* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] THIS IS THE JANUARY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING FOR JANUARY THE 14TH. I'D LIKE TO CALL IT TO ORDER AT THIS POINT, CAN WE ALL STAND AND RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMEN. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, SIR? MR. BASSETT? MR. BISHOP? GOOD. MR. LANGLEY? HERE. MR. SIMMONS? HERE. MR. TITMUS? HERE. MR. HAYES? HERE. AND MR. HAR HERE. FIVE MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. THANK YOU. COULD [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] WE NOW HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA IF THERE IS NOTHING TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA. I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE AS PRESENTED TO US. SECOND. MR. LANGLEY? YES. MR. TUS? YES. MR. SIMMONS CHAIRMAN. MR. HAYES? YES. AND MR. HARVILLE? YES. BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. ONE. ABSTAIN. THANK YOU. COULD [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] WE NOW HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER THE 10TH, 2025 HEREIN? NO ADDITIONS OF CORRECTIONS. AYE. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER 10TH, 2025. I SECOND THAT MOTION. MR. HARVILLE? YES. MR. TUS? AYE. MR. SIMMONS ABSTAINING. MR. LANGLEY AYE. AND MR. HAYES? YES. FOUR MEMBERS. FOUR MEMBERS VOTING. AYE. ONE. ABSTAINING. THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW AT OPTION [6. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN FOR 2026] NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THE ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN'S. AND I WOULD LIKE TO TURN THIS OVER TO MR. BASSETT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, AS YOU INDICATED NOW WE WILL TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2026. SO BE MOVED. I RECOMMEND MR. CLAY. WHO? OH, OKAY. SAM. SAM. MR. HAYES. I'LL MR. HAYES, I MAKE A MOTION. WE CLOSE THE NOMINATION. OKAY. AT THIS TIME AND PROCEED WITH JUST THE ACCLIMATION 'CAUSE IT'S ONLY ONE PERSON. OKAY. I'LL JUST, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. A FIVE MEMBERS ARE IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT, NOW I WILL. CONGRATULATIONS MR. HAYES. I'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO YOU. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, THIRD TIME IN THE BARREL HERE. SO KIND OF LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. UH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAD TO, IN A MOTIVATIONAL SPEECH I GAVE TO MY VIRGINIA STAFF AND MY COMPANY THE OTHER DAY, I SAID 2026. WE'RE GONNA BE LOCKED, LOADED, AND BOLD THIS YEAR. AND PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE DO. AND I WANT TO, HOPEFULLY I CAN INSPIRE YOU ALL AND WE CAN WORK WELL AGAIN TOGETHER AND DO A GREAT JOB WITH THE CITIZENS THIS YEAR. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. SO THANK YOU. KIND OF MY THINKING FOR THAT. SO WE'RE [7. ELECTION OF VICE CHAIRMAN FOR 2026] AT TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THE ELECTION OF THE VICE CHAIRMAN. UM, AND SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN THAT UP FOR NOMINATIONS AS WELL. I NOMINATE ALVIN LANGLEY AS VICE CHAIR. I'LL SECOND IT. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, AGAIN, UH, JUST, UH, I'LL CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS AND, UH, ASK FOR A VOICE. VOTE OF ACCLIMATION. MR. AYE. OKAY. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. IT PASSES MR. GURLEY. ALL RIGHTY. SO NOW WE HAVE OUR CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN SELECTED. UM, I'D [8. DETERMINATION OF MEETING SCHEDULE FOR 2026] LIKE TO, UH, HAVE OUR DETERMINATION OF THE MEETING SCHEDULE IF Y'ALL JUST TAKE A QUICK GANDER THAT I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE THERE, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT, IS, UH, THE ONLY CONFLICT WE HAVE WITH THE SECOND WEDNESDAY IS THE VETERAN'S DAY, WHICH WE SHOULD ALL BE CELEBRATING ANYWAY. UM, AND BEING THAT'S A COUNTY HOLIDAY AS WELL. SO IT WOULD BE THE FOLLOWING NIGHT, NOVEMBER 12TH. AND SO, UM, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS WE'VE HAD THIS YEAR. UH, ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? IF NOT, ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF OUR, UH, MEETING SCHEDULE. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ER AS OPPOSED MOTION. SECOND. MR. I GUESS I'LL ASK FOR A VOTE ON THAT ONE. MR. HARVILLE? YES. MR. TUS? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. LANGLEY? YES. AND MR. HAYES? YES. FIVE MEMBERS. PRESIDENT. VOTING. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE'RE NOW TO OUR CITIZENS' COMMENTS, UH, NOT RELATED TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING CASE TONIGHT. UH, MR. GURLEY, DO YOU HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP AND, AND I, FORGIVE ME, WE, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE OUT ON THE INTERNET? NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO NO ONE'S IS SIGNED UP FOR THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS. WE CAN, UH, MOVE [10. PUBLIC HEARING] RIGHT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING [00:05:01] AND, UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE, UH, COUNTY STAFF FOR THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. YES, THE CASE FOR PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE TONIGHT IS SE 26 DASH ONE. UH, THE APPLICANT IS CPEC PROPERTIES AND THEY'RE AUTHORIZED AGENTS, LISA CPEC AND RAMON ESPARZA. AND THEIR REQUEST THIS EVENING IS TO MODIFY THE LANDSCAPE PLANTINGS AND BUFFER AS PART OF THE TREE COVER REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SIMPSON ROAD. UH, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, ALL THE PROPERTIES ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF SIMPSON ROAD ARE WITHIN WHAT WE CALL THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, WITHIN THE PLAN WE'RE INDICATING THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HAVE, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SITES FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, IN THE NORTHERN AREA OF THE COUNTY. UM, ALSO ALL THE, UH, PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES AND ACROSS THE STREET, UH, FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE ALL ZONED M1 INDUSTRIAL LIMITED. SO WITH LIKE ZONING, UH, IN THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE, UM, BUFFERS BETWEEN, UH, LIKE ZONED PROPERTIES. SO THERE AS, AS THEY'RE ALL ZONED M1 INDUSTRIAL, UM, THERE IS NO LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIRED ON, UM, EITHER SIDE PROPERTY LINES, THE SIDE YARDS. UM, HOWEVER, UH, WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, IF YOU OWN M ONE'S OWN PROPERTY AND YOU'RE DEVELOPING IT, UM, YOU DO NEED TO MAINTAIN 10%, UH, LAND COVER OR LANDSCAPE SCAPING ON THE PROPERTY. SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE SITE PLAN THAT WE ATTACHED TO OUR STAFF REPORT, AND I THINK YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN, IT WAS APPROVED, THE FULL SIZE PLAN ON EITHER SIDE YARD, UH, ALONG THE SIDE PROPERTY LINES, THERE IS A SHOWN A 50 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS PUT IN PLACE TO SATISFY THAT 10% TREE COVERAGE REQUIREMENT. THAT'S WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE. THEY ALSO HAVE LANDSCAPING PROVIDED ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS WELL. AND ALL, ALL LANDSCAPING SHOWN COUNTS TOWARDS THAT 10% TREE COVER REQUIREMENT, UH, WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UH, SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS EVENING TO REDUCE THAT 50 FOOT, UH, SIDE YARD BUFFER ON EACH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AS THEY INDICATED IN THEIR APPLICATION, THEIR, THEIR REASONING IS, UM, WHICH I CAN UNDERSTAND AND SOME OF THE SITE AREAS, UM, WHERE THE BUILDING IS LOCATED. UM, THEIR BUSINESS IS TRUCK REPAIR FOR MAINLY 18 WHEELERS, UH, TRACTOR TRAILERS. UM, SO OF COURSE THOSE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED SIGNIFICANT AREA TO MANEUVER THOSE AROUND THE SITE. UM, SO THEY ARE REQUESTING, UH, TO REDUCE THAT BUFFER FROM THE 50 FOOT SHOWN, UH, DOWN TO 25 FEET. UM, SO THEY CAN HAVE BETTER MANEUVERABILITY AROUND THE, THE SITE FOR THE TRUCKS THAT WOULD BE ON THE SITE. UM, 'CAUSE THEY, THEY ARE, THEIR BUSINESS IS, UH, TRUCK REPAIR. SO OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRUCKS COMING AND GOING AND MANEUVERING AROUND THE SITE. SO THAT'S THE, UH, REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT. UM, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THERE ARE AREAS WITHIN THE SITE WHERE THEY COULD REDUCE THAT BUFFER DOWN AND STILL ACCOMMODATE THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S REQUIRED. UM, ALSO ALONG THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE NOT SHOWING ANY LANDSCAPING, BUT THEY COULD, IF THEY NEEDED TO MOVE LANDSCAPING BACK THERE ON THE REAR, ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, UM, ALONG I 85 THERE, IF THEY NEEDED TO, UM, HAVE LANDSCAPING, UM, MOVED FROM ANY OF THE SIDE YARD BACK TO THAT AREA. SO WE FEEL LIKE THERE MAY BE ROOM TO REDUCE THAT BUFFER. UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE RELATED TO OUR STAFF REPORT AT THIS TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I COULD ANSWER THOSE [00:10:01] NOW OR, UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING OF COURSE, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. ARE THERE ANY SETBACKS? I MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY OFF OF ANYWAY. THEY CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING UP WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF THE THE YEAH. NOT ALONG THE, NOT ALONG THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY LINE. SINCE IT'S ALL LIGHT ZONING, THERE'S NO REQUIRED BUILDING SETBACK, SO OKAY. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO, UM, DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO UP TO THE, THE PROPERTY LINE. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS THERE? WHAT WAS THE BUSINESS BEFORE IT BECAME A TRUCK SHOP? UH, THE PROPERTY WAS VACANT. VACANT WHEN THE, WHEN THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IT WAS VACANT. OKAY. THEY'RE THE FIRST ONES TO DEVELOP THE SITE. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, THE PICTURE WHERE WE DON'T SEE ANY TREES? GO BACK ONE. I'M SORRY MISS. I'M SORRY. UH, YEAH, THEY WERE JUST WANTING TO GO BACK TO THE LOCATION MAP. YEP. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO, YOU'RE FINE. SO IF I LOOKED AT IT CORRECTLY, THERE'S NONE THERE NOW. IS THAT WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT? LANDSCAPING? YES. RIGHT. MY, YES, AS FAR AS I KNOW, UM, THERE'S NO EXISTING VEGETATION AND THAT'S WHY THEIR ENGINEER WHO DEVELOPED THE SITE PLAN HAD TO SHOW THE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THOSE 50 FOOT BUFFERS TO MEET THAT 10% TREE COVER REQUIREMENT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BASSETT? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND, UH, SPEAK, ADD ANYTHING THAT, THAT MR. BASSETT DID NOT? AND IF YOU EVENING, AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR OUR RECORDS. RAMONA ESPARZA. UM, 13 13 1. DRAKE . THANK YOU. UM, I'M LISA . SAME ADDRESS. YEAH, MY WIFE. UM, YEAH, UM, JUST KIND OF BACKING UP WHAT HE IS SAYING, UM, BASED ON, UH, THE DIMENSIONS WHICH IS 50 FEET ON EACH SIDE AND THAT LOT ACTUALLY MEASURES 900 FEET. UM, I THINK THE REQUIREMENT'S LIKE 36,000 SQUARE FEET BASED ON THE 10% OF THE SEVEN ACRES. SO EVEN IF WE DO REDUCE IT TO 25 FEET, WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, THE 10%. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE TECHNICALLY AT 20%, EVEN THOUGH ONLY 10% IS REQUIRED. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE TO REDUCE IT. AND MOSTLY BECAUSE IF YOU GUYS SEE WHERE THE BUILDING'S LOCATED, UM, THIS IS, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOT. IT'S A WRECKING LOT BUT IT'S NARROW AND EATING UP 25 FEET AND TURNING RADIUS IS JUST, I'M GONNA END UP IN THOSE TREES. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE. DO ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO IF THE ENGINEER PUT IT IN YOUR PLANS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT? UM, WELL I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW HER NAME. UM, THERE WAS A GAL WHO THE, THE, UH, THAT THE COUNSEL, SHE SUGGESTED THAT, UM, THE ENGINEER PUT IT IN THERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WENT THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS OR NOT BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, BASED ON 10% AND 25 TIMES 900 BOTH SIDES, I MEAN, UM, FOR MORE THAN, MORE THAN DOUBLE OF WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. SO, UM, AND THE PLANS, WHY THEY PUT IT LIKE THAT, I'M NOT SURE. UM, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO CHANGE IT 'CAUSE UM, WE'LL STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND IT'LL DEFINITELY BE BENEFICIAL TO THE BUSINESS. MINE'S GONNA BE A MR. BASSETT, SO. ALRIGHT. NO OTHER QUESTIONS THEN. ALRIGHT, WELL, WELL THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING HERE. UM, I, I THINK WE'RE BLESSED AND DON'T HAVE TO READ THAT STATEMENT. , UH, NO ONE HERE IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'VE OPENED IT AND NOW I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND UM, [00:15:02] DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. BASSETT THEN? IS HE CORRECT IN SAYING HE MEETS HIS 10% MINIMUM IF HE DOES THE 25 ON BOTH SIDES? UM, I, I, AS LONG AS HE STILL PLANTS THEIR TREES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. RIGHT. UM, THROUGHOUT THE SITE, UM, I BELIEVE HE COULD MEET IT. YEAH. IF THE BUFFER'S REDUCED, BUT THE TREE PLANTINGS AS SHOWN WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE PLANTED ON THE SITE EITHER, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE TO SHIFT THE PLANTINGS AROUND ON THE SITE. BUT THE SAME NUMBER OF TREE PLANTINGS WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PLACE. THEIR ENGINEER DID DO BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE, WE HAVE TO GO BY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ENGINEER RIGHT. STATES AS FAR AS WHAT'S EXISTING ON THE SITE. UM, AND THEN WHEN IT'S DEVELOPED, WHAT'S GONNA BE PLANTED ON THE SITE. AND ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, THE APPROVED PLANS, THE ENGINEER STATED THAT THAT WAS WHAT'S REQUIRED TO MEET THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS IS WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN. AND THAT AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF TREES YEAH, THE NUMBER OF TREES, EVERYTHING. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THAT WAS WITH THE 50 FOOT THOUGH, NOT THE 25 FOOT WITH THE 50 FOOT. BUT I GUESS WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS IF THE BUFFERS REDUCED, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO PLANT ALL THOSE TREES, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN SOME AREAS I THINK THE BUFFER COULD BE REDUCED. BUT YOU KNOW, YOUR PLANTINGS COULD BE PLANTED SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT MAY BE ALONG THE BACK PROPERTY LINE, THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING. UM, I GUESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IF THERE IS NO BUFFER BECAUSE IT'S M1. YEAH, YEAH. THERE'S NO BUFFER REQUIRED. WHY ARE WE REDUCING THE BUFFER? BECAUSE THERE IS NO BUFFER. THERE IS A 10% FOLIAGE COVERAGE OF THE LOT AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE ASKED TO DO IS MAKE IT LESS THAN 10%. YEAH. I BELIEVE SINCE THE PLAN IS APPROVED, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY EVERYONE, WE CAN'T, STAFF CAN'T MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER. RIGHT. IT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT TO MAKE ITS MODIFICATIONS TO RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I MEAN IT, IT WAS APPROVED SHOWING THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO A, A BUFFER THAT IT'S, IT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED ON THE APPROVED PLAN. SO TO MODIFY THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN MAKE THAT MODIFICATION. BUT IF HE COMES MODIFICATION AND SHOWS YOU PUTTING SOME OF THOSE PLANNINGS ALONG THE BACK AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT AND IT STILL COVERS 10%, WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING. CORRECT. BECAUSE IT'S, I MEAN I KNOW YOU SAY THE PLAN SAYS 50 FOOT BUFFER, BUT IN QUALITY IT'S NO 50 FOOT BUFFER THAT WAS JUST TO HOLD THE TREES. THE BUFFER WOULD STILL BE SHOWN ON THE PLAN. SO TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, HE SHOULDN'T BE DISTURBING A BUFFER AREA THAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISTURBED, SO MM-HMM . WELL, WELL IT HASN'T, NO, NOT YET. 'CAUSE HE HASN'T, HE HASN'T PLANTED INSIDE THAT BUFFER YET. BUT ONCE IT'S PLANTED, LIKE HE'S SAYING, IF HE, IF HE GOES INTO THAT BUFFER AND YOU KNOW, HE WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I'M SORRY, I COULD HAVE PUT A FENCE INSIDE THE ER OR EVEN LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY MILLS OR ASPHALT, IT HAVE TO BE ALL GREEN VEGETATION. AND I THINK TO CLARIFY, RIGHT, I MEAN FROM MY MEASUREMENT, ONCE AGAIN, IF BASED THE 10% BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE THERE NO BUFFER SHOULD JUST BE BASED ON 10%. UM, IF WE DO 25 TIMES 900 AND THE REQUIREMENT OF 10% OF CREDIT 600, I'M AT LIKE 4,600. SO I MEAN I'M, I'M BEATING THE 10% IF WE REDUCED IT TO 25, I THINK WE DID IT THIS WAY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE EASIER JUST TO GO THROUGH THE MEETING AND REDUCE 25 FEET AND STILL MAKE 10% JUST BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY ACCEPTED THIS WAY. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REALLY SURE MYSELF, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHERE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED IS WE PAID AN ENGINEER AND WE STAMPED THESE PLANS AND HE SAYS THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU HAD TO HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT. I DON'T SEE WHERE WE CAN CHANGE THAT. [00:20:02] WELL, TO ME THE ENGINEER WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO THE WHOLE PLAN. CORRECT? YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT UH, WE'RE NOT USURPING THAT PERSON'S AUTHORITY TO SIGN THE PLANS. NO. BUT THERE THEY WOULD BE DIRECTED AS A RESULT OF OUR MEETING TO HAVE TO AMEND IT AND RESIGN IT AGAIN. AND, AND THAT'S WHY WHEN MARK JUST SAID THAT THAT WAS THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED AND THAT CAME FROM THE ENGINEER AND IT TO ME, THE ENGINEER HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THE LOT AND MEASURE THINGS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT SET. ALRIGHT. LEMME ASK THIS. IF THE ENGINEER WENT OUT, REDID THE PLAN, MET THE BUFF, I MEAN MET THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU COULD THEN RE-AMP THAT OR STAMP THAT PLAN AS APPROVED? CORRECT. IF IT MET THE 10% VEGETATIVE COVER, UM, YES, AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T IMPACT ANYTHING ELSE RELATED TO THE PLAN. STORM WATER, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING TO DO WITH, I MEAN STORM WATER, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RE-ENGINEERED BY THE ENGINEER TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY. TO ME, THAT'S YOUR BEST OPTION IS TO GET YOU ENGINEER TO REDRAW IT TO FIT LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO. LET THEM STAMP IT AND APPROVE IT. AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE US DO ANYTHING. IF I CAN. SO BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING, IF I GO BACK TO MY ENGINEER AND SAY, HEY, JUST SHOW IT BACK 25 FEET, YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF UH, OKAY THE WATER. BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE, THE GRID ON THE LAND WON'T CHANGE, RIGHT? THE GRID WON'T LAND THIS. THIS WAS MORE OF A, AND THIS IS VERY CLEAR, THE GAL THAT I SPOKE TO THAT'S IN, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT HERE, IT WAS MOSTLY A STICK. IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY THERE, THERE HAD TO BE SOME TREE COVERAGE FOR WATER INTENTION. BUT IF WE GO OFF OF THE RULE, THE LAW THAT WITH HAVE COUNTY HERE 10% WHAT WE'RE HIRING, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M BEYOND THAT AND UM, I, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST COME HERE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, GO BASED ON THE RULE THAT 10% MENTIONED, IF IT'S 10%, IT'S DON BLACK MONEY, IT'S 10%. IT'S WHAT IT RIGHT. DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE TREE'S AT ON IT'S 10%. AND I GUESS WHAT HE'S TELLING YOU IS, YOU GAVE US A PLAN, WE APPROVED THE PLAN THAT YOU GAVE US. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING OFF OF. I'M SAYING IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR ENGINEER, GET A NEW SET OF PLANS THAT SHOW WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND, I THINK THAT WAS WHERE THE DISCONNECT WAS, IS THE ENGINEER DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY'S REGULATION AND DIDN'T DRAW YOU UP. SOMETHING THAT MET THAT THEY JUST PUT IN THAT STUFF. I WOULD CLARIFY IT, BUT I THINK THE COUNTY REQUIRES TO DO THAT. AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S TO ME, MISINFORMATION BECAUSE BELIEVE ME, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, KNOWING THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE TRUCK SHOT, I'M LIKE 50 FOOT ON EACH SIDE AND BASED ON THE PLANS, AND I KNOW WE COMMUNICATED WITH THE GAL BECAUSE SHE, WHICH I WISH I HAD MORE SPECIFICS, BUT SHE SAID THAT WAS REQUIRED. BUT YOU KNOW, UM, MARK, I I I, WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE AND RULES AND MADE MEASUREMENTS AND NUMBERS, WHICH THOSE DON'T CHANGE. BASAL MEASUREMENTS WILL WEIGH . WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO 25% OF THE PROPERTY VERSUS 10, WHICH IS REQUIRED. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHY WE FELT CONFIDENT COMING HERE, YOU KNOW, SUBMITTING THIS. ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIR, CAN I BREAK IN? SURE DO RIGHT AHEAD. BECAUSE I'M CONFUSED TOO, MR. BASSETT, WHY, WHY DID THEY SUBMIT A 50 FOOT BUFFER ON EACH SIDE? I'M CONFUSED. THAT'S THE WAY THE ENGINEER DESIGNED IT TO MEET THE 10% TREE COVERAGE THAT'S REQUIRED. SO HE DESIGNATED THOSE BUFFER AREAS THAT THAT'S WHERE THE TREE PLANTINGS ARE GONNA GO TO MEET THE 10% TREE COVERAGE REQUIREMENT. I MEAN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT 'EM WHERE HE PUT 'EM, BUT THAT'S WHERE HE FELT LIKE GIVEN THE SITE, THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE TO ARRANGE THE TREE PLANTINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED ON THE SITE. I'M STILL CONFUSED AND SORRY TO BE BELABORING THIS, THERE'S NO BUFFER REQUIRED. SO HOW CAN YOU REDUCE A, THE WAY WE ALWAYS THINK OF BUFFERS HERE IS TO SCREEN A PROPERTY FROM A, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, BUT IT'S LIKE ZONING. SO THERE'S NO BUFFER REQUIREMENT. THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY MEET THE [00:25:01] 10% OF TREE COVERAGE THAT'S REQUIRED AGITATED IN DEVELOPING A, A PROPERTY IN THE M1 ZONING DISTRICT. SO THE ENGINEER, IT'S UP TO HIM TO SHOW US HOW THEY'RE MEETING THAT ON THE SITE. AND SO THIS IS THIS 'CAUSE THE OFFICIAL APPROVAL WAS SHOWN THAT WAY IS WHY THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT. BECAUSE ONLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN MODIFY THE THAT. OKAY. BUT I'M, LOOK, I WAS UNDERNEATH A HOUSE REPAIRING A WATER LINE BEFORE DAWN THIS MORNING, SO I MAY JUST BE DUMB . SO, SO SO IN A HOT WATER HEATER. BUT SO IF HE REDUCES IT FROM 50 THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT TO BEGIN WITH AND YOU REDUCE IT DOWN TO 25, WHERE, WHERE'S THE REST? WHERE IS HE GETTING THE ADDITIONAL 10%? I DON'T GET IT. WELL, THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE THERE AS SHOWN, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE ENGINEER OR WHOEVER DESIGNED THE SITE, HE COULD HAVE, HE COULD MOVE THE PLANTINGS IN OTHER AREAS IN THE SITE AND STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENT. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S JUST WHERE HE DECIDED, GIVEN THE SITE THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE TO MEET THE, SO INSTEAD OF THE PLANT, THE TREES. SO INSTEAD OF GETTING IT REDRAWN, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN JUST APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING APPROVED PLANS. IS THAT THEY THEY CAN, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS HE, HE STILL, UNLESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS HE CAN GO BELOW THE 10%, HE'S HE'S GONNA HAVE ALL THE TREES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAN AND ON THE LISTED ON THE, IN THE PLANS. HE'S STILL GONNA HAVE TO PLANT THOSE SOMEWHERE ON THE SITE. SO LET ME ASK THIS, HAD HE LEFT 10% OF THE TREES THAT WERE ON THAT LOT WHEN IT WAS FULLY COVERED, HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DOING ANY OF THIS? THAT'S CORRECT. YOU JUST HAVE TO MEET THAT 10% TREE COVERAGE REQUIREMENT EITHER WITH EXISTING TREES OR RE REPLANTING THEM. REPLANT, REPLANTING. WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD OTHER APPLICANTS WHO'VE HAD TO, TO REPLANT AT DIFFERENT QUANTITIES BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WERE THERE AND ARE NOT THERE. UM, SO LET ME JUST RESTATE IT. SO THERE'S A PLAN SHOWING THAT IT MEETS THE 10% BUT THEY WANNA MODIFY THAT AND PUT IT IN OTHER AREAS IS LIKE ARE YOU OPPOSED TO PUTTING A STRIP OF TREES ALONG THAT FENCE THAT GOES BESIDE 85? NO, I WOULD LOVE TO. OKAY. SEE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY. YOU COULD GO GET YOUR ENGINEER TO DRAW THE PLAN SHOWING TREES ALONG THE BACK AND THE SIDES AND WHEN YOU PUT SOME ACROSS THE BACK RIGHT THERE, THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY GONNA LIMIT WHAT GOES ON THE SIDES. AND THAT WOULD SHOW WHAT YOU WANT. AND THEY WOULD STAMP THAT AND SAY, OKAY, I'M SAYING IT'S AN ENGINEER PROBLEM, NOT A PLANNING COMMISSION PROBLEM. 'CAUSE YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THE 10% COVER. I'LL HAVE TO. RIGHT. YEAH. SO IT'S, I GUESS IT'S JUST SHOWING WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE TREES, I GUESS. AND, AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY TOO, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IF THEY DO DO THAT OF THE TOTAL OF LAND SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE, BECAUSE HE KEEPS MENTIONING ABOUT SHOW IT SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE SITE SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT SQUARE FOOTAGE, RIGHT, IF WE, I I'M NOT, HE'S GONNA, IF WE'LL AT 25 FEET, WHICH I'M ASKING FOR THE LOT 900 FEET LONG, THAT'S 22,000 FEET. 22,500. WELL JUST, JUST THE LANDSCAPE PLANNING, THEY DON'T HAVE TO REDO. YEAH, LET'S DO IT. ALRIGHT. YEAH. EVEN IF WE DID PUT SO BACK, BUT WHAT, WHAT, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GET CAUGHT. I'M GONNA CUT YOU OFF BECAUSE YOU DEFINED BUFFERS ON YOUR DRAWING. EVEN IF YOU GOT TO SHRINK THE AREA OF TREES, YOU CANNOT ENCROACH ON THE BUFFER THAT YOU GAVE. SO I I I'M GONNA MAKE THIS CLEAR ONE LAST TIME TO YOU TO ASK THIS QUESTION. IF HE GOES TO HIS ENGINEER AND GETS A NEW PLAN DRAWN AND IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU NEED, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, CORRECT? I MEAN IF, IF HE DID THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. YES. IF HE, OKAY. THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO THAT TO ME THAT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY TO DO IT. YOU PAID FOR AN [00:30:01] ENGINEER TO DRAW SOMETHING, THEY DREW IT ALL WHACKED OUT IN MY OPINION AND NEED TO REDO IT. I WOULD GO BACK TO MY OPINION. THAT'S ME. I'M NOT, I'M NOT YOU AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T LIKE TO DO IS ASSIGN NEW RULES TO SOMETHING THAT REALLY DIDN'T NEED THE RULES TO BEGIN WITH. IF EVERYTHING HAD BEEN DONE CORRECTLY ON THE PAPERWORK OR THE PRODUCTS. MR. I, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE TO VOTE. ANYTHING YOU ASKED MARK MARCUS HELP US THIS PROCESS. LOOK, I'M NOT MAD AT YOU. I'M JUST SAYING I THINK WELL MY CONFUSION WAS I TALKED TO MY ENGINEER RIGHT. AND WE WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS TO BE APPROVED FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE, WE WERE TOLD HE COULDN'T CHANGE THAT UNTIL THIS HAPPENED. SO WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING FOR THE ENGINEER TO BE ABLE TO DRAW A WHOLE NEW DRAWING FOR HIM. THEN THE ONLY THING I SEE THAT WE CAN DO IS TO TURN IT DOWN. BECAUSE IF WE APPROVE IT, THEN HE AIN'T GOTTA REDRAW NOTHING. WELL, THAT'S TRUE. I AGREE WITH YOU. AND, AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THERE'S NO WAY, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD NEVER BE HERE AT THIS SPOT. WELL WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE AS AN END RESULT? BECAUSE I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING BACK TO YOUR, UM, CONSULTANT ENGINEER AND SAY YOU DESCRIBE HOW YOU WANT TO SEE YOUR 10% COVERAGE AND IF, IF, AND IF YOU GET YOUR 10% IN A WAY THAT YOU LIKE AND, AND THAT'S THE ONLY REQUIREMENT THAT HE HAS TO HAVE. YEAH. THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS, IS THAT 10% RIGHT. TREE COVERAGE. YOU GIVE WHAT YOU WANT AND THE WAY THAT 10% LOOKS IN THE FANTASY WORLD, I WOULD'VE JUST LIKE TO GO AND TAKE MY 10%, YOU KNOW. BUT, UM, ME AND LISA, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME. WE WE'RE NOT A BIG CORPORATION. I THINK IT COMES OUT OF OUR POCKET AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ANOTHER 40, $40,000 DRAWING THAT I NEED TO REDO OVER SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TOLD WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE. RIGHT. WHY DID THE, WHY DID THE ENGINEER PUT THE WORD 50 FOOT BUFFER ON, ON THE DRAWING? SEE THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY AT ALL. THE WORDS 50 FOOT BUFFER WERE NOT EVEN NEEDED ON YOUR DRAWING REGARDLESS OF THE VEGETATION. AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS LIMITED YOU IN THE AMOUNT OF SPACE ON THE SIDES THAT YOU CAN USE AS OPPOSED TO JUST MEETING THE 10% VEGETATIVE COVER. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I FEEL LIKE EVEN IF WE REDUCED IT TO 25, YOU COULD NEVER GET ANY CLOSER THAN 25 TO THE PROPERTY LINE. IF THOSE WORDS WEREN'T THERE, YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. WELL, MY CONFUSION COMES IN IS THAT WE MENTIONED ABOUT CHANGING THE BUFFER AND WE WERE TOLD WE WERE, WE COULDN'T JUST DO THAT IN THE DRAWING THAT WE GOT TO COME HERE TO THAT'S MEETING, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. AND, AND WE I'M TELLING YOU, THERE WAS NO NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE A BUFFER. RIGHT. IN M1 THERE IS NO BUFFER. 10, WELL NO BUFFER, BUT 10% BUT 10% VEGETATIVE COVER. THAT'S THE ONLY REQUIREMENT YOU HAVE TO SHOW US IS THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO 10% VEGETATIVE COVER. YOU CAN TAKE THE WORDS BUFFER OFF THE PAPER AND TELL THE MAN OR WOMAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOUR ENGINEER IS, SHOW THE VEGETATION COVERING 10% OF THE PROPERTY. LIKE YOU WANT, LIKE YOU WANT IT LIKE SOME AROUND THE BACK AND A LITTLE ON THE SIDES AND A LITTLE IN THE FRONT. BRING THAT PIECE OF PRO THAT PAPER BACK, THAT PAGE THAT'S SITTING OVER THERE. BRING THAT BACK AND HE CAN STAMP THAT. THAT'S WHAT, AND IT'S OKAY. WE THINK OF THAT MARK. I MEAN YEAH, I MEAN I CAN DO THAT. THE ONLY, THE ONLY PART OF THE PLAN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REDONE WOULD BE THE THE LANDSCAPE PLAINTIFF. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. AND THE WORDS BUFFER TAKEN OFF OF THERE BECAUSE REALLY IS NOT REQUIRED. SO, BUT I, I MEAN I I BELIEVE HE PUT THE BUFFER ON THERE BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, SO THAT SOMEBODY WOULDN'T DRIVE THROUGH IT AND KILL IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. AND MESS THE PLANNING, KILL ALL THE TREES AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING FOR US TO REDUCE THE BUFFER IS NOT HELPING YOU ANY. OKAY. I MEAN IT IS, IF THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE YOU WANNA SEE TREES IS DOWN BOTH SIDES, YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO PUT ANY IN THE BACK. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU LIMIT ME IF WE, YOU'RE STILL LIMITED TO 25 FOOT ON BOTH SIDES. I'LL CHOOSE MY 10%. RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. IT UNNECESSARILY ENCUMBERS YOU. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO, INSTEAD OF US GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND LIMITING YOU TO 25 FOOT, I WAS NEVER . RIGHT. YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR ENGINEER AND SAY, LOOK, I NEED A PLAN THAT SHOWS 10% VEGETATIVE COVER ON THIS PROPERTY. I DON'T NEED THE WORDS BUFFER PUT ON THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DIDN'T [00:35:01] WANT PEOPLE TO DRIVE OVER THE TREES OR DO WHATEVER THEY DID. I JUST NEED YOU TO SHOW A PLAN THAT HAS 10% VEGETATIVE CUP COVER DONE. YEP. SO PROCEDURALLY THEN, WHAT IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION? IS IT TO ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVE THAT THE APPLICANT WISHES? WOULD IT BE BEST TO DENY IT AS SOMEONE SUGGESTED? DOES THIS, DOES THIS GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? NO, YOU ALL ARE THE, SO REALLY WHAT WE COULD DO TONIGHT IS DENY YOUR APPLICATION. YOU DO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT US ON FILM. THEY CAN ALL GO BACK TO THE FILM AND, AND PROVE WHAT HAPPENED HERE. RIGHT. AND GO GET YOUR ENGINEER TO DO A DIFFERENT DRAWING. FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH. PAGE OF THE DRAWING FAIR. IS THAT, IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH? SEEM FAIR ENOUGH TO YOU BEAR NOT CHARGE ME $30,000 TO NO. I HOPE THEY DON'T DO NO, YEAH. I MEAN I I THINK YOU'LL BE REASONABLE TO DO THAT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO I'LL I'LL ADD TO THAT AND I'LL OFFER MY ASSISTANCE. IF YOU RUN INTO ANY TROUBLE, I'M AN ENGINEER. I CAN TALK ENGINEER TO ENGINEER. I JUST LOOKED AT IT TO SEE WHO DID IT. BUT I THINK THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS, IS THE BEST ACTION FOR YOU. I'M SATISFIED. IT'S MORE FOR YOU LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN GET, IF YOU PUT SOME MORE TREES SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU COULD EVENTUALLY GET CLOSER TO THE LINE SOMEWHERE IF YOU NEEDED TO BE CLOSER TO THE LINE. RIGHT. EXACTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL THAT. I THINK, NO, I THINK I GOT AN EDUCATION OUTTA THIS TOO. SOME CLARIFICATION. RIGHT. I WAS PRETTY CONFUSED WHEN, HOW I STARTED. YOU , BUT THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION SO WE CAN GET THIS UNDERWAY AND DONE. JUST ONE MR. CHAIR, GO AHEAD. YES. YEP. YOU FIRST IF YOU NEED IT. NO, I WAS, I I KNEW YOU. I COULD JUST SEE YOUR EYES AND I KNEW YOU WANTED TO SEE. THERE YOU GO. MARK. YOU OKAY WITH THAT? IN OTHER WORDS, IT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT OF THEM DENYING A 25 FOOT BUFFER. UM, WHEN THE REALITY IS, IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE ARE DOING IS BASICALLY MAKING A MOTION TO, TO JUST TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE A SITE PLAN WITH 10% COVERAGE. RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU SAY IT THAT WAY, AM I I AM I INFER FROM THAT HE'S GOTTA COME BACK AND I DON'T WE DON'T WANT HIM TO COME BACK. YOU TO BE APPROVED BY UH, TO BE APPROVED BY MARK. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO US. EXACTLY. EXACTLY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US. RIGHT? NO. NO. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A A BETTER MOTION. A MOTION. I'M GOING REQUESTING THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE MOTION DENIED SO THAT THEY CAN GET WITH WHOMEVER NEEDS TO BE GOTTEN WITH AND GET YOU STRAIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. IS THAT A NO, A MOTION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES STAFF A NEW SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH JOINT TIMBER ADD INTO THE DENIAL PROCESS HERE. YOU WANT A DENIAL MARK? I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE. SO I CAN JUST SAY I CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT HE NEEDS TO GO BACK AND GET A NEW SITE PLAN SHOWING 10% VEGETATIVE COVER AND TO HIS LOT AND PROVIDE IT TO MARK. MARK FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. OKAY. I MAKE A MARK. YOU OKAY WITH? YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I DON'T NEED TO PUT ANY 15.2 DASH THINGS IN THERE. ANY OF THAT? I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. . I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE APPLICANT GOES TO HIS ENGINEER, GETS A NEW PLAN, SITE PLAN DRAWN UP, SHOWING A 10% VEGETATIVE COVER. TAKE THAT PLAN TO MR. BASSETT SO THAT STAFF CAN RE-LOOK AT IT AND GIVE THE STAMP OF APPROVAL FOR THAT SECOND IT ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND SERVE IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND READING ROLL MR. TIM. AYE. MR. SIMMONS? AYE. MR. HARVILLE? AYE. MR. LANGLEY AYE. AND MR. HAYES? YES. FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. AYE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND SEEING OUR, OUR SAUSAGE MAKING PROCESS. THANK YOU. YOU ARE WELCOME. GOOD NIGHT. ALRIGHT, YOU TOO. ALRIGHT, WE'RE AT UM, AT OLD BUSINESS NOW FOR, UM, ITEM NUMBER 11. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS? NO. MR. CHAIR? I HAVE NONE. ALRIGHT. AND THEN, UH, HOW ABOUT NEW BUSINESS? NEW BUSINESS? I HAVE NO NEW BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT. AND SO [13. REVIEW OF BY-LAWS] NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT ON ITEM 13 AND IN SPIRIT OF, OF AN HONOR OF, UH, MR. CUNNINGHAM, WE WANT MR. DRURY TO READ THE BYLAWS VERBATIM , I'M A, I'M A SPEED READER AND I JUST DID IT SO Y'ALL WOULDN'T MIND UH, KIND [00:40:01] OF GOING THROUGH THAT. I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT, OBVIOUSLY. YES. NO ONE HAS ANY, I MEAN Y'ALL BEEN, YOU KNOW, AT IT AT LEAST ONE YEAR. YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING TO MODIFY OR RECOMMEND MODIFICATION, RIGHT? IT'S GOOD. I DO NOT. I DO NOT. SO DO WE NEED TO JUST MAKE A MOTION THEN? DOES THAT AFFECT TO ACCEPT I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT. SECOND MY THING WENT DOWN SO I CAN'T SAY THE TWO THINGS THAT'S SITTING THERE. ACCEPT THE BYLAWS AND THE BYLAWS RESOLUTION MEMO. YES. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE PC BYLAWS AND THE BYLAWS RESOLUTION. MEMO SECOND. MR. SIMMONS. YES. TIMUS? UH, YES. HORRIBLE. YES. LANGLEY? YES. AND MR. HAYES? YES. FIVE MEMBERS. PRESIDENT VOTING. AYE. ALRIGHT, SO I GUESS SIMILARLY [14. REVIEW CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF CONDUCT] ON THE REVIEW OF THE CODE OF ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF CONDUCT, DOES STAFF HAVE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR THEY FEEL LIKE NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR OR NO? NO. MR. CHAIR, WE DON'T. AND THEN FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE LANGUAGE THERE OR YOU WANT TO DISCUSS ANY MODIFICATIONS OR MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT BY UH, THE PC CODE OF EX ETHICS SUCKER. MR. TUS? AYE. MR. SIMMONS? AYE. MR. HARVILLE? AYE. MR. LANGLEY AYE. AND MS. HAY? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE AT 15 [15. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] NOW. COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS. ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE WATER TONIGHT? I WANNA SAY SOMETHING. OUR SUTHERLAND, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. 'CAUSE IT HAS PHARMACY. NO. OH, OKAY. NOT PHARMACY. THE NEW STORE WITH THE BP GAS. MM-HMM . IT DOES NOT HAVE A NAME. 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE ONE. THERE'S NO SIGN. OKAY. THEY GOT ALL THOSE LIGHTS POINTING TOWARDS FOUR 60. I THOUGHT ALL LIGHTING THAT WAS PUT ON A BUILDING HAS TO BE POINTED DOWN TOWARDS THE GROUND AND NOT TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE NECESSARILY, BUT WE DO, WE ALWAYS DO PUT THAT IN WITH CONDITIONS AND, AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE CONDITIONS, RIGHT. SO THEY CAN POINT 'EM RIGHT AT US. NO, I, I'M, YEAH, I'M NOT, I I I WAS GETTING TO THAT. I WAS GETTING TO THAT. WE DO HAVE, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE AS A WAY THAT WE COULD REQUIRE THEM TO, I'M NOT SAYING THEY GOTTA TAKE 'EM DOWN JUST RIGHT. DON'T GO LIKE THIS. GO LIKE THIS. RIGHT. WOULD YOU RIGHT TO YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S BRIGHT COMING BY THERE AT NIGHT. NO, IT IS BRIGHT. I WELL WE COULD DO IT. I SAID IT'S WELL LIT UP. OH YEAH. I'M TELL YOU IT IS WELL LIT UP IF IT'S, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, CASTING LIGHT ON THE FOUR 60 AND AND CAUSING A, A SAFETY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ISSUE. I'LL LET YOU DETERMINE. YEAH WE CAN WE CAN WORK WITH 'EM ON THAT I BELIEVE. BUT YOU ARE, YOU ARE SAYING YOU HAVE A MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH. I BELIEVE SO. I BELIEVE WE DO. YEAH. I KNOW ALL THE NEW STUFF WHEN WE HAVE TO DO THINGS THAT THEY'RE YEAH. ALL THAT HAS ALL THAT IN IT. BUT THAT MAKES IT ALL THIS OBVIOUSLY A BUT THEY ADDED THESE, THESE ARE NOT YEAH. WHAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE NOT TO BEGIN WITH. THESE WERE ALL, UH, AND THEY'RE WONDERFUL. WE DON'T HAVE A SIGN ORDINANCE FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO SIGN EXCEPT FOR THE BP SIGN. YEAH. THE BP. SO, UH, ANY ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE RODE DOWN AND LOOK, BUT THE NEW DOLLAR GENERAL DOWN ON CLAY STREET IS LOOKING GOOD. YOU'RE WELCOME. , I MEAN, SERIOUSLY. . NO, IT AND IT IS AM AM I RIGHT OR WRONG? I, I MEAN I'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE TELL ME THAT IT LOOKS GOOD AND YOU KNOW, SO I I JUST WANTED TO MENTION FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE MAD AT ME, I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS MAD. THEY SHOULD COME BACK AND APOLOGIZE. . WHEN IS THAT SLATED TO OPEN BY THE WAY? I I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. I HAVEN'T. OKAY. THEY'RE THEY'RE MOVING. THEY'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG. 'CAUSE I THINK THEY WERE PUTTING SHELVES AND STUFF IN IT THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WENT BY THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT, IT'S PROBABLY ALSO DEPENDS ON THE PAVING. I I, MY GRANDPARENTS LIVED DOWN THAT ROAD, ROAD. I HUNG ALL AROUND. SO I WENT BY IT EVERY DAY AND THEY'RE SO FAR ALONG FROM THE INSIDE AND OTHER STUFF. THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA HOLD 'EM UP IS PA PLEASE MAKE 'EM PACK THE PARKING LOT BETTER THAN THEY DID IN SUTHERLAND SO THAT IT DOESN'T HOLD PONDS OF WATER ALL AROUND THE BUILDING. MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN CONTROL OF THAT. WE DON'T HAVE A SOIL AND SEDIMENT AND EROSION CONTROL PERSON ANYMORE. THEY SEEM TO COME AND GO WITH THE WIND. BUT [00:45:01] WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT CAN REVIEW ALL THAT STUFF. THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT OR TELL 'EM TO DIG IT UP. I MEAN THIS, THESE ARE STANDARDS THAT WE SHOULD HOLD EVERYBODY TO. IT'S NOT JUST THEM. AND, AND BY THE WAY, MOST ENGINEERS DON'T CAUSE PROBLEMS. THEY, THEY SOLVE PROBLEMS AND I WOULD THINK THAT MOST WILL KNOW WHICH WAY WATER FLOWS THAT WELL. WHOEVER DID THE SAME COMPANY DID THE ONE IN SUTHERLAND THAT'S DOING THE ONE IN FORD. SO THE TOPOGRAPHY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SO I'M HOPING, WELL, I'M HOPING TOO AND SEE SAM YOU JUST BROUGHT UP WHAT ABOUT THE ENGINEER? THAT'S KINDA WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT THE SPECS. IF I PAY THE ENGINEER TO COME OUT THERE AND LAY IT OUT FOR ME AND HE TOLD ME THIS IS WHAT I HAD TO HAVE TO DO THAT 10%, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW PRINTING IT ALL ON THE BACK IS GOING TO GIVE HIM THAT 10%. WOW. I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET 25 PLUS TO BE ABLE TO GET THE 10% OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY. I THINK HE MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DON'T, I JUST DON'T THINK 25 I, I TOOK A GANDER AT THAT AS YOU ALL NOTICED. AND I KIND OF ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION WHEN I TOOK A GANDER AT IT. BUT THAT'S ALL I ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? ANYTHING? I DON'T, WELL AGAIN, I'M MOTIVATED FOR 2026. ME TOO. YOU KNOW THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY STARTED TODAY AND THE, THE BILLS WERE JUST FLOWING AND I KNOW MR. DREWRY AND MR. SOUTH HALL. I WANNA START CALLING HIM DR. TYLER BY THE WAY BECAUSE I LIKE, I LIKE HIS BROTHER. I CALL HIM DR. K LIVES SO HIS DR. TYLER, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE UP TO YOUR EYEBALLS IN UH, IN LEGISLATION 'CAUSE IT'S THE CORRECT. I'VE JUST SEEN SO MUCH STUFF ALREADY. JUST BLOWS MY MIND. SO WELCOME TO 2026. I GOT ONE LAST DID, DID Y'ALL KNOW SUTHERLAND PHARMACY WAS GOING OUTTA BUSINESS? I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. THAT'S A SAD DAY. YEAH, I DIDN'T BECAUSE WALGREENS CAN'T HANDLE IT. NO, I LEFT WALGREENS FOR THAT REASON. . YEAH. AND YET WE CAN'T GET CVS TO COME BACK AND TRY TO GET THAT CORNER LOT AGAIN. THEY CAN GET THE PRESCRIPTIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR PROBLEM IS WITH FIGURING OUT HOW MANY THEY WERE GOING TO GET. MM-HMM . SO NOW LIKE THE REST OF THE HOLE IN THE DONUT, WE GOTTA GO TO COLONIAL HEIGHTS AND DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF INDEMNITY. MM-HMM MAY I ASK WHY IS IT, WHY IS IT CLOSING PHARMACY PHARMACISTS LEAVING OR I'M SURE WALGREENS MAY HEAP AN OFFER HE COULD NOT REFUSE TO CLOSE IT AND I'M SURE THAT HE'S GOING TO WORK FOR WALGREENS TO BE ONE OF THEIR PHARMACISTS AND THEN THEY PAID HIM MONEY ON TOP TO BUY OUT HIS BUSINESS. SO I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT IT WAS JUST TOO GOOD A DEAL TO PUT BECAUSE HE'S, I'VE KNOWN HEATH SINCE HE WAS A BABY. HE LIVED ON THE FARM WITH US. I PLAYED WITH HIM AS KIDS. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S 'CAUSE HE'S NOT MAKING ANY MONEY. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE DEAL IS TOO GOOD TO TURN DOWN. ALRIGHT, WELL YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT READING THE COMMUNITY BOARD EARLIER. I SAW IT ON THE COMMUNITY BOARD THEN I GOT MY OWN LETTER TODAY AND I JUST, BEFORE I CAME DOWN HERE AND I DID TAKE NOTE THAT HE MENTIONED HIS GRANDKIDS OR SOMETHING IN THE, IN HIS, IN HIS. THAT'S THE CASE THEN. GOD BLESS HIM. I KNOW HE CAN GO LIVE DOWN IN NAGS HEAD TOO. SO, UH, 'CAUSE HE'S GOT A PLACE DOWN THERE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND I'M, I IT'S A SAD DAY FOR DENWITTY COUNTY. SUPER SAD DAY BECAUSE WALGREENS IS ALREADY OVERRUN AT THE NORTH END. WE GOT RID OF THE RIGHT AID BECAUSE WALGREENS BOUGHT HIM AND NOW THEY'RE JUST LEAVING US IN AN EVEN WORSE SITUATION. PLUS THEY DON'T TAKE ANTHEM. SO IF YOU GOT ANTHEM, THEN DON'T GO TO WALGREENS 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING, NOT GONNA GET 'EM TO TAKE IT. YEAH. I DID A QUICK LOOK AT A MAP TODAY WE'RE NOW IN A, WHAT I CALL A PHARMACY DESERT. OOH. JUST LIKE THE FOOD DESERT. WE WERE IN . SO NO OTHER COMMENTS [16. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS] AGAIN MOTIVATED FOR 2026. MR. BASSETT PLANNING DIRECTOR COMMENTS, YOU SAID YOU GOTTA NEW STAFF COMING ON BOARD'S GOING TO HELP ADDRESS ALL THIS BORDER FLOWING DOWNHILL . NO, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY NEW STAFF. OH, I THOUGHT YOU, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD THIS AFTERNOON. I APOLOGIZE. I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMEBODY THAT COULD, THAT I, THAT I CAN'T COMMENT ON. AH, OKAY. I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMEBODY THAT COULD TELL HOW WATER'S FLOWING DOWNHILL. UH, OKAY. ANY OTHER, ANYTHING? YOU GOT WHAT, WHAT? I ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AHEAD WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE SAME PALLET. LOOK AHEAD. WE HAVE UM, ONE APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED FOR A REPLACEMENT CELL TOWER ON ELLINGTON ROAD AT THE DOMINION POWER SUBSTATION. AND, [00:50:01] UM, MR. DREWRY AND I HAD WORKED WITH THEM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ABOUT OVER A YEAR AGO. AND THEY, THEY HAVE AN EXISTING TOWER THERE AND FOR THEIR PURPOSES THEY SAY TO COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH THAT SUBSTATION AND OTHER REASONS PROBABLY THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, UM, THEY NEED TO PUT A NEW TOWER UP THAT'S HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING ONE. SO THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO COME AND REQUEST A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT NEW TOWER VERSUS JUST REPLACING THE TOWER THAT WAS THERE OVER 1 99, I TAKE IT. YES. SO THAT, THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WILL BE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT READY FOR FEBRUARY. THEY JUST TURNED THAT APPLICATION IN. SO THAT'LL BE AT YOUR MARCH MEETING. SO CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY. WELL I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ORDINANCES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND PERHAPS MODIFY OVER THE YEARS. MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AS A RESOLUTION FOR 2026. I DON'T KNOW THE ONE THAT I, SO TECHNICALLY WE DO NOT NEED TO HAVE A MEETING FOR FEBRUARY, UH, WITH NO PUBLIC HEARINGS. BUT IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE YOU ALL WANTED TO DISCUSS DURING THAT MEETING, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT THEN. BUT ALRIGHT, MOTION TO ADJOURN, MR. CHAIR. OH, YES SIR. Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL NEED TO AMEND THIS AGENDA FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY COMMENTS, UH, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY COMMENTS, , YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, SO I'M JUST GOING REVEREND GURLEY, WE NEED TO PUBLISH THE MEETING RESOLUTION SEVEN DAYS BEFORE IF THEY HAVE THE NEXT MEETING, WHENEVER IT IS, FEBRUARY OR MARCH. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. I THINK WHAT'S HOLDING UP THE DOLLAR GENERAL THAT Y'ALL ARE SO IMPRESSED WITH IS THAT UH, THEY, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET A PLAQUE MADE FOR MR. TITMUS TO PUT PUT IN FRONT OF IT. THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD HAVE A PLAQUE THERE . SO ANYWAY, AND THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. IS THAT ACCLIMATION? ALL IN FAVOR. A. A WE ARE ADJOURNED. ALRIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.