* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I'D LIKE TO [1. CALL TO ORDER] CALL OUR, UH, JUNE MEETING, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. AND OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS LET'S PLEASE STAND AND RECITE THE PLEDGE OF LEASES. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMEN. ALRIGHT, ROLL CALL. MR. GURLEY. MR. TUS? HERE. MR. SIMMONS? HERE. MR. TAYLOR? HERE. MR. LANGLEY HERE. AND MR. HAYES HERE. FIVE MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. ALRIGHT. [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ] YOU GUYS HAVE, UM, HAVE SEEN THE AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY OR THE STAFF OR ANYONE ELSE HAVE, UH, ANY CHANGES TO RECOMMEND OR ARE WE GOOD TO GO TO, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS SHOWN? UH, STAFF HAS NO RECOMMENDED CHANGES. MR. CHAIR MOTIONS, GO AHEAD. I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE IT AS WRITTEN. I'LL SECOND THAT. MR. TUS? AYE. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. TAYLOR? YES. MR. LANGLEY? AYE. AND MR. HAYES? YES. FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING A. [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ] ALRIGHT. ITEM FIVE. UH, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, TAKE A GANDER AT THE MAY MINUTES THAT WE HAD FROM OUR REGULAR MEETING. ANY CORRECTIONS COMMENTS OR IF NOT A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SHOWN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. MR. TUS? AYE. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. TAYLOR? YES. MR. LANGLEY? AYE. AND MR. HAYES? YES. FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING? AYE. ALRIGHT, THANK Y'ALL. UM, ITEM SIX IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. THIS IS FOR ANY GENERAL COMMENTS, UH, NOT RELATED TO ANY OF THE CASES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, FIRST OFF, ASK MR. GURLEY, ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AT THE REGULAR CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO. MR. CHAIR. AND JUST KIND OF LOOKING OUT ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN SPEAKING UP ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN RELATED TO A SPECIFIC CASE. OKAY. WELL, WITH THAT IN MIND, WE'LL [7. PUBLIC HEARING] GO TO THE MEAT OF OUR AGENDA, OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND OUR FIRST CASE THIS EVENING IS, UH, CASE P DASH 26 DASH TWO. GOOD EVENING, MS. CHAIR. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. AS YOU INDICATED, THIS IS REZONING REQUEST PE 26 DASH TWO. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON OUR, UM, SLIDE THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING, OUR LOCATION SLIDE, UH, THE APPLICANT MR. GREENWOOD, IS REQUESTING TO REZONE, UH, FOUR PARCELS OFF OF NOT AWAY AVENUE. UM, ASKING TO REZONE THOSE FROM RESIDENTIAL LIMITED R ONE TO RESIDENTIAL URBAN RU. UM, YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH, UM, WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE, UH, OF THESE SIMILAR REZONING REQUESTS, UH, SINCE 2016. SEVERAL OF THOSE, UH, THROUGH 2025. AND THIS IS A, UH, SIMILAR REQUEST. UH, MR. GREENWOOD WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A NEW HOME ON THOSE FOUR LOTS AND OF COURSE HE HAS TO IN ORDER TO MEET THE BUILDING SETBACKS AND, UM, UH, MAINLY THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE. UM, IN THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPERTY WOULD NEED TO BE REZONED TO RU AND THOSE FOUR LOTS COMBINED INTO ONE LOT IN ORDER AGAIN TO MEET THE BUILDING SETBACKS, UH, FOR THE HOME THAT HE'S PROPOSED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AS YOU WERE AWARE, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE, WHAT WE CALL THE TOWN CENTER AREA. AND AS SUCH, THE GENERAL AREA IS EXPECTED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE DEITY COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, THE PUBLIC SYSTEM. AND, UH, IN PAST CASES WE HAVE INFORMED THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE AUTHORITY HAS INDICATED THAT THEY HAVE, UM, ADEQUATE SUPPLY, UH, WATER AND SEWER IN THE AREA AND THE AREA IS A [00:05:01] GOOD AREA FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL GROWTH RELATED TO THEIR, THE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM. UH, TRANSPORTATION. VDOT DIDN'T HAVE ANY, UH, REAL COMMENTS OTHER THAN THEIR DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE WOULD HAVE TO MEET THEIR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. UH, FOR THE DRIVEWAY. UH, STAFF THIS EVENING IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, GIVEN THAT THE RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. ADDITIONALLY, THE RU ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING LOTS WITHIN THE URBAN AREA, INCLUDING THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD. THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION, RESIDENTIAL URBAN RU CONFORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THIS GENERAL AREA HAS SET, HAS SET FORTH IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE RELATED TO OUR STAFF REPORT. BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. WELL, THANK YOU, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? I WILL. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO, UH, COME UP AND SPEAK? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YEAH. OH, SORRY. I'M, I APOLOGIZE YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU DID OR NOT. IT'S UP TO YOU. I'LL HAVE, OH, NO. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. UM, ALRIGHT, WITH THAT IN MIND, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP OUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE. UM, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? ANYONE FOR THIS CASE? UH, REGARDING WHAT MR. BASSETT JUST EXPLAINED ON P DASH 26 DASH TWO. OKAY. SO ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS OR ANY DISCUSSION OR MAKE A MOTION OR I'LL MAKE A MOTION. DO YOU WANT CLOSE? YOU'RE PUBLIC. I THOUGHT I DID, BUT IF I DID NOT DISCLOSE NOW. ALL GOOD. ALRIGHT. BE RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6 A SEVEN, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT REZONING P DASH 26 DASH TWO AS PRESENTED, BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I'LL SECOND THAT. MR. CHAIR. MR. TAYLOR? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. TUS? YES. MR. LANGLEY? YES. AND MR. HAYES? YES. FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING AYE. ALRIGHT. UH, NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, UH, TO TALK ABOUT MR. BASSETT, YOUR, UH, UP AGAIN, I GUESS FOR C DASH 26 DASH THREE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, MS. ANGELA MEADOWS. UM, THEY'RE HERE AS WELL THIS EVENING TO REPRESENT THE APPLICATION. UH, THEY REQUEST IS TO OPERATE AN AUTOMOBILE REPAIR BUSINESS SCREENED FROM VIEW AND 200 FEET FROM STATE AND ROAD RIGHT AWAY IN THE A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL DISTRICT. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AT 1 2 1 1 16, A LIFT DRIVE IN CHURCH ROAD, VIRGINIA. UM, JUST AS INFORMATION, A LIFT DRIVE IS ONE OF THE OLD, UH, PRIVATE ROADS, UH, THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP, UM, MANY YEARS AGO IN THE COUNTY. NOW, UM, PRIVATE ROAD SUBDIVISIONS ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED, BUT IT, THIS WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PRIVATE ROAD SUBDIVISIONS, UM, THAT, THAT WERE ALLOWED TO BE DEVELOPED AS I INDICATED MANY YEARS AGO IN, IN THE COUNTY. UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INCLUDES, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, OF COURSE, AS PART OF THE, UM, PRIVATE ROAD SUBDIVISION, UM, SHOP BUILDINGS, STORAGE BUILDINGS, OPEN SPACE AREA. ALL THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, ARE ALSO OWNED A TWO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL. AND OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, TO THE REAR AND THEN, UH, NORTH AND WEST OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THAT IS ALL, UM, FORESTAL LAND USE. UM, LOOKING AT THE IMPACTS, OF COURSE, ANY, UH, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER IS, UM, AVAILABLE [00:10:01] ON SITE THROUGH WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. UM, PUBLIC SAFETY AND COMMUNITY ISSUES, UM, ARE MINIMIZED BY THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PERMIT. WE DID PROPOSED CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR YOU ALL THIS EVENING. UH, VDOT LOOKED AT THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. OF COURSE, THEY HAVE NO, UH, MAINTENANCE OR JURISDICTION OVER PRIVATE ROADS. UM, BUT THEY DID LOOK AT THE PRIVATE ROAD ENTRANCE OUT AT UM, TRINITY CHURCH ROAD AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. UM, I WILL GO OVER AT THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, UH, THAT STAFF IS PREPARED, UH, FOR THE PLANNING MISSION TO USE AS A GUIDE, AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UM, ONE, THE USE SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE REPAIR OF AUTOMOBILES WHEN SCREENED FROM VIEW WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS IDENTIFIED IN THE LAND USE AMENDMENT APPLICATION. BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE BUSINESS REPAIRING AUTOMOBILES SHALL MEET THE APPLICABLE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS AS SET FORTH IN THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE AS AMENDED AND BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS AS SET FORTH IN THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE AS AMENDED. UH, THREE, ALL VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHALL MEET VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. FOUR. THE PROPERTY SHALL MEET ALL REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS AS REQUIRED BY TRA CHAPTER 22 OF THE DE COUNTY CODE IS AMENDED. OF COURSE, THAT IS OUR, UH, DEITY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE. FIVE SITE LIGHTING SHALL BE IN, IF INSTALLED, SHALL BE DIRECTED DOWNWARD AND INWARD TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO PRESERVE THE NIGHT SKY AND SHALL NOT DIRECT DIRECTLY CAST LIGHT ONTO ADJOINING PROPERTIES. ALL OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE REPAIR OF AUTOMOBILES SHALL BE CONDUCTED BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 7:00 AM AND 10:00 PM ALL REPAIR AND OR STORAGE OF AUTOMOBILES WILL EITHER BE CONDUCTED INDOORS OR SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW. EIGHT. ALL ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE REPAIR AND OR STORAGE OF AUTOMOBILES. AUTOMOBILES EQUIPMENT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL CODES. AND NINE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, WOULD BE REVIEWED, UM, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. ANY FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THE CONDITIONS MAY RESULT IN LEGAL ACTION BY THE COUNTY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UH, FOR YOU THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS. I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF Y'ALL? I GOT A QUESTION. IT COMES TO, UH, NUMBER SEVEN. UNDER THE CONDITIONS ALL REPAIR AND STORAGE OF AUTOMOBILES WILL EITHER BE CONDUCTED INDOORS OR SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO ON THIS IS HOW MANY STORED VEHICLES IS CONSIDERED TOO MANY? YEAH. WHAT WE HAVE IN THE, UH, DEITY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE CURRENTLY IS, UM, INOPERABLE VEHICLES. RIGHT. ARE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BAYS THAT YOU HAVE, UM, FOR REPAIRING VEHICLES IN YOUR, UH, BUILDING THAT YOU HAVE FOR REPAIRING VEHICLES. FROM WHAT I COULD TELL ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT LOOKED LIKE THEY HAD FOUR BAYS, I BELIEVE, UH, IN THE GARAGE AREA. SO, UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAID YOU CAN HAVE FIVE INOPERABLE VEHICLES PER BAY UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 15. SO ON THIS PROPERTY YOU COULD HAVE UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 15 INOPERABLE VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO IT GOES BACK TO THE ORDINANCE AS OPPOSED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. RIGHT, RIGHT. TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF STORED CARS RIGHT. ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO I I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE IS, UM, I THINK YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER TODAY, TALKING ABOUT A CASE THAT GOES BACK A NUMBER OF YEARS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SIMILAR ONES. WE HAVE. YEAH, YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED A VERIFICATION THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER APPROVED CASES. YES, WE DID USE THOSE PREVIOUS CASES AS A TEMPLATE FOR THIS ONE. SO THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR. YEAH, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PRIVATE ROAD, WHICH I DETEST AND I'M GLAD WE DON'T WANT, WE TRY TO GET RID OF THOSE THINGS, BUT, UM, I TAKE IT THAT THE FIVE ENTITIES YOU SPEAK OF ARE ALL TAKEN, UH, UH, HAVE JOINT RESPONSIBILITY [00:15:01] FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT. THAT'S, YES, THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING. SO WHEN DDOT IS ASKING FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE AT THE END OF THAT WITH, UH, THE STATE ROAD, UM, I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S A, UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE OUR CONDITION, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A, SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT THAT THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD, WOULD BE. DO YOU KNOW IF AN APPLICANT HAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT MAINTAINING THAT PORTION OF IT ALONE AS OPPOSED TO JOINTLY WITH THE OTHER FIVE? THAT'S, I I DO NOT, I HAVE NOT, I'LL SAY TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT. OKAY. RIGHT. MARK NUMBER TWO, UH, THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION THAT, IS THAT CONSISTENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE HAVE TO MEET ALL THE STATE? NO, NOT THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. NO, I MEAN, I, SINCE, SINCE IT WOULD BECOME A, A BUSINESS, I BELIEVE THE FIRE MARSHAL COULD DO AN INSPECTION ON THE PROPERTY SINCE IT WOULD BE AN ACTIVE BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY. UM, SO OF COURSE I'M SURE THEY WOULD, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THE REPAIR OF AUTOMOBILES, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, I'M SURE MEET FIRE CODE RELATED TO WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING AS FAR AS THEIR REPAIRS THERE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD A SPRAY BOOTH, PAINT BOOTH THAT REQUIRES CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE FIRE CODE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE DOING THAT, BUT IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CERTAINLY MEET FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CASE? THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING UP. UH, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, JUST STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR OUR MINUTES. ANGELA MEADOWS. 1 2 1 1 6 ALIFT DRIVE CHURCH ROAD, TIMOTHY MEADOWS, 1 2 1 1 6 ALIFT DRIVE. UH, WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD, BUT WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD OR COULDN'T GET ANSWERED TO WHEREVER WE WERE AT? I, I WAS, I, YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE, UH, ENTRANCE. YEAH. THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS I'VE, I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WITH PRIVATE ROADS WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING AGREEMENT, I ASSUME Y'ALL HAVE WITH THE, YOU DON'T, THERE'S NO AGREEMENT WHATSOEVER. I MAINTAINED THE ROAD AND SINCE WE'VE MOVED THERE SIX YEARS, I GOTCHA. NO HELP WITH NO OTHER RESIDENCE ON THAT PROPERTY. I, I WELL I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE ARE, UH, THERE ARE AT LEAST FOUR OTHER PROPERTIES THAT USE THE ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. WE JUST DON'T ASK 'EM FOR ANYTHING. WE DO ALL THE GRAVEL. OKAY. I HAVE MY, THE TRACTOR. I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE TRACTOR. I UNDERSTAND. SO WE TAKE CARE OF IT. YEAH, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE, 'CAUSE I I, THAT, THAT, THAT COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE IS GONNA REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE, BUT IF YOU'RE DOING IT ALL YOURSELF, THAT'S FINE AND AS LONG AS YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE FINE WITH THAT, I GUESS MAYBE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY'S HERE TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I'LL ASK THEM THAT IF THEY ARE, BUT OKAY. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING. RIGHT. AND THAT'S FINE. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. HOW MANY DAYS A WEEK WOULD YOU BE RUNNING YOUR SHOP? UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I'M ON DISABILITY, SO I DON'T WORK A WHOLE LOT . OKAY. UM, BUT I WAS ASSUMING MAYBE, UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY IF IT WARRANTS KIND OF A FOLLOW UP TO THAT. IS THERE A REASON THAT'S NOT A CONDITION OR WAS THAT EVER, WAS THAT A DISCUSSION POINT? YEAH, AS, AS WE'VE USED, UM, PAST CASES AS A TEMPLATE. OKAY. WE DIDN'T HAVE DAYS OKAY. IN THERE. THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD ENTERTAIN AS A CONDITION. IS THAT A CONCERN YOU HAD? YEAH, IT WAS JUST, 'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE GO TO CHURCH AND THEY SLEEP IN ON SUNDAY, SO I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINK A LOT OF NOISE AND STUFF ON SUNDAYS. WELL, THE GOOD THING IS WE'RE IN THE BACK OF NOWHERE, . OKAY. I THINK OUR CLOSEST HOUSE IS FOUR OR 500 FEET AWAY IF THAT, I MEAN, IT'S, WE'RE LITERALLY AND ALL YOUR WORK WILL BE CONDUCTED IN THE INSIDE OF YOUR BUILDING? YES. I HAVE A FOUR, UH, 30 BY 80 BILL THAT I ERECTED WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO? THREE, FOUR? I DON'T REMEMBER. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK Y'ALL BOTH. UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE. UH, C DASH 26 DASH THREE. MR. GURLEY, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK AT THIS ONE? TRACY DAVIS? YES, MA'AM. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND REPEATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR OUR MINUTES. YES. MY, MY NAME IS TRACY DAVIS. I LIVE AT 1 1 2 1 2 0 [00:20:02] A LIFT DRIVE. AND I WANTED TO, UM, SAY A COUPLE WORDS. I WANTED TO READ SOMETHING THAT I PREPARED. UM, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE DIY COUNTY ZONING BOARD. MY NAME IS TRACY AND I HAVE LIVED ON ALET DRIVE FOR 31 YEARS. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO RE RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THE REQUESTING ZONE OF WAIVER. ALA DRIVE IS A SMALL, PRIVATE GRAVEL ROAD SERVING ONLY FIVE HOMES FOR MORE THAN THREE DECADES. IT WAS A QUIET RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE NEIGHBORS KNOW ONE ANOTHER AND FAMILIES HAVE ENJOYED SAFE PLACE TO LIVE. MY FAMILY CHOSE THIS LOCATION SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF ITS PEACEFUL SETTING AND LOW TRAFFIC AND RURAL CHARACTER. I RAISED MY THREE CHILDREN HERE. ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT I VALUE MOST WAS BEING ABLE TO LET MY CHILDREN PLAY OUTSIDE IN THE SAFE ENVIRONMENT WITHOUT THE CONSTANT CONCERN OF TRAFFIC. IT WAS THE TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE FAMILIES COULD ENJOY THE OUTDOORS AND WHERE CHILDREN COULD SAFELY RIDE BIKES, PLAY IN THE YARD, AND GROW UP IN THE RURAL COMMUNITY. SINCE AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR BUSINESS BEGAN OPERATING FROM A RESIDENCE ON OUR PRIVATE ROAD, THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. CUSTOMERS, VEHICLES TRAVEL UP AND DOWN ALIFT TRAIL THROUGHOUT THE DAY, CREATING A LEVEL OF TRAFFIC THAT NEVER EXISTED BEFORE. WHAT WAS ONCE A QUIET RESIDENTIAL ROAD. NOW, NOW EXPERIENCES COMMERCIAL RELATED TRAFFIC ON A REGULAR BASIS, DOES INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, HAS TAKEN AWAY MUCH OF THE SENSE OF SAFETY AND PEACE OF THE RESIDENCE THAT HAVE ENJOYED FOR DECADES. ROAD WAS NEVER INTENDED TO FUNCTION AS A ACCESS TO A COMMERCIAL OPERATION. IT'S A PRIVATE GRAVEL DRIVE SERVING A HANDFUL OF HOMES, NOT A BUSINESS CORRIDOR. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN OUR AGRICULTURAL AREA AND RESIDENCE PURCHASED HOMES HERE WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE RURAL AND RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE PRE PRESERVED. GRANTING THIS WAIVER WOULD ALLOW A COMMERCIAL USE THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THEIR SURROUNDING AREA AND COULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY OR SIMILAR RULE OF RESIDENTIAL ROADS. IN ADDITION TO TRAFFIC CONCERNS, AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR BUSINESSES INVOLVE VEHICLES, FLUIDS, OILS, AND OTHER MATERIALS THAT RAISE REASONABLE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS TYPE OF OPERATION IS APPROPRIATE WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY. I'M NOT ASKING THE BOARD TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM MAKING A LIVING, I'M SIMPLY ASKING THAT THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BE PROTECTED AND THAT THE ZONING AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE GUIDED THIS COMMUNITY FOR YEARS BE UPHELD. FOR THIS REASON, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE BOARD TO DENY THE REQUEST AND ZONE AND WAIVER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND IN COUNTY. MR. GURLEY. ANYONE ELSE? ELMER WOLF. YEAH, IT'S NOT FOR THIS CASE. IT YOUR NEXT OKAY. I'M SORRY. YEAH, ANYBODY WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS? UH, GOT ONE IN THE BACK. COME ON UP, SIR. YEAH, I CAME IN LATE. I'M SORRY. NO, YOU'RE FINE. COME ON UP AND, UH, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE UH, MINUTES. MY NAME'S CALEB FOSTER OR PALMER NOW. UM, I LIVE AT 1 2 1 2 0 ALA DRIVE. UH, MY MOM JUST SPOKE. I'VE LIVED THERE MY WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE. I REMEMBER AS A KID RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE STREET PLAYING AIRSOFT, RUNNING ACROSS THE STREET. NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE COMING AND DOWN, UP AND DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR MY WHOLE LIFE. I'VE NEVER SEEN PEOPLE DRIVE AS FAST AS THEY DO DOWN THAT ROAD AS WE DO NOW. I HAD JUST BROUGHT MY FIRST KITTEN TO THIS ROAD ROUGHLY A MONTH AGO. TWO, TWO DAYS. IT WILL BE A MONTH. I WANT MY KID TO HAVE THE SAME PRIVILEGE AS I HAD LIVING IN A RURAL AREA. THAT'S WHY I MOVED TO DENWOOD COUNTY. MY MOM DID AND THAT'S WHY I STAYED IN DEN COUNTY. IT'S NOT RIGHT THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE UP OUR LUXURY OF A COUNTY AND THE CITY. IF I WANTED TO LIVE IN THE CITY, I WOULD'VE WENT TO CLONEY HEIGHTS WHERE THERE'S SIDEWALKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GIVE UP AND RUIN MY KIDS' RURAL AREA OF PLAYING IN THE WOODS AND RUNNING ACROSS THE ROAD AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS ON A NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD THAT HAS FIVE HOUSES. THERE'S NO REASON TO BE ZONING IT AS WHERE YOU CAN RUN A SHOP OUT OF IT. I DRIVE A TOW TRUCK FOR A LIVING. I DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD SLOW. I PARK THE TOW TRUCK. I LEAVE, I DON'T RUN A BUSINESS OUT OF IT. THEY HAVE TOW TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT. THEY THEY HAVE ALL THESE CARS COMING. IT'S NOT RIGHT THAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS. I MEAN, IT, IT, NONE OF US HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS AS A RURAL COUNTY. IF I WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO AN AUTOMOTIVE BUS BUSINESS AND HERE IMPACTS AND TOW TRUCKS COMING DOWN THE [00:25:01] ROAD, I'D HAVE, I WOULD'VE PICKED TO LIVE IN A CITY RIGHT NEXT TO HIM. I DIDN'T, I PICKED TO TAKE OVER MY MOM'S HOUSE THAT I GREW UP IN SO MY KID CAN HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS I HAD. IT'S NOT FAIR TO US. AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE. Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. THANK YOU MR. GURLEY. THERE'S NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP, MR. CHAIR. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOLKS IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT MAY HAVE COME IN LATER OR OTHERWISE THAT HAS NOT YET SPOKEN. MA'AM, YOU WANNA COME UP? UM, SO THIS IS ON C DASH 26 DASH THREE. AND AGAIN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR OUR MINUTES. MY NAME IS COURTNEY TEPER. I LIVE AT 1 2 1 1 1 A LIFT DRIVE. I AM DIRECTLY BESIDE THIS PROPERTY. WE, BUT UP NEXT TO IT. I HAVE NOT HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING THEM. WE JUST MOVED IN DECEMBER OF 2025. UM, AND THE REASON WE PICKED IT, IT'S, IT'S QUIET, LIKE YOU STATED. IT'S QUIET. OUR DAUGHTER IS AUTISTIC AND SIX AND SHE LIKES TO ELOPE AND RUN. AND THE REASON WE PICKED OFF THE ROADWAY SO FAR, WE WANTED THE SAFETY OF IF SHE HAPPENED TO SLIP ONTO THE ROADWAY, SHE WOULDN'T BE HIT. THERE IS TIMES THAT THEY DO FLY UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. I GET IT. THERE'S EMERGENCIES, THINGS HAPPEN. IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT WHAT I EXPECTED. MOVING INTO THIS PLACE. I MOVED FROM PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, WHICH IS SEMI-ROYAL, SEMI COMMERCIAL OUT HERE FOR A REASON. UM, I SERVED OUT HERE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THE FIRE LOAD I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT. THAT DOES CONCERN ME WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA BEING NOTHING BUT WOODS AND THE DRYNESS THAT WE HAVE, THAT THAT SIGNIFICANTLY SCARES ME. THE FUMES COMING FROM THAT SHOP. I HAVE A LUNG DISEASE. UM, I LIKE TO SPEND OUT TIME WITH MY DAUGHTER OUTSIDE AND I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP ANYBODY FROM MAKING MONEY WHATSOEVER. I AM GRATEFUL THAT Y'ALL ARE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH YOUR HANDS. I CAN'T, BUT THE ROAD IS HORRIBLE. THE, THE BUMPS HE TRIES TO MAINTAIN IT AS BEST HE CAN. I CAN ALWAYS SEE HIM OUT THERE ON THE TRACTOR. HE IS, BUT IT'S JUST THE END OF THE ROAD. YOU ARE. I MEAN, IT IS HORRIBLE. I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I I I DO OBJECT TO WHAT IS PROPOSED, SO THANK YOU. OKAY. NO, THANK YOU MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANNA CHECK ONE MORE TIME. ANY ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS. ALL RIGHT. WELL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT. UM, I WOULD LIKE ASK THE APPLICANT, UH, Y'ALL HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS? YEAH, AS YOU KNOW, I HAVE TWO YOUNG SONS. THEY HAVE ABOUT 14 FRIENDS. THAT IS NOT MY CUSTOMERS. I CAN'T CONTROL HOW THEY DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. , UM, THE ONLY KIDS THAT I'VE SEEN ON THAT ROAD ARE PIKES, MR. PIKE'S KIDS UP AT THE TOP OF THE ROAD. SO NOT SAYING THAT'S A CORRECT THING, BUT WE HAVE AN EIGHT MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGN WE PLAN ON PUTTING UP AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY. UM, AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF FUMES WOULD COME FROM CHANGING BRAKES, BUT, UM, IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A LITTLE OVERKILL IN MY OPINION, BUT, AND I MAINTAIN THE ROAD WITH NO HELP FROM NOBODY. LIKE I SAID, NOBODY'S EVEN OFFERED STOPPED ME ON THE TRACTOR. HEY, YOU NEED SOME HELP WITH THAT? NO. SO, AND TOW TRUCK BOY, UM, IN AND OUT ALL NIGHT AND PARTIES, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT HIM WHEN HE IS OUT THERE. COPS BEING CALLED, STUFF LIKE THAT AT HIS HOUSE. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. UM, WELL, DID ANYBODY, UH, ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE A A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? I, ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS, SO YOU'RE BEING RUNNING SOMETHING ELSE, SO WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS ARE YOU TRULY RUNNING? WHAT KIND OF MECHANICAL? WELL, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IS STARTING IS I WORK ON MY OWN STUFF. I BUILD MY OWN CARS. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'M ON DISABILITY, I DON'T WORK. SO I RESTORE HER MUSTANG, MY MUSTANG TRUCKS FOR MYSELF. WELL, YOU HAVE THIS FRIEND THAT WANTS, HEY, CAN YOU DO THIS FOR ME? AND THEN THAT FRIEND TELLS THIS FRIEND, HEY, CAN YOU DO THIS ONE? AND THEN FAMILY MEMBERS, FAMILY MEMBERS [00:30:01] AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF A, OF A CURVE OF GETTING IN TROUBLE. IF SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, YOU'RE RUNNING A BUSINESS OUTTA THE SHOP. NOT TECHNICALLY YET. I'M TRYING TO GET THE PERMISSION TO, IT'S ALL I'M ASKING. AND THERE ARE SOME ELDER, UM, NEIGHBORS IN THE VICINITY THAT HAVE ASKED HIM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE THINGS DONE ON THEIR VEHICLE. AND HE'S DONE IT OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF HIS HEART WITHOUT YEAH, CHARGING THEM. HE'S BOUGHT PARTS AND EQUIPMENT FOR THEIR VEHICLES. I HAVE $600 IN THE VAN'S VEHICLE THAT SITS RIGHT UP AT THE BALL FIELD THAT DIDN'T ASK FOR NO MONEY BACK. BUT HE DON'T HAVE NO MONEY. HE DIDN'T HAVE NOBODY ELSE TO WORK ON HIS STUFF. WE'RE FRIENDS. AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I GOT YOU MAN. AND WE WORK IT OUT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I GUESS JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, I DIDN'T DO MY HOMEWORK ON THIS, BUT HOW LONG WAS THE PRIVATE ROAD THAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU QUARTER MILE HOW MILE, QUARTER MILE. ABOUT A QUARTER MILE. OKAY. UM, DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING AMONG YOUR, UH, THE OTHER FOLKS THAT COMMENTED THAT, UM, MAY, YOU MAY WANT TO, UH, BE WILLING TO, UH, CHANGE ON THE CONDITIONS? LIKE, LIKE MR. SIMMONS ASKED EARLIER ABOUT, UH, TIME OF DAY AND WEEKENDS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING ON THE WEEKENDS. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT MIGHT NEED TO BE THREE DAYS A WEEK THAT I MIGHT FEEL LIKE GETTING UP AND GOING OUT THERE AND WORKING ON SOMETHING. BUT LIKE I SAID, WITH YOUNG KIDS RUNNING AROUND WITH THEIR BUDDIES, THEY'RE, I DID IT ARE SONS. DO YOU OCCASIONALLY HAVE THEIR FRIENDS COME TO USE THE GAR THE SHOP TO DO SOME OF THEIR OWN PERSONAL, AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE THE BEST DRIVERS, , BUT NOW WHERE I WAS GOING RIGHT NOW IS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. OH, 700 TO 10:00 PM SO IT'S, UH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU WERE WILLING TO OH, WELL I'D BE LUCKY TO GET OUT THERE AT NINE O'CLOCK DEPENDING PERSONALLY GETTING UP AND THEN BY FIVE I'M DONE. WELL I GUESS AT THIS POINT THAT'S RHETORICAL ON MY PART. RIGHT. BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO JUST SEE WHAT Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT IT. ABSOLUTELY. SURE. AGREE. ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM FOLKS OR QUESTIONS RATHER FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, THANK Y'ALL. ALRIGHT. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. ALRIGHT, FOLLOW UP COMMISSIONERS. UH, DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE, LIKE, DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION MAYBE FOR STAFF MARK? I HAVE ONE. I GUESS, UH, IT'S JUST AN EDUCATION FOR ME AND MAYBE WELL REEDUCATION FOR ME AND MAYBE IT'S AN EDUCATION FOR OTHERS. BUT CAN YOU GENERALLY DESCRIBE, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A, YOU KNOW, HOME, I THINK I'M SAYING THIS CORRECTLY, A HOME OCCUPATION, A HOME BUSINESS, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE THRESHOLD FOR A HOME OCCUPATION VERSUS A BUSINESS THAT REQUIRES A, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IS THAT, CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE THRESHOLD FOR THE YEAH. UH, PEOPLE CAN REPAIR VEHICLES AS PART OF A HOME OCCUPATION, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY VEHICLES STORED THERE. UM, AND THE WORK WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE INSIDE AT ALL TIMES. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANY WORK OUTSIDE TECHNICALLY OF THE BUILDING. SO IT'S TYPICALLY LIKE ONE VEHICLE AT A TIME. UM, AT LEAST THAT'S HOW WE'VE, UM, INTERPRETED THE ORDINANCE, OUR HOME OCCUPATION ORDINANCE BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THERE FOR ANYBODY REPAIRING VEHICLES AS A HOME OCCUPATION. SO, SO NO STORAGE INSIDE AND THAT I HEAR ONE AT A TIME OR I, I DREAM THAT. SO JUST INDOORS IN INSIDE AND, AND, UH, NO STORAGE? NO SIR. OKAY. OKAY. I WANTED TO BE ABLE, FOR THE APPLICANT'S SAKE, I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR YOU AND OTHERS THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU COULD DO EXISTING AND YOU HEARD THAT. OKAY. ANY DELIBERATION, ANY COMMENTS? DID MY QUESTIONS SPUR? ANY THOUGHTS OR ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN, IF I'M GIVING THOUGHTS, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO OR THE STATE CAN DO TO CURB HOW PEOPLE DRIVE UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. Y'ALL DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM COMING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD IF IT'S ALL [00:35:01] TOGETHER. BUT THE ROAD ISSUE, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH BEING ON A PRIVATE ROAD. THAT'S WHY WE'VE ALL TRIED SO HARD TO KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING. IT'S SO HARD TO REGULATE OR DO ANYTHING WITH A PRIVATE ROAD, UH, FAR AS THE BUSINESS IS CONCERNED. I DON'T KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA HEAR A LOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THE CONCERNS SEEM TO BE ROAD RELATED SPEED OF DRIVING. AND I KNOW YOU CAN PUT SPEED LIMIT SIGNS, BUT NONE OF THAT'S ENFORCEABLE AND IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO OTHER THAN PUTTING SPEED BUMPS IN THE ROAD AND THEN THAT MAKES EVERYBODY UPSET, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LIVE PRIOR TO HIM ON THE LANE, WHICH LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY DOES. LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY LIVES PRIOR TO HIM. SO THAT'S KIND OF A MOOT POINT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. AND WE OBVIOUSLY, I, I RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY VEHICLES CAN, CAN BE ON THE PROPERTY AND OBVIOUSLY 15 IS THE MAX HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE OUT THERE THAT HE'S WORKING ON BEING IT'S A FOUR BAY SHOP, UH, UNLESS HE BUILT MORE BAYS AND THEN HE GETS MORE. I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I GET AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY EVEN IF THERE ARE MORE BAYS, WE STOP. I MEAN, THAT CAN BE PART OF OUR CONDITIONS. THAT 15 WILL BE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF STORED VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY. I MEAN, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SO WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, SO SO A FOLLOW UP TO YOU. I I THINK, MARK, I ASKED THIS KIND OF WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE, BUT I I, I CERTAINLY INFERRED IF NOTHING ELSE FROM WHAT YOU SAID, THAT Y'ALL ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY, UH, WRITTEN AGREEMENT AMONG THE, UH, AMONG THE VARIOUS USERS OF THE PRIVATE ROAD, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO MR. TOLER, UM, AS YOU KNOW, I'M AN ARMCHAIR ATTORNEY, BUT IF I, I'LL ASK YOU REAL QUICK THAT IF THERE'S ISSUES WITH, UH, AMONG THESE FOLKS, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO DO UPON THEMSELVES THAT, THAT THE COUNTY WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED AND THAT WOULD BE A, A CIVIL MATTER BETWEEN, UH, ALL PARTIES IF THEY DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE A, WELL, EVEN IF THEY DID, REALLY, BUT CERTAINLY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY TYPE OF WRITTEN AGREEMENT. AM I RIGHT THERE, THERE IS A, I'M SORRY. WELL, WE, WE'LL COME BACK, BUT, UH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THAT. SO IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT OR IF THERE'S NOT AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE, THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN THEM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T, IT'S NOT IN THE PRIVATE ROAD. BUSINESS DOESN'T REGULATE THE PRIVATE ROADS AND FOR SOME OF THESE PRIVATE ROADS, THERE'S AN AGREEMENT. FOR SOME OF THEM THERE'S NOT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE ON THE PRIVATE ROADS TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS. THAT'S THE KIND OF THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PUBLIC ROAD AND PRIVATE ROAD, PUBLIC ROAD. VDOT WORRIES ABOUT PRIVATE ROAD. THE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE REALLY ON THEIR OWN THERE. WELL, THANK YOU. AND, AND THE REASON I ASKED THAT MA'AM IS BECAUSE I KIND OF THOUGHT I KNEW WHAT THE ANSWER WOULD BE AND TO KIND OF, TO MR TIP'S POINT IS, UH, REALLY ANY USE OF THE ROAD AMONG ANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, NO MATTER WHAT THE ISSUES ARE REALLY BETWEEN THE FIVE OF YOU ALL, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, AND IN MY NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D, I'D BE REMISS TO NOT MENTION THAT TRANSPORTATION IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN A, IN A ZONING DECISION. AND SO THE FACT THAT IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IN YOUR DECISION. WELL, I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE EXTRA MAINTENANCE AND YOU KNOW, I KIND OF, KIND OF THAT WENT PAST. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT TO CONSIDER? FOR US TO CONSIDER? LIKE I, I'M, I'M THINKING MAYBE I'M THINKING OF ONE CASE THAT WE HAD WHERE WE HAD A BUNCH OF FOLKS THAT WERE LIVING ON A ROAD IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A PAINT BALL, PAINT BALL FACILITY PROPOSED THERE. AND THERE WAS SOME ISSUES AROUND THAT, THAT, THAT CHANGED THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. BUT AGAIN, MY MEMORY OF THAT WAS THAT, UH, THAT WAS STILL, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER ANY PROPOSED CONDITION, BUT I COULD BE MISTAKEN, I'M NOT SURE I REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF AN EASEMENT ISSUE AND THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS OF WHO HAD ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, NOTWITHSTANDING THAT THE OWNER OF THE PRETTY LARGE, UH, TRACTOR PROPERTY WAS OKAY WITH THE USE. SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WERE NOT. AND I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT INTERIOR PARCEL IN THIS COMPLETELY OTHER CASE, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS AGO HAD THAT'S RIGHT. HAD AN EASEMENT. AND I I THINK THAT ENDED UP CAUSING THE CASE SOME, SOME TROUBLE. UM, NOW YOU'RE, I GUESS YOU'RE ASKING IF THERE'S A CONDITION HERE THAT COULD MAYBE HELP. [00:40:01] I'M, YEAH, I'M SAYING IS THERE A POTENTIAL CONDITION, AND YOU KINDA LEAD TO ANOTHER QUESTION THAT IN Y'ALL'S RESEARCH FOR THIS, DID YOU FIND A A EASEMENT OR IS IT NO EASEMENT HERE? I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT RESEARCHED THAT QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. WELL THE, YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAT FOR THE, FOR THE SUBDIVISION THAT THEY ALL SHARE THAT COMMON RIGHT OF WAY INTO THE PROPERTY. AND AM I UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT AT THE END OF THE ROAD? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT VDOT INDICATED, YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO WHILE LOSE THIS THOUGHT, 'CAUSE IT'LL FLY OUTTA MY HEAD, BUT I THINK WHAT I'M AGAIN, INFERRING FROM YOU IS THAT A POTENTIAL CONDITION THAT WE COULD CONSIDER WOULD BE THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE A, AN ESTABLISHMENT OF A WRITTEN AGREEMENT THAT INCLUDES AN EASEMENT AMONG ALL PROPERTY OWNERS. AM I, AM I HEARING THAT OR NOT? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'M NOT SURE. YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I HAVE NOT CONDUCTED A A, A PROPERTY RECORD SEARCH AND LOOKED THROUGH THE TITLES TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF EASEMENTS MAY OR NOT, MAY NOT EXIST AT PRESENT. AND SO I'M A LITTLE BIT HESITANT TO THAT'S FINE TO ANSWER THAT AT, AT PRESENT. SO I GUESS MR. MR TIP'S COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MADE KINDA ZERO IT IN ON THE ROAD. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, A WAY TO DEAL WITH THE ROAD IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER AND NOT JUST THROW IT OUT TO FOLKS. 'CAUSE I MEAN IT COULD HAPPEN NOW OR LATER. I MEAN, UNDER THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THERE'S STILL SOME AMBIGUITY. I JUST THOUGHT IF THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD HANDLE, WE COULD HELP WITH THE AMBIGUITY AS PART OF THE, UH, OF THE CASE IS KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IN THESE CASES YOU DO SEE A CONDITION THAT A ROAD, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE MAINTAINED TO A CERTAIN POINT AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC FOR THAT BUSINESS. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULD MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S A CONDITION, MAYBE THE APPLICANT WOULD BE A, A MINIMAL TO IT THAT SAID SOMETHING LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPLICANT SHALL MAINTAIN THE ROAD TO ENSURE THAT ITS CONDITION DOES NOT DETERIORATE FROM, FROM THE TRAFFIC FOR THE BUSINESS. UM, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE DONE, I WOULD THINK MR. CHAIRMAN, AS IT DOES RELATE TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORS NOT A PUBLIC ROAD, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A VALID CONCERN THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ABOUT TRANSPORTATION OF IT. YOU KNOW, IF THE CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS GONNA GENERATE A LOT OF TRIPS AND DETERIORATE THE ROAD THAT THE, THE APPLICANT COULD, UM, HAVE A CONDITION TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. AND I THOUGHT YOUR CON I THOUGHT WHERE YOU MIGHT BE GOING TOO WAS A CONDITION THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE RELATED TO THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC TOO. SO WOULD IT, WHICH I, I GUESS THE, THE PROBLEM IS IF WHEN WE PUT SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS ON, JUST LIKE MANY OTHER INSTANCES, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GO AROUND AND CHECK THESE CONDITIONS. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE ROAD COMPLAINED YOU COULD GO OUT THE NEXT DAY AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYBODY GOING BACK AND FORTH DOWN THAT ROAD, IT WOULD JUST BE SO HARD TO POLICE THIS SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. I MEAN, I WOULD BE CONCERNED AS THE PER, AS THE APPLICANT, THE COST OF PUTTING IN A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE UP AT THE ROAD. I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY HEFTY FEE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THAT PUT IN. 'CAUSE IF I'M CORRECT, IT'S GONNA EITHER HAVE TO BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE MADE TO A CERTAIN STANDARD WITH CERTAIN PIPES AT THE ROAD, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. AND THE LAST FEW I'VE SEEN BUILT WERE NOT CHEAP ENDEAVORS, BUT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TODAY YOU COULD SAY THAT'S FINE, I'VE GOT THE MONEY TO DO IT, EVERYTHING'S GOOD. BUT I HATE TO GIVE WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN IT'S, WELL ALL OF Y'ALL HAD BROUGHT ME TO ASK THE QUESTION WHEN MARK JUST STATED THAT, THAT WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THE PROPERTY NOW IS NO MORE THAN WHAT I JUST HEARD THE APPLICANT STAND THERE AND SAY HE WANTED TO DO, HE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON HIS VEHICLE AND THE FRIENDS AND STUFF EVERY NOW AND THEN, HE EVEN MENTIONED MIGHT NOT BE NO MORE THAN THREE TIMES A A WEEK. SO WHY WOULD HE NEED TO BE REZONED ANYWAY? WELL, WHY WOULD HE NEED A CUP YOU MEAN? YEAH, CUP THAT, THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE HOME OCCUPATION. I MEAN, IF HE CAN ALREADY MEET THE STANDARD TO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, THEN WHY DO WE NEED TO PERMIT? OKAY. WHAT DROVE THIS, I GUESS WOULD BE THE QUESTION FOR THAT. WELL, INITIALLY WE DID RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, UM OKAY. FROM SOMEONE THAT THERE WAS [00:45:01] A BUSINESS BEING OPERATED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. RIGHT. AND UPON INVESTIGATION FOUND. YEAH. OUR CONCERN ON THAT AS FAR AS THE HOME OCCUPATION, WAS THAT JUST IN OUR OBSERVATIONS THAT THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY, THEY HAD A FOUR BAY GARAGE THERE. UM, THERE WERE, UH, SEVERAL VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY. WE WEREN'T SURE IF THEY WERE OPERABLE OR INOPERABLE. SO IT APPEARED TO US THAT THEY WERE OPERATING MORE OF A BUSINESS THAN JUST A HOME OCCUPATION, AT LEAST IN OUR INITIAL REVIEW OF THE PROPERTY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS OR THINGS, UH, ISSUES AROUND POTENTIAL CHANGES OR ADDITIONS TO CONDITIONS OR, WELL, IF IT'S GONNA BE APPROVED, I WOULD PUT A CONDITION ON IT OF HOW MANY STORED CARS COULD EVER BE THERE. WHICH, IF AT CURRENT HE COULD HAVE 15 AT THIS POINT. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU SAID? 15? YES. WHY IS THAT AGAIN? YEAH, NOW THAT WOULD BE INOPERABLE VEHICLE. YEAH, I KNOW WHERE WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, PEOPLE HAVE 50 CARS SITTING OUT THERE AND WE'RE DOING, WE DON'T HAVE THE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY, I GUESS TO POLICE A LOT OF THIS AND YOU JUST CONTINUE TO COMPOUND PROBLEM AFTER PROBLEM AND THEN UNTIL TILL SOMETHING HAPPENS. I MEAN, I, I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE FAIR TO HIM IF IN THE FACT THAT, THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY MORE THAN THAT NOW, I HOPE SITTING OUT THERE, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE A FAIR NUMBER. BUT IF HE KEPT BUILDING WHAT HE CALLED BAYS, HE COULD KEEP ADDING CARS. AND I THINK THERE'S A POINT AT WHERE THIS IS LOCATED THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT FEASIBLE TO HAVE STUFF LIKE THAT IN THAT AREA. SO I WOULD, I WOULD WANT THE CONDITION TO AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES, INOPERABLE VEHICLES THAT COULD BE THERE TO 15, WHICH IS WHAT HE CAN, COULD HAVE WITH THE CURRENT SETUP HE HAS. UH, AS OPPOSED TO ROAD STUFF. I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO THAT'S GONNA ALL, IT'S GONNA GET TO THE POINT, AND I, I HATE TO SAY THIS FOLKS, IT'S GONNA GET TO THE POINT Y'ALL GONNA GO TO COURT. I CAN ALMOST SEE THIS COMING AND THAT'S, IT'S SAD THAT WE GET THAT WAY, BUT, AND WE CAN'T WORK TOGETHER OR FIND AN AMICABLE AGREEMENT TO SOME OF THESE THINGS. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT PRIVATE ROADS HAVE DONE. UH, BUT I DID WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE 15, THE 15 COMES FROM THE NUMBER OF BAYS OR IT COMES FROM, FROM THE NUMBER OF BAYS. OKAY, GOTCHA. OKAY. BUT THERE'S A CAP. OKAY. FIFTEEN'S THE CAP, BUT, OKAY. AND I LOOKED AT THE PICTURE THAT'S SHOWN AND I THINK I COUNTED AT LEAST 12 VEHICLES IN THE PICTURE. YEAH. NOW I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE INOPERABLE, OPERABLE OR WHAT THEY ARE, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S ALREADY A NUMBER OF VEHICLES THERE AND THAT WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO GROW IF YOU CAN, CAN DO THAT. I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, IT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. WELL, RELATED TO YOUR POINT, I WONDER IF THERE'S A CONDITION ADVICE FROM STAFF HERE, UH, AND THIS IS TOUGH FOR ME AND I KIND OF KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHAT, IS THERE ADVICE ON WHAT THE LANGUAGE OF A CONDITION MIGHT BE FOR, UM, A STANDARD FOR OF CARE FOR THE MAINTENANCE? BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THE, AND I HOPE THE APPLICANT IS APPRECIATIVE OF THIS TOO, THE COMMERCIAL INTEREST, LIKE MR. TUS SAID OF VDO STANDARD VDOT COMMERCIAL IN ENTRANCE IS FAIRLY EXPENSIVE. YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO YEAH, I I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON, JUST SO EVERYONE'S CLEAR, VDOT RECOMMENDED, AT LEAST IN THEIR INITIAL REVIEW A LOW VOLUME COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE. SO A LOT OF TIMES THOSE CAN BE, STILL, CAN BE A GRAVEL ENTRANCE. I'M NOT SURE ON THAT, BUT I HAVE SEEN SOME WHERE IT WAS STILL GRAVEL WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WELL, TO YOUR POINT THOUGH, MY, MY ADVICE TO ALL ROAD OWNERS AND MY ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN THE REAL COST IS IN THE OPERATION OF MAINTENANCE. SO, RIGHT. UM, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF THERE'S A, ANY, ANY SUGGESTED LANGUAGE COULD BE FOR A CONDITION RELATED TO THE STANDARD OF CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, A, A CONDITION AND THERE, THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME DIFFERENT GRADATIONS OF THIS, [00:50:01] BUT IT COULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, APPLICANT SHOULD REPAIR ANY DETERIORATION OF ALIFT DRIVE CAUSED BY TRAFFIC TO THE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE ONE VERSION OF IT. UM, I, UH, I STAFF HAD ANOTHER COMMENT. UM, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PUT ON THIS PERMIT BECOME ENFORCEABLE BY THE ZONING CODE. IF YOU WERE TO PUT A CONDITION ON THE PROPERTY REQUIRING SOME TYPE OF MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, UM, THE ISSUE THAT COULD BE THERE IS IF PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE PRIVATE ROAD REFUSE TO SIGN OR AGREE TO THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, THEREFORE THEY WOULD BE DEFUNCT OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE THAT AGREEMENT COULD NOT BE MET. UM, JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND BEFORE PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE, WELL, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, MY THINKING OF A, OF A CONDITION WOULD BE SOLELY ON THE APPLICANT. YES. NOT THE OTHER FORM. YEAH. BUT IF YOU HAVE IT AND AN AGREEMENT HAS TO BE COME TO, IF A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER REFUSES TO AGREE TO IT, I GET, I GOT YOU. THEN DEFUNCT THEIR OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CUP. SO IT KIND OF KILLS IT BEFORE IT. NOPE. YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT. IF, IF YOU REQUIRED AN AGREEMENT AND, AND THE OTHER, I THINK MR. TUS BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT THAT MR. CULBERTH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR ENFORCING THE MYRIAD CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ACROSS THE COUNTY. AND THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT WITH RESPECT TO THE ROAD, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE COUNTING THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS OR COUNTING THE NUMBER OF CARS OR SEEING HOW MANY FEET YOU ARE FROM A ROAD. IT'S A VERY SUBJECTIVE DETERMINATION OF WHAT DOES THE ROAD LOOK LIKE, WHAT'S THE ROAD SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A ROAD THAT'S MEETING STATE STANDARDS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOME DEBATE ABOUT WHO CAUSED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD AT A CERTAIN POINT. AND DEPENDING ON HOW THE CONDITION IS WORDED, HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO IT? SO, I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT KIND OF GO INTO THAT CONSIDERATION. WELL AGAIN, I I, AT LEAST IN THAT CONTEXT, THAT'S WHAT I ASKED THE QUESTION, KNOWING WHAT THE MAY BE, BUT YOU SURPRISED ME ON THAT, SO THANK YOU. I YEP. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. WHY YOU STANDING UP THERE? IS THERE ANYTHING FAR AS ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IN THERE? YOU KNOW, YOU WORK ON VEHICLES, YOU HAVE MOTOR BOARD, YOU HAVE ANY, YOU GO EVERY OTHER THING, PROPER DISPOSAL OF THAT, ANY OF THAT IN THERE? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER THE APPLICABLE LAWS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE MOST LIKELY TAKEN CARE OF UNDER THE FIRE CODE AND POTENTIALLY IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CODE UNDER CONDITION SEVEN, I BELIEVE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I'LL SAY I WAS TRYING TO GET SOME DUE DILIGENCE THERE AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE KIND OF GOTTEN, UH, WHERE I NEED TO BE. SO I'D THROW THAT BACK TO Y'ALL AND WHERE YOU THINK, UH, THINK WE OUGHT TO GO HERE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THE FEE RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSUME COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 8 6 87, IT IS STATED THAT FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF WHICH THIS RESOLUTION FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC , CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING AND PRACTICE, I MOVE THAT CONDITION, USE PERMIT REQUEST C DASH TWO SIX DASH THREE AS PRESENTED, BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS TO DIVORCE. I'LL SECOND IT. WELL, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO YOUR, YOUR RECOMME YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS SOLELY TO THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE HERE, NO ADDITIONS, NO ADJUSTMENTS, ANYTHING. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AND YOU SECOND THAT THE SAME WAY? YES, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. MR. LEY. MR. TUS? NO. MR. TAYLOR? NO. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. LANGLEY? YES. AND MR. HAYES? NO. THREE MEMBERS VOTING? NO. TWO MEMBERS VOTING? YES. ALRIGHT, SO THAT MOTION HAS FAILED. DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE THE OPPOSITE MOTION? NO. GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. WHAT IF WE DON'T ? WELL, I THINK WE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YOU, YOU COULD TABLE IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH. UM, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS AND MAKE A MOTION WITH OTHER CONDITIONS. YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO DENY YOU COULD SOMEONE WHO VOTED NO COULD MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. UM, [00:55:01] AND, AND BASICALLY HAVE THE SAME MOTION VOTED ON AGAIN ON RECONSIDERATION. UM, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU THERE. SO TO YOUR POINT, THE ONLY THING I THINK ABOUT TABLING THAT, THAT MAY GIVEN A THREE TO TWO VOTE THAT MAY CHANGE THINGS IS THAT WE'LL HAVE PRESUMABLY HAVE TWO MORE PEOPLE HERE NEXT MONTH. SO IS IT WORTH, IS IT WORTH IT? THAT OR NOT? I GUESS IS AND POSSIBLY JUST POSSIBLY THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORS CAN WORK OUT SOMETHING. YEP, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO ARE YOU SAYING ARE, ARE YOU SAYING MR. UH, SOUTH HALL THAT MAYBE GIVEN THE VOTE THAT MAY BE A SUBSEQUENT RECOMMENDATION OF TABLING FOR A MONTH MAY BE OF VALUE GIVEN THAT THINGS MIGHT WORK OUT AND ALSO THAT WE'LL HAVE TWO MORE MEMBERS HERE NEXT MONTH. I'M JUST THE PARLIAMENTARIAN, SO I'M JUST HERE TO SAY WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. TABLING IT IS A VALID OPTION AS THE PARLIAMENTARIAN WELL, I WAS ASKING YOU IN THE CONTEXT OF PARLIAMENT PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES. SO THANK YOU. IF YOU DO, IF YOU DO CONTINUE IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH, DO BE YOU, YOU DID CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I BELIEVE I HEARD THAT IS TRUE. SO THERE JUST BE CLEAR THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH IF YOU DID FOR SOME REASON WANT TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH, YOU COULD ADVERTISE IT AGAIN. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS YOU FROM HEARING FROM PEOPLE WHO MAY BE HERE, I SUPPOSE NEXT MONTH IF YOU DESIRE TO, BUT I JUST JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH. I SUPPOSE IT WOULD FALL UNDER OLD NEW BUSINESS. YEAH, WELL, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF Y'ALL FEEL, BUT I FEEL LIKE, UM, IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THAT, BUT THAT'S, IF THAT'S, IF IT GETS TABLED. WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THAT PART YET. UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BELABOR THIS. THEY CAN FIX IT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BOARD. OKAY. UH, SO I'LL JUST GO ON AND MAKE THE OTHER MOTION. OKAY. BE RESOLVED IN AN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6 A THREE AND SEVEN AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 22 DASH 22 AND 22 DASH TWO. IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST C DASH 26 DASH THREE AS PRESENTED BE RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS AN ISSUANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTENT, PURPOSE, AND DESIGN OF THE ITY COUNTY ZONING CODE. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND. ALRIGHT, MR. GURLEY. MR. TITMUS A MR. TAYLOR? YES. MR. SIMMONS? NO. MR. LANGLEY. AYE. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. MY MISTAKE. IT WOULD BE, AYE, I'M SORRY. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. AND MR. HAYES ANSWER'S YES. FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING YES FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. ALRIGHT, SO A LOT OF DELIBERATION THERE. STAFF. ANY, ANY FURTHER? ANY CLARIFICATION Y'ALL NEED FROM US ON THAT? I THINK, I THINK IT'S NOW PRETTY CLEAR. NO. SO IT'S, IT'S HEADED TO THE BOARD AND WITH A FIVE TO ZERO RECOMMENDATION FOR A DENIAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE AS PRESENTED. AS PRESENTED, AS PRESENTED. THE, UH, BOARD MEETING FOR JULY, JUST FOR THOSE IN ATTENDANCE. 21ST IS GOING TO BE JULY THE 21ST. UM, AND, AND PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AT 7:00 PM SO IT'D BE IN THIS ROOM ON TUESDAY, JULY 21ST. AND UNLESS, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING THOUGH, IT WILL GO TO THE NEXT, IT'LL GO TO THE NEXT MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND IT'LL BE THAT ONE. ALRIGHT, WELL I THANK EVERYBODY OUT THERE FOR LISTENING TO ALL THAT. I, I THINK IF NOTHING ELSE YOU SEE THAT TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY DELIBERATION OF SUCH CASES. AND SO, UH, AS MR. SOUTHALL SAID, IT WILL BE, UH, LISTENED TO BY THE BOARD AND AS A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH. ALRIGHT, SO THAT LEADS US TO ITEM C. UH, IF STAFF WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT CASE C DASH 26 DASH FOUR, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND WHILE MR. BASS IS HEADED TO THE PODIUM, I DO JUST WANNA NOTE FOR THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, JUST TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S WEB OR ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WEBSITE ON THE AGENDA JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THAT WILL INDEED BE HEARD ON JULY THE 21ST. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. [01:00:01] AND JUST TO NOTE, FOLLOW UP ON WHAT MR. SOUTHALL SAID, UH, WE WILL BE SENDING OUT NOTIFICATION LETTERS TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS JUST AS WE DID FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. UH, NEXT CASE. AS YOU INDICATED, MR. CHAIR IS C DASH 26 DASH FOUR, THE APPLICANT'S HERE THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS OTHERS I KNOW TO REPRESENT THE APPLICATION. AND THE APPLICATION IS TO OPERATE AN EVENT FACILITY, UM, AT 2 7 7 3 HORSE TRAIL ROAD. THAT'S ROUTE 6 99 IN CHURCH ROAD, VIRGINIA. THE, UH, APPLICATION IS FOR, UH, ONE TAX MAP PARCEL THAT'S FOUR DASH 26, AND THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 193 ACRES, UH, IN SIZE. AND YOU CAN ON THE SLIDE, I'VE GOT A COUPLE, UH, PICTURES THAT STAFF TOOK WHEN WE WERE OUT LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, THIS IS COMING UP, UM, FROM THE, I GUESS YOU'D SAY SOUTHWEST, UH, TO THE PROPERTY APPROACHING IT. UM, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE. THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE, UM, THAT YOU GO INTO THE PROPERTY, UM, WHEN IT WAS UTILIZED UNDER A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT. UM, THIS WAS THE MAIN ENTRANCE, BUT THEY DID HAVE, UM, SIX OTHER ENTRANCES THAT WERE APPROVED BY VDOT, UM, THAT THEY COULD USE AS PART OF THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, UH, TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY, UH, PARKING ON, I GUESS YOU'D SAY THE EAST, UH, SOUTHEAST SIDE OF HORSE SHARE ROAD. AND THEN ALL THE, UH, THE EVENT ITSELF WAS HELD ON THE, UM, NORTH, NORTH, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF HOW THEY UTILIZED THE PROPERTY. UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS BASED ON, UM, HOW THEY UTILIZE THE PROPERTY UNDER THEIR SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, UM, WHEN THEY HAD THEIR FIELD DAY OF PAST EVENT, UM, LAST FALL. AND, UM, THE APPLICANTS COULD CERTAINLY ELABORATE ON THAT IF I MISSPOKE ON THAT. UM, BUT AGAIN, THE APPLICANT DOES WISH TO, UH, UTILIZE THE PROPERTY, UM, NOT JUST FOR THE ONE FIELD DAY OF THE PAST EVENT, BUT, UM, SIMILAR EVENTS, UM, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FROM TIME TO TIME ON THE, ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, YOU CAN SEE, UM, ALL THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE GENERALLY UTILIZED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. FORESTAL USES, UH, CROP LAND, HAY FIELDS, UM, AND ALL THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, UM, IS ALL A TO AGRICULTURAL GENERAL. UM, PUBLIC UTILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY, OF COURSE, THERE'S NO PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, TO SERVE THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, UH, OF COURSE, UH, WE ALL KNOW PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, IS IN THE AREA, UH, BUT, UM, NOT LOCATED UM, AT, AT THE PROPERTY. UH, VDOT DID, UH, DO THEIR REVIEW OF THE, UM, SUBJECT PROPERTY INDICATED THAT, UH, CURRENT TRAFFIC COUNTS ON HORSE SHE ROAD ARE APPROXIMATELY 60 VEHICLES PER DAY, UH, WITH A SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES PER HOUR. AND, UM, THEY DID, UM, LOOK AT, UM, THE ENTRANCES, UH, TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND, UM, WOULD PARTICIPATE IN FURTHER REVIEWS OF THE ENTRANCES DEPENDING ON HOW THE PROPERTIES UTILIZED IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND UM, THEY ALSO DISCUSSED, UM, OFFSITE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, UM, WHICH I DO KNOW WHEN THEY HAD THEIR ONE SPECIAL EVENT. I BELIEVE THEY DID HAVE SOME OFFSITE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE TO HELP PEOPLE, UH, NAVIGATE, UH, TO THE, TO THE SITE WHEN THEY, UH, CAME TO THE FIELD DAY OF THE PAST EVENT, UM, STAFF FEELS LIKE WITH THE RECOMMENDED CUP CONDITIONS, THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES LOCATED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND GIVEN THE TOTAL ACREAGE AVAILABLE FOR THE EVENT FACILITY IN RELATION TO THE SURROUNDING LAND USES AND ZONING [01:05:01] PATTERN, THE PROPOSED USE IS APPROPRIATELY LOCATED. UM, I'LL GO THROUGH, RUN THROUGH THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, THAT THE, UH, THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDED FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TO GO FROM THIS EVENING. UH, THE FIRST IS THE USE OF THE PROPERTIES SHALL BE LIMITED TO AN EVENT FACILITY TO HOST EVENTS TO INCLUDE THE ANNUAL FIELD, DAY OF THE PAST AND SIMILAR EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. EVENTS INCLUDE THE USE OF THE POLE TRACK AND RODEO FIELD AS WELL. ALL USES SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE EVENT FACILITY SHALL BE LOCATED ON TAX MAP PARCEL FOUR DASH 26, THE PROPERTY, A NUMBER, EVENTS. WE TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT. AND, UM, RECOMMENDING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF EVENTS ALLOWED PER CALENDAR YEAR, UM, WOULD BE, UH, MAXIMUM NUMBER WOULD BE 12 EVENTS. UM, TIME OF OPERATION. UM, WE, UH, SEPARATED THAT INTO TWO SECTIONS. EVENTS AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVENT FACILITY WOULD BE BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 10:00 PM FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 6:00 PM ON SUNDAY, AND BETWEEN 9:00 AM AND 5:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. AND WE HAD, UM, UH, SPECIAL TIMES FOR THE POLE TRACK ITSELF. WE INDICATED THAT THE POLE TRACK SHALL ONLY BE UTILIZED FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND HOLIDAYS, NOT INCLUDING SUNDAYS BETWEEN 10:00 AM AND 10:00 PM AND ON SUNDAY, BETWEEN 11:00 AM AND 6:00 PM UH, PARKING, PARKING WOULD, UM, HAVE TO ALL TAKE PLACE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND WE HAVE, UM, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DA ACCESSIBLE PARKING AVAILABLE AS WELL, MAINLY AT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCES TO THE PROPERTY. UM, AND LIGHTING WOULD BE PROVIDED. UM, IN HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS DURING EVENTS. UH, DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES OF COURSE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH ALL VDOT ENTRANCE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. AND, UH, SANITARY SEWER AND POTABLE WATER. ADEQUATE SANITARY SEWER AND POTABLE WATER FACILITIES SHALL BE MAINTAINED PER DIM. WITTY COUNTY HEALTH, DEPAR HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS AND ALL APPLICABLE DIM WITTY COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMITS SHALL BE AS OBTAINED AS PART OF THE EVENT FACILITY SITE LIGHTING. ANY ADDITIONAL SITE LIGHTING INSTALLED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHALL BE DIRECTED DOWNWARD AND INWARD TO THE SITE TO PRESERVE THE NIGHT SKY AND SHALL NOT DIRECTLY CAST LIGHT ONTO THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES. UM, WE ADDRESSED ANY OUTDOOR CAMPING AGAIN, UH, KIND OF REFERENCING WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR PREVIOUS CASE. UM, IN PREVIOUS CASES, UM, WE HAVE, UM, TALKED ABOUT OUTDOOR CAMPING JUST BECAUSE WITH OTHER EVENT FACILITIES THAT SUBJECT HAS COME UP. SO WE DO HAVE A CONDITION RELATED TO OUTDOOR CAMPING. UM, SECURITY. UM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS ASKED US TO INCLUDE THIS IN ALL OF OUR, UH, EVENT FACILITY CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS THAT THE, UH, DEITY COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, WILL BE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL, OR THE PROPERTY OWNER OR EVENT ORGANIZER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEPUTIES PROVIDING SECURITY SERVICES AND PAYMENT SLASH REIMBURSEMENT TO THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. UM, FIRE AND EMS INDICATED THAT THEY, UM, HAD CONDITIONS RELATED TO AN INCIDENT ACTION PLAN. UM, AND WE KIND OF DIVIDED THAT INTO TWO CATEGORIES, UH, ONE FOR FIELD DAY OF THE PAST AND THEN ANY OTHER EVENTS. UM, THEY WOULD WORK WITH THE CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMS, UM, AT THE CHIEF'S DISCRETION, UH, TO SEE IF ANY, UH, INCIDENT ACTION PLAN WOULD BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THAT EVENT. EMERGENCY AND MEDICAL SERVICES REQUIREMENTS, AGAIN, UH, SPLITTED THAT UP, SPLIT THAT UP INTO TWO CATEGORIES. UH, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR FIELD DAY OF THE PAST AND THEN, UM, ANY OTHER EVENTS HELD ON THE PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMS, UH, VENDORS. UM, LOOKING AT, UH, VENDORS RELATED TO THE EVENT, UH, FOR ALL EVENTS WHERE FOOD VENDORS, GOODS AND WARES VENDORS ARE ON SITE, THE [01:10:01] EVENT ORGANIZER SHALL OBTAIN ALL REQUIRED APPROVALS, LICENSES AND PERMITS FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THE OFFICE, UM, OF THE DEWINE COUNTY COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE. UM, THE EVENT ORGANIZER SHALL PROVIDE A LIST OF ALL FOOD VENDORS. UM, WE'D LIKE TO ALSO AMEND THAT TO INCLUDE, UH, BASICALLY JUST ALL VENDORS, UH, TO THE, UM, TO THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE. IN ADDITION, ALL EVENT PARTICIPANTS, VENDORS, EXHIBITORS, AND CONTRACTORS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE DI WITTY COUNTY FIRE AND EMS VENDOR CODE RESOURCE FORM. AND ALSO THE DEWIN COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL DIVISION SHALL INSPECT ALL TENTS, COOKING AREAS, FOOD VENDORS, FOOD TRUCKS, AMUSEMENT AREAS AND EVENT SPACES ON EACH DAY OF AN EVENT PRIOR TO OPENING THE EVENT. UM, SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, ANY GATHERINGS OF 300 MORE PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY AT ANY ONE TIME, UH, FOR AN EVENT OR OTHER ACTIVITY, SHOULD SHALL BE SUBJECT TO, UH, THE DEWINE COUNTY CODE. SPECIAL EVENTS AS IT MAY BE ATTENDED, AMENDED FROM TIME TO TIME NOISE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE DEWINE COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE AND, UH, NATURAL BUFFER. WE HAVE HAD THIS WITH OTHER EVENT FACILITIES THAT DID ALREADY HAVE A NATURAL BUFFER, UM, THAT ANY OF THOSE NATURAL BUFFERS THAT ARE IN PLACE AT TIME OF APPROVAL, UM, THAT A 50 FOOT BUFFER, THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY EXTENDING FROM THE PERIMETER EXTERIOR PROPERTY LINES INWARD TO THE PROPERTY SHALL BE PERMANENTLY MAINTAINED, UM, WHERE CLEARING OF VEGETATION SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED. UM, WE HAVE OUR, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL CODES. UH, WE HAVE OUR ANNUAL REVIEW CONDITION, UH, THAT WOULD BE DONE BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, CUP REVOCATION. A VIOLATION OF ANY OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHALL MAKE THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO REVOCATION BY THE DEITY COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. UH, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, MR. CHAIR, RELATED TO THE STAFF REPORT. AND AGAIN, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE CURRENTLY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN, UH, WELL, I'M SORRY, THE APPLICANT, EXCUSE ME BEFORE I OPEN IT. UH, THE APPLICANT FORGOT TO, I APOLOGIZE, THE APPLICANT LIKE TO, UH, TO ADD ANYTHING TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, STATED BY MR. BASSETT. SURE THING. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, MY NAME IS DENISE GAMON AND I'VE BEEN VOLUNTEERING WITH FIELD DAY, THE PAST FOR 34 YEARS. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, I HAVE BEEN VOLUNTEERING SINCE I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD, AND WE REALLY ARE A FAMILY ORIENTED EVENT. WE'RE NOT HERE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN CELEBRATE AND SHARE THE HISTORY OF RURAL VIRGINIA. AND LAST YEAR WAS OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN EVENT IN DITY, AND I WAS PERSONALLY VERY WELCOME BY THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO BUILDING, UH, IF APPROVED. LOOK FORWARD TO BUILDING THAT COMMUNITY, UH, FOR YEARS TO COME. AND WE ARE ALL HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE, C DASH 26 DASH FOUR. UM, MR. GURLEY, DO YOU HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK NOW? MR. ELMER WOLF? SORRY ABOUT THAT, MY FRIEND. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR OUR MINUTES. THANK YOU. YES. SO MY NAME IS ELMER WOLF. I LIVED 5 4 1 4 HARPERS ROAD. I AM A COUNTY RESIDENT. AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TODAY. UM, I VOLUNTEERED THE FIRST TIME WITH THIS ORGANIZATION LAST SEPTEMBER AND FOUND THEM TO BE, UH, AN EDUCATIONAL ORGANIZATION, FAMILY FRIENDLY, PROVIDE A WHOLESOME FAMILY, UH, EVENT. UH, THEIR FOCUS, AS PREVIOUSLY SAID, IS ON PIONEERING FARMING AND HISTORICAL REPRESENTATION. UH, THEY HAVE REENACTORS, THEY HAVE ANTIQUE FARMING EQUIPMENT, UH, TO ADD JUST A FEW THINGS. AND AS A CITIZEN OF THE COUNTY, I CAN ONLY SEE A VALUE IN IN APPROVING IT IN YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THEIR APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUEST. THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. [01:15:01] MR. CHAIR. I HAVE NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP. ALRIGHT. SO IS THERE ANY, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP, BUT IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME ON UP. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? I THINK I WOULD. ALRIGHT, COME ON UP. AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US. MY NAME IS ROSANNA AVI, I LIVE AT 2 2 1 0 1 GENITOR ROAD, AMELIA, VIRGINIA. MY HUSBAND INHERITED THE LAND. UM, THE LAND HAS BEEN AND HIS FAMILY'S, UM, FOR ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS MAYBE. UM, WE LOVE GOING OVER TO THE PROPERTY AND, UM, WE LIKE TO KEEP IT RURAL AND, UM, THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS IS ABLE TO KEEP, IS ABLE TO, IS, SORRY, I'M, I DON'T LIKE SPEAKING IN PUBLIC, BUT, UM, IT WOULD ENABLE US TO KEEP OUR LAND IN OUR FAMILY'S NAME AND TO KEEP IT RURAL AND BE ABLE TO LET THE YOUNGER GENERATION BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW HIS FAMILY AND OTHER FAMILIES GREW UP AND SURVIVED AND ENJOY A WHOLESOME TIME TOGETHER. UM, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL EVENT. WE HAVE ENJOYED PARTICIPATING IN FIELD DAYS OF THE FA PAST SINCE THEY WERE IN ROCKVILLE. AND WE GOT INVOLVED WHEN THEY CAME TO AMELIA AND, UM, THE LANDOWNERS DID NOT WANNA LEASE ANYMORE, WHICH THAT'S THEIR PRIVILEGE. AND SO WHEN THEY TRIED TO FIND LAND, WE WERE VERY HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND WE HOPE THAT IT WILL CONTINUE. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? HI, MY NAME IS STACY SHALLOW. I LIVE AT 1522 DOGWOOD ROAD, PTE IN VIRGINIA. MY HUSBAND IS THE SAFETY DIRECTOR. UM, I HAVE BEEN AN EDUCATOR FOR 22 YEARS NOW AND EVERYONE KEEPS REFERRING TO, YOU KNOW, HOW VALUABLE IT IS FOR OUR YOUTH TO BE ABLE TO HAVE EVENTS LIKE FIELD DAYS. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, AS AN EDUCATOR THAT HAS TO TEACH VIRGINIA HISTORY STANDARDS OF LEARNING, UM, OFTENTIMES THOSE STANDARDS ARE JUST NOTHING BUT PURE MEMORIZATION. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FACTS. THEY HAVE NO MEANING OR PURPOSE TO A LOT OF OUR STUDENTS, BUT WHEN YOU ADD AN EVENT LIKE FIELD DAYS, IT BRINGS IT TO LIFE. IT MAKES IT HANDS ON, IT GIVES 'EM THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT AND FULLY UNDERSTAND IT. SO THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO UNDERSTAND AND RETAIN THE INFORMATION WHEN THEY DO GET IN FRONT OF THAT STANDARDS OF LEARNING TEST. UM, SO AS AN EDUCATOR, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THIS IS A VERY VALUABLE EVENT FOR OUR YOUTH. AND THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. DON'T BE BASHFUL. IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE? WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SO I'M WAITING. YEAH, WE'LL COME, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, SO IS ANYBODY, ANYBODY ELSE LAST CALL? WELL, LET US CLOSE OUR, OUR PUBLIC HEARING. UH, UM, IF YOU, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO, NORMALLY WE HAVE, UH, FOLKS, UH, ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS THEY MAY HAVE. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO, MAYBE THIS IS YOUR TIME TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW. ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS IF YOU WANT TO. IT'S UP TO YOU. THANK YOU. WE LOVE YOU . ALL RIGHT, PERFECT. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, KIND OF TURN IT TO YOU ALL TO SEE IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I DEFINITELY HAVE COMMENTS. I MEAN, IT'S IN ONE OF THE WORST LOCATIONS FOR THIS, THE ROAD COMING OFF. INE HORSE TRAIL COMES OFF, EXCUSE ME, INE IS A TERRIBLE ENTRANCE TO GO IN AND OUT OF. IT'S A DIRT ROAD. UH, YOU WOULD THEN COME OFF ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS BETTER, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GO, HEY, EVERYBODY THAT'S COMING TO THIS EVENT, YOU NEED TO USE THAT ENTRANCE. UH, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THE ROAD FROM THE PARKING. I MEAN, TO ME THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE GETTING FROM SIDE TO SIDE, PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THERE, DRIVING IT. OBVIOUSLY THE HOURS ARE GONNA BE SOME IN THE DARK, SO PEOPLE MAY NOT BE SEEN AS WELL. UH, I, IT IS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FIELD DAYS OF THE PAST. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. IT'S JUST THE LOCATION IS, IN MY OPINION, ONE OF THE MOST [01:20:01] HORRIBLE LOCATIONS TO HOLD AN EVENT OF THIS SIZE. ANYBODY ELSE? UH, WELL YOU SAID YOU HAD COMMENTS THAT, UH, WELL, I, I'VE TOUCHED TWO THINGS. SAFETY, CROSSING THE ROAD. SURE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE, THE PARKING ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD TO SEE VENT AS OPPOSED TO ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF A ROAD. UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADDRESS TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO GET THERE. I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT A MAP OUT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS HOW WE WANT YOU TO COME, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE WHAT HAPPENS. UH, KIND OF LIKE THE PRIVATE ROAD, IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD. PEOPLE CAN DRIVE ON WHATEVER ROAD THEY WANT TO DRIVE ON, SO IT'S GONNA BE HARD. I DO KNOW VDOT SHUT IT DOWN FOR A WHILE DURING THE EVENT, WHICH WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD. THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY SHUTTING THE ROAD DOWN FOR ANYTHING, UH, OR TELLING NEIGHBORS THEY CAN'T COME THROUGH THAT ROAD AT THAT TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT THAT SAID IT WAS VDOT, WHETHER IT WAS VDOT, Y'ALL, IT DOESN'T MATTER. THE ROAD DOESN'T GET SHUT DOWN. IT SHOULDN'T BE SHUT DOWN UNLESS SOMEHOW SOMETHING IS DONE TO ADDRESS THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. OKAY. UM, MR. A QUESTION FOR STAFF RELATED TO WHAT MR. TIPMAN SAID. AM I, AM I READING CORRECTLY THAT THE CONDITIONS DO NOT ALLOW 'EM FOR PARKING ACROSS THE STREET? RIGHT. IT'S PARKING. THEY, THEY CURRENTLY DO ALLOW 'EM FOR PARKING ACROSS. I'M LOOKING AT, UH, CONDITION NUMBER FOUR. UM, I GUESS THE WAY I READ THAT IS THAT THERE IS, ALL PARKING SHALL BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY, SO THE ROAD BISECTS THE PROPERTY. OH, OKAY. OKAY. MM-HMM . MAYBE THAT, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE FOR ME THAT NEEDS TO BE MORE CLEAR, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN NOW. OKAY. UH, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS? WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT FIELD DAYS OF THE PAST AND THE EVENT, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT BEHIND IT, BUT THERE'S ALSO 12 OTHER EVENTS IN A 12 MONTH PERIOD. CAN WE HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THOSE EVENTS? SURE. OKAY. UM, SO WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE WERE TOLD IS TO SUBMIT ALL POTENTIAL EVENTS THAT WE MIGHT DO. SO AS OF THIS MOMENT, WE HAVE TWO EVENTS. FIELD DAY OF THE PAST, WHICH IS OUR LARGER EVENT, AND WE DO A SMALL EVENT IN DECEMBER CALLED CELEBRATION OF THE SEASON. A CELEBRATION OF THE SEASON, I THINK AT OUR HEIGHT, HAD 500 PEOPLE ATTEND. A CELEBRATION OF THE SEASON IS A NON-DENOMINATIONAL COMMUNITY EVENT. IT'S OUR OPEN HOUSE. WE TAKE DONATIONS TO LOCAL FOOD BANKS, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. UM, WE INVITE LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY COME IN TO OPEN UP BOOTHS. AND IT'S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO MAKE MONEY IF THEY CAN. UM, OUR OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE CAN, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FREE AND YOU CAN COME VISIT SANTA. UM, SO THOSE ARE OUR TWO EVENTS ON THE CALENDAR RIGHT NOW. OTHER EVENTS THAT WE HAVE HOSTED, UH, WHEN WE WERE IN GLAND, WE HOSTED SPRING THING, WHICH WAS, AGAIN, A MUCH SMALLER EVENT. IT WAS STRICTLY A TRACTOR TRUCK PULL EVENT THAT HAVE OCCURRED, UH, 12 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON UNTIL SEVEN AT THE LATEST. UM, AND THAT HOSTED MAYBE 5,000 PEOPLE. UH, SO WE DO NOT HAVE 12 EVENTS RIGHT NOW. OUR MAIN EVENT AND OUR LARGEST CONCERN IS FIELD DAY OF THE PAST, AND THEN THE PROCEEDS FROM FIELD DAY OF THE PAST WITH SUPPORT, THE CELEBRATION OF THE SEASON OF EVENT, WHICH AGAIN IS A FREE COMMUNITY. OKAY. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE 12 ON THE CALENDAR PART OF THE CONDITION, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DROP THAT NUMBER SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE 12 FOR YOU? YES. WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE NUMBER FOR YOU GUYS? SIX. SIX, SIX. AND THEN AS A PART OF THAT, WE ARE WILLING TO OPEN UP THE LAND FOR OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY CAN COME IN AND USE THAT SPACE. I KNOW WHEN WE WERE IN ROCKVILLE, THEY USED THE EMS SERVICES, USED OUR CREEKS FOR THE SURROUND, ALL OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES USED CREEKS, UM, AND LAND TO DO WATER DRILLS, UM, CONTAINMENT OF CHEMICAL SPILLS. SO THEY USED IT FOR A TRAINING SITE AS WELL. UH, AT OUR HEART WE [01:25:01] STARTED AS A NONPROFIT FOR THE LOCAL EMS, UH, AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS. SO THAT'S, WE WANNA PUT A ON WHERE OUR MOUTH IS, WHICH IS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, UH, I GUESS AS A FOLLOW UP TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, PARKING AND THEN MM-HMM . I, UM, WAS JUST MISREADING THIS AND NOT, NOT FAMILIAR WITH, UH, WITH YOUR PROPERTY IS PROBABLY I SHOULD BE. BUT I, I GUESS, UM, NOW THAT I SEE THAT THE, UH, PARCEL IS, UH, BISECTED IN PART BY HORSE TRAIL, I, ONE OF THE, AND I DON'T, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT VDOT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT VDOT CLOSED THE ROAD KIND OF SURPRISES ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU THAT COULD BE ALL RESOLVED IF, IF, UH, IF A CONDITION WOULD BE THAT ALL THE PARKING HAD TO BE ON THE, I'LL SAY THE NORTH AND WEST SIDES. IS THAT, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? UH, SO I WILL SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS A ROAD BISECTING THE PROPERTY. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH WHEN WE WERE IN ROCKVILLE, THE THREE CHOPPED ROAD, UH, WHICH WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD, UH, BISECTED THE PROPERTY AS WELL. SO WE ARE VERY ACCUSTOMED TO GETTING PEDESTRIANS SAFELY ACROSS, UM, A ROAD THAT BEARS TRAFFIC. UH, AS VDOT REPORTS SAID, 60 CARS GO UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD PER DAY. UM, SO THE IMPACT IS NOT GOING TO BE THAT GREAT, TO BE QUITE HONEST. UM, I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING FEASIBLE TO HAVE THE PARKING ALL ON ONE PARCEL. UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE, UH, THE, THE FIELD THAT YOU SEE THERE IS HILLY, UM, WHEN IT RAINED LAST YEAR, IT'S THE FIELD ON THE NORTH AND WEST. YOU MEAN THE FIELD WHERE THE MAIN EVENT IS? YES. SO THAT SIDE IS VERY HILLY. IT DOES HAVE A GULLY WASH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. UM, IT'D ACTUALLY BE IN NOT THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR GAS TO PARK THERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE GOOD DRAINAGE FOR PARKING. UM, THE PARKING ACROSS THE STREET IS FLAT. IT'S LEVEL, IT'S ALSO MUCH MORE ACCESSIBLE TO OUR, TO OUR VISITORS WHO ARE COMING IN THEIR WHEELCHAIRS OR THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, MOBILE VEHICLE OR NOT. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE MOBILE VEHICLES ON THE GROUNDS, BUT THEY'RE MOTORIZED WHEELCHAIRS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. WELL, I THINK THE BASIS OF MY QUESTION REALLY WASN'T AROUND MY BAD OVERALL AVERAGE TRAFFIC. MM-HMM . I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT 60 CARS PER DAY IS, DOESN'T EVEN WARRANT, UH, EVEN IF FUNDING WERE AVAILABLE, IT DOESN'T, UH, WARRANT, UH, PAVING NECESSARILY, BUT MM-HMM . WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS THAT DURING AN EVENT RIGHT, YOU WOULD HAVE FAR MORE THAN 60 CARS PER DAY. CORRECT. AND SO DURING THE EVENT, UM, IS THE BASIS FOR MY QUESTION AGAIN MM-HMM . IS THAT DURING, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MIGHT BE WILLING TO ACCEPT SIX EVENTS, BUT MM-HMM . DURING THOSE SIX EVENTS, IS THERE A WAY TO KEEP THE PARKING ON ONE ON THE SAME SIDE? 'CAUSE YOU WILL HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THAT MAY NOT BE, IN FACT, EVEN IF THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVENT, IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE TO HAVE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING THE ROAD. THAT, I MEAN, I CAN SEE AT LEAST ONE PLACE HERE WITHOUT SEEING THE TOPOGRAPHY IS A, UH, SITE DISTANCE ISSUE. MM-HMM . SO IS THIS FOR THE FIELD DAY OF THE VAST PAST EVENTS SPECIFICALLY, OR ALL EVENTS, UM, LET'S JUST SAY ALL EVENTS, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT, IS IT FEASIBLE? NOT AT THIS TIME. WE, WE'D HAVE TO CLEAR NO LAND WOULD INVOLVE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMITS AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT WOULDN'T BE COST FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME. MM-HMM . UM, ALL EVENTS LIKE CHRISTMAS EVENT AND SMALL THINGS LIKE THAT, YES, IT'S FEASIBLE MM-HMM . BUT FOR A THREE DAY EVENT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ROOM TO TALK ANYTHING IN WITH THE, WITH THE, AND WE FEEL THAT KEEPING THE, UH, THE PARKING PEOPLE THAT PARKING ENTERING AND LEAVING AS THEY DO IS A LOT SAFER TO KEEP THEM AWAY FROM THE EVENT. BUT THEY MAY RUN OVER CHILDREN AND PEOPLE THAT'S WALKING TO SEE THIS AND THAT. UH, THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO KEEP 'EM ACROSS THE ROAD. SO WHAT MA'AM, SO WHAT ABOUT THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT VDI CLOSING THE ROAD? AGAIN, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE, UH, SURPRISING TO ME. DO YOU KNOW, DO, CAN YOU, DO YOU KNOW THE SPECIFICS AROUND HOW THE ROAD WAS CLOSED? I DO NOT KNOW THE SPECIFICS AROUND THE, HOW THE ROAD WAS CLOSED. I DO KNOW THAT WE ROUTED ALL OF THE TRAFFIC NOT THROUGH THAT FIRST TURN ONTO HORSE TRAIL, BUT DOWN AND AROUND, UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE SEMIS CANNOT MAKE THAT TURN. IT'S NOT SAFE TO DO. SO WE HAD THE MESSAGE BOARD DIRECTING THEM DOWN AND AT BROWN ROAD TO COME IN AROUND THE BROWN ROAD BAY, WHICH IS PAVED RIGHT UP OF THEM, QUARTER [01:30:01] MILE SAY, OF THE PROPERTY. MM-HMM . MUCH WIDER ROAD, MUCH BETTER ENTRANCE. AND THAT KEPT, UH, THE PEOPLE AT THE LVM FROM NOT COMING UP THAT SHOP. HORRENDOUS TURN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM . IN THE MESSAGE BOARD STUDY EVENT TRAFFIC. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT SOMEBODY GOT THOSE MESSAGE BOARDS THINKING THAT THEY COULDN'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT IT JUST ROUTED VENT TRAFFIC AROUND BROWN BACK IN. THEY DID HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE AND THEY ALLOWED PEOPLE THAT LIVED PRIOR TO THE EVENT TO COME IN TO THEIR PLACE, BUT IT WAS JUST REDIRECTING THE MOST OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC AROUND. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE ALSO DID WHEN WE WERE IN, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ISSUE IN AMELIA, BUT WHEN WE WERE IN ROCKVILLE, WE PROVIDED RESIDENTS WITH A SPECIAL PASS AND THEY COULD NO ONE ASK THEM QUESTIONS. I WILL SAY THAT IF WE SAW BACKUP AND THE PARKING LOT DOES TURN IN BEFORE OR JUST ACROSS FROM OUR PARKING GATE. SO WE HAVE STAFF THERE AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR PARKING STAFF AND SECURITY THAT WE HIRE THAT COME IN AND HELP MAKE SURE THAT THAT AREA IS SMOOTH. AND IN FACT, IF I SAW BACKUP OR IF I SAW SOMEONE HAVING ISSUES, I WOULD GET OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND WORK TOO. NOT IN THESE HEELS, BUT , I'M, I'M LOOKING BACK THROUGH THE CONDITIONS AS YOU READ 'EM OFF, BUT, UH, IS THERE ONE SPECIFICALLY, UH, REQUIRING MESSAGE BOARDS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT JUST CHOSE NO, WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED. SO MAYBE THE, THE CONCERN Y'ALL BROUGHT UP IS MAYBE A REQUIREMENT THAT, A CONDITION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE USE OF MESSAGE BOARDS. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO USE MESSAGE BOARDS. JUST THINKING, THINKING OUT LOUD HERE WITH WITH, UH, UM, Y'ALL, YOU, YOU KNOW THE AREA BETTER THAN I DO. I'M JUST THINKING HOW PRACTICAL IS IT THAT IF A MESSAGE BOARD IS THERE, THE FOLKS WOULD SEE THAT TO, UH, UH, NO, WE, WE TRY TO TELL EVERYBODY GOING TO THE DRAG STRIP TO COME IN ONE WAY. AND THAT NEVER SEEMS TO HAPPEN. THEY COME FROM ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO THERE, BUT I DON'T, MAYBE I CAN'T SWEAR THAT IT'LL WORK, BUT IT, IT COULD, IT'S POSSIBLE. I DON'T TO, UH, SO I'LL BE HONEST, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I WAS SITTING, I WAS SITTING AT THE FRONT OF THE FIELD WATCHING THE ROAD THE ENTIRE TIME. UM, BECAUSE I WORK IN THE SOUVENIR SHOP THAT FACES THE GATE. UH, I DID NOT, MAYBE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THIS WAY, COMING THROUGH. MR. GURLEY, COULD YOU PUT THAT PICTURE BACK UP THAT HAD THE, THAT WAS MORE DETAILED. SO I UNDERSTAND ON WHAT'S BEING SAID HERE. SORRY. NO, YOU'RE FINE. I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET ORIENTED HERE AND MAYBE ALL OF US. THIS ONE WAS THE CHAT. SO THAT IS OUR PEDESTRIAN ONLY ENTRANCE. ONLY PEDESTRIANS COME SEE THAT. NO, YOU HAD ANOTHER, UH, UH, PLAN VIEW THAT HAD A DRAWING OVERLAID ON IT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? YES. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU . I'M WITH YOU. SO ORIENT YOU GUYS THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS. SO, UH, I ALWAYS LIKE A NORTH ARROW. I NEVER LET MAPS GO AT THE DOOR WITHOUT A MAP. NORTH ARROW. SO WHERE'S THE NORTH ARROW HERE? WHERE'S NORTH? I'M THINKING IT'S, UH, WELL NEVER EAT SOCKY WAFFLES. UM, , THIS WAS A PART OF OUR EVENT MAP. SO THE ROAD THAT, UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NORTH IS, AM I RIGHT? NORTH IS DOWN IN THIS CASE? I THINK IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK. I THINK NORTH IS ABOUT FOUR O'CLOCK. THERE YOU GO. UP UNTIL GATE I DO. OH, WHERE THE, WHERE WHERE THE WORD GATE TICKET BOOTH IS IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER. WMP. WMP. YEAH. I'M TRAILING MY INNER TEACHER. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE ADDITIONAL PARKING IS THE PART OF THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF THAT PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THE ROAD ON? I'M, I'M CORRECT. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THEN TO YOUR POINT WHERE YOU SAID YOU WERE SITTING IS UP UPPER LEFT. YEAH, SO THE, I THINK I CAN'T EVEN SEE, DO YOU MIND IF I APPROACH THEY HAVE APPROACH THE BENCH? SURE. THERE IS ON THAT, UH, SPACE CALLED THE SOUVENIR SHOP. SO I'M RIGHT BEHIND THE TICKET BOOTH. SO THERE'S TWO TICKET BOOTH. UM, THERE'S INFORMATION GAZEBO IN THE CENTER. YEAH, GOTCHA. THE SOUVENIR SHOP WAS THERE. GOTCHA. UM, THE, IT IS A DIRT ROAD, UM, FROM THE END ALL THE WAY TO, I'D SAY OUR FIRST GATE. UH, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC WAS COMING DOWN ACROSS THE MAP. YEAH. SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SITTING IN THE SOUVENIR SHOP FACING HORSE TO A ROAD, YOU'RE SAYING MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS COMING IN AND OUT FROM YOUR RIGHT. COMING IN AND OUT FROM THE TOP OF THE MAP DOWN. YEAH. YEAH. SO FROM THE WAY WE DIRECTED THAT, YES, SIR. SO IS THAT, IS THAT KIND OF, UH, JUST A GENERAL PERCEPTION THAT [01:35:01] MOST PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FROM THAT WAY AND NOT THE OTHER WAY? MM-HMM . OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO HELP ME WITH THE, UH, WHEN THE SOUVENIR SHOP BACK UP TOWARD, UH, UP TOWARD AINE ROAD AND THAT LONG STRAIGHTAWAY, IS THAT HILLY AS WELL? OR IS THAT LEVEL THE STRAIGHTAWAY FROM WHERE YOU TURN THAT FIRST TURN, THAT'S STRAIGHT AREA. AREA IS FAIRLY STRAIGHT. AND I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM A, A GOOGLE IMAGE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S, YOU'VE GOT, IT ROLLS OFF. IT DOES HAVE HILLS, BUT IT'S A STRAIGHT, IT'S NOT A CURVY ROAD. THERE ARE VERY FEW BLIND TURNS. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, RELATED TO THIS AS IT RELATES TO, UH, CONDITION NINE. UH, THIS GETS TO BE A LITTLE FUZZY LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE. I THINK FOR EVENTS WHERE SECURITY IS NEEDED, WHO DETERMINES THAT? LET, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TALK, BECAUSE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS IF, IF, IF MAYBE IT OUGHT TO BE REQUIRED IN ALL EVENTS AT A VERY MINIMUM TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF SAFETY FOR PEOPLE GOING ACROSS THE ROAD. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE SECURITY IN THAT SITUATION? WOULD ME STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WITH A BRIGHT ORANGE VEST TO BE SECURITY OR WOULD IT BE A PAID THIRD PARTY? YOU TELL ME IT'S A CONDITION. I'M, I'M JUST READING IT A CONDITION. AND THE FIRST THING THAT HITS ME IS WHERE IS NEEDED. AND THAT SEEMS, UH, SUBJECTIVE TO ME THAT THE, THE EVENT ORGANIZER WOULD WORK WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE IF IT'S NEEDED TO DETERMINE MR. CHAIRMAN. I, IF MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CUP IS RIGHT, I THINK IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT BE APPLIED FOR. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. BASSETT? IF, IF THERE'S OVER, IF THERE ARE OVER 300 PEOPLE, WHICH THERE WOULD BE FOR FIELD DAY OF THE PAST, PRESUMABLY. SO THAT SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS PROCESS REALLY HAS THE APPLICANT AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WORK OUT WHAT, IF ANY, SECURITY IS NEEDED. ALRIGHT. SO I HEARD IT EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT MAYBE SIX EVENTS WAS A RESPONSE TO A QUESTION. WHAT ARE THE, UH, WOULD THE, WOULD THE, WOULD THE ATTENDANCE OF THOSE SIX, FIVE OR SIX EVENTS WARRANT A, UH, THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT? SO OVER THREE OH, RIGHT. WILL IT? NOT FOR CHRISTMAS, NO. SO THE UPCOMING EVENT WOULD BE THE CELEBR THE EVENT THAT'S NOT FIELD DAY OF THE PAST WOULD BE THE CELEBRATION OF THIS SEASON EVENT. I THINK IN RECENT YEARS SINCE COVID, WE HAD A HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOW UP, AND MOST OF THEM ARE CHILDREN. THAT'S AT CHRISTMAS TIME. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S SHORTER DAYS. SO MAYBE THE CONDITION WOULD BE SOMETHING LESS THAN 300, I DON'T KNOW. AND WE DID ALSO INVITE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO COME OUT FOR THAT, UH, IN ANY WAY. YES, MA'AM. CHRISTMAS EVENT, WE CAN ACTUALLY PARK THEM ON THE GROUND. RIGHT. WE DO PARK THEM ON THE GROUNDS. AND THIS IS DAVE SHILOH, OUR, UM, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO I WAS TRYING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS AROUND SAFETY AND THE CLOSURE OF THE ROAD. AND WITH NOT MANY FOLKS THERE, IF THE VARIABLE MESSAGE BOARD WAS THERE AND CLEAR YOU GIVE A SPECIAL, UH, RESIDENT PERMIT, BUT THEN LET'S RATCHET DOWN THE NUMBER TO SOMETHING LESS THAN 300 THAT GETS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OUT THERE TO HAVE SOMEBODY HELPING WITH PEOPLE CROSSING THE ROAD. WELL, UH, THAT LEADS ME TO A QUESTION ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS. NOT SPECIAL EVENTS, LET'S JUST SAY. AND THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY CAN'T CONTROL THAT IF THEY SAY THE CHRISTMAS EVENT IS GENERALLY A HUNDRED, 200 PEOPLE RIGHT. AND 500 SHOW UP, IT SHOULD HAVE TRIGGERED A SPECIAL EVENT, BUT IT DOESN'T. SO WHAT HAPPENS IN AN INSTANCE LIKE THAT? WELL, THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT OUGHT TO BE ON ALL, IF IT ENDS UP BEING FIVE OR SIX, IT OUGHT TO BE ALL CASES. GIMME A MINUTE TO LOOK AT THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT . OKAY. I MEAN, AT, AT THAT POINT, DO THEY TELL 'EM, OKAY, YOU GOTTA SHUT DOWN 'CAUSE YOU GOT TOO MANY AND WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR THIS PROPERLY. OR DO YOU KEEP IT GOING AND TRY TO PLAN ON THE RUN OR WHATEVER? I, THAT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT CAN HAPPEN. I MEAN, ONLY THING ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS EVENT, THAT'S FOUR HOUR EVENT MM-HMM . UM, AND YOU HAVE THE KIDS, YOU, YOU GET THE BIGGEST INFLUX OF PEOPLE. WHAT THE TWO HOURS WHEN SANTA CLAUS IS THERE, YOU KNOW, THE KIDS COME TO SEE CLIMATE SANTA CLAUS, AND FOR THE MOST PART, BECAUSE IT'S COLD AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT A LOT OF INSIDE PLACES TO GO. PEOPLE TEND TO COME AND GO. SO THE POSSIBILITY OF US HAVING 500 PEOPLE AT ONE TIME ON THE CHRISTMAS EVENT IS, IS, WELL, YOU'D ONLY HAVE TO HAVE 301 TO VIOLATE THE, WELL, [01:40:01] THE ORDINANCE 300 PEOPLE. BUT HONESTLY, IF WE HAD 2 99, IT'D BE LIKE, Y'ALL NEED TO GO HOME. . WELL, I MEAN, I CAN GET, BUT I, I, FOR MY OWN KNOWLEDGE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY RIGHT. THAT HAVE SIMILAR THINGS THAT HAPPEN. UH, THREE PEOPLE WE CAN EVEN PARK. I MEAN, DARRELL LODGES HAS A CAR SHOW. NOW HE MIGHT APPLY FOR A SPECIAL PER EVENT, BUT I KNOW A LOT MORE THAN A COUPLE HUNDRED SHOW UP TO THAT. AND IT'S, WHAT I'M THINKING WAS PLANNING FOR YOUR SUCCESS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . RIGHT. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, THE DEFINITION OF A SPECIAL EVENT MEANS A PRE-PLANNED EVENT TO BE HELD IN THE COUNTY FOR THE PURPOSES OF ENTERTAINMENT, CELEBRATION, AMUSEMENT, CULTURAL RECOGNITION, AMATEUR SPORTS, AND I'LL, I'LL SPARE YOU ALL OF THE DIFFERENT NOMENCLATURE THERE HELD BY AN INDIVIDUAL GROUP ORGANIZATION WHERE ONE ENTRY IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO THAT GETS YOU THERE AUTOMATICALLY IF ENTRY'S OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. TWO ENTRY IS ON THE BASIS OF PAID ADMISSION OR SOLICIT CONTRIBUTIONS, OR THREE MORE THAN 300 PEOPLE ARE IN ATTENDANCE AT ANY ONE TIME AT A FACILITY OR PROPERTY WHERE USAGE FEE OR COMPENSATION IS REQUIRED. AND SO I, I THINK WHAT WAS IN MIND THERE IS, IS MORE OF LIKE A WEDDING VENUE TYPE, UM, THING IN A LOT OF CASES. UM, BUT THOSE, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE THREE BUCKETS THAT PUT YOU AT A SPECIAL EVENT. SO IF YOU, IF YOU ARE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, TECHNICALLY YOU SHOULD BE GETTING A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, EVEN IF IT'S ONLY 120 PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO IF CONDITION NINE WERE MODIFIED TO SAY FOR ALL EVENTS, COMMA, A SECURITY PLAN SHOULD BE PROVIDED BY DEPUTIES WITH THE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. YOU SEE WHAT I'M GOING WITH THAT I, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT THE EXACT WORDING, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS TO BE MORE ALL ENCOMPASSING TO COVER WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE NEED FOR THAT. WITH ALL SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING SIMILAR. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'VE AMENDED 13 SPECIAL EVENTS TO BASICALLY SAY ALL EVENTS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE ENTIRETY OF CHAPTER THREE, ARTICLE TWO, WHICH IS THE SPECIAL EVENTS. AND THEN THAT WAY, IF THEY DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S OPEN TO GENERAL PUBLIC, THEY WOULD NEED TO GET A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT. AND IT'S REALLY NOT AN ONEROUS THING TO GET, UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO APPLY FOR IT EVERY YEAR. AND THE, THE MAIN THING WITH IT IS YOU JUST HAVE TO PLAN AHEAD. UM, SO, SO THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD SUGGESTION. SO IN THIS POINT, BASED ON THE OTHER CONDITIONS, UH, WOULD IT BE GENERALLY ASSUMED THAT SAID, UH, SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IN THIS, IN THIS PARTICULAR SITE WOULD, WOULD BE TO INCLUDE SOME SORT OF, OF GUARANTEE THAT THERE'S SECURITY FOR THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE ROAD. SO IN ORDER TO GET A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO GET THE SHERIFF TO SIGN OFF ON IT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LOOK AT IS, DO YOU NEED SECURITY? NOW, WHEN, WHEN I, WHEN I THINK ABOUT SECURITY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT, I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT SOMEBODY IN A FLUORESCENT VEST. I'M THINKING ABOUT A DEPUTY OR POTENTIALLY A PRIVATE SECURITY TYPE PERSON, UM, WHO MAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HIRE A PRIVATE SECURITY COMPANY TO, TO BE PRIVATE SECURITY ON OCCASION. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY FOR KIND OF THE, THE, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ASPECTS, YOU KNOW, THE, AS FAR AS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THAT, THAT IF, IF THEY'RE EXPECTING 300 PEOPLE, THEY, THEY MAY JUST NEED SOMEBODY IN A, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE 300 PEOPLE AND NO ALCOHOL'S BEING SERVED, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA TRIGGER THE SHERIFF THINKING SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE OUT THERE FOR, FOR A SPECIAL EVENT OF THAT SIZE. AND IT MAY JUST BE THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE LIKE A ROAD CROSSING GUARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL, AND SO MAYBE A, MAYBE A CONDITION TO THAT EFFECT COULD BE ADDED TO THIS. THEN. I KNOW IN THE PAST, AT EVENTS IN OTHER LOCALITIES THAT HAVE PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE OTHER, THE ACTUAL LAW ENFORCEMENT HOLDS PEOPLE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD UNTIL THEY FEEL IT'S SAFE, THEN THEY STAND IN THE ROAD, STOP TRAFFIC, LET THOSE PEOPLE, LET PEOPLE CROSS BOTH WAYS, THEN STOP EVERYBODY AGAIN UNTIL A GROUP OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ACCUMULATE AND THEN THEY GO CROSS AGAIN. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WERE DOING AT THE EVENT. WE DID. WE HAD, UH, THE, THE DEPARTMENT'S AMAZING, JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S AMAZING. UM, THERE WERE, THEY WERE POSTED AT THE FRONT GATE. UM, THEY WERE THERE AND DID ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. AND I DON'T, YEAH, I JUST, THEY WERE AWESOME. . I DON'T, SORRY. SO ON THE TALKING, UH, HAVING OFFICIAL LEFT THE PARKING THIS PAST YEAR, WE, AND THE YEAR BEFORE WE HAVE HAD, WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL PARKING COMING CALLED LEGALSHIELD MM-HMM . AND THEY, UH, [01:45:01] UM, CERTIFIED PEOPLE THAT CAN HAVE HOLD DETAINED PEOPLE FOR POLICE MM-HMM . AND THAT'S THEIR JOB TO KEEP PEOPLE GETTING HIT TO AND ACROSS THE ROAD. WE ARE ALREADY EMPLOYED THE STATE MM-HMM . AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO. SO Y'ALL BROUGHT UP THE ISSUES ABOUT THIS. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN KIND OF, UH, DISCUSSED A NAUSEUM ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR CONCERNS COULD BE ADDRESSED WITH A, A CONDITION TO THAT EFFECT OR NOT. WELL, I MEAN, SUPPOSEDLY Y'ALL ARE SAYING IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. IF SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DECIDES THAT THAT'S DEEMED NECESSARY, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO IT. CORRECT. I DIDN'T NECESSARILY TAKE THAT THOUGH. I'M LIKE, USE SECURITY HAS A VERY SPECIFIC CONNOTATION. AND I THOUGHT RIGHT. YOU THINK THAT'S MORE OF CROWD CONTROL AND THAT'S MORE LIKE THE, UH, RAMBOS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, , YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY TAKE. I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT FOR Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT NOW. NOW I WILL SAY THIS, WHEN I WAS AT VOI DID HELP WITH A MEADOW EVENT PARK IN HANOVER COUNTY. YOU KNOW HOW WE SOLVED THIS WITH THAT? HMM. THE APPLICANT COMMITTED TO BUILDING A PEDESTRIAN TUNNEL, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT WAS A MUCH BIGGER EVENT. I'M KIND OF TEASING ON THAT. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT. LET'S BUILD THE TUNNEL. LET'S, I MEAN, I'M, I'M GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. SO, UH, ARE, ARE IS THE, I'VE HEARD SEVERAL THINGS BROUGHT UP IN THE, IN THE CONTEXT OF ONE, UM, ONE CONDITION WITH THE NUMBER OF VENTS THAT, DO WE NEED TO MODIFY THAT AND DO WE NEED TO MODIFY OR ADD A CONDITION, UH, RELATED TO THIS LAST TOPIC? COULD I ADD SOMETHING? SURE. GO AHEAD. I'M DAVID SHILOH FIELD, UH, SAFETY DIRECTOR FIELD DAY. THE PAST, UM, I WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH, UH, WITH ALL THE DSE OR DCSO, UH, GUN SCOTT GOODWIN, KENNEDY, BYRON, ALL GOOD. LEE OWEN FISH. CAN'T FORGET FISH . WE ARE WORKING ON THIS, UH, MY, MY STATION IS SET AT THE GATE, THE MAIN GATE THAT DAVE JUST SHOWED. UM, THAT'S WHERE MY STATION IS. WE'RE ALL IN COMMUNICATION, CELL PHONES, WALKIE TALKIES, ALL NINE YARDS. BUT IT'S RIGHT AT THE GATE. I HAVE GOLF CARTS, FOUR WHEELERS THAT ARE MANNED AND YES. INVESTS AND THEY'RE TRAINED. I'M OSHA CERTIFIED SO I CAN TRAIN RIGHT OTHERS TO DO WHAT WE NEED DONE. WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH FIRE, POLICE, RESCUE, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. WE'RE, WE'RE FRIENDS WITH ALL OF 'EM, AND WE ALL GET ALONG. WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. WE DON'T WANT TO IMPEDE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC MM-HMM . UNLESS THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO LET AN AMBULANCE OUT, EVERYBODY STOPS, LET'S GO, OR POLICE CAR COMING IN OUT. WE WORK GOOD. IT'S, IT'S ALMOST THAT WE'RE HOPING LIKE CLOCKWORK, THIS GOES VERY SMOOTH. YOU EVEN HAVE A LANDING ZONE FOR A HELICOPTER JUST IN CASE IT'S NEEDED. WELL, I THINK A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ARE BASED IN PART ON THE FACT THAT THE CONDITION, IF APPROVED RIGHT, COULD OUTLIVE YOUR PARTICIPATION OR YOUR OWNER OF THE CURRENT OWNERSHIP. AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT ABOUT A CRITICISM OR, OR QUESTIONING OF WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING, BUT RATHER WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD. IT'S A SAFETY NECESSITY. EXACTLY. WE UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING SO CLOSELY TOGETHER. THAT GATE IS ALWAYS MANNED WITH A PERSON ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD. MM-HMM . SO, AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH SPEEDERS. WE THOUGHT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. NO, IT WOULD GO SLOW THROUGH THERE DURING SHOW. NO. IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT EMOTION OR ONE TO, UH, TO MAYBE DISCUSS AMENDING OR ADDING CONDITIONS FIRST OR WHAT? WE DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS. UM, SO WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. WELL, YOU WANNA HEAR THAT OR NOT? I DON'T CARE. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS IS REGARDING, UM, 11, UH, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES REQUIREMENTS. UM, THE MINIMUM IS FOR, UH, TWO, UH, EXCUSE ME, I HAVE TO READ TWO VIRGINIA OFFICE OF EMS LICENSE, ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT TRANSPORT AMBULANCES. UM, AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UH, JUST WANTED TO SAY LAST YEAR WE DID HAVE THOSE ON THE GROUNDS. UM, IT WAS AT THE COST OF $25,000. TO BE COMPLETELY CLEAR, THAT IS MORE THAN WE PAID THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THE, ALL OF OUR, UM, PORTA JOHN'S AND OUR SECURITY TEAM. AND THAT'S SET AT THE MINIMUM AS A NONPROFIT THAT IS [01:50:01] NOT SUSTAINABLE. UM, COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE AND SAFETY IS OUR TOP PRIORITY. BUT IF THAT'S THE MINIMUM FOR THE FIELD DAY OF THE PAST EVENT, IF WE SAY DON'T HAVE A RADIO OR WE DON'T HAVE A TRUCK AND TRACTOR EVENT, HAVING TWO ADVANCED LIFE SYSTEMS IN PLACE WOULD BE OVERKILL TO BE QUITE HONEST. AND THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A TRACTOR AND TRACK POLE OR A RODEO. SO IF THAT'S THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT WE HAVE TO MEET FOR A SHOW THAT'S GOING TO DRAW LESS THAN $25,000 WORTH OF PEOPLE, WE WOULDN'T BE SUSTAINABLE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM . AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH ANYONE, BUT WE HAD TO DO A PRIVATE, BECAUSE THE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORTS ARE RARE AND EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. I GET SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVE TRUCK AND TRACTOR PULLS OR RODEOS, THEN YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE TWO A LS PROVIDERS ON SCENE? IT IT, SO I WILL BE, CAN I BE FULLY TRANSPARENT? YEAH. I MEAN, LAST YEAR THEY SAT IN THE TRUCK AND THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. RIGHT. BUT YOU COULD RIDE A HORSE AND BREAK YOUR NECK IN A RODEO AND YOU WOULD NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S PRETTY DARN PROFICIENT AT WHAT THEY DO INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY JUST SLAPPING A SPLINT ON YOU. RIGHT. YOU COULD, AND IN THE PAST WE'VE WORKED WITH LOCAL EMS TO GET THAT DONE. UM, WE CALLED IN OTHER COUNTIES, WE'VE WORKED WITH VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE MONEY THAT WE SPEND STAYS IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. AND YOU CAN DO THAT. NOBODY SAID YOU HAD TO GET AN OUTSIDE PROVIDER. YOU COULD TALK TO DEN WIT. YES. THEY HAVE TO GET AN OUTSIDE PROVIDER. WE WERE REQUIRED THEY COULDN'T WORK WITH THE VOLUNTEERS. WE COULD NOT, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE HAD TO WORK WITH AN OUTSIDE PROVIDER. IT HAD TO BE A CONTRACT. OKAY. PROVIDER. ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH RESCUE SQUAD WHO WERE WILLING TO WORK TO COME TOGETHER ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS TO WORK THE EVENT AND OKAY. THAT'S WHY WHEN WE WENT WITH THE CONTRACT, THE CONTRACT THAT PROVIDED WE WENT WITH WAS THE, THE LEAST EXPENSIVE THAT WAS $25,000. THE NEXT STEP UP IS 50,000. FINANCIALLY, WE JUST CAN'T HANDLE THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE 45,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP IN A WEEKEND, IT'S COMPLETELY FEASIBLE. BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD, I DON'T HAVE 45,000 PEOPLE. AGAIN, IT WON'T BE IN MY LIFETIME. WELL, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, THIS YEAR THE VIRGINIA HOSPITAL RODEO WILL NOT BE ATTENDING BECAUSE THERE ARE SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA MEMBERS REQUEST TO HAVE A RODEO OUT THERE SO THAT THE MEMBERS ON THIS ENJOY THE TRIP THAT WAY. UM, SO THE HIGH SCHOOL RODEO WILL NOT BE WITH US AS FAR AS THE TRACK IS CONCERNED. WE HAVE A, WHAT IT CALLED THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT. LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT AND PROCESS RIGHT NOW FOR THE TRACK IS AWAITING THE OUTCOME OF THE CDP. IF THE CDP DOESN'T GO THROUGH, THEN THE TRACK DOESN'T GO THROUGH WITHOUT A TRACK AND NO FULL ATTRACTIONS. WE MAY BE TALKING, WE MAY BE TALKING TO 2000 PEOPLE MAXIMUM. MM-HMM . SO I GUESS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT, THAT OUR CONCERN IS WE WANNA PROVIDE AS MUCH SAFETY AND AND SERVICES AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE WITHIN OUR BUDGET TO KEEP OUR PEOPLE SAFE, BUT TO TIE US INTO THESE RESTRICTIONS AND A CONDITIONAL ABUSE PERMIT MAY NOT, THE CONDITIONS MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE. FEASIBLE FOR THE EVENT THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON. SO WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? THEY SAY THAT HAVING TWO COMPLETE UNITS IS UNDERSTANDABLE. IF YOU GOT A HIGH RISK AREA ON ONE END AND ANOTHER HIGH RISK AREA, ELECTRIC SPOKE PAGE RODEO ON THE OTHER END. BUT WHEN YOU ARE ONLY HAVING ONE HIGH RISK THING, WE NEED TO NEED THIS, UH, CONDITION AMENDED TO SUPPLY FOR WHAT WE NEED. NOT, NOT AS A BLANKET THING. AND ALSO, AND THAT WOULD CUT IT, CUT IT CONSIDERABLY. ALSO, IF YOU COULD USE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, THAT WOULD HELP. AND IT'S LIKE DENISE SAID, WE'RE SPENDING $25,000 FOR AN OUTSIDE SERVICE THAT'S GOING OUTSIDE OF INWOOD COUNTY, IT'S GOING TO TEXAS OR OUTSIDE OF THE LOCALE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, DEALING A PART COMMUNITY, YOU CANNOT BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY IF YOU CAN'T GIVE BACK. AND WITH SERVICES LIKE THIS, WE CAN'T AFFORD GIVE BACK. MM-HMM . I, I WOULD ASK, WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION THEN? UM, MY SUGGESTION IS TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM BURDEN, UM, TO ONE. NO, I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT WE COULD GO WITH A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION AND THAT [01:55:01] EACH EVENT WE LOOKED AT ON ITS OWN MERIT AS TO WHAT FIRE CHIEFS THINGS REQUIRE. WELL, I BELIEVE THAT'S A COUNTY, IS THAT A COUNTY ISSUE, ISN'T IT? REGULATION WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? THAT'S NOT A CUP ITEM REALLY ONCE YOU GET INTO A SPECIAL EVENT AND THE USE OF, SO THERE ARE PROVISIONS, THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ORDINANCE THAT DEAL WITH FIRE AND EMS. IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FIRE AND EMS IS ASKING FOR SPECIFICALLY THESE CONDITIONS IN 11. UM, I, AND YOU KNOW, I I I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE AND EMS DIVISION ABOUT THIS. UM, IT MAY BE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME, SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT, UM, AFTER THIS MEETING. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I'M, I'M NOT A FIRE CHIEF, SO I TAKE IT WITH THAT CAVEAT AND I, I'M NOT SPEAKING, CAN'T BIND THEM HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF TUCKAHOE WERE REALLY PROVIDED AN A LS UNIT AND IT WAS AN A LS UNIT AND THEY AGREED TO COME TO WHATEVER PRE-PLANNING MEETING NEEDED TO HAPPEN, AND MAYBE THEY SIGNED A PIECE OF PAPER, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A CONTRACT? THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO CHIEF KISSNER AND HIS FOLKS ABOUT MM-HMM . UM, I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S ON, THAT'S ONGOING. MM-HMM . SO KIND OF RELATED TO THAT THEN, IS THERE A REASON WHY IT HAS TO BE CONTRACTED OUT AND NOT FOR VOLUNTEERS? IS THERE, IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? FROM THE FIRE CHIEF? SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS LANGUAGE CAME FROM THE FIRE AND EMS DEPARTMENT. I HAVE NOT HAD ANY DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT IT. SO I, I'M OKAY. I, I I, I DON'T KNOW. SO TO YOUR, TO YOUR OTHER, TO YOUR OTHER POINT, IS THAT MORE APPROPRIATE TO TAKE THIS OUT OF C-U-P-A-A CONDITION OUT OF THE CUP AND BECAUSE IT'S APPLICABLE IN THE SPECIAL, UH, EVENT PERMIT AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO, TO, TO GO THROUGH THIS LAST YEAR BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THAT SPECIAL EVENT PROCESS. MM-HMM . MR. BASSETT, I THINK HAS MAYBE TALKED DIRECTLY TO FIRE AND EMS ABOUT IT. SO I, AND, AND I HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BECOMING A SIGNIFICANT STICKING POINT FOR PEOPLE. AND I, I CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT, BUT I I, I DON'T HAVE THE BACKGROUND OF OF, OF EXACTLY WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. AND MY COMMENT IS, IS THAT I, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR TWO FOR A REASON NOW, WHY THEY CAN'T BE VOLUNTEERS. I, I AGREE WITH, UM, TYLER THERE, BUT THE REASON YOU ALWAYS WANT TWO IS BECAUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND ONE HAS TO LEAVE AND TRANSPORT, TAKE SOMEBODY TO THE HOSPITAL, RIGHT. YOU HAVE SOMEONE THEN YOUR EVENT, TECHNICALLY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SECOND ONE THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SHUT DOWN MM-HMM . BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOBODY TO PROTECT. CORRECT. THAT'S THE REASON YOU ALWAYS ASK THEM FOR THEM TO AND EVERYTHING. WHY THEY CAN'T BE A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION IF THEY MEET THE STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS. I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT EITHER, BUT I, THAT I CAN'T, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT EITHER. I DID NOT HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM ABOUT VOLUNTEERING MM-HMM . AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I, I THINK THE CONDITION NEEDS TO BE IN. I I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU BOTTOM LINE, OKAY. I'VE DONE FIRE AND EMF FOR 30 SOMETHING YEARS HERE IN THIS COUNTY. MM-HMM . I'M PART OF THE VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION THAT IS HERE TO HAVE AN EVENT. AND I'M GONNA AGREE WITH MR. TIP OVER THERE TO HAVE AN EVENT, ALL IT TAKES IS ONE FELONY. RIGHT. SO, AND THAT 25,000 WOULD BE THE BEST INVESTMENT THAT YOU'VE EVER IMAGINED. RIGHT. IT JUST TAKES ONE THING TO HAPPEN. THAT'S THE REASON I SAID THAT CONDITION NEEDS TO BE THERE. AND WITH THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, YOU, I, I WOULD TELL YOU, YOU NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO. SO WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING TWO, AND I, AND I AGREE WITH YOU BY THE WAY, BUT WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING TWO AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SPECIFIED THAT IT HAS TO BE CONTRACTED OUT? I, I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT, CAN WE? I DON'T THINK, WELL, NO, WHAT, WHAT I'M GETTING, I WAS THINKING VERY SIMPLY, IF YOU COULD JUST CHANGE NUMBER 11 AND TAKE SHALL CONTRACT, AND I SEE THAT IN AT LEAST TWO PLACES, MAYBE MORE, BUT IF YOU TOOK SHALL CONTRACT AND CHANGE THAT TO SHALL PROVIDE, THEN THAT TAKES CARE OF IT. BUT IF THE COUNTY SAYS YOU HAVE TO, [02:00:01] THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THE VOLUNTEERS AND ALL TO DO THAT THEN, BUT I'M, BUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. RIGHT. SO WE, I DON'T SEE , I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN OMIT THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW, THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OR HAVE A PERSON HERE THAT CAN ANSWER US. IF PUBLIC SAFETY HAD COME TONIGHT AND WAS ABLE TO TALK TO US ABOUT THIS, WE COULD PROBABLY TALK SOME ABOUT IT, BUT, WELL, IS IS IT A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD TABLE THIS AND WE COULD GET THEM IN HERE TO TALK ABOUT GETTING IT DONE? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S AN ANSWER. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE TO TABLE IT. SO I I DON'T HOW YOU HAVE A FRESH, Y'ALL ARE TO GET THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IF YOU'VE GOT AN EXTRA MONTH TO ADD ON THE WHOLE PROCESS, IT WOULD BE STRESSFUL BECAUSE THE NEXT MEETING IS JULY 22ND. IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE HAVE THE LAND USE PERMIT THAT WE HAVE TO FILE. 18TH, 19TH, 20TH. YEAH. YEAH. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU WOULDN'T GET IT HEARD UNTIL AUGUST FROM THE BOARD. IF WE TABLED IT TONIGHT, WE WOULDN'T TAKE IT UP UNTIL JULY. THEN THE BOARD WOULD TAKE IT UP IN AUGUST AT THEIR MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE 20TH, 18TH, 20TH, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. AUGUST 18TH IS THE BOARD MEETING. JULY 9TH WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THERE. AND THEN YOU'RE ON TOP OF YOUR EVENT WITH LESS THAN A MONTH. LEMME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION THEN, IF, IF WE DO THAT, UM, UM, MR. BASSETT, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND APPLY FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT NOW? I MEAN, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? I DON'T WANNA GET THROUGH AUGUST AND I'M, I'M IN A POSITION THAT I, I CAN'T STOP PLANNING BECAUSE I CAN'T WAIT TILL AUGUST IF YOU SAY JUST THE PLAN AND ALL RIGHT, HOW ABOUT MAY I SPEAK ALWAYS REMEMBER WE ARE RECOMMENDATION BOARD, RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. WE'RE NOT THE FINAL SAY ON ANY OF THIS. SO NO MATTER WHAT THE VOTE IS TONIGHT, IF, IF YOU SAY YOU DON'T LIKE THIS AND WE SAY WE DON'T LIKE THAT, WHATEVER THE VOTE IS, YOU HAVE TIME TO WORK IT OUT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BOARD LEVEL AND COME UP WITH AN AMICABLE SOLUTION THAT KEEPS THE PROCESS ROLLING. NOW YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I SEE NOW WE'RE AT A, WE'RE KIND OF AT A QUANDARY ON THIS. THE, WELL, IT WAS IN THAT SAME SPIRIT THAT I WAS RECOMMENDING CHANGING THE LANGUAGE TO SHALL PROVIDE AND LET THE PROCESS KEEP ROLLING, GET THAT ADDRESSED OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS. THAT WAS MY THINKING. OKAY. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW. CAN WE DO THAT? I MEAN, IT'S OUR CONDITION. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE SPECIAL EVENT SAYS, I DON'T, WHETHER YOU DO IT OR NOT, I WOULD THINK THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT OVERRIDES WHAT WE PUT IN THERE. SURE. EXACTLY. WHETHER WE CHANGE IT OR NOT. RIGHT. IT, IT, IT IS NOT GONNA FIX THIS. RIGHT. IT IT'S STILL GONNA NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THE BOARD. SO. RIGHT. WELL, LEMME REPHRASE MY COMMENT IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION. I THINK, I THINK THE STAFF SEES THE INTENT THAT WE WANT TO KIND OF KEEP THIS MOVING ALONG. DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO PROCEED THAT PROTECTS OUR RISK, UH, AS WELL? WOULD WE BE ABLE TO WRITE IN THERE THAT THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES REQUIREMENTS FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT AS NO, I MEAN, I I HONESTLY, I'M KIND OF JUST LIKE Y'ALL, I'M A LITTLE BEFUDDLED RIGHT NOW OF EXACTLY THE RIGHT WAY TO PROCEED ON THIS. RIGHT. UH, I I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT BECAUSE I, RIGHT. I USED TO LIVE WITH THE CHIEF , I STILL LIVE WITH THE PAST CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMS AND I WOULD REMEMBER EVENTS THAT WERE HELD, NOT HERE MM-HMM . BUT OTHER EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD GET HURT AT SMALL EVENTS. I MEAN, IT WAS A, IT WAS A RACE. I MEAN, WHICH I KNOW THESE AREN'T RACES UNLESS YOU'RE AT A RODEO, THEN THERE'S BARREL RACES MM-HMM . BUT, UM, SOMEBODY GETS HURT AND IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TWO, THEN THEY CALLED THE COUNTY AND SAID, COME PICK 'EM UP AT THE END OF THE ROAD, WE'RE GONNA DROP 'EM OFF WITH YOU. THEN IT BECOMES AN UNDUE BURDEN TO THE COUNTY. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY THEY WENT TO TWO. THAT WAY IF ONE LEFT YOUR EVENT COULD CONTINUE TO GO AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THERE FOR THE NEXT. AND OBVIOUSLY IF THAT ONE'S GONE AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER EVENT, YOU'VE GOTTA SAY, WE'RE GONNA HALT ALL RACING UNTIL WE CAN GET AN AMBULANCE BACK ON SCENE. YEAH, I I MEAN THAT'S JUST, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT'S NO, I CALL IT HIGH RISK EVENT, RIGHT? LIKE A TRACTOR PULL WHERE [02:05:01] A TRUCK COULD GET AWAY OR SOMETHING, BLOW UP, WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT IT OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING COULD OR A RODEO WHERE SOMEBODY GETS BUCKED OFF OR FALLS OFF OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS. WOULD THEY REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE TWO AT THAT POINT WHERE IT'S JUST SOMEBODY THERE IN CASE SOMEBODY HAS A HEART ATTACK? SOMEBODY, OH MY GOSH, YOU FALLS OR BREAKS AN ARM OR A LEG OR WHAT? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S, I HAVE TO SAY IN 30, WHAT, EIGHT YEARS? HOW LONG HAS, HAS BEEN GOING THREE, FOUR YEARS? WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY OF THAT HAPPEN. SO I'M, AND I HOPE YOU NEVER DO. I'M TOUCHING WOOD RIGHT NOW. , I HOPE YOU NEVER DO, BUT NEVER ADMIRATION ONCE IN A WHILE. RIGHT. FRUSTRATION. I'VE SEEN CRAZY THINGS. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD MAN. NO, I'M DONE. SO WOULD 30 DAYS PUT YOU TOO FAR BACK TO GET DONE WHAT YOU NEED TO GET DONE IN SEPTEMBER? WHAT, WHERE, WHAT, WHERE WE'RE RUN INTO NOW IS IF IT DOESN'T GET HEARD UNTIL AUGUST AND THAT DOESN'T GIVE US TIME TO GO. RIGHT. THE, UH, LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT, LAND DISTURBANCE TO THAT. AND I HOW LONG THAT PROCESS WILL THEY, THEY SAID THIS HAS TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE WE CAN GO BACK. I DUNNO. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M LOOKING AT SECTION THREE DASH 33 OF THE COUNTY CODE, WHICH IS IN THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT SECTION, WHICH ANY EVENT MORE THAN 300 PEOPLE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW. AND IT REQUIRES PLANS, UM, BE APPROVED AND SPECIFICALLY IT REQUIRES DA PLAN FOR MEDICAL FACILITIES FOR PERSONS AT THE SPECIAL EVENT SUCH PLAN TO BE APPROVED BY THE DIVISION CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMSI. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE AND EMS WROTE WHAT THEY WERE THINKING INTO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SAYS, IT STILL HAS, THERE STILL HAS TO BE A PLAN THAT GETS APPROVED BY THE CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMS AND I, I THINK A LOT OF THIS REALLY HINGES ON A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE CHIEF OF FIRE AND EMS. I'VE NOT BEEN PARTY TO THOSE RIGHT. TO THOSE TALKS. UM, BUT THAT'S BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT. IS THIS CONDITION EVEN NECESSARY IF IT'S DUPLICATIVE WITH THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT? OR CAN IT BE MODIFIED AS I PREVIOUSLY SUGGESTED? HONESTLY, BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I, I WONDER IF IT'S EVEN NEEDED AT ALL, IF IT'S NEEDED. I, I, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M AS COUNTY ATTORNEY. I, I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN WHAT THE, THE FIRE AND EMS CHIEF, I THINK HAS, IT LOOKS LIKE RECOMMENDED FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, CONDITION. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT CONVERSATIONS THEY'VE HAD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO, DO VOLUNTEERS COUNT. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE, AS YOU AS, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE FIRE AND EMS PEOPLE DO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT SAFETY AND I, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD, COULD TAKE AN ACTION TONIGHT AND KIND OF PUT A NOTE FOR THE BOARD THAT THAT WAS A, AN UNRESOLVED ISSUE. UM, YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF MY, MY PREVIOUS QUESTION AROUND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BEST ADVICE? I THINK YOU GET A SENSE OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE. THERE'S A, A COMMENT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EVENTS. I THINK WE CAN COVER THAT ONE FAIRLY EASILY, BUT TO THE REST OF THIS AND THE ROAD SAFETY TOO. BUT TO THE, BUT TO THE REST OF THIS, IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO BEST TEE THAT UP FOR CONVERSATION BETWEEN NOW AND A BOARD MEETING IN, IN JULY? SO, AND I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ISSUE IS. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FIR AND EMS WITHOUT, WITHOUT FIRING EMS BEING HERE, ALTHOUGH MR. TIMUS IS QUITE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT IT, UM, WITHOUT THEM BEING HERE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE A LOT OF PROGRESS ON THAT TONIGHT. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN RECOMMEND WHATEVER IT WANTS TO THE BOARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. UM, THERE WERE ALSO SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I GUESS THE, THE ROAD CROSSING TYPE OF THING. UM, WELL, SO YOU, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS YOU WANT TO, TO THE, TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE CUP AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD AND, UM, WELL, I'LL MAKE, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT. I, IT DOES. I, I, I THINK THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER IN THE WAY OF A MOTION. THERE'S A COMMENT MADE ABOUT BEING THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT LESS EVENTS YOU AGREED TO SIX, SIX IS FINE. THAT THAT CAN BE AMENDED. EXCELLENT. IN, UH, IN NUMBER, UH, TWO, AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU TO WHAT YOU THINK IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH COULD BE PROVED DISAPPROVED. BUT I THINK CLEARLY THE MESSAGE IS, IS OUT THERE AS TO WHAT NEEDS TO, TO HAPPEN AND, AND, AND THE PARK, OR EXCUSE ME, YEAH, THE PARKING, I FELT LIKE, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS ANSWERED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SPECIAL. [02:10:01] I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY CLEARLY ANSWERED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SPECIAL, UH, EVENT PERMIT. BUT I MAY BE WRONG. WELL, IN THE, I'M, I'M READING MY EYES ARE GOING DOWN THE PAGE ON THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT FOR YOU HERE, RIGHT AFTER DE IS THE PLAN FOR PARKING FACILITIES AND TRAFFIC CONTROL IN AND AROUND THE SPECIAL EVENT AREA, INCLUDING A SECURITY PLAN INDICATING THE NUMBER OF DEPUTIES IF REQUIRED SUCH PLAN TO BE APPROVED BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. SO THERE HAS TO BE A PLAN FOR PARKING FACILITIES AND TRAFFIC CONTROL. IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THAT'S IN THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT. AND IT, FRANKLY, IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN 300 PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW THAT PARKING FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS A HUGE CONCERN. YEP. SO IF WE HYPOTHETICALLY SAY DISAPPROVE IT AND THEY GET IT CORRECTED BY THE TIME THEY GET THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, EVERYTHING WOULD BE OKAY. WELL, IF YOU RECALL WE HAD A SIMILAR, UH, PROCEDURAL ISSUE WITH THE DOLLAR GENERAL A WHILE BACK WHERE, UM, I THINK A COUPLE THINGS WERE IN PLAY THERE. WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG CROWD HERE AND DIDN'T HEAR A WHOLE LOT. AND THEN SECONDLY, UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT AND WE ENDED UP DISAPPROVING IT. BUT ALL THAT GOT RESOLVED OVER THE NEXT MONTH. AND THEN THE NEXT MONTH, A BAZILLION PEOPLE SAID THEY NEEDED A A DOLLAR GENERAL AND IT GOT APPROVED. RIGHT. SO, SO THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED. I GUESS WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO GET THIS RISEN TO THE, TO THE TOP OF PEOPLE'S CONCERNS. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST, WE OUGHT TO EITHER APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE IT AND LET THEM WORK THESE MINUTE DETAILS, ESPECIALLY BY THE EMS. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT MINUTE, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE COST, BUT, AND IT'S LIFE SAVING SERVICES GET THAT THING TO GET THAT STRAIGHT. I THINK WHAT WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD IS WHAT OUR CONCERNS WERE. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN THEY'LL GO, OKAY, IF THEY'VE MET WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE, THEN THEY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER TO APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE. NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THERE WAS A CONDITION, I BELIEVE IT WAS 13 AND THERE WAS A QUESTION, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE 300 PERSON RULE. IT COULD SAY, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT GATHERINGS OR 300 MORE PERSONS, IT COULD JUST SAY ALL ACTIVITIES SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE ENTIRETY OF CHAPTER THREE. AND THAT WAY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE. AND YOU WOULD JUST, IF, IF AN EVENT IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IT WOULD JUST GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROCESS. THAT WOULDN'T INCLUDE ANY VOLUNTEER EVENTS THOUGH. SO SAY WE HAD 10 PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR A NO. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. RIGHT? YEAH. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF MOTION, BUT THAT WOULD SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE CHANGE IN 13 AND ALSO THE TWO AND TWO, RIGHT? CAN I GUESS IT DOWN? YES. OKAY. I, I MEAN, I WOULD, I'M GONNA TELL YOU IF I MAKE THE MOTION, IT'S GONNA BE FOR, FOR DISAPPROVAL, AND I'M STILL GONNA NOTATE ALL THE THINGS WE JUST SAID WHEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD. NOW, IF Y'ALL ARE, IF MORE OF YOU THINK YOU'RE INCLINED TO PASS IT, THEN IT WOULD BE BETTER IF ONE OF Y'ALL MADE THE, THE MOTION. WELL, I THINK THE GENERAL SENSE IS GONNA GET THERE EITHER WAY. WELL, IT'S GOING EITHER WAY. YEAH, I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME IF I MAKE IT. YEAH, AND WE CAN TRY THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT FAILS, WE GOTTA GO AND MAKE A WHOLE NEW MOTION ALL OVER AGAIN IF YOU'RE NOT, WELL, IF WHAT IT'S WORTH, I WALKED OUTTA HERE ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL FEELING COMFORTABLE AND I VOTED NO. OKAY. I VOTE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I FELT COMFORTABLE ON IT BEING RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.22286 A THREE AND SEVEN AND ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 22 DASH 22 AND 22 DASH TWO, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C DASH 26 DASH FOUR AS PRESENTED, BE RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT, IF IT IS APPROVED, THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS SECTION NUMBER 13 TO SAY ANY GATHERING AND THEN [02:15:01] MOVE THE NUMBER OF EVENTS TO SIX AND LET THEM DECIDE, LET 'EM WORK ON IT UNTIL THEN SO THAT THEY CAN COME TO SOME RESOLUTION. UH, FOR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THOSE ISSUES OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTENT, PURPOSE, AND DESIGN DENWITY COUNTY ZONING CODE. I SECOND. SO BEFORE THE VOTE STAFF, YOU FEEL, YOU FEEL LIKE THAT, UH, CHARACTERIZES A SENSE AND MAKES, UH, IS APPROPRIATE FOR CARRYING FORWARD IN TERMS OF, UH, UNDERSTANDING NOT YOUR AGREEMENT, BUT UNDERSTANDING. I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT ALL GATHERINGS SHALL BE SUBJECT, MAYBE SAY ALL EVENTS, ALL EVENTS. JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT IF YOU DO HAVE 15 VOLUNTEERS OUT THERE, YES, IT'S ALL, THEY HAVE EVENTS THAT ARE ALL PUBLIC EVENTS. ALL PUBLIC EVENTS. I THINK IN MY MIND, WHEN YOU SAY ALL EVENTS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROCESS THAT KICKS YOU OVER TO DO I IS THIS A SPECIAL EVENT OR NOT UNDER THE THREE FACTOR TEST THERE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. EVENTS THEN. SO THAT, THAT'S THE, I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF WHAT I'LL SAY. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT SECOND? I AGREE. ALRIGHT, THANK Y'ALL. THAT'S, UH, UH, MR. GURLEY THEN IF, UH, VOTE FOR THAT. MR. TITMUS? AYE. MR. TAYLOR? NO. MR. SIMMONS? AYE. MR. LANGLEY AYE AND MR. HAYES? YES. FOUR MEMBERS? YES. ON DISAPPROVAL, . SO I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY AGREEMENT, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG IN IN SAYING THIS, BUT I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD, HEALTHY DISCUSSION. I THINK THERE'S A GENERAL AGREEMENT ABOUT YOUR PLANS, BUT THIS ONE STICKING POINT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT GET RESOLVED OVER THE NEXT MONTH AND AS, AS OPPOSED TO NOT, UM, LETTING IT WAIT A MONTH AND, UH, THIS IS THE BEST WAY WE FIGURED THAT WE COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. DID I SAY THAT? WELL, YES. OKAY. MR. THIS DOESN'T SLOW YOU DOWN ANYMORE. WHETHER WE HAD APPROVED IT OR DECLINED IT, IT'S STILL GOING TO GO TO THE BOARD AND THEY'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WE BROUGHT FORTH IN OUR MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK IT'S BEEN STATED EARLIER TONIGHT, BUT THAT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING JULY 21ST AT 7:00 PM FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, THAT ALLOWS US TO MOVE TO THE LAST CASE, ALPHA DASH 26 DASH ONE. WE HAVE A PROPOSED AMENDMENT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO REAL QUICK, ANYBODY NEEDS TO TAKE A BREAK OR NOT? WE CAN. I GOT A TWO HOUR DRIVE AHEAD OF ME, BUT, UH, NO, I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD PLEASE. ALRIGHT. UH, I'M GONNA BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT, UH, AMENDMENT 21, UH, 26 DASH ONE, UH, REGARDING SOLAR VOLTAIC PROJECTS. THAT IS THE NEW NAME, UH, THAT THE STATE OF VIRGINIA HAS, UH, CLASSIFIED, UH, YOUR TYPICAL SOLAR PROJECT TO BE. UM, THAT HOUSE BILL THAT WAS PASSED SEVEN 11, UH, HAS CHANGED HOW LOCALITIES CAN REGULATE, UH, SOLAR FACILITIES. AND WE HAVE ATTACHED A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER. UH, I WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH IT. UH, WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO 22.1 DEFINITIONS TO ADD THE DEFINITION OF SOLAR PHOTO PHOTOVOLTAIC PROJECT, UM, AS DEFINED BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A AMENDMENT TO SECTION 22, PURPOSE AND DESIGN OF THE CHAPTER TO BETTER ALIGN WITH THE CODE OF VIRGINIA IN 22.6. UH, DISTRICTS ESTABLISHED AND ENUMERATED, WE ARE STRIKING THE UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT SED FROM THAT LIST, UM, WE HAVE ADDED THE USE SOLAR PHOTOVOLTAIC PROJECT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ARTICLE FOUR DISTRICT REGULATIONS DIS DIVISION TWO AGRICULTURAL LIMITED DISTRICT A ONE AGRICULTURAL GENERAL DISTRICT, A TWO BUSINESS LIMITED B ONE BUSINESS GENERAL DISTRICT B TWO INDUSTRIAL LIMITED, M1 INDUSTRIAL GENERAL [02:20:01] M TWO PLAN, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, PMD, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, I THINK, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE ACRONYM IS FOR THAT, BUT IN ALL THOSE DISTRICTS, UH, SOLAR VOLTAIC PROJECT HAS BEEN ADDED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UH, WE ARE DELETING ARTICLE SIX, DISTRICT REGULATIONS DIVISION 18 UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT, SED SECTIONS 2222 DASH 2 34 0.50 TO 22, 234 0.73. UH, THAT ENTIRE SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, IS BEING RECOMMENDED TO BE REPEALED. AND WE HAVE ALSO ADDED A SUPPLEMENTARY SECTION, WHICH WOULD BE NEW 22 DASH 2 45 0.3 TITLED PHO PHOTOVOLTAIC PROJECT. UM, THIS LISTS THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, UH, THAT IS SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. UM, THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL HAVE IS A, UH, GRAMMATICAL ERROR, UH, IN THE DESCRIPTION PARAGRAPH OF SECTION 22 DASH 2 45 0.3. IN THE SECOND TO LAST SENTENCE, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN N THAT'S IN IN BETWEEN B AND COMPLIANCE. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE. THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO, TO OUR PROCESS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS WHAT THE STATE IS REQUIRING US TO DO MOVING FORWARD. SO BASICALLY THIS CHANGE IS JUST TO GET US INTO STATE COMPLIANCE. YES, THIS, THIS ENTIRE ORDINANCE IN ITS ENTIRETY, UH, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA IN WHAT IS REQUIRED. SO, UM, I SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME GETTING EDUCATED ON THIS OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS. I UNDERSTAND SOMEBODY YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL. UM, I I REALLY DON'T SEE A LOT OF, UH, DEBATE OVER THIS, SO, UM, BUT I, I DO HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LATER. BUT, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THIS CASE, UM, BEFORE WE HAVE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANY ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS FOR YOU SIR. NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. SO THANK YOU. YEP. UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP TO A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, I DO SEE A COUPLE FOLKS OUT THERE. Y'ALL BEEN REALLY GRACIOUS HANGING ON FOR A COUPLE HOURS. UM, IS THERE ANYBODY EITHER ONE OF, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. EITHER ONE OF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, ANY, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE, UM, SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION. YOU READY? WHERE IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE 15.22285 AND 15.2 2 2 8 6 87. THE DENWITTY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS OF THE OPINION THAT THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE OF GOOD ZONING PRACTICE WARRANT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WITH EDITS PROVIDED. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE DEWEY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HEREBY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS A DASH 26 DASH ONE AS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS. I OBJECT AGAIN, MR. TAYLOR? YES. MR. SIMMONS? YES. MR. TUS? AYE. MR. LANGLEY AYE. AND MR. HAYES? YES. FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT. VOTING ON. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, THAT CONCLUDES OUR CASES FOR THE NIGHT. UM, DOES STAFF HAVE ANY OR ANY OLD BUSINESS FOR US? UH, NO OLD BUSINESS. MR. CHAIR? ANY, ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS? ALRIGHT, MR. BASSETT, HOW ABOUT NEW BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. SAME WITH Y'ALL. UH, [10. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS ] COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS? IS THIS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA ADDRESS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT? I WAS, BUT I GUESS THE, THE PARLIAMENTARIAN, UH, I'M LOOKING AT OVER THERE IS NO MAKING ME REMEMBER THAT. I SHOULD WE LAST, BUT I CAN GO FIRST EITHER E EITHER WAY. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER. I'LL SAY SOMETHING OR YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING. WELL, I'LL SAY THIS. I FEEL LIKE, UM, IN FOLLOWING SOME OF THIS AND, UH, I, I WAS HERE FOR ANOTHER MEETING AND GOT A [02:25:01] REALLY GREAT EDUCATION ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, UH, UH, CODE CHANGES. I WAS AWARE OF SOME, BUT NOT ALL. SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CODE CHANGES AND THE ONES RELATED TO THIS CERTAINLY AFFECT, UH, THE, THE WORK THAT MANY OF US DID A FEW YEARS AGO WITH OUR LAST, UH, COMP PLAN UPDATE. AND IN THAT SPIRIT, UM, AND KNOWING WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS HERE THAT WERE NOT BLESSED WITH ALL OF THIS, UH, UM, DISCUSSION WE HAD HERE TONIGHT. I HAD ASKED, UH, BOTH MR. BASSETT AND MR. SAHA ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A, UH, WORK SESSION, UM, ON, IN JULY AT 6:00 PM AHEAD OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AT SEVEN, WHICH I, I'M GUESSING WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING OF SOME SORT, BUT HAVING IT AT SIX O'CLOCK, ASSUMING YOU HAVE NO OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH SEVEN IF YOU HAVE WHATEVER Y'ALL WANNA DO, I GUESS. BUT I WAS GONNA PROPOSE TO Y'ALL THAT WE HAVE A WORK SESSION HERE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, UM, SOME OF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH. UM, AND THAT WE ALSO TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF YOU REMEMBER, ONE OF THE KEY STATEMENTS IN OUR PLAN WAS TO MAINTAIN A RURAL CHARACTER OF OUR, UH, OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND THERE'S THIS SECTION IN THERE THAT RELATES TO CONFORMITY. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING THAT CORRECTLY, RIGHT? SO MR. CHAIRMAN, IN THE ACTION YOU JUST RECOMMENDED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ENERGY DISTRICT, THE, IN THERE, THERE HAD NOT BEEN A NEED IN THAT FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUBSTANTIALLY IN CONFORMANT CONFORMITY, UM, DETERMINATION. THANK YOU. PRIOR TO THAT, A UTILITY SCALE SOLAR WOULD'VE HAD TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GET A SUBSTANTIALLY IN ACCORD DETERMINATION THAT IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, THE COMP PLAN. WITH, IF THE BOARD DOES GO THROUGH WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND REPEALS DIVISION, I BELIEVE IT'S 18, THEN YOU WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE WORLD IN WHICH YOU WOULD DO A SUBSTANTIALLY IN ACCORD DETERMINATION AS WELL AS A CUP FOR A SOLAR APPLICATION. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, GIVEN THAT WE'RE NOW IN A WORLD WHERE YOU'RE EVALUATING THE SUBSTANTIALLY IN ACCORD, UH, CONTEXT AGAIN, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT THE THE COMP PLAN AND, AND MAKE SURE, UM, THAT IT, IT, IT SAYS WHAT YOU WANT IT TO SAY. YES. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT VERY ELOQUENTLY. UM, BUT YES, I THINK, I THINK TO WHAT MR. SAAL JUST SPOKE OF, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE, UM, IN OUR THOUGHTS AROUND WHAT WE HAD ADOPTED IN OUR COMP PLAN, THAT WE REVISIT THAT TOPIC AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME POTENTIALLY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD IN THAT REGARD. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I PROPOSE OUT OF THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT OR NOT. I MEAN, I, THE ONLY THING I IS AN HOUR LONG ENOUGH . I HATE TO SAY THAT. . I MEAN IT'S ALL I'M WELL DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE LOOK PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR JULY? YEAH, WE, WE WILL HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR JULY. TWO, TWO REZONING CASES, ONE IN WEST PETERSBURG AND ONE ON A PROPERTY UP JUST PAST NORTH OF, UH, EAST SIDE ENHANCEMENT CENTER, UM, WHERE SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE REQUESTING, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING ON A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER TEXT AMENDMENT COMING TO YOU ALL ABOUT MANUFACTURED HOMES BEING ALLOWED IN ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AS WELL, UM, THAT YOU'LL BE HEARING IN JULY. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT PARTICULAR ONE, THE, THE CODE LANGUAGE THERE HAS A, UH, HAS A LATER IMPLEMENTATION DATE, RIGHT? NO, NO, NOT FOR THAT ONE. OH, OKAY. NO. SO WE AS STAFF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO DOUBLE ADVERTISE THAT OKAY. FOR JULY SO WE CAN GET IT IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, I GUESS MY POINT THOUGH WAS WITH THE LATER IMPLEMENTATION, THERE ARE MORE THINGS COMING IS WHAT I'M, THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER ONES THAT ARE COMING AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO MORE TEXT AMENDMENTS IN ADDITION TO THE ONE THAT MR. BASSETT MENTIONED THAT WILL BE READY TO ROLL AND COULD POTENTIALLY COME TO THE PC MEETING. THOSE ARE BOTH, UH, IN, IN REACTION TO GENERAL ASSEMBLY ACTION FROM THE, THIS, THIS PAST SESSION. WELL, WE MIGHT BE NEEDING MORE THAN ONE JUST WORKSHOP. WE MIGHT NEED A COUPLE. WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID SOMETHING AT THAT UH, UH, BOARD MEETING I WAS AT THE OTHER DAY THAT YOU FOLLOW THIS KIND OF STUFF MUCH MORE GENERALLY THAN I DO. BUT YOU MADE A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT ANY ONE THING WOULD BE THE KIND OF A MIRACULOUS TO SEE IN ONE YEAR. AND YOU HAVE, HOW MANY DID YOU COUNT? EIGHT OR NINE? SOMEWHERE THERE, THERE WERE THERE, THERE WERE UH, PROBABLY MORE THAN 10 THAT ANY ONE OF THEM WOULD'VE BEEN THE BIGGEST [02:30:01] THING TO COME OUT OF PRETTY MUCH ANY OTHER GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION I'VE EVER WATCHED. IT WAS A VERY IMPACTFUL SESSION, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATED TO ZONING. THERE WERE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF, OF VERY IMPACTFUL ZONING, UM, BILLS THAT, THAT CAME ALONG. SO, SO LIKE IT OR NOT, WE'RE AT A POINT IN TIME IN HISTORY THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO THINK ON AND BE ABLE TO HELP THE COUNTY. UH, UM, SO IN THAT SPIRIT, DO YOU THINK, DO YOU THINK WE NEED MORE THAN AN HOUR FOR THIS, UH, ONE NEXT MONTH? MY PERSONAL SUGGESTION WOULD BE, UH, COME AT FIVE AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH STAFF, WE HAVE A SANDWICH AND A DRINK THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AT HOME FOR SUPPER. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. YES. AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS PRIOR TO OUR MEETING IF FIVE'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE ABLE TO MAKE THAT OR NOT. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU. OKAY. WHAT IS IT IN JULY? THE, WHAT IS THAT DATE? IN JULY? JULY THE EIGHTH. JULY 8TH. I, I DO WANT TO ADD, WE HAVE THE, UH, MANUFACTURED HOME ORDINANCE DRAFTED ALREADY. THE ONLY THING IN THERE THAT IS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO IS WE DRAFTED ANOTHER SUPPLEMENTAL ORDINANCE THAT WOULD GO IN THAT SECTION. IT REVOLVING AROUND, UH, HOME ORIENTATION. AND I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BASICALLY, UM, ALL HOMES 'CAUSE WE COULD NOT SINGLE OUT MANUFACTURED HOMES, BUT ALL HOMES MUST FACE, UH, THE STREET ON WHICH THEY ARE, UH, LOCATED ON UNLESS THEY ARE 105 FEET AWAY FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD. THE REASON WE DID THE 105 FEET OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD IS THAT IS YOUR A TWO AND THE RR SETBACK, WHICH IS 90, 95% OF THE COUNTY. UM, SO ALL HOMES IN YOUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS LOWER THAN THAT. THE FRONT DOOR WOULD HAVE TO FACE THE STREET, BUT IT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE AGRICULTURAL AREAS TO SHIFT THEIR HOME IF THEY WOULD LIKE. IT WOULD JUST BE YOUR, YOUR TYPICAL R ONE SUBDIVISION, THE FRONT OF THE HOME WOULD HAVE TO FACE THE STREET. UM, AND THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE TO, UH, PREVENT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE SHOTGUNNING OF MANUFACTURED HOMES. SO, SO I HAVE A QUESTION THERE. SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE EVEN WITH THE GRANDFATHERED PARCELS, WE HAVE AN A TWO THAT ARE SMALLER THAN THREE ACRES, EVEN TODAY THEY HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 105. CORRECT. OKAY. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. THAT'S A NICE LITTLE TIDBIT. AND THEN, UH, I'M GONNA PLAY STUPID ON YOU OF THIS, 'CAUSE THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I'VE NOTICED OVER THE YEARS WHERE HOMES HAVE BEEN BUILT AND THE INTENT WAS TO BE PERFECTLY, UH, PERPENDICULAR OR, AND PARALLEL RATHER, I SHOULD SAY PARALLEL TO THE ROAD, BUT THE ROAD SHIFTS OVER TIME. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE, IS IT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE EXACTLY THAT OR ARE YOU GIVING IT ANY LEE LIKE A FEW DEGREES OR IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY IT WOULD PROBABLY BE UP TO THE INTERPRETATION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UH, WHEN THEY APPROVE IT. OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL KNOW THAT POSITION DOES CHANGE. UM, SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHEN I SEE THE HOUSE PLANS AND I FIND THE ORIENTATION OF THE HOME ON THE LOT, IF IT, IF THE FRONT DOOR IS FACING THE STREET, I WOULD APPROVE IT. UM, EVEN IF IT'S OFF CAT CORNERED A LITTLE BIT. SURE. 'CAUSE I'M, I'M PRETTY REASONABLE IN MY, IN MY DETERMINATIONS. BUT THE, THE INTENT OF IT IS THAT ON OUR, PARTICULARLY OUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS, OUR R ONES OUR ARGUES SINCE THOSE ARE THE TYPICALLY THE MOST COMMON THAT WE HAVE, THAT IF THEY, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A, IF THEY WANT TO TURN THEIR HOUSE A CERTAIN WAY, AS LONG AS THEY'RE 105 FEET AWAY FROM THE ROAD, THEY CAN, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD IN ORDER TO SEE THAT YOU KIND OF HAVE TO TURN YOUR HEAD. WHEREAS YOUR TYPICAL R ONE ARE U SETBACK, YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE IN YOUR FIELD OF VIEW DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD. SO IT'S MORE EVIDENT, UM, THAT THE HOUSE IS, IS SHOTGUNNED IN THAT KIND OF WAY, WHICH WE FEEL COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THE 105 FEET, LIKE I SAID, PROTECTS THE A TWO AND THE, THE RR AREAS FROM, FROM HAVING TO FOLLOW THAT SINCE THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE 105 ANYWAY. UM, THEY CAN MANEUVER THEIR HOME HOWEVER THEY LIKE IT. IT'S THOSE AREAS WHERE THE HOME IS CLOSER TO THE ROAD REQUIRING THEM TO FACE THE ROAD AND CORNER LOTS TO WHICHEVER SIDE THAT THEY'RE FACING. ONE THE FRONT OF THE HOME HAS TO FACE THE STREET. NOW IF THEY'RE, IF THEY HAVE A BIG ENOUGH R ONE LOT IN THERE, 105 FEET AWAY, THEY CAN TURN HOWEVER THEY LIKE. BUT THE INTENT OF IT IS TO AVOID SOMEBODY COMING INTO OUR RESIDENTIAL [02:35:01] NEIGHBORHOODS AND JUST STACKING 'EM UP SIDE BY SIDE ON SMALL LOTS. UM, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU JUST SAID THOUGH, IF THEY'RE A CORNER LOT, LET'S SAY ONE OF THOSE IN ONE OF THE AREAS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT MM-HMM . THEY COULD DO IT BECAUSE THEY'D BE FACING A STREET ON A NARROW LOT. YES. BUT THE FRONT OF THE HOME WOULD BE FACING THE STREET, ONE OF THE STREET BE FACING THE STREET STREET BECAUSE ALL TECHNICALLY, ALL SIDE, ALL, ALL CORNER LOTS TECHNICALLY HAVE A, YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A CERTAIN WAY, THEY ARE SHOTGUN, BUT THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF CORNER LOTS. RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT ISN'T REQUIRED. BUT WE ADDED THAT AS AN OPTION FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER TO POTENTIALLY MAKE THE, MAKE THE CHANGE NOT AS, BE AS IMPACTFUL AS IT COULD POSSIBLY BE. SO, SO ONLY THING I HAVE A, A QUESTION ABOUT WITH FIVE O'CLOCK WOULD BE, DIDN'T WE AGREE TO HAVE OUR TRANSPORTATION MEETING THE EIGHTH AT, AT THREE 30? SO DOES THAT, UM, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THINGS? I DON'T, I DON'T WELL FOR YOU AND I, IT WOULD IMPACT WE'D HAVE TO LEAVE, YOU KNOW. WELL I FEEL LIKE WE CAN BE DONE BY FOUR 30. I THINK SO SINCE WE'RE COMING BACK FOR A SANDWICH AS WE WERE. RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I THOUGHT ABOUT. 'CAUSE YEAH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE, I DON'T, THOSE CASES ARE PROBABLY LESS INTENSE THAN THE TWO THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT AS WELL. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S A CONSENSUS TO HAVE THAT RECOMMENDATION AS A WORKSHOP NEXT MONTH. ALRIGHT, SO HOW ABOUT OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? GREAT. TIME TO BE ALIVE, HUH? MM-HMM . YOU GOT ANYTHING? [11. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS] I DON'T HAVE ANY PLANNING DIRECTOR COMMENTS. MR. CHAIR. I'M SORRY. I WAS SKIPPING RIGHT OVER THAT WE ADDRESSED THEM IN, IN YOUR ALL'S COMMENTS. YEP. ALRIGHT. SO NOTHING ELSE. SO I GUESS THAT LEAVES A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. THERE YOU GO. WHAT A BARGAIN. DID WE, DID Y'ALL MISS A CASE OF SOMETHING WE ADJOURNED? CAME. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.