING IN BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY IN THE STATE DOES THIS, THAT TAKES MONEY AWAY FROM OVERALL VDO. SO, UM, NORTHERN, IN MY OPINION, NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND HAMPTON ROADS AREA WOULD BE THE, UM, HAVE THE MOST OPPOSITION TO THIS. ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT'S MOVING FORWARD. IF YOU'VE GOT ANY THOUGHTS ON IT, WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT, I'LL BE GLAD TO TALK WITH ANY OF Y'ALL ABOUT THAT. UH, IT'S KIND OF NEAR AND DEAR TO ME AND I'D LOVE TO TALK TO ANYBODY ABOUT IT. JUST SEND THEM MY WAY. OKAY. WELL, I, MR. HAYES, I JUST WANTED TO ADD HAMPTON ROADS AS THEIR OWN AUTHORITY, CORRECT? WELL, RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOUR AUTHORITIES IN THE, UH, COMMONWEALTH. ONE IS IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. WHEN IT WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED, IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THEY HAD, BECAUSE THEY HAD APPOINTED OFFICIALS SPENDING TAX MONEY. SO IT HAD TO BE REVAMPED FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS. UH, HAMPTON ROADS HAD ONE SECOND, THE SECOND ONE, RICHMOND HEADS THE THIRD ONE, AND THEN THE I 81 CARD OR REPRESENTS THE FOURTH. SO I 81 CARD OR EVERY JURISDICTION THAT ABUTS 81 IS IN THE SAME, HAS THE SAME SITUATION WITH A STIPULATION. IT HAS TO BE FOR I 81 OR RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. SO FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE PDC, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, 85 OR 60 58 MAYBE THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO LOOK AT THOSE CORRIDORS AS WELL. SO, UM, BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S FOUR TODAY AND UM, IT'S GOT AN UPHILL BATTLE. BUT I JUST FOUND IT INTERESTING WHAT YOU SAID. WE MAY HAVE OPPOSITION FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND HAMPTON ROADS, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR AUTHORITIES . WELL, WELL, YEAH. THE ISSUE THERE IS THAT WITH THE POLITICAL POWER AND THE COMMONWEALTH BEING THERE, THOSE AREAS, THEY UTILIZE THEIR TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FUNDS TO LEVERAGE TO GET SMART SCALE FUNDING. IT'S A GAME AND RIGHT. WE HAVE NO WAY TO DO THAT HERE IN OUR COUNTY EXCEPT WITH THE, IN THE MPO AREA, WHICH [01:00:01] IS VERY LIMITED. SO IF YOU'RE OUT IN, IF YOU'RE OUT IN THE DARVILLE AREA, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LEVERAGE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST SITTING THERE WAITING LIKE WE HAVE SINCE 1989. BUT, UH, UM, BUT IT, IT'S ALL ABOUT THEIR LOSS OF ABILITY TO LEVERAGE IS WHAT'S AT STAKE. . YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? MARK, I GOT TWO THINGS IF YOU DON'T MIND. ONE YOU PROBABLY ALREADY ANSWERED FOR ME, AND I DON'T KNOW, THE SPECIAL EVENT THAT'S COMING OUT ON BROWNS ROAD. HAVE THEY DID ALL THEIR PAPERWORK AND ALL THAT SEEN NOW? YES, THEY SUBMITTED ALL THEIR PAPERWORK FOR ONE SINGLE SPECIAL EVENT, JUST ONE IN THE FALL. AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED THEIR PAPERWORK, UH, TO REQUEST A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS AN EVENT FACILITY. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE COMING LATER IN THE FALL AFTER THEY HAVE THEIR ONE ALLOWED SPECIAL EVENT ON THE PROPERTY. SO THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PAPERWORK FOR THOSE. I JUST SEEN A LOT, I SEEN A LOT OF WORK GOING ON OVER THERE AND A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND LOOKS LIKE SHEDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE BEING DELIVERED SET IN THE MIDDLE OF FIELDS AND STUFF. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I ASKED. I WAS GONNA SAY, AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, CAN WE KIND OF BRAINSTORM WHAT ALL NEEDS TO BE KIND OF CHECKED OUT ON THAT? IT MAY HELP US WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT DOWN THE ROAD. AND AGAIN, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, I GOT TRANSPORTATION ON THE BRAIN, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. BUT MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING FOR THE JUNE. YEAH, JUNE TRANSPORTATION, UH, SAFETY MEETING. BUT I WOULD ENVISION, UH, PORTABLE TRAFFIC COUNTERS PUT UP, YOU KNOW, ALONG DIFFERENT ROUTES THAT GO THERE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON THAT MAY HELP WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT MAY HELP IN THAT REGARD TOO. YEAH, I AGREE. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. IF ANY OF YOU ALL HAVE ANY CONDITIONS THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT RELATED TO THAT FACILITY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SUCH AS WHAT YOU INDICATED MR. HAYES. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I, I AGREE. WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT TRANSPORTATION SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING. AND MY, MY LAST THING, MARK, AND PROBABLY I MIGHT NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH MS. EMERSON SINCE SHE CALLED ME OUT. UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME DEALINGS, UH, AS FAR AS ANIMAL CONTROL AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS CONCERNED. BUT THE NEW THING ABOUT THESE SHOP MEETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT DO HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM GUIDELINES TO BE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN IT, THE STATE AND LOCAL WAS WROTE IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT ANYTHING ELSE OR WHATEVER, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TRACTOR SUPPLY CUTTING THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY SAY THEY REALLY GOT NO WAY OF CHECKING EVERYBODY. THEY NORMALLY JUST LET PEOPLE PULL UP, OPEN THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY JUST DO WHATEVER THEY DO. NOBODY GOES OUT AND SAYS, HEY, I WANT TO SEE YOUR VACCINES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I GOT [11. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS] PLAN, DIRECT COMMENTS. YEAH. MS. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE ONE ITEM SO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, UM, OUR PLANNER ONE, UH, MS. HALEY, HE, UM, RESIGNED FROM THE COUNTY AND ACCEPTED A, A NEW POSITION IN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU ALL AWARE OF THAT. SO YOU WEREN'T, UM, WONDERING IF, IF YOU DO WONDER, UH, WHERE THAT STAFF PERSON IS. BUT SHE'S ACCEPTED ANOTHER POSITION AGAIN IN THAT NEIGHBORING COUNTY. SO, WHICH COUNTY JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT? WHICH COUNTY? UH, SURREY COUNTY. OH, THAT'S NOT A NEIGHBORING COUNTY. HE'S WAY ON. RELATIVELY NEIGHBOR. I FIGURED YOU WERE THE CROW FLIES. DID YOU SAY SIRI? YES. I HOPE MIKE IS SCALPING OUR PEOPLE. . I, I, SHE, SHE SHOULD HAVE TALKED WITH ME FIRST. LET'S SAY . I WONDERED IF HE WAS NO, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. I'M JUST KIDDING. , BUT JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. SO THAT JOB IS BACK OUT FOR HIRE? UH, IT WILL BE. IT'S NOT CURRENTLY, BUT IT WILL BE. OKAY. ARE YOU LOOKING AT JOB MR. TIM? NO, I'M NOT . I WAS SURPRISED WE DIDN'T HEAR ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR YOU IN THE STAFFING PLAN EARLIER. I WAS, I WAS, I STARTED TO SAY SOMETHING AND I SAID NO. PROBABLY NOT A GOOD PLACE TO SAY. UM, WE DID HAVE, UH, ONE POSITION PROPOSED, UH, FOR CODE COMPLIANCE AS PART OF OUR BUDGET [01:05:01] THAT WAS, UM, PROMOTED BY, UM, JUST TO LOOK AT BY THE BOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE BUDGET THOUGH AT THIS POINT HAVE NOT SEEN THE APPROVED BUDGET OR PROPOSED BUDGET FOR APPROVAL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOTION ADJOURN. SECOND . ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A WE ARE ADJOURNED. ME. YOU DIDN'T GIMME A CHANCE. DIDN'T GIMME. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.