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ALL RIGHT.[1. CALL TO ORDER]
I'D LIKE TO CALL OUR, UH, MARCH, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.AND I INVITE, UM, OH, I'M SORRY.
I'D LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE TO, UH, STAND AND HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND ALSO TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE OR IF, LIKE ME, PRAY FOR OUR COUNTY AND COUNTRY OUR PLEASURE.
TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.ANYONE HAS A, AN APPROVAL OF AGENDA OR I GUESS MR. BASS, DID YOU HAVE ANY, UH, ANYTHING RECOMMENDED FOR CHANGE YOURSELF? NO.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE A RECOMMENDED CHANGE? IT'S NOT A MOTION.
MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
[5. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
FIVE HERE.IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN GENERAL TONIGHT? NOT ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE CASE WE HAVE, BUT JUST IN, IN GENERAL TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL THEN PROCEED TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. CHAIR, I DID HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP OVER THERE THAT'S FOR THE PUBLIC.
THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[6. PUBLIC HEARING]
WE DO HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, KC DASH 26 DASH ONE.SO I ASK OUR PLANNING FOLKS TO, UH, PRESENT THAT.
UH, AS YOU INDICATED, UH, THE CASE WE HAVE BEFORE US THIS EVENING IS C DASH 26 DASH ONE.
IT'S VIRGINIA POWER AND ELECTRIC COMPANY, UM, CARE OF DOMINION ENERGY THROUGH ITS AGENT HAROLD TIMMONS WITH TEP GROUP.
AND THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUESTS THIS EVENING IS TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A 420 FOOT SELF-SUPPORT WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER WITH A FOUR FOOT LIGHTNING ROD AT THE TOP, OF COURSE, AT WHAT THEY CALL THEIR CARSON SUBSTATION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SUBSTATION, UH, IS LOCATED BEHIND THE APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET, UM, ON AVERAGE, UH, BEHIND, UH, HEAVILY WOODED, UH, LANDSCAPED AREA ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND OF CORRESPONDING ON ELLINGTON ROAD.
UM, LOOKING AT THE GENERAL AREA, THE ENTIRE AREA, EXCEPT FOR THE RAILROAD, UH, RIGHT OF WAY IS ALL ZONED A TO TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AND IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS IS WITHIN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA AND IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, OF COURSE, UM, IT'S EXPECTED THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE PUBLIC SERVICE FACILITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND OTHER TYPE OF SERVICE DEVELOPMENT TO SERVICE OUR RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UM, AGAIN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL GENERAL AND AN AGRICULTURAL GENERAL PROPERTY.
UM, UH, NEW BUILD TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER IS, UH, SUPPORTED, UH, IN OUR A TWO ZONING DISTRICT ALONG WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO HENCE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THEY, OF COURSE, THE EXISTING SUBSTATION.
UM, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE A 200 FOOT, UH, TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE SUBSTATION IN THE INTERIOR OF THE SUBSTATION
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FENCED AREA.AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR THAT DOMINION ALSO OWNS.
UM, THEY HAVE AN EXISTING 400 FOOT GUIDE TOWER, UM, OF COURSE BEHIND THE SUBSTATION.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE TWO EXISTING TOWERS, UH, THAT WE JUST DESCRIBED AND REPLACE IT WITH THE, UH, 420 FOOT TOWER, UM, OUTSIDE THE SUBSTATION COMPOUND AREA, THE FENCED AREA, UM, BEHIND, UH, ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IN THAT, UH, LANDSCAPED AREA, UH, BACK TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE SUBSTATION.
UM, OF COURSE, LOOKING AT THE EXISTING LAND USES, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE'S TWO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, LOTS ACROSS ELLINGTON ROAD.
UM, AND THEN, UH, TO THE WEST YOU HAVE THE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY ALONG WITH THE TRANSMISSION LINES, AND THEN OF COURSE TO THE REAR, THE WOODED AREA, UM, TO THE EAST, THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
AND ALSO ON THE EAST SIDE, THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
ANOTHER EXISTING, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AGAIN, ALL THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED, UH, A TWO AGRICULTURAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY, WHICH ALL THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY THROUGHOUT DIMITY COUNTY IS OWNED.
UM, LOOKING AT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, UM, FOR, UM, CITING TELECOMMUNICATION ANTENNA, UM, IN THE COUNTY IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND, UM, WE HAVE THOSE OUTLINED FOR YOU AS WELL.
UM, ALSO, UH, ONE OF THE MAIN, UH, POINTS AS WE GO THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT THE, UM, ALL TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWERS, WE DO HAVE SPECIFIC STANDARDS RELATED TO SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO OUR NORMAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE, UH, SPECIAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR TOWERS, UH, ONE BEING THAT THE TOWER MUST BE SET BACK A DISTANCE EQUAL TO 200% OF THE HEIGHT OF THE ANTENNA OR TOWER TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
AND THEN IN NO CASE SHOULD IT BE LESS THAN 400 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, OF COURSE, 200% OF THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWER, UH, THIS TOWER THAT'S PROPOSED WILL BE 840 FEET.
AND THE DISTANCE PROPOSED, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED TOWER TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
THOSE ARE THE TWO STRUCTURES THAT ARE LOCATED ACROSS ELLINGTON ROAD.
UH, ONE IS APPROXIMATELY 577 FEET AND THE OTHER IS 675 FEET.
SO THEY DON'T, UH, THEY DO MEET THE, UH, 400 FOOT, UH, MINIMUM, UM, BUT THEY DON'T MEET THE 200%, UH, SETBACK, UH, REQUIREMENT.
UH, TO NOTE I SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THAT, UH, WHEN OUTLINING THE SETBACKS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, BY ORDINANCE DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT, UH, WAIVERS TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE DISTANCES, UH, FROM A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND ALSO FROM PROPERTY LINES.
SO THE BOARD DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, UM, GRANT THE SETBACK WAIVERS AS PART OF THEIR, UM, IF THEY CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE TOWER.
UM, THE SECOND SET OF SETBACK REQUIREMENT IS THE, THAT ALL ANTENNA SUPPORT STRUCTURES MUST BE SET BACK 110% OF THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE 462 FEET.
UH, THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE TOWER, OF COURSE, UH, DOES NOT MEET THIS ON THE FRONT PROPERTY FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE IS 195 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED TOWER.
AND THE, UM, WHICH IS THAT A BUDDING PROPERTY THERE WHERE THERE'S THE TRANSMISSION LINES AND ALSO THE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.
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UM, AND THEN FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, THE TOWER IS 317 FEET, UH, WHICH IS A DIFFERENCE OF 145 FEET.SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT, UM, IS ASKING THE BOARD, UH, TO APPROVE THOSE SETBACK WAIVERS, UM, IF THE TOWER, IF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED.
UH, WHEN WE TALK TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE ABOUT THE PROPOSED, UH, TOWER, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, UM, ANY REAL COMMENTS, UM, TO SHARE, UH, WITH YOU ALL, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED TOWER.
UH, TRANSPORTATION WISE, THERE YOU ARE, WOULD BE UTILIZING THE EXISTING ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY, UM, ON ELLINGTON ROAD.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE JUST, UH, WHEN STAFF WAS DISCUSSING THE, UH, TOWER REPLACEMENT AND RELOCATION DECISIONS WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, WE DID ASK, UH, WHY CAN'T DOMINION PLACE THE NEW TOWER AT THE SAME LOCATION AS THE EXISTING GUIDE TOWER, UM, TO THE REAR OF THE SUBSTATION? AND, UH, THEY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION, UH, WHY IS DOMINION REPLACING BOTH EXISTING TOWERS? WE ALSO ASKED WHY IS CO-LOCATION, UM, NOT PERMITTED? AND, UM, AND THEN DOMINION ALSO, I'M, I'M SORRY, DOMINION'S AGENT ALSO HIGHLIGHTED, UH, WHAT ARE THE KEY REASONS FOR SELECTING THE PROVOST TOWER LOCATION? UH, AND THEY INDICATED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL SITE SPECIFIC FACTORS INFLUENCING THEIR DECISION, UH, ON THE NEW TOWERS LOCATION, THAT BEING OWNERSHIP AND ACCESSIBILITY.
THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS WITHIN THE DOMINION OWNED PROPERTY, UM, ELIMINATING ANY LEASE RELATED COSTS, ENVIRONMENTAL AND SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS.
THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SUBSTATION CONSISTS OF WETLANDS, WHICH ARE UNSUITABLE FOR TOWER CONSTRUCTION.
THE WEST SIDE IS OCCUPIED BY HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINES, POSING SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED TOWER.
AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO A RAILROAD EASEMENT, WE'RE INSTALLING AND MAINTAINING A TOWER WOULD BE IMPRACTICAL AND HAZARDOUS.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO DISCUSS THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND OPERATION, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY.
THE SELECTED LOCATION IS ADJACENT TO THE SUBSTATION, ALLOWING EASIER INTEGRATION WITH EXISTING ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALSO IT PROVIDES ACCESS TO EXISTING DOMINION ENERGY, FIBER OPTIC CABLE LINES THAT ARE ON THE, UH, SUBSTATION.
UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING, UM, STAFF DID REVIEW THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, WE FELT LIKE THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED TOWER WOULD BE MINIMAL, GIVEN THAT THE PROPOSED TOWER WILL NOT HAVE DIRECT EFFECTS ON PUBLIC UTILITIES.
THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, PUBLIC SAFETY SCHOOLS, WATER QUALITY, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OF ADEQUATE ACREAGE AND THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE TOWER WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT SURROUNDING LAND USES AND THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE TOWER CONFORMS WITH THE GOALS OF THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA SET FORTH IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN OUR STAFF REPORT AND WE HAVE YOUR, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO MAKE THIS EVENING, UH, THE STATEMENTS FOR MAKING THAT, THAT RESOLUTION TO THE BOARD.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE OUTLINING OUR STAFF REPORT.
BE GLAD TO HEAR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.
AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT'S AGENT IS HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BARRETT? MR. BASSETT? EXCUSE ME.
I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY IN YOUR, UM, REPORT ON QUESTION FOUR IN THE BULLETS THERE, UNDER YES, ENVIRONMENTAL AND SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EAST SIDE WITH A RAILROAD EASEMENT.
I'M GUESSING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY, THE RAILROAD COMPANY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN EASEMENT ON DOMINION PROPERTY, DO THEY? RIGHT? NO.
YOU'RE CORRECT THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
I JUST WANTED TO CHECK YEAH, SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY THERE.
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MR. CHAIR.MR. BASSETT, AND MY APOLOGIES THIS AFTERNOON GOT BUSY AND YOU IN A MEETING AND I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK YOU THIS IF, IF YOU WOULD BE OKAY.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE PUT A SEVENTH CONDITION THAT TALKS ABOUT THE BOARD APPROVAL FOR THE SETBACK.
I MEAN, NOT TO REDUCE THE SETBACK, NOR IS THE APPLICANT ATTAIN APPROVAL FOR THE, FROM THE BOARD TO REDUCE THE STANDARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S KIND OF A GIVEN, BUT YEAH, MIGHT BE GOOD THAT IT'S ADDED.
I WON'T, I, I'LL REPEAT IT LATER IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE ME TO.
BUT TO ADD, AS A NUMBER SEVEN CONDITION, THE APPLICANT OBTAINS APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO REDUCE THE STANDARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
SO JUST TO HAVE THAT IN THERE, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR.
UH, MY NAME IS HAROLD TIMMONS.
I'M WITH TOWER ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF DOMINION ENERGY, VIRGINIA ELECTRIC AND POWER.
AND, UM, WE'VE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE STAFF REPORT.
WE FIND IT TO BE A VERY THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF OUR PROJECT.
UM, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ALONG WITH THE SEVENTH CONDITION THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.
UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO THANK STAFF FOR ITS COOPERATION AND GUIDANCE, UH, IN HELPING US THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UM, THE STAFF REPORT EXPLAINS OUR PROPOSAL IN VERY THOROUGH AND DETAILED MANNER, SO I WON'T WASTE ANY OF YOUR TIME REPEATING ANY OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.
BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, FILL IN ANY GAPS IN INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OR MIGHT NEED, AND ASSIST YOU IN ANY WAY THAT I POSSIBLY CAN IN HELPING YOU MAKE A FAIR AND BALANCED DECISION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, THANK YOU SIR.
I GUESS WE'RE TO THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS AND I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S AT LEAST ONE PERSON SIGNED UP FOR THAT.
SO, UM, I GUESS WE'LL START WITH THE PERSON WHO SIGNED UP.
UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AGAIN AND, UM, ANY COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND UH, I OWN THE LAND ON THE WEST AND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPOSED TOWER.
UH, THERE'S A SETBACK DISTANCE, UH, UH, 110% OF THE HEIGHT OF THE TIRE, BUT YET THE TIRE'S GONNA HIT THE PROPERTY LINE AT 195 FOOT, SO IT'S GONNA FALL 229 FOOT INTO MY FIELD.
UM, AND THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING A DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE FIELD THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY TOOTH TO THE SPOT OF THE TOWER INSTEAD OF USING THE DRIVEWAY AS DESCRIBED IN THE PAPERWORK.
UH, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 FOOT IS ONE THING, BUT IT'S GONNA BE 229 FOOT OUT INTO THE FIELD IF IT FALLS.
AND IF IT FALLS ACROSS ELLINGTON ROAD, IT'S GONNA BE OVER A HUNDRED FOOT ACROSS THE ROAD.
UM, AND UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WAY MORE OUTSIDE THE 110% OF THE SETBACK DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IF YOU FIGURE THE ARC IN THERE WITH THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE 2.82 ACRES OF LAND.
IT COULD POSSIBLY FALL ON MY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, TO ME THAT'S A BIT BIT EXCESSIVE, UH, FOR THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I OWN THE LAND ON THE WEST AND NORTH SIDE, BUT UH, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
AND, UH, THE FIBER OPTIC CABLE ACTUALLY RUNS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SUBSTATION AND THE BROADBAND CABLE THAT THEY JUST RAN AND GOES ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE 22 OR 25 ACRES, WHATEVER THEY HAD TO THE MAIN SUBSTATION AND THE 12 ACRES THEY GOT WITH THE EXISTING TOWER THERE ALREADY NOW.
AND, UM, IN THE PAPERWORK I READ, UH, LIKE MR. BASSETT DESCRIBED, IT SAYS REMOVING THE BOTH TOWERS, THE 400 FOOT TIRE AND THE 220 FOOT TIRE, BUT IN THE APPLICATION, IF I READ IT RIGHT, RIGHT, YOU'D ONLY LIST IT REMOVING THE, UH, 200 FOOT TOWER.
SO WHY IS THAT? AND UM, BUT THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, TO ME, 229 FEET OUT INTO THE FIELD IS A LOT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2.82 ACRES ONCE I RAN INTO THE CAD TO GET THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS OF IT AND ALL.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE MAP UP OR THE PHOTO
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UP IN FRONT OF ME EITHER, BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE SETBACK OR YOU HAVE A CONCERN WITH AN ENCROACHMENT? I GUESS BOTH.'CAUSE WHAT IF I WANT TO USE THAT FOR A BUILDING LOT IN THE FUTURE, ARE THEY GONNA MOVE THE TOWER OR DO I PUT THE HOUSE WITHIN THE FALLING DISTANCE OF THE TOWER? YEAH, SO AGAIN, I ASKED THE QUESTION AND I I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT, THAT AS MR. BASSETT EXPLAINED THE SETBACKS YEAH.
AND THE FACT THAT, UM, THEY DIDN'T MEET THE SETBACKS THAT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE AND THEREFORE THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE BOARD FOR THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU SPOKE, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.
IF YOU, IF YOU'RE SAYING THE GUY IS ACTUALLY ENCROACHING ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PLACE THE TIRE IS 195 FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S A 424 FOOT TALL TIRE WITH THE FOUR FOOT ANTENNA.
SO THAT'S THE SETBACK TO 195 FEET, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE AND MY PROPERTY LINE TO THEIR TOWER.
THEIR TIRE IS GONNA BE 195 FOOT THIS WAY.
EVERYTHING FROM THIS WAY OVER 229 FOOT IS MINE.
AND IF IT FALLS, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
SO IT'S A SETBACK THAT YOU HAVE THE CONCERN WITH THEN THAT'S PART OF THE CONCERN TOO.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN SAY, AND OF COURSE THEY'VE SHOWED ON THE MAPS HOW THEY'RE ACCESSING OFF THEIR DRIVEWAY, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE COMING ACROSS ANOTHER DRIVEWAY OF MINE AND GOING ACROSS THE BACK OF A FIELD TO GET THERE.
THEY HAVEN'T EVEN FIXED THE DRIVEWAY YET THAT I COULD SEE.
SO DO YOU HAVE AN, DO THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT ACROSS YOU NOW? I DON'T KNOW IF THE EASEMENT THERE OR NOT.
SEE, THEY, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE 500 K LINES.
BUT SEE OUT FRONT IT'S 12 ACRES.
THERE'S NO 1200 K, NO 500 K LINES ON, IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR FARTHER IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT SEE, I, I OWN EVERYTHING ON, ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE NORTH SIDE.
IT'S LIKE A J SHAPE TO HIT THE RAILROAD TRACKS IN ELLINGTON ROAD AND ALL.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, 20 OR 30 FOOT'S ONE THING, BUT NOT 229 FOOT ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S A BIT EXCESSIVE IF YOU ASK ME.
AND UH, AND SEE BEFORE THEY CAME IN AND TOOK DOWN FOUR, I MEAN TWO OF THESE 500 K TOWERS, EACH ONE OF 'EM HAD FOUR FOUNDATIONS AND THEY REBUILT PEDESTAL TYPE TOWERS THERE.
BUT HE LEFT ALL THE FOUNDATIONS IN THE GROUND.
AND I ASKED, UM, I THINK THERE WAS A SUPERINTENDENT ENGINEER, I GOT HIS NAME, BUT UH, I SAID, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE IN A HUNDRED YEARS FOR THESE FOUNDATIONS IN THE GROUND? AND UH, HE SAID, WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
I SAID, WELL HOW DEEP ARE THEY? HE SAID THEY'RE ANYWHERE FROM 80 TO 120 FOOT IN THE GROUND.
SO I SAID, IN A HUNDRED YEARS, DOMINION POWER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE.
HE SAID, NO, WE WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK A COMPANY WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
OF COURSE THEY HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY THERE, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
YOU KNOW, IT'S UNDER THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT WHAT IF THAT THINGS ARE ISSUES? I MEAN, MOST WELLS AROUND A 30 OR 40 FOOT DEEP IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUNDATIONS, YOU KNOW, 80 TO 120 FOOT AND EACH ONE IS, IS UH, I BEAMS AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP DRIVING 'EM AND WELD 'EM.
BUT EACH FOUNDATION, I THINK THEY HAVE FOUR PER FOUNDATION, IT'S EIGHT OF 'EM.
SO THAT WOULD BE 32, YOU KNOW, BEAMS DOWN THERE.
WHAT IF IT CAUSES AN ISSUE IN A FUTURE? DOMINION SAYS THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, I HAD TO GET 'EM TO COME BACK AND CUT 'EM BELOW GROUND BETTER THAN WHAT THEY WERE.
I HAD TO MAKE A COMPLAINT WITH THE SCC.
AND UH, OF COURSE ONCE YOU COMPLAIN TO THEM THE NEXT DAY, YOU'VE GOT SEVEN TRUCKS OUT THERE.
AND THEY'RE COMPLAINING TO ME THAT I CALLED, BUT NONE OF THEM WOULD SHOW UP.
NOW ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR SIR? SIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO IS THIS AFFECTING ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE GROWING ON YOUR PROPERTY? NOT AT THE MOMENT, BUT SEE IT COULD SEE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE STRAWBERRY PATCH DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS UNSIGHTLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN.
PLUS IT IS ONE 500 K LINE THAT GOES ACROSS THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PICK STRAWBERRIES UNDER IT BECAUSE THEY'RE ON OUR POWER LINE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT THAT'S GONNA ADD AN EXTRA TIRE.
THAT'S MY ISSUE ABOUT IN THE FIRST PART OF THE STUFF I GOT FROM MR. BASSETT, IT READS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE 220 FOOT TIRE AND THE 400 FOOT TIRE.
BUT I MIGHT HAVE READ IT WRONG, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
NOW, IN THE APPLICATION PART, IT ONLY LISTED 200 FOOT TOWER FOR REMOVAL.
SO IT'S KIND OF, TO ME IT'S MISLEADING IF YOU GOT BOTH OF THEM LISTED ON THE FRONT PART.
BUT IN THE APPLICATION YOU ONLY GOT REMOVED INTO 200, 200 FOOT TOWER.
AND YEARS AGO THEY TOLD ME THEY HADN'T, I GUESS IT WAS 2014, THEY TOLD ME THEY DON'T EVEN USE THE 200 FOOT TIRE, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT SOMEBODY TOLD ME.
I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO IT HADN'T BEEN USED IN YEARS AND UH, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, WORRIED ABOUT TERRORIST ATTACK AND ALL THAT STUFF THERE BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR INSTALLATION ON THE EAST COAST.
SO YOU OWNED THE PRODUCE CENTER.
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SO THAT LINE, OKAY, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.SO THAT LINE GOES RIGHT ACROSS THE TOP OF WHERE YOU ARE GROWING YOUR PRODUCE? YES, THAT'S THE ONE THAT GOES TO THE EAST.
SEE, IT'S, UH, IT'S ONE GOES TO THE EAST, ONE KIND OF GOES SOUTHEAST AND IT'S FOUR I THINK, TO COME IN FROM THE WEST SIDE.
AND THAT CROSSED THE FIELD WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO.
BUT IT'S, THIS IS IN A DIFFERENT SPOT.
THE 500 K LINES ARE ACTUALLY FARTHER NORTH.
IT'S NOT LIKE RIGHT THERE WHERE THOSE ARE.
BUT THIS, THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
THIS TOWER WHERE IT'S SITTING, IF IT FALLS TO THE NORTH, IT'S GONNA FALL ACROSS SOME OF THEIR 500 K LINES ALREADY GOING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, AND UH, THAT'S THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IF IT FALLS OR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, YEARS AGO THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT A TERRORIST ATTACKING.
I SAID, YOU GOT A PRIME THING RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, WITH A 200 FOOT TOWER.
THE GUY SAID, YEAH, THEY KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, TO GET IT DOWN, THEY GOTTA PIECE IT DOWN IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME BECAUSE THEY BUILT EVERYTHING ALL AROUND THE 200 FOOT TOWER.
SO THEY CAN'T REALLY GET IN THERE TO GET TO IT UNLESS THEY TAKE IT DOWN PIECE BY PIECE.
SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS A ALTERNATIVE TO, WELL, I'M NOT MAKING EVERYBODY, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL BY ANY MEANS.
I MEAN, BUT I JUST WHAT WOULD SATISFY YOU? UM, WHAT WOULD SAT TO ME THEY SHOULD USE, THEY, THEY GOT A 400 FOOT TIRE THERE ALREADY SITTING ON THE 400 FOOT TIRE THEY GOT NOW ALREADY SITTING ON 12 ACRES IS A SEPARATE TRACK OF LAND FROM THE SUBSTATION, WHICH IS ON 25 ACRES I THINK RIGHT HERE.
IF, IF THEY WANT TAKE IT DOWN ANYHOW, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE IT DOWN AND PUT THE TOWER THERE, 400 FOOT RIGHT THERE.
AND HE'S SAYING WHY WOULDN'T THEY PUT IT THERE INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT UP INTO SOME, SEE THEY, THAT'S WHAT, BEFORE I BOUGHT THE LAND, I KNEW THE GUY THAT OWNED THE LAND AND I THINK IT WAS IN 86, THEY ACQUIRED THE LAND FOR THE 400 FOOT TOWER AND THAT THAT'S A GUIDEWIRE TIRE THEY GOT THERE.
NOW IF THEY GONNA TAKE IT DOWN, WHY DON'T THEY TAKE THAT ONE DOWN AND PUT THE FREESTANDING ONE RIGHT THERE AT THE SAME PLACE.
YEAH, I MEAN THEY GOT, THEY HAVE OTHER OP YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS, WHICH OF COURSE I'M SURE YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL USE THAT ONE OR NOT.
I KNOW THEY'D GROWN UP ALL AROUND IT FOR YEARS AND A COUPLE YEARS AGO THEY CAME AND CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN AND THEY HAD PEOPLE IN THERE WORKING ON G WIRES.
THAT'S A GUIDEWIRE TIRE THERE NOT A FREE STANDING.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT, I GUESS NOW'S THE PROPER TIME UNDERSTANDING.
YOUR CONCERN IS IF THE TOWER FALLS IN THE STAFF REPORT, I READ THAT THE TOWER IS DESIGNED WITH A ZERO FALL RADIUS, SO IT'S ENGINEERED TO COLLAPSE WITHIN ITS OWN FOOTPRINT.
SO IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY, IF IT SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN AND IT DOES COLLAPSE, IT'S GONNA FALL STRAIGHT DOWN.
IT'S NOT GONNA TIP OVER LIKE A TREE.
HOW MANY TIMES THEY HAD THAT, HAVE THEY HAD THAT HAPPEN FOR ONE TO FALL STRAIGHT DOWN? I, I MEAN I CAN'T ANSWER THAT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF, IF WHAT'S SAYING IS ACCURATE, IT'S ENGINEERED TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN.
I I'M NOT, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER BUT YOU KNOW.
YEAH, IT SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER BUT RIGHT.
LIKE I SAID, MY WHOLE CONCERN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID IN 2014, THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED WITH TERRORIST ATTACK THERE BECAUSE THE PHONE GROWN TERRORIST THINGS IN THAT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA.
WHAT, WHAT MORE PRIME CANDIDATE FOR A DRONE AND A SOMEBODY WITH A VENDETTA OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? SURE.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S SUPPOSEDLY ONE OF THE SEVEN MAJOR INSTALLATIONS ON THE EAST COAST.
I GOT ONE QUICK, DID THEY EVER COME SAY ANYTHING TO YOU? NOT REALLY.
I HAD TO GO FIND LIKE ANSWERS FOR MYSELF BECAUSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, BUT NOBODY CAME TO YOU AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO THIS.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE IN THERE BACK IN THE SUMMERTIME.
THEY WENT ACROSS THE BACK END OF A LITTLE FIELD ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY GOING IN THERE RIGHT TO THE BIG FIELD.
AND UH, THEY WERE CUTTING TREES IN THE AIR FORCE.
THE PROPERTY LINE IS AT THE EDGE OF THE FIELD, SO THEY JUST DROVE ACROSS THE BACK OF THE FIELD, WHICH IS NOT A BIG DEAL.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEY WERE IN THIS SAWING TREES, WHATEVER.
AND THEN ON ANOTHER OCCASION I COME DOWN THE ROAD AND THERE WAS A DOMINION ABOUT POWER TRUCK THERE AND SOME KIND OF CONTRACTOR AND THEY HAD A LITTLE BALLOON PUTTING HE UP, GOING UP IN MY DRIVEWAY.
SO I ASKED 'EM WHAT WERE THEY DOING AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GETTING READY TO PUT LOOK BACK, UH, CHECKING BACK HISTORICAL STUFF ABOUT HOW FAR IT CAN BE SEEN FROM DIFFERENT SITES.
SO THEY PUT A BALLOON UP IN THE AIR.
BUT I TOLD 'EM THEY'RE IN THE WRONG SPOT.
I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, FROM WHAT THEY DESCRIBED THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 300 FOOT AWAY FROM WHERE THEY NEEDED TO BE, BUT THEY SAID THEY WERE MOVED.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW YOU'RE HERE, YOU GOT IT HALFWAY UP IN THE AIR, YOU MIGHT AS WELL GO KEEP ON GOING.
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DRIVEWAY.BUT IF WEREN'T FOR THAT, I REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ANYTHING AHEAD OF TIME.
AND THE DOMINION POWER GUY, HE WASN'T VERY FORTHCOMING WITH INFORMATION.
IT'S LIKE IT WAS A, A BIG DEAL OR SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I WAS BUSY IN A HURRY.
'CAUSE THEY SAID HE WON'T BE THERE FOR A COUPLE HOURS AND I KNOW YOU COULD SEE IT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT FROM A DISTANCE.
BUT THEY WENT AND TOOK PICTURES I ASSUME AROUND 'CAUSE I SAW THAT IN THE PAPERWORK AND ALL.
BUT THEY WERE, THE PICTURE TAKER WAS VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DID FOR IT TO NOT TO BE SEEN FROM THE ANGLES OF THE PICTURE THEY TOOK.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU COULD SLIDE OVER A LITTLE BIT FROM WHERE THE PICTURES ARE.
YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN THE PICTURES THEY SHOWED.
THAT'S GOOD PHOTOGRAPHY FOR DOMINION POWER.
AND YOU KNOW, PART OF THE GAME.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. ADAMS, BUT PROBABLY A MR. BASSETT QUESTION.
'CAUSE I THINK YOU DID BRING UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT, UM, THE DISTANCE TO ANY STRUCTURES.
SO IF HE DID DECIDE AT SOME POINT HE WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING ON THAT LAND, WOULD HE BE THEN RESTRICTED TO WHAT HE COULD DO TO MEET THAT SETBACK? NO, HE WOULD KNOW, NOT HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS RELATED TO THE TOWER BEING THERE.
HE WOULD JUST HAVE TO MEET AS NORMAL, UH, SETBACKS, WHICH WOULD BE 35 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE FALL DISTANCE.
UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SELF COLLAPSING SO I NEVER HEARD OF ONE WORKING, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT.
LIKE I SAID, THAT BRINGS THE WHOLE TERRORIST THING THEY HAD BACK IN 2014.
I MEAN, GO OVER THERE ONE MORNING, IT'S 16 ST.
THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, FOR REASONS I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T LET ME KNOW ALL OF THEM.
AND, UH, ALRIGHT, ANY, ANY LAST QUESTIONS? SO THANK YOU SIR.
AND, UH, GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS, I THINK WHAT ARE QUITE A FEW COMMENTS MADE THERE.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE TOWER AND THIS FALL RADIUS, UM, IT IS CORRECT IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE TOWER IS DESIGNED WITH THE ZERO FALL RADIUS, WHICH MEANS IT WILL COLLAPSE UPON ITSELF.
IT WILL BE WITHIN MORE THAN LIKELY THE 100 BY 100 COMPOUND OR LEASE AREA THAT IT HAS AT ITS BASE.
SO BEING 195 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THERE SHOULD BE NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER OF THAT TOWER OF BEING ANYWHERE NEAR THAT PROPERTY LINE SHOULD IN THE EVENT OF A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE, IT WERE TO FAIL.
AS THE GENTLEMAN'S INDICATED, HE QUESTIONED WHETHER OR NOT ANY HAVE EVER FALLEN OR IF THAT THEORY OF, OF ENGINEERING DESIGN IS AN ACCURATE ONE.
AND I'VE BEEN IN THE, THE TOWER INDUSTRY FOR MANY YEARS AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ONE OF THEM FAIL JUST YET, QUITE FRANKLY.
SO REALLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A TESTAMENT TO THE ENGINEERING.
UM, SECONDLY, THE ONLY TOWERS THAT ARE BUILT THAT FALL LIKE TREES ARE GUIDEWIRE STRUCTURES, WHICH IS LIKE THE 400 FOOT STRUCTURE TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS GOING TO BE REMOVED.
AND WE DID MENTION IN OUR APPLICATION AND OUR NARRATIVE INFORMATION THAT THIS PROJECT INVOLVED THE REPLACEMENT, THE REMOVAL OF TWO TOWERS AND THE ADDITION OF ONE TOWER.
SO THE, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE GUIDEWIRE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE REMOVED, THE 200 FOOT STRUCTURE WITHIN THE, UM, LEAK, THE, UH, SUBSTATION IS GOING TO BE REMOVED AND THEY WILL BE REPLACED WITH THE 420 SELF-SUPPORTING STRUCTURE THAT HAS A ZERO FALL RADIUS IN CASE OF A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE.
YOU Y'ALL WILLING TO GIVE HIM A LETTER GUARANTEEING THAT WE FILED A, UM, FALL ZONE LETTER, I BELIEVE IN OUR APPLICATION THAT'S CERTIFIED BY ENGINEERS.
HE COULD GET A COPY OF THAT, THAT WOULD SERVE THAT, THAT PURPOSE.
BECAUSE THE ENGINEER, THAT'S NOT A GUARANTEE.
THAT'S JUST TELLING YOU AN ENGINEER SAID, WELL THAT'S BEST, THAT'S THE BEST GUARANTEE WE CAN GET BECAUSE THE ENGINEER HAS PUT HIS SEAL ON THAT, HE'S PUT HIS LICENSE ON THAT.
SO HOW, JUST LIKE THINKING TIMELINE, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME.
THIS SOUNDS LIKE A FAIRLY, MAYBE FAIRLY NEW TYPE OF TOWER? NO, THE, THE LADDER STRUCTURES, THE GUIDE STRUCTURES AND THE LATTICE STRUCTURES ARE PROBABLY SOME OF THE OLDEST DESIGNS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, THE LATTICE STRUCTURES, UM, TEND TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOST WEIGHT OF EQUIPMENT,
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UH, OF ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES.UM, ONLY CERTAIN TYPES OR ALLOWED TO GO TO THE HEIGHT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
THAT IS A GUIDE AND THAT IS A LATTICE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE LATTICE IS BEING PROPOSED.
SO IS THE ONLY REASON THAT YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT WHERE OR IN THE AREA THAT THE 400 FOOT TOWER IS, IS JUST FOR CONVENIENCE FOR Y'ALL? NO, UH, AS, AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT SAYS FOR CONVENIENCE AND MONEY REASONS, WE PROVIDED AN EXPLANATION.
IN THE STAFF REPORT IT SAYS CONVENIENCE THAT SAYS AND DOLLAR AMOUNT, WE PUT IT NEAR THE, TO LESSEN COST OF CREATING A PHYSICALLY DIVERSE FIBER CON CONNECTION WITH THE SUBSTATION TO THE NEW TOWER AND TO BE CLOSE TO THE POWER SOURCE.
THOSE ARE ALL VALID ENGINEERING REASONS.
UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT FIBER INSTALLATIONS ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF FIVE TO $10 A FOOT, UH, IT CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO RUN IT ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, BACK THERE.
PLUS WE WOULD HAVE TO CROSS SOME WETLANDS TO GET TO IT.
COST, COST, IT'S ALL ABOUT COST.
EVERY BUSINESS HAS TO DO WITH FACTORS.
NO, I THINK I, 'CAUSE Y'ALL SAID YOU COULD PUT IT BACK THERE, BUT IT COSTS MORE TO DO SO.
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER FACTORS IN PLA IN WHY WE PLACE THAT THERE AS WELL.
SO CONVENIENCE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, YOU'RE WORKING FOR THE PERSON WHO WANTS THE COST EFFECTIVE WAY AND NOT THE ONE THAT DOESN'T WANT THAT
I THINK THAT WANTS IT TO BE MORE SAFE FOR EVERYBODY.
I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT MOST BUSINESSES OPERATE AND TRY TO OPERATE, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IS, IS ON COST, BUT SOMETIMES THEIR SAVING OF COST DOESN'T OVERRIDE THE REST OF THE PEOPLE.
WELL THIS, THE, THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT DOES NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE AREA.
IT'S NOT GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE AREA.
IN FACT, IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE DOMINION'S COMMUNICATIONS ABILITIES WITH THEIR MAINTENANCE CREWS.
SO IN THE INSTANCE OF ANY, ANY, UH, POWER FAILURES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BETTER COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR MAINTENANCE CREWS.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT IS A POSITIVE NOT ONLY FOR THIS GENERAL AREA, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, ENTIRE COUNTY.
UH, BECAUSE DOMINION IS BEING A RESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNER.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR FACILITIES AND THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, LET'S DO SOMETHING TO IMPROVE IT SO THAT WE CAN IMPROVE OUR COMMUNICATION.
WE APPROVE COMMUNICATIONS, WE APPROVE OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THE CITIZENS.
EVERY, EVERY ONE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS COULD JUST AS EASILY BE DONE IN THE CURRENT LOCATION.
COULD IT NOT WITHIN THE, WELL THE CURRENT LOCATION IT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS OUTSIDE OF THE SUBSTATION.
AND THERE ARE REASONS FOR MOVING IT FROM INSIDE THE SUBSTATION TO OUTSIDE THE SUBSTATION.
FOR ONE, THE BIGGER STRUCTURE HAS A LARGER BASE, SO WE WOULD NEED MORE SPACE WITHIN THE, THE SUBSTATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
SO BY PLACING IT OUTSIDE, THAT'S GONNA FREE UP SPACE WITHIN THE SUB SUBSTATION FOR THAT ALLOWED DOMINION TO BE ABLE TO MORE EFFECTIVELY UTILIZE THE SPACE WITHIN THE SUBSTATION.
SO JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, WHICH PARCEL IS THE CURRENT GUIDE, UH, LOCATION AT THAT'S ON THOSE, UM, SEPARATE PARTS, I BELIEVE TO THE VERY REAR.
YEAH, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO READ FROM THERE.
YEAH, I CAN SEE IT ON MY SCREEN, BUT THAT, YEAH, IT'S, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 49 DASH 31 BRAVO? YES, THAT'S IT, MR. HAYES.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS REALLY MY BASIS.
ALL EVERYTHING YOU TALKED ABOUT WITH THE COMMUNICATION, I THOUGHT I WAS SPECULATING THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE JUST, UH, ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS YOU JUST SPOKE OF, WHICH ARE GREAT.
COULD BE FROM THE EXISTING GUIDE LOCATION ON 39 BRAVO.
AND IT'S NOT A CONFLICT WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, ANY, ANYTHING WITH THE SUBSTATION WHATSOEVER.
IS IT, I MEAN THAT'S TRUE AS, AS WE STATED IN THE RESPONSE THAT THE INSTALLING NEW TOWER OF THE GUY LOCATION IS AN OPTION.
BUT WHEN THEY EVALUATE IT BEING CLOSE TO THE POWER SOURCE AND NOT HAVING TO RUN FIBER, UNDERSTOOD.
YOU KNOW, THAT DISTANCE, UH, WAS, IS A FEASIBLE ECONOMIC DECISION THAT ALL COMPANIES AND BUSINESSES HAVE TO ENCOUNTER AND HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA DEAL WITH IT.
I THINK MR. TIMMA IS RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
IT COST IS A FACTOR, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY FACTOR.
I HAD SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I WANT TO ASK WELL, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE? NO, I, NO, I DON'T, I HAD A COUPLE FOLLOW US, BUT I WANTED TO GO Y'ALL FIRST.
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ABOUT EGRESS AND ACT.UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE, UH, THAT YOUR, UM, CLIENT WAS, UH, DURING OPERATIONS WAS, UH, ENCROACHING MR. ADAM'S PROPERTY.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT.
UH, ACTUALLY I CAN'T ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A PART OF THE OPERATIONS AND WHAT THEY DID OR, OR DIDN'T DO.
WHAT, WHETHER THEY ACCESS VIA AN EASEMENT OR RIGHT OF WAY.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT.
ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE A THE INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THIS PROPOSAL, THAT IS BEFORE YOU WILL COME OFF OF ELLERTON ROAD AND GO DIRECT THEM TO THE COMPOUND.
THAT IS THE ONLY, AND THAT'S AN EXISTING, YOU KNOW, ACCESS DRIVE THAT THEY HAVE.
'CAUSE I WAS OUT THERE EARLIER TODAY, UM, LOOKING AT IT.
AND, AND SO ONE OTHER ITEM HERE I GUESS WAS ATTRIBUTED TO YOU WITH THE, UH, QUESTION ABOUT CO-LOCATION THAT MR. BASSES, UM, SPOKE ABOUT.
I INTERPRETED THAT AS, YOU KNOW, YOUR CLIENT LEAVES THE OPTION OPEN FOR CO-LOCATION, YOU KNOW, BLAH, BLAH BLAH.
AND IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, JUST DEAL WITH IT WHEN IT COMES UP AND SECURITY ISSUES AND SO FORTH.
BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A, UM, AND, AND THE STAFF, UH, LIKE, WELL NOT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT JUST IN Y'ALLS, UM, INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS, WAS THERE A NEED FOR COUNTY, UH, CO-LOCATION OR NOT? NO.
AS FLAT AS THAT PART OF THE COUNTY IS 400 FEET OUGHT TO GO A LONG WAY IS THE REASON I ASKED.
SO THAT ANSWERS MY CO-LOCATION QUESTION.
SO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY, I THINK CONDITION TWO KIND OF ADDRESSES THAT CONCERN THAT YOU HAD.
YEAH, I JUST, I WAS CURIOUS THAT, THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT FOLKS KNEW ABOUT RIGHT NOW THAT OUGHT TO BE, I GUESS MORE SPEC MORE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED AS A CONDITION.
IS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT, BUT UNDERSTOOD.
UM, YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LISTEN TO THE APPLICANT AND HIS RESPONSE TO MR. ADAMS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, LIKE PARTICULARLY THE STAFF AT THIS POINT? HAVE Y'ALL SEEN A LOT OF THIS BEFORE? UM, NO.
MOST OF 'EM HAVE BEEN, UH, THE 1 99 OR LESS.
THERE IS ONE ON HALIFAX ROAD WHERE THE, UM, ROAD GOES INTO RICHARD BLAND COLLEGE AND THERE WAS THE PAUSE AND CLAUSE VETERINARY CLINIC.
THAT WAS ERECTED WHERE THE BOARD DID APPROVE, UM, SETBACK WAIVERS FOR THAT TOWER.
IT'S ADJACENT TO, UH, THE STATE POLICE TOWER THAT'S THERE AS WELL.
MR. BAHA'S PROPERTY, THEY DID APPROVE IT.
UH, NEW BILL TOWER THERE WITH SETBACK VARIANCES.
WHAT KIND OF VARIANCES WERE THEY? I MEAN, WOULD IT STILL FALL WITHIN IF IT FELL SIDEWAYS? WOULD IT STILL FALL WITHIN THE PROPERTY OR? NO, IT'S PROBABLY 20 FEET FROM THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY LINES.
AND IN, IN GENERAL, I WOULD SAY IT'S MUCH TIGHTER THAN YEAH.
50 FEET FROM THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY.
I MEAN, I, I JUST KNOW THAT EI HAD, I DID NOT LISTEN TO THAT WHEN I PROBABLY WASN'T ON THE BOARD AT THAT TIME.
BUT I HAVE NEVER GIVEN A WAIVER TO ANY CELL TOWER OR ANYTHING.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE LOOK TO DO THAT.
UH, I JUST, IT'S ODD THAT THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT THERE THAT'S THERE THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THIS.
AND JUST OUT OF CONVENIENCE, THEY DON'T WANT TO USE THAT.
SO I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT COMMENT.
I GUESS I, I WAS ON, I WAS HERE TONIGHT 'CAUSE I REMEMBER THAT'S HOW I KNEW IT WAS MR. BAHA'S PROPERTY.
BUT, UM, I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS THAT I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS OF IT.
SO I AM SURPRISED THAT ONLY THE BOARD CAN ADDRESS THAT AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY TAKE ACTION ON.
I GUESS I AM SURPRISED AT THAT JUST TO COMMENT.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE YEAH, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, ORDINANCE IS SET UP.
AND THEN, WELL, I WOULD THROW OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT OUR ROLE IS OFTEN THE ROLE OF DISCOVERY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REVISITED FOR THE BOARD'S BENEFIT.
UM, BUT TO THE OTHER POINT, IF, IF THE EXISTING
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49 DASH 31 BRAVO CAN SUPPORT A, THE TOWER OF THE SIZE ASKED FOR AND ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE SETBACKS AM AM I RIGHT? AM I CONNECTING THAT DOT CORRECTLY? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED.UM, IT, IT MAY FROM RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, THE 200% TOWER HEIGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR A SETBACK WAIVER FROM A PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE THERE ARE WETLANDS IN THAT AREA.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE STUDY DIDN'T STUDY THAT LOCATION.
SO I CAN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND FROM A, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CONSIDERING THAT SITE.
IF A WAIVER WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED, IF THEY BUILT ON THAT.
AND WHAT IS THE SPOT THAT THEY WANT ON THIS? WHERE, WHERE IS THE, THE ACTUAL DOT, THERE IS NO DOT ON THIS MAP THAT SHOWS THE TITLE.
LET ME, I I CAN ADVANCE THE SLIDE.
AND MR. CHAIR WHILE HE'S, WHILE HE'S DOING THIS, I WAS READING, DID YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, NO.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THEN BEING NONE? I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU FOR MY EGREGIOUS, UH, ADDRESSING MY EGREGIOUS ACT.
MR. TIMUS, DOES THAT HELP? YEAH, THAT HELPS.
I MEAN, I STILL WONDER WHY THEY COULDN'T PUT IT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SUBSTATION.
I MEAN, I, I MEAN ANYTHING TO KEEP IT FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU SEE HOW CLOSE HE'S SITTING RIGHT THERE? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE PREVIOUS DRAWING THAT ABOUT ALL THE WAY TO HALFWAY AT THE BACK OF THAT SUBSTATION, THEY OWNED THE LAND.
SO IF YOU WERE TO PUT IT NEAR TO THE, TO THE LINE OR SEE WHERE THAT KICKOUT IS ON THE SUBSTATION, THAT FENCE RIGHT.
PUT IT TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THAT YOU WOULD MEET ALL THE SIDE SET REQUIREMENTS AND ALL.
NOW IT MIGHT FALL ON THE RAILROAD TRACK, BUT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT FALLING ON ELLINGTON ROAD.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM TO HAVE IT THERE.
WELL, ONE THING I, I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF SOMETHING MR. BASS HAD SAID EARLIER TO ME WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SETBACKS, REALLY THE DRIVING PART OF THAT RESPONSE I THOUGHT WAS THAT MOVING IT THERE WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE SETBACK AS IT RELATES TO A STRUCTURE.
MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE LESS, I'M LOOKING AT THE, AT THAT DRAWING RIGHT THERE, AIR THE, I GUESS THE DOTTED LINE WOULD SEPARATE MR. ADAMS PROPERTY.
YOU MEAN THE, THE DOTTED LINE THAT'S JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE, UH, 2 0 1 DE BOOK REFERENCE? YES.
AND I, IF I WAS LOOKING AT THE PICTURE RIGHT, WELL THAT SUBSTATION SITS TO THE LEFT MORE THAN IT DOES TO THE, TO THE EAST.
IT SITS MORE TO THE WEST AND TO THE EAST AND TO THE NORTH.
SO IT WOULD BE IN THAT CORNER OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE SOMEWHERE CLOSER TO THAT PROPERTY LINE IN THE BACK WOULD BE A BETTER CHOICE OR WHERE THE GUIDE WIRE, SINCE THEY HAVE IT, I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE WHY THEY WANT TO PUT IT RIGHT THERE.
SO I, I GUESS A QUESTION I HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CONSIDER SOME OF THESE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING SAID OR, OR RATHER JUST GO WITH IT AND LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN.
WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR POSITION THAT, THAT YOU HAVE STATED ALREADY IN REGARDS TO THE LOCATION YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO TRY TO HELP, UH, BY ELIMINATING THE SETBACK ISSUE RELATIVE TO A RESIDENTIAL HOME? UM, WE DISCUSSED THE LOCATION OF THIS PARTICULAR TOWER, UM, AND DOMINION LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY AND FOUND THIS ONE TO BE THE, UM, BEST ONE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED.
UM, WE, REGARDING THE SUBSTATION POWER LINES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE,
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UM, NO, WE DON'T MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.UM, THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN CLAIMED THAT IT, THERE MIGHT BE A TOWER FALLING ON IT.
WE HAVE DESIGNED THE TOWER SO THAT IT HAS A ZERO FALL RADIUS.
SO THEREFORE WE ARE COMFORTABLE, VERY COMFORTABLE THAT THAT WOULD NEVER OCCUR.
SECONDLY, SHOULD IT, IF IT WERE TO OCCUR, DOMINION HAS SIGNIFICANT INSURANCE, THAT WOULD BE LIABILITY INSURANCE THAT WOULD COVER ANY DAMAGE WITH THAT.
BUT WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT A ZERO THAT THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED, THAT THAT WOULD NEVER OCCUR.
SO LONG BEFORE WE GOT TO THE POINT OF FILING THIS APPLICATION, WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIND A LOCATION THAT WOULD MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND SO AS A RESULT, THIS IS THE, THIS LOCATION IS THE RESULT OF A GREAT DEAL OF ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT PARCEL RIGHT THERE WHERE THE SUBSTATION IS LOCATED.
MR. BASSETT, COULD YOU PUT THE, UH, PARCEL OF THE MAP BACK UP THAT HAD THE PARCEL? SO AS A FOLLOW UP TO THE APPLICANT'S COMMENT, COULD YOU IDENTIFY WHICH PARCEL THE RESIDENCE IS ON? THAT'S IN QUESTION THAT REQUIRES THE SETBACK FROM THE RESIDENCE BE 62.
THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET THEN.
YEAH, THE, I JUST WANNA VERIFY THAT.
THE TWO THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF THAT.
YEAH, AND THAT GETS BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE CORNER THERE A LITTLE BIT.
SEE WHERE THEIR LINE COMES IN IN THE BACK ON THAT PICTURE? THEIR PROPERTY LINE? YEAH.
I MEAN IT'S STILL CONVENIENT TO THEIR SUBSTATION AND POWER.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT SOME MORE FIBER OPTIC IN.
YOU'RE TALKING ON THE NORTHWEST, IS THAT? YES.
AND IT WOULD BE SITTING ON 49, 31 B, BUT IT WOULD BE BACK AT THE CORNER OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I JUST WANTED THAT CLARITY FOR EVERYONE TO, TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST, I'M LOOKING AT THE TAX MAP.
UM, AND EVEN IF YOU DID PUT IT THERE AND IT FELL, IT WOULD STILL FALL ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY EVENTUALLY, BUT YEAH, I MEAN IT, WELL I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'D BE ANOTHER 200 FOOT TO THE EAST, WHICH IF YOU LISTEN TO MR. ADAMS, IT WAS 250 SOME FOOT THAT IT WOULD'VE FELL ON YOUR PROPERTY OR 260, I FORGET THE EXACT AMOUNT.
YOU SAID 229 FOOT 229, THEN IT WOULD ONLY FALL ON IT 29 FOOT.
NOW IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE YOU ABOUT THE SAME ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO THE BACK.
HE HAS NO PROPERTY THAT IT WOULD HURT ANYTHING.
IT WOULD FALL IN THE TREES IF IT WAS IN THERE.
IF IT WAS BACK IN THE BACK CORNER OF THAT SUBSTATION CLOSER TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE, IF THEY DID TO THE BACK ONE OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THE 12 AC TRAFFIC OUT THERE, IT FALLS, IT'D BE VERY LIMITED TO OVER, ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.
WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE LAND FOR THAT ONE, I THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, 86, I THINK THEY SAID THEY WANTED IT FELL TO NOT FALL.
THAT'S WHY THEY, THAT'S WHERE THEY GOT 12.
AND IF YOU FIGURE THE, UH, RADIUS OF IT, UH, OF THE TIRE, FOUR OH WHATEVER, IT'S THE TALL TIRES WOULD BE 12.9 ACRES OR SMALL RADI IN THE AREA.
BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF, IF YOU PUT IT IN THE CORNER OF 49 31 B AND WHERE 49 31 A INTERSECT, SEE IT AT THE NORTH AND ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THEIR PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT BLUE LINE, WHILE IT WOULD STILL POSSIBLY FALL ON YOU, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT DAILY OPERATION.
IF IT FELL ON YOU FROM THERE, IT WOULD JUST FALL ON TREES.
NO, BUT IT WOULD FALL ACROSS THE 500 TABLE THERE ON THE SIDE.
LET SEE IF PUT THE EXACT SAME SPOT AS AN EXISTING, IT WOULDN'T EVEN DO THAT ANY KIND OF WAY, BUT THE EXACT SAME SPOT AS EXISTING.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I, I GUESS I'LL
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JUST ADD ONE BEING THE ENGINEER HERE, NOT THAT I'M ANY GREAT EXPERT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND AND GENERALLY, UH, CONCUR WITH, UH, SELF, UH, YOU KNOW, SELF FALLING, UH, UH, STRUCTURE.IT'S NOT GONNA FALL COMPLETELY OVER, BUT THERE'S SET SETBACKS ARE THERE FOR A REASON IN TERMS OF, UH, A FACTOR OF SAFETY OR SOME AMOUNT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST COMFORT THERE FOR THAT AND HAVING THAT SETBACK ISSUE, WHILE IT'S NOT OUR IMMEDIATE DECISION SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THE BOARD ONLY DECISION TO WAIVE THE SETBACK GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE'S A OPTION HERE THAT IS AVAILABLE CONCERNS ME.
SO THAT'S MY REMAINING COMMENT.
I GUESS MAKE, ARE WE READY? I I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOU
I JUST GIVE YOU PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT YOU TRIAL BY FIRE HERE.
YOU LEARN AS IT GO AND THAT'S RIGHT.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY.
YOU GUYS ADDRESSED MOST OF IT.
THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
JUST BE GLAD IT WASN'T A SOLAR MEETING TO BE YOUR FIRST ONE.
AND I WOULD, UH, HE WAS TALKING WITH ME A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ADDING A EIGHTH CONDITION AND LOOK FOR, I'VE MADE THE SPEECH BEFORE AND THIS IS FOR YOU TOO, WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA VOTE FOR OR AGAINST THE REC, I MEAN FOR IT AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION.
YOU STILL NEED TO SET UP THE CONDITIONS LIKE YOU WANNA SEE THEM AS IF THE BOARD'S GOING TO APPROVE THAT.
SO WE, WE ALREADY HAVE A SEVENTH CONDITION THAT SPECIFIES, UM, UH, THAT YOU SPECIFIED EARLIER.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU HAD A SEVENTH CONDITION YOU, YOU ARTICULATED EARLIER, RIGHT? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? AND DO YOU HAVE AN EIGHTH ONE NOW? YES.
THE APPLICANT AND NUMBER SEVEN IS THE APPLICANT OBTAINS APPROVAL FOR, FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO REDUCE THE STANDARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR IT BE CONSTRUCTED.
AND MR. BASSI HAD, BASSETT HAD SUGGESTED, UM, AND THE APPLICANT PROBABLY SHOULD RESPOND TO THIS, IS THAT BOTH THE EXISTING TILES BE REMOVED IF Y'ALL SO DESIRE THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT IN THE CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW.
SO I GUESS FOR THE APPLICANT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE TWO, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, CONDITIONS THAT, THAT MR. DRURY HAS ARTICULATED? I DO.
WE AGREE TO THOSE TWO CONDITIONS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THEM.
SO WE HAVE EIGHT, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
WE HAVE THE SIX WRITTEN AND THE TWO THAT HAVE BEEN ARTICULATED, UM, BY MR. BREWERY.
THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN, IN WHATEVER MOTION YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE.
YOU ARE ON THE VERDICT COURT? NO, BUT OKAY, I'LL DO IT.
UH, BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 A THREE AND SEVEN AND ZONING ORDINANCE SECTIONS 22 DASH 22 AND 22 DASH TWO.
IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH ITS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST C DASH 26 DASH ONE AS PRESENTED, BE RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, UM, AS SET BY, UM, MR. DREWRY, UM, DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS THE ISSUANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTENT, PURPOSE, AND DESIGN OF THE DEWIN COUNTY ZONING CODE.
MR. DREWRY, ARE YOU OKAY WITH HOW, UH, THAT WAS ARTICULATED BY I'M, I'M FINE WITH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON HER MOTION.
SO WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO FOR FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE, I GUESS THIS IS INTENDED TO BE HEARD AT THE, UM, APRIL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING? YES.
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OKAY.UM, SO UNDER OLD BUSINESS, I'LL ASK, UH, OUR PLANNING STAFF, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR OLD BUSINESS? OH, YOU BACK? UM, NOTHING UNDER OLD BUSINESS.
MR. CHAIR? ANY, ANYONE? ANY COMMISSIONER? HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS? ALRIGHT, HOW ABOUT NEW BUSINESS, SIR? UH, NO NEW BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR.
AND ANY NEW BUSINESS FROM Y'ALL? ALRIGHT, SO, UH, ONWARD TO COMMISSIONER'S
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COMMENTS.ANY, ANYONE HAVE A COMMISSION COMMENT? WELCOME.
IT WAS, IT IS GOOD THAT WE WERE BACK IN FULL STRENGTH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KINDA LIKE WATCHING A HOCKEY GAME.
IT'S NICE TO BE BACK UP TO FULL STRENGTH.
ARE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT? AND I'LL JUST TACK GO AHEAD MR. CHAIR, PLEASE.
ALRIGHT, SO I GUESS I KNOW YOU'RE DONE, I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A TURN AT AT LOOKING AT THE CIP.
I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS, BUT THIS YEAR I'M, I'M ON THE CIP, UH, COMMITTEE AND, AND SO, UH, I'VE SPENT A FEW DAYS WITH THAT, UH, WAS INFORMED TODAY THAT, UM, THAT THEY'LL BE BROUGHT HERE FOR US TO VOTE ON IN, UM, IN, UH, OR ACTUALLY NOT A VOTE HERE.
IS IT, IT'S, UH, IT, IT IT'S JUST FOR PRESENTATION HERE, RIGHT? WELL, YOU DO, I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
TO THE BOARD ON THE C-I-P-I-I GUESS I GOT CONFUSED FOR THERE FOR A SECOND.
I THINK I HAVE A VOTE AS THE, ON THAT COMMITTEE TOO.
I SO WE'LL HAVE A VOTE WILL BE PRESENTED TO US AT OUR NEXT, UH, COMMISSION MEETING, UH, ON APRIL.
WHAT DAY IS THAT? EIGHTH? 20? NO HOLD, SORRY, APRIL.
A COUPLE THINGS I THINK, UH, TO BE THINKING ABOUT IS, UM, YOU MIGHT, IF YOU WANNA DO SOME HOMEWORK, I THINK THE THINGS THAT HIT ME THAT ARE RELATED TO LAND USE, UM, IS FIRE STATIONS AND THE DESIRE TO BE MORE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE BETTER SERVICE.
OF COURSE ALL THAT COSTS MONEY.
IT'S A LOT OF MONEY INVOLVED IN EQUIPMENT AND LABOR AND ALL THAT, BUT THE SIGHTING OF A FIRE STATION.
SO THERE'VE BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT IN TERMS OF, OF, UM, OF THE NORTHERN END OF THE COUNTY AND, UH, WITH ALL THE GROWTH THERE.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
THERE'S ALSO THE SITE IN MCKINNEY, WHICH, UH, IF ANYBODY'S BEEN BY THERE, IT WAS PROBABLY THE WORST SPOT IN TOWN TO ACTUALLY PUT A FIRE STATION.
AND IT'S COSTING A LOT OF MONEY TO REHAB.
SO THERE'S THOUGHTS ABOUT, UH, MAYBE PUTTING THAT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
SO THOSE, THOSE WERE A COUPLE LAND USE ISSUES THAT I WANTED TO PASS ALONG TO YOU.
UM, IT IS FASCINATING TO ME HOW EXPENSIVE THINGS ARE.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST TALK ABOUT CERTAIN EM, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT EQUIPMENT, IT'S JUST ASTRONOMICAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, FIRE ENGINES THAT COST $2 MILLION AND THEY BLOW THROUGH 300 GALLONS A MINUTE AND YOU DON'T, YOU'RE OUT OF WATER IN EIGHT MINUTES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING.
BUT, UM, A LOT OF SCHOOL ISSUES AS WELL.
NO NEW SCHOOLS, BUT CERTAINLY AT THE SCHOOL, SOME OF THOSE SITES AS WELL.
UM, RECREATION, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO I DID WANNA PASS THAT ALONG TO YOU AND IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO SHARE WHAT I, I'VE LEARNED WITH Y'ALL AHEAD OF NEXT MONTH'S MEETING THAT WE EXPECT, UH, THIS VOTE AND, AND IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS GONNA BE BROUGHT EXTRA NEXT MONTH TOO.
RIGHT? REMEMBER YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHAT IT WAS THOUGH.
IT IT, THE IDEA OF IT BEING AT, UH, AT A WORKSHOP TIMEFRAME.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE THROES OF THE CIP MEETINGS.
SO YOU ARE A REPRESENTATIVE THIS GO ROUND? YES, SIR.
WE'VE HAD, UH, I BELIEVE THREE SO FAR.
GOT TWO MORE AND THEN A VOTE, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE FOLLOWED BY A BOARD VOTE.
I I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING HERE ABOUT A REPRESENTATIVE THIS YEAR.
I MEAN, I REMEMBER THE YEAR I WAS ON IT, BUT I, I GOT ASKED AND THAT'S FINE.
WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT MY MEMORY SUGGESTED THAT YOU DID IT AS A CHAIRPERSON AND I WAS BEING CHAIRPERSON, SO I JUST DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT ANY OTHER WAY.
YOU ARE NOT HURTING MY FEELINGS.
I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT THAT YOU DID HURT MY FEELINGS, BUT YOU DIDN'T.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, AND MY BULLY PULPIT IS CHAIRMAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE ALL OF US, YOU KNOW, ALL HAVE A, A RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE TURNS AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
TO THAT END, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR DAY IN THE SUN
IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA ASTOUND PEOPLE.
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HOW MUCH PUBLIC SAFETY COSTS THIS COUNTY AND HOW MUCH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM COSTS THIS COUNTY.WELL THE, THE COURTHOUSE OVER HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING OF WHICH WE HAVE NO SAY OVER EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
NO, THE FIRE CHIEF AT MCKINNEY.
HE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE YARD, UH, WAS GIVEN AWAY.
AND THEY WERE WANTED TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT, BUT I DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT, WELL THE, THE THINKING IS THAT JUST TO REPAIR THE PROBLEM THAT'S THERE NOW IS ABOUT $650,000 AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT'S GONNA WARRANT A NORMAL LIFE CYCLE.
SO THE THINKING IS THE NEXT BIG FLOOD COULD COME BACK AND YOU GOTTA REPEAT THE WHOLE THING AGAIN.
AND SO THERE IS A SITE IN TOWN WHERE THERE'S A MAN SITE, Y'ALL KNOW WHERE THE MAN SITE IS IN TOWN.
AND THERE USED TO BE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE, I BELIEVE I HEARD TODAY WAS 17 ACRES.
UH, YEAH, YOU WEREN'T THERE, SO, YEAH, WELL, MORGAN WAS THERE 17 ACRES, UH, NOT INCLUDING THE MAN SITE.
AND SO THERE WAS THINKING THAT SINCE A LOT OF THE RESPONSES FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE TO GO TO THE INTERSTATE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE INTERSTATE.
AND, UH, THE, THERE WAS SOME COMPETING, UH, THOUGHTS FROM THE REC DEPARTMENT ABOUT USING THAT WISELY.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY COUNTY PROPERTY TO CONSIDER SOME RECREATION, BUT THERE WAS ALSO THOUGHTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING FIRE STATION LOCATION COULD BE EQUAL, MAYBE EVEN A BETTER LOCATION FOR RECREATION BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CENTER OF THE TOWN.
SO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS BEING WAD VICTOR DALE ALSO.
UM, ONE THING I KEEP PLODDING ALONG, BY THE WAY, I'M, I'M SORT OF THE COUNTY REP FOR THE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.
I'M NOT GONNA BORE Y'ALL WITH THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, UM, I WAS TRYING TO SELL THAT TODAY TOO.
SO I'VE GOT ALL THE PAPERWORK HERE.
UM, SO I CAN TELL Y'ALL ALL ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THAT.
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT HOW GREAT THE POTHOLE FILLING IS THAT THEY'RE DOING NOT SO AT ALL? WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK TO RESPONSE TIME, BUT I WILL SAY THAT IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT WAS A VERY ROUGH WINTER
I, I, I KNOW WHY THE POTHOLES ARE THERE, BUT THE REPAIRS DON'T LAST ANY TIME.
WELL, MR. BASSETT WOULD BE MY, WILL BE MY WITNESS.
I MADE COMMENT TO THAT TODAY THAT I FELT LIKE THAT SOME OF THE PREPARERS THAT WERE PUT DOWN, I QUESTIONED IF THEY WERE PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY.
AND I WAS TOLD IT WAS PERMANENT AND I SAID, NO, I DON'T BUY THAT
NOT WHEN I SEE LIKE TWO OR THREE INCHES GOING DOWN.
YEAH, WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TODAY WITH BE HOT STAFF, THAT TRUCK THAT GOES AROUND AND SPEWS THE STUFF IN THE HOLE.
THAT'S THE NEAREST NOTHING I EVER SAW IN MY LIFE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE PAY MONEY.
GOOD MONEY TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE A SCRATCH ON YOUR HAND, YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A BIG CUT, NO.
WELL, WE'RE THANKFUL TO YOU,
I THINK I EARNED MY COUNTY PAYCHECK TODAY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THREE MEETINGS WITH WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE ON THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT STUFF.
HOW, HOW MUCH WERE YOU PAID? UM, NOTHING ACTUALLY.
WELL, YOU'RE GETTING PAID FOR THIS MEETING.
WELL, NOW THE COMMISSION'S HERE, I, I, I'M, I WON'T HAVE TO, I GUESS I'M BUG ALVIN ABOUT THAT WHEN THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN EITHER.
UM, SO, UM, ANY, WELL, I WILL SAY ONE OTHER THING.
UH, AND, AND I'M SPEAKING TO MR. ADAMS. SEE I GAVE HIM PLENTY OF LEEWAY BEYOND THE THREE MINUTES TODAY.
I WANT TO GET, KINDA GET Y'ALL'S BUY-IN ON THAT
I, I FELT LIKE WITH ONE PERSON HERE, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE SITUATION I TOOK THAT IF ANYBODY TAKES EXCEPTION TO ME WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD 300 PEOPLE HERE, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT STORY.
BUT IF ANYBODY FEELS THAT I DID SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
WHO WANTS TO RUSH FOR THAT NEXT MOTION? WELL, HOLD
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ON.WE GOT PLANNING DIRECTOR COMMENTS.
GOTTA GIVE MARK A. LITTLE CHANCE HERE TOO.
THANK YOU MR. TIM
WE WILL HAVE THE CIP BEFORE YOU ALL.
AND, UH, MR. MASSING HAS INDICATED THAT, UM, WITH THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, THE DIFFERENT, I THINK WE DID IT LAST YEAR AS WELL, TRIED TO DO IT LAST YEAR.
THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT, UH, INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING THEIR CIP UH, PROJECTS WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN ADDITION TO MR. MASSING.
SO JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW
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ABOUT THAT.AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE FOR NEXT MONTH AT YOUR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TOO KIND.
WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY WAS THAT THEY VOTED FOR SOMETHING AND, AND OUT HERE IT AUTOMATICALLY GETS CUT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR NEXT MEETING EXCEPT FOR THE CIP.
EXCEPT FOR THE CIP TELL 'EM SEND ALL THE INFORMATION EARLY THAT WE'LL READ IT
WELL, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION AND VOTE AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL IS ONLY ONE WEEK PRIOR.
I, I'VE GOT ONE, ONE THING IN INSIDE COURSE
I THOUGHT HE SAID THE 18TH, BUT, UH, SO MY APOLOGIES.
WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS HERE FOR THAT.
RETIRED POLITICIAN'S? UH, I DO.
OH, I DID WANT TO ASK, UH, MS. BISHOP DID, HAVE YOU HAD THE TRAINING? I KNOW THEY HAD TO RESCHEDULE IT 'CAUSE THE SNOW.
SO IT'S, THEY MOVED IT TO THE END OF THIS MONTH, WHICH WAS OUR SECOND HALF AND THEN THE BEGINNING OF JUNE, THE WEEK BEFORE FOUR H CAMP.
SO YOU HAD ONE NOT THE SECOND.
WELL, NO, I'LL HAVE BOTH, BUT THEY JUST MOVED THE FIRST ONE TO THE LAST ONE AND THEN ADDED A JUNE.
SO NOW CAN I MOTION TO ADJOURN? YES SIR.
NO, I'M GONNA MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.
IS THAT, THAT WAS, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
ALL VOTING AYE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.