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ALL RIGHT,[1. CALL TO ORDER]
GOOD EVENING FOLKS.I'D LIKE TO CALL OUR, UH, REGULAR MEETING OF OCTOBER 2026 TO ORDER.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE STAND UP AND FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY AND LET'S RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND HAVE A PRAYER MOMENT OF SILENCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS APPROVAL OF OUR AGENDA.ANYONE HAVE ANY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OR COMMENTS, CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
FIVE MEMBER PRESENT, VOTING AYE.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ALL RIGHT.SO FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WE HAVE, UH, THREE SEPARATE MEETING APPROVAL, MINUTE APPROVAL.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS BACK FROM JULY 8TH, OUR WORKSHOP MEETING.
ANY COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS, MOTION TO APPROVE? UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES OR ANYTHING TO BE MADE, IF THAT'S OKAY.
AS LONG, AS LONG AS NO ONE HAS ANY CHANGES IN ANY, ANY ONE OF THE THREE, THAT'S FINE.
[6. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
RIGHT ALONG.ITEM NUMBER SIX IS OUR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UM, WE DO HAVE TWO CASES TONIGHT, BUT OUR CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE INTENDED FOR ANY, UM, COMMENTS THAT ANYONE MAY HAVE THAT'S NOT RELATED TO EITHER OF THE CASES WE HAVE TONIGHT.
SO MR. GIRLEY, DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR THAT? MS. LANDS.
I WROTE DOWN WHAT I HAD TO SAY TO YOU SO YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG BECAUSE I HAVE TO TALK REALLY FAST.
AND BEHIND IT IS A RESEARCH ARTICLE THAT TALKS ABOUT THINGS THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD RESTRICT NOISE ORDINANCE IN THEIR LOCALITIES BY A NURSE PROFESSIONAL IN THE UNIVERSITY.
MY AME IS CHANTEL LANDS AND I LIVE AT 10952 COLEMANS LAKE ROAD IN FORD.
CHAPTER SEVEN OF THE DINWIDDIE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES PUBLIC HEALTH AND THE LAND USE.
TO QUOTE PAGE 141, THE PLAN, DINWIDDIE COUNTY, OF THE PLAN, DINWITTY COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING LAND USE DECISIONS THAT FACILITATE EFFICIENT USE OF THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT WHILE ENHANCING, ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL REGI - RESIDENTS.
BASED ON THE HEALTH RISKS, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE DATA CENTER NOISE POLLUTION AND ITS IMPACT ON HUMAN HEALTH.
WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT DATA CENTERS CREATE INVASIVE NOISE.
IRONICALLY, A DATA CENTER CAN HAVE AN UNREMARKABLE NOISE READING AND BE WITHIN THE DECIBEL LIMIT WHILE STILL PRODUCING ONE LOUD, NARROW BAND HUM, AND THIS IS CALLED INFASOUND.
INFASOUND IS A LOW FREQUENCY NOISE MEASURED IN HERTZ AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN AN AUDIBLE SOUND WHICH IS MEASURED IN DECIBELS.
HERTZ REFER TO THE NUMBER OF VIBRATIONS THE SOUND WAVE CREATES.
THESE WAVES ARE PRODUCED NATURALLY BY THINGS LIKE EARTHQUAKES, VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS, STORMS, ET CETERA, AND MADE MA- MAN-MADE SOUNDS LIKE INDUSTRIAL MACHINERY, WIND TURBINES, AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
INFASOUND IS DIFFERENT THAN AUDIBLE SOUND AND IT DOES NOT SOFTEN WITH DISTANCE.
AUDIBLE SOUND LOSES ITS ENERGY AND TO THE ATMOSPHERE AND OBSTACLES.
IT ATTENUATES AS IT TRAVELS FROM THE SOURCE.
CONSEQUENTLY, LOW FREQUENCY SOUND WAVES PROPAGATE AND THEY'RE CONCENTRATED ABOUT 3,000 FEET AND DATA CENTER NOISE HAS BEEN FOUND AS FAR AWAY AS TWO AND A HALF MILES.
LOW FREQUENCY BENDS AROUND CORNERS.
IT PASSES STRAIGHT THROUGH SOLID OBJECTS LIKE BRICK WALLS OR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
TREE LINES EVEN FAIL TO BLOCK LOW FREQUENCY TONES.
THE WAVES ARE PRESENT, BUT THE EXPERIENCE IS ABSENT BECAUSE THE WAVES DO NOT VIBRATE FAST ENOUGH TO RESONATE IN OUR EARDRUMS. AND EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T HEAR INFASOUND, IT STILL NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE HUMAN'S AUTONOMIC NERVOUS SYSTEM.
THIS MEANS INFASOUND IMPACTS HEART RATE, BLOOD PRESSURE, STRESS HORMONES, SLEEP ARCHITECTURAL, AND IT DEPLETES HUMAN COPING RESOURCES
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WITHOUT ANY CONSCIOUS AWARENESS.INFASOUND CAN STIMULATE THE INNER EARS TRIGGERING DIZZINESS, IMBALANCE AND A C6 SENSATION.
THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF INFASOUND BETWEEN 17 AND 19 HERTZ CAN INDUCE UNEXPLAINED FEELINGS OF ANXIETY, SORROW, NERVOUSNESS OR FEAR.
IN ANIMALS, PROLONGED INTENSE EXPOSURE TO INFASOUND HAS SHOWN TO INDUCE NEUROINFLAMMATORY RESPONSES AND MEMORY IMPAIRMENT.
WE DON'T NEED TO ONLY WORRY ABOUT WHAT WE CAN HEAR.
WE MUST ALSO WORRY ABOUT INFASOUND WHICH WE CANNOT HEAR.
FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY REMIND THE COMMISSION, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REPEATEDLY BOASTS.
OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE STRATEGIC AND EFFICIENT LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENTAL DECISIONS THAT PRESERVE OUR RURAL LANDSCAPE.
PAGE 139 SPECIFICALLY STATES FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, IN THIS CASE, THINGS LIKE HAVEN OAK TECHNOLOGY PARK SHOULD BE CAREFULLY PLANNED WITH LIMITED ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES.
I PETITION YOU TO DECLINE ANY APPLICATION THAT DESTROYS OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR HEALTH OR OUR RURAL CHARACTER.
I LIVE AT 20214 ANNE ROAD IN DAVENY ESTATES.
I DON'T DO THIS VERY WELL, BUT HERE IT GOES.
I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS MONSTER TRYING TO COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN YOU LOOK OVER THIS ROOM, DO YOU SEE PEOPLE, YOUR FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, FAMILY, CHILDREN, OR JUST NUMBERS THAT ARE INCONVENIENT? WE NEED YOU TO REPRESENT US AGAINST THIS MONSTER THAT IS DRIVEN ONLY BY GREED.
THESE DATA CENTERS DO NOT BELONG IN OUR LITTLE PIECE OF RURAL HEAVEN, PUT THEM IN A DIS - INDUSTRIAL PARK AND NOT WHERE THEY RUIN PEOPLE'S LIVES AND OUR WATER AND OUR PEACE AND ALL THAT GOES WITH IT.
I KNOW THEY PROMISED THE MOON AND THE STARS, BUT THEY HAVE ONE THING IN MY, IN MIND, TO RUN ROUGH SHOT OVER OUR CITIZENS.
WE'RE BEGGING YOU TO LISTEN, WALK THE LAND AND DO WHAT YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEART IS RIGHT.
YOUR PEOPLE DO NOT WANT A DATA CENTER HERE AND I DON'T WANT IT TO COME BACK.
I'M CANDACE BROWN AND I'M FROM 21541 RUNAROUND LANE, RIGHT WHERE IT'S GONNA BE THE EMERGENCY LANE TO GET OUT.
I'D LIKE TO SHARE THIS POEM WITH YOU THAT I WROTE YEARS BACK AND IT'S CALLED I AM FROM.
I AM FROM DOGWOOD AND PINE TREES EVERYWHERE.
I AM FROM BACK ROADS SURROUNDED BY CORN AND TOBACCO FIELDS.
I AM FROM STAYING OUT LATE WITH FRIENDS AT BONFIRES, MAKING S'MORES, LAUGHING AND TELLING STORIES.
I AM FROM DENWOODY DIXIE SOFTBALL, STRENGTH, TEAMWORK, COMPETITIVENESS, IMPROVEMENT, AND I AM FROM THE SMELL OF COFFEE IN THE MORNING WHILE WATCHING THE DEER AND TURKEY RUN THROUGH THE YARD.
I AM FROM RIDING TRAILS ALL DAY LONG ON DIRT BIKES, FOUR-WHEELERS, TRACTORS, TO GOING TO GET THE EGGS OUT OF THE COOP AND CLEANING THE BUNNIES CAGE.
I AM FROM THE COLD DARK NIGHTS THAT YOU SIT AROUND THE FIRE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TELLING STORIES.
I AM FROM HERE IN THE DRAG STRIP AND THE FIREWORKS AS I LAY DOWN TO SLEEP.
I AM FROM ALL THESE MOMENTS AS THEY WASH OVER ME LIKE A WAVE OF PRETTY BLUE OCEAN, PURE HAPPINESS.
SO I'D LIKE Y'ALL TO TAKE THAT AND KEEP MY CHILDHOOD HOME AGRICULTURAL AND JUST LIKE IF Y'ALL LIVED HERE EVER SINCE Y'ALL WAS A KID, YOU LIKE THE COUNTRY.
CHRISTIE POWERS, 21531 RUNAROUND LANE, POSING THE DATA CENTER.
A FEW QUICK THINGS BEFORE I GET INTO SOME OF THE DECEITFUL COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE GENEROUS MEETING THAT WAS A HOT MESS THAT, UH, THE TRACT HAD.
DATA CENTERS SHOULDN'T GO NEXT TO PEOPLE'S HOMES.
THAT IS THE WRONG PLACE FOR THEM.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE ISSUES THAT THEY'VE BEEN HAVING BETWEEN THE BUILDING THE ONE IN CHESTERFIELD AND THE SOIL RUNOFF CONTAMINATION AND, AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, ARE YOU REALLY WILLING TO RISK THE LIVES OF THE CONSTITUENTS IN DENWOODY COUNTY? YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THAT.
A SPILL RIGHT NEXT TO PEOPLE'S HOMES CAN BE CATASTROPHIC AND BEFORE IT CAN BE CLEANED UP, IT'S ALREADY INFILTRATED YOUR WELLS.
IT'S HURTING OUR ANIMALS AND IT'S HURTING US.
SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
SOME THINGS I WANNA BRING UP, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALSO NOT A VERY GOOD BUSINESS PARTNER.
TRACT HAS NO TRACK RECORD FOR THESE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS.
IF YOU LOOK, WHAT HYPERSCALED DATA CENTERS HAVE THEY ACTUALLY SUCCESSFULLY DEALT WITH? ZERO.
THERE'S ONE STARTING TO BE BUILT THAT THEIR SISTER COMPANY IS DOING AND HELPING THAT THEY BUILT, THEY CREATED TWO YEARS AGO SO THAT WAY THEY COULD BUILD THESE THINGS AND THEY LIED
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AND SAID THAT THEY DO NOT RUN DATA CENTERS AND THAT SISTER COMPANY DOES OFFER TO RUN DATA CENTERS.THEY SAID THAT THEY SELECTED OR CHOSE TIER FOUR GENERATORS BECAUSE THEY WERE BETTER ENVIRONMENTALLY AND LESS LOUD.
THAT IS NOT WHY THEY CHOSE THEM.
IT IS A REQUIREMENT FEDERALLY FOR THEM TO USE A TIER FOUR GENERATOR OR EQUIVALENT.
THE SOUND STUDY THAT THEY SHOWED AND THAT IS IN THEIR PRESENTATION IS NOT THE SOUND STUDY THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO DENWITTY COUNTY.
THEY ALSO SAID THAT THAT SOUND STUDY WAS DONE AT 100% CAPACITY.
SOUND STUDIES ARE NOT DONE AT 100% CAPACITY.
THEY ARE DONE AT 70 AND 75% CAPACITY.
THE ONE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO DENWITTY IS AT 70% CAPACITY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHAT IT'S GONNA BE AT 100%.
AND BY THE WAY, NOBODY WANTS TO LISTEN TO A DRIP COFFEE MAKER ALL DAY LONG AND NIGHT EITHER.
ALONG WITH THE SOUND STUDY IS THEY JUST MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 52 DBA ALL THE TIME.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR PRE - THEIR PROPOSAL, IT IS ACTUALLY STIPULATES DAYTIME.
WHAT IS DAYTIME? DO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH LOUDER NOISES AT NIGHT? THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SOUND STUDY EITHER THAT CON - TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE FALL AND THE WINTER WHEN THERE'S LESS FOLIAGE.
SO ARE THEY ACCOMMODATING FOR THAT? IS THAT STUDY ACCOMMODATING FOR THAT? THE REMOVAL OF THE GROUNDWATER USE STIPULATION REALLY STILL BOTHERS ME BECAUSE THEY MADE THE COMMENT THAT THEY THOUGH THE NEW WORDING WAS SUFFICIENT, THE ORIGINAL WORDING WAS SUFFICIENT.
THE ONLY REASON TO CHANGE THAT IS TO TRY AND CREATE A LOOPHOLE IF THEY NEED ADDITIONAL WATER AND WANTED TO USE WELLS WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A CHANGE IN THE, IN THE PERMIT.
MY NAME'S CHUCK LEWIS, 18707 STONEWALL DRIVE.
I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS.
UM, THIS LADY BROUGHT UP A, A GREAT POINT THAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP, UM, THE SOUND STUDY THAT THEY DID.
UM, THESE GENERATORS ARE G - THEY'RE GOING TO USE, THERE'S GONNA BE 340 GENERATORS.
UM, 300 WILL BE USED IN A CAPACITY OF AN OUTAGE.
THESE GENERATORS ARE NOT YOUR TYPICAL GENERATORS.
THESE GENERATORS PRODUCE BETWEEN 3,000 AND 4,500 HORSEPOWER PER GENERATOR.
UM, THEY CONSUME APPROXIMATELY 60 TO 70,000 GALLONS PER HOUR.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT ABOUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WEREN'T ANSWERED AT THIS TRACK, UH, MEETING THAT THEY HAD.
NOBODY COULD TELL ME HOW MANY HORSEPOWER THERE WERE GONNA BE, HOW MANY GALLONS OF FUEL WERE GONNA BE ON SITE.
I THINK THAT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL THING WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, IN CASE THERE IS A LEAK.
UH, FROM THE DATA I'M SHOWING, YOU'RE UP TO TWO MILLION GALLONS OF DIESEL FUEL, UM, NOT INCLUDING THE DEATH FOR THESE TIER FOUR SYSTEMS THAT, THAT THE TIER FOUR SYSTEMS TAKE.
UM, THESE TIER FOUR SYSTEMS ARE GREAT THAT THEY DO MITIGATE SOME NITROGEN OXIDE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO A PAIN IN THE BUTT.
YOU HAVE BREAKDOWNS, YOU HAVE SENSORS THAT GO BAD, AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT STOPPING ANY NITROGEN OXIDE.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE COULDN'T GET ANY ANSWERS.
NOBODY HAD ANY ANSWERS TO WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, UH, THESE GENERATORS, UH, AND THE NOISE.
UM, THEY'RE SAYING 52 DECIBELS, A COFFEE MAKER OR REFRIGERATOR.
A TRUCK GOING DOWN THE ROAD IS 400 TO 500 HORSEPOWER.
YOU PUT 300 HORSE, 300 OF THESE RAMPED UP, FULL IDLE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THE WALLS TO THE HEAVEN TO STOP THAT NOISE.
I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I'M GONNA GIVE IT A SHOT, MS. BECKY.
NOBODY ELSE CAN SAY IT EITHER.
UM, SO I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON MY OWN BEHALF, BUT ALSO MY NEIGHBOR, ASHLEY MARKS, IS IN PENNSYLVANIA RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HER HUSBAND HAS STAGE FOUR CANCER, AND SO SHE GAVE ME, UM, SOMETHING TO READ, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU ALL.
UM, SO I'M SPEAKING TODAY ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBOR, ASHLEY MARKS, WHO RECENTLY PURCHASED A HOME IN DABNEY ESTATES WITH HER HUSBAND AND FOUR YOUNG CHILDREN.
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ASHLEY IS WITH HER HUSBAND WHO IS RECEIVING CANCER TREATMENT IN PHILADELPHIA, AND THIS IS FROM HER."MY HUSBAND AND I RECENTLY PURCHASED A HOME IN DABNEY ESTATES.
OUR HOME SITS LESS THAN A MILE FROM THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER SITE.
WE MOVED TO C - WE MOVED FROM COLONIAL HEIGHTS SO OUR CHILDREN COULD EXPERIENCE CLEANER AIR, MORE LAND, OPPORTUNITY FOR LIVESTOCK AND GARDENS, AND THE CHANCE TO ACTUALLY SEE THE STARS FROM OUR BACKYARD.
WE HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH DINWIDDIE COUNTY.
WE LOVE OUR HOME, OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR LAND, AND OUR CHILDREN LOVE THE FREEDOM THEY HAVE HERE.
I FEEL DEEPLY CONCERNED THAT A HUGE PORTION OF AGRICULTURAL LAND COULD BE LOST TO DEVELOPMENT.
THIS LOSS WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL NOT ONLY TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, BUT FOR MILES SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY.
WE DON'T WANT THE DATA CENTER AT THIS LOCATION OR ANYWHERE IN OUR PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL COUNTY.
WE DO NOT WANT INDUSTRIAL ZONES OF ANY KIND ALLOWED TO DESTROY THE INTEGRITY OF OUR COUNTY.
I HAVE MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS DATA CENTER.
EVEN IF A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM IS IMPLEMENTED, WHAT IMPACTS WILL THIS HAVE ON OUR GROUNDWATER THAT MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS RELY ON? I'M WORRIED ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS THAT MANY DATA CENTERS IN THE STATE ALREADY HAVE COMMITTED AS CLOSE AS CHESTERFIELD COUNTY AND THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT OUR ELECTRICAL GRID.
I WORRY THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOMINION WOULD NEED TO BUILD IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THIS.
I WORRY THAT THE POWER GRID WILL BE UNABLE TO SUPPORT A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE, AND THAT WE WILL SUFFER AIR POLLUTION FROM THE USE OF DIESEL GENERATORS RUNNING WITHOUT A LOCAL AUTHORITY BEING ABLE TO STOP IT, BECAUSE ONCE IT STARTS, IN MY OPINION, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, AND SHE AGREES WITH THAT.
UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION FROM GENERAL CON- CONSTRUCTION AND GENERAL OPERATION.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION, WORRIED ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES, ABOUT WHAT EFFECT THIS WILL HAVE ON MANY HISTORICAL SITES NEAR THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER.
I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED WITH THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON OUR COUNTY'S ECOSYSTEMS. THIS PROPOSED PROJECT WILL HAVE MONUMENTAL EFFECTS ON THE AMAZING WILDLIFE WE HAVE THAT MAKES OUR COUNTY SO WONDERFUL.
THE EFFECT WILL BE FELT FOR MILES SURROUNDING THIS FACILITY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN ALLOW TO HAPPEN.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL LONG-TERM HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS, ESPECIALLY, UH, THIS IS ESPECIALLY PERSONABLE FOR OUR FAMILY BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS ALREADY FIGHTING STAGE FOUR CANCER.
AS HIS WIFE AND THE MOTHER OF OUR FOUR CHILDREN, THE POSSIBILITY OF ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS AFFECTING OUR FAMILY'S HEALTH IS FRIGHTENING.
WE MOVED HERE HOPING TO PROVIDE OUR CHILDREN WITH A HEALTHIER AND MORE PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT.
WE DON'T WANT THE DATA CENTER.
WE WANNA KEEP THE BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE WE ARE CURRENTLY BLESSED TO HAVE.
WE WANT COWS AND FARMS, NOT INDUSTRIAL SITES.
WE WANT DINWIDDIE COUNTY TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF STRENGTH AGAINST THE GIANTS, SHOW OTHER COUNTIES IT'S POSSIBLE TO STOP THE DATA CENTERS.
PLEASE STAND WITH THE RESIDENTS OF DINWIDDIE COUNTY AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY FROM THIS PROPOSED DATA CENTER AND ANY IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE A DUTY TO PROTECT THIS LAND FOR OURSELVES AS WELL AS FUTURE GENERATIONS TO COME.
I RESIDE AT 21541 RUNAROUND LANE, RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE OF THIS PROPOSED DATA CENTER.
MY CONCERN IS TODAY IS THE WELL WATER, THE DRINKING WATER THAT WE RELY ON EVERY DAY FOR DRINKING, SANITATION, ALL OF THAT.
WELL, WITH THIS CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAY IT'S NOT GONNA USE THAT MUCH WATER, YOU STILL HAVE THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF CHEMICALS IN THESE LOOPS, THE GLYCOL, THE RUST INHIB- INHIBITORS, AND WITHOUT THE REGULATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF A RUPTURE AND CONTAMINATION OF THE GROUND, THE STREAMS, HATCHERS RUN, PICTURES LAKE, ALL OF IT.
UM, ALSO, THE OTHER THING THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS THE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION, THE PILE DRIVING, THE BLASTING, ALSO PROPOSE IMMEDIATE THREATS TO THE STRUCTURE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBOR'S WELL CASINGS AND THE AQUIFER THAT'S UP UNDERNEATH THIS MASSIVE COMPLEX, COMPASS.
AND I BROUGHT THIS UP TO TRACK DURING OUR TOWN MEETING THAT THEY NEED TO, BEFORE WE'LL PUT INTO THE CPU FOR REVIEW, A WELL BOND FUND ESCROW.
SO ALL OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND WITHIN THE TWO MILE RADIUS OF THIS FACILITY, IF THEIR WELLS COLLAPSED, THE CASINGS CRACKED, THEIR MUDDY WATER COMES IN, THAT THIS COMPANY NEEDS TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING.
DRILL A NEW WELL OR HOOK THIS UP TO
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THE COUNTY WATER AT THEIR COST, NOT OURS.NANCY SULLIVAN, 8413 SMITH GROVE LANE, NORTH DENWITTY, VIRGINIA.
AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY WHEN Y'ALL VOTE O - VOTE ON THIS MATTER, THAT GOD WEIGHS ON YOUR HEART TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY AND THE AGRICULTURAL WAY OF LIFE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FEED OURSELVES IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
I NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA SAY WHEN I COME UP TO THESE THINGS, UM, BUT TONIGHT I WAS KIND OF MOVED WHEN WE ALWAYS STAND UP AND WE SAY OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND GIVE OUR COUNTRY RESPECT AND THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE.
AND I'M ABSOLUTELY JUST FURIOUS THAT OUR COUNTY WOULD TAKE AN APPLICATION, UM, TO, TO PUT THIS ON BATTLEFIELD GROUNDS.
UM, ON THE WEBSITE LAST MONTH, THERE WAS A WHOLE TRIBUTE TO NINE ELEVEN AND THE NEARLY 3,000 CASUALTIES THAT CAME FROM THAT.
THERE WERE NEARLY 3,000 CASUALTIES FROM THE BATTLE OF WHITE OAK, UM, ON THE CORNER OF CLAIBORNE AND WHITE OAK ROAD THAT ARE LITERALLY LAND THAT OUR FOREFATHERS DIED AND BLED ON, SIMILAR TO NINE ELEVEN.
YOU DON'T SEE ONE OF THE BUSIEST CITIES IN THE WORLD, UM, NOT MEMORIALIZING THAT, YET OUT OF GREED AND MONEY, PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING ON DESTROYING THAT SACRED LAND, AND I THINK IT'S DISGUSTING.
UM, I THINK IT'S DISGUSTING THAT THIS LAND WAS PICKED, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
I KNOW THAT THAT MONEY THAT THIS COUNTY COULD DO AMAZING THINGS WITH, BUT WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING THIS AROUND PEOPLE'S HOMES, THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO OFF THEIR BACKYARD AND THEIR PORCH AND INSTEAD OF SEEING DEER, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THESE GIANT BUILDINGS, UM, WHICH I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT'S LEGAL.
WELL, ACTUALLY, IT REALLY ISN'T.
IT WOULD BE A NUISANCE CLAIM BECAUSE IT'S GONNA DEVALUE PROPERTY.
IF YOU CAN SEE IT AND HEAR IT, THAT'S A LEGAL BATTLE, UM, THAT HOW YOU'RE DIRECTLY AFFECTED.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ALL OF THE ACRES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTY, WHY WE'RE PICKING BATTLEGROUNDS, WHY WE'RE PICKING AN AREA THAT WILL LITERALLY RUIN DOZENS UPON DOZENS OF FAMILIES' HOMES AND LIVELIHOODS.
I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU RECONSIDER THIS.
UM, I'VE READ THAT APPLICATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THERE ARE JUST SO MANY THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE FROM THAT TO, UM, HOW WE ARE GOING TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S WELLS, UM, BEING SO CLOSE PROXIMITY IF THERE ARE LEAKS.
WE'RE SEEING PROJECTS SUCH LIKE IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY RIGHT NOW WHERE THEY WERE JUST FINE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FOOT OF RUNOFF FROM THE CONSTRUCTION FULL OF CHEMICALS THAT ARE GOING INTO OUR STREAMS. WE'RE SEEING CARE LAKE DRIED OUT.
UM, WE'VE GOT 12 DATA CENTERS COMING INTO LAKE CHESDON.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS GONNA LOOK LIKE ON A LONG TERM? UM, I WAS AT A MEETING LAST NIGHT IN FRONT OF SENATOR LUCAS AND LOCKE, AND IN THAT COUNTY ALONE, THEY HAVE DATA CENTERS, THEY DIDN'T EVEN...
PEOPLE IN THE ROOM DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY WERE COMING ALONG, AND I DID, AND I'M IN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY.
BUT MY POINT ON BRINGING THAT NEIGHBORING COUNTY UP IS, IS THAT THIS TIME IN NEXT YEAR OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW, HOW MANY, UH, DATA CENTERS ARE GONNA BE FEEDING OFF OF LAKE CHESDON OR OUR AQUIFER SYSTEM THAT WE ALL SHARE? UH, THESE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
I KNOW OUR GOVERNMENT IS SLOWLY CONSIDERING IT, AND I THINK DENWITTY NEEDS TO BE PROACTIVE, UM, FOR ALL THOSE THINGS AND MORE.
AND I GUESS MY TIME'S UP AND I WILL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
MS. RENT? NOBODY EVER PRONOUNCES THAT RIGHT EITHER.
I MOVED FROM NEW JERSEY TO ESCAPE INDUSTRY AND POLLUTION, ONLY TO FIND THAT IT'S NOW COMING TO THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTY THAT I NOW LOVE.
WE HAVE ALL HEARD ABOUT NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION, THE EXHAUST FROM DIESEL POWER, AND THE CHEMICALS USED IN COOLING SYSTEMS. I GOTTA BREATHE.
I'M SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CITED VIOLATIONS AT THE PROJECT PEANUT DATA CENTER IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY.
THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF MANY ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS I'VE HEARD OF AT DATA CENTERS, INCLUDING THE ONE WHERE ALL THE DIESEL FUEL LEAKED INTO THE RIVER
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IN NEW JERSEY, WHERE I'M FROM ORIGINALLY.UM, I DON'T WANT, UH, DIMITY COUNTY TO END UP LIKE THOSE MANY PLACES.
I ATTEMPTED, ATTENDED THE INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION AT VSU, AND I DON'T TRUST THEM AT ALL, AT ALL, AND I CAN BET MOST OF YOU DON'T EITHER.
THEY'RE GONNA PUT EYE DROPS IN THE WATER.
UH, THEY AREN'T EVEN THE COMPANY THAT WOULD BE THERE.
THEY JUST DEVELOPED PROPERTY, BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS THAT I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT, UM, NUMBER ONE, DO WE HAVE THE NECESSARY FIRE EQUIPMENT, TRAINING AND MANPOWER TO HANDLE A DATA CENTER OR WOULD WE NEED COSTLY NEW FIREHOUSE AND EQUIPMENT? THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE, UM, INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIREFIGHTERS STATED THAT YOU CAN'T RESPOND TO A FIRE AT A DATA CENTER LIKE A TYPICAL STRUCTURAL FIRE.
USING THE CORRECT SUPPRESSION AGENTS, AVOIDING ELECTRICALLY CHARGED EQUIPMENT AND DEALING WITH RADIO OP- OPERATION CHALLENGES AND ISSUES RELATED TO LITHIUM ION BATTERIES ARE ALL THINGS FIREFIGHTERS NEED TO CONSIDER.
AND YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE COST TO US.
DO WE NEED TO TOLERATE A LADDER TRUCK AS WELL? NUMBER TWO, RETIRED AIR FORCE COLONEL DREW MILLER ADVISES PEOPLE TO STAY FAR AWAY FROM AI VALUED ASSETS.
HE SAYS THAT BEING CLOSE COULD MAKE YOU A TARGET IF ADVANCED AI SYSTEMS ESCAPE FROM HUMAN CONTROL.
THIS IS NOT TERMINATOR SCIENCE FICTION.
FORMER ANTHROPIC RESEARCHER JACOB COXON WARNED US OF THE DANGERS OF AI BECOMING ROGUE.
ALSO, THINK HOW WE WOULD BE IN DANGER IF CONFLICT EVER CAME TO OUR SHORES.
RUSSIA AND UKRAINE ARE NOW BOMBING EACH OTHER'S DATA CENTERS TO SLOW DOWN THEIR MILITARIES.
SO I URGE YOU ALL TO RECOMMEND HELL NO TO THIS DATA CENTER IF YOU VALUE OUR HEALTH, LIVES, AND PROPERTIES.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS DATA CENTER, WE WILL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE.
I LIVE AT 25411 GRANT AVENUE NORTH DINWITTY.
I WANT TO REGISTER MY OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER AND TO WHAT LOOKS LIKE CHANGES THAT WILL ALLOW A DATA CENTER IN NORTH DINWITTY AS WELL WHERE I LIVE.
DINWIDDIE CITIZENS DO NOT NEED TO BE SADDLED WITH THE COST OF BUILDING THE NEEDED ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, THE HIGHER, UH, ENERGY COST, A TAXED WATER SUPPLY, AND AS SOMEBODY MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I'M ABOUT TO SAY
I MEAN, THIS WILL DEFINITELY PUT A BULLSEYE ON US AS AN EASY TARGET BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A QUIET COUNTY WITH A VERY CAPABLE BUT NOT HUMONGOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT AND VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
WE NEED TO DECIDE THE FUTURE OF DINWIDDIE COUNTY, NOT BIG TECH COMPANIES.
WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR RURAL HERITAGE.
I URGE YOU WHEN THE TIME COMES TO OPPOSE AND DENY ALL DATA CENTER APPLICATIONS.
MR. CHAIR, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SPEAK TONIGHT? CITIZENS COMMENTS? OKAY.
[7. PLAT REVIEW]
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN THEN, UM, FOR A, UH, ONE OF OUR PLAT REVIEWS.GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
YES, THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT IS THE, UH, PLAT REVIEW THAT WE ARE DOING FOR, UH, PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF FOUR PARCELS AT THE INTERSECTION OF WEEKLY ROAD AND CHURCH ROAD IN NORTH DINWITTY.
THIS PROPERTY'S ALREADY ZONED R1 RESIDENTIAL, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR MINIMUM 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
UH, THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING TO, UH, DEVELOP TWO ROADS, UH, ENTERING FROM WEEKLY ROAD, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW, UH, FOR 16 LOTS, UH, TO DEVELOP AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION, UH, AGAIN, OF THE FOUR EXISTING PARCELS THAT ARE ZONED R1 RESIDENTIAL LIMITED.
UH, THIS WOULD BE, UH, WHAT WE REFER TO AS A BY RIGHT SUBDIVISION
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SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE ZONING THEY NEED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.UH, SO AS THEY MOVE FURTHER WITH THE PROJECT, UH, BEYOND THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN, UH, THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, THEY, UH, WILL HAVE TO DO, UH, CONSTRUCTION PLANS, UH, FOR THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION, INCLUDING THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLANS, CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE PROPOSED ROADS, AND OF COURSE HANDLING, UH, ENS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, THEIR, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN, UH, TO ADDRESS, UH, STORMWATER RUNOFF RELATED TO THE SUBDIVISION.
SO, UH, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP OF, UM, JUST DOING THEIR PLAT REVIEW BEFORE YOU ALL FOR THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT, UM, FOR THE 16 LOTS THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.
UH, THEIR, UH, ENGINEER IS HERE THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, BUT I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE RELATED TO THE PLAT AT THIS TIME.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE APPROVE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, RIGHT.
YEAH, SO, UM, I MEAN, I'M NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPER, BUT THE ONE THING THAT KIND OF CAUGHT MY EYE WITH THIS PLAN, AND I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD AS MANY HOUSES AS THEY CAN IN THAT SPACE, IT'S JUST ADDING A LOT OF, A LOT MORE ENTRANCES ONTO WEEKLY ROAD.
SO WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE FOUR, UM, FOUR LOTS IN A ROAD, NOW WE HAVE FIVE LOTS AND A ROAD ENTRANCE.
SO IT JUST, I KNOW THIS, THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF, I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS ALREADY IN THAT AREA.
I'M JUST, IT'S HAPPENED A LOT IN CHESTERFIELD WHERE THEY BUILT HOUSES ON THE MAIN ROAD, UM, FACING THE ROAD.
SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BUSES ARE HAVING TO STOP MULTIPLE TIMES ALONG THAT ROAD VERSUS TURNING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GETTING EVERYBODY IN ONE PLACE.
THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT CROSSED MY MIND WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, UM, THAT IF WE COULD TURN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ENTRANCES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD INSTEAD OF PUTTING THEM ALL ON WEEKLY.
UM, SOME OF THE LOTS THAT ARE FACING WEEKLY, LIKE LOTS THREE AND 15, I'M SURE THAT, I'M PRETTY SURE THEIR DRIVEWAYS WILL BE COMING OFF THE NEW PROPOSED ROAD.
AND I THINK LOTS ONE AND TWO, VDOT HAS RECENTLY HAD THE POLICY THAT, UM, IF YOU HAVE LOTS LIKE THAT FRONTING ON A VDOT MAINTAINED ROAD, THAT THEY WILL HAVE A SHARED ENTRANCE.
SO I BELIEVE, UH, LOTS ONE AND TWO MORE THAN LIKELY ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A SHARED ENTRANCE, BUT...
SO IT WOULD END UP BEING THREE, TWO ENTRANCES TO HOUSE - I THINK...
AND THEN ONE ENTRANCE TO THE ROAD.
I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.
I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, I MEAN, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I SAW ASK THE QUESTION, BUT I MEAN, EVERYTHING CONFORMS TO OUR COUNTY ORDINANCES, RIGHT? YES.
SO, SO, BUT I ECHO SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND, AND I THINK YOU KNOW MY FEELINGS ABOUT SHARED ENTRANCES.
I, WHEN I WAS AT VDOT, I UNDID THEM FOR DECADES.
UM, SO IT, IT, THEY BECOME A PROBLEM, UM, DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT THE, UM, I THINK TO THE EXTENT I WOULD SUGGEST TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, AND MAYBE WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT THIS WITH STAFF, IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAYBE CONSIDER LOOK, RE-LOOKING AT OUR ORDINANCES TO ENCOURAGE MORE OF WHAT, UH, WAS JUST DESCRIBED.
UM, BECAUSE AS, AS YOU SAID, THIS IS A REVIEW.
HONESTLY, SOMETIMES I WONDER WHY WE EVEN HAVE THIS IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE A REVIEW BECAUSE IT'S NOTHING WE'RE REALLY DOING HERE BUT MAKING COMMENTS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT AND, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE, DISCOURAGE SOME OF THAT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, IT'D BE NICE MAYBE TO CONSIDER THAT FROM STAFF.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE THINKS THAT WAY OR NOT.
I MEAN, AND I GUESS ALONG THOSE LINES, AND I SEE MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SEEM LIKE HAVE THIS, SO I ASSUME IT'S OBVIOUSLY ALLOWED, BUT JUST THE ONE ENTRANCE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, I FEEL LIKE PROBABLY IT'S BETTER TO HAVE TWO.
AGAIN, I'M NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDER
THIS ONE DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SECOND ONE ON A DIFFERENT ROAD TO KIND OF SPREAD OUT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC.
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UM, I JUST THINK LIKE LAKE JORDAN, HAVING THAT ONE ENTRANCE THAT ENDS UP BACKING UP WHITE OAK ROAD IN ROUTE ONE RIGHT THERE, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO THAT WAY.THERE'S NOT ANOTHER WAY THEY CAN GET OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, I GUESS ONE ENTRANCE, YOU CAN'T REALLY CONTROL.
YOU CAN'T FORCE ALL OF THEM TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES, BUT WHERE WE CAN, IT WOULD BE KIND OF NICE TO CONSIDER.
JUST FOR REFERENCE, THERE IS A THRESHOLD FOR THAT, A NUMBER OF LOTS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT.
ANOTHER POINT TO POSSIBLY CONSIDER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THAT.
[8. PUBLIC HEARING]
ALONG TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.AND OUR FIRST CASE THIS EVENING IS, UH, CASE A-26-5.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, PLANNING COMMISSIONER MEMBERS.
UH, I'M HERE TO REINTRODUCE, UM, A-26-5.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO ESTABLISH THE M3 LIFE SCIENCES BIOTECHNOLOGY AND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING DISTRICT THAT WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON AT OUR LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
UM, THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS DEPARTMENT, UH, GRANT TO, UM, TO ACQUIRE, REMEDIATE, AND REDEVELOP THE CENTRAL STATE HOSPITAL SITE.
UM, THIS DISTRICT, UH, DISTRICT, AS YOU RECALL, IS VERY RESTRICTIVE ON THE, ON THE USES ALLOWED.
UM, IT HAS TWO PRIMARY USES, UH, THE FIRST BEING A LIFE SCIENCES FACILITY AND THE SECOND BEING A MANUFACTURING, UH, FACILITY.
UH, THERE'S SECONDARY USES SUCH AS OFF-STREET PARKING, UH, PUBLIC UTILITIES, CONSERVATION AREAS, ACCESSORY USES AND SIGNS, AND ONE CONDITIONAL USE, UM, WHICH IS A COMMUNICATIONS TOWER.
UM, I WILL REITERATE AGAIN, LIKE I DID DURING THE WORKSHOP, UM, NO USE IN THIS DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW A DATA CENTER WAREHOUSE TO LOCATE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TO ADD.
UM, FEEL FREE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HAVE YOU CHANGED ANYTHING SINCE THE WORKSHOP? THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN ADDED WAS A VDOT TRAFFIC STUDY REQUIREMENT FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENED ON THE SITE.
THE OTHER WORDING YOU DIDN'T - NO, SIR.
UM, UH, THERE WAS STILL A, UM, EDITORIAL NOTE.
I ASSUME THAT WAS FIXED ON PAGE, UM, 13.
UM, NOTHING WAS CHANGED THERE.
SO IT DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER SECTION? NO, IT DOES NOT.
SO THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE - YEAH, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I, I, I GUESS I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS AND UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CONTEXT BEHIND IT.
I, I DO WONDER SOMETIMES IF WE AREN'T BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTIVE TO YOUR POINTS MADE THERE, BUT, UM...
AND, AND I, I'LL BRING IT UP AGAIN, LIKE AT THE WORKSHOP.
WE WENT, WE, WE APPROACHED THE, THE, UH, STATE WITH DOING A PROFFER, UH, CONCEPT, PROFFERING THE USES THAT, THAT WE THOUGH WERE, WERE BEST FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE, ONCE WE FOUND OUT THAT THAT WAS NOT AN OPTION, UM, WE FELT LIKE TO, TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY FROM, FROM USES THAT WEREN'T DESIRABLE THAT ARE IN OUR M1 AND M2 DISTRICT, SHRINKING IT DOWN TO WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE WAS THE BEST OPTION TO SECURE THE PROPERTY'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
I, I UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS BEING CREATED.
I GUESS, UM, MY CONCERN IS WHAT ARE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC SITE FOR THIS.
WHAT ELSE COULD COME UP THAT WE HADN'T THOUGH ABOUT WITH THIS, UM, SOMEWHERE ELSE? YOU KNOW, I WAS READING A LOT ABOUT THE M1 AND M2 AND TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND IT AND JUST, UM, MAYBE CONSIDERATIONS ARE NEEDED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE CUPS WITH MORE, UM, LIKE, I'M THINKING PHARMACEUTICAL TYPE THINGS.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, IT, WOULD ADVANCE SIX BE CONSIDERED A COMPANY
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THAT WOULD FIT THIS SITE? IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT IT WOULD NOT.YEAH, I JUST, WITH BIOSCIENCE AND, OR LIFE SCIENCE, IT'S VERY VAGUE.
UM, AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE SOME DEFINITIONS THERE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, BUT JUST LIKE CONSIDERATIONS FOR POTENTIAL NOISE AND ODORS, UH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH FOR ODORS, BUT, UM, HAZARDOUS WASTE MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, UM, I JUST, I, I'M WORRIED THAT THAT STUFF COULD COME, AND I KNOW WE CAN EDIT IT LATER AND ADD AMENDMENTS, BUT THOSE WERE JUST THINGS THAT KIND OF CAME TO MIND WHEN I WAS READING IT.
YES, AND YOU ALL ARE ALSO WELCOME TO MAKE EDITS TONIGHT AND AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I GUESS I WOULD ASK, ANNA, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE CUPS TO BE INTRODUCED TO THIS? I THINK THERE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ZONED THAT WAY YET.
UM, BUT I COULD SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
WHAT DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I, WHATEVER Y'ALL'S PLEASURE IS FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
I ASKED WHAT YOU FELT ABOUT IT, NOT ME.
I'M JUST SAYING HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? DO YOU THINK IF YOU ADD CUPS TO THIS, THEN IT'S GONNA MUDDY THE WATERS AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY IT'S JUST A HARDER PROCESS TO GO THROUGH? IT COULD POTENTIALLY.
I FEEL LIKE THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE VERY STRONG.
UM, DEFINITELY A CUP PROCESS WOULD BE MORE THOROUGH WHEN GOING ON PUTTING SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS ON A SPECIFIC, ON A SPECIFIC USER.
UM, ONE THING TO ADD IS, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE COUNTY OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, SO THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE SAY OVER WHAT GOES THERE, UM, BECAUSE THEY OWN IT.
UM, I THINK A CUP, UM, IS DEFINITELY A GOOD OPTION TO GO IF YOU WANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTER.
UM, ANOTHER OPTION YOU HAVE IS TO ADD MORE RESTRICTIVE, UM, USE STANDARDS IN THERE AS WELL AS IF YOU WOULD LIKE, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF OR AS FAR AS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
UM, BUT ADDING A CUP IN THERE IS DEFINITELY FAIR.
SO DID SOMETHING CHANGE BETWEEN OUR WORKSHOP AND TODAY? THE COUNTY OWNS IT? NO, SIR.
SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY IT WOULD BE COUNTY PROPERTY UNTIL IT IS COUNTY PROPERTY.
AND WHERE THE CUP IN A M3 WOULD GIVE US, IF IT NEVER COMES TO FRUITION TO BE UNDER OUR AUTHORITY, THE ABILITY TO, TO RESTRICT THINGS EVEN MORE IF WE, IF NECESSARY.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE, UM, AND THIS ISN'T SO MUCH THE CUP, BUT JUST ONE OF THE, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE IT WAS IN THE STANDARDS AND IT'S, IT'S JUST HOW THE OTHER ONE, THE OTHER M1 AND M2 ARE AT 70% OF THE LOT CAN BE BUILT, UM, IS BUILDABLE, I GUESS IS THE WORD.
UM, AND JUST THINKING IF A COMPANY CAME IN THAT NEEDED, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE STORAGE FACILITIES OR STORM, UH, WATER, UH, MANAGEMENT, JUST IS THAT 70% IS JUST A LOT OF A LOT, UM, FOR PARKING AND THE BUFFERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, UM, THAT WAS ONE THING THAT DID STICK OUT TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF OTHERS FEEL SIMILARLY.
UM, THE 70% MIRRORS THE M1 AND M2, AND THAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR THAT.
AND I WILL SAY ADDING THE CUP TO EACH USE KIND OF MUDDIES THE WATER FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO HAVE THE LAND ZONE AND READY TO GO WHEN A USER COMES IN.
I THINK PERHAPS IF YOU WANTED TO ADD MORE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS NO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, I THINK THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT HAVING A CUP WITH EVERY SINGLE USE WOULD, WOULD BE DESIRABLE.
UM, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT IN M1 AND M2, AND REALLY A LOT OF THE M2 USE, PERMITTED
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USES ARE, ARE A LOT SCARIER THAN THESE TWO.MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY ALSO, IT'S ME.
UM, I JUST - NEED TO GET A, YOUR CHAIR RAISED A BIT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THOSE COMMENTS, AND THAT IS, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE WAY THAT THE DISTRICT IS OUTLINED, LIKE MOST DISTRICTS, THERE ARE RIGHT, THAT, THERE ARE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU USUALLY HAVE OUT - THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE OUTLINED HERE IN ONE THROUGH SEVEN.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO ALLOW USES BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS WHERE YOU SEE NUMBER EIGHT.
SO TO THE EXTENT THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING TO ADD ADDITIONAL USES, THEN YOU COULD CONSIDER THOSE BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
BUT I THINK THE POINT THAT WAS JUST CONVEYED IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO, FOR ECONOMIC DEV - DE - ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES, THERE ARE SOME USES THAT SHOULD, THAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING BE DONE BY RIGHT, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S WRITTEN THE WAY IT IS.
UH, I'LL ADD A TWIST OF THIS AND SAY, UM, SO I DO SEE THE VALUE THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT AGAINST SAY SOME OTHER RANDOM PROPERTY THAT COMES UP LATER, UM, THAT COULD BE DEALT WITH A DIFFERENT WAY, WHICH IS FINE.
WE, WE HAVE, I THINK WE RETAIN THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT.
BUT TO MR. TIBBONS' POINT, IT DIDN'T YET THE COUNTY'S OWNERSHIP.
SO WHAT IS THE RISK OF, UM, I MEAN, IS, IS THERE A NEED TO, TO DO PTAS 26-7 TONIGHT AND IN OTHER WORDS WAIT TILL THAT'S OWNED BY THIS COUNTY? THE, THE RISK IN THIS CASE, UM, WELL, FIRST OFF, UM, THE AMENDMENT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND THE REZONING NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR THE COUNTY TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT APPLICATION.
THE SECOND RISK IS THAT, UM, THE STATE HAS DESIGNATED THE PROPERTY FOR SURPLUS.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED R1 RESIDENTIAL LIMITED.
UM, SO IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE BOUGHT BY A, UM, LARGE HOME DEVELOPER, UM, AND THE HOUSE COULD BE DEVELOPED, I MEAN, THE PROPERTY COULD BE DEVELOPED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, UM, WHICH WE FEEL IS, IS NOT THE BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY, UM, CONSIDERING THE, THE BROWNFIELDS ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE OLD, UM, SOUTHSIDE TRAINING CENTER AND, AND EXISTING, UH, CENTRAL STATE HOSPITAL BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T BEING USED ANYMORE.
AND ALSO THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NEW HOSPITAL THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING.
UM, WE FEEL LIKE BUILDING HOMES IN AN AREA LIKE THAT IS, IS NOT THE, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
BUT DOES THAT MAKE Y'ALL FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THAT? 'CAUSE I MEAN, I THINK YOU MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS AND I, I'D LIKE TO, AS I SAID EARLIER, I HAVE SOME RESERVATION ABOUT, ABOUT IT TOO, BUT TO YOUR POINTS ABOUT BEING, UH, UM, MI - YOU KNOW, MITIGATING OUR, UH, R- RISK IN TERMS OF GETTING A GRANT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, ANY, ANY, ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARING FIRST? GO AHEAD AND HAVE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I KNOW A LOT OF Y'ALL SPOKE EARLIER ON THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS, WHICH WAS GREAT.
UH, NOW'S THE TIME TO TALK IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, CASE YOU JUST HEARD, UH, DESCRIBED, UM, CASE A-26-5.
SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
AND IF THERE'S ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THAT.
MR. CHAIR, THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE FOLKS, UH, YOU KNOW, COME AND COMMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HEARD ANYTHING YOU WANNA SPEAK ON.
IF NOT, I'LL GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COME ON UP AND LIKE, LIKE BEFORE, JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
ANT KOVIAK, 9203 GIBSON DRIVE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON, SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE, LIKE, KNOWING WHAT, WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS, UM, BECAUSE WHEN, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HANNAH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY LIFE SCIENCE, WHATEVER, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE ANYTHING.
AND SO, LIKE, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO BRING IN BEFORE WE SAY YES OR NO, BECAUSE WE SAY, "SURE, BRING IT IN." AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, "WELL, WE'RE GONNA GROW BODY PARTS." LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIFE AND SCIENCE.
ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, TO THIS CASE? YOU WANNA SPEAK? OKAY, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, SO WITH NO ONE ELSE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT AND, UH,
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UH, BACK TO OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC OR ANYTHING YOU KINDA PONDERED ON HERE? ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS? I,SO A COUNTERPOINT TO THAT MAY BE, WOULDN'T THAT BE COVERED UNDER THE STATE REGULATION FOR SUCH FACILITIES? UH, MAYBE.
WHERE ARE YOU READING FROM? I AM GONNA TELL YOU IN JUST A SECOND.
IS IT PAGE SEVEN, THE DEFINITION? YEAH.
FOR EVERYBODY OUT HERE, I'M GONNA READ TO YOU WHAT IT SAYS.
LIFE SCIENCE FACILITY, A USE THAT IS COMPRISED OF ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING: LABORATORY SPACE, OFFICE SPACE, A SPACE FOR ASSEMBLY OF MATERIALS FOR STUDY, RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, EXPERIMENTATION, PROTOTYPE DEVELOPMENT, AND MANUFACTURE.
USES MAY INVOLVE ONE OR MORE SPECIFIC FIELDS, INCLUDING - SCIENTIFIC.
OH, SCIENTIFIC FIELDS, EXCUSE ME, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LIFE SCIENCES, BIOTECHNOLOGY, BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH, ROBOTICS, RENEWABLE TECHNOLOGY, SUSTAINABLE TECHNOLOGY, COMPUTER SCIENCE, ELECTRONIC TECHNOLOGY, OR MEDICINE IN A FACILITY OR FACILITIES.
FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT, A LIFE SCIENCE FACILITY SHALL NOT INCLUDE A DATA WAREHOUSE CENTER.
SO, SO NOW YOU KNOW WHAT A LIFE SCIENCE FACILITY IS.
NOT A VIRUS DEPO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
LIKE ONE OF THOSE ONES WHERE THE, UM, WHAT WAS IT THAT WAS JUST RELEASED IN RUSSIA?.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, I, I, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT HANNAH WAS SAYING.
UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING.
UH, AND I MEAN, IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA...
I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF THOSE WOULD BE BAD, DEPENDING ON KNOWING WHAT THEY DO.
I'M SAYING IF WE ACCEPT THIS TONIGHT IN THE FORM THAT IT'S WRITTEN, THEN THEY GET IT BY RIGHT.
THERE IS NO ANYTHING TO STOP WHATEVER IT IS.
OTHER THAN NORMAL, THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS OR THIS OR WHATEVER.
SO A QUESTION FOR STAFF WOULD BE THEN, I GUESS, UH, IF ADDING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AKIN TO THE CUP THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WHILE I REALIZE THAT IT IS A, A DELAY, UM, THAT, THAT OTHER THAN THE DELAY, IT DOESN'T AFFECT, UH, THE GRANT, DOES IT? THE APPLICATION FOR THE GRANT? ARE YOU SAYING DELAYING THE VOTING DELAY? I'M SAYING THAT, I'M SAYING THAT...
I UNDERSTAND THE DELAY, BUT I'M SAYING THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'VE HEARD, THAT YOU'VE HEARD CONTEMPLATED HERE TONIGHT.
DOES ANY OF THAT LANGUAGE, UH, AFFECT THE ABILITY TO RECEIVE A GRANT? UM, I, I WOULD SAY IF YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING IN THE CONDITIONS ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE HAZARDOUS PLAN, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT ADDING A CUP WITH EACH USE WOULD, WOULD BE DESIRABLE.
SO WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THAT? I'M TRYING TO FIND A KIND OF GOOD, HAPPY MEDIUM HERE.
I CAN'T SAY THAT ADDING A CUP WOULD MAKE IT LESS DESIRABLE.
THEY MAY NOT WANNA COME AS QUICK,
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BUT AT LEAST YOU COVER YOUR BASES.I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLOWING ANYTHING THAT'S MEDICALLY RELATED.
I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD STOP SOMEBODY FROM COMING AND JUST DOING WILLY-NILLY BIORESEARCH ON VIRUSES, DISEASES OR ANYTHING? WHAT WOULD STOP THAT? THE M2 PERMITTED USES FOR YOU.
I, LOOK, THAT'S, THAT'S WATER OVER THE BRIDGE.
WE, WE CAN GO BACK AND CHANGE THAT.
WELL, YOU CAN GO BACK AND CHANGE THESE ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW? I MEAN - UM, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW PERMITTED USES IN THE M2 THAT ARE A LOT MORE HEAVY INTENSIVE.
WITH THE M2, THEY WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY STILL HAVE TO APPLY...
AND I'M, I'M JUST THINKING LIKE SOMEBODY PURCHASE OR WANTING TO REZONE A1 OR R1 OR WHATEVER, UM, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONE FOR M2 TO HAVE THAT RIGHT.
WE'VE BEEN PUT CONDITIONS ON IT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED M2.
WHAT DOES CBC SAY? WHAT DO THEY SAY ABOUT EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS? WHAT DO THEY SAY? WHAT RESTRICTIONS? SO COULD YOU MAYBE REPEAT WHAT I THINK YOU WERE MAKING SOMEWHAT OF A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU HEAR SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE THAT WOULD STILL A- ADDRESS, UH, ALLOW YOU TO ADDRESS THE, THE DESIRE? MAYBE, UH, MS. POWELL CAN HELP WITH SOME LANGUAGE, BUT PERHAPS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UM, A HAZARD, HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED, UM, TO THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, OR IT CAN JUST BE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY, ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS HAS TO COMPLY WITH LOCAL FEDERAL, LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO ANYWAY.
BUT IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU ALL? I MEAN, COULD YOU SEPARATE...
WELL, NO, BECAUSE LIFE SCIENCES FACILITY, WE HAVE A DEFINITION THERE.
I MEAN, COULD WE JUST WORK ON THAT DEFINITION A LITTLE BIT TO NARROW IT DOWN TO SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? WE COULD WORK AT MASSAGING THE DEFINITION.
AND ULTIMATELY, IT IS UP TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. CULBREATH, TO MAKE THE INTERPRETATION IF IT INDEED FITS IN, INTO THAT DEFINITION.
AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO MR. CULBRETH TOMORROW, WOULD THE NEXT PERSON HAVE THE SAME...
I MEAN, TYPICALLY, OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT MUCH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENCE IN INTERPRETATION.
GENERALLY, THEY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STATE CODE DEFINITION IS, IF A USE COMES IN, AND EVEN LOOKING AT WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY TO SEE WHAT THE TECHNICAL DE- DEFINITION WOULD BE.
I WILL SAY ONE OF THE INTENTS, REALLY, WITH THE LIFE SCIENCES WAS REALLY TARGETING THE PHARMACEUTICAL MANUFACTURING, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE WORKSHOP, YOU KNOW? KIND OF A TRIANGLE WITH, UM, GOOCHLAND, THE ELI LILLY, THE PHARMACEUTICAL HUB THAT'S HAPPENING IN PETERSBURG, AND THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THOSE.
MR. CHAIR, UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, MS. POWELL AND I WERE TALKING, AND, UM, YOU ALL COULD CERTAINLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD THAT THE USES COME WITH A CUP.
UM, THAT COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU ALL MAKE TO THE BOARD AS PART OF - UNDERSTOOD.
YOUR RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING.
NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER.
SO I, I GUESS A QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR LAST COMMENT THERE ABOUT IF YOU WANT...
WHY NOT BE MORE SPECIFIC TO PHARMACEUTICAL THEN?.
BUT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS, BUT MAYBE ELIMINATE OTHER THINGS THEN.
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THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING.I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST, I'M THROWING OUT, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, COULD YOU, UM, UNDER LIKE THE USES, THE PERMITTED USES, HAVE A SEPARATE CATEGORY THAT'S LIKE HIGHER IMPACT FACILITIES THAT ARE DOING LIKE INTENSIVE CHEMICAL MANUFACTURING? OR IS THAT, I MEAN, IT COULD STILL FALL UNDER LIFE SCIENCES.
I GUESS IS THE INTENT TO TRY TO PERHAPS, UM, NOT HAVE LIKE SOME OF THE PLANTS IN HOPEWELL? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? YEAH, WELL - THINK THAT NO OUTSIDE STORAGE KIND OF - RIGHT.
NEGATES THAT TYPE OF USER? RIGHT.
I MEAN, AND I DON'T KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF WHAT, UM, THE ZONING WITH THOSE TYPICALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST KIND OF - RIGHT.
MAKING SURE WE'VE COVERED OUR BASES.
WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MR. BASSETT HAD.
I MEAN, DO YOU, YOU'VE KIND OF GOTTEN A SENSE OF WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED HERE.
DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PHRASE, PHRASE THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND TO US TO CONSIDER IN REGARD TO CUP FOR AN, FOR AN AMENDMENT? WOULD THAT BE LIKE IN A, IN THE FORM OF A, OF A, ANOTHER SECTION? NO, TYPICALLY THE WAY WE'VE STRUCTURED OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THUS FAR, IT WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE THE USES LISTED AND THEN IF YOU, IF IT REQUIRED A CUP, IT WOULD JUST SAY, UM, WITH A C - WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL FEEL - BUT IF YOU HAD SPECIFIC USES THAT OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S LISTED THERE THAT YOU FELT WERE MORE INTENSE, THAT WE COULD SINGLE OUT, UM, YOU COULD THEN LIST THAT USE AND SAY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF FACILITY THAT SOMEBODY'S CONSIDERING THAT'S, SHOULDN'T BE BY USE OR PERMITTED BY RIGHT, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LIST THAT USE AND SAY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING, THERE'S SOMETHING YOU ALL ARE THINKING, YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND THAT YOU THINK IS TOO INTENSE OF A USE THAT SHOULD, SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED JUST TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND THAT YOU'RE, SOME, SOMETHING THAT SPECIFIC THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF THIS EVENING RELATED TO THE, TO THE GENERAL USES THAT'S, THAT YOU'RE, THAT'S CAUSING YOU TO WANT THE CONDITIONS.
IT'S HARD TO SAY BECAUSE THESE ARE SO BROAD THAT YOU CAN'T NARROW IT DOWN TO A FEW BUSINESSES THAT WOULD COME IN THERE.
LIKE JUST TAKE BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK ANYBODY THAT MAKES A DRUG, MANUFACTURES A DRUG, UH, ANYBODY THAT ACTUALLY DOES CRAZY WUHAN, CHINA STUFF, ALL THAT.
I MEAN, ALL THAT WOULD COME UNDER BIOMEDICAL BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO TEST THINGS.
THEY'VE GOT LABS THAT TEST IT ON ANIMALS.
THEY, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
IT'S HARD TO MAKE A SPECIFIC LIST OF BUSINESSES THAT YOU SAY, OH, WELL THIS ONE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CEP.
I MEAN, NOW IF YOU TOLD ME THAT SOMEBODY WAS COMING TO MAKE ROBITUSSIN OR TYLENOL, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE MAKING, I PRETTY MUCH, WE'VE HAD THAT OVER IN PETERSBURG, THAT STUFF WOULD, YOU PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
BUT, UH, I DON'T, IT'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, I MEAN, YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THIS AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY AND HOPE THAT THE STATE'S GONNA REGULATE IT LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GONNA REGULATE IT LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO, BUT I DON'T TRUST EITHER ONE OF THEM.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO
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THAT.IF IT, IF IT WAS TO BUILD, IF IT WAS TO MAKE MEDICINE, THAT'S ONE THING.
IF IT WAS, YOU TOLD ME ELI LILLY WAS COMING HERE AND THEY WERE GONNA MAKE AN ALZHEIMER'S DRUG OR THEY WERE GONNA MAKE THIS AND THAT, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, TO BE SPECIFIC LIKE THAT WITH BROAD TERMS LIKE THESE WITHOUT JUST SAYING, "HEY, EVERYBODY HAS A CUP AND THAT WAY WE AT LEAST SEE DEEPER INTO WHAT THEY'RE DOING." I DON'T KNOW.
I UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY'S SIDE OF THAT.
IT, IT INHIBITS WHEN PEOPLE GO, "OH, I CAN GO OVER HERE AND IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO GET THIS PERMIT DONE." AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SAY, "OKAY, LET THEM GO OVER THERE." BUT I, I UNDERSTAND WE GOTTA PROTECT US AND I WANNA PROTECT US.
MAYBE THE DEFINITION SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC TO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF INDUSTRY THAT YOU WANNA BRING INSTEAD OF A BROAD BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH.
UH, IF YOU WANNA LIMIT IT TO, UH, DRUG MANUFACTURING, YOU WANNA LIMIT IT TO CERTAIN TYPES OF LAB SPACE TO STUDY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEN HOW MANY, HOW MANY DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES ARE YOU GONNA HAVE UNDER THAT DEFINITION? I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE OVERWHELMING.
JUST LIKE THE M2 OR THE M1, UH...
IS THERE SOME BROAD LANGUAGE THAT YOU COULD SUGGEST TO KINDA JUST COMPATIBLE WITH THE PERCEPTION OF THE BROAD LANGUAGE THAT'S HERE AS WELL? IF I'M THE ONLY PERSON THINKING THE WAY I'M THINKING, Y'ALL CAN GO AHEAD AND PASS IT.
NO, I THINK, I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.
I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO ZERO IN ON WHAT'S A, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE - RIGHT, A HAPPY MEDIUM SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
UH - AND I UNDERSTAND MARK'S POINT THAT YOU JUST MADE THAT, ABOUT SOME SPECIFICITY THERE.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE THAT COULD BE MORE BROAD.
THAT'S WHY I, I SUGGESTED A SECTION WHEN I SPOKE EARLIER.
IS THERE JUST A BROAD SECTION THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THAT THAT WOULD COVER THIS? AND THE BOARD IS VOTING ON THIS NEXT WEEK? YES.
I THINK THE CUP WOULD KEEP US SAFE.
UM - WELL, AT LEAST MAKE SOMEBODY COME IN FRONT OF US - YEAH.
IT'S JUST A WAY TO REGULATE AND HERE WE ALL GO AGAIN.
WE CAN'T REGULATE HALF OF WHAT WE GOT.
WHY ARE WE GONNA REGULATE SOMETHING ELSE?
WELL, THE BOARD MIGHT DISAGREE, SO.
ISN'T IT, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, SOMETHING BROAD HERE THAT WOULD, UH, KIND OF COVER THE BASE AND, UM, AND IT MAY BE RE - NEEDED TO BE READ, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED FOR M1 AND TWO PER- PERHAPS AS WELL, BUT SOMETHING SIMILAR.
BUT AT LEAST IN THE CREATION OF M3.
AND SPACE FOR ASSEMBLY OF MATERIALS FOR STUDY, WHAT ARE WE ASSEMBLING AND STUDY? I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY BROAD.
WE COULD BE ASSEMBLING A NERVE AGENT AND STUDYING IT ON WHATEVER WE WANNA STUDY IT ON.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST HOW BROAD IT IS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT.
AND I HATE THAT THIS IS ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOMING AN ISSUE, BUT...
MR. CHAIR, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, LIFE SCIENCE INDUSTRIES, HERE ARE KIND OF SOME CORE SECTORS AND MAYBE THIS WOULD HELP, UM, SHRINK DOWN, I GUESS, THE DEFINITION, BUT SOME CORE SECTORS ARE PHARMACEUTICALS, COMPANIES THAT DO R&D, UH, MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTION, CHEMICAL-BASED MEDICATIONS, DRUGS, VACCINES, ET CETERA,
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UM, BIOTECHNOLOGY OR BIOTECH COMPANIES, SO BUSINESSES THAT USE LIVING ORGANISM CELLS OR PROCESSES TO CREATE MEDICAL, AGRICULTURE OR ENVIRONMENTAL SOLUTIONS.UM, MEDICAL DEVICES AND TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE MED TECH IS, IS THE SHORT TERMS. SO FIRMS THAT, UM, DESIGN AND BUILD PHYSICAL AND DIGITAL TOOLS, SO BASIC SURGICAL EQUIPMENT, UM, PACEMAKERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, CONTRACT RESEARCH AND MANUFACTURING ORGANIZATIONS.
SO THIS IS, WOULD BE LIKE COMPANIES THAT, UM, OUTSOURCE MAYBE CLINICAL TRIALS OR LAB TESTING, UM, FOR LARGER SCALE MANUFACTURING, UM, AND AGRICULTURAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL BIOSCIENCE.
SO SECTORS APPLY INTO, UM, BIOLOGY TO IMPROVE CROP RESILIENCE OR FOOD PROCESSING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THERE THAT YOU HEAR THAT, THAT WE COULD MAYBE TAILOR IT DOWN? I MEAN, I, I L - I DON'T MIND PHARMACEUTICALS, THE DEVELOPMENT OF MEDICAL INSTRUMENTS.
I MEAN, THAT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM THE NEWEST, GREATEST, LATEST HOSPITAL BED TO A NEW SPECIAL SCALPEL.
WHO KNOWS? UH, THOSE ARE PRETTY EASY.
IT'S WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FARMING OUT RESEARCH TO PEOPLE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT STARTS TO GET A LITTLE SKETCHY.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT IS THAT SOME OF THAT IS SUGGESTED LANGUAGE.
SO THE PIECES THAT YOU LIKE, PERHAPS WE INCLUDE THAT AND THE ONES THAT DON'T LIKE - RIGHT.
SO WOULD THOSE NEED TO FALL UNDER THE LIFE SCIENCES FACILITY DEFINITION OR WOULD THEY BE SEPARATE DEFINITIONS?.
SO WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT, WHAT I HEARD WAS TAKE THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH AND REPLACE IT WITH THE THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED TO BE DESIRABLE AND WHAT YOU JUST READ.
HOW DOES THAT, IS THAT, THAT, ANYBODY ELSE? OR ARE YOU SAYING KEEP THIS PARAGRAPH BUT THEN GO THROUGH BULLET POINTS OF THOSE DIFFERENT FACILITIES? EITHER WAY.
I THINK IF YOU'RE GENERALLY OKAY WITH THE DEFINITION, BUT THERE ARE SOME PARTS OF IT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO AMEND, YOU CAN DO THAT.
MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION.
WELL, THAT'S THE REASON I SAID WHAT, THE WAY THAT I DID BECAUSE I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF, THERE WAS A PERCEPTION THAT, THAT MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THIS WAS VAGUE, BUT THAT SOME OF THE THINGS - RIGHT.
THAT EVERYTHING THAT, UH, UM, SHE READ WAS, WAS MORE SPECIFIC, BUT OF THE ONES THAT WERE READ, WHILE SPECIFIC, SOME WERE CONSIDERED TO BE BETTER THAN OTHERS.
SO LIKE YOUR POINT ABOUT, ABOUT EQUIPMENT OR, UH, UM, PHARMACEUTICAL, YES, BUT BIO - THE COMMENT ABOUT BIOMEDICAL, NO, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ALREADY HERE.
WELL, I'M ALL RIGHT WITH BIOMEDICAL IF YOU DEFINE WHAT UNDER THE BIOMEDICAL FIELD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WHERE IT SAYS, "BUT NOT LIMITED TO," AND THE VERY FIRST ONE LISTED IS LIFE SCIENCES.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO TAKE THAT OUT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN IT GOES INTO BIOTECHNOLOGY, BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH, ROBOTICS, RENEWABLE TECHNOLOGY, SUSTAINABLE TECHNOLOGY, COMPUTER SCIENCE, ELECTRONIC TECHNOLOGY, OR MEDICINE IN A FACILITY OR FACILITIES.
SO ARE YOU SAYING TAKE THAT WHOLE PHRASE OUT THAT'S ROUGHLY THREE SENTENCE, THREE, UH, THREE LINES? NO, JUST LIFE SCIENCES.
AND MAYBE USE THE TERMS MORGAN JUST SHARED - UH-HUH.
THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC, I THINK.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST TAKE OUT BUT NOT LIMITED TO AND JUST SAY INCLUDING AND THEN GO TO BIOTECHNOLOGY.
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SO INCLUDING BIOTECHNOLOGY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FACILITIES WITH THE ADDITION OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MORGAN SAID.SO WHICH THINGS? UM, PHARMACEUTICAL WAS MENTIONED AND THAT'S NOT REALLY...
I MEAN, IT IS IMPLIED, I GUESS, HERE.
BUT, BUT YOU WANNA SEE IT MORE SPECIFICALLY DEFINED? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULDN'T HURT.
UM, AND I THINK THERE WAS A PART ABOUT FOOD PROCESSING OR WHAT WAS THAT? IT WAS ONE OF THE ONES TOWARD THE END.
I WAS TRYING TO WRITE IT DOWN.
AGRICULTURAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL BIOSCIENCES.
SO HOW IS THIS GONNA READ?
I MEAN, THE SIMPLEST THING TO DO WOULD MAKE IT ALL BE UNDER CUP.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I GO BACK TO THE QUESTION I ASKED BEFORE.
IS THERE JUST A BROAD STATEMENT THAT KIND OF ENCAPSULATE WHAT HUDDY JUST SAID? AND I KNOW THEY DON'T LIKE IT, AND THAT'S OKAY TOO.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT ALL OF THE USES BE BY CUP AND THERE ARE NO PERMITTED OR BY RIGHT USES IN THE DISTRICT? WELL, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I WOULD SAY YEAH, ALL OF THEM.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
AND I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT IN M2, BUT I BET WE DON'T HAVE 50 ACRES OF M2 LAND IN DUNWOODY COUNTY.
WHERE ARE THEY AT? OH, WELL, THAT WOULD TAKE A FEDERAL THING TO TURN THAT AIRPORT INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO IS IT - AND WE CAN GO BACK IN M2.
I DON'T MIND PUTTING THE CUP ON THEM TOO.
I MEAN, IF THAT, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE SCARED OF THEM, I DEFINITELY SCARED OF THEM.
WELL, I, I DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S A STRONG INFERENCE HERE THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT IF WE DO IT HERE.
BUT FOR THIS TONIGHT, DO YOU AGREE WITH WHAT OUR ATTORNEY JUST, UH - YEAH.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, I JUST VOTE NO AND SAY THAT WE WANTED IT WITH A CUP.
AND I MEAN, THE SAD THING IS WE DON'T HAVE...
I KNOW WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON THIS, BUT THIS WASN'T PART OF THE WORKSHOP.
AND WE HAD AN, IT WAS A, AN HOUR, WHICH WE'RE ABOUT TO BURN THAT UP FOR THIS MEETING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE...
Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT PHARMACEUTICALS COMING AND MEDICAL DEVICE PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S ALL I REMEMBER HEARING IN THAT.
I DON'T REMEMBER OUTSOURCING RESEARCH AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO OTHER PEOPLE.
I DON'T REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOING STEM CELL RESEARCH OR ANY, ANY KIND OF OTHER STUFF LIKE THAT.
I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT PHARMACEUTICALS AND ANYTHING DERIVED WITH LIKE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
WELL, I, I WOULD SUGGEST WE TAKE A POSITIVE APPROACH, AND IF THAT POSITIVE APPROACH IS ONE THAT INCLUDES LANGUAGE THAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH IN FAVOR OF TO PASS.
MR. MR. CHAIR, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I WAS, I WAS ASKING IF HE WAS, IF THE, IF THE SUGGESTION WAS TO HAVE ALL USES BE BY CUP.
AND I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT WAS YES, THAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION.
UM, SO IF THAT'S THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS TO DO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ATTEMPTING TO DO, AND THAT IS TO LIMIT THE DEFINITION OF LIFE SCIENCES.
AND IF THERE'S A DEFINITION THAT THE COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH, THEN MAYBE THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A CUP FOR EACH USE.
I, I WOULD PROPOSE TO Y'ALL THE CUP COVERS US BETTER AND THAT WE GO START DEFINING
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SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE MAY, LIKE, AS YOU, TO USE YOUR PHRASE, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.YEAH, I THINK IT, SINCE WE ARE IN A TIME CRUNCH, WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK LATER AND CHANGE IT, UM, AS WE THINK THROUGH WHAT THAT DEFINITION MAYBE COULD BE NARROWED DOWN TO.
BUT SINCE WE ARE ON THIS TIME CRUNCH, I THINK I WOULD FEEL BETTER WITH THE CUPS BEING ADDED.
I'LL, UM, IF THERE, ARE THERE, ARE WE READY FOR - WELL, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR IT LOOKS LIKE WE MAY HAVE A MOTION IF, IF Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH LISTENING TO A MOTION.
IF I CAN GET THROUGH IT WITH THE CHANGES.
UM, WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH BA 15.2 - 2285 AND 15.2 - 2286, THE DENWAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS OF THE OPINION THAT THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, WELFARE, OR GOOD ZONING PRACTICE WARRANT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE DENWITT COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HEREBY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT A-26-5 WITH THE ADDITION OF THE CUPS TO THE PERMITTED USES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY? WELL, THEN DO Y'ALL FEEL THAT'S CLEAR IN, IN WHAT THE INTENT OF THE DISCUSSION? OKAY.
FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING ON CASE A-26-5 HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH CUP ADDITIONS.
UM, OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING THEN IS CASE, UH, B, CASE P-26-7, OBVIOUSLY RELATED TO OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, BUT GO AHEAD AND KICK THAT OFF AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT AS WELL.
UH, THE NEXT CASE IS, UH, RELATED TO THE TEXT AMENDMENT WHERE WE'RE, UM, PROPOSING THE DINWIDDIE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS PROPOSING TO REZONE A PORTION OF TAX MAP PARCEL 10-7.
UM, THAT'S THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT HOUSES, UH, THE NEW CENTRAL STATE HOSPITAL, AS WELL AS THE HIRAM W.
DAVIS MEDICAL CENTER AND MEDICAL LONG-TERM CARE FACILITY, UH, THAT ARE MAIN- MAINTAINED BY THE STATE.
UH, AS MR. CULBRETH INDICATED, ALL OF THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R1 RESIDENTIAL LIMITED, AND THE COUNTY IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO BUSINESS GENERAL B2, AND THEN, UM, THE REMAINDER OF THAT, UH, THAT THE COUNTY'S PROPOSING TO REZONE WOULD BE TO THE M3 DISTRICT, UH, THAT WE JUST HAD DISCUSSION OF.
UH, THE PROPERTY PROPOSED TO BE REZONED CONSISTS OF 374 ACRES, AND, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S A PART OF THE OVERALL 571 ACRE CENTRAL STATE HOSPITAL PROPERTY.
OF THE 374 ACRES PROPOSED FOR REZONING, 350 AND A HALF ACRES IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO THE M3 ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED WITH YOU ALL.
AND 23 AND A HALF ACRES, UH, IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO THE B2 BUSINESS GENERAL DISTRICT.
YOU CAN SEE UP AT THE TOP THERE ALONG, UH, WEST WASHINGTON STREET, THAT WOULD BE THE PORTION THAT WOULD BE REZONED TO B2 BUSINESS GENERAL.
UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY PROPOSED FOR REZONING, AGAIN, DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, THE NEW CENTRAL STATE HOSPITAL ON THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE HIRAM W.
DAVIS MEDICAL CENTER FACILITY AS WELL.
AGAIN, UH, THE STATE WOULD STILL OWN APPROXIMATELY, UH, 200 ACRES OF THE OVERALL, UH, SITE.
UH, LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND HOW THEY'RE ZONED, UH, TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
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THAT'S THE OLD, UH, MAYFIELD, UH, RESIDENCE.AND THEN JUST TO THE EAST OF THAT, TOWARDS THE PETERSBURG CITY LIMITS, UH, ALL THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED, OR OWNED BY THE DINWIDDIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, AND THERE'S AN EXISTING TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER, UM, THAT, UH, LEASES SPACE THERE FROM THE DIMITY COUNTY WARD AUTHORITY.
UM, AND ALL TH- THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED B2 BUSINESS GENERAL.
ACROSS FROM THAT, OF COURSE, IS THE DOMINION ENERGY, UH, CAMPUS, AND ALL THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED M1 INDUSTRIAL LIMITED.
AND SEVERAL YEARS AGO, OF COURSE, THAT PROPERTY WAS ALSO ZONED, UH, R1 RESIDENTIAL LIMITED AND OWNED BY, UH, THE STATE AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, UH, DOMINION ENERGY, UH, UH, ASKED TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY TO ITS EXISTING M1 INDUSTRIAL LIMITED, UH, ZONING.
UH, ALL ALONG, UH, THE REST OF THE REMAINDER OF WEST WASHINGTON STREET ACROSS ROUTE ONE, ALL THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED B2, BUSINESS GENERAL.
AND THEN AS YOU GO DOWN ROUTE ONE, YOU HAVE THE WESTGATE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, THAT'S ZONED OUR B3 BUSINESS, UH, OUR SHOPPING CENTER, UH, ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
AND THEN AS YOU CONTINUE DOWN ROUTE ONE, ALL THAT PROPERTY A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WAS REZONED BY THE COUNTY TO, UH, B2 BUSINESS GENERAL.
AGAIN, UH, I THINK WE, AT THE WORKSHOP, UM, THE, UH, STAFF WENT OVER, UM, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE, UH, FOR THE REZONING IS TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, UM, AS PART OF, UH, THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIPS, UH, VIRGINIA BUSINESS READY SITES PROGRAM, UM, AND THE REZONING IS, UH, PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT, UH, TO, TO CONTINUE, UH, WITH THAT PROCESS TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDS, UH, FOR, UH, TO PREPARE THE SITE, UM, FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
UH, LOOKING AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, HAS A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IS WITHIN, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE, UH, EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA OF THE NORTHERN DINWOODY DEVELOPMENT AREA.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAD PROPOSED THAT, UH, WE WOULD HOPEFULLY HAVE USES, UH, IF THE PROPERTY IS EVER, UH, DEVELOPED, UH, BEYOND HOW IT IS NOW, UM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UM, BUSINESSES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR CONTINUED JOB GROWTH IN THE COUNTY.
AND THEN, UM, ALONG THE ROUTE ONE CORRIDOR, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UM, WE WOULD, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, IN AREAS THAT POSSIBLY COULD DEVELOP COMMERCIALLY, UM, THAT'S WHERE, UH, WE HAD LABELED THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, LOOKING AT IMPACTS, OF COURSE, UH, WATER AND SEWER'S AVAILABLE TO THE PROPERTY, UM, AND THERE'S BEEN SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO WATER AND SEWER WITH THE STATE, UH, DEVELOPING THE NEW HOSPITAL ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, ROADS WITHIN THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, MANY OF THOSE, OF COURSE, WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, ALTERED AS THE SITE'S DEVELOPED, AND, UM, THAT WOULD, UH, BE PART OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATED, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPER, UM, HOW, HOW THAT, HOW THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE.
UM, AS MR. CULBRETH INDICATED, WE DO REQUIRE, AS PART OF THE M3 ZONING DISTRICT, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UH, SUBMIT THROUGH THE, THE TA TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS AS PART OF REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT, THAT'S A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT UNDER THE M3, UH, ZONING THAT WE HAVE.
UM, RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF IS FOR APPROVAL FOR THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO THE B2 BUSINESS GENERAL CLASSIFICATION AND M3 CLASSIFICATION, UM, GIVEN THAT, UH, THESE, THIS AREA WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WITHIN THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA, AND THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, B2 BUSINESS GENERAL, AND M3, UH, CONFORM TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THIS GENERAL AREA,
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AS SET FORTH IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA AND THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING.
BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE GRANT YET AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE JUST APPLYING FOR IT, RIGHT? SO - THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT? I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO LET IT.
LET IT JUST GO TO LET MS. INGRAM ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO IF, IF THE COUNTY DOES NOT RECEIVE THE GRANT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ZONING WOULD BE M3, B2 IF THAT'S INDEED VOTED ON.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF THE REASONING FOR THE M3 DISTRICT TO SEVERELY REDI - REDUCE THE USES TO EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE ON THAT SITE.
AND, AND MOST SPECIFICALLY PULLING OUT THAT WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION USE, UM, IN, IN THAT AREA THAT WE WERE REALLY TARGETING, YOU KNOW, HIGHER, UM, PAYING JOBS AND, UM, JUST, JUST DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES TO DIVERSIFY OUR TAXPAYERS.
LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE BECAUSE I, THAT, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THAT PART, BUT, UM, THE COUNTY IS WAITING ON THE GRANT TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY? YES.
OR ARE WE GOING AHEAD AND PLANNING ON PUR- PURCHASING IT AND HOPING WE GET THE GRANT? NO.
IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, THEN WE WOULD NOT PROBABLY PROCEED WITH PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY.
I, I THINK YOUR ANSWER IS, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS IF THE GRANT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, THEN YOU COULD EITHER LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, M3, OR POSSIBLY REZONE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GRANT, I GUESS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THE, UM, I GUESS THE GRANT ALLOWS RESALE.
IS THAT LIKE AT MARKET VALUE OR WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I'M, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.
AS FAR AS RESALE TO A DEVELOPER? YES.
WELL, TO, UH, BECAUSE Y'ALL, YOU'RE USING THE GRANT TO FIX UP THE LAND.
TO MAKE IT MORE DUE DILIGENCE AND - YEAH.
SO AFTER THAT IS DONE AND YOU SELL IT TO THE, WHOEVER'S GOING TO DECIDE TO BUILD THERE, I GUESS, ARE THERE RULES ABOUT THE SALE, I GUESS? NO.
SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION I FORGOT TO ASK LAST MONTH.
AND THAT IS, UM, WHO OWNS THE, UH, THE RA - THE RAILROAD, ABANDONED RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY THAT, THAT MY MEMORY IS THAT IT JOINS, IT'S THE CITY DENWOODY, THIS, THE DENWOODY AND PETERSBURG CITY LIMIT.
YOU CAN SEE THE BLACK LINE ON THERE WHERE THE CURVE OF THE RAILROAD WAS RUNNING FROM WHERE THERE USED TO BE A BRIDGE ON WASHINGTON STREET AND NOW IT'S JUST A, IT, IT GOT CONVERTED TO A GRADE CROSSING AND THEN THE BRIDGES WERE FILLED IN.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? I, I AM, BUT I'M, I'M NOT, UM, POSITIVE ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP.
THE, THE REASON I'M ASKING, THE REASON I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT IT, I WANNA KEEP THIS IDEA ALIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, WORKING WITH FOLAR, WE HAVE A, A TRAIL PLAN FROM LAKE CHESNE TO HOPEWELL, UM, VDOT'S PAYING FOR A HUMONGOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO FALL LINE TRAIL TO RICHMOND.
JUST ME PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TRAIL EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO PAMPLIN PARK AND THIS RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE A GOOD ALIGNMENT PRETTY MUCH TO GET YOU ALL THE WAY TO PAMPLIN PARK.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE IF, IF IT'S INCLUDE, IF, IF, IF ANY PART OF THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY IS INCLUDED IN WHAT'S TO PURCHASES, I'D LIKE TO SEE CONSIDERATION OF ENOUGH OF THAT WIDTH TO COVER A FUTURE TRAIL.
IF IT'S NOT COVERED, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'LL DEAL WITH IT AS WE CAN.
BUT I, IT'S SOME, IF IT'S STILL OWNED BY CSX, THEN I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOLD TO THE COMMONWEALTH AND VPRA.
AND I, I THINK THERE'S A MECHANISM.
I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S A MECHANISM WILL BE THERE TO MAYBE GET THAT FROM BPRA, BUT I DIDN'T, THE WAY THE, THE WAY YOUR MAP WAS SHOWN, IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME IF, IF, IF ANY OF THIS SITE COVERED THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY OR NOT.
I JUST WANTED TO PRESERVE THAT BECAUSE LIKE
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OVER AT VIRGINIA STATE, FOR INSTANCE, SOME OF THAT LAND GOT SOLD AND SO NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO HAVE A, A REALLY CRAZY ALIGNMENT TO GET OVER AND AROUND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN STRAIGHT THROUGH IF IT HAD NOT BEEN SOLD OFF.I'M JUST TRYING TO PREVENT THAT DOWN THE ROAD.
THAT, THAT'S MY PURPOSE IN BRINGING THAT UP.
YEAH, I THINK IF THE COUNTY CONTROLS THAT PROPERTY, I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY WORK THROUGH THAT WHEN THE, IF WE HAVE A PURCHASER.
THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT, JUST A PLAN FOR THAT.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE, UH, THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, TO THIS CASE TONIGHT? MR. ROBBINS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT.
I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE A LONG TIME, UM, THINKING ABOUT THIS.
I WANNA BE AN ADVOCATE FOR CENTRAL STATE HOSPITAL.
UM, THE HISTORY OF THE MENTAL HEALTH AND THE INSTITUTIONS THAT WE HAVE CREATED IN THIS COUNTRY TO, TO DEAL WITH IT, UH, IS AN INCOMPLETE STORY.
SPEAKING IN GENERAL TERMS ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH, IT'S A SORTED HISTORY OF DIFFERENT MEDICAL PHILOSOPHIES AND VARIOUSLY TESTED MECHANISMS AND INSTITUTIONS.
IN MY LIFETIME, I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPEN WITH CENTRAL STATE.
AT ONE TIME, IT WAS TREATED AS A VIABLE COMMUNITY, UM, SEPARATE FROM NORMAL SOCIETY WHERE PEOPLE COULD LIVE THEIR LIVES INDEPENDENTLY AND IN A GROUP THAT THEY COULD, UM, DEAL WITH.
THEY WERE, THEY FUNCTIONED AS HUMAN BEINGS.
THERE WERE DANCES, THEY HAD SPORTING EVENTS, THEY HAD SOFTBALL, THEY HAD MUSIC, LOUIS ARMSTRONG PLAYED THERE.
UM, THEY HAD FARMING, THEY WERE COMMON SPACES.
THEN THEY WENT INTO SERIES OF LOCKDOWNS, SEPARATION OF, UH, SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE HOSPITAL.
THEN IT CHANGED AGAIN A THIRD TIME, UM, WHERE THERE WAS A WHOLESALE RELEASE OF PEOPLE INTO SOCIETY.
AND THAT'S ENDED UP IN OUR COUNTRY, IN OUR STATE, IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH MENTAL HEALTH, HEALTH ISSUES PLAGUING US, UH, WITH HOMELESSNESS, DRUG USE, CRIME, AND SO FORTH.
AND NOW THEY HAVE A NEW APPROACH.
THEY'VE CONSOLIDATED THE HOSPITAL, THEY'VE SHRUNK THE FOOTPRINT, AND THEY'RE MIXING OR THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER BOTH THE CRIMINALLY INSANE AND THE PATHOLOGICALLY, UH, INSANE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA WORK.
IT'S A VERY CONDENSED HOSPITAL.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS MIGHT BE, BUT WITH CENTRAL STATE SPECIFICALLY, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE LAND WAS THE VISION OF GENERAL WILLIAM MAHOME, A PETERSBURG RESIDENT.
HE SAW THE NEED AFTER THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR, PARTICULARLY WITH THE FREED SLAVES.
THEY'VE BEEN, UH, IN SLAVERY AND IN BONDAGE FOR CENTURIES.
AND ONCE THEY WERE RELEASED, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY TRAINING, THEY DIDN'T HAVE JOBS.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
SO THIS WAS CREATED, HE HAD THE VISION TO GET 600 ACRES AND CREATE THIS, UH, SETTING.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST STANDALONE PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THE NATION.
UM, IT BECAME A STATE INSTITUTION IN THE 1870S AND OPERATED, UH, ALL THE WAY TILL NOW.
THERE'S OVER 900 STAFF PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE.
ADDITIONALLY, TO MAHONE'S CREDIT, HE'S THE ONE WHO PROCU- PROCURE- PROCURED THE LAND FOR VIRGINIA STATE UNIVERSITY.
SO HE SAW THE NEED TO, TO HELP EDUCATE AND TO TAKE CARE OF THE, THE FREE BLACKS, THE FREE SLAVES.
THE STATE-OF-THE-ART HOSPITAL THAT'S THERE NOW IS THE PRODUCT OF A PERSONAL TRAGEDY FOR CREE DEEDS.
HE HAD A SON THAT WAS MENTALLY, UH, CHALLENGED.
THE SON TRIED TO KILL HIS FATHER, WHO'S IN HOUSE OF DELEGATES, I BELIEVE, AND ENDED UP KILLING HIMSELF, ALL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BED FOR HIM.
THIS MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT IS TAKING UP A WHOLE LOT LESS LAND AT CENTRAL STATE.
IT WAS A 600 ACRE, NOW IT'S GONNA BE REDUCED TO...
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WRAP IT UP.I, I, PERSONALLY, I LIKE A LOT OF THINGS YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE DO HAVE TO, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, LET'S WRAP IT UP.
UH, THE STATE HAS DETERMINED THAT, UH, IT'S SURPLUS LAND NOW.
SO DENWOODY IS LOOKING TO PROMPT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH IT, BUT TO, TO ACHIEVE THIS, THEY'VE GOTTA JUMP THROUGH A BUNCH OF HURDLES.
ONE THING IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A CEMETERY THERE THAT'S WITHIN THAT SHADED AREA THAT'S, UM, HAS FIVE TO 10,000 DEAD PEOPLE IN IT THAT WERE PATIENTS THERE.
SO THAT'S GOTTA BE CARVED OUT OF IT.
THE, THEY'VE GOTTA DEMOLISH A VAST AMOUNT OF BUILDINGS.
A LOT OF THAT IS VERY GOOD BUILDINGS THAT STILL COULD BE REUSED.
SOME OF THEM ARE HISTORIC, AND THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S, UH, 140 YEARS OLD TO THE PRESENT.
THERE'S, THERE'S STEAM TUNNELS, THERE'S, UH, PIPING, THERE'S POWER GENERATION.
THE ROAD NETWORK WILL BE OBSOLETE BECAUSE IT'S INSTITUTIONAL ROADS, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO RE - BE READILY USED FOR THE PURPOSES THAT ARE, THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ALSO, THE, THE NEW EXIT OFF 85 THAT THEY'RE CONTEMPLATING WON'T BE ABLE TO BE DONE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA FIT THE, THE NEW USAGES OF THE BUILDING.
UM, ALSO IN THE NEW ORDINANCE, IT SAYS THAT IT, THAT ONE THING IT CAN'T BE, AND I, I DON'T WANNA PULL IT OUT HERE, BUT YOU CANNOT GO BACK TO HAVING IT AS A MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITAL.
SO IF THEY GET RID OF THIS LAND AND THEY SHRINK IT AND THERE'S NEW NEEDS FOR MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND START ALL OVER.
UH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE VISION THAT WAS DONE 150, 160 YEARS AGO WAS RIGHT ON TARGET.
UM, SO I THINK W - UH, MAHONE HAD A GOOD IDEA.
WE'RE GETTING RID OF SOME SPACE THAT WE'VE DEDICATED TO MENTAL HEALTH AND I, YOU KNOW, M3 COULD BE IN OTHER PLACES, BUT I THINK THE M - THE HOSPITAL NEEDS TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE ROOM.
ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK ONE THING RELATED TO THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S ONE STATE AGENCY OWNS IT NOW AND THE GRANT WOULD COME FROM YET ANOTHER STATE AGENCY, BUT NO ONE THAT THE STATE, THE, THE, THE STATE AGENCY THAT OWNS IT, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THEY HAD AN OPINION THAT THEY SHARED WITH YOU, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT THE APPLICANT, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THEY HAD A, IF THEY HAD ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON IT.
THE, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH I- IS TECHNICALLY THE OWNER, THE DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES OVERSEES - UH-HUH.
FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH.
UM, DOES THAT KINDA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WELL, NO, I, I, I, YEAH, I KNEW THE, I KNEW THE ANSWER TO WHO OWNED IT, BUT I, I'M CURIOUS IF YOU JUST HAD ANY COMMENTS FROM THEM.
UM, ALL, THEY HAD TO BE CONTACTED BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES FORMALLY SURPLUSES PROPERTY, AND ACTUALLY BEFORE PROPERTY IN THE COMMONWEALTH IS SURPLUS, IT GOES OUT TO ALL STATE AGENCIES TO ENSURE THERE'S NOBODY WITH A NEED FOR PROPERTY OR A BUILDING.
AND WITH THE, UM, WITH THE NEW HOSPITAL SITE, THEY ARE RETAINING A LITTLE OVER 170 ACRES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THE UNMARKED GRAVE SITE THAT IS ON THE, UM, EAST SIDE OF 7TH AVENUE, KINDA DOWN IN THAT SQUARE AT THE BOTTOM, THEY ARE RETAINING OWNERSHIP OF THAT HISTORIC SITE.
UH, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, MOTIONS? I MEAN, I, I DON'T LIKE REZONING STUFF THAT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, OURS OR THE APPLICANT'S, UM, BUT I KNOW THERE IS A PURPOSE WITH THIS.
I, I WOULD OFFER THAT I THINK THE ASSURANCES THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED IN THE, UH, THE PREVIOUS CASE HOPEFULLY ALLAY SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
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I DON'T KNOW THAT I LIKE THIS.SO, BUT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE JUST A RECOMMENDING BOARD THAT THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IN THE END AT THE BOARD, SO, UH - VOTE YOUR CONSCIOUS.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU DO? DO YOU PUT SOMETHING AT THE END THAT SAYS, "HEY, IF THE FIRST DOESN'T HAPPEN, THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN EITHER," OR HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THAT? I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA DO IT WHETHER THEY, WHATEVER WE DO.
I MEAN, THEY CONVINCE THEM NOT TO PUT THE CUP IN THERE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT THE CUP IN IT, THEY'LL JUST PASS IT AS IS ANYWAY.
WELL, AS YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS OR SO, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS COME UP.
NO, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS STUFF HAS BEEN LIKE THIS.
UH, SO I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THE MOTION.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PLAYING IT LIKE IN HOCKEY, I GUESS WE'RE PLAYING ON THE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, THE, UH, THE DOWN TWO GUYS ON, ON THE TEAM HERE.
SO THAT ONLY LEAVES THREE MORE PEOPLE TO MAKE A, TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IF THERE IS SOMETHING WE CAN PUT ON, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE RECOMMENDING BOARD AND WHETHER THAT, UM, IS CONSIDERED, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, ARE THERE ANY PHRASES Y'ALL CAN THINK OF THAT WOULD...
LIKE I SAID, I, IT'S COME UP BEFORE IN CASES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, E- E- EVEN MORE FURTHER ALONG PERHAPS PLANNED AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'D REALLY, YOU JUST KINDA HAVE TO GO ALONG OR EITHER MAKE A STATEMENT OTHERWISE.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S A, A VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE KIND OF THING.
UM, HONESTLY, I WISH WE HAD ALL OF SEVEN HERE FOR THAT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
WELL, I'LL THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UH, BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 - 2286A7, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WE- WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT REZONING P-26-7 BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MR. TITMUS? I'M GONNA SAY DISAPPROVAL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE DEFINITION.
WOULD THAT BE A NO, MR. TITMUS? THAT WOULD BE A NO.
P-26-7 HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A FOUR TO ONE VOTE.
SO MOVING ALONG TO NUMBER 10, ANY COMMISSIONER OR STAFF HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR.
NO, THERE'S NO NEW BUSINESS THIS EVENING.
COMMISSIONERS, COMMENTS? WE DON'T
[9. OLD BUSINESS]
HAVE OLD BUSINESS? YEAH.I, I HAD, I, SOMEHOW I HAD THAT IN MY MIND AS BEING PART OF THE CASE, BUT I'M WRONG.
SO OLD BUSINESS AND THAT, UH, YOU HAVE A, A STATEMENT ON THAT, MR. BASSETT? I'M SORRY.
THIS IS THE, UH, REZONING IN THE, UH, WEST PETERSBURG AREA THAT, UH, WE HEARD AT THE, YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING.
AND AGAIN, UH, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE, UH, SEVERAL PARCELS, UH, IN, AGAIN, THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD ON SURREY AVENUE, UH, AND BOYNTON PLANK ROAD.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONE B2, BUSINESS GENERAL, AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S ACROSS, UH, SURREY AVENUE FROM THE MCDONALD'S, UH, LOCATION
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THERE.AND, UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE TO THE RESIDENTIAL URBAN RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
UH, AGAIN, WE, UH, HEARD THE CASE, UH, FOR THE REZONING OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BASED ON THAT THE RU, UH, ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND SURROUNDING LAND USES.
ADDITIONALLY, THE RU ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING LOTS WITHIN THE URBAN AREA, INCLUDING THE WEST PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE REQUESTED ZONING CLASSIFICATION RESIDENTIAL URBAN CONFIRM FORMS TO THE UNDERLYING USES RECOMMENDED FOR THIS GENERAL AREA AS SET FORTH IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE COMPREHEN- COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
UM, AGAIN, THAT DID, UH, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THE RU ZONING CLASSIFICATION WAS CREATED TO ALLOW FOR, UH, INDIVIDUALS WHO OWNED TWO OR MORE LOTS TO COMBINE TWO LOTS INTO A BUILDABLE LOT, UH, SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COULD BE, UH, THAT YOU COULD HAVE INFILL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS REDEVELOPMENT, UH, WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND AGAIN, UH, WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AT YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING.
YOU ALL HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING, OPEN AND CLOSED THAT, UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S LISTED UNDER OLD BUSINESS.
DID THE REPRESENTATIVE COME THIS TIME? YES.
THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING.
AND MAYBE, MAYBE I'M GETTING CAUGHT UP HERE, BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT NOW.
SO DO WE, WE, WELL, WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE DO - YES, WE DO.
WE DO NOT NEED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING AT AT THIS POINT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE CASE AND FOR US TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND I APOLOGIZE FOR SKIPPING RIGHT OVER IT.
UM, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW THOUGH, WITH THAT B2, COULD YOU BUILD TWO BUILDINGS ON THERE AS IT IS? 'CAUSE WHAT THEY'RE - UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, NOT, NOT RESIDENTIAL.
SO YOU COULD DO TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THERE AS - UM, YOU WOULD...
NOT SURE IF YOU COULD BUILD TWO.
IT DEPENDS WHAT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE AND HOW MUCH PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED RELATED TO THAT USE.
UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE STUDIED TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF USE COULD FIT IN THAT, IN THAT AREA THERE AND MAKE IT WORK.
I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION WE HAD WAS WITH THE APPLICANT.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARK OR WE'LL, WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK AND IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING TO ADD AND THEN WE CAN ASK OUR QUESTIONS.
MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT SOMEONE DID COME, UM, AND SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS ALREADY OPEN AND CLOSED.
I, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE DID HOLD THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING US FROM HAVING ANOTHER ONE THOUGH, IS IT? HMM.
OR NOT? I MEAN, IF SOMEONE'S HERE TO SPEAK, I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO SPEAK, I GUESS IS MY POINT.
IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
BUT THE APPLICANT GETS A FIRST SHOT AT IT, SO GO, GO AHEAD, SIR, AND NAME AND ADDRESS AND, UH - GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME'S THERETHA ROSSI, 10837 CHERRY HILL DRIVE, LANON, VIRGINIA, 23059.
UM, I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, THE APPLICANT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, SHE HAD MISSED THE LAST MEETING.
SHE HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, AND SO SHE WAS JUST ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND THEN, UH, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT HER FOR THIS ONE, SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS POINT? SO THE, I GUESS THE MAIN THING WITH THIS PROPERTY, UM, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO DO, LIKE, A BUSINESS USE WITH IT BEING ON BOYNTON PLANK ROAD.
UM, BUT THE MAIN STRUGGLE WITH THIS PIECE IS, IT'S JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU TO REALLY GET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AND BE ABLE TO FIT A NICE SIZE BUILDING IN THERE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED MAYBE GOING WITH THE RU AND BUILDING SOME HOUSES SIMILAR TO THE OTHER STREETS THAT ARE TOUCHING BOYNTON PLANK WOULD, WOULD MAKE SENSE.
I, I GUESS OUR QUESTION THE LAST TIME WAS THERE IS SOME SIZE RESTRICTIONS
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BECAUSE OF THAT ANGLED LOT - SURE.AND ALL THAT'S UP NEXT TO THE ROAD THAT YOU COULDN'T PUT THREE HOUSES THERE - YES.
BUT YOU CAN PUT TWO HOUSES THERE.
AND I GUESS OUR, OUR ASK WAS, HOW WERE YOU GONNA SPLIT IT UP FOR THE TWO HOUSES? WERE YOU GONNA MAKE IT THREE, THE THREE LOTS TO THE LEFT AND THEN THE REST TO THE FRONT, OR WERE YOU GONNA DO ONE HOUSE ON THE TWO LOTS AND THEN ONE ON ALL THE REST OF THEM? I THINK WE WOULD GO WITH THE THREE AND THREE PRETTY MUCH.
WELL, TO CLARIFY, IT'D BE THREE AND FOUR, THE FOURTH BEING THE FINAL - YEAH, THREE AND FOUR, I GUESS WITH LIKE THE HALF LOT, YEAH.
ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.
ALL RIGHT, SO, UH, SINCE WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, I'D LIKE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR P-26-6.
AND MR. GIRLEY, IS THERE SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK? MS. JONES? UM, I WAS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF WEEKLY ROAD, SO - OH, SORRY.
YEAH, SO, YEAH, WE'VE, UH, THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
THERE WAS, WE'RE, WE'RE, TONIGHT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, UM, SAY SO IN ANY OF THAT.
IT'S JUST AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT THAT, THAT IT SH - THE PLAT WAS SHARED WITH US.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TALK TO STAFF ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE BECAUSE THERE, THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
'CAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD - RIGHT.
STUDY BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRACTOR TRAILERS AND THE P - BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLAT? YES.
YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ANYWAY AT THIS POINT, SO IT'S REALLY, I, I, I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY JUST A NEGOTIATION AT THIS POINT AND Y'ALL CAN HELP WITH THAT, RIGHT? YES.
IT, IT FRUSTRATES ME SOME TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE P - REVIEWS BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE NEED, WE CAN DO.
SO I DID OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UH, P-26-6, WHICH IS THE CASE, UH, AT SURREY AND, UH, BOYD AND PLANK ROAD.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO S, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, UM, I THINK WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS NOW, RIGHT? NO, WE ASKED.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY MORE.
SO - I, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
UM, WELL, HE'S TOO QUICK FOR ME
UM, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE FOUR LOTS TOUCHING BOYD AND PLANK ROAD, YOUR DRIVEWAY'S GONNA COME ON SURREY AVENUE, CORRECT? OKAY.
I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY POTENTIAL WITH, UM, EXPANDING ROUTE ONE.
WHAT, WHAT DID WE, WHAT CAME OF THAT CONVERSATION? IT WAS GONNA BE ALL ON THE OTHER SIDE - OTHER SIDE, OKAY.
WELL, AND DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD WHAT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN IT? IT'S PROBABLY 90 TO 120 FEET, I'M GUESSING.
IT TYPICALLY, ALONG ROUTE ONE, IT'S 80, BUT IN THERE, I THINK WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ON THE CENTRAL STATE PROPERTY.
THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WENT TO, LET'S SAY YOU WENT TO SIX LANES, SIX LANES WOULD BE LESS THAN 90 FEET.
SO I, I DO THINK TO THE POINT OF LOOKING AT, UM, ANYTHING LIKE WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE RAMP, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WITH THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT BILL, THERE'S A BILLBOARD THERE.
IS IT ON THIS PROPERTY? I COULDN'T REALLY, IT'S NOT? NO, IT'S NOT ON THIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, NO.
SO YEAH, COME, I'M GLAD TO KIND OF GET RECOLLECTED ON ALL THIS, SO I GUESS WE DO NEED TO HAVE A, A MOTION.
BE IT RESOLVED IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 - 2286A7, IT IS STATED THAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS INITIATED IS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT REZONING P-26-6, AS PRESENTED, BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
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HAYES.FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING OUT, P-26-6 HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I JUMPED THE GUN EARLIER, BUT APPARENTLY THERE WERE NO, UH, NEW BUSINESS.
IS THAT STILL TRUE? NO NEW BUSINESS? THAT'S CORRECT, MR. CHAIR.
[11. COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS ]
COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS? UH, WELL, I'LL...I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION BECAUSE I GOT AN EMAIL ABOUT IT AND I DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
UM, AND I HATE TO USE THE WORD DATA CENTER, BUT I DID GET A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, WHICH MAYBE EVERYBODY GOT IT.
THE LAWS CHANGING, UM, THE STATE PUTTING OUT, UM, THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
UM, DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING WITH OUR CASE? NO, IT REALLY DOESN'T WITH THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ASKED FOR, UH, AS PART OF THE APPLICATION.
AND, UM, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT NOW, WE'RE STILL WORKING, UH, THROUGH THAT WITH THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT THEIR APP- APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.
AND, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THE NOISE STUDY PORTION.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REIMBURSING THE COUNTY FOR REVIEW OF THEIR NOISE STUDY THAT THEY HAVE INCLUDED IN THEIR APPLICATION, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT.
AND THEY'RE CONTINUING, UH, THEIR ENGINEER, UH, IS WORKING WITH THE DINWIDDIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY ON THE WATER UTILITY AND SANITARY SEWER UTILITIES ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD, UM, SERVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO, UH, STILL WORKING, UH, THROUGH THE APPLICANT WITH THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND A COUPLE OTHER MINOR ISSUES, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT, UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON TO ENSURE THAT THEIR APPLICATION'S COMPLETE, UH, FOR, FOR REVIEW BY, UH, PLANNING STAFF AS WELL AS ALL THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
WE, UM, THEY CAME AND PRESENTED AGAIN TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AT OUR, UM, LAST, OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING.
UM, THEY'VE, UH, I THINK EVERYONE'S AWARE THEY'VE REVISED THEIR, UH, CONCEPT PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION AGAIN.
AND, UM, ALL THE, UM, BATTLEFIELD PROPERTY THERE, THE CORE BATTLEFIELD, UM, THEY'RE SHOWING THAT IS NOT PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, IN THEIR LATEST ITERATION OF THEIR CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE SITE.
AND THEY CONTINUE TO WORK, UH, WITH THE, UH, UH, BATTLEFIELDS ON, ON THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND CONTINUING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THAT, HOW THEY COULD CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THAT AREA'S, UH, PRESERVED AS, AS PART OF THAT PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S STILL SEVERAL ITEMS, UM, THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THEIR APPLICATION'S COMPLETE FOR REVIEW AGAIN BY ALL THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AGENCIES.
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT SOMETHING ELSE.
DID ANYBODY ELSE GET A LETTER FROM THE APPLICANT WANTING TO TALK? I DID NOT.
AND I GUESS I'M APPREHENSIVE TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO THEM AT THIS TIME JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT - WAS THE NAME? IS ANYTHING?.
AND - I GET THOUSANDS OF EMAILS EVERY DAY.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.
TALK TO THEM, DON'T TALK TO THEM, TELL THEM YOU CAN'T TALK TO THEM, WHAT DO YOU WANT? I MEAN, I, I HAVE IN THE PAST, LIKE FOR SOME OF THESE SOLAR THINGS AND ALL, HAD TALKED WITH THEM AND TALKED ABOUT, BUT THAT WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THIS IS A WHOLE NEW AREA OF SOMETHING HAPPENING IN DENWITTY, POSSIBLY HAPPENING IN DENWOODY COUNTY.
ALL THE ITEMS RELATED TO THEIR CURRENT APPLICATION ARE ONLINE, SO YOU CERTAINLY CAN REVIEW THOSE, BUT - I THOUGHT ABOUT GOING TO THE MEETING AT VIRGINIA STATE AND I SAID, "YOU KNOW, THEY AIN'T GONNA TELL YOU ANYTHING THERE.
THEY JUST GO, IT'S GONNA BE A BUNCH OF DOUBLE TALK AND WE'LL DO THIS, WE'LL BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH." SO I DIDN'T GO BECAUSE - I THINK IT'S UP TO HOW YOU FEEL.
IF YOU WANNA TALK TO HIM, YOU CAN.
IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
WELL, I MEAN, UNTIL I GET REAL PAPERWORK -
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RIGHT.I DON'T WANNA TALK TO ANYBODY.
I MEAN, TILL I KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL SAY THIS, THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE ABOUT, UH, UM, CENTRAL STATE AND, UH, WILLIAM MAHONE REALLY TOUCHED ME.
I, UM, I'M A FAN OF WILLIAM MAHONE.
HE WENT, HE WAS A FAMOUS VMI GRADUATE, UH, LONG BEFORE I WENT TO VMI.
BUT, UH, I'VE STUDIED HIM FOR A LONG TIME AND, YOU KNOW, HE, A LOT, A LOT OF OUR RAILROAD HISTORY IN THIS, IN THIS AREA OF HIM STEMS FROM HIM.
AND I ONCE KNEW A RAILROAD EXECUTIVE WHO, UH, ACTUALLY KNEW HIM AND CALLED HIM UNCLE BILLY.
AND SO THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I, I'VE READ, READ OR HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT UNCLE BILLY THIS WEEK.
BUT IN PARTICULAR TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, I, IT, WE'RE A LAND USE BODY HERE, RIGHT? BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF MENTAL HEALTH REALLY CONCERNS ME AND I WISH IT WAS SOMETHING WE WOULD...
THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE OUT TODAY THAT USED TO BE THERE AND IT'S CREATED A PROBLEM FOR OUR SOCIETY AND I, I REALLY WISH THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD DO SOMETHING, BUT IT'S REALLY, I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEYOND WHAT OUR, WE DO HERE.
BUT IT REALLY TOUCHED ME AND I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I WISH WE COULD DO MORE.
SO JUST KIND OF LEAVE IT AT THAT.
AND I KNEW, I KNOW CRAIG DEEDS.
I'VE WORKED WITH CRAIG DEEDS THAT HIS SON TRIED TO KILL HIM ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO.
I REMEMBER THAT DAY VERY CLEARLY, SO VERY IMPORTANT.
[12. PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS]
RIGHT.WHAT YOU GOT FOR NEXT MONTH? UH, ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR, IS, UM, REMINDER.
UM, WE DO HAVE A, A SCHEDULED MEETING, UH, FOR NEXT MONTH, UH, AND WE HAD TO MOVE IT TO THE 15TH ON THURSDAY.
YEAH, THE 12TH, YOU MEAN? YEAH.
UM, SO THAT MEETING IS ON THURSDAY.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY AGENDA ITEMS FOR THAT MEETING AT THIS TIME.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND OTHER MEMBERS ABOUT POSSIBLE AGENDA ITEMS FOR THAT MEETING THAT - SO YOU DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE A MEETING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? UM, WE CAN.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE CHAIR AND THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT, UM - WELL, YOU GOTTA HAVE A TWO WEEK NOTICE, RIGHT, FOR ANYTHING? UH, NOT, UH, FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS, YES.
BUT FOR NO OTHER, FOR OTHER ITEMS? FOR OTHER ITEMS, WE DO HAVE TO, FIVE DAYS PRIOR, WE DO HAVE TO POST, UM - SO I WOULD SUGGEST...
THAT WE ARE HAVING THE MEETING.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON.
Y'ALL KINDA JUST TOUCHED ON THAT.
JUST GET, GET WITH US AND LET US KNOW, BUT I'LL, I'LL TALK TO YOU, UH, TWO WEEKS LATER.
YEAH, SO WE CAN, WE CAN PLAN AN AGENDA AND IF WE WANNA, AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, MADE IT KIND OF LIKE A WORKSHOP VERSUS A REGULAR MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT.
SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING NOW TO SHARE OR MAYBE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, JUST LET, LET US KNOW.
A LOT CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THE 12TH, SO YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.