[ 1. CALL TO ORDER]
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WE ARE ABOUT TO START OUR REGULAR MEETING, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR OCTOBER THE EIGHTH.AND I'M ACCORDING TO CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING.
AND I ASK THAT WE STAND AND CALL THE LISA TO THE FLAG IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE, A P TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STAINS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY BEING JUST ALL.
CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. SIMMONS? HERE.
WE HAVE AN AGENDA AND WE HAVE ENOUGH.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT STEP, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THE, UM, FOR THE NIGHT, PLEASE.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IF THERE'S NO CHANGES.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ITEM, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.IF THERE'S NO CHANGES, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
WE'RE NOW AT THE POINT FOR, UH, CITIZENS' COMMENTS FOR THE ON THE AGENDA.
MR. GERDY, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR CITIZENS' COMMENTS? MR. CHAIR? NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[ 7. PUBLIC HEARING]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR, OUR NEXT CASE.OUR FIRST CASE FOR THE NIGHT, CASE NUMBER P DASH 25 DASH 12.
AS YOU INDICATED, OUR FIRST, UH, PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS FOR REZONING CASE P 25 DASH 12.
IT'S JUST THE OVERALL, UH, SITE PLAN, UH, FOR THE SUBJECT REZONING REQUEST THIS EVENING.
UH, THE REQUEST THAT, UH, WE'RE HEARING THIS EVENING IS TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL TO SED, OUR UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT.
JUST TO NOTE, UH, AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, THERE HAS ALSO BEEN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST SUBMITTED, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THE OPERATION OF THE PROPOSED USE UTILITY SCALE, UH, SOLAR ENERGY FACILITY.
UM, THAT CASE WILL BE HEARD, UH, AFTER, AFTER THIS CASE.
UH, THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING, UH, IS BOBBY RODRIGUEZ FOR DW LOU JONES, LLC.
UM, THEY'RE A WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF AMOR, LLC, UM, AND THEY ALSO HAVE THEIR, UH, AGENT ADINA M PATTERSON.
AGAIN, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, FROM A TWO, UH, AGRICULTURAL GENERAL TO THE SED SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE, YOU CAN SEE IS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED THIS EVENING.
IT'S 308, UM, APPROXIMATELY 308 ACRES, UM, THAT THROUGHOUT THE APPLICATION IS REFERRED TO AS THE PROJECT.
UM, AND THE OVERALL, UH, PARCEL SIZE IS 890 ACRES AND IT'S JUST ONE PARCEL, UH, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 55 DASH 31.
AGAIN, THE ONLY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING FOR REZONING IS THE 308 ACRE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
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UH, CURRENTLY THIS IS AN EXISTING, UH, TIMBER TRACK, UH, BEING, UH, TIMBERED AND, UM, AND DOES HAVE THE AS AS WE ALL CAN SEE, THE FRONTAGE ON LOU JONES ROAD, UH, SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY ARE, UM, SOME SINGLE FAMILY, UH, STABLE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS OF COURSE OTHER AGRICULTURAL, UH, PROPERTIES AS WELL IN THE AREA.ALL THE, UH, SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL B TWO.
UM, LOOKING AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THIS GENERAL AREA WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS OWNED, UH, UH, RESOURCE, UH, RURAL CONSERVATION, UH, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UH, RENEWABLE ENERGY, SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION, UM, MAY ACCOUNT, UH, FOR, UM, AS A GENERAL USE, UH, WITHIN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
UM, TECHNICALLY, UH, IT'S REFERRED TO AS A, UM, POTENTIALLY A SECONDARY USE OF PROPERTY, UH, WITHIN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
UH, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE ARE ALSO RELEVANT SECTIONS THAT GENERALLY, UH, TALK ABOUT, UM, PRIME AGRICULTURAL LANDS, UH, SENSITIVE LANDS AND HABITATS, AIR AND LIGHT, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE.
UM, ALSO LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS.
I DISCUSSED THOSE, UH, THAT SOLAR, UH, MAY BE A SECONDARY USE OF PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
UM, LOOKING AT IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT, UM, THE APPLICANT DID ADDRESS, UH, THE IMPACTS OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AT LEAST, UH, ADDRESS THOSE FROM THEIR STANDPOINT RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THEY LOOKED AT ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES, THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.
UM, THEY INDICATED THAT, UM, THERE'S NO FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL CONSERVATION OR RECREATION LANDS ON THE PROPERTY.
NO AIRPORTS, NO CHURCHES, SCHOOLS OF COURSE, NO SCENIC BYWAYS, SCENIC RIVERS.
UM, IT'S NOT WITHIN THE URBAN OR COMMUNITY PLANNING AREA.
NO THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES.
UM, OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED ALL THE WETLANDS AND STREAMS AND, UM, AS PART OF THEIR, UM, STATE AND FEDERAL PERMITTING, IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED FOR, UH, REZONING AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE PERMITTING PROCESS THROUGH DEQ WHERE THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET THE FEDERAL, ANY RELEVANT STATE AND FEDERAL, UM, PERMITS RELATED TO, UM, WETLANDS, CULTURAL, AND HISTORIC RESOURCES AS WELL.
UM, RELATING TO THE FISCAL IMPACT FOR THE PROJECT, THEY DID OUTLINE THE FISCAL IMPACTS, UH, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
THE ESTIMATED, UH, ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE, UM, THEY'RE ESTIMATING 12 DIRECT AND THREE INDIRECT AND LOCAL JOBS, UH, RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, 892,000 APPROXIMATELY IN ASSOCIATED LOCAL WAGES AND BENEFITS, 5 MILLION IN LOCAL ECONOMIC OUTPUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND 1000 400, 140 3000 STATE AND LOCAL TAX REVENUE.
UM, LOOKING AT, UH, ANTICIPATED REVENUES TO THE COUNTY RELATED TO THE SUBJECT PROJECT, UM, THEY HAVE, THEY LISTED THREE SCENARIOS.
SCENARIO ONE ANTICIPATES THAT 3.3 MILLION IN CUMULATIVE COUNTY REVENUE OVER THE F FACILITIES ANTICIPATED 35 YEAR OPERATIONAL LIFE FROM TAXES LEVIED ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND MACHINERY AND TOOLS, ASSUMING THAT THE PROJECT IS
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INDEPENDENTLY OWNED.UM, THE SECOND SCENARIO PROVIDES $2.5 MILLION IN COMMUNITY CUMULATIVE COUNTY REVENUE OVER THE FACILITIES ANTICIPATED 35 YEAR OPERATIONAL LIFE FROM TAXES LEVIED ON THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT.
IF THE PROJECT IS UTILITY OWNED, SCENARIO THREE ESTIMATES THE PROJECT WILL PROVIDE $2.2 MILLION IN COMMUN COMMU CUMULATIVE COUNTY REVENUE OVER THE FACILITATED FACILITIES.
ANTICIPATED 35 YEAR OPERATIONAL LIFE FROM PAYMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH A LOCALLY ADOPTED REVENUE SHARE ORDINANCE BASED ON THE GENERATION CAPACITY, UH, WHICH IS 20 MEGAWATTS AND WOULD INCLUDE A 10% ESCALATOR EVERY FIVE YEARS.
PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE, THE CURRENT PROJECT AREA WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $25,100 TOTAL REVENUE OVER 35 YEARS.
UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, COMMUNITY IMPACTS, UM, THE APPLICANT DID HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING RELATED TO THE SUBJECT, UH, PROPOSED FACILITY ON JUNE 26TH, 2025.
AND THEY INCLUDED IN THEIR REPORT THAT THEY HAD SEVEN PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THE MEETING.
UM, SIGNAGE RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
ALL SIGNAGE WOULD BE LIMITED TO THOSE REQUIRED FOR SECURITY AND SAFETY.
AND, UM, THOSE ARE RESTRICTED BY OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AS WELL.
UM, NOISE, THEY'RE INDICATING THAT EXCEPT DURING CONSTRUCTION, THERE WILL BE LIMITED NOISE CREATED BY THE PROJECT GROUNDWATER MONITORING.
THEY DO HAVE, UM, CONDITIONS WITHIN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT RELATED TO GROUNDWATER MONITORING.
SO THERE WOULD BE GROUNDWATER MONITORING, UH, RELATED TO THE PROJECT IMPACT TO COUNTY SERVICES, THERE WILL BE LIMITED IMPACTS TO COUNTY SERVICES INSTRUCTION AND TRAINING WILL BE PROVIDED FOR FIRE AND EMSS RELATED TO ANY TYPE OF ONSITE EMERGENCY THAT THAT COULD ARISE FROM THE SUBJECT PROJECT.
UM, SECURITY, THEY DO HAVE SECURITY FENCING ALL AROUND THE DIFFERENT ARRAYS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THE DARK BLUE AREAS, UH, WOULD ALL BE FENCED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND THE FENCE FENCES WILL BE SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, UM, TOPPED WITH ONE FOOT OF BARBED WIRE.
UM, THEY DO INDICATE WHAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN.
THE FENCED AREAS DO ALLOW FOR, UM, GAPS, UH, WITHIN THE PANEL ARRAYS.
UM, FOR WILDLIFE CROSSINGS, THERE WILL BE TO PROVIDE, UH, WILDLIFE CROSSINGS THROUGH THE SITE.
UM, THEY DID ADDRESS THE VISUAL IMPACTS LANDSCAPING SCREENING AND BUFFERING OF THE PROJECT.
UM, OVERALL THE PROJECT DOES HAVE A, UH, 75 FOOT, UH, SETBACK, AND THEY'RE, UM, ATTEMPTING TO PRESERVE, UM, ALL OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING, UH, WITHIN THAT 75 FOOT AREA, 75 FOOT IN FROM THE PROJECT BOUNDARY.
UM, THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE, NOT BE PART OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
UM, AND AGAIN, THEY WOULD BE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT EXISTING VEGETATION.
THEY DO INDICATE THAT ALONG LOU JONES ROAD THERE WOULD BE A 25 FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER, UM, THAT WOULD BE ADDED, UM, INSIDE OF THE 75 FOOT SETBACK.
THEY WOULD HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNINGS IN THIS AREA AS WELL TO SCREEN THE PROJECT.
UM, TRAFFIC IMPACTS, UM, AS YOU ALL, UH, I'M SURE SAW WITHIN THE PACKET, UM, THEY DID PREPARE A PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND, UM, UH, RELATED TO THAT, UM, IN THE CONDITIONS THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED, AND THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY VDOT.
ALSO, THE, THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO ENTRANCES YOU CAN SEE ON EACH, UM, END OF THE SITE, UM, INTO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THOSE ENTRANCES WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL VO REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS FOR, UM, THOSE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCES TO THE PROJECT,
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AND OF COURSE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR PERMITTING PROJECT AS WELL.UM, THEY ADDRESS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL.
UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY RELATED TO THE PROJECT AND, UH, DEQ REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
AND ALL THOSE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS, THEY DO HAVE A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PROJECT AS WELL, AND DECOMMISSIONING WOULD BE HANDLED UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UH, TO OUTLINE THE PROJECT THIS EVENING.
AND, UH, AT THIS TIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE.
MENTIONED THAT THEY DID HAVE A MEETING AND THERE WERE SEVEN PEOPLE ATTENDING.
YES, THAT'S DO DO YOU HAVE ANY INDICATIONS WHETHER THEY WERE THERE TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF THE PROPOSAL? I DON'T THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT ONE.
I HAVE A QUESTION JUST OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, UNDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, YES, THE REPORT, THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THERE WERE NO THREATENED OR ENDANGERED SPECIES, BUT THE TIMMONS GROUP REPORT DID MENTION AN AMERICAN PIG TOE, WHICH I THINK IS A MUSCLE OF SOME SORT.
UM, IS THAT JUST NOT MENTIONED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE IMPACTED? UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO OKAY.
ANSWER THAT QUESTION BETTER THAN MYSELF.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? BEG YOU MR. BASSETT.
IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD PLEASE AND HAVE A STATEMENT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND AC COMPANY PLEASE.
MY NAME IS BOBBY, AND TONIGHT I'M REPRESENTING AMOR.
TRULY HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH Y'ALL TONIGHT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY FROM THIS DISTANCE? OKAY, GREAT.
I CAN TALK LOUDER IF THAT'S YEAH, OF COURSE.
UH, I'M GONNA START WITH THIS SLIDE HERE.
IT'S JUST GONNA GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE AGENDA FOR THIS SHORT PRESENTATION.
DO I HAVE TO AIM THE CLICKER IN A CERTAIN WAY? YEAH, OR I CAN JUST SAY NEXT SLIDE IF THAT'S EASIER.
UH, REACTIVATE YOUR, IF THERE ARE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS A PRINTED COPY AS WELL.
JUST PROBABLY THE AUDIENCE WOULD BE RIGHT NOW, PLEASE.
HELLO AGAIN, EVERYONE AGAIN, MY NAME IS BOBBY AND I'M REPRESENTING AMOR TONIGHT.
TRULY HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL.
BEING A DEVELOPER IS AN INTERESTING JOURNEY.
WE SPEND YEARS WORKING ON A PROJECT BEFORE IT FINALLY MAKES ITS WAY TO YOU.
WE KNOW THAT BY THE TIME WE'VE BROUGHT IN ENGINEERS, SURVEYORS AND EVERYONE NEEDED TO CREATE THE APPLICATION YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, EVERYTHING ULTIMATELY HINGES ON YOUR VOTE AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VOTES, SO NO PRESSURE.
THIS PROJECT, A 20 MEGAWATT SOLAR FACILITY NEAR LOAD JONES ROAD, IS A RESULT OF YEARS OF CAREFUL
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PLANNING AND LOCAL ENGAGEMENT.BY THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, I HOPE YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS PROJECT IS A PRODUCT OF THE MANY CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH NEIGHBORS, NONPROFITS, AND LOCAL LEADERS WHO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT PROTECTING DINWOODIE'S ENVIRONMENT, RURAL CHARACTER AND VALUES.
THOUGH I'M FROM RICHMOND JUST NEXT DOOR, I'VE SHARED THAT APPRECIATION AND I'VE WORKED TO ENSURE THIS PROJECT ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED.
I HOPE IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT THIS OPPORTUNITY REALLY REFLECTS THOSE PRIORITIES AND HAS BEEN SHAPED BY THE CARE WE'VE PUT INTO IT TOGETHER.
TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND, OUR SECOND SLIDE IS A QUICK OVERVIEW OF AMOR.
OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM BRINGS TOGETHER OVER 100 YEARS OF COMBINED EXPERIENCE IN OWNING, DEVELOPING, CONSTRUCTING, AND OPERATING PROJECTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE.
I ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT TITO, OUR VP OF DEVELOPMENT, AND MY BOSS IS HERE WITH US TONIGHT.
HE'S AVAILABLE TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.
SO WE'VE GOT A STRONG TEAM HERE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND THE COMMUNITY.
OKAY, NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW WE'VE DESIGNED OUR PROJECT AROUND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
FIRST ALONG LOU JONES ROAD, THE EXISTING VEGETATION SCREENING WILL REMAIN, AND WE'RE ADDING EVEN MORE VEGETATION TO ENSURE THE PROJECT IS NOT VISIBLE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT MAINTAINING RURAL CHARACTER IS CRUCIAL TO THE IDENTITY OF THIS AREA, AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO TAKING ANY SUGGESTIONS OR FEEDBACK YOU HAVE TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.
MARK POINTED OUT THE FENCE, BUT I ALSO WANNA REITERATE THAT WE'RE NOT FENCING THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT SITE.
IT'S LIMITED TO THE AREA AROUND THE PANELS.
SO WE'VE ALSO HEARD INPUT ABOUT WILDLIFE CORRIDORS.
AFTER MEETING WITH THE CREATOR PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION AND SHOWING THEM OUR SITE PLAN, THEY SUGGESTED ADDING MORE WILDLIFE CORRIDORS.
WE TOOK THAT TO HEART, REMOVED SOME FENCING AND ADDED CORRIDORS, WHICH I'LL POINT OUT IN THE PLAN.
UH, A LITTLE TRICKY TO POINT OUT FROM HERE, BUT, UH, IN BETWEEN, UH, PANEL CLUSTERS, THERE ARE THREE WILDLIFE CORRIDORS THAT ARE EXISTING, AND IT'S USUALLY BY WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE.
LASTLY, WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT WE'VE ADHERED TO ALL BUFFER SETBACK AND ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
NO VARIANCES HAVE BEEN REQUESTED, AND WE ARE FULLY IN COMPLIANCE.
IT'S ALSO WORTH ACKNOWLEDGING HOW THIS PROJECT DIFFERS FROM OTHERS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE IT.
IT'S CITED SO THAT IT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM MAJOR HIGHWAYS, AND WE'RE ONLY USING ABOUT 300 OF A 900 ACRE PARCEL.
THOSE ARE MEANINGFUL DISTINCTIONS, AND WE'VE WORKED HARD TO DESIGN A PROJECT THAT FITS THE CHARACTER OF THIS PLACE.
NOW, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT.
ACCORDING TO THE MANGO ECONOMIC STUDY, DURING CONSTRUCTION, THE PROJECT WILL GENERATE 5 MILLION IN LOCAL ECONOMIC OUTPUT.
OVER A 35 YEAR OPERATIONAL LIFE, IT'S EXPECTED TO CONTRIBUTE 3.3 MILLION IN CUMULATIVE COUNTY REVENUE.
WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT SOLAR PROJECTS IS THAT THEY QUIETLY GENERATE THIS REVENUE WITHOUT PLACING DEMANDS ON EMERGENCY SERVICES OR OTHER COUNTY RESOURCES.
THEY'RE NOT TAXING USERS IN THAT SENSE.
THEY SIMPLY PROVIDE BENEFITS WITHOUT ADDING STRAIN TO LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT REVENUE COULD HELP SUPPORT SCHOOLS, INFRASTRUCTURE, OR OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES WITHOUT BURDENING TAXPAYERS.
OUR GOAL IS FOR THIS PROJECT TO QUIETLY SUPPORT THE COUNTY IN THE BACKGROUND WHILE PRESERVING WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTY SPECIAL.
COMMUNITY INPUT HAS BEEN AT THE CENTER OF OUR PROCESS, SO I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS HERE.
WE HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING IN JUNE.
BEFORE SUBMITTING OUR APPLICATION AT THE RAGSDALE COMMUNITY CENTER MCKINNEY, WE SENT OUT MAILERS TO ALL ADJACENT LANDOWNER AND A FEW MORE ALONG LOU JONES ROAD, ESPECIALLY TO THE EAST, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE OUR TRAFFIC CORRIDOR.
WE ALSO ADVERTISE IN THE ITY MONITOR.
WHILE A COMMUNITY MEETING IS NOT REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE, WE WANTED TO HAVE IT TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THE PROJECT, GATHER FEEDBACK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.
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CURIOUS NEIGHBORS WHO WANTED TO LEARN MORE, AND REALLY APPRECIATED THOSE CONVERSATIONS.PERSONALLY, I'VE MADE AN EFFORT TO DRIVE ALONG LOU JONES ROAD, HOPING TO MEET NEIGHBORS, INTRODUCED MYSELF, AND LET THEM KNOW I'M AVAILABLE.
SEVERAL NEIGHBORS TOLD ME THEY'D HEARD RUMORS ABOUT A SUBDIVISION BEING BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY, AND WHEN I EXPLAINED THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A SOLAR PROJECT, THEY WERE RELIEVED AND PREFERRED THAT OVER A SUBDIVISION.
THAT FEEDBACK HELPED US PRIORITIZE CLEAR COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPARENCY THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT IS A NEW ADDITION TO THIS PRESENTATION IS A, A NEIGHBOR LETTER, A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM, UH, A NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR PROJECT ALONG LOU JONES ROAD.
TO WHOM I MAY CONCERN, I AM A PROPERTY OWNER THAT LIVES NEAR THE PROPOSED SITES, AND I'M WRITING TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED PROJECT AS IT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME.
IT'LL BE AN UNINTRUSIVE AND BENEFICIAL NEIGHBOR THAT SERVES A VERY IMPORTANT PURPOSE, GENERATING CLEAN ENERGY WITH LITTLE TO NO, UH, LITTLE TO NO TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SOUNDS LIKE GREAT, A GREAT IDEA THAT I AM GLAD TO ENDORSE.
GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING, WE ALSO SPOKE WITH THE LANDOWNER DIRECTLY TO THE WEST TO RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT AN ACCESS ROAD BEING TOO CLOSE TO THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THIS GOES BACK TO A QUESTION ABOUT HOW DID THE COMMUNITY MEETING GO? UH, I'D SAY THAT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO CAME OUT I HAD SPOKEN TO PREVIOUSLY, UM, BUT THIS LANDOWNER TO THE WEST, UH, CAME WITH HIS FATHER AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT OUR SITE PLAN, AND WE HAVE A, A LANDOWNER ACCESS ROAD THAT IS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
AND THEY ASKED US TO MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER EAST BECAUSE THEY, UH, AND WE DID, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE THAT FEEDBACK DIRECTLY INTO OUR DESIGN.
SO I SAY THAT THAT WAS THE ONE COMMENT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR DESIGN, BECAUSE WE HAD THIS MEETING BEFORE OUR APPLICATION SUBMITTAL.
I, NOW, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW WE'VE LISTENED AND RESPONDED TO COMMUNITY INPUT.
ALTHOUGH WE MADE SURE TO DO OUTREACH TO ALL ADJACENT NEIGHBORS IN ADVANCE SO WE COULD HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE SUBMITTING OUR APPLICATION.
THESE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORS HAD JUST MOVED IN ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
BECAUSE OF THAT, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THEM UNTIL AFTER THE APPLICATION HAD ALREADY BEEN FILED.
AFTER CONNECTING, THEY EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY A SECTION OF PANELS AND AN INVERTER NEAR THEIR SHARED PROPERTY LINE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED IN READ.
IN RESPONSE, WE AGREED TO REMOVE THAT SECTION OF PANELS AND THE INVERTER ENTIRELY FROM THE PLAN THAT CHANGE HAS NOW BEEN MADE, AND THOSE NEIGHBORS HAVE CONFIRMED IN WRITING THAT THEY NO LONGER OPPOSE THE PROJECT.
AS IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, WE'VE INCLUDED AN EXHIBIT SHOWING THE REFERENCE LAYOUT REFLECTING THIS ADJUSTMENT, AND WE TRULY APPRECIATE THE CONSTRUCTIVE AND RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE THAT HELPED US REACH THIS OUTCOME.
LET'S BRIEFLY ADDRESS PANEL SAFETY AND TECHNOLOGY.
WE KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT OLDER PANELS CONTAINING MATERIALS LIKE CADMIUM.
I WANNA REASSURE EVERYONE THAT THE PANELS WE'RE USING DO NOT, DO NOT CONTAIN CADMIUM OR OTHER HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
THE CONCERNS PEOPLE MAY HAVE OFTEN RELATE TO OLDER PANELS, NOT THE MODERN ONES WE'RE INSTALLING.
IN FACT, IN TERMS OF MATERIALS AND SAFETY, A SOLAR PANEL IS COMPARABLE TO SOMETHING AS EVERY DAY AS A CELL PHONE OR A LAPTOP.
IT'S BUILT TO BE SAFE AND DURABLE AND SOMETHING WE USE IN OUR HOMES EVERY DAY.
NOW LET'S TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE PLAN TO MAINTAIN THE SITE AND USE THE LAND RESPONSIBLY.
WE'RE COMMITTED TO USING POLLINATOR FRIENDLY NATIVE PLANTS LIKE CLOVER UNDER THE PANELS, WHICH HELP REDUCE EROSION AND RUNOFF.
IF THE COUNTY IS INTERESTED, WE'D ALSO LOVE TO EXPLORE VOLTAICS THINGS LIKE GRAZING SHEEP OR EVEN PLACING BEEHIVES ON SITE.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK TOGETHER ON THOSE POSSIBILITIES.
SAFETY IS ANOTHER TOP PRIORITY FOR US.
I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE FIRE CHIEFS, AS WELL AS BROOKE IN THE OFFICE TO, TO BEGIN DISCUSSING HOW WE CAN BE PROACTIVE.
IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, THAT WILL MARK THE START OF OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANNING.
WE'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY AND
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THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO ENSURE EVERYTHING IS SAFE AND WELL PREPARED.WE'RE HAPPY TO OFFER SITE TOURS OR HOST TRAINING SESSIONS FOR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS SO THEY'RE FULLY FAMILIAR WITH THE LAYOUT AND EQUIPMENT.
THINKING AHEAD TO THE END OF THE PROJECT'S LIFE, I WANNA TALK ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING AND RECYCLING.
THESE PANELS ARE BUILT TO LAST ABOUT 30 YEARS, SO THEY'LL BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
WHEN THEY DO REACH THE END OF THEIR LIFESPAN, WE ALREADY HAVE A FACILITY IN RICHMOND THAT CAN RECYCLE THEM.
AND, AND SINCE TECHNOLOGY IS ALWAYS EVOLVING, WE EXPECT THAT BY THE TIME THESE PANELS ARE READY TO BE DECOMMISSIONED, THE RECYCLING MARKET WILL BE EVEN MORE ADVANCED, MAKING THE PROCESS EASIER AND MORE EFFICIENT.
WE'RE COMMITTED TO HANDLING THEM RESPONSIBLY WHEN THE TIME COMES.
OUR DECOMMISSIONING PLAN ALSO INCLUDES FINANCIAL SECURITY TO ENSURE THAT EVEN IF OWNERSHIP CHANGES, THE PANELS ARE RESPONSIBLY REMOVED AND THE SITE IS RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE.
AS WE CLOSE, I JUST WANNA SAY HOW TRULY WONDERFUL THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN.
EVERY NEIGHBOR I'VE MET, EVERY ORGANIZATION, EVERY PERSON WHO'S TAKEN THE TIME TO INVITE ME INTO THEIR HOME HAS SHOWN SUCH OPENNESS AND KINDNESS.
WE'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO SIT DOWN, BREAK BREAD, AND REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT MATTERS.
I HOPE THIS PROJECT REFLECTS ONE OF COLLABORATION, RESPECT, AND COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING A PART OF THAT, AND I HOPE TO CONTINUE THIS JOURNEY WITH YOU.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE EXACT HEIGHT OF YOUR PANELS? THE TALLEST THEY COULD GET, UH, IS ABOUT 10 FEET.
AND YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE FENCING THE WHOLE PROJECT.
HOW MUCH OF THE PROJECT WOULD YOU BE FENCING? IT WAS A AREA AROUND THE PANELS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE IT'S REPRESENTED BY AN X AND A LINE, AND THAT DESIGNATES WHERE THE FENCE IS.
SO IF YOU LOOK WHERE THE PANELS ARE, AND THEN JUST LOOK RIGHT OUTSIDE OF IT, YOU'LL SEE THAT HATCH MARK AND A LINE.
I WAS, I JUST WASN'T ABLE TO FIND THAT.
I THINK THE BEST SLIDE TO REFER TO IS THE LAST ONE, NUMBER 18.
THAT SHOULD INCLUDE, UH, THE IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT WAS JUST ASKED, UM, INCLUDES THE HEIGHT OF THE PANEL AT 10 YEARS.
SORRY, DID YOU ASK THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE PANELS OR THE HEIGHT OF THE VEGETATION? NO.
DON'T LET ME, UH, CONFUSE THINGS.
SO TAKING PAGE 18, MORE OR LESS, THE EXISTING TREES THAT WERE LEFT AFTER TIMBERING, HOW FAR IN BEYOND THAT IN, IN HEAT WOULD BE YOUR BUFFER? SO RIGHT NOW, THE WE'RE PROPOSING IN CERTAIN AREAS TO HAVE ANOTHER 25 FEET OF VEGETATION BEYOND WHAT'S THERE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D LOVE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON.
UH, I KNOW THAT FOR SOME NEIGHBORS, EVERGREENS ARE IMPORTANT AND TO OTHERS IT'S, UM, THEY'D LIKE SOME MORE COLOR IN THERE.
SO, SO, SO WHAT'S JUST A ROUGH NUMBERS.
WHAT'S THE DISTANCE PLUS THE 25 FEET FROM THE ROAD? UH, FROM THE ROAD TO WHERE THE VEGETATION WILL STOP WILL BE AT LEAST 100 FEET.
AND SO YOU ASKED ABOUT SOME FEEDBACK.
UH, I GIVE YOU THIS FROM THE CONTEXT OF HAVING ALL THE LAND TIMBERED AROUND MY PROPERTY.
AND, UH, MY HOUSE IS EASILY FOUR, 500 FEET FROM ANY PROPERTY LINE, AND IT'S BEEN SIX OR SEVEN YEARS, AND I CAN STILL SEE THROUGH ALL THAT.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE MEETING OUR ORDINANCES, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT CONSIDERING SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER THAN A HUNDRED FEET, BECAUSE I THINK EVEN, BECAUSE ACTUALLY THERE'S A PERIOD IN TIME WHERE IT MIGHT BE PRETTY DENSE, BUT MM-HMM
UM, THE EXISTING TREES YOU SHOW ON PAGE, UH, SLIDE 18 MM-HMM
AND EVEN AT A HUNDRED FEET, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY VISIBLE.
SO I, I WOULD JUST THROW THAT OUT FOR CONSIDERATION THAT SOMETHING MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT WOULD OKAY.
THAT MAKE SENSE? I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
HOPEFULLY I'M ALREADY TI ALL YOU ALREADY
UM, THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING THOUGH.
THEY REALLY THREW ME TO THE WOLVES HERE.
UM, JUST CURIOUS, HOW MANY SOLAR PROJECTS DOES YOUR COMPANY CURRENTLY OVERSEE? WE HAVE
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AN OPERATING PROJECT IN, UH, IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE THAT ARE NOT ONLY IN PENNSYLVANIA, BUT UH, WE HAVE A FEW MORE THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING IN VIRGINIA, AND THEN, UM, A FEW OTHER STATES IN THE US.AND SO WHAT PHASES WOULD YOU SAY THOSE ARE? IN THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE IN PENNSYLVANIA, OURS PROJECT IS, UH, IN OPERATION.
IT, IT WAS JUST RECENTLY COMMISSIONED.
WE AS DEVELOPER, UM, NOT MANY DEVELOPERS CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE PROJECTS, BUT THE TEAM AT AMOR HAS SEEN IT THROUGH.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO, SO DO, AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE GENERAL SOLAR INDUSTRY.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT OFTENTIMES COMPANIES DON'T SEE IT THROUGH.
SO IS THAT A POTENTIAL THAT THIS GETS TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER COMPANY? I'D SAY AT THIS POINT, UH, THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAD A CONVERSATION JUST OUTSIDE.
SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A, A GREAT QUESTION FOR TITO TO, TO FOLLOW UP WITH BECAUSE HE'S ON MORE OF THAT SIDE OF THINGS, HIM BEING MY BOSS.
IT'S POSSIBLE, UM, BEING VERY TRANSPARENT.
UM, BUT, UH, CONSIDERING OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MUNICIPALITY, WE'RE VERY, VERY CAREFUL.
IN PARTICULAR, WHO, AND WE EVENTUALLY SELL IT TO BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE THE FIRST FACE TO BE INTRODUCED TO YOU, AND YOU'RE LIKELY GONNA HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE IF THINGS DON'T GO WELL.
IT'LL BE OUR NAME, IF YOU WILL.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHOMEVER MAY BE INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING THESE ASSETS IF IT IS APPROVED AND EVENTUALLY DEVELOPED AND BUILT.
IT'S ALSO HELD TO THE SAME LEVEL OF STANDARDS.
WE NOT ONLY HOLD OURSELF, BUT THE SAME STANDARDS YOU HOLD TO US, BUT TO ALLEVIATE ANY OF YOUR CONCERNS, ALL YOUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AS WELL AS ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS YOU PUT TO IT, WILL BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECT OWNING ENTITY.
SO THOSE LIABILITIES AND OBLIGATIONS WILL CARRY ALONG.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO ENDS UP OWNING IT.
SO THE BONDING, THE SECURITIZATIONS GOES WITH THE PROJECT ON AN ENTITY.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO WORRY ABOUT, BUT, UNDERSTANDABLE, YOUR QUESTION.
UM, AND JUST KIND OF ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION I'M ALLOWED TO ASK, BUT, UM, ARE, IS THERE FEDERAL FUNDING INVOLVED IN THIS? NO.
UM, ON THE EQUITY SIDE, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO RAISE THE CAPITAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, WE GO TO THE TRADITIONAL MARKET LIKE BANKS, TRY TO RAISE PARTNERS THAT MAY BE WILLING TO COME IN TO FUND IT AS WELL.
UM, WE HAVE TO BUILD IT, CONSTRUCT IT, GET IT INTO OPERATION BEFORE WE CAN EVEN START BEING ELIGIBLE FOR ANY POTENTIAL TAX INCENTIVE THAT COMES WITH IT.
UM, AND THOSE TAX INCENTIVES ARE THERE TO INCENTIVIZE, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT, DOMESTIC CONTENT, IF YOU WILL, UTILIZATION OF PREVAILING WAGES, UM, UM, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER INCENTIVIZATION, IF YOU WILL.
BUT WE HAVE TO PUT FORTH THE MONEY TO DEVELOP IT ALL THE TIME SPENT.
IT'S ALL ON OUR RISK AND THAT PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, UM, CONSTRUCTION, IT'S OUR MONEY EVEN BEFORE WE GET TO BEING ELIGIBLE FOR ANY PRESUMABLY TAX INCENTIVE.
MAY I ASK A FOLLOW UP? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
BUT ISN'T IT TRUE OVER THE LAST, UH, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS THAT ONCE YOU DO GET TO CONSTRUCTION, UH, A LOT OF PROJECTS HAVE BEEN FUNDED THROUGH, UH, FEDERAL SUBSIDIES, CONSTRUCTION OF IT, THE, IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU, THIS, THE, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD SUBSIDY 'CAUSE IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE AND POLITICIZED THESE DAYS.
SO YOU HAVE KIND OF HAVE TO TREAD LIGHTLY HERE.
UM, THE WAY THE, THE TAX CODE IS WRITTEN, YOU HAVE TO FIRST OF ALL MAKE PUT UP THE MONEY CONSTRUCTED, UM, BEFORE YOU CAN THEN APPLY FOR ANY AVAILABLE TAX INCENTIVES, IF YOU WILL.
THAT'S TAKING PART IN THE FINANCIAL MODELING.
THAT GOES IN CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU GO TO THE MARKET.
SO IF I NEED A HUNDRED MILLION TO BUILD THIS, UM, AND I GO TO BANK OF AMERICA AND SAY, HEY, UM, I CAN COME UP WITH 20 MILLION.
I NEED YOU GUYS TO COME UP WITH 80 MILLION, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER FACILITY, ANY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE YOU BID IN AMERICA, THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S DONE.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH.
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COME UP WITH 80 MILLION.UM, WHEN IT'S ALL BUILT AND DONE, THEN COLLECTIVELY, LOU JONES, LLC SAYS, HEY, WE'VE BUILT THE FACILITY.
UM, WE, WE USE PREVAILING WAGES, WE SOURCE DOMESTIC CONTENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO A LOT OF THE A HUNDRED MILLION HAS BEEN SPANKED IN THE UNITED STATES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SOME THINGS YOU CAN'T REALLY PROCURE HERE, BUT WE DON'T WANT NEED TO GET INTO THAT.
UH, BUT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT A HUNDRED MILLION, PUT IT AT R, BUILD THE FACILITY, GET IT INTO OPERATIONS BEFORE WE CAN THEN SAY, UM, WE BELIEVE WE'RE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY KIND OF A TAX REPRIEVE.
SO, I'M SORRY, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM,
SO, BUT FAIRLY NEW, SO LESS THAN FIVE YEARS, LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
UM, BUT OUR SISTER COMPANY HAS BEEN DEVELOPING PROJECTS FOR OVER A DECADE, UM, SMALLER PROJECTS, COMMUNITY SCALE, SOLAR PROJECTS, UM, AND COLLECTIVELY AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE HAVE TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE.
MY ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN IN THE ENERGY INDUSTRY.
UM, I'VE DEVELOPED PROJECTS BIGGER THAN THIS.
I'VE DEVELOPED PROJECTS, 800 MEGAWATT FACILITIES, UM, ALMOST A THOUSAND MEGAWATT FACILITIES COMPARED TO A NUCLEAR REACTOR.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE OFFSHORE WIND DEVELOPMENT IN NEW JERSEY AS WELL IN MARYLAND.
SO COLLECTIVELY WE HAVE TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE, UM, IF YOU WILL, TO DELIVER THIS TIMELY AND, UH, WITH WITHIN ALL THE PERIMETERS, YOU MAY, YOU MAY HAVE FIXED THIS, SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THAT EXPERIENCE.
DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE DECOMMISSIONING A SOLAR PROJECT? NO, NOT, NOT AMPLIFON, AND THAT'S JUST BEING COMPLETELY HONEST.
UM, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, IN THE INDUSTRY, THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT YET THAT HAS MATURED FOR DECOMMISSIONING, UM, THE INDUSTRY, MAYBE AT LEAST 20 YEARS OLD.
AND THEY TYPICALLY LAST FOR 35, 40 YEARS.
UM, AND SOME OF THEM MAY EVEN BE ELIGIBLE FOR REPOWERING, UH, MAYBE 20 YEARS, MAYBE BETTER PANELS THAT A LOT MORE EFFICIENT, A LOT MORE ENERGY COMPACT AND CONDENSE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND IT MAY BE EVEN IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY, SAY, NO, WE LIKE THE LOCAL SUPPLY YOU PRODUCING THERE, SEE HOW YOU CAN CONTINUE TO REPAIR IT IS ESSENTIALLY A PURPOSE FOR THAT.
SO, UM, UM, IN 20 YEARS, UH, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH RECYCLING CAPABILITIES, IF YOU WILL, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DECOMMISSIONING BOND THAT YOU WILL HOLD.
UM, THIS, THE ENTIRE FACILITY WILL RESTORED TO AS IS IF NOT BETTER CONDITION.
UM, THERE'LL BE MONITORING ON THE GROUNDWATER LIKE SHE ALLUDED TO.
UM, SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY WATCHING AND MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, THE EROSIONS AND SEDIMENTS AND, AND, AND STORM WATER AND ALL THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, CAUSING ANY HAMILTON ENVIRONMENT.
SO, AND JUST GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION I'D ASKED MR. BASSETT, JUST A POINT OF CLARITY WITH, UM, ONE OF THE REPORTS SAID THAT THERE WAS NO IMPACT ON ENDANGERED SPECIES, BUT THE REPORT FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP DID MENTION THAT AMERICAN PIG TOE.
I I'M NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE MYSELF, SO I CAN'T REALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THESE VICTIMS. SURE.
OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD IS NOT HERE TO, UH, TIMMONS, IF YOU WILL.
UH, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY BE THERE AT THE ORDER SUPERVISORS, UM, HEARINGS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING TOO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IS ADDRESSED AT THAT HEARING TOO, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
BUT, UH, MIKE, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UH, JUST QUICKLY, UH, MICHAEL CHEST STONE, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
UM, SPECIFICALLY ON YOU SPEAKING TO BACK.
UH, SPECIFICALLY ON THE, THE SPECIES, UH, OF, UH, CONSIDERATION, UH, IT'S LISTED AS ABOUT A MILE TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS DOWNSTREAM.
UM, SO IT'S NOT WITHIN THE IMPACTED, UH, AREA OR DISTURBED AREA OF THE PROJECT.
AND, UH, WE ARE, UH, CONTEMPLATING AND CONSIDERING THE GROUNDWATER MONITORING AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO PROBITY OR OTHER, UH, IMPACTS TO THAT SPECIES DOWNSTREAM IF IT EXISTS.
UM, BECAUSE THERE HAS ONLY BEEN A REPORT THAT IT MIGHT OR WAS FOUND AT ONE TIME.
I, I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? I MIGHT HAVE ONE MORE, I'M SORRY.
UM,
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UM, JUST, I KNOW THIS WAS JUST A MOCKUP OF PICTURES.UM, AND THIS MIGHT FALL UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, THE PLANTINGS THAT YOU ARE PICKING FOR THAT I DID SEE, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL LISTED IT WOULD NOT BE, UM, IT WOULD NOT BE FROM THE INVASIVE SPECIES LIST, UM, BUT JUST CONSIDERATION OF NATIVE, UH, TREES TO VIRGINIA AND THE AREA.
AND IT'LL BE IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WELL, UM, UM, IN THE FULL PARKING SUBMITTER, IF IT'S NOT ALREADY IN THERE, IT SHOULD BE, YEAH.
BUT YES, IF YOU NEED A LOT MORE NATIVE, SO WHEN IT COMES TIME TO, TO YOU TO FIND AND APPROVE, UH, DURING CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA MAKE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE WANT THIS OPTIONALITY OR THAT OPTIONALITY.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE NOW IS CONCEPT PLANS, IF YOU WILL, BUT YOU WILL HAVE EVEN CONTINUED OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INPUTS BEFORE THE FINAL, UM, UM, SPECIES OR NOT JUST EVEN ON A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
ALSO TO, IN, IN THE EQUIPMENTS AND SPECIFICATIONS AS WELL DURING THE, UM, BUILDING PERMITS STAGE.
SO YOU HAVE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LAST OPPORTUNITY.
YOU HAVE PLENTY OF CHANCE TO MAKE SURE, HEY, WE'RE RATHER THIS OR THAT.
AND JUST, I THINK THIS WILL BE MY LAST ONE.
UM, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT REVENUE OR YOU POINTED OUT A LOT ABOUT REVENUE.
UM, I DID NOT, AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST MY LACK OF UNDERSTANDING, UM, FULLY OF HOW MUCH SOLAR PANELS ARE GONNA PRODUCE.
SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH, UH, THIS SIZE, UH, SOLAR FIELD WOULD, HOW MUCH PRODUCTION OF ENERGY THAT WOULD MAKE CREATE BOBBY, DO YOU HAVE, UH, SPECIFICS THERE, BUT TYPICALLY A FACILITY OF THIS SIZE CAN EASILY POWER 10,000 HOMES, GENERALLY, TYPICALLY OVER WHAT TIME SPAN, OVER THE LIFE OF THE FACILITY.
UM, UM, BEING CONSERVATIVE, IT CAN ACTUALLY LAST 40 YEARS TOO.
SO THE OTHER, GO AHEAD PLEASE.
IF WE WANNA GET INTO MEGAWATT HOURS AND GET TECHNICAL, UH, IT'S 28,000 TO 32,000 MEGAWATT HOURS ANNUALLY, WHICH IS 2,500 TO 3000 HOMES PER YEAR.
IF, IF THAT'S 2,500 TO 3000 HOMES.
AND THAT'S LOCAL, LOCAL SUPPLY, IF YOU WILL.
SOME OF THE BENEFITS, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY WE NEED MORE ENERGY IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, RIGHT? AS WE GROW LOAD GROWTH, SOME REGIONS MAY EXPERIENCE SLOWER GROWTH THAN SOME, BUT OVERALL THERE'S EXPECTED TO BE MORE ENERGY NEED CONSUMPTION.
UM, SO IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE LOCAL GENERATION.
IT KEEPS THE PRICE OF THE ENERGY A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE TO IMPORT ENERGY, YOU PAY A LOT MORE FOR THAT.
BUT IF YOU CAN COUNTERACT THE NEED FOR IMPORTING ENERGY, IT HAS THE BENEFITS, NET NETS ON THE PRICE OF THE ELECTRICITY.
THE OTHER INHERENT BENEFIT WITH THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES, AND THIS IN PARTICULAR IS BEFORE WE CAN INTERCONNECT, WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO REINFORCE THE GRID THAT'S GONNA TAKE THE POWER.
SO, AND THAT UPGRADE STAYS EVEN LONG AFTER THE FACILITY IS DECOMMISSIONED, RIGHT? UM, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BEEF UP THE WIRES, ALL THE SUBSTATIONS AROUND IT THAT WILL BE SEEING THE POWER.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME UPGRADES TO IT IN DOMINION.
WE MAKE SURE THEY HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE TO THE BEST STANDARDS.
UM, BUT IT GIVES YOU GREAT A LOT MORE RESILIENCY.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT STORM HERE, THOSE WIRES AND THOSE POLES ARE GONNA HOLD UP A LOT MORE FIRMLY.
AND WHEN THE SUN COMES UP THE NEXT DAY, YOU WILL HAVE LOCAL POWER AND THAT POWER, IT WILL BE UTILIZED LOCALLY FAST.
SO THE NEAREST HOME WILL SEE THOSE ELECTRONS FASTER AND IF THEY USE UP ALL OF IT, THE REST OF IT GET PUSHED OUT.
SO THERE'S AN INHERENT BENEFIT THERE LOCALLY.
SO IF ANYONE IS REALLY INTERESTED OR TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, SO 5,000 HOMES, 10,000 HOMES, CLEAN ELECTRICS, THEY GET TO SEE WHEN THE SUN COMES OUT.
I NOW OPEN THIS SESSION OF THE MEETING OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
I AM SURE YOU HAVE A LIST, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
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BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I MUST READ THIS STATEMENT OF PUBLIC HEARING.THIS PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT TIME IS PROVIDED FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE THEIR VIEWS HEARD.
YOUR COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME MUST BE CONFINED TO THE MATTER OR CASE THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE CU CUMULATIVE OR REPETITIVE.
YOU ARE ASKED TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WITH DECORUM, LOUD, DISRUPTIVE, OR AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHALL BE AVOIDED.
ALSO, AVOID WORDS OR ACTS TENDED TO EVOKE VIOLENCE OR ARE DEEMED TO BE A BREACH OF THE PEACE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS TIME IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD OR TIME FOR DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OR STAFF CITIZENS WHO DO TAKE PART IN THIS COM COMMENT PERIOD MUST ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS THIS COMMISSION WITH THE QUORUM, LOUD, DISRUPTIVE, OR AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHALL BE AVOIDED.
AVOID WORDS OR ACTS THAT ARE AIMED AT EVOKING VIOLENCE OR CAN BE DEEMED TO BE A BREACH OF THE PEACE.
AND LASTLY, DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSIONER'S CHAIRMAN.
BUT MY QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED IN THIS DISCUSSION, RIGHT.
CAROL KUCHER, MA'AM, I ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY.
I JUST WANNA SAY ONE MORE THING.
WE HAVE A A THREE MINUTE TIME PERIOD.
MY QUESTION IS THIS, WILL MY PROPERTY TAXES OR MY PROPERTY VALUE GO UP OR DOWN? AND I CALLED A MR. GURLEY AND HE COULD NOT ANSWER THAT.
MY, MY MY QUESTION TO YOU THIS EVENING, WILL MY, WILL THE PROPERTY VALUE GO UP OR DOWN? I THINK MAYBE THAT QUESTION MAY BE ANSWERED, BE DIRECTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, MR. BASSETT OR MR. JURY.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WILL THIS SOLAR FARM AFFECT MY LAND USE PROGRAM ONCE AGAIN? UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, WE, WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, WITH THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
WHO, OKAY, WHO DO I TALK TO? IS IT YOU, MR. BASSETT? UM, BOTH OF THOSE QUESTIONS, UM, TECHNICALLY WOULD BE ANSWERED BY THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE.
AND, AND WHO IS THAT? LORI STEVENS.
THEN THE THIRD, UH, QUESTION WILL, WILL, UH, IT AFFECT MY TAXES UP OR DOWN? SO I, I WOULD ASK HER FOR ALL THREE QUESTIONS.
I AM HERE IN, UH, REPRESENTATIVE CAPACITY.
YOUR GOOD NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, SIR.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, SIR, MY NAME IS DONALD THOMPSON.
I AM HERE IN A REPRESENTATIVE CAPACITY FOR MY MOTHER, LOIS THOMPSON, WHO LIVES AT 15 9 13 LEE, BRO.
UH, I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION FIRST OFF ON THE BENEFITS OF THIS SOLAR FARM TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY.
UH, I HEARD MR. BASSETT AND THE, UH, FLOW CURE GENTLEMAN STATED THAT, UH, 3.3 MILLION POSSIBLE.
IS THAT CUMULATIVE? UH, ANYWHERE DOWN TO 2.2 MILLION.
IF THAT'S THE CUMULATIVE AMOUNT THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM THIS, WE COULDN'T EVEN BUY A SCHOOL BUS.
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I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE LETTER CAME FROM THAT, UH, THAT BOBBY READ.I KNOW MR. FARRELL AND I KNOW HE WOULD NOT WELCOME THIS SOLAR FARM.
UM, OTHER THAN THE REVENUE FROM THE TAX BASE FROM THIS SOLAR FARM, WHAT OTHER BENEFITS OR IS IT GOING TO BRING TO THE COUNTY? I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH TODAY.
ONE WATT OF ENERGY FROM A SOLAR FARM COST $3 TO PRODUCE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE YOUR BILL CALCULATED BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS? WHEN THE ENERGY WE GET NOW FROM COAL AND GAS PROPANE IS LESS THAN A DOLLAR A WHAT? I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED WITH THIS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TAB, SIDNEY GREGORY, GOOD EVENING.
AND PLEASE, BEFORE YOU START THE TIME, MAY I ASK A QUESTION NOT PERTAINING TO THIS, JUST THE GENERAL HOW THIS WORKS? YES MA'AM.
SO FOR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, NAME AND ADDRESS NOW, PLEASE MAY I PLEASE JUST ASK THIS QUESTION FOR THIS PROJECT? IF I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHEN DO I GET TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS? NOT JUST HAVE MY MY PIECE, LIKE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA TAKE MORE THAN THREE MINUTES FOR THEM TO EXPLAIN IT.
OH, WE, WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE CLOCK, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT, WE, WE, WE HAVE A FORMAL MEETING AND IT HAS TO HAVE THE INFORMATION IN IT FOR RECORDS.
SO IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
MA'AM, MAY I HAVE A SUGGESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I WOULD SAY BRING AS MANY OF YOUR COMMENTS UP IN THE THREE MINUTES THAT YOU HAVE AND 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA ASK THEM TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS EVERYONE'S COLLECTED COMMENTS WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
MY NAME IS SYDNEY GREGORY, I LIVE AT 16, SORRY, 14, 5, 9, 8 SCOTTS ROAD, DEWITT, VIRGINIA.
UM, THE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I DO WANNA TOUCH ON BEFORE I SAY MY PIECE.
UM, WE WERE TOLD THAT THESE PANELS DO NOT HAVE, UH, CADMIUM OR LEAD.
I WANNA KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUALLY TRUE OR IF IT'S JUST BELOW THE ALLOWABLE THRESHOLD BECAUSE IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW OUR PLUMBING, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, LEAD FREE PIPES, THEY'RE NOT LEAD FREE.
THEY'RE JUST BELOW THE ALLOWABLE THRESHOLD.
SO I WANT SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.
ALSO, WHEN IT COMES TO PLANTING NATIVES, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN WILDLIFE.
YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT DIVERSITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WILDLIFE THAT YOU'RE ALREADY DISPLACING WITH THIS PROJECT HAVE FOOD TO EAT.
WHEN YOU ARE PRIVILEGED ENOUGH TO OWN LAND IN THE COUNTRY, AS MUCH AS ANY PERSON CAN ACTUALLY OWN THE LAND THAT WE WALK UPON, YOU ACCEPT A CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITY.
SOME MAY CALL THIS LAND MANAGEMENT CONSERVATION OR SIMPLY A LEGACY OVERVIEW OF IMPACTS ON PAGE FOUR WOULD LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NOTHING VALUABLE AT RISK HERE.
EVERY FARMER HUNTER AND PROPERTY OWNER WOULD STRONGLY DISAGREE.
NO CHURCHES, 11 OAKS AND ROCKY RUN HOLD MORE THAN JUST SUNDAY SERVICE.
THESE ARE THE FINAL RESTING PLACES OF OUR COMMUNITY.
FOUNDERS, ANCESTORS, LOVED ONES, NO SCENIC RIVERS YOU'VE CLEARLY NEVER WALKED OUT ONTO.
ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY'S NAMESAKES WE'RE CALLED ROCKY RUN FOR A REASON, AND REELED ONE IN OR BECAUSE MR. CHESTER, MR. BRANDON CHESTER, HAD TO LEAVE CATCH GLIMPSES OF THE AFOREMENTIONED ENDANGERED MUSCLES.
BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE HAVE, AND TO ATTEMPT TO REDUCE THE VALUE OF THIS LAND FOR FINANCIAL GAIN IS TO DISGRACE ALL OF THOSE WHO LIVE THERE NOW, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE AND THOSE TO COME.
I'LL BE HONEST, WHEN I FIRST WAS MADE AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, I ASSUME SOME LLC WHO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT RURAL LIFE MUST BE BEHIND THIS.
WILL I BE WRONG? I WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FACE BEHIND GILMAN LOGGING AND FOUND MYSELF READING AN OBITUARY FROM LAST YEAR FOR BUDDY WHO PASSED AT 83.
AS I READ HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND LEGACY REDUCED TO A FEW PARAGRAPHS I WAS OVERCOME WITH EMOTIONS.
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BUDDY ENJOYED HUNTING, FISHING, MAINTAINING HIS GARDEN, WALKS IN THE WOODS, LOOKING AT TIMBER.HE WAS MARRIED 63 YEARS TO HIS BELOVED FRANCIS.
WELL BUDDY, THIS IS YOUR NEW LEGACY AND IF YOU WERE ANYTHING LIKE MY BUBBY, YOU'D BE DEVASTATED.
MY BUBBY ALSO PASSED AT 83 IN OCTOBER OF 2022.
HE WAS MARRIED TO HIS OWN FRANCIS FOR 60 YEARS.
HE ENJOYED RAISING ANIMALS ON FARM HUNTING, WATCHING WEST, AS I SAID, MORNING THIS MAN 0.3 MILES FROM THE PROPERTY BORDERS WHILE CARRYING THE SIXTH GENERATION OF HIS FAMILY TO LIVE AND LOVE AND FARM AND HUNT AND CARRY ON THIS WAY OF LIFE.
MY SON'S NAME IS HARLAN AND HE'S THE REASON I'M STANDING BEFORE YOU TODAY.
HIS LEGACY IS THE ONE TO UPHOLD.
NEITHER BUDDY NOR BUBBY WANT THIS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
MY NAME IS DEBBIE WILLIAMSON LIEFELD OF 16 2 1 4 HUDGINS ROAD.
LET ME FIRST SAY WE WERE NEVER AWARE OF A COMMUNITY MEETING IN JUNE OR WE WOULD'VE BEEN IN ATTENDANCE.
MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY AND MY WILLIAMSON FAMILY HAVE LIVED IN THE ROCKY RUN COMMUNITY FOR NEARLY A HUNDRED YEARS.
MY HUSBAND AND I OWN A FARM AT THE WESTERN END OF THE SAME BLOCK AS THE PROPOSED PROJECT WHERE THE LINGER FELT FARM TOTALS AROUND 350 ACRES.
MY GRANDSON WILL BE THE SIXTH GENERATION TO LOVE OUR FARM AND TO LOVE THE ROCKY RUN COMMUNITY.
RURAL LIVING HAS A LONGSTANDING HERITAGE BUILT ON A STRONG CONNECTION TO THE LAND SHAPED BY FARMING, RANCHING, AND RESOURCEFUL LIVING.
THIS PROJECT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THAT HERITAGE AND WE ARE AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
BRANDON CHESTER, HIS GRANDKIDS, HE'S VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MUSCLES.
I'M FAYE DONAHUE, 26 5 10 REAMS DRIVE, WHICH I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTY, BUT I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT INDUSTRIAL SOLAR.
SO THAT'S WHY I CAME TO YOU TONIGHT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S PRECEDENT SET BY IF WE IN INTRODUCE INDUSTRIAL SOLAR TO DE WITTY COUNTY, WE SHOULD LOOK TO THE COUNTY SURROUNDING US, PRINCE GEORGE SUSSEX, LUNENBERG.
THEY ALL HAVE HORRIBLE EXPERIENCES AND PUBLISH THEIR EXPERIENCES AGAINST INDUSTRIAL SOLAR.
ALSO, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS JUNE MEETING WHERE YOU ONLY HAD SIX OR SEVEN PEOPLE TO SHOW UP.
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS THAT WE ONLY NOTIFY THE PEOPLE WHOSE LAND IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROJECT.
IT SHOULD BE A RADIUS OF AT LEAST A MILE OF THIS PROJECT SO MORE PEOPLE CAN ATTEND AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS.
THE REASON THEY DIDN'T HEAR OPPOSITION IS THEY DIDN'T CONTACT THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
AND I FIND THAT JUST ABHORRENT, THAT WE WOULD EXCLUDE PEOPLE.
UM, I THINK SOLAR'S INEFFICIENT WHEN IT COMES TO LAND USE.
AND TO QUOTE A QUOTE, UM, AN ENERGY EXPERT ROBERT BRYCE, HE SAID, SOLAR'S DIRTY LAND USE SECRET ISN'T JUST ABOUT ACREAGE, IT'S ABOUT OPPORTUNITY COST.
EVERY FIELD COVERED IN PANELS IS ONE LESS FOR CROPS, ONE LESS FOR WILDLIFE, BUT ONE LESS FOR COMMUNITY HERITAGE.
AND I THINK YOU HEARD THIS TONIGHT.
SO WHAT THEY'RE DEFINING IS THAT RURAL CHARACTER IS NOT MY DEFINITION OF RURAL CHARACTER.
I DON'T WANNA LOOK OUT ACROSS MY ROAD AND SEE 300 ACRES IN SOLAR PANELS.
THAT'S NOT WHY I LIVE IN DENWITTY COUNTY.
SO I REALLY BEG YOU CONSIDER NOT LETTING INDUSTRIAL SOLAR PERIOD IN DIMITY COUNTY.
I AM SCOTT LEWIS AND I LIVE AT 12,008 13 DOLL ROAD.
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I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THE TRACK OF LAND THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING ON? AND WILL UH, WILL IT BE LEASED FROM THE LANDOWNER? UH, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE ASKING THE PANEL, UM, WE HAVE STATED IN THE STATE, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT THAT, UM, QUESTIONS ARE NOT TO BE ASKED TO US.
UM, AND I CAN ONLY REFER YOU TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, THEN HE CAN REFER YOU TO THE RIGHT PERSON.
THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS I'M NOT A FAN OF A SOLAR FARM, BUT I KNEW THE MAN THAT OWNED THAT TRACK OF LAND.
HE WAS A LOG ON TIMBER CUTTER JUST LIKE I WAS.
BUT I'M MIGHTY AFRAID IF HIS FAMILY STILL OWNS THAT PIECE OF LAND, IT'LL NEVER BE SET BACK IN TREES.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE A BIG SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING.
IF I GOT MY CHOICE BETWEEN THE BIG SUBDIVISION WHERE I LIVE IN THE SOLAR FARM, GIVE ME THE SOLAR FARM.
FRANCIS GILMAN IS THE NAME THAT SIGNED JEAN BLAIR.
I LIVE AT 13 0 13 DOYLE ROAD, DEWITT, VIRGINIA.
AND I HAVE LIVED ON MY PROPERTY FOR 49 YEARS AND I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE REZONING AND THE SO SOLAR PANEL ISSUES.
THE INSTALLATION OF THE SOLAR PANELS WOULD DEFINITELY AFFECT MY PROPERTY VALUE AND VISUAL CHANGES TO THE LANDSCAPE.
IT WOULD INF INFECT, EXCUSE ME, IT WOULD AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT, HABITAT, DESTRUCTIONS AND ALL KINDS OF NOISE PROBLEMS THROUGH SUB STATIONS AND INVERTERS.
IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE AN INJUSTICE TO MY FAMILY AND MY NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SPENT YEARS IMPROVING THEIR PROPERTY TO HAVE A SOLAR PANEL OPERATION, DEFLATE THE PROPERTY VALUE AND BRING AN EYESORE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE NO FOR THIS REZONING ISSUE.
WELL ALSO TELL THEM THAT YOU WERE NOT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOT INFORMED NO, NO.
FOR THE JUNE MEETING, I, I GOT NOTHING.
FOR THE SIX OR SEVEN THAT CAME, KANE NOTIFIED EITHER I'M A ROBERT MUTE, ROBERT MOODY MORE, I'M SORRY.
I LIVE AT 2 3 9 0 0 CUP BANK ROAD IN MCKENNEY.
UH, I'M A STRONG OPPONENT OF SOLAR, UH, SOLAR FIELDS.
UM, I HAD A WHOLE SPEECH ON HERE, BUT I LOST INTERNET CONNECTION AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BY MEMORY NOW.
SO, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS BAD ABOUT SOLAR FIELDS.
ONE THEN WHITTY IS AN AGRICULTURAL COUNTY.
THAT'S WHAT THOUGHT WE THRIVE FOR.
I WOULDN'T WANT A, A SOLAR FIELD ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE.
AND I LIVE ALMOST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTY FROM, FROM, FROM FROM HERE.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, NEGATIVES ABOUT SOLAR FIELDS AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY PUT THOSE DEER CROSSING SIGNS FOR THE DEER TO FOLLOW IN THE PATH THAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THEY SAID THE BAT, UH, THE BATTERIES AREN'T EXPLOSIVE OR ANYTHING, BUT YOUR CELL PHONE, SHE SAID IT'S COMPARABLE TO A CELL PHONE.
YOU DROP YOUR CELL PHONE IN A FIRE, IT'S GONNA BLOW UP.
YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THIS DO HAPPEN.
UM, THERE'S AN ECONOMICAL, I MEAN A AGRICULTURAL, UH, NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE EFFECT ON IT WHERE ALL THE, ALL, ALL OF THE ANIMALS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO.
WE'RE PUSHING THEM FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY.
IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT TO MENTION THE VISUAL EFFECTS.
MY DAUGHTER'S HOUSE DOWN IN NORTH CAROLINA, THERE'S A SOLAR FIELD UP THE STREET AND YOU CAN HEAR IT HUMMING AND IT'S ABOUT A MILE AWAY FROM HER HOUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE BY, YOU CAN HEAR IT HUMMING THAT THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE WILDLIFE ALSO.
AND THEY WERE SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA MONITOR THE, UM, THE WATER STREAMS. NOW THEY'RE SAYING MONITOR, THEY'RE NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT OR FIX ANY PROBLEM, THEY'RE JUST SAYING MONITORING.
YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE
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WAY FOR THE PEOPLE TO KNOW.AND ALSO, I WAS NEVER KNOWN OF ANY, UH, ANY KIND OF MEETING THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE.
NOBODY IN MY, I ASKED EVERYBODY ON MY STREET AND THERE'S DOZENS OF PEOPLE ON MY STREET AND NOBODY KNEW ABOUT, ABOUT A MEETING AT THAT WAS AT THE RAGSDALE CENTER, WHICH IS ONLY A COUPLE OF MILES FROM MY HOUSE.
UM, AGAIN, I DO URGE YOU NOT TO, NOT TO PROCEED WITH THIS, NOT TO GRANT THIS.
UH, AND AS YOU, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, ANOTHER SOLAR FIELD WAS VOTED DOWN BY THE COUNTY JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY, THEY DON'T WANT IT.
UM, WHY SHOULD WE CHANGE OUR ZONING RULES JUST SO SOMEBODY COULD MAKE SOME MONEY ON IT? A A AN OUTSIDE COMPANY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE IT.
MELVIN TROTTER MY ANSWER, MY QUESTION'S ALREADY BEING ANSWERED.
AND BRITTANY RIBBON, SHE WALK SOMEBODY OR MR. CHAIR? IT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WENT TO GO GET SOMEONE, BUT THERE'S NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP AFTER MS. RIBBON.
YEAH, SHE ASKED FOR ONE MINUTE, BUT
I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE SOMEBODY ELSE MAY WANNA SPEAK.
AND FIRST, I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER ON THIS CASE? YOU MAY DO.
SO NOW AT THIS POINT, SPEECH TO STATE YOUR NAME AND, AND YOUR ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS SUSAN WALLACE AND I'M AT 1 3 4 0 9 LOU JONES ROAD.
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT I'M RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PROJECT AND UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING, I HAVEN'T BEEN LIVING THERE, BUT OUR HOME BEEN THERE OVER, I'M 66, SO WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 66 YEARS AND I DO NOT WANT THE SOLO PANEL NEAR ME.
MS. MS. RIBBON, ARE YOU WRONG CASE? SHE SAID IT WAS THE WRONG OH, OKAY.
ALRIGHT, MS. CHAIR, I THINK SHE SIGNED UP FOR THE OTHER CASE.
THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE THIS EVENING.
THERE'S NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP, MS. CHAIR.
WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COMMENT.
WHAT DID SHE SAY? THEY STILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK.
HE WAS SIGNED UP, BUT HE HAD TO STEP OUT.
IT'S, YEAH, SOMEBODY WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN YET, WANTS TO SPEAK.
HE STEPPED OUT WHEN HE CERTAIN CAN.
SO I THINK, I THINK, MY APOLOGIES, I HAD TO GO GET THE GRANDKIDS FROM CHURCH.
UH, MY NAME IS BRANDON CHESTER.
I LIVE AT 1 2 0 5 5 LOU JONES ROSE, UH, WANTED TO SPEAK IN REFERENCE TO THE SOLAR PROJECT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTED JUST DURING THE LOGGING PERIOD FOR THAT PROPERTY ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE, UH, PROPOSED AREA, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO SEE SOME SIGNI SIGNIFICANT ROADWAY FLOODING AS A RESULT OF AN ISSUE WITH THE, THE LOGGING OF THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE BEFORE THE TURN WHERE LOU JONES BENDS AND SNAP LODGE BREAKS OFF TOWARDS SOUTH.
PRETTY MUCH ANYTIME WE GET ANY KIND OF MODERATE RAIN, IT'S FLOODED ALMOST ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
THE ROADWAY IS A RESULT OF THE LOGGING OPERATION THERE, WHICH IS WHERE THE, UH, SOLAR COMPANY IS PROPOSING ONE OF THEIR ENTRANCES.
SO THAT, THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.
UH, THE LOGGING COMPANY HAS DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DAMAGE TO THE ROADWAY IN THAT AREA.
UH, RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO MY RESIDENCE JUST WEST OF
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HUDGINS ROAD, THERE'S UH, CAR SIZE POTHOLE THAT VDOT HAS TRIED VALIANTLY SEVERAL TIMES TO GET TO STAY FILLED.THAT JUST CONTINUES TO COME BACK FROM THE LOG TRUCK TRAFFIC.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S BEYOND WHERE THE SOLAR FARM INTENDS TO HAVE TRAFFIC, BUT THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING SO FAR.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BISHOP HAD MENTIONED THE MUSSELS, THE TWO BRANCHES THAT BORDER MY PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND THE EAST ARE FULL OF THOSE MUSSEL.
SO I'M NOT SURE I, THEY DON'T EXIST LESS THAN A MILE UPSTREAM FROM MY HOUSE.
UH, SO THAT THAT WAS KIND OF A CONCERN THAT IT SEEMED LIKE THE PRESENCE OF THAT SPECIES WAS BEING DIMINISHED AS FAR AS THAT PROPERTY IS CONCERNED.
AND IN GENERAL, UM, MY CONCERN IS IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE PRETTY MUCH FREELY ADMITTED THAT THERE'S A GOOD POTENTIAL THIS THING'S GONNA GET SOLD OFF TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
UH, I WOULD HATE TO SEE A FOREIGN CORPORATION OWNING A SOLAR FACILITY IN DUNWOODY COUNTY, UH, WHICH I'M SURE ONCE THIS THING GOES UP FOR SALE, WHOEVER IS PROVIDING THE BEST RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING THIS PROJECT IS WHO'S GONNA WIN IT AND HAVE NO, NO INTEREST IN SEEING A SINGLE SQUARE FOOT OF DENWOODY COUNTY BEING OWNED BY A FOREIGN CORPORATION, ESPECIALLY THAT CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE AND TO THE AGENTS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? YES.
I'M GONNA DO MY BEST ALONG WITH TITO TO RESPOND TO AS MANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT ALL OF THE QUESTIONS AS WE CAN.
I WANNA JUST SAY WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THEM AND, UM, I'LL START OFF BY SAYING THAT THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT IN THE ORDINANCE.
IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE TRIED TO DO OUR BEST IN ORGANIZING, UH, WHICH IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH WHO TO INVITE, WHICH ARE THE, BOTH THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER AND THEN THE PEOPLE ALONG LOU JONES ROAD FROM, UH, GOING FURTHER EAST.
I'M SORRY TO EVERYBODY WHO WAS NOT INVITED TO THAT MEETING.
IT'S, UM, IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHEN TO STOP.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE DID THE ADVERTISEMENT AND THE DINWITTY MONITOR FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE ROUNDS.
UM, SO I'LL JUST START WITH THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME OTHER CONCERNS.
UH, I DON'T, MAYBE WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH A FEW OF THEM.
UH, I, I TOOK THE LIBERTY TO WRITE DOWN ALL THE COMMENTS AND, AND TRY, I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THEM AS BEST AS I CAN.
AND IF OUR REBUTTALS ARE NOT SATISFACTORY ENOUGH FOR YOU TONIGHT, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THAT YOU TAKE YOUR TIME TO DELIBERATE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IF YOU WANT TO DEFER THE DECISION MAKING, PLEASE, UM, HAVE TO, YOU HAVE THAT DISCRETION.
UM, BUT, UH, UNDERSTANDABLY WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS.
THIS, THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL, RIGHT? IT'S JUST THE POLITICAL NATURE OF SOLO.
SO WE UNDERSTAND IT, WE GET IT.
QUITE FRANKLY, MY ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN IN ENERGY.
NOBODY LOVES ANY INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD.
COAL, GAS, NUCLEAR, NOBODY WANTS IT, BUT WE NEED IT INEVITABLY, RIGHT? WE NEED TO POWER CELL PHONES, WE NEEDED TO POWER OUR HOUSES.
AND TO SOME EXTENT, WE ALL GOTTA CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, RIGHT? YOU USE POWER, UM, YOU GOTTA CONTRIBUTE A LITTLE BIT TO THAT IN, IN TERMS OF SUPPLY.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A HOSTING COMMUNITY, SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY SENSITIVE AND CONSIDERATE AND BE THOUGHTFUL AND LISTEN AND HEAR
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IF THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO TO, UM, IMPROVE CONDITIONS.WE'VE BEEN DEMONSTRATING THAT.
WE'VE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS.
CAN YOU PUSH IT BACK? CAN YOU TWEAK IT THIS WAY? CAN YOU MOVE THE ROOF? NO PROBLEM.
HEY, CAN YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN? OKAY, LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN FIT AROUND IT.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT ALL ALONG.
WE ADEQUATELY ADVERTISED FOR THE NOTICE.
UM, THE PRIORITIES, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU ADVERTISE THE SURROUNDING IMPACT TO NEIGHBORS, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE FIRST THERE.
THAT THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE DRIVING THROUGH IT AND SEEING IT, RIGHT? YOU GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE TAKING INTO THE CONSIDERATION, AND THEN YOU'RE EXPANDING BEYOND THAT, RIGHT? UM, SO MOST OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
THEY UNDERSTAND IT, THEY SEE THE IMPACT.
IT'S, I'M BIASED, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT? I'M TRYING TO PROPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT HERE.
BUT WE HAVE REACHED OUT, WE'VE MADE ADEQUATE EFFORTS TO REACH OUT AND WE ALSO REMAIN OPEN.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY WANT TO ASK, THEY CAN REACH TO ME, BOBBY DIRECTLY.
SHE CAN PROVIDE HER CELL PHONE NUMBERS OR ADDRESS THEM.
UM, BUT LET ME KIND OF GO THROUGH ONE BY ONE.
SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS RAISED HERE, THIS SITE, WHICH TRULY BELIEVE IS IDEAL FOR DI WIDY IN TERMS OF LOCATION AND SIGHTING FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
AND WE DO UNDERSTAND, WE'VE STUDIED SOME OF YOUR DECISIONS IN THE PAST AND WHY YOU'VE REJECTED SOME OF THOSE, UH, PROPOSED SOLAR FARMS. YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT REASONS.
SOME OF THEM PROBABLY IS NOT PROPER SIGHTING OR THERE'S SOME SENSITIVITY AROUND THE SIDING, BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS AN UNDERLYING REASON FOR THAT.
UM, THIS LOCATION, WE BELIEVE IS UNIQUELY DIFFERENT IN, IN THE, IN A COUPLE OF WAYS.
NUMBER ONE IS TUCKED AWAY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MOST OF THE OTHER SITES YOU'VE CONSIDERED.
UM, AND THE SURROUNDING IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES THEY SURROUND IT.
AND IF YOU TAKE A DRIVE AROUND THERE, NATURALLY YOU SEE IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, NOT MUCH HOMES AROUND HERE, CONSIDERING THE OTHER FARMS I'VE DEVELOPED IN OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE HOUSES AROUND THEM.
SO NATURALLY, THIS IS A NATURAL SIDING, IF YOU WILL.
AND NOT ONLY THAT TOO, THERE'S GONNA BE NATURAL TREES LEFT ALONG THE PERIMETERS BUFFALO.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE GONNA EVEN DO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING.
SO BY THE TIME THIS FACILITY IS CONSTRUCTED AND YOU DRIVE DOWN LOU JONES ROAD, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN SEE MUCH OF THIS, UM, FOR MOST OF THE YEARS, IF YOU WILL.
SO FROM A VISUAL IMPACT STANDPOINT, WE WOULD DO OUR BEST WE CAN TO MAKE SURE WE MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACT.
UM, SO THAT, IN THAT REGARD, WE DO BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY IDEAL SIDE TO LOCATE IT.
IT'S 20 MEGAWATTS, 180 ACRES ON WITHIN THE FENCE LINE, 800, UM, ACRE PARCEL.
WE'RE ONLY USING ABOUT 245 ACRES OF IT.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO EXPAND IT.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOU PROVE THIS IS WHAT WE LIVE WITH.
IF THE LANDOWNER WANTS TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE BALANCE OF THE, OF THE ACRES, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME TO YOU FOR THIS CONSIDERATION.
BUT AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, WE'RE NOT EXPANDING.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE BELIEVE THIS SIDE IS IDEAL.
WE HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME AS PART OF OUR SUBMITTAL AND PROBABLY DURING THE, UH, BUT OF SUPERVISOR HEARING, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE AN INDEPENDENT STUDY.
WE SHOWS CONSIDERATIONS TO SOLO AND IMPACT TO PROPERTY VALUES.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
YOU CAN REVIEW THOSE STUDIES WHEN THEY COME IN.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA DO, CONSIDER EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S HAPPENED EVERYWHERE ELSE SURROUNDING INSTALLATIONS.
VIRGINIA HAS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF SOLO, AND THEY'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE DATA SAYS.
UM, BEFORE, DURING CONSTRUCTION, AFTER CONSTRUCTION, WHAT HAS BEEN THE IMPACT TO LOCAL PROPERTY VALUE IN OUR EXPERIENCE, NONE, ESPECIALLY IN RURAL AMERICA.
AND I'VE BEEN BUILDING A LOT OF THIS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
BUT AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
WE'LL PROVIDE YOU THAT STUDY AND YOU CAN ALSO GO GET AN INDEPENDENT APPRAISAL TO DO THAT STUDY YOURSELF AS WELL.
UM, SO FROM A PROPERTY VALUE STANDPOINT, DEMONSTRABLY WE DO NOT SEE ANY IMPACT.
WE'VE PROPOSED A CITING AGREEMENT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THOSE DETAILS HERE.
UM, IN THAT SITE AGREEMENT IN PARTICULAR, I TOLD OUR LAND USE COUNCIL, I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THEM ENGAGED HERE.
UM, WE'VE NOTICED IN THE PAST WHEN YOU DON'T ENGAGE THEM ENOUGH, UM, THEY DON'T APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE TREMENDOUS SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.
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AND WHEN YOU INSTALL SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR THEM.NOT ONLY ARE WE GONNA PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RESOURCE TO SUPPORT THEM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA PROVIDE TRAINING.
WE'RE GONNA BRING IN EX FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS TYPE OF FACILITY TO GIVE THEM TRAINING BEFORE COMMISSION, DURING COMMISSION, AND ALSO TO ONCE THE FACILITY'S IN OPERATION.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PLENTY OF ADEQUATE TRAINING AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THEM AS REFRESHER COURSES.
ALSO, WHEN THE PROJECT GOES INTO OPERATION, THERE IS NO BATTERIES ON THIS, ON THIS PROPOSED FACILITY.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FIRE FROM A BATTERY STANDPOINT.
THEY HAVE TO GET STEPPED UP TO A HIGH VOLTAGE BY THE INVERTERS.
SO THE PANEL IN ITSELF DO NOT CATCH FIRE.
THE PANEL ITSELF DON'T MAKE ANY NOISE.
THE NOISE USUALLY COMES FROM THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS THE IN WATER AND THE TRANSFORMERS.
AND THEY COMPARABLE TO THE NOISE IN YOUR REFRIGERATOR OF YOUR HOME.
SO IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO OUR SUBMITTER, WE'RE ALSO GONNA PROVIDE A SOUND STUDY AS WELL, SO YOU CAN EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF SOUND.
BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THESE THINGS ARE VERY QUIET.
AND WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN, THE ELECTRIC WOULD MAKE TO SPEED.
THEY ONLY MAKE NOISE WHEN THE SUN COMES UP AND MINIMALLY AND THESE LITTLE HIGH EFFICIENCY EQUIPMENT, 2020, THEY'RE GONNA BE USED.
I MEAN, YOU CAN ALMOST NOTICE YOU NEW REFRIGERATOR THESE DAYS.
DO YOU GET THEM? COMPARE THEM TO THE OLDER REFRIGERATORS? WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REFRIGERATORS.
WELL, I'M JUST DEMONSTRATING A POINT TO YOU IN TERMS OF, I'M DEMONSTRATING A POINT IN TERMS OF HOW TECHNOLOGY HAS IMPROVED.
SO THESE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE GONE TREMENDOUSLY LONG WAY TO TRY TO REDUCE THE DAMPERING EFFECT OF THE NOISE.
SO FROM A SOUND, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE A SOUND STUDY TO REVERBERATE KIND OF BACK UP ALL OF THESE.
I'M SAYING, SO THIS IS JUST NOT ME.
FABRICATING FACT, WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORTING, UH, DOCUMENT TO, TO SUPPORT THIS, UM, PLANTING NATIVES AND, UM, WILDLIFE, THAT'S ALWAYS A SENSITIVE ISSUE.
POLLINATOR ADDS WILL BE INCLUDED HERE.
UM, FENCE WILL HAVE ABOUT, I BELIEVE, 45 FEET OFF THE GROUND SO WILDLIFE CAN PASS THROUGH.
UM, UH, MAKE, THAT'S, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SENSITIVITIES WE, WE CONSIDER IN THE DESIGN.
UM, WE STAY AWAY FROM WETLANDS, SO THAT WAY WE DON'T IMPACT ECOLOGY AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, UM, NOT JUST EVEN ON THE LOCAL LEVEL.
THE DEQ REQUIRES US TO DO A LOT OF THIS, RIGHT? SO WE STILL HAVE A LOT MORE SCRUTINY TO GO THROUGH WITH THE DEQ FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT.
SO THEY'RE GONNA REVIEW THIS, UH, VERY STRICTLY, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE ADHERE TO THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, NOW SOMEBODY DID SAY SOMETHING ABOUT FLOODING.
UH, SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE ARE GONNA BE MAKING AT THIS FACILITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GRADING, THE DRAINAGE INSTALLATION, THE RESEEDING AND PLANTING OF GRASS, ALL OF THIS WILL BE CAPTURED IN OUR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL, AS WELL AS STORMWATER PLANT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP WITH THE FLOODING.
IT WOULD GIVE YOU A LOT MORE CONTROLLING OF WATER THAT COMES OUT OF THE FACILITY, PARTICULARLY WITH RUNOFF.
YOU PLANT HEALTHY GRASS HERE WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE, IT REDUCES THE FLOW AND ALSO THE INFILTRATION, WHICH ALSO REDUCES WHAT GOES INTO YOUR DRAINAGE AND WHAT YOU SEE IN FLOODING.
SO SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'LL BE DOING HERE WILL ACTUALLY HELP WITH THOSE FLOODED SITUATIONS.
UM, AND THOSE WILL BE PROPERLY DETAILED IN THE STORMWATER PLAN THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT IN THIS APPLICATION.
SO IN SOME REGARDS, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING HERE POTENTIALLY BENEFITS LOCALLY.
UM, SO I, I, AND I CAN STOP HERE.
THERE'S A WHOLE LONG LIST HERE I CAN GRADUALLY REPORT.
UM, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE LISTENED TO YOU, WE'VE HEARD YOU, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE ADEQUATE MEASURES TO ADDRESS EACH AND ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS AND EVEN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE FORM OF A PROJECT WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN GO GET PROPERLY INFORMED.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO US.
BUT I JUST WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS.
UM, WE ARE UNIQUE IN TERMS OF HOW WE APPROACH THE COMMUNITIES AND DEVELOP.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY COMMITTED TO OUR WORDS, HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND IF WE DO DECIDE TO SELL THIS, YOU CAN ALSO HAVE IT AS A CONDITION THAT YOU ALSO WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE WHOEVER ENDS UP BUYING THIS ASSETS IF WE DO DECIDE TO SELL IT.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A SAY IN THAT AS WELL, IF YOU CHOOSE TO.
YOU CAN HAVE IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INFORMED BEFORE ANY CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP TRANSPIRES.
SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE CONTROL, UM,
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TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE PROPERLY DONE RESPONSIBLY.YOU HAVE ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? IF NOT, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? I, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT FIRST, AND I JUST, I FEEL LIKE AFTER, UH, I WAS INTRODUCING MYSELF TO OUR NEW COLLEAGUE, AND YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW, BUT I'VE BEEN ON HERE FOR 20 SOME YEARS AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH REPEATED, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO UPDATE OUR COMP PLAN AND PRESERVE OUR RURAL CHARACTER AND, UH, PRESERVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN DUNWOODY COUNTY.
SO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS RESONATED ME WITH ME.
AND IN PARTICULAR, UH, I'LL SAY THE LANGUAGE, UH, THAT MR. BASSETT PUT HERE JUST BEFORE THE RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, I JUST, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S COMPATIBLE, UH, REZONING REQUEST.
AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT, I DO FEEL LIKE IT'S A DETRIMENT TO THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN, UH, AND UNDERLYING USES.
SO I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A, A MOTION ON THAT.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER THOUGHTS.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S CONSIDERATION.
UM, 'CAUSE STUDIES WERE MENTIONED ABOUT, UM, IMPACT ON OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE CLOSE BY.
AND I JUST SAW THIS RECENTLY, SO I'M JUST GONNA SHARE FOR CONSIDERATION.
IT'S FROM VIRGINIA TECH, AND IT WAS, UM, WRITTEN IN JUNE OF 2025.
THEY DID A STUDY ON HOW SOLAR FARMS ARE AFFECTING PROPERTIES, BOTH AGRICULTURE PROPERTIES AS WELL AS RE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
AND THEY ACTUALLY NOTED THAT WITHIN THREE MILES OF A SITE, UM, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A SMALL LOSS OF VALUE, WHICH AT ABOUT 4.8% ON AVERAGE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, SO I'M QUOTING THE ARTICLE
UM, AND I ALSO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WANTED TO GO BACK TO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT MENTIONS, YOU KNOW, LIMITING THE FRAGMENTATION OF HIGH VALUE FORESTRY.
UM, THIS IS A 800 ACRE TRACK OF FORESTRY, UM, THAT WOULD BE BROKEN UP.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S STILL MANAGEABLE.
SOMEBODY WOULD COME OUT AND DO ANOTHER 400 ACRES, BUT IT STILL IS, UM, BREAKING THAT UP.
AND ANOTHER PIECE OF THAT WAS PRESERVING AREAS OF HIGH AGRICULTURE, AGRICULTURAL SUIT SUITABILITY.
UM, AND JUST NOTING THAT THIS LAND IN ALL OF THE STUDIES IS LISTED AS A PROJECT THAT IS CONSIDERED, UM, ON PRIME FARMLAND, SOILS, OR SOILS OF STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T CONSIDER, UH, THE TIMBER INDUSTRY AS FARMLAND, BUT I THINK IN DENWITTY WE DO.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO MAKE, UM, A VOTE ON THIS CASE.
HOWEVER, UM, WHATEVER WE DECIDE, WHATEVER WAY THE WAY THE VOTE GOES, IT IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION THAT WILL BE CARRIED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHO WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON, UH, ON THE CASE.
AND IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 A SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT REZONING REQUEST P DASH 25 DASH 12 AS PRESENTED.
BE RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING A FOR DISAPPROVAL OF PETE DASH 25 DASH FOUR.
SO, MR. BASSETT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
YES, MR. CHAIR, BASED ON OUR, OUR DECISION HERE, OUR OUTCOME, IS IT NECESSARY TO GO TO THE NEXT CASE, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, TRYING TO USE, GET THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? YES.
WE DO NEED TO, UM, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THE BOARD, UM, IF THE BOARD DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING, UM,
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AND MOVED TO CONSIDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.SO YES, WE DO NEED TO HEAR THAT PORTION OF THE CASE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT CASE.
CAN WE HEAR THAT FROM YOU, MR. MR. BASSETT? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UH, AS I JUST INDICATED, UM, WE DO NEED TO, UM, HOLD PUBLIC HEARING AND ALSO, UM, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO THE BOARD ON THE REQUEST FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, THE PROJECT IS THE SAME FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, SE IN THE SED DISTRICT.
UM, IF YOU DO APPROVE A REZONING FOR A SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT PROPERTY, UM, YOU DO NEED TO ALSO, UH, CONSIDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, IF THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THAT SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT.
SO, UM, I WON'T GO THROUGH, UH, THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE, UH, REZONING REQUEST FOR THE SUBJECT, UH, SOLAR FACILITY.
BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT THE, UH, ESPECIALLY THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE THIS EVENING, OR WATCHING AT HOME, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT WE HAVE, UM, CREATED PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, FOR THE CASE C 25 DASH SIX, AND THAT I'D JUST LIKE TO OUTLINE THOSE CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THIS EVENING.
UH, THE INITIAL, UH, PORTION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT JUST OUTLINES, UH, THE PROJECT APPLICANT, WHO THE APPLICANT IS AND, UM, DEFINES THAT AS DW LOU JONES, LLC, AND, UM, DISCUSSES THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
ALSO, UH, CONDITION ONE LIMITS THE USE OF THE SITE FOR THE PROJECT, TIES THE, UH, PROJECT TO THE SITE, AND, UM, ALSO TIES THE SITE PLAN, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, UM, TO THE PROJECT SITE.
AND, UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW, UM, WHAT'S PRESENTED AS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN IF THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE CONDITION TWO DURATION OF THE USE AND PERMIT AND, UM, TIES THAT TO THE PROJECT AND ANY SUCCESSORS OR ASSIGNS IF THE PROJECT, UH, DOES, UM, IS SOLD, UH, TO ANOTHER OP OWNER OPERATOR.
AGAIN, WE TIE CONDITION THREE, TIE THE SITE TO THE, UH, THE PROJECT, TO THE SITE PLAN.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE CONDITION FOUR, UM, STUDIES AND PLANS FOR THE SITE, UM, THAT THOSE HAVE TO BE, UM, SUBMITTED AS PART OF FINAL SITE PLAN.
AND, UM, THE COUNTY HAS TO RECE RECEIVE ANY STUDIES AND PLANS, UM, THAT ARE CONSIDERED AS PART OF FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THERE, IF THE PROJECT WOULD BE APPROVED, UH, CONDITION FOUR ALSO REQUIRES THAT A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, DEVELOPED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
ALSO, A CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN AND ROAD REPAIR PLAN, UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
IN ADDITION, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE, UH, SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, THERE'S ALSO A LANDSCAPING BOND THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THE BUFFER WAS MAINTAINED OVER THE FIRST 10 YEARS OF THE PROJECT.
ALSO, UH, UH, BUILDING AND ELECTRICAL PLANS WOULD'VE TO BE SUBMITTED FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND HISTORIC SURVEY STUDIES WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO INCLUDE WETLAND AND STREAM DELINEATE DELINEATION.
PRELIMINARY JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS ALSO THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES HABITAT ASSESSMENT AND PHASE ONE ARCHEOLOGIC ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL SURVEY OF THE PROJECT.
AND WE ALSO COVER, UH, LIABILITY INSURANCE CERTIFICATE, UM, OF COURSE GRADING PLAN, EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
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AND WE ALSO HAVE REIMBURSEMENTS FOR THIRD PARTY REVIEWS AND INSPECTIONS AS PART OF THE, UH, INSPECTING THE PROJECT DURING DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROJECT.AND ALSO ANY REVIEWS THAT WOULD BE BE REQUIRED.
UM, IN ADDITION, UH, WITH ANY OF THE STUDIES THAT I OUTLINED THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE, UH, PROJECT, UH, LIMITED ACCESS TO THE PROJECT WOULD BE TIED TO THE, UH, CONDITIONAL, I MEAN THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.
THERE WOULD BE THE TWO ENTRANCES.
UM, THERE ARE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THE, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, WHERE THE ACCESS WILL BE PERMITTED TO THE PROJECT.
UH, WE COVER LIGHTING ACCESS AND INSPECTIONS TO THE SITE.
UM, TRAINING THERE WOULD BE A CONDITION, UH, FOR TRAINING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, COMPLIANCE, UH, THE PROJECT WOULD SHALL BE DESIGNED, CONSTRUCTED AND TESTED TO MEET ALL RELEVANT LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL STANDARDS AS APPLICABLE TO THE PROJECT.
UM, GROUNDWATER MONITORING IS ALSO A CONDITION OF THE PROJECT, UH, SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR LAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
AND APPLICABLE TAXES AND FEES ARE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS.
UH, PROJECT COMPONENTS IN DESIGN ARE COVERED.
UM, THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMITATION FOR THE PANEL ARRAYS COULD NOT BE HIGHER THAN 18 FEET ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, THERE'S A DE DECOMMISSIONING IS COVERED AS WELL AS THE CONDITION, UH, DECOMMISSIONING PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED.
DECOMMISSIONING COST ESTIMATES, UH, SECURITY THAT WOULD COVER THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, THE APPLICANT'S OBLIGATION.
UH, AS PART OF THAT DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, UM, WE COVER EQUIPMENT AND BUILDING REMOVAL INFRASTRUCTURE REMOVAL.
UM, ALSO TALK ABOUT PARTIAL DECOMMISSIONING IN THE, UH, CONDITION AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, WE GO OVER PERMITS AND REPORTS, MAKING SURE THAT ALL PERMITS WOULD HAVE TO BE OBTAINED, MAINTAINED, AND ANY REPORTS, UH, RELATED TO THOSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THOSE ON FILE AS WELL AT THE COUNTY.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE HAVE IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A PROJECT LIAISON, UH, FOR THE PROJECT, UH, THAT STAFF AND THE PUBLIC WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTACT AS PART IF THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED.
UM, WE COVER COMPLIANCE WITH ALL LAWS RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THERE WOULD BE AN ANNUAL ANNUAL REVIEW REQUIRED AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, AT A MINIMUM OF ONCE PER YEAR TO EVALUATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT VIOLATIONS AND REVOCATION RELATED TO THE PROJECT, ANY STOP WORK ORDERS, EXTENDED VIOLATIONS AND REVOCATION OF THE ACTUAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THE FINAL CONDITION IS, UM, TALKING ABOUT, UM, IF THE PROJECT WAS SOLD.
UM, ANY APPLICANT OR, UH, SUCCESSORS OR SIGNS TO THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, SO THIS IS WHERE IF WE HAVE ADDITIONS, WE WOULD ADD THAT? YES.
IF YOU HAD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, OKAY, THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO, UM, SUGGEST THOSE AND ADD THOSE TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO THOSE, THOSE WOULD JUST BE MADE AS PART OF YOUR, UM, MOTION.
THOSE WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDED YOU WOULD ADD THOSE CONDITIONS AS PART OF THAT RECOMMENDATION.
ONE, UH, QUESTION FOR CLARITY.
UM, WITH THE THIRD PARTY REVIEWS, YES.
UM, I GUESS THOSE ARE JUST INSPECTIONS DURING DEVELOPMENT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS IS A POSSIBILITY FOR THE COUNTY TO DO THEIR OWN, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, UM, WITH THE DISCREPANCY WITH THE AMERICAN PIG TOE SITUATION, UM, THAT WAS PAID FOR BY THE APPLICANT.
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IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? UM, WE, WE COULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE CONDITIONS, YES.THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
OF COURSE, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD PAY FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN MY OTHER THOUGHT THAT KIND OF CAME UP IN THE CONVERSATION, UM, THAT I APPRECIATE THEY BROUGHT UP, UM, WAS HAVING SOMETHING ABOUT THE INFORMED US BEING INFORMED OR WHOEVER, THE COUNTY BEING INFORMED OF A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP.
THAT COULD BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
MR. CHAIR, COULD I ASK FOR THOSE CONDITIONS TO BE CLARIFIED AGAIN? WHAT WAS THE FIRST ONE? OH LORD, I FORGOT ALREADY.
UM, THE COUNTY DOING THEIR OWN PRIVATE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, UM, PAID FOR BY THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, THE REASON I WAS JUST WHEN YOU SAID ABOUT BEING NOTICED CONDITION 20, I THINK, DOES THAT READ IT AND SEE IF THAT'S ADEQUATE? THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF CONDITIONS ON HERE.
DOES THAT SUFFICE? I, I THINK SO.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD COVER THAT.
ACCORDING TO THE AGENDA, I WILL HAVE TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
HOWEVER, IF THERE IS, UH, ANYTHING THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY STATED AND COME UP, COME FORWARD AND ALREADY SAID, IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO THAT AGAIN.
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. DER IF YOU HAVE ANYONE THAT SIGNED UP FOR, UM, PUBLIC HEARING.
I OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
MS. THERE WERE, YES, MR. CHAIR.
I'LL LET THEM SAY THEY'RE NOT COMING, BUT I KNOW MOST OF THEM WHEN THEY PUT P 25 12 ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK UNDER C 25 6 AS WELL.
SO THERE WAS A, MR. GURLEY, THEY WERE ASKING DOES THE APPLICANT YES, YES.
COULD COME FORWARD BEFORE THAT PORTION? I DON'T KNOW THE RULES COME
SO I, I SAID A LOT OF WHAT I WAS HOPING TO SAY IN THE FIRST HEARING.
UM, ONE THING THAT I WANT TO RESPOND ABOUT IS THAT VIRGINIA TECH STUDY, THE, THAT VIRGINIA TECH STUDY WAS BASED ON SOLAR PROJECTS THAT HAVE NO SCREENING.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH LANDSCAPING, ENOUGH TREES THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THIS PROJECT.
SO I I, I WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE.
AND IF THERE, IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE OR HEAR THIS PROJECT, IF ULTIMATELY NOBODY WILL KNOW THAT IT'S THERE, I MEAN, YOU WILL KNOW, BUT ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T HASN'T BEEN HERE WILL KNOW THAT IT'S THERE.
UH, I'M JUST HOPING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONCERN IS AFTER, AFTER THAT.
UM, THIS IS A, A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S ELECTING TO, WHO'S CHOOSING TO DO THIS ON THEIR LAND, UH, WITH PRIVATE, WITH A DEVELOPER THAT HAS PRIVATE MONEY.
UH, AND THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PERMIT THAT WE NEED TO GET.
WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE STATES.
SOMETIMES WE NEED TO GO TO THE FEDERAL, UH, TO OBTAIN ALL THESE PERMITS.
SO THIS ISN'T THE ONLY ITEM THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS LAND IS PROTECTED.
SO DID YOU WANNA ANYTHING ELSE? I I HAD A FOLLOW ON REAL QUICK, SORRY ABOUT YOUR SCREENING.
UM, AND I MADE A MISTAKE EARLIER, I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE WAITED TILL THE CONDITIONAL USE PART OF THIS, BUT THE, UH, THE A HUNDRED FEET YOU TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR.
I JUST FELT LIKE AS WOEFULLY INADEQUATE, UM, I WOULD PREFER
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TO SEE IT A CONDITION THAT'S, I'LL JUST SAY MORE ALONG FOUR OR 500 FEET.UM, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION'S KIND OF MY BUSINESS.
LOU JONES ROAD IS THE BIGGEST ROAD IN THE AREA.
UH, I KNOW IT'S LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, RIGHT.
IT'S, UH, BUT IT IS THE MOST HEAVILY TRAVELED ROAD AND, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT 400 CARS A DAY.
BUT I THINK THAT YOU, I COULD SEE THROUGH THERE NOW ANOTHER 25 FEET DOESN'T REALLY HOLD A LOT.
SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO STRONGLY CONSIDER A CONDITION THAT'S PROBABLY MORE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF FOUR TO 500 FEET.
SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT.
I SAID THAT AT THE WRONG TIME EARLIER.
I, AND I KNOW THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT THE LAST TIME I WAS IN THIS ROOM.
UH, SO IN THE ORDINANCE, WHAT IT CALLS FOR IS ABOUT 75 FEET.
AND, AND SO YOU'RE PROPOSING I UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T, IT'S NOT SOMETHING, IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE OF ME TO BRING IT UP IN THE REZONING, BUT I THINK AS A CONDITION THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ASK.
AND, UH, I WOULD PERSONALLY, I WOULD PREFER SOMETHING THAT IS WAY MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET.
'CAUSE A HUNDRED FEET OF MATURE TREES IS, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH, AND IT DOES DOES DEPEND ON THE TYPE OF TREES.
UH, SO IF WE WORK WITH YOU ON THE TYPE OF TREES POSSIBLE AND THE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE YOU ARE NOT GONNA SEE THROUGH THOSE TREES.
WHAT ABOUT, UH, WHAT ABOUT FENCING NATURALLY, UH, MICHAEL CHEST STONE WITH THE APPLICANT? UH, WOULD THE COMMISSION CONSIDER SOME KIND OF NATURAL APPEARING, UH, PRIVACY FENCING AS OPPOSED TO, OR IN ADDITION TO BEHIND? SO NATURAL TREE TIMBER LANDSCAPING PRIVACY FENCE OF A DARK NATURAL COLOR? I WOULD SAY TO YOUR POINT ABOUT TYPE OF EDUCATION, I'D BE, I'D BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR DECADES TO FIND THE RIGHT UNDERSTORY IN A HARDWOOD FOREST THAT GROWS AND PROVIDES THAT TYPE OF NATURAL STREAMING.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE EITHER.
SO MAYBE IF THERE'S SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT, THAT IS, THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, BUT I TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION YOU MADE THAT YOU COULD THIN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT IF YOU HAD THE RIGHT, UH, VEGETATION AND MATURITY.
HEY, I GOTTA GO BACK IN MR. CHAIR.
COULD I BEGIN ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION FROM MR. HAYES.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ENHANCED BUFFERING JUST ALONG THE JONES OR AROUND THE WHOLE SITE? WELL, YEAH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, SIR.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT FROM ANY ROADWAY THAT'S IN THE, UH, THAT'S APPLICABLE HERE, WHICH I THINK THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO LOU JONES.
BUT I THINK YOU OUGHT TO BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT FROM LANDOWNERS THAT MAY HAVE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS THAT MAY HAVE RESIDENCE IS THERE TOO.
UH, WHEN WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS HOPING WOULD BE DISCUSSED OR ANY OF THESE ASKS SO THAT IT WOULDN'T COME UP IN A HEARING TO TRY TO BE MORE PROACTIVE ABOUT IT.
SO, UH, DID MY BEST THERE, BUT COULDN'T CATCH 'EM ALL.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE, I THINK THE, UM, YOU WANT THIS, THE SOLUTION WOULD MADE ON EASTERN PORTION OF IT BY PANEL ACCOMPLISHING, WHICH YOU ALSO SEE.
SO RIGHT THERE ON THE EASTERN CORNER AND IF, IF IT PLAS, UM, THE, THE SUPERVISOR IN THE COUNTY TO DO BELOW ADDITIONAL BUFFER ALONG JONES ROAD, WE CAN CERTAINLY NIBBLE THAT YOU GOT 800 ACRES TO WALK WITH.
UM, MANY DOES INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL LAND AND EFFICIENCY 'CAUSE NOW YOU USING MORE ACRES THAN YOU NEED TO.
BUT IF THAT MAKES YOU A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE, WE CAN CERTAINLY FACILITATE THAT.
OR WE CAN PIVOT IN TERMS OF HAVING DENSE, UH, VEGETATIVE SCREENING.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LANDSCAPE, UM, EXPERT WITNESS THAT WILL COME IN ON THE HEARING, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ITSELF, IF YOU WANT A BIT MORE INFORMATION IN THAT SECTION AS WELL.
SO, BUT WE ARE WILLING TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS MAKE YOU A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE.
FORTUNATELY, I'M, I'M ONLY A GARDENER, NOT A LANDSCAPER, SO I'LL THINK ABOUT THAT.
DID YOU WANT ANYTHING ELSE? UM, UH, SO I, I JUST WANTED
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TO EXPRESS ALSO A, A WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT THE, UH, THE THIRD PARTY COUNTY STUDY PAID BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE, UH, AQUATIC SPECIES AND MUSSELS.UM, I ALSO DID WANNA TAKE A MOMENT AND JUST TALK ABOUT POWER PRICING AS IT WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP HAVE BEEN RELATED TO COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
AND WHILE IT MIGHT BE A BIT TRANSPARENT AND LOOK LIKE A DEVELOPER FOR PROFIT, UH, GENUINELY WHEN YOU HAVE LOCAL GENERATION OF POWER, YOU AVOID TRANSMISSION OF POWER INTO YOUR AREA AND IT DOES KEEP YOUR PRICES SUPPRESSED.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING SKYROCKETING DEMAND ACROSS VIRGINIA, UM, PARTICULAR NORTHERN VIRGINIA WITH DATA CENTER GROWTH, WHICH IS DRIVING AS MUCH AS 30, 35, 40% PRICING INCREASES IN SOME AREA.
SO THIS POWER IS SOLD INTO THE SAME WHOLESALE MARKET OF PJM, WHICH IS THE INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR THAT WILL HELP KEEP THE LOCAL PRICING IN THIS LOAD POCKET DOWN.
SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT WHILE THE ELECTRONS ARE FLOWING AND MOVING, IT MIGHT BE TRANSPARENT.
BUT THIS, THIS TECHNOLOGY IS WELL KNOWN AND PRESCRIBED BY THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION TO PROVIDE THESE BENEFITS TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO HELP KEEP PRICING LOW.
SO THIS POWER WILL BE SOLD AT WHOLESALE RATES.
THIS IS NOT SOME SORT OF FEED AND TARIFF OR, UM, HIGHER RATE SUBSIDIZED ELECTRICITY RATE.
THESE, UH, ELECTRONS WILL BE SOLD AT THE SAME RATES THAT YOU WILL GET OUT OF A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT, OUT OF A A COAL PLANT.
UH, WE COMPETE ON A WHOLESALE MARKET, SO THAT IS A DOWNWARD BIDDING PRICE PRESSURE, WHICH KEEPS PRICING LOW.
SO WE COMPETE AGAINST EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE SAME GRID AT A WHOLESALE LEVEL AND THAT WILL HELP EVERYBODY, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS, PRIVATE CO-OPS, EVERYBODY ON THE SYSTEM.
MR. RD, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP, MR. CHAIR? THERE IS.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE CITIZENS ON A CONDITION TO USE PERMIT, BUT IF THE APPLICANT'S DONE, I'LL START CALLING THE CITIZENS.
UM, I WILL START WITH MS, UH, CLAIRE BRILL.
UH, WE'LL GO TO, UH, MS, UH, KUCHER, UH, COUTURE.
NOT MUCH TO ADD TO WHAT'S BEEN SAID BY THE OTHER OWNERS PROPERTY OWNERS IN, UH, THE ROOM TONIGHT.
I JUST WOULD ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THESE PEOPLE ARE OUT TO MAKE MONEY AND YOU CAN'T STAY IN BUSINESS IF YOU'RE NOT MAKING MONEY.
SO YOU MAY NOT TELL EVERYTHING BEHIND THE CONTRACTS TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPROVING THESE THINGS.
BE THOUGHTFUL IN YOUR DECISION, BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT YOUR DECISION.
SIDNEY, GREGORY, SYDNEY, GREGORY, 14, 5, 9, 8 SCOTTS ROAD, DEWITT, VIRGINIA.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I'M A LITTLE, UM, LESS PREPARED FOR THIS PORTION, BUT THAT GIVES ME A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO RE-ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
SO THERE WAS AGAIN, THE TOPIC OF LEAD AND CADMIUM AND THAT QUESTION WASN'T ANSWERED.
AND YET THERE IS A PIECE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE GROUNDWATER MONITORING FOR CONTAMINANTS SUCH AS CADMIUM AND LEAD, BUT WE'RE JUST MONITORING THEM, RIGHT? WHY WOULD WE NEED TO IF WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE EXPOSED TO THESE.
BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ACTUALLY REGARDING THE, UH, DECOMMISSIONING.
UM, SO FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN ON THEIR PROPOSAL, THE DECOMMISSIONING THEIR PROJECTION AND 40 YEARS AS IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY PROJECT THAT IS LIKE $2.2 MILLION.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM WAS ALIVE 40 YEARS AGO, BUT I FEEL LIKE 40 YEARS AGO, $2.2 MILLION LOOKED VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN TODAY.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCES DO WE HAVE THAT THIS BOND OR WHATEVER
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THEY WILL HAVE IN PLACE FOR THE DECOMMISSIONING, IS GOING TO GROW ALONG WITH THE VALUE OF OUR DOLLAR? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO PLEDGE $2.2 MILLION, WHO'S GONNA MAKE UP FOR THE DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO DECOMMISSIONING THIS PROJECT? BECAUSE IF IT INCREASES 10 TO 15% OVER THE NEXT 40 YEARS, WHILE IT MAY NOT BE ANY OF Y'ALL'S PROBLEM, I PLAN TO BE HERE.AND SO DOES THE REST OF MY, UH, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN.
I AM VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT THE PLANS WILL BE FOR, UM, ADJUSTING, ADJUSTING THE PRICE ON THAT.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, DEBBIE FELD,
UM, TO ADD, YOU MENTIONED THE BUFFER OF 75 FEET AND YOUR CONCERN IS THE SAME AS MINE.
UM, THE HOME THAT I USED TO OWN ON SCOTTS ROAD, THERE IS NOW A BIG SOLAR PANEL IN THE, IN, IN THE FRONT OF A NEIGHBOR'S YARD THAT IS 300 FEET AWAY.
THERE IS A 20 YEAR STAND OF TREES AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE, THOSE SOLAR PANELS ARE BIG AS DAY.
SO, AND, AND WE'RE TALKING 300 FEET BETWEEN THEM.
SO 75 FEET IS NOT GONNA DO A WHOLE LOT.
UM, SIDNEY ALREADY COVERED THE, THE CADMIUM THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT TOO.
I ALSO DO WONDER WHAT KIND OF DISTANCE RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT END UP PLACING ON ANY OF THOSE THAT WANNA HUNT IN THE AREA THAT CURRENTLY DO HUNT THAT AREA QUITE A BIT.
UM, AND THAT IS A LONG STANDING, UH, TRADITION IN THE AREA THAT ALL OF THE DOG HUNTERS FIGHT FOR.
SO I'M SURE THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO THEM AS WELL.
THEY ALSO MENTIONED THAT A FEW HOMES WERE IMPACTED.
I THINK THAT KIND OF STANDS TO REASON BECAUSE THEY ALSO MENTIONED THEY WERE LARGE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY AND BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EXACTLY DO THEIR BEST TO REACH OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT, UH, THEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE.
BRANDON CHESTER, FAYE DONAHUE, I, FAYE DONAHUE, 26 5, 10 RINGS DRIVE.
UM, I HAVE PERSONALLY VISITED, UM, A SOLAR FARM WITH 142 ACRES UNDER PANELS.
AND SIR, TO YOUR COMMENT, IT WAS NOT QUIET.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT'S QUIET, YOU NEED TO COME OUT AND DEWIN COUNTY AND HEAR OUR QUIET.
WE HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF QUIET.
MR. COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONERS.
ROBERT MOORE, 2 3 9 0 0 CUTBANK ROAD.
AGAIN, I IMPLORE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS.
IT'S, WE'RE AN AGRICULTURAL COUNTY.
WE DON'T NEED THIS TO BE IN OUR COUNTY, IN MY OPINION AND I URGE YOU TO PLEASE VOTE NO THANK YOU.
I'M STILL VOTE MR. CHAIR, THAT'S ALL, ALL I HAVE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP.
UH, I SAW THE AGENT RAISE HIS HAND ONE MORE TIME IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.
UM, UH, IT'S HARD TO BE NOT SO LIKE, BUT UNDERSTAND, SO WE GET IT.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION.
WITH THE DECOMMISSIONING VALUE POTENTIALLY BEING ODED AFTER 20 YEARS, THERE IS A PROVISION TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING EVERY FIVE YEARS.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO REVALUE THE DECOMMISSIONING COST AND THAT WAY RESET IT.
SO WE AT THE, THE, THE FUTURE VALUE COMMENSAL RATES AND CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN THE COST
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TO DECOMMISSION IT AT THE END OF THE LIFE OF THE ASSETS.SO, AND THAT MEANS IF THE VALUE OF THE BONDAGE DROPS BECAUSE OF THE REVALUE, THE ENTITIES REQUIRED TO PROP UP THE VALUE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO THAT'S PART, I BELIEVE IT'S THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN AS REGARDS TO HUNTING, KEEP IN MIND 800 ACRES PARTS.
SO WE'RE ONLY USING ONLY A QUARTER OF IT.
MAYBE EVEN LESS THAN 20% OF IT'S PLENTY MORE LAND TO TON IF YOU WILL, UM, IN THAT AREA.
AND SOMEBODY ELSE ALSO BROUGHT UP, UM, AND ALSO TOO, PLEASE, THERE'S SOMETHING TO I ALSO WANT TO BRING UP AGAIN TO YOUR ATTENTION.
IT'S ALSO SOMETHING TO, WE NEED TO ALSO, IT'S ALSO PART OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CONSIDER AS WELL THE RIGHT OF AN INDIVIDUAL TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THEIR PROPERTY AND NOT BE INFRINGED UPON.
YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THAT AS WELL AS PART OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ALL CITIZENS.
RIGHT? UM, THE OTHER THING TOO, UM, I WANT TO BRING AS IT RELATES TO SOUND, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE A SOUND STUDY AND WE'RE GONNA BRING IN A SOUND STUDY EXPERTS TOO, IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, ACTUALLY WE WILL MAKE SURE WE TRY TO BRING THEM ALONG AND THEY'RE THE EXPERTS.
THEY'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT DECIBELS SOUND.
SO WE, SPEAKING FROM A PLACE OF FACT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATION WHEN IT COMES TO SOUND AMBIENT NOISE, IMPACT OF THE SCREENING, KEEPING THE SOUND CONTAINED WITHIN THE FACILITY.
UM, A LOT OF STUDIES DONE TO THAT TO MAKE SURE THE EQUIPMENT YOU SELECT, UM, THE DECIBELS, IT PUTS OUT WELL PUBLICIZED WILL PROVIDE ALL OF THAT TO YOU.
AND AS IT RELATES TO CADIUM, THERE'S NO CADMIUM HERE.
AND IN FACT, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE, UM, SPEC SHEETS, MATERIAL, ALL THE MATERIALS ON THE PANELS WILL PROVIDE ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT WAS USED TO MANUFACTURE TO SEE ALL THE CHEMISTRY THAT GOES IN THERE.
UM, AND, AND THEIR COMPLIANCE.
THEY HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT BEFORE THEY GET ON AMERICAN SHORES, RIGHT? UM, AND AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE MANUFACTURED DOMESTICALLY, NEEDLESS TO SAY, THEY HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT BEFORE THEY ARE PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS AND MEASURES TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC SAFETY IS ADHERED TO AND WELL PROTECTED.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'LL BE MORE THAN PREPARED, UM, TO COME IN WITH EXPERT WITNESS, UM, DURING THE, THE HEARING WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE EACH ONE OF THESE CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY, UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO I, YES, I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SAY ONE OTHER ITEM OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT I DIDN'T GET TO TOUCH ON SO MUCH, UM, REGARDING THE HUNT, THE ROCKY RUN HUNT CLUB.
SO WE SPOKE WITH MR. CONNOLLY WHO HEADS THAT EFFORT AND HE WAS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO SAID THAT HE'D RATHER SOLAR PROJECT THAN A SUBDIVISION GO IN THERE.
SO I WANT TO BE ABLE TO JUST SAY THAT FOR A HUNTER.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, MA'AM, I RESPECTED YOUR TIME, PLEASE.
SO THE OTHER THING I ALSO WANTED TO SAY WAS THAT FOR A SINGLE WOMAN TO BE ABLE TO GO TO EVERY HOUSE IN THAT AREA, IT'S NOT EXACTLY A, A FEASIBLE THING FOR ME.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SENT OUT MAILERS.
THAT'S WHY WE SENT OUT THE, THE DIN WITTY MONITOR.
THAT'S WHY WE ALERTED THE COUNTY TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
AND I, WE'VE ALSO BEEN AT SEVERAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE EVENTS IN THE ROCKY RUN TON CLUB MEETING.
SO THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT OUTREACH, UH, EVENTS THAT WE'VE GONE TO TO JUST MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE Y'ALL WITH THAT, THAT, THAT AS, AS, UH, SOMEBODY WHO HAS MET A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, UH, I I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT AND HAVE UNDERSTOOD WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM.
THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE AGENT? YES, MY NAME IS MA'AM, YOU HAVE TO COME FORWARD FROM THIS MA'AM.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND USE THE MIC.
IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.
WINFIELD AND I ALSO LIVE ACROSS FROM THE PROPERTY THAT THEY WANNA PUT THIS
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OUT.AND I WAS THINKING IT WOULD BE REALLY BAD, I BELIEVE, TO HAVE THAT PUT OVER THERE.
WE HAVE BEEN HAPPY ON THAT ROAD AND I'M RIGHT CROSSING FRONT OF IT TOO, SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE IT PUT THERE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ONE GUY IN THE BACK COME FORWARD, SIR.
I LIVE AT 17,001 MCKINNEY AVENUE IN, UM, I WAS LIKE, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST HAPPENED TO CATCH THIS ON FACEBOOK THAT THIS WAS GOING DOWN.
UM, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, YOU HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS TO CONSIDER, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE CITIZEN'S RIGHTS TO CONSIDER ALSO.
AND ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD.
IS THE COUNTY GETTING IN BUSINESS WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE? DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE GONNA BE IN BUSINESS WITH? DO YOU KNOW DOWN THE ROAD WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? DO WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE FOR A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS INDUSTRY IS KIND OF IN FLUX, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING DOWN THE ROAD.
THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE FOR THAT AND UH, I JUST AS THE CITIZENS, WE'RE ENTRUSTING YOU TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR NOT JUST THE LANDOWNER, BUT EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY TO BE EDUCATED IN NEW DISRESPECT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A RURAL COUNTY.
AND SO THAT BEING SAID, WE, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW ALL, ALL THE INS AND OUTS OF THE INDUSTRY.
AND, UH, JUST HOPE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS FROM ALL SIDES.
PROS AND, AND NO ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES.
CAN I GET A MOTION? MR. CHAIR? MR. CHAIR, YOU COULD OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED AND THANK YOU.
I I JUST HAD A BRIEF COMMENT 'CAUSE IT KIND OF GOES TO WHO I AM AND HOW IMPORTANT IT'S, BUT THE COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF LAND RIGHTS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I'VE SPENT MY ENTIRE CAREER, UH, OFTEN COM UH, COMPARING THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS TO, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
AND, UM, I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THE MOMENT OF SILENCE WE HAVE EVERY YEAR, EVERY MONTH, UM, I PRAY, I PRAY THAT MY BIASES DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF LISTENING TO EVERYBODY'S SIDE ON THIS.
AND WE DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COUNTY.
AND MANY OF YOU KNOW ME, BUT MANY OF YOU DON'T.
I JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ALONG.
THAT THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CON, FAITH-BASED CONCEPT FOR ME TO, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH.
IT'S NEVER BEEN EASY, IT'S NEVER BEEN EASY AND IT NEVER GETS ANY EASIER TO COMPARE, UH, THOSE RIGHTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND MR. CHAIR, ONE MORE COMMENT, SORRY TO KEEP ON POPPING IN, BUT I HEARD TWO COMMENTS FROM MS. BISHOP AND MR. HAYES AND WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION, THEY OUGHT TO BE CLARIFIED WHETHER THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ARE A PART OF THE MOTIONS AS ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR NOT.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I CLARIFY 'CAUSE DON'T TELL MY HUSBAND I SAID THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
UM, WE ARE VOTING
THAT'S, THIS IS YOUR, REGARDLESS OF THE WAY YOU VOTE, YOU SHOULD SEND UP TO THE BOARD IN, I WOULD SUGGESTED YOU CONSIDER IT.
LIKE IF THE BOARD WANTS TO APPROVE THIS, THAT Y'ALL HAVE HAD YOUR SAY IN WHAT CONDITIONS YOU WANT TO SEE, AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF THE WAY YOU VOTE ON IT, TO MAKE SURE THE CONDITIONS ARE THERE THAT YOU WANT TO SEE.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT CLARIFY IT? UH, I THINK SO.
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CAN WE GET A MOTION? I'LL MAKE ONE WITH MR. DREW'S HELPAND IF YOU WOULD JUST BRIEFLY SAY THOSE AGAIN JUST FOR MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND THE CLARITY OF IT IS THAT YOU, THE MOTION SHOULD BE AND NOT FROM WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT THE CONDITIONS YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OF THE CONDITIONS THAT AS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THE ADDITION OF IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF CONDITION ON ABOUT THE, UH, BUFFERS.
IF THAT'S GONNA BE ON LOU JONES.
UH, OR IF YOU JUST WANT THE APPLICANT TO, IF YOU OKAY WITH YOU UNDERSTAND ME STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORKING ON THAT, YOU CAN DO THAT.
SO WAS IT JUST THE BUFFER OR NOT, WAS IT? NO.
AND THEN JUST ONE OTHER MS. BISHOP.
ALRIGHT, SO I THINK I CAN SPEAK TO THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL SAY BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286, ALPHA THREE AND SEVEN AND ZONING ORDINANCE SECTIONS 22 DASH 22 AND 22 DASH 22, IT IS STATED THAT FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE, I MOVE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C 25 DASH SIX AS AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE APPLICANT TO PREPARE AT THEIR COST AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, UM, TO SAY HELP ME, UM,
WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO DO THAT, CORRECT? WE WERE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY TO, UM, CONFIRM WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THEIR STUDY.
YEAH, SO HAVE A THIRD PARTY REVIEW OF THE STUDY THAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THAT TO CONFIRM OR DENY, UH, WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THEMSELVES AS WELL AS TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON THE, UH, BUFFER REQUIREMENTS AS PRESENTED IN OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
BE RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS THE ISSUANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTENT, PURPOSE, AND DESIGN OF THE DIMITY COUNTY ZONING CODE.
THIS IS FOR DISAPPROVAL? YES, SIR.
DID I HEAR MR. SIMMONS NEED A SECOND ON MR. HAYES'S MOTION? I THOUGHT I HEARD MR. SIMMONS, I'M SORRY.
VOTING IC DASH 25 DASH SIX HAS BEEN SENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH DISAPPROVAL WITH THE TWO ADDED UH, CONDITIONS.
I'D LIKE TO SAY TO ALL OF YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN VERY NICE.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND UM, GOD BLESS YOU AND GOOD LUCK IN THE FUTURE.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO ROCKY RUN AT ANY TIME.
MY SON USED TO PLAY BASEBALL UP THERE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE.
UM, CASE NUMBER P DASH 25 DASH 13 MR. BASSETT.
AS YOU INDICATED, THIS IS, UH, REZONING CASE P DASH 25 13.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING TO REPRESENT THE APPLICATION.
THE REZONING REQUEST IS FOR, UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED ON THE SLIDE, UH, TO REZONE.
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TWO OF THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED BUSINESS GENERAL B TWO CURRENTLY, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE THOSE TWO PARCELS TO RESIDENTIAL URBAN RU AND THEN THE REMAINING PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE AND OF COURSE THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE THOSE PARCELS AS WELL TO RESIDENTIAL URBAN RU THERE'S A TOTAL OF 22 LOTS.UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, UH, THROUGHOUT, UH, THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL PREVIOUS CASES AND I'D JUST LIKE TO NOTE THAT ON, UM, THE SLIDE HERE, UM, YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES AND THEN IN GRAY WHERE IT'S IDENTIFIED AS R RU.
THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY, UH, REZONED.
AND, UM, ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES I'D JUST LIKE TO NOTE, UH, WITH THE PAST CASES, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THOSE CASES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THERE WAS ONLY ONE OF THOSE CASES THAT WAS NOT APPROVED, UH, BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN, UH, 2022.
UM, AS YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE, UM, YOU CAN TELL BY THE SLIDE ALL THE, UH, AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS ZONED, CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LIMITED.
UM, AND JUST TO NOTE, UM, ALL THE LOTS IN WHAT WE CALL THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD ARE, UM, THE DIMENSION OF THE LOTS PLATTED ARE 25 FEET WIDE BY A HUNDRED FEET DEEP.
UM, WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO NOTE ARE NONCONFORMING WITH REGARD TO THE R ONE, UH, RESIDENTIAL LIMITED ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS AND A MAJORITY OF THE EXISTING HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE SITUATED ACROSS THESE PROPERTY LINES.
AND THE REMAINING VACANT LOTS DO NOT ACCOMMODATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THEIR OWN INDIVIDUALLY.
ADDITIONALLY, MANY OF THE HOMES IN THE AREA ARE DEVELOPED ON TWO LOTS WITH THE HOME CENTERED ON THE COMMON PROPERTY PROPERTY LINE.
THE RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION WAS ADOPTED WITH THE INTENT OF ADDRESSING THESE TYPES OF NONCONFORMITIES AND ISSUES IN THIS GENERAL AREA.
THE SUBJECT FREE ZONING REQUEST WILL ALLOW A NEW DWELLING THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SIZE AND CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTY UNDER REVIEW, OF COURSE, IS DESIGNATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AS BEING WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS SUCH THE GENERAL AREA IS EXPECTED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE R RU ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE, UH, DISTRICT, UH, WE FEEL LIKE IS COMPATIBLE, UH, WITH THE REQUEST THIS EVENING.
ALSO, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS GENERAL AREA.
THUS, WITH THE PROPERTY BEING LOCATED IN THE EXISTING WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVING ACCESS TO THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, THE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, THIS GENERAL AREA MAY BE CONSIDERED A RESIDENTIAL GROWTH CENTER.
UH, WHEN WE TOOK THE REQUEST TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY, UM, ANY SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS RELATED TO THE REQUEST AND, UM, EVERYBODY, UH, SEEMED TO BE IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST.
UH, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SUBJECT REZONING THIS EVENING, GIVEN THAT THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION RESIDENTIAL URBAN IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES.
ADDITIONALLY, THE RU ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING LOTS WITHIN THE URBAN AREA, INCLUDING THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION, RESIDENTIAL URBAN CONFORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THIS GENERAL AREA AS SET FORTH IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE RELATED TO OUR STAFF REPORT.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MR. RICE.
WOULD THE A WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SAY SOMETHING?
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GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.MY NAME'S THERE ROSSI 1 0 8 3 7.
CHERRY HILL DRIVE, GLEN ISLAND, VIRGINIA.
SO OUR GOAL, UM, HERE IN THE, UH, WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN DINWITTY AS A WHOLE IS WE WANNA BRING MORE HOMEOWNERSHIP INTO THE AREA AND WE WANT TO ALLOW HOMEOWNERS TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO, UH, BUILD A FEW NEW HOUSES IN THAT WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE APPLYING FOR THE, UH, RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR OUR LOTS.
SO AS MR. BASSETT, UM, SPOKE ABOUT, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I WANTED TO REALLY FOCUS ON WHEN I DID MY RESEARCH FOR, UH, HOW THE WEST PETERS RIG NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE THIS IS WHAT THE LOT OWNERSHIP LOOKS LIKE.
SO WHAT I DID IS I WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE GIS AND THE DITY SYSTEM AND I TRIED TO SEE, OKAY, HOW MANY LOTS DO PEOPLE HAVE NEXT TO EACH OTHER WITH THE SAME OWNER THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO POTENTIALLY QUALIFY TO BUILD UNDER THE R ONE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
AND WHAT I SAW IS, UNLESS YOU HAVE EIGHT LOTS, AND THAT MEANS FOUR IN THE FRONT AND FOUR IN THE BACK, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO CLASSIFY UNDER THAT, UM, THE R ONE GUIDELINES, WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE 20,000 SQUARE FEET TO BE ABLE TO BUILD.
UM, AND EVEN WITH THE R IF YOU, LET'S SAY YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU DO THE RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION, THEN 79 OWNERS WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT ON THEIR PROPERTIES.
OTHERWISE, A LOT OF THE LAND THAT YOU HAVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN THE FOLKS THAT OWN EXISTING HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT ABLE TO DO ANY ADDITIONS TO THEIR HOUSES.
THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ADD ANYTHING ON, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE OWNED THAT HOUSE FOR MAYBE A HUNDRED PLUS YEARS.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THIS IS SORT OF JUST SHOWING WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO DO.
SO ARE YOU ZONING ALREADY? AS MR. BASSETT SAID, A LOT OF THE HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE SITUATED ONTO LOTS AND SO WE WOULDN'T BE DEVIATING FROM WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SORT OF FITTING THE SAME CHARACTER THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.
AND UM, LIKE I SAID, THE R ONE ZONING IS NOT REALLY CONGRUENT WITH WHAT'S THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOESN'T ALLOW FOLKS TO, UH, DEVELOP HOW THEY, I FEEL SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO.
AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THE HOMES THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOT TOO LONG BACK.
IT WAS A TWO STORY HOUSE, WHICH THE DEVELOPER HAD TO COME IN AND HE WAS FORCED TO BUILD WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE OLD HOUSE THAT THEY HAD PURCHASED.
SO THEY HAD TO KNOCK IT DOWN AND THEY HAD TO BUILD ON THE EXISTING FOUNDATION, WHICH, BECAUSE THE INVESTOR CAME IN AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE MONEY, THE ONLY OPTION WAS TO BUILD UP, RATHER THAN BEING ABLE TO EXTEND THE HOUSE OUT, MAKE IT A NICE RANCH STYLE, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY FIT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LOT BETTER FROM WHAT I SEE.
AND SO THIS, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THAT, THAT, THAT EXISTING FOOTPRINT.
AND SO ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS, RIGHT, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
WE WANT TO COME IN, BUILD A NICE RANCH, SELL A HOUSE, AND YOU'LL SEE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT WE'VE BUILT, UM, IN PETERSBURG AND ONE THAT WE'VE DONE IN, UH, IN DENWOODY AS WELL.
BUT WE WANNA REALLY FIT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, GETTING THIS RU ZONING APPROVED WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT, RIGHT? AND OUR MAIN GOAL IS WE WANT TO SELL HOMES TO HOMEOWNERS, WHICH WILL INCREASE THE, UH, THE QUALITY OF LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'LL HELP BUILD A COMMUNITY, RIGHT? WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS HOME OWNERSHIP INCREASES THE, UH, THE GOOD OUTCOMES THAT YOU SEE ON A LONG-TERM BASIS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WOULD REALLY BE GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE A FEW OF THE HOMES THAT WE'VE BUILT.
THESE ARE HERE IN PETERSBURG, ACTUALLY NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM, UH, THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THIS IS JUST IN THE LAST, UH, LAST YEAR OR SO, WE'VE BUILT A FEW HOMES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE LOTS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE SIZE, UM, OF WHAT THE LOTS HERE IN WEST PETERSBURG WOULD BE ABOUT 50 SQUARE FEET OF FRONTAGE AND ABOUT, UH, A HUNDRED FEET OF DEPTH.
AND YOU CAN GET A NICE, NICE SIZED HOUSE, HAVE A DECENT FRONT YARD, HAVE A DECENT BACKYARD AS WELL, WITH, UH,
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WITH, WITH THIS LOT SIZE.AND SO THIS, NOW I WANNA SHOWCASE ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT WE'VE, UH, GONE AHEAD AND RENOVATED IN THE WEST PETERBURG NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST SO YOU GUYS CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WE DO.
AND WHEN I SAY THIS, WE REALLY WANT TO BUILD A QUALITY OF HOUSE OR RENOVATE TO A QUALITY OF STANDARD THAT WE WOULD WANNA LIVE IN OURSELVES.
AND SO THIS, WE'RE STILL GETTING DONE WITH THE HOUSE, SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF STUFF AROUND THE WAY.
BUT THIS IS THE KITCHEN OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? THE FRONT, A BIG OPEN LIVING ROOM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT A, UH, NICE TILED SHOWER, BIG MASTER BEDROOM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A SHOWER THERE AS WELL.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS HOW WE TRY TO BUILD OUR HOMES.
WE TRY TO DO THEM TOP QUALITY.
WE WANNA BRING IN GOOD, GOOD QUALITY HOMEOWNERS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL HERE.
AND SO, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK VOTING FOR THIS RU UM, ZONING RECLASSIFICATION WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHARACTER AND, UH, BRING, BUILD THAT STRONG COMMUNITY.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, I I JUST HAVE ONE.
UM, HAVE Y'ALL BUILT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE? SO WE, WE RENOVATED THAT HOUSE.
THAT WAS THE ONE PROJECT THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO BUILD A FEW HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW.
WILL MOST OF YOUR HOUSES BE BUILT ON TWO LOTS OR ONE LOT? TWO.
SO THE, THE RU ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW US TO BUILD ON ONE LOT EACH, EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT WOULD BE 25 BY A HUNDRED FEET.
AND SO IT'S, WE WOULD BE BUILDING THEM ON TWO LOTS A PIECE.
SO JUST TO, THE MATH I WAS DOING WAS THE 22 LOTS WOULD END UP BEING 1111 HOMES.
RIGHT? SO IF WE CAN, MR. GARLEY, IF WE CAN PULL UP THAT, UH, THAT MAP, I CAN SORT OF GO THROUGH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER THERE.
YOU WANT, OH, YOU LIKE THE, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, MAP SHOWING LIKE THE LOTS THAT ARE BEING REZONED? IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, OH, YOU WANT MR. PASS THE COUNTY? UH, I GOTTA GO BACK.
I GOTTA CLOSE YOUR PRESENTATION IN ORDER TO SURE.
UH, MISS, MR. GURLEY, ARE YOU ABLE TO, UH, GO TO THE ONE WHERE, LIKE THE LOTS THAT ARE BEING REZONED, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE HERE? OH NO.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? YEAH, THAT ONE.
SO, UH, OKAY, SO I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST GO OVER THEM BY THE NUMBERS.
SO THIS ONE, THE ONE THAT HAS IS NUMBER THREE RIGHT HERE.
UM, THE ONE ON NUMBER THREE, IF YOU SEE THERE'S LIKE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A NARROW PART THERE IN THE FRONT.
UM, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A HOME.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THAT REZONED SO THAT WE CAN, UH, GO AHEAD AND RENOVATE IT AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITION TO THE HOUSE.
UM, THE TWO LOTS BEHIND IT, THAT'S CURRENTLY ON A PAPER ROAD, SO IT'S NOT A VDOT CERTIFIED ROAD, SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ABLE TO BUILD ON IT RIGHT AWAY, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET IT REZONED FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, OVER HERE ON NUMBER TWO THERE, WE'RE PURCHASING ONE HOME THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, EXPAND.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA RENOVATE IT FULLY, EXPAND IT OUT, MAKE IT A NICE THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, AND THEN ON THE LEFT OF IT, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S FOUR LOTS OVER THERE.
AND NUMBER TWO, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, BUILD A HOUSE AS WELL NEXT TO IT.
AND THEN NUMBER ONE, THAT IS CURRENTLY ON A PAPER ROAD AS WELL.
IT'S A GRAVEL ROAD, SO NOT ABLE TO BUILD ON IT CURRENTLY, BUT LOOKING TO JUST GET IT REZONED SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITHIN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE, THOSE ARE, UM, THE NUMBER FOUR, FIVE AND SIX, I GUESS
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THEY'RE ALL EMPTY LOTS CURRENTLY, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THOSE REZONED AND BUILD SOME HOUSES ON THERE.WELL, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THOSE SEEM TO BE THE EASIER ONES, BUT, SO HOW, HOW MANY FOR FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX.
SO INDIVIDUALLY, JUST CURIOUS.
SO, SO FOUR IS, UH, FOUR LOTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING TWO HOUSES, SO IT'S GONNA BE FOUR, YEAH.
AND THEN FIVE AND SIX WILL BE ONE EACH.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO GO OFF FOR THE RECORD TO SAY THIS IS QUITE A COINCIDENCE.
THREE SATURDAYS AGO I WAS IN THE PARADE AT WEST PETERSBURG FOR JAMES JONES
SO I, I MAY SEE, MAY HAVE SEEN SOME OF YOUR PEOPLE'S FACES OUT THERE.
I'M BACK TO BUSINESS AND I
SO RIGHT NEXT TO NUMBER ONE, HE'S GOT HIS HOUSE THERE.
CURRENTLY WE'RE, UH, WE'RE GETTING READY TO, UM, KNOCK THAT HOUSE DOWN AND BUILD A NEW HOUSE THERE AS WELL.
I'M GONNA OPEN UP, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT.
UM, MR. GRETA, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? YES, MR. CHAIR.
I WANTED TO GET MS. BRITTANY RIBBON BECAUSE I KNOW SHE SAID SHE HAD TO LEAVE.
DID SHE ALREADY HEAD OUT? SHE HAD TO GO TO WORK.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, THERESA LEE, MR. MR. UH, DREW, DO I NEED TO READ THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN? YES, YOU DO.
MR. CHAIR, JUST BEFORE YOU COME, I JUST WANT TO READ THE PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT, PLEASE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT TIME IS PROVIDED FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE THEIR VIEWS HEARD.
YOUR COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME MUST BE CONFINED TO THE MATTER OR CASE THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE CUMULATIVE OR REPETITIVE.
YOU ARE ASKED TO ADDRESS THIS COMMISSION WITH DECORUM, LOUD, DISRUPTIVE, OR AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR.
IT TO INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHALL BE AVOIDED.
ALSO, AVOID WORDS OR ASKED, TENDED TO EVOKE VIOLENCE OR ARE DEEMED TO BE A BREACH OF THE PEACE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS TIME IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A QUESTION OR ANSWER PERIOD FOR A TIME FOR DIALOGUE WITH COMMISSIONS MEMBERS OR STAFF CITIZENS WHO DO NOT TAKE PART IN THIS COMMENT PERIOD.
PLEASE ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING, ADDRESS THIS DECOR COMMISSION WITH DECORUM ALLOW DISRUPTIVE AND AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHALL BE AVOIDED, AVOID WORDS OR ACTS THAT ARE AIMED AT EVOKING VIOLENCE OR CAN BE REDEEMED TO BE A BREACH OF PEACE.
LASTLY, DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THIS COMMISSIONER'S CHAIRMAN.
SO WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM.
ADDRESS 2 5 8 1 8 GREENSVILLE AVENUE NORTHWOOD, WITH I'M SAMUEL HUNT, 2 5 8 1 8 GREEN BAY AVENUE.
AND, UM, WE ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF, UM, THE REZONING, THE REZONING FOR THE, THE LOT FOR ON GREENSVILLE AVENUE.
UM, THAT LITTLE PIECE OF LAND ACROSS THE STREET, UH, LOT, UH, TWO, THAT 2 38 AND 2 39.
IT HAS BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR YEARS, UM, THAT LOT, IT'S BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR YEARS.
AND, UM, WE JUST WANT Y'ALL TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF NOT REZONING IT.
UM, MY FATHER SAMUEL HUNT, HE PARKS HIS, UH, VEHICLES OVER THERE ON THE LAND AND THAT JUST A LITTLE PIECE OF LAND.
AND WE WANT Y'ALL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR NOT REZONING IT.
UH, THE, THE, IF THEY REZONE, MY THING IS THEY REZONE THIS AREA.
WEST PITTSBURGH PEOPLE WON'T HAVE PLACES TO PARK AT THE HOUSE ARE CROWDED UP ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
IF A FIRE BREAK INTO MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, MY HOUSE GETS BURNED DOWN
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TOO.YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS SO UP ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
AND YOU KNOW, I I LOVE WEST PETERSBURG.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS AND I WOULD LOVE TO NOT TO SEE THIS PLACE REZONED.
AND THEY GET ALL THESE HOUSES ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
I MEAN, HOUSES GOING UP IN THERE LIKE BARN AND STUFF.
AND, AND IF Y'ALL WOULD, TAKING CONSIDERATION OF US, FOUR PEOPLE DOWN WEST PETERSBURG, WE APPRECIATE IT.
THERE IS NO ONE ELSE OFFICIALLY SIGNED UP.
MY NAME IS ANGELA HINTON, 2 5 7 1 1 GREENSVILLE AVENUE.
UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE REZONING.
I WAS HERE SOME MONTHS BACK WHEN THEY WERE REZONING THE PROPERTY RIGHT BESIDE MY HOME.
UM, MY CONCERN IS THE HOMES THAT THEY ARE BUILDING, THIS IS MY WINDOW OF MY NEW HOME OF, OF THE HOME.
I CAN GET OPEN UP MY WINDOW, MY NEIGHBOR CAN OPEN UP THEIR WINDOW, WE CAN SLIDE INTO EACH OTHER.
WINDOWS, FEET, NEVER TOUCHED THE GROUND.
THIS IS HOW CLOSE THESE NEW HOMES THAT THEY DIDN'T PUT UP.
THIS IS HOW CLOSE THE HOMES ARE.
NOW, MY OTHER CONCERN WAS WE HAVE BEEN LIFETIME CITIZENS IN WEST PETERSBURG.
WE ARE NEVER MADE AWARE THAT THEY ARE LAND THAT WE CAN PURCHASE BECAUSE WE ALL MIGHT WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND PURCHASE THIS LAND TO DO SOMETHING WITH.
BUT THE DEVELOPERS, WHEN WE FIND OUT ABOUT IT, THE DEVELOPERS IS, I HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED THE LAND AND HOMES ARE COMING UP, AND THESE HOMES ARE NOT HOMES THAT ARE SPACED OUT.
LIKE I SAID, I CAN LET MY WINDOW UP.
YOU LET YOUR WINDOW UP, WE CAN SLAP THROUGH EACH OTHER WINDOWS.
I'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR 58 YEARS.
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO PLAY.
IF THERE'S NO YARD, THERE'S YARD IN THE BACK.
IN SOME OF THE NEW HOUSES WITH SOME OF THE NEW HOUSES, THERE'S NO YARD AND THE FRONT, IT'S JUST ENOUGH TO PULL A CAR IN THE FRONT OR MAYBE TWO DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU PARK IT.
BUT MY CONCERN IS, WE ARE NEVER TOLD ABOUT THIS.
THE LAST REZONING MEETING I HAD NO CLUES THERE WERE, WAS A REZONING MEETING BECAUSE I WOULD'VE BEEN HERE TO PROTEST IT.
WHEN WE FIND OUT EVERYTHING IS ALREADY DONE, THE NEW STUFF IS HAPPENING, I WOULD, WELL, I GUESS IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PROTEST THE NEW REZONING BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA OVERCROWD THE COMMUNITY.
MY MOTHER'S 89 YEARS OLD, HER PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING UP DUE TO THESE HOMES, IN MY OPINION.
THEY'RE PUSHING OUT THE OLDER PEOPLE FROM WEST PETERSBURG.
THEY WANT TO BUILD A NEW SUBDIVISION ON TOP OF AN OLD SUBDIVISION.
IF YOU CAN'T PAY, IF YOU HAVING A HARD TIME PAYING YOUR REAL ESTATE, NOW LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN TWO TO THREE YEARS TO THOSE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN OUT THERE ALL OF THEIR ENTIRE LIVES BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING UP, BE BEHIND EVERYONE PUTTING UP NEW HOMES.
IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE GROWTH BECAUSE I DO LIKE GROWTH.
THERE WAS A PROGRAM WHERE CITIZENS, UH, COULD GET GRANTS TO GET THEIR HOMES RENOVATED THAT WENT AWAY.
CERTAIN PEOPLE DID GET THEIR HOMES RENOVATED.
AFTER A WHILE, THE GRANTS WENT AWAY.
MY MOTHER, OUR HOME WAS NEVER ABLE TO BE RENOVATED WITHIN THE PROGRAM.
BUT THERE WERE CERTAIN FAMILIES WHO GOT PRACTICALLY BRAND NEW HOMES.
NOW NEW HOMES ARE BEING BUILT EVERY DAY, EVERY OTHER DAY YOU GETTING PHONE CALLS OR TEXT MESSAGES.
IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU OWN YOUR PROPERTY WANTING TO BUY YOU OUT.
IF YOU BUY ME OUT, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO? WHAT YOU GONNA PUT ME IN ANOTHER HOME FROM THESE VERY INVESTORS IN THESE REAL, THESE REAL ESTATE COMPANIES? I PROTESTED.
YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 25 6 10 SURREY AVENUE.
UM, I ACTUALLY JUST BOUGHT ONE OF THE
MY NEIGHBOR'S LIKE FROM HERE TO PROBABLY THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE.
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I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE TWO MONTHS.THE, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN THERE MUCH LONGER.
SO, UM, ALL I CAN SPEAK OR I, ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT I'VE LIVED IN CHESTERFIELD MY ENTIRE LIFE AND THE REASON THAT I WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE A HOME IS BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO MOVE OUT TO DENWOODY IN ON THIS LITTLE TINY 0.12 ACRE HOME.
UM, SO IT'S, UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, RIGHT? LIKE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO GIVE MY STANCE ON THAT.
UM, MY MAIN CONCERN, AND I'VE ALREADY SHARED IT WITH TRAM HOLMES AND MR. BASSETT, IS THAT, UM, WEST PETERSBURG, EVEN IN THE SHORT TIME THAT I'VE BEEN THERE, EXPERIENCES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FLOODING.
UM, I THINK THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE, WHETHER THAT'S VDOT OR THE COUNTY, UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE COULD USE SOME, UH, ATTENTION WITH STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WHETHER THAT BE CULVERTS OR, I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF DRAINAGE OPTIONS, UM, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO US.
BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH IT, IS AS YOU'RE PUTTING IN MORE HOMES AND WE'RE GETTING HEAVIER RAINS AND THERE'S MORE ASPHALT AND, YOU KNOW, IMPERMEABLE, UM, MATERIALS BEING USED, THAT HOW IS THIS GONNA AFFECT THE FLOODING THAT'S OCCURRING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PLACE THAT ON RECORD.
GOOD EVENING TO CHAIR MR. CHAIRMAN AND THOSE THAT ARE GATHERED, UM, NEARBY YOU ALL.
I DO OWN NINE PIECES, NINE LOTS ON WEST SWEDBURG FROM 2 77 AND 2 86.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING TO DEVELOP, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A LOT THAT WENT IN CONSIDERATION WHEN WE ARE DOING SO, WE CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONIES BY BRINGING PEOPLE CLOSER TOGETHER.
BRINGING PEOPLE CLOSER TOGETHER DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GONNA GET ALONG.
NOW WITH ALL THESE HOMES THAT CAN GO UP ON THE TWO LOTS, UM, THAT THEY'RE PROJECTING, WHO TO SAY THE PROPERTY VALUE IS NOT GONNA GO DOWN? WHO TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA GET MORE OR LESS POLICING OUT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA? ME, MYSELF, HELLO TO EVERYBODY.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL, UM, SUPPORTING AND OUT HERE VOICING YOUR OPINION.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, MY WIFE AND I OWN SEVERAL PIECES OUT THERE AND I, I LOVE IT.
I'VE BEEN, I BORN AND RAISED OUT THERE.
WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN CHESTERFIELD, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, I'D BE OUT THERE EVERY WEEK SOMETIME FOUR TIMES TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT IS A BEAUTIFUL THING.
THE GENTLEMAN SHOWED ONE STRUCTURE WHERE THERE WAS A TWO STORY HOME.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ANY TWO STORY HOME CAN LOOK GOOD.
THAT WAS NOT A VERY GOOD DESIGN.
SO, AND NOT TO DETER YOU FROM ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO, BUT THOSE TWO STORY HOMES DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ARE REQUIRED.
UM, HOMES THAT ARE, THAT YOU ALL ARE BUILDING OUT THERE.
I THINK THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN TO A MEETING.
I'VE BEEN INVITED, BUT I HAVEN'T BECAUSE OF OTHER OBLIGATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW MANY THINGS, BUT I SEE CERTAIN THINGS.
UM, BUT I, AS THE YOUNG LADY MENTIONED, THERE MIGHT BE SOME PROGRAMS FOR YOUR MOTHER TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST HER WITH PAYING SOME OF HER TAXES AND EVERYTHING.
UM, IN THE COUNTY OF DENWOODY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO MOVING FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE TRANSPARENCY IF THE THESE THREE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT, THEY'RE VERY NICE, THEY'RE JUST TO CLOSE PROXIMITY.
IF THERE'S A DRAINAGE ISSUE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT IT MOVING FORWARD? THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PREVENT THE CRIME? BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE COME, MORE CRIME IN WHICH IS NOT, NO DISRESPECT TO IT, IT'S NOT THE SAFEST PLACE ALL THE TIME.
YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS LIVE HERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RED AREA, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RED AREA.
WHAT'S TO KEEP IT FROM GOING FROM RED TO YELLOW TO GREEN? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WE HAVE APPLICATIONS FOR YOU TO COME ABOARD TO BE A A RED SKIN FAN.
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MY NAME'S JAMES SMITH.UM, I ALSO GREW UP IN WEST PETERSBURG.
MY PARENTS' HOUSE IS STILL THERE.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE, UH, AND THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD STILL HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
JUST LIKE THEY TALK ABOUT THE FLOODING, THE FIRE HYDRANTS, THE DITCHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE WANT TO BUILD NEW HOMES AND, AND I'M ALL FOR GROWTH AS WELL, BUT WE'RE BUILDING NEW HOMES, BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY.
SO YOU BUILDING NEW HOMES ON TOP OF PROBLEMS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, JUST LIKE MR. TR JUST SAID, THEY BUILD THAT BIG HOUSE DOWN, THAT BIG TWO STORE HOUSE.
IT'S AN EYESORE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NEW HOUSES THAT THEY'RE BUILDING.
JUST LIKE MS. HINTON SAID, YOU CAN JUMP OUT FROM ONE WINDOW TO THE NEXT.
YOU CAN'T PUT TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE SECOND CAR'S GONNA BE ALMOST IN THE STREET, IF NOT IN THE STREET.
SO I JUST THINK SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE START REZONING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO PUT UP A NEW HOUSE.
WHY CAN'T THE COUNTY COME OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THE FIRE HYDRANTS? WHY CAN'T
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
WE KEEP BRINGING THESE PROBLEMS TO THE COUNTY AND THEY SAID, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, WE GONNA LOOK AT IT.
BUT NOW THEY'RE BUILDING NEW HOMES OUT THERE.
GOT NEW PEOPLE COME OUT THERE.
WE GOT A BRAND NEW NEIGHBOR OUT THERE.
MA'AM, I DON'T KNOW YOU, WE GOT A BRAND NEW NEIGHBOR OUT THERE.
WHAT SHE TALKING ABOUT, THE FLOODING.
I GREW UP OUT THERE AND I'M 62 YEARS OLD.
I GREW UP IN THAT SAME HOUSE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM MR. TROTTER.
HE WATCHED ME GROW UP AND NOW WHAT? SAME PROBLEM STILL EXISTS.
I JUST THINK BEFORE WE START REZONING THINGS, WE NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN BUILD SOME NEW HOMES OUT THERE.
ANYONE ELSE? I WOULD LIKE TO, ANYONE ELSE? I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE, OKAY, SO LET'S GET STARTED.
SO I, I'LL I'LL STATE THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT I HEARD AND THEN IF, UH, I DIDN'T ADDRESS ANYONE'S CONCERN, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
SO THE, SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, IS REGARDING THE PARKING, UM, ABOUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO OUR, AS I SHOWED IN SOME OF THE PICTURES PREVIOUSLY, THE HOUSES THAT WE BUILD IN PETERSBURG ARE, UH, ARE PRETTY SIMILAR LOT SIZES, PRETTY SIMILAR HOUSE SIZES OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO BUILD HERE IN, UH, WEST PETERSBURG AS WELL.
BUT WHAT WE DO IS, UH, WE ACTUALLY PUT IN PAVED DRIVEWAYS WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT TWO CARS NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE AT LEAST FOUR CARS PERKED ON THERE.
UM, AND WE'RE DOING INDEPENDENT DRIVEWAYS FOR EACH HOUSE.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PLENTY OF PARKING FOR FOLKS TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THEIR VEHICLES ON THERE.
AND I KNOW THE STREETS ARE PRETTY NARROW THERE IN WEST PETERSBURG.
SO OUR GOAL IS TO AVOID AS MUCH STREET PARKING AS POSSIBLE.
WE WANNA PROVIDE AMPLE PARKING THERE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES.
UM, ANOTHER ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD IS THAT THE HOUSES ARE PRETTY MUCH LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
WHAT I GOTTA SAY TO THAT IS, YES, THE HOUSES ARE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TOGETHER AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE GOT, I GUESS, SETBACKS WRITTEN OUT FOR HOW CLOSE YOU CAN HAVE THE HOUSES.
I THINK IT'S, UH, FIVE FEET ON EITHER SIDE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MARK.
BUT, UM, OUR HOUSES THAT WE PLAN TO PUT ON THERE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO ALL THE WAY AND PUT THEM ALL THE WAY TO WHERE THERE'S ONLY FIVE FEET ON EITHER SIDE.
OUR HOUSES THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN PETERSBURG RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ABOUT 30 TO 32 FEET WIDE.
SO YOU'LL HAVE ABOUT, UH, EIGHT FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND THAT'S FOR BOTH THE HOUSES.
SO I UNDERSTAND IF THEY'RE FIVE FEET APART, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE VERY, VERY TIGHT.
BUT WE, WE WANT TO HAVE SOME DECENT SPACE IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES.
UM, AND THEN YEAH, THAT, THAT TWO STORY HOME, I UNDERSTAND IT'S LIKE NOT A GREAT LOOKING HOUSE AT ALL, BUT THAT, THAT WASN'T A HOUSE THAT WE BUILT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF, UH, IF LIKE SOME OF THESE REZONINGS ARE NOT GRANTED, LIKE UNFORTUNATELY, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME IN, PURCHASE THE HOMES, BUT INVESTORS ARE GONNA COME IN.
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UH, OF, OF WHAT HAPPENS.AND INVESTORS WANNA MAKE MONEY.
SO IF THEY'RE FORCED TO HAVE TO BUILD ON THE EXISTING FOUNDATION, SOMETIMES THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT FOLKS WILL END UP DOING, UM, WITH THE DRAINAGE AND THE FLOODING THAT I'M NOT TOO SURE.
I WOULD WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS, COMMISSIONERS AS WELL, WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS SUGGEST THAT US AS DEVELOPERS COULD DO FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, I KNOW THIS WAS BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY AS WELL WHEN WE CAME INTO THE MEETING.
UM, WHAT, IS THERE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE OF WHAT, IS THAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY OR DOES VDOT, ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO LOOK AFTER THAT? OR I GUESS WHAT SHOULD WE DO REGARDING THE, THE FLOODING AND THE DRAINAGE? I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT JUST, AND IT REALLY IS JUST A COMMENT.
I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S YOUR CHOICE HOW YOU, WHAT YOU DO WITH THESE REZONED LOTS.
BUT IF YOU COULD VOLUNTARILY DO SOME STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IMPROVEMENT WHERE APPROPRIATE, I'M NOT SURE THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT ON THE MAP HERE A WHILE AGO.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT THE, THE SOME OF THE LOTS, AND I REMEMBER YOU SAYING EARLIER, YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE PLANS NECESSARILY FOR SOME OF 'EM RIGHT NOW.
SOME OF THEM ARE ON THE PAPER STREET.
YEAH, IT, IT, IT MAY BE WORTH HIRING AN ENGINEER TO SEE IF, UM, MAYBE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN OR SOMETHING COULD, COULD HELP ON THAT.
UM, I I, AND I'M JUST, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK ON AN INDIVIDUAL REZONE LOT, UM, THE STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT PARTICULAR, FOR AN INDIVIDUAL LOT ARE PROBABLY NEXT TO NOTHING.
SO REALLY IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO YOURSELF IN ORDER TO HELP EVERYBODY ELSE.
I THAT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW I WOULD SEE IT.
SO, SO LET ME ASK YOU, MR. HAYES, ARE YOU, AND AND LEMME ASK THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
ARE YOU GUYS SEEING THE FLOODING HAPPEN MOSTLY ON LIKE LOTS WHICH ARE MAYBE ON LIKE THE BOTTOM OF A SLOPE OR WHERE DO YOU GUYS SEE 19 ONE DOWN WHERE A PLANK IS WHERE SOME OF THE STORMWATER RUNS OFF.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY THERE'S NOWHERE REALLY WHERE TO GO, UM, DURING THE LAST STORM AT THE END OF THE NO GO ALL FLOODED OUT OUT.
SO IS THAT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE IN BETWEEN LIKE THE, THE MCDONALD'S AND YEAH.
REMEMBER THAT THE PARKING LOT NEXT TO MCDONALD'S? YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT THERE IN THE BACK.
AND THAT WHOLE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A DITCH OR A CULVERT OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S ALL OVER.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT AGAIN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL HOMES WITH HARD SURFACE MATERIALS THAT ARE GONNA DRAIN OFF MORE WATER, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME, SO A RELATED QUESTION TO YOUR OR AS A STAFF MM-HMM.
IS, UH, I'M AWARE OF THE PAPER STREETS, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF UH, WHO ACTUALLY OWNS 'EM.
ANYBODY KNOW WHO OWNS THEM? I THINK THEY'RE, I THINK THEY ARE THE COUNTY, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT BEAT AT ADOPTED YET.
THEY HAVEN'T BUILT BEEN COUNTY.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE THE COUNTY.
WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING WHO THEY BELONG TO.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT AGAIN, UHHUH
AND IT COULD BE, AGAIN, IF THE TOPOGRAPHY IS IN THE RIGHT SPOT, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE USED AS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF IFS IN WHAT I JUST SAID, A LOT OF IFS.
AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ALL ON YOU VOLUNTARILY.
I DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL LOT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE'VE LOOKED AT IS, UM, ALL OBVIOUSLY ALL THESE LOTS ON THE PAPER STREETS, THEY'RE ABLE TO BE BUILT ON CURRENTLY.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN, IF EVER IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND PUT IN THE ROAD FULLY TO BE THAT STANDARDS.
LIKE IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY NOWADAYS TO GO AHEAD AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE THOSE LOTS WILL EVER BE BUILT ON, AT LEAST IN THE NEAR FUTURE HERE.
BUT YEAH, I, I, I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THOSE WERE PLATTED IN THE ORIGINAL PLOT OF THE SUBDIVISION WAY BACK LIKE MANY YEARS AGO.
AND SO THOSE JUST ENDED UP BEING THERE, BUT THEY NEVER GOT FULLY DEVELOPED.
SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD, I MEAN, WHILE WE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY IT A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE MARK KNOWS THIS, EVERY TIME THEY BRING ME A QUESTION ABOUT A ROAD, I'VE ACTUALLY GOT A
'CAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED IN VIRGINIA, BUT IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY THIS.
I THINK IT WAS MARK, DIDN'T I TELL YOU ABOUT 19? IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE PLAT WAS RECORDED.
AND I IMAGINE THIS ONE'S OLD ENOUGH THAT IT'S GONNA BE AN OLD PLAT.
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WAS RECORDED IN THE COURTHOUSE, IT IS NOT OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT.IT IS OWNED BY THE ADJOINING LANDOWNERS.
BUT THERE'S A PUBLIC RIGHT OF PASSAGE IF IN ABOUT 1948 THEY PASSED A LAW IN VIRGINIA THAT SAID THAT IF THE PLAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY AND RECORDED THAT THE COUNTY DID HAVE RIGHT OF, OF AN EASEMENT THROUGH THOSE AREAS TO PUT IN UTILITIES AND 'CAUSE IT WAS A MESS.
I IMAGINE THIS IS RITE OF PASSAGE, OLD PLAT RITE OF PASSAGE, BUT OWNED BY THE ADJOINING LOTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
'CAUSE WE GET ASKED THAT A LOT AND EVERYTHING.
SO, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN VACATE THEM.
THERE IS A PROCESS TO, 'CAUSE I THINK RECENTLY WE HAD ONE DOWN AT DUET.
UM, IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO VACATE SOME OF THOSE, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING, FAIRLY SIMPLE PROCESS TO VACATE.
SO JUST THE SAME, YOU CONFIRM WHAT I WAS THINKING.
A LOT DEPENDS ON, ON THE UNDERLYING OWNERSHIP.
AND WHEN THE PLAT WAS RECORDED.
AND AGAIN, I IMAGINE THESE ARE THREE MINUTES.
SO LIKE, I'VE GONE TO LIKE THE COURTHOUSE BEFORE.
I'VE GONE TO THE COURTHOUSE AND I'VE PULLED THE PLAT.
I DUNNO, IT'S NOTHING LIKE A PLAT NOWADAYS.
IT'S LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE I, I PRINTED IT OUT.
IT'S LIKE A PAPER WHERE IT'S LIKE THE SAME ONE PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE PULLED UP ON THE GI S IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT, LIKE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.
LIFE WAS SIMPLER BACK THEN, HUH?
SO DID I, DID I ADDRESS EVERYONE'S CONCERNS? I GUESS, YEAH.
CAN I, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? SURE.
I, MY NAME IS MARSH SMITH WALKER.
I DO A LOT OF RESEARCH WHEN IT COMES TO WEST PETERBURG.
I JUST HOPE THAT WHEN Y'ALL START BUILDING SURE.
ESPECIALLY FOR THE, THE PLOT NUMBER ONE.
HE'S ALREADY IN THE BALL DIAMOND ON PROPERTY.
SO YOU GOT A LOT OF HOUSES THAT'S BUILT ON PROPERTY THAT WHERE HE DOING A LOT OF BUILDING THAT HE SHOULDN'T BE BUILDING ON.
SO I JUST HOPE THAT Y'ALL ARE SURE THAT YOUR SURVEY IS RIGHT BEFORE YOU BUILD THIS STUFF BECAUSE YOU GONNA TURN IT RIGHT BACK THEN.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT.
AND, AND WEST PETERBURG JUST HOPE Y'ALL TAKING CONSIDERATION THE STREETS IN WEST PETERBOROUGH.
THIS IS DEFINITELY PLAYING WRONG.
SO, SO OFF THE, OUT THE OUT THE GATE, THE PROPERTY IS NOT EVEN MEASURED BY, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
SO FOLLOWING ON MR. RU'S COMMENTS, UM, THE PLAT THAT'S OUT, SORRY, THE PLAT THAT'S ON THE GIS LOOKS LIKE IT WAS RECORDED IN THE TWENTIES MAYBE.
SO DOES THAT, UH, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AS FAR AS LIKE DOES THAT MEAN THE LANDOWNERS HOLD ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROAD? I I HAVE TO KNOW, I HAVE, I HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE DOCUMENTS, BUT TYPICALLY JUST AS, JUST A GENERAL RULE IS IF IT, YES, THESE, WHAT I CALL POST STA STAMP LOTS.
THE SURVEY HAS DID THAT IN THE TWENTIES, ALL OVER THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
AND THEY'RE VERY TYPICAL OF THAT.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT USUALLY WHEN A PLANT'S THAT OLD, THE LANDOWNERS OWN TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD.
BUT THE PUBLIC HAS RIGHT OF USAGE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
IS THIS JUST FOR THE PAPER STREET OR THIS IS FOR ALL THE STREETS.
THAT'S JUST FOR THE PAPER STREETS.
PAPER STREET, THE STREET THAT YOU LIVE ON SURREY AVENUE, THE PORTION THAT YOU LIVE ON IS IN THE VDOT SYSTEM.
IT'S A, IT HAS A ROUTE NUMBER AND EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S, IT'S, I WON'T, IT'S MAINTAINED BY VDOT.
IT IS A VDOT STREET I THINK YOU IS, IS VDOT ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR LIKE THE DRAINAGE AND STUFF? IS THAT NORMALLY A VDOT RESPONSIBLE? THEY, THEY'RE ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT'S WITHIN THE VDOT RIGHT OF WAY.
WHATEVER THAT RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH IS.
SO LIKE DRAINAGE AND STUFF MIGHT NOT BE, AND THE ONLY TIME THEY WILL MAINTAIN OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY IF THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT'S BEEN DEDICATED TO VDOT.
SO IF THAT EASEMENT, IF YOU DO THE RESEARCH AND IF THE EASEMENT SAYS IT'S, UM, DEDICATED TO VDOT FOR MAINTENANCE, THEY WILL MAINTAIN THAT.
BUT OTHERWISE THEY'LL ONLY MAINTAIN WHAT'S WITHIN THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY.
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ANY OTHER CONCERNS? SPEAKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE? UM, THAT'S A PROBLEM WE'VE BEEN BATTLING BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND VDOT.THE COUNTY SAID IT BELONGS TO VDOT AND VDOT SAID IT BELONGS TO THE COUNTY.
ALL WE KNOW IS JUST NOT GETTING FIXED.
SO EVERY TIME WE HAVE A HEAVY RAIN OR SNOW OR WHATEVER, WE GOT ALL THIS WATER THAT'S IN EVERYBODY'S YARD, THEY'RE JUST HANGING AROUND THE HIGHWAY, AROUND THE ROADS, THEY WON'T DRAIN.
COVID PIPES DON'T DRAIN 'CAUSE THEY'RE FULL OF DIRT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE JUST NEED TO FIX SO THE WATER CAN DRAIN, PEOPLE CAN BE SAFE, KIDS CAN GO PLAY AND WHATEVER THEY GOTTA DO.
BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'VE BEEN HAVING IS BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH AND WE, WE JUST CAN'T GET A DEFINITIVE ANSWER.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
I'LL USE, I'LL USE THE, YOU SAID EARLIER, NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX WITH THE MOST, UH, YOU CAN PULL THAT BACK UP ALVIN, BUT NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX WERE THE MOST, UH, THE EASIEST ONES, RIGHT? YES.
ONE THING I'M STRUGGLING WITH, WHEN YOU SAY EASIEST, I GUESS LEMME ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU MEAN.
UH, THAT YOU WERE, THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR FIRST ONES TO BUILD ON.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I INTERPRETED SO I SAID THAT WRONG.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST, YEAH, THOSE ARE JUST TWO LOTS TOGETHER, SO, SURE.
BUT I'LL USE NUMBER FIVE AS AN EXAMPLE.
WHAT I'M, WHAT I DON'T FOLLOW IS IF IF YOU'RE TAKING TWO LOTS UHHUH
I SURE, I I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN THE AIR FORCE, I LIVED THE HIGHEST YOU COULD DO LIKE THAT YOU COULD GO FROM ONE PERSON TO THE NEXT ONE.
AND I DIDN'T LIKE THAT, BUT UH, UM, I JUST STRUGGLED TO THAT.
AND YOU, BUT IT, YOU ALSO SAID THAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT HAVING A 30 FEET, RIGHT? YEP.
WHICH IS, NOW TELL ME WHAT, WHAT FOR, FOR, ARE YOU, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM? FIVE FEET.
SO YOU'D HAVE 10 FEET BETWEEN TWO HOMES.
SO SOMEBODY TALL COULD REALLY GO, COULD MAKE A ATTEMPT AT THAT.
WHERE AM WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A REZONING.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE PROFFER.
BUT IF YOU COULD MAKE A PROFFER UHHUH TO, TO, TO GO IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT BEING 30 FEET AWAY, THAT'S ONE PROBLEM.
SO, SO THE HOUSE ITSELF WOULD BE LIKE 30 TO 32 FEET.
SO WHAT WOULD BE YOUR UH, SO THERE WOULD BE LIKE ABOUT EIGHT FEET ON, ON EACH SIDE.
HE SAID EIGHT FEET ON EACH SIDE.
16 FEET BETWEEN HOME OR LIKE MISUNDERSTOOD.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH THE MINIMUM FAR, YOU'D BEING FIVE FIVE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE WILLING TO EXCEED THAT BY, BY A BIGGER NUMBER.
BUT IT WASN'T AS BIG AS I THOUGHT IT WAS.
IS THAT RIGHT? WHAT'D YOU SAY? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I'M SAYING THAT IN OUR U IF IT'S A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET, AND I UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS OF BEING ABLE TO JUMP BACK AND FORTH UHHUH
BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST BETTER THAN FIVE FEET.
EIGHT OR NINE OR 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE WOULDN'T GO TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT A PRACTICAL SUGGESTION NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS, BUT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST MAYBE A PROPER OKAY.
THAT WOULD, UH, CONFIRM YOUR, WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO THAT'S GONNA EXCEED THE MINIMUM SETBACK.
THAT THAT WAS WHAT I WAS KIND OF GETTING AT.
THE DRAINAGE THING AIN'T GONNA BE SOLVED BY ANYBODY.
IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE CASE BY CASE.
IT'S GONNA BE ATTRITION, A BATTLE OF ATTRITION ON THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK ON THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL LOTS, IF THERE WAS A WAY YOU COULD PROFFER SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER, THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
AND, AND TO YOUR, I KNOW THE, THE PARKING I, I I TOOK NOTE OF THAT TOO.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A DOUBLE DRIVEWAY.
THAT WOULD BE DEEP ENOUGH FOR TYPICALLY FOUR VEHICLES.
FOR EACH, EACH NEW, EACH NEW HOUSE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER THING HITS ME IS MAYBE BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT, MAYBE YOU DON'T REZONE ALL THESE AT ONE TIME.
LIKE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR ANY OF THIS STUFF.
THAT'S WHY I SAID EASIEST A WHILE AGO.
'CAUSE I, AND MAYBE I MISINTERPRETED YOU.
BUT IF, IF YOU HAD LOTS THAT YOU COULD BUILD ON YEP.
AND MAKE IT THE PROFFER THAT, THAT I'VE SUGGESTED, MAYBE THOSE COULD BE LOOKED AT NOW BECAUSE YOU ALREADY OWN EVERY ONE OF THESE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN IT'S SOMETHING GET ANY DIFFERENT.
SO ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS, THE REASON WHY WE LIKE WAITED TILL, TILL WE HAD ALL THESE LOTS TO COME IN FOR THE REZONING.
LIKE WE ACQUIRED A FEW OF THESE AT A TIME MM-HMM
UM, LIKE IF I'M BEING HONEST, I WISH THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS JUST REZONED.
ARE YOU? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE LIFE A LOT EASIER.
BUT EACH TIME WE HAVE TO COME IN HERE, WE GOTTA PAY A $1,500 FEE.
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THESE MEETINGS.THAT'S WHY WE JUST TRY TO COME IN AND GET THEM DONE SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND WORK ON THEM WHEN, WHEN WE'RE READY TO NO, I RESPECT THAT.
I IT'S ADDITIONAL COST TO EACH LOT.
I I UNDERSTAND THAT IT JUST, SOME OF 'EM JUST SEEM SO MUCH, WELL MAYBE NOT SO MUCH, BUT SOME OF 'EM SEEM TO BE EASIER TO ME THAN OTHERS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT.
BUT I RESPECT THE COST SIDE OF IT TOO.
TO ME IT'S TOUGH ON EACH ONE OF 'EM.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? SHE ASKED ANOTHER QUESTION.
HE'S COMPARING, UM, HIS HOMES, UH, BILL TO THE HOMES IN PETERSBURG.
WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA TO THE HOMES IN PETERSBURG VERSUS THE TWO LOTS IN WESLEYS, BUT IS IT ONLY TWO LOTS IN PETERSBURG ALSO? 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY CONTINUE TO COMPARE BECAUSE THERE MAYBE THREE LOTS WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A BIGGER SPACE.
SO IN PETERSBURG, THE WAY THAT IT, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE REASON WHY WE COMBINE TWO LOTS IS BECAUSE THE, UH, WHEN THEY DID THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION, THEY MAKE EACH LOT LIKE 25 BY A HUNDRED FEET.
BUT IN PETERSBURG, A LOT OF THE LOTS, THEY'RE NOT LIKE VERY UNIFORM.
NOT EACH LIKE 25 BY A HUNDRED FEET.
THEY'RE ALL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SIDES.
SO THAT'S WHY OURS, I WAS UH, RESTRICTED TO THOSE TWO LOTS.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN BUILD THE HOUSE ON TWO LOTS.
SO THE COMPARISON TO FROM WEST PETERBURG TO PETERSBURG, IT SHOULDN'T EVEN COME INTO PLAY HERE.
THE REASON, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO PLAY WITH THEIR MAYBE THAN YOU HAVE OUT THERE WITH US.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I DO IN PETERSBURG ACTUALLY THEIR APARTMENTS ARE LIKE EVEN LESS LIKE AT THE, LIKE PEOPLE ARE BUILDING HOUSES ON LOTS OF 30 FEET WIDE AND MAYBE EVEN LIKE 90 FEET FEET.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN SEEN HOUSES TOO.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU USED A COMPARISON FROM PETERBURG TO WEST PETERSBURG.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WAS I WAS ASKING.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION SIR? YES MA'AM.
WITH RESPECT TO, UM, NOT NUMBER ITEM NUMBER FOUR HERE, THIS, UM, THESE TWO LOCK UP ON THIS CORNER OKE STREET YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, AROUND THE SPACE THAT YOU HAVE ON EACH SIDE OF THE SURE.
SO HOW FAR IS THIS HOUSE HERE GONNA BE BEFORE ACTUALLY IN THE STREET ON, I THINK YOU SAID LIKE EIGHT FEET, FEET.
SO IS IS THERE, IS IS THERE A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT FOR THE, THE UH, HOW FAR IT HAS TO BE IF IT'S ON A CORNER LOT, MR. BASSON? YEAH, THERE IS.
WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT? HOW FAR IT NEEDS TO SIT OFF THE STREET? I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP.
SO IF IT'S LIKE, IF IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE STREET, THE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE 15 FEET OFF THE STREET.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE 15 FEET OFF OF ROANOKE STREET.
BUT THERE, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S ROANOKE STREET.
SO YEAH, I THINK THEY'VE THANKFULLY GOT SOMETHING SO THAT WE'RE NOT LIKE, WE'RE NOT LIKE RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER.
I THINK YOU MAY HAVE RUN INTO THE SAME ISSUE ON WARWICK HERE, BUT THIS IS A CORNER AS WELL.
SO THAT ONE IT'S LIKE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 'CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A HOUSE THERE, SO YEAH.
SO, SO I HAVE A QUESTION I GUESS FOR, I GUESS IT'S INTENDED FOR STAFF AND I'M, I'M NOT USUALLY ONE TO ONE TO DEFER ANYTHING, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF, WOULD THERE BE ANY VALUE TO SIT BACK AND LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE, UH, SIX LOCATIONS INDIVIDUALLY TO KIND OF, 'CAUSE I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE COST.
YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO MULTIPLY THAT, UH, COST BY SIX.
BUT IF YOU COULD HAVE A, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO LOOK AT EACH LOT INDIVIDUALLY TO DETERMINE WHAT A REASONABLE PROFFER YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT IN PARTICULAR AFTER LISTENING TO CONCERNS THAT MAY MAKE IT EASIER TO, FOR US TO VOTE ON? I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THIS IS NOT, DOESN'T SEEM AS CUT AND DRIED TO ME AS SOME OF THE EAR EARLIER ONES WE HAVE IS THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP, PROFFERS ARE VOLUNTARY.
SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT.
I I SAID FOR HIM TO, FOR HIM TO CONSIDER.
TO HIM CONSIDER THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WHEN I WENT OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THEM, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP IS ONE THING, BUT WHEN YOU GET OUT THERE, YOU ACTUALLY, THERE
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IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.IT'S EVERYTHING IS RIGHT THERE TOGETHER.
SO LIKE ON, IN, IN, IN THIS, IN THAT SPIRIT ON NUMBER FOUR MM-HMM
THERE IS A HOUSE ALREADY THERE.
YOU, YOUR PLAN WOULD BE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO HOUSE THERE.
WHICH, WHERE'S WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF ONE WHERE A HOUSE IS ALREADY, UM, LIKE NUMBER TWO? NUMBER TWO WOULD BE, OKAY, SO NUMBER TWO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT MAP LEFT TO RIGHT MM-HMM
WHICH LOT, WHICH CURRENT LOT HAS THE HOUSE ON, ON THE TWO.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YEAH, IDEALLY YOU WOULD HAVE ONE, UH, ONE NEW HOME ON THE LEFTMOST TWO AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH THE OTHER TWO.
AND SEE TO ME THAT'S THE KIND OF INDIVIDUAL ATTENTION IT NEEDS TO LOOK AT.
I WAS TRYING TO SAY IT IN A WAY OF VOLUNTARY, BUT JUST TO CLAR TO ADD CLARIFICATION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE WILLING TO AGREE TO THAT.
BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD MAKE OUR, MAKE US FEEL A LOT BETTER IF YOU DID THAT.
THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED LOOKING AT THESE INDIVIDUALLY THROUGH A DEFERMENT.
I DON'T KNOW ANY STAFF COMMENTS ON THAT THAT JUST MAKE LIFE WORSE.
I DON'T
CAN I LIKE TO ADDRESS THE IMPACTS OF THE REZONING? COULD I, COULD I OFFER LIKE A PROFFER NOW OR SOMETHING? BUT NO, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HEARD THE PREVIOUS CASE A WHILE AGO? YEAH.
WE, WE ADDED A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS.
WE CAN'T ADD A PROPER THAT'S ONLY UP TO YOU.
AND THERE'S NO CONDITIONAL USE.
COULD I ADD THAT NOW I, TO ME, I, I I THINK YOU ALMOST HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY AND, AND THEN, AND THEN COME BACK AND, AND TELL EVERYBODY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
UH, I GUESS THE, THE, LIKE LET'S SAY I WAS A DUAL PROFFER, THE THING THAT I WOULD, I GUESS BE WILLING TO CONSIDER IS LIKE MAKE IT RATHER THAN THE FIVE FEET ON EACH SIDE, MAKE IT LIKE SEVEN FEET ON EACH SIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
JUST GIVE A FEW EXTRA FEET ON EACH SIDE.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I MAY BE WILLING TO DO.
BUT, SO LIKE MARK WAS SAYING, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT TO YOUR REZONING REQUEST THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO PROPER SEVEN FOOT RESTRICTION VERSUS FIVE.
IT'S, IT'S THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE ALMOST UNIQUE TO EACH LOT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME.
CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING? THIS BE I JUST A HOUSE.
UM, UM, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, UM, I GUESS IT'S THE WAY THE STREET SIDE DESIGNED SOMEBODY, A CAR ACTUALLY RAN INTO THE HOUSE.
YOU KNOW THOSE HOUSES? I'M JUST TELLING YOU.
AND HOW YOU REALLY CAN'T PUT A HOUSE GRANT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD GET SERIOUS.
I MEAN I'VE BRING DOWN CERTAIN AVENUE HOUSES IF YOU MM-HMM
I MEAN, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN GET FOUR S.
SO, AND THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR TO ONE OF YOUR NEW HOUSES, THEY'RE VERY, VERY, VERY ELDERLY.
SO YEAH, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE.
THOSE ONES THAT WERE BUILT FINISH THE HOUSE BEING SO CLOSE.
UM, THE HANDICAP WHOLE, THEY'VE GOT A BRAND NEW HOUSE SITTING RIGHT UP ON THEM THAT CREATES A LOT OF ANXIETY.
I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER.
AND IN LIVING ROOM, I JUST HOPE YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF THAT.
THOSE HOUSES, WE DIDN'T BUILD THOSE NEW HOUSES.
AND ONE OTHER POINT IS, AGAIN, PRACTICALLY IN THE STREET.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW TOO WITH THOSE HOUSES, THEY MADE THEM REALLY WIDE, BUT THEY COULD HAVE LIKE GONE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK AND NOT GONE ALL THE WAY TO WHERE IT'S ONLY FIVE FEET ON EACH SIDE.
I WOULD LIKE PROBABLY GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK AND MAKE IT LIKE MAYBE 40 OR 50 FEET DEEP.
SO IT'S LIKE, AND THEN ABOUT 30 FEET WIDE, YOU CAN HAVE LIKE A NICE 1500 SQUARE FOOT, THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOUSE.
I MEAN I THINK IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT MOST OF THE HOUSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE.
SAM, YOU SEEM TO WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE MORE CONSIDERATION BY STAFF.
WELL, I'M SAYING THAT, I MEAN, I I DO WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR AGAIN.
ANY, ANY PROPERTY YOU WOULD HAVE TO VOLUNTARILY MAKE ON YOUR OWN.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT EACH LOT EACH, EACH NUMERICAL GROUPING OF LOTS.
SEEMS TO HAVE ITS OWN UNIQUE CHARACTER.
AND IF YOU WERE WILLING TO MAKE VOLUNTARY, UH, PROFFERS BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT FROM EVERYONE, MOSTLY YOUR NEIGHBORS, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT IN A VOLUNTARY PROFFER.
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SEVEN VERSUS TO FIVE FEET WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR, FOR THE CONCERNS YOU'VE HEARD.
IF I MAKE, BUT I WANT TO, I WANNA CLARIFY.
AND SO THE APPLICANT WILL KNOW THIS TOO.
A PRO HAS TO BE IN WRITING SIGNED BY THE APPLICANT AND WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING TO DEFER AM I CORRECT IN DOING THAT OR NOT? YES.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.
AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF TALKING ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE CAN CALL THE QUESTION OR OKAY.
COULD I, COULD I ASK ONE THING? IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU GUYS TO MAYBE GRANT IT ON CERTAIN LOTS AND THEN THE ONES WHERE MAYBE THERE'S A HOUSE NEXT TO IT, I CAN REAPPLY WITH A PROFFER.
I CAN DO THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I DON'T THINK, MAY I ASK THE APPLICANT IS, IS ARE THE, AND I'M I'M SAYING THIS SINCERELY, ARE THE ECONOMIC REASONS THAT IF THEY TABLE IT FOR A MONTH, THAT'S GONNA CAUSE YOU HARDSHIP? AGAIN, I'M ASKING THAT SINCERELY.
I WOULD SAY IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A HOLDBACK.
IT WOULDN'T LIKE KILL US, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BE IDEAL.
BUT BECAUSE, AND I THINK HE HAD, THE APPLICANT HAD STATED THIS BEFORE, THEY PAID ONE FEE FOR THIS PROCESS TONIGHT.
SO, BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE SUGGESTION I WAS MAKING? I DO.
SO I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION THEN THAT I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO, UH, TO, UH, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND READ THE STUFF NOW.
BUT UM, FOR P FOR CASE P 25 DASH 13, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER FOR ONE MONTH FOR THE APPLICANT, APPLICANT FOR CONSIDER YOUR WILLINGNESS TO MAKE VOLUNTARY PROFFERS ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
AND TO COORDINATE THAT WITH STAFF.
IS THAT SAID PRETTY WELL? YES.
AND I WILL TELL THE APPLICANT THAT WE STAFF CAN'T, CAN'T SAY THAT THE COUNTY WILL DOUBLE ADVERTISE.
IT HAS TO BE ASKED AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER TO BRING THAT UP OR NOT, BUT I KNOW IT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IN OTHER WORDS, BASICALLY IF THEY TABLE IT TO MAKE IT TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE SCHEDULE OF GOING TO THE BOARD.
BUT WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THAT'S BOARD.
YOU GUYS CAN'T GUARANTEE WHICH ONE, SORRY, I DIDN'T.
THAT THEY WOULD DOUBLE ADVERTISE FOR FOR NOVEMBER.
FOR NOVEMBER, WHICH WOULDN'T SLOW Y'ALL DOWN.
AM AM I MAKING SENSE? YEAH, YEAH.
LIKE IF IT TOOK ACTION TONIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE FOR SURE THAT THEY'LL DO THE DOUBLE ADVERTISING.
SO WE CAN HAVE THE COMMISSIONER'S MEETING AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
WE, WE CAN'T DO THAT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHO, WHO WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER WE CAN DO THAT OR NOT? THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THROUGH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
YEAH, THROUGH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
DO WE SECOND THAT? WELL, I WILL AMEND MY MOTION 'CAUSE I THINK I WANNA MAKE IT MORE CLEAR THAT I RECOMMEND THAT WE DEFER CASE P DASH 25 DASH 13 TO THE NEXT MEETING FOR YOU, THE APPLICANT TRAM, TO CONSIDER ALL THINGS HEARD TONIGHT.
AND WHETHER YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR REZONING REQUEST ON INDI EACH INDIVIDUAL, UH, NUMBERED, UH, LOT GROUPING WITH VOLUNTARY PROFFERS THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO, LIKE I SAID, VOLUNTARILY MAKE AND THEN COME BACK AND PRESENT TO US NEXT MONTH.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT'D BE FINE.
AND, AND CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAYBE GET THIS GRANTED AND THEN GO AND THEN ADD PROFFERS TO THEM AFTER THEY'VE BEEN GRANTED FOR LIKE RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU BY YOU GUYS? WELL, I, I WOULD SAY WE'VE DONE SIMILAR THINGS IN THE PAST.
I THINK OF, UH, A CERTAIN DOLLAR GENERAL RECENTLY.
BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, THAT WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO DENY IT BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT.
IT IT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND YOU CAN UH, YOU CAN GO AND AND KNOW THAT RIGHT? KNOW IT WOULD BE IN NOVEMBER FOR THE BOARD.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA KNOW THAT, THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT IF EVERYONE VOTES AGAINST IT.
THAT JUST KIND OF PUTS MORE PRESSURE ON YOU TO REALLY COME UP WITH SOME GOOD, UH, CONSIDERATIONS FOR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE
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TO DO.THAT WOULD BE THE ANOTHER OPTION IN MY MIND.
OR SOMEBODY COULD VOTE TO APPROVE AND YOU DO THE SAME THING.
BUT IF I MADE THE MOTION, I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO DISAPPROVE.
IS, IS YOUR MOTION, IS YOU ALL A MOTION HAS NOT BEEN AN OFFICIAL YET? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, I ASKED YOU YOUR OPINION ON THAT, SO YEAH, IT HASN'T BEEN SECONDED YET.
YEAH, IF, WELL I ASKED YOUR OPINION ON THAT THOUGH.
MAY, IF IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WOULD SAY YEAH, LET'S PROBABLY GO AHEAD AND DEFER IT AND THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO SPEAK TO THE ZONING AND THEN SEE IF WE CAN GET THOSE PROFFERS IN PLACE.
SO THAT IS THAT, IS THAT THE MAIN CONCERN THAT YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THE, THE, THE IDEA THAT YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE HOMEWORK ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT WOULD MAKE OUR LIVES BETTER.
AND I THINK ULTIMATELY THE BOARD'S LIVES BETTER, BUT WE MEANING US AT ALL LEVELS OF THE COMMITTEE CAN'T.
CAN I ASK YOU THAT? OF COURSE.
YOU HAVE TO VOLUNTARILY PROPER THERE YOURSELF.
SO LET ME ASK ONCE AGAIN IS LIKE, I GUESS THE MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WITH THE SPACING OF THE HOMES, I KNOW YOU SAID CASE BY CASE, BUT IS THAT THE MAIN CONCERN OR IS THERE MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE? 'CAUSE LIKE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE ALL THE BASES COVERED WHEN I COME BACK NEXT.
UH, SO WHAT I HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS WAS MAINLY AROUND THAT, THAT YOU IN THAT YOU CAN INFLUENCE.
BECAUSE I, I THINK THE DRAINAGE IS BEYOND ALL OF US, HONESTLY.
YEAH, I MEAN I'D BE OPEN TO, WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT I MISSED THAT NO, I, WHEN YOU SAY THE DRAINAGE, I WAS JUST LISTENING TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT THE UH, THE DRAINAGE AND THE FLOODING.
AND WHETHER IT, IT IS VDOT, UM, RESPONSIBILITY OR NOT.
BUT IRONICALLY VDOT HAS A, A STATE, SHE RIGHT THERE IN WEST PETERSBURG.
SO, YOU KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT BO YES.
SO IS YOUR MOTION OFFICIAL? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YOU'D LIKE TO DEFER THAT? I'M OKAY.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN JUST FOR CLARITY.
I'LL MOVE THAT, UH, PETE DASH 25 DASH 13 THAT THIS CASE BE DEFERRED FOR ONE MONTH TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT AND RECONSIDER WHETHER HE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND HIS REZONING REQUEST TO INCLUDE CERTAIN, UH, CERTAIN, UM, UH, PROFFERS ON EACH INDIVIDUAL COLLECT, UH, ROOFING OF, OF LOTS.
AYE, MR. SIMMONS? AYE, MR. HAYES? YES.
FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING AYE P DASH 25 DASH 13 THAT'S IN, BEEN DEFERRED FOR ONE MONTH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIR.
I COULD JUST ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION AND I, THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU'RE DEFERRING THE DECISION UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT CONTINUING THE PUBLIC HEARING IS WHAT I HEAR.
THAT IS A VERY WISE, UM, OBSERVATION.
I WAS JUST DEFERRING THE DECISION.
NOT RECOMMENDING A CONTINUATION OF THE RIGHT PUBLIC HEARING.
THEN YOU HEARD YOU, YOU'RE, YOU HEARD CORRECTLY, SIR.
WELL, I CAN, I CAN STILL HEAR.
ANYWAY, SIR
THANK YOU WES SBO, APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT.
HOPE TO SEE YOU NEXT TIME FOR THE PARADE.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UM, TO OUR NEXT STEP IN THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, MR. BASSETT, TO DISCUSS? I HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR.
DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS.
UH, COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS? NOT TONIGHT.
FAVOR FOR NEXT TIME? UH, PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS? NO.
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I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR ADJOURN.YOU WANNA WELCOME THE NEW MEMBER? MR. UM, MS. BASS? YES, SIR.
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THE NEW MEMBER,
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PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU.YOU SEEM WELL VERSED IN, IN THE BUSINESS OF DEN WITH COUNTY HERE.
WELL, YOU MAKE, YOU FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT RIGHT.
YOU, YOU WHO? WHO SECOND MR. SIMMONS' ADJOURNMENT.
NOW I CAN SAY GENTLEMEN AND LADIES, WE ARE ADJOURNED.