* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. MIKE [00:00:01] CHAIR, OUR REGULAR DINNER WITH [1. CALL TO ORDER] THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR NOVEMBER THE 12TH. IT'S ABOUT TO BEGIN OUR SESSION. WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND A MOMENT OF SOM PLEASE REGIS TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ALL. AMEN. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, BEFORE GOING TO OUR NEXT AGENDA, I, AGENDA ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE LOSS OF OUR FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONER, MR. THOMAS TUCKER. WHEN I FIRST CAME ABOARD HERE, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THIS GENTLEMAN AND ALWAYS LOOKED UP TO HIM. I LATER LEARNED THAT HE WAS A MINISTER, AND THAT MADE ME EVEN MORE RESPECTFUL OF HIM. SO TO TOP IT OFF, HE ALWAYS CAME TO THE MEETING WITH A REDKIN SLASH WASHINGTON COMMANDER'S CAP ON, AND AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WE WOULD ALWAYS ENGAGE IN A CONVERSATION ABOUT THEM. SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT, IT IS HIS DESIRE TO NOT TO HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CONDOLENCES OR MEMORIAL OF HIS LIFE. SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN HONOR OF COMMISSIONER REVEREND DR. THOMAS E. TUCKER, JR. CAN WE HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE? AMEN. THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON OUR MEETING AND AGENDA. UM, WE'RE GONNA START OFF NEXT WITH THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. SIMMONS? HERE. MR. TUSS? HERE. MR. LANGLEY? HERE. MR. BISHOP? HERE. MR. HAYES? HERE. MR. HORRIBLE. YEAH. MR. TUCKER. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'RE [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] GONNA HAVE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE, UH, OF THE AGENDA FOR THE NINTH. IS THERE A MOTION? IS, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN. I'LL SECOND THAT IF THERE'S NO CHANGES, MS. CHAIR, UH, I'D LIKE TO, I THINK THERE'S AN AMENDMENT RECOMMENDED. AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE AGENDA. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION PREPARED FOR, UM, DR. TUCKER THIS EVENING THAT, UH, MR. GURLEY WOULD LIKE TO READ INTO THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING. OH, OKAY. WE'RE SO MOVED. THAT BEING SAID, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE APPROVE AMENDMENTS FOR THE RESOLUTION FROM REVEREND TUCKER, AND I'LL SUCK IT, IT, DR. THOMAS E. TUCKER JR. WHEREAS THOMAS E. TUCKER JR. SERVED THE DENWITTY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION AS A COMMISSIONER FOR 19 AND A HALF YEARS FROM JUNE 20TH, 2006 TO NOVEMBER 12TH, 2025, AND AS CHAIRMAN FOR CALENDAR YEARS 2011 AND 2022, IN ALL SUCH SERVICE HANDLING, ZONING, SUBDIVISION CASES, LAND USE, PLANNING ISSUES WITH DISTINCTION, INTEGRITY AND FORESIGHT. AND WHEREAS DR. THOMAS E. TUCKER JR GREATLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPING AND GROWTH OF THE COUNTY INVOLVING ALL RELATIVE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND GOVERNMENT CONCERNS TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS OF DENWOODY COUNTY BY PARTICIPATING IN THE DEVELOPING OF COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN UPDATES, AND SERVING ON SEVERAL PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNTY COMMITTEES, ADDRESSING A VARIETY OF PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUES. AND WHEREAS THE DENWITTY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE 12TH DAY OF NOVEMBER IS THE SERIOUS OF ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR QUALITIES, THESE QUALITIES, AND EXPRESSING ITS APPRECIATION, UH, FOR THIS WORK ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY OF DENWITTY. AND NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE DENWITTY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION HEREBY COMMENDS DR. THOMAS E. TUCKER JR. FOR HIS CONTRIBUTIONS AND DEVOTED SERVICE TO THE COUNTY OF DENWITTY AND ITS CITIZENS, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED [00:05:01] THAT THE RESOLUTION BE PRESENTED TO DR. THOMAS E. TUCKER JR. AND A COPY SPREAD UPON THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING FOR ETERNITY. SIGNED BY ALL COMMISSIONERS PRESENT. THANK YOU, SIR. WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON, DO YOU NEED TO VOTE ON THE AGENDA? OKAY. OKAY. NOW, ARE WE READY FOR THE VOTE ON THE AGENDA TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA? OKAY, MR. GRIDER, ARE YOU READY? I THINK, I THINK WE DID A VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION, AND THEN WE, ARE WE GONNA STICK WITH THE VOTE ON THE AGENDA WITH MR. SIMMONS AND MR. TUSS SO WE CAN DO THE VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION? WELL, WE'VE AL I THOUGHT WE DID THAT. IF I, I'M, IF I'M WRONG, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT, OKAY. WERE WE GOING TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION OKAY. OR IS THAT NECESSARY? I CAN KEEP MR. LANGLEY AND MR. SIMMONS AS THE INDIVIDUALS WHO DID THAT INITIALLY. MR. CHAIR, IF YOU LIKE. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. ARE WE READY TO [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. I I'LL SECOND IT. MR. TUS? AYE. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. BISHOP? AYE. MR. LANGLEY AYE. MR. HAYES? YES. AND MR. HARLE? YES. SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. OKAY. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO CITIZENS COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR COMMENTS, MR. BURLEY? NO. MR. CHAIR? WE DO NOT. SO ARE WE OPENING AND CLOSING CITIZEN COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? OKAY. I HAD IT OPEN UP. NOW WE'RE CLOSING CITIZEN COMMENTS AND WE'LL NEXT, WAITING [7. PUBLIC HEARING] FOR THE NEXT HEARING OF THE NEXT, UM, CASE THAT WE HAVE FOR TONIGHT. MR. AMEN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR CASE OF THE SAME CASE THAT WAS PRESENTED AT OUR OCTOBER MEETING. UH, IT'S P DASH 25 DASH 13 TRAMS HOMES LLC, UM, AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL. UM, AS YOU REMEMBER, UM, THERE WERE SIX MAIN AREAS WITHIN THE, UH, WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT WERE, UM, REQUESTED FOR REZONING. UH, ONE OF THE AREAS IS CURRENTLY ZONED B TWO BUSINESS GENERAL AND THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE TO RESIDENTIAL URBAN R RU, UH, FOR THOSE TWO LOTS. AND THEN THE REMAINING LOTS ARE ZONED, CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE THOSE TO RESIDENTIAL URBAN AS WELL. UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, DID INDICATE THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT PROFFERS AS PART OF THE REZONING REQUEST, AND THE APPLICANT DID DISCUSS WITH STAFF AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, UM, THAT THERE ARE REQUESTING, UH, THE REZONING ON A TOTAL OF 16 LOTS AND, UH, REMOVING, UH, APPROX OR SIX LOTS FROM THE PROPOSED THE ORIGINAL REZONING. SO THIS EVENING, YOUR HEARING THE REQUEST FOR 16 LOTS, UM, LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH PROFFERS, UM, THAT THEY SUBMITTED, UH, AS PART OF, OF THEIR REZONING REQUEST. UM, THE, UH, CONDITIONS, UH, THAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING FOR THOSE 16 LOTS ARE THAT, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE A MINIMUM SIDE YARD BUILDING SETBACK SHALL BE SEVEN FEET ON EITHER SIDE, UH, TOTALING 14 FEET. AND, UM, THE CONDITION WOULD NOT APPLY, UH, TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES, UH, THAT ARE ON THE LOTS PROPOSED FOR REZONING. SO IF THERE IS AN EXISTING HOME OR ANOTHER STRUCTURE [00:10:01] ON THE LOTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR REZONING THE SETBACKS, THE SEVEN FOOT SETBACK WOULD NOT, UH, PERTAIN TO THOSE STRUCTURES, BUT IT WOULD BE FOR ANY NEW STRUCTURES BUILT ON ANY OF THOSE 16 LOTS. THEN THE BUILDING SETBACK FOR EACH SIDE YARD WOULD BE SEVEN FEET ON EACH SIDE. UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE STAFF PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME. UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BASSETT? I DON'T HAVE ANY. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. BASSETT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANYTHING TO SAY, THEY MAY COME FORWARD TO DO THIS AT THIS POINT. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS RIT, THE ROSSI. UH, I MEAN, AS, AS WE DISCUSSED, UH, LAST TIME, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS OF WEST PETERSBURG HAD WAS THAT THE HOUSES WERE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER. AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND ADD A FEW EXTRA FEET ON EITHER SIDE SO THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE BREATHABILITY IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES. AND, UM, WE HAD REMOVED A FEW PROPERTIES FROM THE, UH, FROM THE REZONING REQUESTS AS WELL. UM, IS, DO WE HAVE LIKE THAT MAP ALVIN, YOU, YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE THE MOUSE RIGHT HERE, LIKE THE, THE MAP SHOWING LIKE ALL THE PROPERTIES BY CHANCE, LIKE THAT WE HAD PUT UP LAST MEETING. YEAH, I GOT ANY REASON FOR MOVING IT? UM, WE JUST, THOSE ARE ON PAPER STREET, SO WE JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THOSE RIGHT NOW TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IF WE NEEDED TO BUILD ON THOSE WITH THE PAPER STREETS, WE WOULD NEED TO PAVE THE WHOLE STREET AND MAKE IT VDOT TO WHERE IT'S VDOT APPROVED. AND SO WE DECIDED IT'D BE BETTER OFF THAT WE WERE OKAY. WERE YOU TRYING TO BRING UP A FIT? OH, WERE YOU TRYING TO BRING UP THE PICTURE OR? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. UM, I THINK ALVIN'S PULLING IT UP, TRYING. I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU GUYS WHICH ONES WE TOOK OUT OF THERE. I'LL BE DO TWO PRESENTATIONS SO WE CLOSE THAT. I ALL RIGHT. I DUNNO WHERE YOU ARE. YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS UP HERE. I WAS HERE FOR LAST MONTH. I THINK HE WANTED THIS ONE HERE. YEAH. THIS ONE OR THIS ONE? OH, RIGHT HERE. RIGHT THERE. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO THE, UH, THE LOTS THAT'LL BE REMOVED FROM THE RESIGNING REQUEST ARE ON ONE AND NUMBER THREE. SO THE, ALL OF NUMBER ONE IS REMOVED ALL THOSE FOUR LOTS. UM, AND THEN ON NUMBER THREE, THE TWO ONES IN THE BACKSIDE, THE, THE LONGER ONES, THOSE ONES ARE ALSO BEING REMOVED. THE HOUSE ONLY SITS ON, UH, THAT ONE WHERE YOU SEE LIKE THE FOUR SMALL LOTS FOR NUMBER THREE. SO YOU SAID ONE HOUSE WOULD BE THERE AT NUMBER THREE? YEP. OKAY. YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A HOUSE WHICH SITS ON THAT, THAT LIKE NARROW PART MM-HMM . AND THEN WITH THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE NEXT TO IT, UM, THAT, THAT THERE'S NOTHING ON THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S [00:15:01] A PAPER STREET. SO WE JUST DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND NOT HAVE THAT BE ON THERE. YOU WANT IT BACK TO YOUR PRESENTATION? SURE. YEP. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK, I'M GONNA OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT. MR. MR GU. HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING THEREA LEE? MR. REED, IF YOU COULD HOLD UP ONE SECOND MA'AM. I WANT READ PUBLIC STATEMENT AND THEN YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR, AND YOUR ADDRESS. OKAY. OKAY. THIS PUBLIC HEARING COMMON TIME IS PROVIDED FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE THEIR VIEWS HEARD. YOUR COMMENTS DURING THIS TIME MUST BE CONFINED TO THE MATTER OR CASE THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE CUMULATIVE OR REPETITIVE. YOU ARE ASKED TO ADDRESS THIS COMMISSION WITH DECORUM, LOUD, DISRUPTIVE, OR AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE AGGRESSIVE, OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE AVOIDED. ALSO, AVOID WORDS OR ACTS TENDED TO EVOKE VIOLENCE OR ARE DEEMED TO BE A BREACH OF THE PEACE. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS TIME IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, OR A TIME FOR DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OR STAFF. CITIZENS WHO DO TAKE PART IN THIS COMMENT PERIOD MUST ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS, THE COMMISSION WITH KORUM LOUD, DISRUPTIVE, OR AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE SHALL BE AVOIDED. AVOID WORDS OR ACTS THAT ARE AIMED AT EVOKING VIOLENCE OR CAN BE DEEMED TO BE A BREACH OF THE PEACE. LASTLY, DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THIS CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU MAY COME FORWARD. MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS THERESA LEE. ADDRESS 2 5 8 1 8 GREENSVILLE AVENUE, NORTH END, WOODY. UM, I'M HERE TO, UM, SAY THAT THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LOT, 2 38, 2 39, UM, ABOUT THE ZONING. THAT AREA IS SMALL. IT'S STILL A SMALL AREA TO, TO DO ZONING ON THAT, ON THAT LOT. AND THEN THEY GOT THE, UM, ANOTHER THING TOO IS THE DRAINAGE. UM, AND THEN THE PIPES. THE PIPES, YOU KNOW, THEY GOTTA WORRY ABOUT THE PIPES BEING OLD DOWN IN THE GROUND AND THE PARKING. SO I, I'M JUST VOTING ON NO ZONING FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT, THAT THAT AREA, THE, THE, THE SPACE IS IS IS SMALL. IT IS A SMALL AREA THAT, THAT 2 38, 2 39, THEN YOU GOTTA WORRY ABOUT OLD PIPES. GOTTA WORRY ABOUT THE PARKING AND THE DRAINING. IF IT RAIN HEAVY, YOU GOTTA WORRY ABOUT WHERE'S THE WATER GOING TO DRAIN TO. AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ABOUT ALL ON MY BEHALF BACK TO, THANK YOU, SAM HUNT. OKAY. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SIGN UP, BUT I, I GOT THIS, UH, SAME IDEA, DOCTOR, ASKING Y'ALL NOT TO ZONE, ZONE, MR. HUNT. EXCUSE ME. COULD YOU, MY NAME IS SAMUEL HUNT, 2 5 8 1 8 GREENVILLE AVENUE. THANK YOU, SIR. AND I'M ASKING Y'ALL DO, DO NOT ZONE THE GREENVILLE AVENUE AREA IN WEST PETERBURG. THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I AM ABOUT TO [00:20:01] CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE TO SIGN TO SPEAK, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YES, MA'AM. UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, I ACTUALLY MENTIONED NUMBER FOUR ON YOUR MAP, THAT TO BE, CAN YOU PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM? I'M SORRY. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. MY NAME IS DARLENE PRYOR. I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 2 5 8 1 5 KNOT AWAY. WITH RESPECT TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA, I BELIEVE THE LAST MEETING, UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THERE BEING A REQUIREMENT FOR 15 FEET FOR HOUSES ON THE CORNER. UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING. THIS HERE SAYS YOU'RE GOING INTO SEVEN, SO, SO I GUESS I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I, I GUESS, UH, I JUST WANNA GO ON RECORD. I'M, I'M JUST CONFUSED AS TO WHAT'S REQUIRED. ARE YOU GONNA COMPLY WITH THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS OR NEW REQUIREMENTS BEING CREATED? THAT'S ALL UP TO SAY THANKS. OH, I'M SORRY. ONE OTHER THING. I'M SORRY. AND, AND THE REASON I'M RAISING IT, IF THERE'S A A A, AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE THAT NEEDS TO COME THROUGH THERE, I'M NOT SURE IT CAN GET THROUGH THERE. IF THE HOUSE IS IN THE STREET THAT CLOSE TO THE STREET, THERE'S NO FIRE TRUCK ON SAME STREET, UH, SOUTH. SO DO YOU, YOU NEED TO PLASTIC. YEP. SO, UH, SO THE, THE, THE SEVEN FEET ON EITHER SIDE, IF, IF IT'S ON A CORNER LOT AND THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE 15 FEET FROM THE STREET, THEN UH, WE'RE GONNA ADHERE TO THAT. BUT THIS, THE SEVEN FOOT IS JUST FOR LIKE, THE LOTS THAT ARE NOT ON THE CORNER. AND SO IT'S INCREASING IT FROM FIVE FEET TO SEVEN FEET. YEAH. BUT THAT'S NOT FEET HERE BECAUSE IF THAT, IF THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, IF THAT'S ONE OF LIKE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LOTS IN GENERAL, LIKE IF THERE'S A CORNER LOT, YOU NEED 15 FEET OFF THE STREET, THEN WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THAT. THESE ARE JUST ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE LOTS THAT ARE NOT ON THE CORNER, THAT'S FINE, AS LONG AS YOU CAN THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT. DOES ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I DO. I KNOW, UM, LAST TIME WHEN WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND THE WATER. DID YOU DECIDE IF YOU WERE GONNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT OR NOT? SO THE WATER AND THE DRAINAGE, 'CAUSE THEY, MOST OF THE CITIZENS FROM THAT AREA, THEY CAME UP AND COMPLAINED ABOUT WATER BEING IN THEIR YARD AND WATER BEING IN THE FIELD AND EVERYWHERE. AND WE JUST WAS, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU YEAH. WAS GONNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. SO THE WATER, UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE, WHAT WE'D EXACTLY DO. IF WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE GOING IN TO BUILD, IF WE SEE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BUILD ACCORDINGLY. BUT WE HAVEN'T WE TAKEN ANY PRECAUTIONS BEFOREHAND TO LIKE, TO I GUESS, MITIGATE FOR THAT. YEAH. ARE YOU A CLASS A CONTRACTOR? NO, I'M, I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR. OKAY. SO TRAN HOMES IS A REAL ESTATE COMPANY OR A CONTRACTING COMPANY? YEAH. OKAY. WE, WE HAVE A PARTNER WHO'S A CONTRACTOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL JUST SAY I DROVE THROUGH THERE TODAY MM-HMM . UM, 'CAUSE I HADN'T BEEN THROUGH THERE BEFORE AND I FELT LIKE I SHOULD, UM, ACTUALLY SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES. UM, AND IT, THERE THE ROADS ARE VERY NARROW. UM, AND I'M NEW TO THIS, SO I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED, UM, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER AREAS HERE. UM, SO, BUT I HEAR WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE LAST TIME, LIKE, ESPECIALLY IN, UM, NUMBER FOUR RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT THERE ARE THREE HOMES. AND I KNOW SOMEBODY SPOKE LAST TIME THAT SAID I COULD CLIMB OUTTA MY WINDOW AND GO INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S WINDOW AND I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S GOTTA BE AN EXAGGERATION. IT WAS NOT. THEY ARE QUITE CLOSE TOGETHER. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE PROFFERS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED. UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S A LOT GOING ON IN THAT AREA. I THINK, UM, WITH PROBABLY, I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE ZONING HAS CHANGED SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS. UM, BUT I I, I HEAR THE CONCERNS, UM, FROM [00:25:01] THE PUBLIC. SO MR. BASSETT, UH, ONE QUESTION. UM, I CAN RECALL LAST MONTH IN THE MEETING THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND THE STREETS AND, AND QUITE A BIT OF, UM, LANDSCAPING THAT THAT COULD BE IMPROVED THERE. BUT I APPARENTLY THAT DOES NOT, UM, FALL INTO YOUR REQUIREMENTS OR, UM, PASSING. UH, AND, AND THE COMMENT THAT I MADE WAS, UM, VDOT HAS A STATION RIGHT THERE IN WEST PETERBURG . SO, UH, I WAS JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I QUESTIONED ABOUT THAT. WHY IS THE COMPLAINT SO HEAVY THERE WHEN THEY'RE PART OF THE COUNTY AS WELL AS, UM, PAYING THE TAXES. SO RIGHT VDOT WILL MAINTAIN, UM, WHAT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY ONCE YOU GET OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY. VDOT WILL NOT MAINTAIN ANY DRAINAGE ASSOCIATED, UM, WITH ANY OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY WILL. UM, I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD THIS EVENING WAS, UH, THE CULVERT PIPES AND DRAINAGE DITCHES. BDOT WILL MAINTAIN THOSE ONCE THEY'RE, ONCE THE DEVELOPER OR BUILDER, UM, PUTS THE CULVERT PIPE IN. AND, UM, ALSO EITHER SOMETIMES THEY'LL HAVE TO, UH, CLEAN OUT THE DITCHES OR REGRADE THE DITCHES BASED ON, UH, VDO T'S GUIDANCE RELATED TO THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE PERMITS. UM, SO THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, BY THE DEVELOPER, UM, BUILDER AT THE TIME THE NEW HOMES ARE BUILT, UM, THE CULVERT AND THE DITCH, UM, RELATED TO THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING. UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE MEET VDOT STANDARDS AND DESIGN STANDARDS AND CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. SO THOSE WOULD BE IMPROVED RELATED TO THEIR, UM, PROPERTIES. ALSO VDOT AS I INDICATED, UM, IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE EXISTING, UH, DRAINAGE DITCHES ALONG ANY OF THE ROADS AND THEY'RE WITHIN THE, UH, VDOT PORTION OF THE ROAD THAT'S MAINTAINED BY VDOT, THEY, UM, WILL ADDRESS THOSE, UH, ISSUES AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, ONCE THEY GET OFF THE VDOT OR THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY, UM, VDOT WILL NOT, UM, MAINTAIN ANY, UM, DITCHES THAT ARE WITHIN PRIVATE EASEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES. UM, ALSO, AGAIN, UM, WHEN A, UH, DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER PULLS THEIR BUILDING PERMIT AS THE, UM, APPLICANT INDICATED THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO ADDRESS AGAIN THE DRAINAGE DITCH CULVERT PIPE AND ANY DRAINAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING, UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE RELATED TO THAT. OKAY. SO THE BUILDING PERMIT HAS TO PASS, EVERYTHING HAS TO PASS THROUGH THE V VDOT BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I GOT A QUESTION FOR MARK. WHAT IS THE NORMAL SETBACK ON ON R RU? HE'S OFFERING SEVEN. IS IT 5, 5, 5 FEET ON THE SIDE? AND AGAIN, AS, AS THE, UH, APPLICANT AND THEN, UM, THE PUBLIC INDICATED, UM, EARLIER, UM, ON CONNOR LOTS, IT IS 15 FEET ON ONE ON THE ONE SIDE. AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET, MEET THAT THE 15 FOOT ON CONNOR LOTS. RIGHT? UH, NRUI WOULD EXPECT THAT, UH, DUPLEX UNITS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IN THAT AREA. NO DUPLEXES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE R RU DISTRICT. AND MIGHT I ASK WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS BEHIND THAT? IT WAS JUST, UM, FOR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, THE RU WAS SET UP ONLY FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. WE HAVE OTHER CLASSIFICATIONS THAT DO ALLOW FOR DUPLEXES. I JUST, IT LOOKS LIKE ON THESE FOUR SPACE LOTS THAT, THAT THE FACT THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ROOM IN BETWEEN, THAT IT [00:30:01] WOULD BE BETTER SERVED FOR TWO UNITS TO BE A DUPLEX AS OPPOSED TO TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT WOULD GIVE YOU MORE ROOM ON THE OUTSIDE FOR THE CARS ON EITHER SIDE THAT THAT 10 FOOT COULD BE PUSHED TOGETHER AND ADDED TO THE ROOMS WHERE YOU HAVE MORE ON THE OUTSIDE. I JUST, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE SINGLE FAMILY CAN OWN ONE SIDE OF THE DUPLEX AND ANOTHER FAMILY CAN OWN THE OTHER SIDE. SO IS THAT NOT A SINGLE FA I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S TWO FAMILIES UNDER ONE ROOF, BUT I, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT BETTER SITUATION RIGHT THERE THAN TWO SHOTGUN STYLE HOMES THAT HAVE SLIM TO NO SPACE IN BETWEEN 'EM TO DO ANYTHING IN VERY LITTLE SIDE ON THE OUTSIDES TO DO ANYTHING. THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT CAN'T BE DONE HERE. SO, SO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOMES THAT WOULD BE ADDED IS FOUR OR FIVE. SO THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE ONE HOUSE ON TWO. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A HOUSE ALREADY EXISTING ON TWO. SO THERE'D BE ONE HOUSE TO THE LEFT OF THAT. THERE'D BE TWO HOUSES ON FOUR, ONE HOUSE ON FIVE, AND ONE HOUSE ON SIX. AND THEN THE, THE NUMBER THREE, THOSE ARE EXISTING HOMES. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. SO ONE POINT ABOUT YOUR QUESTION, AND I I THINK YOU, UH, WEREN'T HERE LAST MONTH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WATCHED THE VIDEO OR ANY OF THAT STUFF, BUT I DID NOT. IT, I APOLOGIZE, WOULD KNOW THREE AND A HALF. I WAS JUST, I WAS GONNA SAY I HELPED, UH, KIND OF LEAD THE DISCUSSION AROUND, UM, MAYBE ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER, UM, PROPERTIES. WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T DICTATE TO THEM RIGHT, BUT JUST, BUT SIMPLY ASK THEM TO RECONSIDER FROM SAYING, 'CAUSE I HAD THE SAME REACTION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT SOMEBODY GOING IN, OUT, OUT TO WINDOW AND GO AND LANDING IN THE OTHER PLACE WAS JUST LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S NO EXAGGERATION. SO IN, IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, I'M THINKING WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS BETTER THAN WHAT YOU COULD DO ALREADY OUT THERE, WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH THE EXISTING. SURE. AND SO THE SPIRIT OF THE, OF THEM, OF ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER A, UM, A DIFFERENT, A BETTER PROFFER PERHAPS WOULD BE TO MAKE, TO DO WHAT YOU COULD DO TO MAKE IT BETTER AND, UM, KNOW WITH THE LIMITATIONS THAT YOU HAVE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONTEXT OF ASKING THEM TO RECONSIDER THE PROFFERS. OKAY. OKAY. CAN WE YOU MORE COMMENTS? YES, SIR. I, I'M, UH, ANY MORE COMMENTS? NO MORE COMMENTS. CAN SOMEONE, I'LL MAKE THE, I'M GONNA READ IT, SIR, BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN THE ORDER TO SUMMARY COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 A SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE RESOLUTION IS INITIATED TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSARY CONVENE AND GENERAL WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING AND PRACTICE PRACTICES, I REMOVED THAT ZONING P DASH 25 DASH THREE BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE DENVER BOARD SUPERVISOR WITH THE PROPERS OR WITHOUT, WITH THE PROPER, I'LL SECOND MS. BISHOP. AYE. MR. TUS AYE. MR. SIMMONS? NO. MR. LANGLEY AYE. MR. HAYES? YES. AND MR. HARVILLE? YES. FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING AYE. ONE. VOTING NO. P DASH 25 DASH 13 WITH PROFFERS HAS BEEN APPROVED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT A VOTE OF FIVE TO ONE STATE TO THE CITIZENS OF WEST BURG. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS POINT HAS APPROVED, UM, THE PLAN TO GO FORWARD WITH THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION PLANS. HOWEVER, UM, THIS RECOMMENDATION IS, IS ALL IT IS, IT IS A RECOMMENDATION AND IT WILL GO TO THE, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHO WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO AS OF TONIGHT, UM, THERE'S NO MORE ACTION THAT WILL BE TAKEN ON THIS MATTER. UH, WE THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND EXPRESSING [00:35:01] YOUR CONCERNS AND I HOPE YOU ALL GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS YOU WITH YOUR LIFE GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE OLD BUSINESS, OLD BUSINESS. UM, THERE'S NO OLD BUSINESS MR. CHAIR FOR THIS EVENING. WHAT NEXT IS NEW BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR. [10. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I'M JUST GONNA SAY, AND I RECKON ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS WANTED TO REONE THIS SO EVERYBODY KNEW WHERE I STOOD AND WHERE I COME FROM IS BECAUSE I THINK THEY MET OUR REQUIREMENTS. THEY, THEY DID WHAT YOU AS THE, DID THEY ACTUALLY GIVE YOU MORE? HE KNOWS HE'S GOT ADDRESS THEIR DRAINAGE PROBLEM IF THERE IS SOME ON HIS END, UM, THROUGH VO. BUT I DO THINK VDOT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THERE AND REDRESS SOME OF THAT STUFF THAT IS IN THERE. UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL WHAT FLOODING IN OTHER PEOPLE'S LOW LYING AREAS AS LONG AS THEY DON'T CREATE IT AND THEY PUT THE RIGHT COVID PIPES IN IS THE REASON WHY I MADE THAT DECISION. JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, ANY MORE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS? I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT, UM, IN THE SEAT THAT'S BESIDE ME, UH, MR. GIRL THAT HAS, HE WANTED TO DRESS UP THE CHAIR, BUT HE DECIDED NOT TO, BUT HE DOES HAVE A, HE HAS A, A DRINK AND SOME FLOWERS HERE. AND REMEMBER, UH, MR. MR. TUCKER AND, UM, AS HE SAID EARLIER THAT MR. TUCKER ALWAYS WANTED A, HE DIDN'T WANT DIET SODA, BUT, BUT HE GAVE A REAL TONIGHT. SO, SO WE, UH, ONCE AGAIN GRATEFUL TO MR. TUCKER AND HIS MEMORIAL PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS. YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, FOLLOW THAT UP, MR. CHAIR WITH, UH, WE AS PLANNING STAFF, CERTAINLY GONNA MISS MR. TUCKER'S INPUT, UM, AT ALL OUR MEETINGS, UH, COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, UM, OUTSIDE OF OUR REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, UM, HE ALWAYS HAD, UM, INTERESTING INPUT, UM, THAT WE VALUED AND CERTAINLY HAD, UM, DEFINITELY CONSIDERED, UH, THE CITIZENS OF DENWOODY COUNTY, UM, TRY TO ALWAYS ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND EMPHASIZE THEIR CONCERNS. UM, RECREATION WAS ALWAYS ONE OF HIS FOCUSES THAT HE FOCUSED ON. HE ALWAYS FELT LIKE ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE HAD IN THE COUNTY, UM, IF THEY COULD, THEY SHOULD TRY TO INCLUDE SOME TYPE OF RECREATIONAL ASSET, UH, RELATED TO SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT, UH, APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS, THAT TYPE OF THING. UH, THAT WAS ONE OF HIS MAIN FOCUSES THAT HE HAD. AND ALSO SAFETY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISIONS AND AROUND THE SUBDIVISION. UM, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO ACCESSING NEW DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE COUNTY. HE WAS ALWAYS VERY FOCUSED ON THAT. UM, SO JUST REMEMBER HIM REMEMBERING HIM THIS EVENING, HIS INPUT. UM, WE ALWAYS VALUED THAT AND, UM, JUST FELT LIKE, UM, JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT HE ALWAYS HAD, UH, CITIZENS' CONCERNS. DEFINITELY HEAVILY VALUED THAT AND TRIED TO, UM, GET THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ADDRESS CITIZEN CONCERNS AS PART OF ANY OF OUR, UH, PLANNING ACTIONS. WHETHER IT WAS, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, REZONING OF PROPERTIES, SUBDIVISIONS, TEXT AMENDMENTS. UM, THAT'S JUST THE, THE WAY I ALWAYS REMEMBERED, UH, MR. TUCKER AND HIS INPUT THAT HE HAD ON THE COMMISSION. I'M JUST SORRY HE NEVER GOT TO SEE FERNDALE AT 2 26 WITH THE ROUNDABOUT. YEAH. READ THE ROUNDABOUT. SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THAT OLD INTERSECTION. YEAH, WELL SAID. WELL SAID. BECAUSE HE TALKED ABOUT A RED LIGHT THERE AND THE ROUNDABOUT A LOT. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S IT. SO, [00:40:01] MR. CHAIR, I ALSO THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MR. GURLEY FOR KEEPING US ALL INFORMED AND WHAT HE HAS DONE AND WHAT HE DID TONIGHT TO RECOGNIZE MR. TUCKER AND AND STUFF. AND ALSO MR. SIMMONS, FOR WHAT YOU DID FOR ME. YEAH. AND I KNOW YOU DID A LOT THROUGH THE WEEKS AND THE MONTHS AND STUFF LIKE THAT JUST TO COMMEND YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. ALSO, SIR, THANK YOU. YEP. TRULY APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, I JUST FOUND OUT TONIGHT THAT THERE WILL BE A MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR HIM. SO I PLAN TO ATTEND, I I PLAN TO GO IN AND I'VE ALSO TOLD MR. GURLEY THAT IF THEY WANT TO DO FOOD OR SOMETHING, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SOME THINGS AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. SO KEEP ME IN THE LOOP. OKAY. WELL, IN THAT SPIRIT MOTION TO ADJOURN. OH, OH, I GOTTA SAY ONE MORE THING BECAUSE I WON'T HEAR THE LAST MEETING. SORRY. , MY CHILD. I, I WANNA WELCOME HANNAH BOARD. I I WON'T HEAR WHEN SHE GOT BROKE IN. I'M SORRY IT WAS THREE AND A HALF HOURS LONG, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND LIKE I TOLD YOU, I'M GONNA BRING YOU THEM BOOKS THAT WHERE I JUST WENT TO SCHOOL AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THANK YOU. NOW MOTION ADJOURN. SECOND. MOVED. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE, WE ARE ADJOURNS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.