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          MIC CHECK. 
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THANK YOU. 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER]
UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL OUR, UH, APRIL, 2026, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. 
          AND IF WE COULD ALL JUST PLEASE STAND FOR OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND A PRAYER, RAMON AS SILENCE ALLEGEDLY TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT, Y'ALL BE SEATED, PLEASE. 
          MR. GURLEY, ROLL CALL. 
          MR. SIMMONS. 
          HERE. 
          MR. TUS. 
          MR. HAR? HERE. 
          MR. TAYLOR? HERE. 
          MR. BISHOP? HERE. 
          LANGLEY HERE. 
          AND MR. HAYES HERE. 
          SIX MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MOVING 
          [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          UNLESS MR. BASSETT HAS A RECOMMENDED CHANGE, UM, I ASK FOR A CALL TO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. 
          NO RECOMMENDED CHANGES THIS EVENING FOR THE AGENDA, SIR. 
          MOVE. 
          SO TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. 
          SECOND. 
          MR. TAYLOR? YES. 
          MR. HARVILLE? YES. 
          MR. SIMMONS? YES. 
          MS. BISHOP. 
          AYE. 
          S LANGLEY AYE. 
          AND MR. HAYES? YES. 
          SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, MOVING ALONG 
          [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          YOU ALL HAVE, UM, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SETS OF MINUTES THERE THAT YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO PICK A GANDER AT. 
          UM, ANY CORRECT COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS, OR ANYTHING ON EITHER, EITHER ONE OF THOSE? IF NOT, CALL FOR A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE FIRST. 
          THE, UH, JANUARY 15TH, UH, REGULAR MEETING WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE GENERAL, THE 15TH MEETING BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          MS. BISHOP. 
          AYE. 
          MR. SIMMONS? YES. 
          MR. LANGLEY? AYE. 
          MR. TUCKER, I MEAN, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          MR. TAYLOR? YES. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          PARDON? FINE. 
          MR. LANGLEY? AYE. 
          AND, AND MR. HAYES? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          LIKEWISE FOR THE MARCH MEETING. 
          I MOVE THAT WE, UM, APPROVE THOSE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. 
          I SECOND MR. BISHOP. 
          AYE. 
          MR. SIMMONS? YES. 
          MR. VILLE? YES. 
          MR. TAYLOR? YES. 
          MR. LANGLEY? I STAND WAS NOT HERE. 
          YOU'RE ABSTAINING? YES. 
          AND MR. HAYES? YES. 
          FIVE MEMBERS VOTING. 
          AYE. 
          ONE MEMBER. 
          ABSTAINED. 
          ALRIGHT, I'M LOOKING AT UP TO OUR ESTEEMED CITIZENS IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. 
          DOES ANYBODY, UH, WISH TO SPEAK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT? I KNOW YOU'RE DYING TO. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP, MR. CHAIR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'LL CLOSE THAT PIECE AND THEN, UH, MOVING 
          [7. PLAT REVIEW]
ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WE HAVE ONE OF OUR, UM, PLAT REVIEWS THAT MR. BASSETT IS GONNA PRESENT. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          AND, UH, YES, TONIGHT WE HAVE OUR PLAT REVIEW. 
          ON THE SLIDE, WE HAVE THE PLAT OF THE LEWIS PROPERTY, SNAP LODGE ROAD AND, UM, BLUE JONES ROAD. 
          AND THIS IS A BUYRIGHT SUBDIVISION. 
          UM, MANY OF YOU ALL MAY REMEMBER, UH, IN THE PAST WE HAD THE SLIDING SCALE, UM, BASICALLY LOT DIVISION ALLOW THAT WAS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THE A TWO ZONING DISTRICT PROPERTY ZONED A TWO AGRICULTURAL. 
          AND OUR OLD POLICY WAS THAT YOU COULD GET TWO, THREE ACRE PARCELS AND THEN THE REST OF THE PARCELS HAD TO BE 20 ACRES OR MORE, UH, WITHIN THE COUNTY, UM, WITH SOME, UM, COURT RULINGS THAT CHESTERFIELD DEALT WITH. 
          UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND NOW IN THE A TWO ZONING DISTRICT, WE HAVE A MAXIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT MAXIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENT BASICALLY MIMICS, UM, OUR OLD SLIDING SCALE, UM, ACREAGE REQUIREMENT IN THE A TWO ZONING DISTRICT. 
          UM, SO FOR, UH, IF YOU HAVE, UH, SIX ACRES UP TO, UM, JUST BELOW 26 ACRES, YOU CAN GET TWO LOTS. 
          SO BASICALLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE 26 ACRES TO GET THREE LOTS OUT OF A PARENT PARCEL. 
          THAT WAS BASED ON OUR TWO THREE ACRE LOTS. 
          AND THEN THE REST HAD TO BE 20 ACRES. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT MAXIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENT, 
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AND AS LONG AS YOU MEET THAT REQUIREMENT IN THE A TWO ZONING DISTRICT, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DIVIDE YOUR PROPERTY BY RIGHT? SO THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A BUYRIGHT, UH, DIVISION OF THE, UH, PARENT TRACK THERE OWNED BY THE LEWIS FAMILY. 
          BUT, UM, IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, IT SAYS THAT, UM, ANYBODY WHO HAS MORE THAN JUST YOUR, MORE THAN JUST DIVIDING OFF A SINGLE LOT OFF OF YOUR PROPERTY, THAT YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE A PLAT REVIEW, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO TONIGHT, THIS IS OUR PLAT REVIEW BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND YOU ALL DON'T, UM, VOTE ON THE PLAT. 
          YOU JUST HAVE A PUBLIC REVIEW OF THE PLAT. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THIS? WELL, WITH NO QUESTIONS, I'LL GIVE YOU A FUN TRANSPORTATION, UH, TRIVIA ON THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, LOU JONES ROAD AND, UH, SNAP LODGE ROAD USED TO BE ROUTE ONE BACK WHEN IT WAS CALLED ROUTE 31. 
          AND IN AN EFFORT TO ELIMINATE TWO GRAY CROSSINGS, RIGHT? ONE WAS REALIGNED, THUS LEAVING THE PARCEL. 
          YOU SEE, THAT JUST GOT DIVIDED. 
          OKAY? SO THAT'S, DIDN'T KNOW THAT LITTLE FUN FACT FOR OKAY. 
          FOR YOUR TRANSPORTATION GEEKS OUT THERE. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU MR. BASSETT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          SO, UM, MR. 
          [8. FY 2026-2027 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN]
MASSENGILL, ARE YOU PRESENTING NUMBER EIGHT, SIR? I'M, AND I WANNA LET MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS KNOW IF YOU DIDN'T. 
          UH, I REPRESENTED ALL OF YOU ON, UH, A WHOLE HOST OF MEETINGS OVER THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS THERE. 
          I THINK THESE GUYS, ALL THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT DID A GREAT JOB OF REPRESENTING, UM, THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY. 
          IT KIND OF, UH, REALLY REMINDED ME OF MY DAYS AT VDOT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU GOT ALL THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT, YOU GOT ALL THE THINGS YOU GOTTA DO, AND UNFUNDED MANDATES AND EVERYTHING ALL WRAPPED INTO ONE. 
          SO, MR. MASSENGILL, GOING AHEAD. 
          NO, THANK, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          AND SO I, I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TODAY TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. 
          AND I, I WANT TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THIS YEAR AND, AND JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, AND, AND MR. HAYES JUST INDICATED IT IS JUST THIS, UH, REALLY A, A GOOD CATEGORY OF, OF, UH, NEEDS THAT ARE ON THE CAPITAL SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, BUT I I WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF OUR NEWER MEMBERS OF WHY WE HAVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE COUNTY HAS ITS OPERATING BUDGET, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MAINLY, AGAIN, JUST FOR THE, THE ASPECTS OF, OF SALARY AND OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, UM, AS ASSOCIATED WITH ONGOING REOCCURRING OPERATIONAL, UM, LINE ITEMS, UH, CAPITAL EXPENSES ARE DIFFERENT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE BRICKS AND MORTAR AND THE SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENT OF, OF LARGE SCALE EQUIPMENT AND, AND POTENTIAL NEW BRICKS AND MORTAR TYPE OF, OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD OCCUR IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO EVERY YEAR WE DO THE CAPITAL, UM, IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT YOU TIE IT BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. 
          AND SO THERE'S GREAT WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT EXPECTS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND ACTIVITY AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THE CIP ALWAYS TAKE TIES BACK TO THAT COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. 
          AND THE WAY WE GET STARTED HERE IS BY FORMING A WORKING GROUP. 
          AND SO THERE ARE, UH, 10 VOTING MEMBERS A A PART OF THAT, BUT THE COMMITTEE ITSELF OR THE WORKING GROUP IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THAT. 
          SO ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE, WE HAVE, UH, SHERIFF ADAMS AND OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE AND MAJOR KNOT, UH, DOES, UH, MOST OF THAT EFFORT AS HIS DESIGNEE. 
          UH, CHIEF KISSNER, UH, WHO HAS A PROJECT THAT HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS, IS ALSO MAKING UP THAT PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE, UM, FROM EDUCATION OR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          WE HAVE DR. 
          KERRY WESTON, AS WELL AS JEFF, UM, WALTERS, THAT'S, THAT'S WITH US. 
          AND SO THEY MAKE UP THE EDUCATION SIDE. 
          UH, FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          WE HAVE MARK BASSETT WHO SETS ON, ON, UH, THE WORKING GROUP FROM FINANCE. 
          WE HAVE ANN HOWERTON, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SAM HAYES, AND THEN FROM THE IDA, SHARON YATES WAS A PART OF THE, THE WORKING GROUP. 
          EDDIE PEARSON FROM THE WATER AUTHORITY, JEREMY LTZ FROM THE AIRPORT. 
          UM, AND THEN SOME OTHER MEMBERS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY VOTING MEMBERS, BUT, UH, MORGAN INGRAM, UH, IS, IS A MEMBER OF THE WORKING GROUP AS WELL AS TIMMY CLYBURN, WHO IS OUR GENERAL SERVICES DIRECTOR. 
          AND, UH, FRANK HOLTON, WHO IS THE NEW, UH, COUNTY ENGINEER. 
          AND SO WE'LL BE TRANSITIONING, 
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UH, FRANK TO TAKE ON AS FRANK WALKS THROUGH THE DOOR, UH, WE'LL BE TRANSITIONING HIM TO, NOW THAT WE HAVE A COUNTY ENGINEER, HE'S GONNA BE TAKING A, A MUCH MORE, UM, DIRECT APPROACH TO THIS NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WE PENNY'S LIKE WEEK FIVE OR SIX ON THE JOB. 
          WE, WE DIDN'T THROW HIM COMPLETELY IN THE FIRE THIS YEAR FOR IT. 
          SO EVERY YEAR WE LOOK AT, UM, OUR ASSETS, WE LOOK AT PROPERTIES, WE LOOK AT EQUIPMENT, WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL FLEET VEHICLE, ESPECIALLY ON THE, THE FIRE AND EMS SIDE. 
          IF YOU RECALL LAST YEAR WE SEPARATED LARGE SCALE EQUIPMENT AND WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT FUND, UM, IS WHAT I CALL IT AND CALLS IT FUND 3 0 7. 
          BUT THE REPLACEMENT FUND ALLOWS US EVERY YEAR, FIVE PENNIES OF THE TAX RATE GOES DIRECTLY TO SUPPORT WHAT WOULD BE REOCCURRING, UM, EXPENSES THAT SHOULD BE MORE OR LESS IN THE OPERATING SIDE, NOT ON THE CAPITAL SIDE. 
          SO WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE ALL YOUR SCHOOL BUS REPLACEMENT. 
          IT'S ALSO GONNA BE ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          UH, ANY TYPE OF LARGE SCALE, UH, FIRE AND EMS VEHICLES, UH, ARE GONNA BE IN THAT SYSTEMATIC PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS ANY MAJOR LARGE SCALE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY PROJECTS. 
          SO WE HAVE MAPPED OUT FOR THE COUNTY THE, THE NEXT EIGHT TO 10 YEARS, AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME YEARS WE'RE NOT SPENDING AS MUCH. 
          AND THEN SOME YEARS WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING MORE THAN THAN FIVE PENNIES. 
          SO THE AVERAGE OF WHAT WE NEEDED WAS ABOUT FIVE PENNIES ON THE TAX RATE. 
          SO IF YOU'RE QUESTIONING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, IT'S UH, 1.87 MILLION, SO JUST UNDER $1.9 MILLION. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY'S GONNA NEED FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS JUST TO REPLACE THOSE ITEMS. SO BY CLEARING THAT OUT OF THE CIP, IT GIVES, IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO DO MORE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT, THAT OUR COMMUNITY PROBABLY WANTS TO SEE US TACKLE ON. 
          UH, SO AFTER THE COMMITTEE WAS FORMED, AGAIN, YOU EVALUATE THESE ITEMS. UM, WE FIRST START OFF LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS HAD THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. 
          SO THE PROJECTS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT LAST YEAR AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAW FIT TO FUND, UH, WE REEVALUATE THOSE AT THE START OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLANNING PROCESS. 
          FOR US, WE LOOK AT IT, WE LOOK AT ANY, ANY, UH, NEW SUBMISSIONS THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN. 
          UH, TYPICALLY OUR GOAL WAS TO MOVE THOSE TOWARDS THE END OF THE LINE, NOT THE BEGINNING OF THE LINE. 
          UH, NOT TO LEAPFROG IN AN EXISTING PROJECT, UH, BUT IF THERE'S A NEW PROJECT, THERE'S SOME FORMS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED TO GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE OVERALL APPROACH OF THE PROJECT SO THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE MORE FULLY. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S A PRIORITIZATION THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          SO EACH COUNTY DEPARTMENT'S REQUIRED TO, TO IDENTIFY ITS PRIORITIES. 
          SO WE, WE SAY THAT IF EVERYTHING'S A PRIORITY, NOTHING'S A PRIORITY. 
          SO IF YOU, IF YOU COME IN, YOU HAVE FIVE PROJECTS, YOU CAN'T PUT ALL FIVE AS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          SO WE, WE REALLY KIND OF ENFORCE THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, AT LEAST WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, UM, SOME TYPE OF PRIORITIZATION, WHICH MAKES IT EASY IN THE, IN THE OVERALL VETTING PROCESS. 
          SO THE, THE WORKING GROUP MEETS, UH, GOES THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE PROJECTS ONE BY ONE. 
          WE LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE FUNDING YEAR. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A 10 YEAR PLAN, THE ONLY YEAR THAT ACTUALLY RECEIVES FUNDING IS IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO FY 27 IS WHERE THE, THE MONEY GETS ASSIGNED TO. 
          WE TRY TO, UH, RANK OUR PROJECTS BASED ON WHAT'S URGENT AND THOSE URGENT ITEMS ARE GONNA BE IN THAT YEAR ONE. 
          AND SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BIG SHEET, I THINK MR. BASSETT WAS ABLE TO PUT THIS IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          SO, AND FORGIVE ME, I'M A VERY VISUAL PERSON. 
          SO WHEN WE HAD THIS SPREADSHEET DONE, I, I LIKE TO, TO LOOK AT THINGS A CERTAIN WAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH HOW TO READ THIS. 
          UM, IT'S SOMEWHAT SIMPLISTIC, BUT AGAIN, IT KIND OF GETS INTO THE PRIORITIZATION PIECE. 
          SO ON YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE 33 PROJECTS THAT RUN DOWN THE PAGE, AND THEY'RE CATEGORIZED BY THE REQUESTER. 
          SO THE ENTITY THAT'S ASKING FOR IT, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, AND THEN, THEN OUR SCHOOLS. 
          SO THE, THE NEXT COLUMN OVER IS GONNA BE YOUR PROJECTS. 
          AND SO THERE'S A DESCRIPTION, A QUALIFIER, IF YOU WILL, OF WHAT THE, THE PROJECT, UH, IS, IS THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. 
          UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS HOW IS IT GONNA BE FUNDED. 
          AND SO THERE'S EITHER PARTICULARLY TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          ONE IS GONNA BE FUNDED DIRECTLY THROUGH WHAT WE CALL A GENERAL FUND TRANSFER. 
          SO EVERY YEAR OUT OF THE OPERATING FUND, THERE'S A GENERAL FUND THAT WE MOVE THE MONEY TO TRANSFER INTO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND. 
          NOW, THE, THE GOOD PART ABOUT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND, UNLIKE YOUR OPERATING FUND, THE STROKE OF MIDNIGHT ON JUNE 30, THOSE MONIES GO AWAY AND GO BACK INTO 
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THE FUND BALANCE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, THOSE MONIES STAY IN YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          SO WE, WE MAY HAVE IN, IN, FOR EXAMPLE, PROJECTS THAT'S BEEN APPROVED THAT WILL HAVE A FUND BALANCE ON THOSE BECAUSE THOSE PROJECTS HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETED YET. 
          SO WHAT THIS IS JUST REFERENCING IS FOR FY 27, THIS IS THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL SEE. 
          THE 2.43 MILLION IS THE PROJECTS THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, UM, TRANSFER. 
          OTHER FUNDING IS SOME OTHER SOURCE OF FUNDS. 
          AND SO TYPICALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE BONDS, GRANTS, OR RESIDUAL FUNDS OFF OF ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          SO WE DON'T TIE THAT UP IN A GENERAL FUND TRANSFER, BUT THEY ARE, UM, IDENTIFIED AS, AS OTHER FUNDING ESTIMATED PROJECT COSTS IS THE TWO BOLD LINES. 
          AND SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, WE DON'T WANNA LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE, THAT'S THE $189 MILLION PRICE TAG. 
          SO THAT'S, IF YOU WERE TO DO ALL THE PROJECTS AT ONE TIME, THAT'S HOW MUCH THE, THE TOTAL PROJECT COSTS SPANNING 10 YEARS WOULD BE. 
          SO THE NEXT TWO BOLD LINES IS FY 27 TO FY 31. 
          AND, AND THE WAY I, I LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS AND I, AND I TOLD SAM, YOU KNOW, WE KINDA LOOK AT THIS AS LIKE THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN ON ROADS, BUT WE TRY TO DO A BETTER JOB IN VDOT WITH IT. 
          SO IF, IF YOU'RE WITHIN THE 27 TO 31 YEARS, A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA WOULD DO A FIVE YEAR CIP. 
          AND FOR US, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. 
          IF YOU WERE ON THE FIVE YEAR C-I-C-I-P, THERE WAS REALLY NO INTENTION IF YOU WERE ON YEAR FOUR OR FIVE THAT IT ACTUALLY GET FUNDED ON YEAR FOUR OR FIVE. 
          IT JUST, IT'S A PLACEHOLDER. 
          SO WHAT WE DID IS WE MOVED IT OUT TO MAKE IT A 10 YEAR CIP SO WE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT SOME OF OUR FUTURISTIC PROJECTS AND NOT NECESSARILY TIE THEM IN. 
          SO WHAT I LIKE TO TELL THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM 27 TO 31, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL HERE IS IF YOU'RE ON THE PLAN, THEN IT'S KIND OF THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          SO IF YOU'RE IN A PROJECT THAT'S IN, UH, 31, WE WILL, WE WOULD LIKE OUR COMMUNITY TO THINK BY THE TIME YOU GET TO 31, YOU CAN REALISTICALLY AFFORD TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE TRY TO DOVETAIL OUR FINANCIAL FORECASTING TO THESE TWO BOLD LINES THAT ARE IN THE CENTER OF THE PAGE, UH, FROM 32 TO 36, AGAIN, FUTURISTIC PLANNING YEARS. 
          AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SOMEWHAT PLACEHOLDERS, BUT REALISTICALLY, UH, THAT'S WHEN THE DEPARTMENTS FEEL LIKE THOSE ASSETS AND OR EQUIPMENT AND OR FUTURE BUILDING PROJECTS SHOULD, SHOULD COME ONLINE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S HOW YOU READ IT. 
          UM, AGAIN, 27 WE CONSIDER IS THE MOST URGENT YEAR, AND THAT'S THE YEAR THAT WE ACTUALLY WILL, WILL GET FUNDS. 
          THERE'S SOME FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS AND JUST AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, SO THE, THE ULTIMATE GOAL BY VIRGINIA CODE, 'CAUSE YOU DO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, YOU'RE THE ONES WHO KIND OF SET THE DIRECTION OF WHAT ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES LOOK LIKE. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALWAYS TIE THIS AGAIN BACK TO THE COMP PLAN. 
          BUT WE, WE ASKED A COUPLE QUESTIONS, AND I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THESE, IS WHEN WE'RE RANKING AND, AND CONSIDERING THIS IS, DOES THE PROJECT PRESERVE OR ENHANCE A COUNTY ASSET? AND SO IN OTHER WORDS, WILL THE PROJECT HELP MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE THE EXISTING LIFE OF A FACILITY? UM, ITS ANTICIPATED LIFE CYCLE. 
          WE DON'T NECESSARILY REPLACE ROOFS JUST BECAUSE IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE REPLACED. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S INSPECTIONS AND THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT, BUT THERE ARE LIFE CYCLES THAT GO WITH IT. 
          SO WE, WE, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT, THAT WE'LL ASK, UM, AND THEN, UH, INCREASE LOCAL GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY OR EFFECTIVENESS. 
          AND SO DOES IT ELIMINATE A COSTLY REPAIR? AND IN SOME CASES, WE CAN SPEND MORE MONEY IN MAINTAINING SOMETHING THAN IT WOULD BE TO, TO JUST OUTRIGHT REPLACE IT. 
          SO THESE ARE THE THINGS WE LOOK AT. 
          IS THERE ANY LIABILITY ASSOCIATED, FOR EXAMPLE, A DA COMPLIANCE AND THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES, IT IS GONNA RANK A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          UM, IS IT A POTENTIAL THREAT TO SERVICE DELIVERY? FOR EXAMPLE, IF CHIEF KISSINGER NEEDS AN ASSET LIKE AN AMBULANCE TO BE REACH CHASSIS. 
          NOW WE MOVED THAT TO A DIFFERENT FUND, BUT THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS ARE GONNA HAVE DIRECT HEALTH IMPACTS. 
          AND SO WE, WE LOOK AT THAT, UH, GOOD STEWARDS OF THE PUBLIC RESOURCES. 
          UM, IS IT A GOOD WAY TO GO AHEAD AND FUND THE PROJECT ALL AT ONE TIME? SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          UM, ARE THERE OTHER FUNDING RESOURCES, STATE, FEDERAL, THAT CAN BE USED TO MATCH IT? SO SOME OF OUR AIRPORT PROJECTS, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN GET MATCHED, UM, IMPACTS ON OPERATING BUDGET. 
          SO WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO GIVE SOMETHING NEW, BUT THEN YOU GOTTA RUN IT TOO. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF I BUILD A BASKETBALL PICKLEBALL COURT, MR. HENDERSON WOULD TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MAINTENANCE THAT'S REQUIRED TO THAT, BUT ARE THERE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS? AND, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE BIGGER PICTURE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC POLICY OBJECTIVES. 
          AND SO WE LOOK AT PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY, WELFARE NUMBER ONE, WE LOOK AT PUBLIC EDUCATION NUMBER TWO, 
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UH, THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF THE, OF THE ASSET. 
          WE LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND THEN THE OVERALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION OR AESTHETICS. 
          AND THEN OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND SO THE WORKING GROUP, UM, HAS MADE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY IS GONNA DO IS, IS REVIEW THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE OUTLINING THE 27 TO 36 PLAN, WHAT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON TONIGHT IS THE FUNDING YEAR. 
          BECAUSE EACH YEAR, ANNUALLY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT IT, ASK QUESTIONS. 
          IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT, UH, THEN WE HOPE THAT YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE IT. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ANY, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'LL DEFINITELY GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AT THAT. 
          BUT OUR GOAL, MR. CHAIRMAN TONIGHT IS AT LEAST TO BE ABLE TO GET A, AN APPROVAL ON FY 27. 
          SO WE CAN DOVETAIL INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE, UH, THE OPERATING BUDGET AS WELL AS THE CAPITAL PLAN LATER THIS MONTH. 
          SO THE, THE FIRST ITEM I'M GOING TO ADDRESS, WHICH IS THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION. 
          THIS IS A ESTIMATED $15.26 MILLION PROJECT, UM, OUR COURTHOUSE THAT EVERYONE CALLS THE NEW COURTHOUSE. 
          'CAUSE IT IS NEWER THAN THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE, BUT IT'S STILL 27, 28 YEARS OLD. 
          AND SO WE HAVE BEEN PLAGUED WITH A LOT OF, UH, HVAC, MECHANICAL, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING TYPE ISSUES. 
          UH, AND SO WE, WE STARTED A PROCESS LAST YEAR TO, UH, HIRE AN ARCHITECTURAL COMPANY TO COME IN AN A E FIRM, UH, HBA ARCHITECTURE, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO, UH, DESIGNED THIS BUILDING AS WELL AS THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. 
          AND WE HAD 'EM EVALUATE THE, UH, THE, THE COURTHOUSE ITSELF. 
          AND, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THOSE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, AND PLUMBING ISSUES ARE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT AND A LOT OF THAT NEEDS TO BE GUTTED AND REPLACED. 
          WE'VE BEEN, LIKE I SAID, BEEN, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2002. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THE BUILDING OPENED IN 97, 98. 
          UM, AND WE'VE HAD CONSISTENT ISSUES THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE TIME. 
          WE, WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE PATCH TYPE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE STILL HAVE HAD AS THREE TYPE OF FLOODING EVENTS THAT OCCURRED IN THE SPAN OF 18 MONTHS. 
          AND SO, AND NOT, NOT SOMETHING WE'RE PROUD OF. 
          SO WE GOTTA GOTTA GET THAT FIXED. 
          AND WE SAID IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE ALSO NEED TO DO THE AESTHETIC UPDATES. 
          AND SO IF YOU WERE TO GO SET ON THE CHAIRS AND THE FURNITURE, IT'S THE SAME NEW FURNITURE THAT WE HAD IN 97, 98. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN NO FURNITURE UPGRADES. 
          WHAT HBA ARCHITECTURE IS RECOMMENDING IS A NEW VESTIBULE AREA WOULD BE BUILT IN THE FRONT. 
          AT TIMES WHEN WE HAVE CITIZENS AND JURY TO SHOW UP, THEY HAVE TO, TO STAND OUTSIDE IN THE WEATHER AND, AND NOT ENOUGH QUEUING SPACE TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO IT. 
          SO WE WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING A VESTIBULE AREA AREA TO THE FRONT. 
          WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE MAKING SOME, UH, UH, STAFFING CHANGES WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER COURTS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE BUILDING. 
          SO WE SAID, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, WE KNOW LET'S DO A COMPLETE SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT, GET IT ALL IN PLAY AT THE RIGHT TIME. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SAY ARE DISCRETIONARY, BUT, UH, THE CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE DOES HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO ORDER THESE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND SO WE DID TELL THE, THE JUDGE, MR. TEFI, THAT, UH, THERE WAS NO ORDER NECESSARY THAT WE WOULD DO THE BEST WE COULD TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT TO THE, TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE. 
          SO 15.2 MILLION, UH, IT'S AN ANTICIPATED, AS YOU'LL SEE, OTHER FUNDING, UH, THE COUNTY WOULD, WOULD GO OUT AND DO A BORROW. 
          UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY MAKE APPLICATION IN THE MAY JUNE TIMEFRAME FOR WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE SUMMER POOL FOR. 
          SO, UH, THE VIRGINIA RESOURCE AUTHORITY ALLOWS LOCAL GOVERNMENT MUNICIPALITIES TO POOL PROJECTS SO WHEN THEY GO OUT TO SELL THE BONDS, THAT WE GET A BETTER RATE ON THOSE BONDS AND SO THAT IT LEAVES US IN A VERY, VERY GOOD POSITION TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT BOND ISSUANCE. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY MENTION IS EVERY YEAR WE HAVE DAVENPORT AND COMPANY, AND IF ANY OF Y'ALL WANNA LOOK AT THIS, WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU, UM, AND GET YOU COPIES OF IT IF YOU LIKE IT AS WELL. 
          BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT SHOWS DAVENPORT IS OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS, AND SO THEY MODEL OUT FOR THE COUNTY, UH, LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, WHAT NOT ONLY OUR, UH, OVERALL AFFORDABILITY IS, BUT OUR CAPACITY TO BORROW, BUT WHAT OUR AFFORDABILITY IS AND IN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU TONIGHT, UH, THERE'S NO TAX IMPLICATIONS TO THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO DO, UH, THAT THE COURTHOUSE PROJECT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE YEARS TONIGHT, BUT IF 
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YOU WILL LOOK AT FY 28, YOU'LL SEE, UH, NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, YOU'LL SEE 17.23 MILLION SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RENOVATION OF, UH, I BELIEVE THEN WHEN MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, THAT UPGRADE WE ALSO LOOKED AT. 
          SO WE, WE MOVED EVERY, UH, MOVED, UH, HAD DAVENPORT LOOK AT MOVING IT, IT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR 29. 
          WE HAD 'EM ASKED, UH, TO LOOK AT 28. 
          SO THEY'RE EVALUATING PRESENTLY, IF YOU WERE TO POTENTIALLY DO A BORROW, WE MIGHT CONSIDER BORROWING THE MONEY TO DO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL RENOVATION AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO THEY'RE RUNNING THOSE MODELS TO SEE IF THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD WORK. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT 28 TONIGHT, BUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND MR. WALTERS WERE, THERE'S A GRANT OPPORTUNITY THROUGH, UH, THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT GIVES MONEY TO SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION AND REHABILITATION. 
          AND THEY WERE FORTUNATE OF THIS, UH, 17.2 OR WHAT PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE LIKE 18 MILLION WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, THEY WOULD GET A $5 MILLION GRANT ON TOP OF THAT. 
          SO THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN AWARDED THOSE FUNDS. 
          SO WE, WE WANT TO BE SMART ABOUT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO TRY TO LEVERAGE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION PROJECT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL JUST WORK THROUGH ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS. 
          I'LL ALSO HIT THE HISTORIC SOUTH SIDE HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION CENTER ANNEX, THE CAFE PORTION, NOT THE OTHER ASPECT THAT THEY MAY REMEMBER. 
          THERE'S TWO ANNEXES THAT, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, TEARING THAT DOWN, THE OLD SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUILDING WHERE IT USED TO OCCUPY BEHIND THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE. 
          UM, THE BRICK HOUSE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO LEMME TELL YOU WHERE THE BRICK BRICK HOUSE IS. 
          THE BRICK HOUSE IS LOCATED BESIDE THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING ON EDSEL LANE. 
          IT'S THE SMALL BUILDING THAT'S LOCATED. 
          WE NEED MORE PARKING SPACE OVER FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. 
          IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO PARK ANYTHING LARGE, THIS PARKING SIDE, UH, PARKINGS KIND OF SMALL THERE. 
          SO THE COUNTY WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE THAT OLD BRICK HOUSE AND THE LAND, UH, WITH IT, IT'S BESIDE THE VERIZON BUILDING. 
          AND SO WE, WE, BY TAKING OUT THAT CORNER ANTICIPATED THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN AND BUILD A PARKING LOT. 
          IT'S NOT TO BUILD THE PARKING LOT, BUT TO JUST TAKE THE BRICK HOUSE DOWN. 
          AND THEN IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE, TO THE LANDFILL, UH, WE HAVE A COMPOSTING FACILITY THAT'S THERE THAT WAS DEFUNCT. 
          IT, IT WAS, UH, A, AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE COUNTY BACK IN, I BELIEVE THE EARLY 1990S, LATE EIGHTIES, UH, WHERE THERE WAS GONNA BE A, A NEW TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. 
          THE TECHNOLOGY NEVER REALLY WORKED. 
          THE COMPANY THAT INSTALLED IT, UM, WENT DEFUNCT AND SO WE WERE LEFT WITH THE ASSET. 
          SO THERE'S A, A THOUGHT THAT IF WE TAKE DOWN THE SILOS, THE BUILDING UNDERNEATH IT IS, IS FAIRLY USABLE. 
          AND AGAIN, TO PROTECT THE ASSET, IF WE CAN TAKE THAT DOWN, WE CAN THEN USE THE SPACE IN A MORE PRACTICAL WAY. 
          SO THAT $376,120 GOES TO TAKING, UH, ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS DOWN AS FAR AS THE DEMOLITION TO DO THE DEMOLITION TO GET IT, UH, IN BETTER CONDITION FOR FUTURE YEARS. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER, UM, TO CHIEF KISSNER WHO'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS. 
          CHIEF, YOU WANNA JUST LEAVE THIS HERE OR YOU OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          EVENING. 
          GOTTA PUT MY EYEBALLS ON. 
          GIMME A SECOND. 
          OKAY, SO TONIGHT, FIRE AND EMS HAD TWO PROJECTS IN THE FISCAL YEAR 27 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. 
          THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS ONE OF YOUR HANDOUTS WILL BE TANKER FOUR. 
          TANKER FOUR IS CURRENTLY LOCATED AT THE ALZINE FIRE STATION. 
          IT IS A 2006 TANKER SLASH ENGINE. 
          AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT A TANKER SLASH ENGINE IS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO AS PART OF THE DEWIN COUNTY APPARATUS REPLACEMENT PLAN, TANKER FORWARD IS PAST DUE FOR REPLACEMENT. 
          CURRENT UNIT WAS BUILT IN 2006, WILL BE 2020 YEARS OLD THIS YEAR. 
          NFPA NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDS APPARATUS BE REPLACED. 
          WE PLACED INTO RESERVE STATUS AT 15 YEARS, REPLACED AT 25 YEARS. 
          SO WE'RE STILL IN THE, THE PROPER RANGE. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY FRONTLINE STILL, SO TECHNICALLY IT SHOULD ALREADY BE IN RESERVE STATUS. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT BEHIND. 
          TANKER FOUR WAS ORIGINALLY SLATED TO REPLACE IN 2024. 
          IT GOT PUSHED BACK DUE TO A FAILURE OF FORWARD TANKER TWO, HAVING SOME MECHANICAL PROBLEMS. AND WE DECIDED THAT FORWARD TANKER TWO WAS IN WORSE SHAPE THAN THE, THAN THE INE TANKER. 
          SO WE TOOK THEM AND SWITCHED THEM AND THAT PUT IT A LITTLE FURTHER BEHIND. 
          BUT WE STILL HAD AN ACTUAL USABLE TRUCK AND TANKER TWO HAD TO HAVE A LOT OF REPAIRS AND IS NOW A RESERVE IN OUR FLEET. 
          TANKER FOUR, AS I SAID EARLIER, IS A 2006 PUMPER SLASH TANKER THAT SERVES THE COUNTY IN TWO DIFFERENT CAPACITIES. 
          HIS PRIMARY ROLE IS A TANKER WITH A BACKUP ROLL, BEING ABLE TO FILL IN AS AN ENGINE COMPANY 
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WHEN NEEDED. 
          IF YOU'VE SEEN OUR TANKERS BEFORE, A LOT OF 'EM LOOK LIKE MILK TRUCKS ON THE BACK, RIGHT? ELLIPTICAL, SHINY TANKS. 
          THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE A REGULAR FIRE ENGINE. 
          HAS A LONGER BODY, HAS TANDEM AXLES, CARRIES A LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER, BUT ALSO CAN SERVE AS A PRIMARY ENGINE WHEN NEEDED. 
          THAT HELPS OUR ISO RATINGS WITH THE COUNTY THAT WE WON'T DROP AN ENGINE, UM, INTO RESERVE STATUS. 
          WE ALWAYS HAVE A RESERVE, TYPICALLY SOMETHING THERE. 
          TANKER FOUR, THE CURRENT ONE IS LARGE, SO IT DOES HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS OF WHERE IT CAN BE HOUSED SOMETIMES. 
          UM, WITH THE NEW CONCEPT AND THE NEW TANKER ENGINE, THEY'RE A LITTLE SHORTER. 
          THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET MORE WATER AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY SERVE PRETTY MUCH LIKE AN ENGINE WITH MANEUVERABILITY AND, AND, AND GETTING AROUND THE COUNTY. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS GETTING THAT BIG TRUCK INTO SOME OF THESE SMALL, SMALL COUNTY ROADS. 
          THE CURRENT TANKER HAS SPENT ITS LIFE SERVING BOTH CAPACITIES, JUST LIKE I SAID, WITH STAFF WITH PROPER APPARATUS. 
          SO FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WHILE WE WAITED FOR THE NEW TANKERS TO COME IN, INE TANKER FOUR WAS ACTUALLY HOUSED AT DENWOODY COMPANY ONE AS A BACKUP BECAUSE OF A TANKER FAILURE. 
          SO THAT TRUCK OBVIOUSLY HAS MOVED AROUND THE COUNTY AND THAT'S KIND OF OUR MOTTO NOW, IS TO MOVE TRUCKS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE TO TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS. 
          LAST YEAR WE SAID WE ADJUSTED THE, UH, REPLACEMENT PLAN TO REFLECT THE EXTENDED BUILD SLASH DELIVERY TIME FOR NEW CUSTOM BUILT FIRE APPARATUS. 
          SO IT WENT FROM BACK WHEN I FIRST STARTED THE FIRE SERVICE TO A YEAR, TO FOUR YEARS TO GETTING THE FIRETRUCK. 
          THAT'S KIND OF OUTSTANDING. 
          THE, UM, LAST ENGINE THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR, 1,470 CALENDAR DAYS UNTIL YOU GET ONE DELIVERED. 
          SO THAT MEANT WE HAD TO TAKE THE WHOLE REPLACEMENT PLAN AND ADJUST IT, MOVE IT FORWARD TO MEET OUR REPLACEMENT PLAN, UM, GOALS. 
          IF NOT, WE WOULD BE FOUR TO FIVE YEARS BEHIND ON EVERY TRUCK. 
          AND THAT WOULDN'T WORK BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU END UP WITH SERVICE DELIVERY PROBLEMS. UM, A A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE DEWI ENGINE ONE. 
          NOW THAT'S SITTING BEHIND COMPANY ONE BROKE BECAUSE IT'S HAD TO EXTEND ITS LIFE SO LONG AND RUN THE COUNTY, IT JUST COULDN'T DO IT. 
          IT COULDN'T, IT COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH WHAT WAS NEEDED BEFORE IT FAILED. 
          SO THEN WE HAD TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND ASK FOR A RESERVE ENGINE BECAUSE WE LOST ALL OF OUR ENGINES IN ORDER TO DO THAT AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT TO BE DELIVERED IN THE NEXT WEEK. 
          SO APPARATUS AND BILL TIMES IS JUST CRIPPLING EVERY DEPARTMENT AROUND US. 
          IF I WERE TO GO RIGHT NOW AND ASK A DEPARTMENT TO LOAN ME A TANKER OR LOAN ME AN ENGINE, THEY WOULD JUST LAUGH AT ME BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EITHER. 
          EVERYBODY IS PRETTY MUCH RUNNING THEIR LAST TRUCKS AS FAR AS THEY CAN TAKE 'EM. 
          THEY CAN'T EVEN MAKE MAINTENANCE MARKS BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING THEM SO LONG 'CAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO THE TANKER WILL HOLD DEPENDING UPON HOW WE SPEC IT, 2,500 TO 3000 GALLONS OF WATER. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE THE TANKER CAPABILITY. 
          IT'LL HAVE REAR TANDEM REAR AXLES, 1500 GALLONS PER MINUTE FIRE PUMP, WHICH IS PRETTY BIG FOR A TANKER. 
          IT'S GONNA BE MORE ON THE ENGINE COMPANY SIDE. 
          UM, IF SIMILAR HOSE LOADS AND DISCHARGES AS A REGULAR ENGINE, SHORTER WHEEL BASE, TOTAL COST, 1.5 MILLION. 
          THIS WILL COVER TRUCK AND ALL ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT THAT WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          THE QUOTE THAT WE GOT FROM PIERCE WAS ABOUT 1.291 FOR ABOUT 1.3 MILLION. 
          AND THE REST OF IT YOU'RE LOOKING AT EQUIPMENT REPLACING OUTDATED EQUIPMENT FOR THE TRUCK TO MAKING SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          OBVIOUSLY IN THE FOUR YEAR WINDOW, STUFF IS GONNA INCREASE IN COST. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA THERE TO BUY THE EXTRA EQUIPMENT TO REPLACE THE 20-YEAR-OLD HAND TOOLS, DRAFTING EQUIPMENT, NOZZLES AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A LIST OF OTHER ENGINE. 
          THE TANKERS THAT ARE COMING UP IN THE PLAN, AS YOU SEE LISTED, LISTED OUT, ALL OF THOSE WERE MOVED FORWARD TOO IN ORDER TO MEET THAT DEADLINE OR THAT 1,470 DAYS. 
          IF THEY SPEED IT UP AND GET QUICKER AND START PRODUCING TRUCKS, THEN WE CAN BACK THAT OFF AS WE GO INTO CIPS AND PUSH THAT BACK OUT A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO BE LIKE THAT TO MEET THAT DELIVERY TIME. 
          SO THAT'S TANKER FOUR. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON TANKER FOUR? ALRIGHT, I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS CARDIAC MONITOR. 
          SO ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT, ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT. 
          THIS REQUEST IS FOR REPLACEMENT OF OUTDATED CARDIAC MONITORS, DEFIBRILLATORS, AEDS, OR AUTOMATIC EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATORS AND MECHANICAL CPR MACHINES. 
          THIS WILL ALSO FUND THE PURCHASE OF TWO PORTABLE VENTILATORS TO PROPERLY OUTFIT ALL OF OUR AMBULANCES IN THE SYSTEM WITH VENTILATORS. 
          ALL OF OUR AMBULANCES DO NOT HAVE THE PORTABLE VENTILATOR. 
          THIS WILL BY TAKING THE VENTILATORS AND PUTTING 'EM IN THIS PURCHASE, GET US BETTER PRICE AT IT AND KIND OF GET US ALL THE EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT WE NEED ON ALL OF THE TRUCKS. 
          CURRENT CARDIAC MONITORS ARE 2016 TO 2017 MODELS AND HAVE REACHED THE AGE OF REPLACEMENT MANUFACTURE. 
          GUIDELINES FOR REPLACEMENT ARE EIGHT TO 10 YEARS AFTER 10 YEARS. 
          SERVICE CONTRACTS 
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ON EQUIPMENT ALSO BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE AND COVER LESS ON THE EQUIPMENT CARDIAC. 
          SO WE HAVE SIX CARDIAC MONITORS AT $52,745 A PIECE. 
          THAT'S A LOT FOR A CARDIAC MONITOR, ISN'T IT? YEAH, 10 AEDS AT $3,356 A PIECE. 
          THREE MECHANICAL CPR MACHINES AT $22,739 A PIECE AND TWO VENTILATORS AT 16,779 PIECE TOTAL FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT IS 417 317 AND I'M REQUESTING 418,000 TO HANDLE ANY INCREASES IN COSTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE I GOT THE QUOTE IN JANUARY. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T THINK IT'S, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THESE ARE VITAL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT FOR OUR AMBULANCES. 
          UM, WE USE THESE EVERY DAY. 
          SO TECHNICALLY IF YOU SEE AN AMBULANCE GOING UP IN THE ROAD SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT CARDIAC MONITOR WAS USED ON THAT PATIENT, IT COULD BE FOR THE PULSE OX, IT COULD BE FOR THE BLOOD PRESSURE CUFF, IT COULD BE FOR, UM, PUTTING EKG ON 'EM OR DOING A HEART RATE OR DEFIBRILLATING THE PATIENT. 
          SO THEY'RE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE, UM, UPDATED EQUIPMENT THERE. 
          AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE A CELL PHONE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES A LOT IN 10 YEARS. 
          SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THAT WE CAN DO WITH CARDIAC MONITORS NOW THAT WE COULDN'T DO BEFORE. 
          WE CAN ACTUALLY GO IN NOW AND DO OUR WIRELESS INTERNET ON THE TRUCKS. 
          WE CAN TRANSMIT CARDIAC, UM, HEART WAVES TO THE HOSPITAL FOR THE CATH UNIT TO LOOK AT AND MEET US AT THE DOOR AND TAKE 'EM TO THE CATH LAB. 
          SO WE DO A LOT OF NEAT STUFF THAT, UM, HAS, HAS COME ALONG. 
          SO THAT IS THE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT. 
          WE DO HAVE A, UM, ANOTHER REPLACEMENT IN FISCAL YEAR 31 I BELIEVE IT IS FOR MORE EQUIPMENT THAT IS THE REMAINDER OF OUR APP, OF OUR ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT. 
          THAT'LL BE TIMING OUT AT A LATER DATE. 
          SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER PRICE. 
          THAT WAS KIND OF A, UM, EXPECTED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, KIND OF GUESSING TOWARD WHAT IT'LL BE IN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW IN COST. 
          WELL, THAT'LL GET THE OTHER UNITS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT ARE NOT EXPIRING YET. 
          SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT WE BOUGHT WITH COVID FUNDS. 
          SO THAT ALLOWED US TO HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT THAT HAS SOME NEWER LIFE IN IT. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ADVANCED CARDIAC LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT? OKAY, THANK Y'ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, SO TODAY I WILL BE, UH, BRIEFLY TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, RIVER ROAD PROPERTY WALKING TRAIL. 
          AS YOU SEE ON THE, EXCUSE ME, AS YOU SEE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN LIST. 
          UH, THIS WILL BECOME FROM RESIDUALS, UH, FROM PREVIOUS, UH, PREVIOUS FUND BALANCE OF $88,000. 
          UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, UM, YOU ALL DO SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, UM, THERE, SO WORKING WITH THE ENGINEER, MR. FRANK, AND ALSO WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY. 
          UM, IT IS ABOUT OVER A HALF A MILE. 
          SO PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT, UM, IT WAS ABOUT, UH, EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE. 
          WE DO BELIEVE, AND I'M GONNA CONFIRM TOMORROW FROM DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY, UM, THAT THERE WAS A TYPO, BUT WORKING WITH MR. FRANK AND ALSO DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY WITH THE GI I'M NOT DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY, I'M SORRY, THE GIS ANALYST, THE ACTUAL DISTANCE OF THIS TRAIL WILL BE JUST A LITTLE, UM, OVER HALF A MILE. 
          UM, IT'LL BE A 10 FOOT WIDE TRAIL. 
          UM, WE'LL BE DOING MULCH HEAD ONLY TO TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, KEEP IT AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE, UM, WITH A GRAVEL LOT. 
          UM, AS WE STAND RIGHT NOW, JUST TO GIVE YOU, UM, A UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE. 
          SO WE ARE IN THE FORMAL BID PROCESS, UH, WITH PROCUREMENT. 
          UM, THE COUNTY ENGINEER, UM, HAS DRAWN UP A SCOPE OF WORK, UH, FOR THE PARKING LOT, UM, THAT IS ALSO GOING TO GO OUT FOR FORMAL BID. 
          SO I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT ON THE SLIDESHOW, BUT I DO HAVE THAT HERE IF YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          OR I CAN, UM, GET THAT OUT TO YOU ALL VIA EMAIL SO YOU ALL CAN TAKE A LOOK. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW IT IS STILL GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, UM, THROUGH VDOT. 
          UM, ALSO ONCE THE BID PROCESS IS, UH, COMPLETE, UM, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT TO SEE WHAT ELSE WE MAY NEED TO DO BEFORE WE ACTUALLY BREAK GROUND, GET STARTED AND, UM, SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, ALSO AT THIS TIME, IF, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DISTANCE, ANY SPECIFICS ABOUT THE TRAIL, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU. 
          IS IT GRAVEL OR SO IT'LL BE A GRAVEL LOT. 
          GRAVEL PARKING LOT. 
          I MEAN THE TRAIL ITSELF, NO. 
          SO IT'LL BE ALL, ALL MULCHED. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S NICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
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GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          SO THE, UH, THE ONE PROJECT WE HAVE FOR, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM ON FY 27 IS THE, UH, MIDWAY GYM FLOOR THAT WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE. 
          UM, THE REASON FOR REPLACING THIS FLOOR IS TWOFOLD. 
          ONE, IT'S THE LAST, UH, NON REALLY APPROVED SURFACE FOR A GYM FLOOR IN THE COUNTY THAT WE HAVE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. 
          UM, SOUTH SIDE, UH, SUNNYSIDE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS THE OTHER, IT WAS REPLACED TWO YEARS AGO. 
          IT WAS CARPETING, NOW IT'S MONDO FLOORING. 
          UH, MIDWAY IS TILE FLOOR. 
          IT'S A LAMINATE TILE LIKE YOU'D PUT IN YOUR KITCHEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. 
          THE O THE OTHER ISSUE IS IT'S PROBABLY, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE PULL IT UP, IT'S PROBABLY ENCAPSULATING ASBESTOS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UM, WE DID ADD THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT INTO THE PRICE OF THE, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THE FLOOR. 
          UH, THEY WILL BE PUTTING DOWN A MONDO FLOOR. 
          SO WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL PULL UP THE, PULL UP THE TILE, ABATE THE ASBE ASBESTOS, UH, PREPARE THE CONCRETE AND THEN PUT DOWN A MONDO FLOOR. 
          AND A MONDO FLOORING ESSENTIALLY IS, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN THE AUXILIARY GYM AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S ONE OF THOSE FLOORS THEY PUT DOWN THAT YOU, YOU BASICALLY CAN'T, JUST CAN'T MESS IT UP. 
          IT'S MADE FOR, YOU KNOW, HEAVY USE. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE NEED, UM, AT MIDWAY. 
          UM, UM, IT, IT, IT IS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET OUR GYM FLOORS, UH, SO THAT THESE KIDS CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO PLAY ON. 
          BUT IT ALSO GIVES THE, IT'LL GIVE THE, UH, COUNTY ANOTHER FACILITY TO USE BECAUSE THEN THE FLOOR IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THEM TO USE FOR CERTAIN ACTIVITIES THAT THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR. 
          SO THE REC PARKS REC DEPARTMENT. 
          SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO THIS IS ONE OF THE EASIER CIP YEARS. 
          THERE'S NOT, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PROJECTS TO, TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH. 
          UM, I WILL REFERENCE NEXT YEAR, YOU CAN SEE IN, IN FY 28. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THAT YEAR. 
          AND IF, IF THERE'S SOME POSSIBILITY, AGAIN, UH, DAVENPORT IS HELPING US LOOKING AT MODELING THAT 17.2 MILLION POTENTIALLY INTO 27. 
          IF NOT, WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT IN 28 AND CONTEND WITH THE GRANT FUNDING A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          UM, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT, THAT'S THE REPORT FOR TONIGHT. 
          UM, IF HOPEFULLY YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT A LOT OF TIME AND ATTENTION IS PUT INTO THE COUNTY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLANNING. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT APPROACH. 
          NOT EVERY JURISDICTION DOES THIS 10 YEAR PLANNING. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO HONE IN EACH YEAR TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, I THINK RELIABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER IT. 
          UH, THE MAIN GOAL HERE TONIGHT IS, IS SIMPLY TO, TO HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD, WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL OF THE FISCAL YEAR 27 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR, UH, 36 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UM, AS PRESENTED. 
          UH, BUT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE IN MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS THAT, THAT THE PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND PRIORITIES AND POLICIES OF THE, OF THE DENE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. 
          UH, AND REALLY KIND OF SUPPORTS THAT LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE AND ABILITY OF SERVICES THAT, THAT WE PROVIDE. 
          AND I HOPE THROUGH THE PROCESS YOU CAN FEEL THAT IT REFLECTS A, A PROCESS THAT IS, IS TRULY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND, UM, AN APPROACH TO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          BUT MORE, MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, IF ANY. 
          I DO HAVE ONE. 
          DO I DIDN'T KNOW IF JEFF WAS GONNA SPEAK ON IT OR NOT. 
          YOU MENTIONED THE 17 FOR THE SCHOOL IN 2028 TO 5 MILLION, THE MATCH HOSPITAL GRANT MATCHING GRANT. 
          IF THEY SAY THAT WE CAN BORROW THE MONEY FOR BOTH, DO YOU PLAN ON DOING THEM BOTH IN 27 OR? YEAH, SO THE, SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS WITH THE SCAP GRANT AND I, I, I HATE USING ACRONYMS 'CAUSE THEN I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT IT STANDS FOR. 
          ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SO IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, MO MOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT FUNDING AT ONE TIME, THERE ARE SOME STIPULATIONS ON HIS SIDE AS FAR AS HOW THE WORK WOULD GET STARTED. 
          AND I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME EXPECTATIONS WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT, THAT MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO THEY GOT, KINDA GOT TWO STEPS, MR. LANGLEY. 
          ONE WOULD BE FIRST CAN IT BE DONE IF IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT ANY TAX IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE, UH, LAST NIGHT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SET THE TAX RATES FOR 
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THE UPCOMING YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S DONE. 
          SO WE WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC. 
          SO IF IT CAN'T BE DONE WITHIN THE CURRENT TAX STRUCTURE, UH, THEN IT COULDN'T BE DONE. 
          BUT IF IT COULD, THE NEXT TEST WOULD BE LOOKING TO THE SCHOOLS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROPRIATE TIMELINE WITH THE STATE TO GO AHEAD AND INITIATE THE PROJECT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE GRANT. 
          AND IF IT CAN'T BE DONE, UH, THEN THERE'S A LETTER THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE FILED WITH THE STATE TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE $5 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT ULTIMATELY CAN'T BE ACHIEVED, THEN THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO SURRENDER THE 5 MILLION AND APPLY FOR A GRANT AT A FUTURE DATE WHEN CONSTRUCTION IS MORE, UH, MORE YEAH. 
          MORE CLOSE TO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION TIME. 
          AM I RIGHT JEFF IN THAT? THAT'S YES SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION? I HAVE ONE SURE. 
          OR A COUPLE MAYBE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS MORE PERSONAL PROBABLY THAN PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT, UM, I JUST NOTICED EXTENSION WASN'T ONE HERE. 
          I KNOW AT ONE POINT WE WERE IS IS THAT NOT BEING SO AT ONE TIME, AND MS. COLLINS MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT AT ONE TIME THERE WAS AN AG CENTER, I BELIEVE IS WHAT WE WERE REFERRING TO IT AS. 
          SO IT WAS A COMBINATION BUILDING BETWEEN, UM, THE AG ALL OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT ARE CURRENT  USDA. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AS WELL AS A WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT CENTER. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT REQUEST AS IT WAS PRESENTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WAS ASKED TO BE TAKEN OFF OF THE YEAH. 
          AND, AND THE MAIN WORKS BUILDING THAT IS THERE NOW, UM, IT'S, BUT IT'S PROJECTED IN THE PARK FUTURE TO BE DONE IN COLLABORATION WITH SOME OTHER AG USE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          AND THE, YEAH, SO IT WAS A GOOD CONCEPT. 
          THE CONCEPT WAS PUTTING ALL THE AG RELATED MM-HMM . 
          TOGETHER. 
          AND ONE OF THE, THE MAJOR FLAWS OF THAT, AND PROBABLY THE REASON THAT IT WAS ASKED TO BE TAKEN OFF BY MR. PARRISH WAS, UH, THERE WAS, UH, NO SPECIFIC LOCATION TO WHERE IT WAS TO BE BUILT. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE LOCATION, IT'S HARD TO, TO KEEP THE PROJECT ON THE LIST. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT COULD ALWAYS COME BACK IF, IF MAYBE A LOCATION COULD BE DETERMINED TO WHERE, WHERE IT WAS TO BE. 
          THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT OF JEFF, MY MIND ESCAPES ME. 
          WHAT WAS THE FACILITY? THE LAND LAB. 
          THE LAND LAB FACILITY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, THEN THERE WAS SOME CONCERN, CONCERNS FROM THE FARMING COMMUNITY THAT THEY MAY NOT WANT TO DRIVE TO THE LAND LAB FOR THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES WHEN THIS WAS MORE CONVENIENT. 
          SO WE SAID WE WOULD TAKE IT OFF. 
          IF WE CAN FIND A BETTER SITE FOR IT, WE CAN, WE CAN PUT IT BACK ON ONE DAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MY, MY OTHER QUESTION PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK, BUT, UH, IT'S BEEN ON MY MIND AND YOU'RE IN FRONT OF ME, SO I'M GONNA ASK SURE. 
          LET'S DO IT. 
          . 
          UM, ON THE FLIP SIDE, THIS IS ABOUT MONEY MAKING, UM, FOR THE COUNTY HAS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LAND THE COUNTY CURRENTLY OWNS, BUT I DRIVE, UM, WELL I, WE HAVE THE RANGE AT THE LANDFILL AND I, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE RECENTLY. 
          UM, AND THERE'S ALL THOSE TREES BACK THERE. 
          HAVE THERE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE FOR THE COUNTY TO DO A LAND MANAGEMENT PLAN AND LIKE HARVEST THAT TIMBER INCREMENTALLY AND REPLANT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LONG TERM POTENTIALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE ACTUALLY, UM, HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TIMBER COUNTY PROPERTIES FROM TIME TO TIME MM-HMM . 
          AND, UH, WE, WE HAVE DONE THE HART ROAD SITE, WE DID SOME SCHOOL PROPERTY SITES. 
          SO WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, WE TRY TO HARVEST THE TREES FOR IT. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE LANDFILL HAD BEEN HARVESTED AT ONE TIME YEARS AGO. 
          UH, BUT WE GENERALLY HAVE THE FORESTRY DEPARTMENT LOOK AT IT AND WHEN THEY CAN MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE, THEN WE'LL GO OUT AND GET, UM, PROFESSIONAL ASSISTANCE TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY WE CAN ACTUALLY GET FOR THE TREES. 
          UH, BUT THEN THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF DEVELOP THE, THE PROCESS FOR THAT. 
          AND EQUALLY, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION ON THE MONEYMAKING SIDE. 
          UH, SOMETIMES THE COUNTY ACQUIRES PROPERTY OR WE HAVE PROPERTY THAT, UH, MAY BE BETTER. 
          'CAUSE EVERY TIME WE OWN IT, IT'S NOT ON THE TAX ROLLS. 
          SO IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO SELL COUNTY PROPERTY OR RESIDUAL PIECES OF PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH OUR SCHOOLS AND, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER ASSETS WE HAVE, WE HAVE MORE PROPERTY THAN MAYBE WE NEED. 
          UM, BUT ONE DAY I GUESS THE THOUGHT IS WE MIGHT NEED IT. 
          SO THERE'S A QUESTION OF HOW LONG TO HOLD ONTO IT AND WHAT TO SELL, UH, FOR THAT. 
          SO A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE NORTH SIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHERE IT WAS LOCATED AND AT SOME POINT THAT 
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PROPERTY PROBABLY IS, IS NOT, NOT SERVING THE PUBLIC IN ANY GOOD WAY AND COULD BE SOLD. 
          SO WE'RE, WE ALSO LOOK AT THOSE, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND OUR WATER AUTHORITY FOR SOME REASON HAS A LOT OF PROPERTY TOO. 
          SO WE, WE LOOK AT THAT ON A REOCCURRING BASIS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THIS PROBABLY ISN'T POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S FEDERAL LAND, BUT I SEE FIVE FORKS, YOU KNOW, IN HOW MUCH THAT IS UNDERUTILIZED IN SOME WAY. 
          AND THOSE TREES ARE JUST DYING BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A LIFESPAN THEY DO AND FALLING OVER AND IT ALMOST BECOMES A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNTY CAN LIKE, ASK  THEM, LIKE, HEY, CAN WE HARVEST THIS? I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I KNOW THEY'VE GOT A LOT ON THEIR PLATE. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A TIMBER MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE'LL HAVE TO ASK THE NEW SUPERINTENDENT OF THE PARK SYSTEM, MRS. DECODER, UH, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S LOOKED AT. 
          YOU KNOW, MOST RECENTLY LAST YEAR, THE COUNTY IN COLLABORATION WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IN OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS GENERAL SERVICE KIND OF COLLABORATED JUST TO KEEP IT OPEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO EXTEND SOME, SOME OPERATING HOURS THERE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A TREMENDOUS ASSET AND THERE'S NO REASON IT SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T BE OPEN LONGER. 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF ON THE HOOK TO OF CLEANING UP THE TRAILS AND SO IF, IF THE TREES CAN BE THINNED OR, OR, OR CUT THAT, THAT'S A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT . 
          ANY OTHER WAYS TO MAKE MONEY, LET US KNOW. 
          WE'LL  WE'LL LOOK AT IT. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR PRESENTING TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS. 
          AND, UM, I HAD A CHANCE TO ASK THESE GUYS A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, SO I WAS VERY FASCINATED BY A LOT OF ASPECTS OF THAT. 
          I THINK, I THINK THE, UH, FIRE AND EMS REPLACEMENT PLAN REALLY FASCINATED ME THE MOST. 
          HOW, YOU KNOW, THE 1,470 DAYS YOU SPOKE OF AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, ALSO SOME OF THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION TOO. 
          SO, UM, I HAD A CHANCE TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND LIKE MR. MASSENGILL SAID, I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE IN REPRESENTING YOU ALL THAT THEY TOOK INTO ACCOUNT OF OUR, A LOT OF OUR LAND USE, UH, UH, THINKING. 
          UH, FOR INSTANCE, THE TRAIL THAT WAS PROPOSED AT RIVER ROAD IS KIND OF REFLECTIVE OF WHERE A LOT OF OUR POPULATION CENTER IS AND RESIDENTIAL POPULATION. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME OTHER ITEMS ON HERE RELATED TO THAT, THAT WEREN'T COVERED IN OUT YEARS, BUT I DO FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE ABOUT, ABOUT THAT, THAT THEY TOOK A REALLY GOOD GANDER AT THAT. 
          AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. 
          YES SIR. 
          I, SO, UM, IF ANYBODY, UH, THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WOULD ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. 
          I MOTION TO APPROVE THE CIB THAT WAS PRESENT TO US TONIGHT TO THE BOARD SUPERVISOR FOR APPROVAL. 
          YES. 
          THAT GOOD MR. SIMMONS? YES. 
          MR. BISHOP. 
          AYE. 
          MR. TAYLOR? YES. 
          MR. BLE? YES. 
          LANGLEY AYE. 
          AND MR. HAYES? YES. 
          SIX MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING. 
          AYE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, UM, WE'LL GET YOU COPIES AGAIN WHEN IT'S FINALIZED. 
          AND I, I JUST WANT YOU, WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH LAND USE DECISIONS, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE CAPITAL NEEDS OF THE COUNTY. 
          AND AS PROJECTS COME BEFORE YOU, YOU CAN KEEP THEM IN MIND. 
          AND SO THAT'S ONE REASON THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE A PART IN THIS PROCESS AND WHY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES IT. 
          BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE. 
          UH, MR. BASSETT, DO YOU HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS FOR US? I HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND THEN, UH, 
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I'LL LOOK TO YOU FOR ITEM NUMBER 10. 
          UH, NEW BUSINESS. 
          JUST, UH, ONE ITEM. 
          OUR UPCOMING MEETING IN MAY, WE ARE WORKING WITH ONE APPLICANT ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DIESEL REPAIR, UH, TRUCK SHOP BUSINESS ON THE, WHAT WAS FORMALLY THE BT R GRAVE PROPERTY OFF OF COURTHOUSE ROAD HERE IN THE, UH, COURTHOUSE AREA. 
          UM, WE WILL BE ADVERTISING THAT FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SO WE WILL HAVE THAT CASE FOR YOU AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. 
          UH, ONE THING I'LL ADD TO THAT IN CASE ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, UH, WE HAD A CASE LAST YEAR WITH A CELL PHONE TOWER IN THE SOUTHWEST AND PART OF THE COUNTY. 
          LONG STORY SHORT, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, UM, CHOSEN A DIFFERENT SITE AND, UH, INVITED ME TO A BALLOON TEST NEXT THURSDAY. 
          SO I'VE, I, I'VE SEEN THE RESULT IN PHOTOGRAPHS AND WHATNOT, BUT I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY BEEN THERE FOR THE ASCENDANCY OF THE BALLOON, SO, OH WOW. 
          IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN COMING OUT TOWARD VILLES WAY ON THURSDAY, LET ME KNOW. 
          UH, THERE'S A BALLOON TEST FOR A CELL PHONE TOWER 
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AND I EXPECT, WOULDN'T YOU SAY THAT'S PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS? I, BASED ON PRIOR TO YEAH. 
          WHAT HE INDICATED. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, THE APPLICANT, I GIVE 'EM A LOT OF CREDIT, THEY REALLY WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY LAST YEAR, SO I THINK IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD ONE. 
          THEY'RE NEIGHBORLY LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UH, AS MARK SAID, THEY'LL PROBABLY BE COMING BACK. 
          ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE A BALLOON TEST? LET ME KNOW. 
          , UM, ITEM NUMBER 11, 
          [11. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? UH, ANY, ANYBODY, UH, HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE TONIGHT? NOPE. 
          I'LL, I'LL SHARE. 
          I WENT TO THE CLASS , WHICH WAS REALLY GOOD. 
          I KNOW YOU ASKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, THE MOST SHOCKING THING TO ME WAS LIKE NOBODY KNEW WHERE DENWITTY WAS, SO WE GOTTA WORK ON THAT . 
          BUT, WHICH I GUESS BECAUSE OF MY JOB I GENERALLY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHERE LOCALITIES ARE IN THE STATE, BUT, UM, I WAS SURPRISED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT DENWITTY WAS REALLY FAR AWAY AND THAT I HAD TO STAY OVERNIGHT. 
          UM, BUT IT, A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT A LOT OF, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION NURSE WERE DEALING WITH IN THEIR LOCALITIES, SIMILAR TO WHAT I THINK WE MIGHT STRUGGLE WITH IN MY LITTLE EXPERIENCE, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, THE KEEPING THE RURAL ASPECT OF DENWITTY BUT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE GROWTH AND WE DO NEED SOME GROWTH. 
          UM, AND I KNOW I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. LEE AT ONE POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY MOVEMENT TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE, UM, MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR ACREAGE TO LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SPLITTING, YOU KNOW, SPLITTING THEIR LAND UP MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND BEING TOLD THAT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE WE HAVE CERTAIN MINIMUMS. UM, AND JUST THE CONVERSATION OF LIKE, WELL WE'RE TAKING IN A HUNDRED ACRE PLOT OF LAND, THAT'S GREAT. 
          TIMBERLAND IS CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR CROPS OR WHATEVER, AND CUTTING THAT INTO LARGER PARCELS INSTEAD OF PRESERVING A CERTAIN PORTION OF THAT TO STILL BE USED AND HAVING SMALLER PARCELS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH SOMETIMES EVEN FIVE ACRES. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING MR. LEE HAS BROUGHT UP. 
          HE HAS MENTIONED IT. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY WORKSHOPS ON THAT YET, BUT HE HAS MENTIONED THAT. 
          YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS, BUT JUST  KIND OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD SIMILAR, UM, CONCERNS, I GUESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND BEING, AND I, I DON'T LIKE TO ADMIT THIS, BUT BEING A COME HERE NOT A, FROM HERE, UH, , UM, AND COMING FROM A PLACE LIKE CHESTERFIELD, UM, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A TERM FOR IT, THE ROAD, ROAD STRIPPING, IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? RIGHT? WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING SO MANY HOUSES ON THE ROAD THAT ULTIMATELY IS CAUSING PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF A SUBDIVISION WHERE HOUSES ARE BACKED UP TO THE ROAD AND THEY HAVE A SEPARATE ROAD COMING IN. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT I'M DRIVING DOWN LIKE COURTHOUSE ROAD AND I'M LIKE, OH, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THESE HOUSES ARE REALLY ALL ALONG THE ROAD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S JUST, IT DEFINITELY OPENED MY EYES TO A LOT MORE OF THAT. 
          SO I WAS GLAD TO GO AND DO THAT CLASS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? MARK, I JUST WANT TO ADD MM-HMM . 
          DID WE EVER, DID THE GUY EVER GET NEW DRAWING PLANS FOR HIS TRUCKING THING OFF OF SIMPSON? THE TREES VARIANCE? UM, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH 'EM. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING NEW YET. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE I WENT BY THAT I NOTICED THEY'VE DONE NOTHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS WHAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY HAVEN'T TURNED IN ANY, UM, UPDATES TO THE PLANS OR AMENDMENTS TO THE PLANTS, SO, BUT WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD DO AND WHAT YOU ALL AGREED TO THAT EVENING, SO, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE TO YOUR POINT ABOUT FOLKS NOT KNOWING WHERE IT DID WITH YOU? IS I, MY RE MY BUSINESS, I GO ALL OVER THE COMMONWEALTH AND, UH, JUST AS RE AND, AND I HAD THE SAME REACTION AND AS RECENTLY AS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I WAS IN FALSE CHURCH AND I COULDN'T EVEN GET PEOPLE TO KNOW WHERE RICHMOND WAS. 
          I JUST GAVE UP  THAT'S, I CALL THAT THE NOVA ROBA SYNDROME. 
          UM, SO, UM, NO OTHER PLANNING DIRECT OR SORRY, NO OTHER COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS. 
          UH, MR. BASSETT, ANYTHING FROM YOUR END ON ITEM 12? NO, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO 
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NO OTHER, YEAH. 
          VIRGINIA. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? A WE ADJOURNED.
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